Cobra Kai made a HUGE mistake! 🥋
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- The real Miyagi Do karate style is NOT what you think! In season 2, Cobra Kai revealed a photo of Miyagi Chojun (the founder of Goju Ryu). It also appears in Season 3 trailer.
But when I cross-compared the actual Karate movements demonstrated in both Cobra Kai and the old Karate Kid movies, there is only ONE karate style that makes sense. It came from White Crane Kung Fu in China to Okinawa - the birthplace of Karate - and made its way to Hollywood.
Enjoy this Cobra Kai "conspiracy theory"!
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What do you think about Cobra Kai? 🐍
I like cobra kai because the original karate kids are my favourite movies, btw I love your channel. Keep up the good work
The old movies rock! 😎 Thanks
I enjoyed the series. That ending was excellent! Waiting for more.
COBRA KAI NEVER DIES!!!
Cobra Kai resparked my interest in Karate and other marital arts which lead me to your channel.
This nerdy level of detail is what I am here for.
Facts!! 😂
me too bro
So good
Yo también! Ejejejejeejjje
Same! I’m here for it!
You know, this could make it necessary to have a prequel focusing on Mr. Miyagi when he was a young man.
Great series. I watched it when it came out on TH-cam red. Patiently waiting for season 3 to drop. I also like how they're using the origional cast
Thanks for the inputs. Enjoyed listening to the stories.
cobra kai is great entertainment. the competition at the end of season 1 was quite anti-climactic for me though. i get that the actors are very young and not really fighters, but the fight scenes in the season 1 ender looked super slo-mo.
season 2 ender was much better. the actors seem to be able to keep up with the stunts and actions.
You do a very good job on all of your videos your research is on point I'm not a big karate person but you have made me more interested in the systems
That should have just been a picture of Mr miyagi's father
Absolutely love learning the history of all martial arts. Thank you Jesse for the lesson.
Jesse needs to be in Cobra Kai
Oh, that was a nice historical background info ... But its a pity, that it seems, that most of the heros have no clue about what they are doing... I mean, they do movements resembling Karate, but their body mechanics looks somehow wrong ... The "Antiheros" are slightly better sometimes ... I mean the plot is very nice, but a little bit better karate would be nicer ... ;-)
In Karate Kid 2 mr. Miyagi said he learned from his father.
That was the style he show to Larusso
Bigger mistake: they're all black belts within one year, tops.
Yes it is....only happens in hollywood
@@kraevski maybe but they're not on the show
@@lakshen47 daniel san got his blackbelt only with 3 weeks karate trainning.....like luke skywalker with yoda...a jedi only with two lesson
in s2 of cobra kai miguel wears a white belt, they're just given black belts for the tournaments
@@that_cat21 Johnny takes Miguel and Hawk's black belts away because of how violent they were. They didn't show honour so they had to start at white belts again. So no, they are not given black belts for the tournament.
Petition for a Jesse Enkamp cameo in cobra kai season 4
Like to agree!
Haha that would be sweet! 😜
Yes!
YES
*season 5. Season 4 was allegedly finished months ago. And season 3 was finished last year.
Lets get a petition for that,i would like to see Jesse in a episode of Cobra kai
I believe the photo of Miyagi Chojun was included as a nod to the origins of Karate Kid.
The screen writer stated that Mr. Miyagi was named after Chojun Miyagi, so it was not a mistake, but a nod to the actual influences of the Karate Kid character, Mr. Miyagi.
I was about to say the same thing
So you're saying they should have named the character Mr. Mabuni? 😅
Not only that, but Mr. Miyagi clearly states, numerous times, in fact, that he learned his Karate from his father, or in his words: "Father Teach."
I was watching Cobra Kai and at that point I was like "Wow, it's actually a Chōjun Miyagi photo!".... Then I asked myself "How I ended up knowing this nerdy stuff???... Damn, it's Jesse Sensei!!!!"
Haha oops! Sounds like you’re really becoming a Karate Nerd 🤓
@@KARATEbyJesse
Very true reaction for those familar with the history of Kara-Te. I said the same exact thing!
@@Ken_Jones thank you :-)
Damn... I wish I knew so much about Karate 😑 Great video as always Jesse! Such awesome knowledge, attention to detail and entertaining presentation!
Haha you’re too kind Rokas. 🙏 Keep doing your thing! 👊🔥
Ikr
I think it makes sense that the Goju Ryu taught to Daniel by Mr. Miyagi isn't the standardized form of Goju Ryu we know. Remember that in the movie Mr. Miyagi father was around during a time were the practitioners didn't formally establish the styles and also sometimes they got together and exchanged different techniques. Some lost in time some, some carried over but passed down to individual people but not formally incorporated. Just hunch.
It wasn’t gojuryu, it’s Shitoryu
@@bengray5013 It was neither, it was Miyagi-do. And I always thought of Chojun Miyagi as Mr. Miyagi's uncle, or would that make Chojun Miyagi too old?
Also in the Karate Kid 2 when they were in Okinawa Chozen's Karate Gi had a Goju Kai Fist patch on the back (Gogen "The Cat" Yamaguchi) Goju Ryu Style
"Best karate still inside you" - Mr. Miyagi.
Mr Miyagi definitely added stuff to his own style in addition to what his father taught him.
The role of Mr. Miyagi was inspired by Meitoku Yagi. Rob Kamen, who wrote the original Karate Kid movie, studied under him at one point. Rob's brother, Roy, recieved his black belt from Seikichi Toguchi. It was all based upon goju ryu, but at the end of the day, they are writing for the screen, and it's got to be entertaining.
Thank you for the information. It all makes sense, being Seikichi Toguchi Sensei is from the Goju Ryu system. I agree it has to be entertaining also.
Maybe, as you said, parents find different senseis for their kids. Maybe Mr Myagi’s sensei really was Mabuni Kenwa, and Myagi Chojun is on the wall nor for being Mr Myagi’s sensei, but for being his father? Or, in the original movie Mr Myagi says that his father taught him his karate. So maybe Myagi Chojun was Mr Myagi’s official sensei, but really Mr Myagi teaches the karate that his father, Mabuni Kenwa, taught him. Or maybe they just made mistakes due to not researching things as deep as they should. 🤷🏻♂️
Yes! Both are possible 👍
It's also possible that their lineage started with the Miyagi family Goju, then at the second generation more Shito ryu or even other styles like Shotokan or Kobudo were added in Mr. Miyagi's own training, with Daniel-San making more refinements and additions of his own at the third generation, perhaps with more Chojin Miyagi emphasis.
perhaps if we buy into the conspiracy and the facts laid out for us... it is entirely possible that MR. Miyagi actually took lessons from both his sensei and his father. perhaps differences were blurred for the sake of MR. Miyagi being an unofficial master teaching in the US, a foreign soil.. therefore lineage was no longer necessary, only heritage was
as far as real world examples go.. the history of brazilian jiujitsu, judo, and traditional jiujitsu somehow reminded me of such phenomenon
@@petermcnallt12pm Or its because Fumio Demura brought his Shito-Ryu teachings on the set of the movie while being the stunt double for Pat Morita, possibly trading choreography ideas with Tang Soo Do teacher Pat E Johnson, did the choreography for the movie (and played the Referee) and Robert Mark Kamen the writer for the movie, put his two cents in as well since he studied Goju-Ryu from his teacher who studied directly under Chojun Miyagi, and the whole plot of Daniel being bullied, studying under a Japanese Karate master that barely spoke English, and a Karate instructor who was also part of his life that was not a good moral teacher (which represents John Kreese) was actually a retelling of his own life experiences.
I think they did it because of his name. It makes it sound like a descendant of Mr. Miyagi
At least they're not calling the study of TKD "the karate kid" (Jackie Chan)
@Welfor Ramon blame that on Will Smith.
Though when the movie was released in China it was called "Kung-Fu Dream"
that was kung-Fu not TKD. TKD is Korean.
Technically they could still tie in "Kung-Fu Dream" (the Chinese name for that movie) in with Cobra Kai /Karate Kid lore by saying what Jackie Chan was teaching Will Smith's son was Fujian White Crane Kung Fu, which historically , is one of the two main Kung Fu styles that influenced the creation of Karate in Okinawa as the Chinese had sent practitioners of that style (and Northern Wudang style Xing Yi Quan) to teach residents of Okinawa since they had friendly business trade agreements, particularly in the fishing trade, and Jackie's character is a descendent of the teacher that taught Chojun Miyagi's teacher in Okinawa.
@@budgiecat2885there’s a new Karate Kid movie in the works starring Ralph Macchio and Jackie Chan so we’ll see what happens.
The funny thing is that they initially wanted Fumio Demura to play Mr. Miyagi in the original film, even having him read for the part, but he didn't feel comfortable trying to act. This led the studio to first audition Toshiro Mifune for the part, but they thought his performance made the character too serious, so then they auditioned Pat Morita, who based his performance on Demura's mannerisms, with Demura staying on as a consultant and Morita's stunt double.
The same badass Toshiro Mifune from Yojimbo?
The very same.
Hi Sensei! Great video! I too am a HUGE Karate Kid fan and I've done a few episodes analyzing the movies and the show, recently I did an episode looking at the Katas, as well as working on an update to include the Kanku Dai you mentioned here as well as the Naihanchi Sam Dan in The Next Karate Kid.
I DO believe they intended Miyagi Do to be Goju Ryu, too many clues hint towards it. The screenwriter, Robert Mark Kamen, is a student of Goju Ryu and based his Miyagi partially on his instructor, and named him after Chojun Miyagi. Also, in the Karate Kid Part 2...Chozen wears the Goju patch on his gi, and Chozen is a student of Sato, who learned Karate along with Miyagi from Mr. Miyagi's Father.
Traditionally a father may not teach his sons, but Mr. Miyagi directly states that his father taught him.
Now I too questioned the Kanku kata being in Goju Ryu, and hear me out here and tell me if this theory makes sense.
Chojun Miyagi is from Naha...in the Karate Kid part 2, they make a point to have have Mr. Miyagi tell Daniel to find Naha on the map, and his village is next to it. Mr. Miyagi was born in 1925 (according to the headstone in Cobra Kai) but Goju Ryu officially founded in 1930. Since a lot of Karate in Okinawa is locally taught...would you agree that it's very possible that the Miyagi Family Karate was, as you suggested in this video and then when Chojun Miyagi (perhaps a fictional relative) developed his system of Gojy Ryu that Miyagi's Father would have adapted some of the teaching and passed that down to his son, Mr. Miyagi?
This way it would make sense that Miyagi Do is primarily Goju Ryu (based on the patch) but with a mix of other Okinawan Karate.
I'm curious to know what you think.
(You may have a copy of this in your spam folder, I had included a link to my Kata Video)
we need a crossover episode of this
@@OzekiTK yes, we definitely do
Hello!! In Karate Kid Part 2, Mr. Miyagi did the final part of the Shisochin kata, when Daniel came to the dojo and saw Mr. Miyagi,
I support what @art of one dojo says. Also when they visit the dojo in the city, Sato's nephew wears Goju Kai's fist logo (obviously we know that Goju Kai is the Japanese line that Master Gogen Yamaguchi continued after the death of sensei Chojun Miyagi), and when the storm broke that destroys the town, Sato's nephew wears his karategi and in his jacket he had the fist of the goju kai but the ideograms are not correct, says KARA TE. I am also struck by the design of the signboard of the Dojo de Sato, the shape it has is of positive and negative like the logo of the Goju Ryu IOGKF school, but it is fiction and as our friend @artofonedojo says that Robert Mark Kamen did Goju Ryu (I read that he practiced Goju Kai, maybe that's why I include the fist). Gretings.
Chojun Miyagi did teach his sons, son and grandson have adojo in Tokyo.
can I have a link to your Kata? oss !!
Wow, it’s almost like it’s not a documentary and more of a TV show.
This makes sense because the original choreographer of Karate Kid was Fumio Demura Sensei, and he's a Shito Ryu practitioner.
Exactly! He’s in the photos at the end 👍
That's odd because l thought they used a Tang Soo Do guy for the choreography in the first Karate Kid film. If I'm not mistaken the same guy they used played the the referee in the tournament scenes near the end.
The referee was choreographer, demura was a stunt double
True. My mistake. Wasn't he also some sort of inspiration for Miyagi? I watched the documentary some years ago.
Fumio Demura Sensei was not the choreographer of the original movies. he was Pat Morita's stunt double/stand in. The fight choreographer was Pat Johnson.
Hopefully netflix gets Jesse to make a cameo in cobra kai.
Daniel San does one Kata he should at least perfect it
Haha you can tell the actor doesn’t practice enough 🤪
Let's hope they will fix it in season 3
Exactly - in 30+ years he learned ONE kata. Also - he does a traditional Okinawan style...but with tornado and spin kicks?
He should learn from Johnny. You can tell he has kept his Karate training from season to season.
He doesn’t do it well
I learned seiunchin as a brown belt
WiseCrack just did a video on Hamilton, which applied the concept of Uncanny Valley to historical fiction. The closer you take your historical fiction to match reality, the more little details can break the immersion.
Would love to see a Bunkai breakdown of some of those Katas! 👀😂
SaveBlueEyes the first block in the Seiyunchin kata they show is literally like a parry or deflection into a grab. It is legit how I deflect jabs including angle change in MMA into a back take. Bunkai is meant to be hidden and for the martial artist to explore the various options once they are black belt and beyond.
I remember when my dad showed me the bunkai for Seiyunchin and right off the bat, first move is “you smash his face into the ground with both hands” and I was like damnnnn karate.
No chill 😂
bunkai are the best way to learn the offensive and defensive move in karate
If you watch "his" (Fumio Demura) documentary "The Real Miyagi", you can find your answer there.
Man your knowledge on karate is insane!
Imagine all the stuff I cut out because it was too nerdy 😜
@@KARATEbyJesse 😂😂✌
@@KARATEbyJesse Time for a special Director's Cut, then! 😁
Excellent assumptions! However, I was trained in a goju ryu dojo, and the sensei were teaching some of the shito ryu katas as well. When I asked about it his answer was for the competition purpose. So I guess maybe learning katas from other style could be a normal thing? Anyway, thanks for the interesting history sharing.
Firstly, I love Cobra Kai! I think we can learn about was learned and what was taught from Sato Sensei too, apparently said to have the same Master as Miyagi Sensei. One focused on offence and the other defence...
Also as we all do at some point, (for real karate anyway) we make a conscious decisions to work on elements of our style to enhance it for our own size, shape, flexibility and understanding.
As a result Daniel only learned one side of the art, the side in which Mr Miyagi thought best to teach... maybe in his younger years he would have been more aggressive in his approach...
Also Soto stayed in Okinawa, Miyagi left when he was a very young adult....
I have never in my life met a Black belt who was 18 and understood Karate! To me that’s a fantasy given to promote clubs ££££
Also a very good point Miyagi’s teacher his father kept only two rules in the family Dojo.
1. Karate for defence only
2. First learn rule number one.
Is that because his father had not taught him rule number two?
I believe series 3 will involve a time laps, one to show the recovery of Miguel and two to give Daniel time to learn what Miyagi did not after he left. Time for Daniel to learn rule number 2!!
Sensei Shakira BWK/Washinkai 🏴🥋😎🍻
Awesome! Let’s see what the future holds. I’m excited 😇
The two scrolls that are referred to as rule one and two, actually translates to 1.) Karate first move/punch) (空手無先手 -karate musente)
2.) First be of sound mind/heart.(先正其心) - sensei goshin or sensei sono kokoro.
So rule 1 and 2 being stated as karate for defense only, rule number 2 "see rule number 1" is just basically just a English transliteration of the two
"Fumio Demura (9th Dan black belt in Shito Ryu) was Pat Morita's martial arts stunt double in the first, third and fourth Karate Kid films. "
[Wikipedia]
He is also an expert in kobudo, so that explains the weaponry.
Pat Johnson, a 9th degree black belt in American Tang Soo Doo, was involved in the choreography of the movie.
Mr Miyagi said he was taught Karate by his father, but he doesn't say how much, perhaps he studied Gōjū-ryu under Chōjun Miyagi who is posibaly a relative and from his father learnt an older form on the side?
Great video, Jesse! This reminds me of how I sound when I discuss martial art theory with my class mates every Friday over a round of drinks, haha! The karate nerd in me loves the detail in this explanation, but the realist in me thinks Netflix may have not even given it near as much thought. If I'm being honest, do you think they just placed it up there based on "Oh, Daniel's teacher was Mr. Miyagi and oh look, turns out there is also a real Chōjun Miyagi? Let's just place that picture up to show the family lineage." I wouldn't be surprised if that was as much thought that went into it but that's why there are people like you and the Karate Nerd community to keep them in check!
The show is awesome. I'm glad it's bringing more attention back to traditional Martial Art's (Karate) and it's not another MMA-McDojo willing to train people with questionable intentions.
I wonder if Johnny goes to Okinawa in season 3 🤔 I can see him running away after the ending of season 2. Perhaps Daniel takes him there🤷🏻♂️
You could have mentioned Fumio Demura’s name. And BTW, Mabuni taught both his own sons, Kenei & Kenzo which later resulted in a disagreement as to who would lead Shitoryu after Kenwa Mabuni’s death.
Maybe its just a movie and they didnt really care. :D
That would be a shame because they clearly put a lot of care into the other details 👍
Or didn't really care *that* much ;-)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the reason Shito-ryu is used in the Karate Kid is because that was what Fumio Demura studied. Demura Sensei, who appeared in several of the movies, has been called the "real" Mr. Miyagi.
Am I the only one who wonders how the kids of Cobra Kai were able to get into the Tournament and all were Black Belts? Not one of them had trained even a year.
Yeah they did wind up fixing that in season 2 tho
For me, the most unrealistic part was when Lawrence was able to kick that high in the first fight after not training for 20+ years. I stopped for about 10 and lost all flexibility.
Some people are naturally flexible. My sister in law stopped doing any sports when she was about 14. In her late fourties she started taking yoga classes and her flexibility was far beyond many of the teens and twenty something ladies taking the same class, doing full splits to the front and to the sides.
They did acknowledge that in the show. After Lawrence does the high kick he gets a pain in his groin. I thought that was a very realistic reaction after all those years.
White crane kung fu also had a big influence on Tang Soo do. And that is what Cobra Kai teaches.
I'm a 2nd dan in TANGSOODO.
To quote MST3K:
If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show,
I should really just relax...
Haha! Excellent points. Season 3 is supposed to reveal one of Mr Miyagi's deep dark secrets. Maybe they'll write some of that in. Since Miyagi-do is supposed to be it's own thing, I always thought they should have put up a picture of Fumio Demura.
Tatsuo Shimabuki learned under multiple instructors, to include Miyagi Chojun, Motobu Choki, Kyan Chotoku, and others, when creating his own style of Isshinryu. I think it is just as likely that Mr. Miyagi learned from multiple instructors to create his own style of Miyagi-do, but Danial only put of the photo of the style’s namesake (or simple didn’t know all of the influences which came into making it). I think you make good points, and it’s an interesting video, but not necessarily the flub you portray it as. But it is a fictitious world, so in the end, what does it really matter. 😁
This was great Jesse! So well done and well researched!!! ☯️☯️☯️👊🏼🐲
Thanks sifu! 👍 Just my spontaneous reaction... Wait until I reveal my actual research 😂
I think it was just to accept that sensei Miyagi was inspired in Miyagi choyun
I understand that but remember Mr miyagi didn't show Daniel everything & I suppose Daniel has taken it upon himself to introduce new fighting styles his way like with the floating platform which I thought was one of the highlights of season 2
Jesse san, it's a movie! I'm sure the directos wanted to entertain not infuse history. The Karate Kid movie was one of the biggest hits back in the day. The producers catered to the American public not to Okinawan traditionalist, at least in my humble opinion
Actually, Robert Mark Kamen is the screenwriter for Karate Kid and “the film is a semi-autobiographical story based on Kamen's life. In 1964 when Kamen was 17, he was beaten up by a gang of bullies after the 1964 New York World's Fair. He thus began to study martial arts in order to defend himself. Kamen was unhappy with his first teacher who taught martial arts as a tool for violence and revenge. So he moved on to study Okinawan Gōjū-ryū Karate under a teacher who did not speak English but himself was a student of Chōjun Miyagi.”
The general American public has no idea who Miyagi Chojun or any other old masters are. It was definitely put there for karate practitioners.
There are many other mistakes. But overall great show. Closer to Karate then most entertainment.
When you get into the lineages of Okinawan Karate, you're getting into a quite dysfunctional family. Sorry for the linguistic imagery.......but it's true. Then when you include the Karate systems taken to Japan, and the changes made because of...well....bigotry.........it becomes 10 times worse. And that is an understatement! Thank you for researching these things, and placing videos here. I'm sure you're getting a lot of criticism from some "purists". Don't let it bother you. These people are those who are emotionally connected to their style.......much like an American Football fan is connected to their team. Logistics, facts, data, none of that matters more than the emotional connection to their team. But most of these people that I've spoken to, don't know their lineage past two or three instructors......and their word is "law". So shallow....so thank you again.
Bruh mr miyagis sensei was literally his father. If You watch back the second movie when he dies he says that to daniel
Sensei: what do you think about cobra kai .
Le me * who never watched it* : good question!🤔🤔🤔🤔
Watch! Some fight scenes are corny but it’s an awesome show
Other than that it's a really good show
Wow. This is taking the show wayyyyyy to seriously. It’s just tv.
There is a documentary called "the real Myiagui" about this Shito-ryu master.
I watched it on Netflix many years ago.
Ahora quiero un video de Johnny Lawrence y su Tang soo do!
Nice theory, but in part 2, Mr Miyagi explained that his father taught both himself and Sato
Wow it is informative Jesse thanks for sharing this info with us it will help new students to better understand the roots of Karate. I have watched both season of Cobra kai it is interesting show as well
Very good analysis! What's also intriguing is that if you keep in mind Mr. Miyagi's age, and the fact that the real-life Chojun Miyagi is an actual photographic portrait in Daniel's dojo, rather than a painted portrait like all the other Miyagi ancestors, it strongly suggests that the real-life Chojun Miyagi is actually Mr. Miyagi's father (or possibly grandfather). It's a blurring of reality and fiction...and it's so cool.
Dude you put the nerd in karate nerd!!! And I mean that in absolutely the best way possible. Like the video! It's not what I expected - I was expecting just complaining. But great video.
So, I am pretty sure the directors need to hire Jesse on the set / for post-production as a historical analyst of sorts!
The reason Chojun Miyagi's photo is on the wall is because the writer of the karate kid franchise Robert Mark Kamen studied under Chojun Miyagi and the story is loosely based on him. Because Master Fumio Demura was the stunt coordinator on all the karate kid films, that is where you see the Shito Ryu influence on the katas. We have done 6 years of research on the 2 documentaries that are our there. The Real Miyagi and More then Miyagi. Best of luck
Didn't even recognize this old fart on the wall and u make a whole video out of it 😜
I really don't like the cobra Kai series it makes karate look a bit pathetic in many ways. I don't even have the time to type how many times Its just a weird mixture of fact and fiction. Anyway another good video jesse I really enjoy watching your videos because we have very similar perspectives on martial arts.
I like how this guy knows the history of karate
A martial art that I'm thinking of taking
Most informative, great job!
However, You're theory is shot down by Mister Miyagi himself in the very first film. When Daniel asks him about it, his answer is crystal clear: ''Father teach.''
And in the second film, he explains to Daniel that he even asked his father to make an exception and ALSO teach to his best friend Sato although, in Okinawa, karate was handed down from father to son (according to... the script).
Sorry... Your vid is still great though and so is Cobra Kai :)
It wasn't a mistake. They literally show Daniel inventing that training in the scene right before where he watches the tire spin around in slow-motion at his dealership. Do better.
Makes you wonder if the show was actually watched or just clips
@@kuan720 It really does. Seems like facts and credibility don't actually matter when you're going for clickbait.
People just add new stuff. I never needed anybody to tell me that my karate is old and stuffy because I add more stuff to my karate and i later then teach it to my students. Larusso and johnny lawrance would have added new techniques
Hey well said. I've just made a similar comment that Daniel would be introducing new fighting styles & all new things his way. It is still all self defence. I think this guy is not looking at the bigger picture here.
Jesus Christ dude. Just enjoy the show, no hate, but like, you don’t have to compare this show so much to to real life. It’s meant to enjoy. Not criticize
Something extra is also that there is a lot of different styles of Goju-Ryu and different sensei's and dojos teaches different variants. My son was doing Goju-Ryu where he did a different variant. They will not only learn the 13 Goju-Ryu katas, but included in their syllabus was 3 extra katas that he had to learn. He moved to a new Karate Dojo in the beginning of the year and there they do a totally different variant again. They do the 13 katas, but those katas also differ from the ones he already learned.
Most people would write this off, but if there were a movie or series inspired by the teachings of my Soke Takayuki Kubota (founder of Gosoku-Ryu) and then they just popped some other dude's face on the altar, I'd be heated.
hey karate nerd so that day you sparred with ur bro did that mean mma is more eficient than karate i always wonder about that i have respect for all art once it can be used in a actual fight to defend one self i go to ufc gym and practice on a makiwara at home so i think mma should be apart of all art just my opinion what do you think karate nerd aka Jess
My humble opinion: first of all, Cobra Kai is just a TV show. It wouldn't surprise me to see a bunch of Karate techniques from different styles, mixed up just for entertainment sake. In Kyokushin, for example, we also have Seienchin and Kanku katas, with its slight differences from what is shown on Cobra Kai. Even the crane stance (Tsuru ashi dachi) and crane kick (tobi nidan mae geri) can be found in Kyokushin as well. And also, the first rule of Cobra Kai Karate (Strike First) is a complete and perfect opposition of one of my favorite rules on the Niju-Kun: "Karate ni sente nashi" (There is no first movement on Karate), which makes Cobra Kai a very well thought antagonist on the story.
What really matters here, I believe, is how Cobra Kai is raising interest on Karate among people - which is my favorite outcome from all of it. :)
@Abraham Serafino Well said, my friend, thanks for adding! 🙂
That was a very good theory of the facts of t the real sensei picture next to Mr. Myiga. That really opened my eyes wide✌️
Hey jesse i'am a Karate Shotokan Practicer. Does it a good karate. And did you know that I was practicing Kyokushinkai
As a shotokan practitioner it was really interesting to see kanku dai on the pond however it was also mildly annoying as they did alot wrong and there was no kime
I did the crane kick.... It was described by writer Robert Mark Kamen...He didn't tell me of any origin.
Actually the early Karate 空手 is based on the Chinese Tang Shou/ Tōte 唐手!
I love your videos I’ve learned so much about karate I’ve loved karate sense I was little and you made it better
Again, you're blowin me away! This is great. I'm about halfway through Cobra Kai right now.
Basically what you are saying is that Cobra Kai is the superior dojo! 😉
cobra kai went wrong because johny lawrence never owned a computer but typed like a pro
What about the pressure point technique? Is there pressure point in karate?
Jesse Sensei must be hired as Cobra Kai Season 3 consultant! Seriously. With him around, historical facts and karatedo accuracy will be spot on without losing cinematic flair and appeal.
3:38....maybe this would explain the "shrouded mystery" of the family of Kensuke Miyagi which is mentioned by the teaser trailer of Cobra Kai 3....maybe it is really like you suppose, Jesse....that someone else (Kenwa Mabuni or somewhone related to the founder of Shito-Ryu) was the main instructor of Miyagi...
but there is something what makes me thinking:
Why was Chozen so hateful even before he saw Daniel for the first time? in the Karate Kid 2 it is only shown that Chozen is the antagonist for Daniel ... but his reasons for his suspicion are not mentioned ...
Jesse's intro sounds better at ×1.5 speed.👍🏻👍🏻😂😂
The character of Miyagi was named after him, but Fumio Demura was also Pat Moritas stunt double, and trainer as well in the film., so Shito Ryu is also represented in the series.
Your spot on
Love your channel! Keep up the great content and work!
Still logical. In the Karate kid alternate history, Miyagigi Chojun could have been Mr. Miyagi's father but since a father did not teach a son, he actually studied under Mabuni Kenwa hence why his style is different from his father's.
The picture in the Dojo is actually a sentimental photo of his father , not of his teacher (since Miyagi is very sentimental about his family and keeps pictures of them around).
Still would be logical sicne even if his style was different, he would stilll honor his father as a great martial artist.
3:50 fumio deumra he is the chef instructor for my style I have only seen him 5 or 6 times as I live in England and trains in santa ana America my proudest moment in my karate is when I won the French World open and won in kobudo fighting and kata out of around 700 people from around the world he said that he was blow away and that is coming from the worlds best if you read this Jesse have a nice day and keep going I love your channel
No way Jesse u saw it
Great video as usual.
Your "conspiracy theory" is very likely the actual case and makes sense. I'm sure the writers didn't think this through to this deep level and just put up a real sensei named Miyagi. But it would make sense that considering their tradition of not teaching their own family, Miyagi wouldn't learn under his father but the other teacher.
The stunt double for Pat Morita (Mr Miyagi) was Fumio Demura Sensei who practices Shito'Ryu and Kobudo which explains the use of shuto uke and crane technics. On the other hand Cobra kay is based on Tang Soo Do which I recently discover is like a Korean flavor of Shotokan (just found some videos with all of their kata and are very close to shotokan version)
There's just one problem. Miyagi explicitly states, in both of the first two movies, that he was taught my his father, as was his then best friend Sato. We even see the dojo where he was taught and at one point it is even stated that his family only passed the Karate down from father to son and that Sato was the one exception.
My style Shito Ryu gettin some respect put on its name!!!! Maybe if I audition I'll get a part in season 4?!?!?
Because both are MIIYAGI....???
I knew you were a cobra kai. Remember Jesse, Cobra kai is your brothers & sisters , you are a Cobra kai for life , because Cobra kai ...Never dies :) btw Excellent Video!
I was surprised they didn't show a picture of Grandmaster Demura after the knowledge he gave for Karate Kid. Atleast sneak an Easter egg in.
Poor uechi ryu never gets any credit.