Hi Craig. Im loving your videos. I am doing a van conversion in Ireland. So we are putting the windows in at the moment. The first window we got a leak hence we found your channel! 2nd window this weekend so hopefully we have learnt our lesson. I love how you explain and work. Keeping it simple and straight forward. Thank you
Good luck with the 2nd window! 🙂🤞 I'm not the sharpest tool in the drawer and when I watch a video offering advice or instruction I like it to be straight to the point and short and sweet so that's how I try and film mine. I'm pretty much making them for myself! 😁 Thanks for watching and I hope they've been of use to you. 👍
As someone that has spent many years converting shipping containers into other things I wholeheartedly agree with the lack of moisture barrier. Unless you can spray foam and seal everything everywhere 100% your wasting money and effort. The roof will be the main condensation area, so seal that as best as possible or find a way to deal with it. Managing vapour/moisture is what’s needed, ventilation and even dehumidification. All that’s makes me sound much cleverer than what I really am but I’ve never found mould or evidence of mould on any conversion that got ripped apart after many years. Good video 👍🏻
It's comforting to know someone hasn't bothered with a moisture barrier in their metal box and after years there has been no issue. Thanks for sharing! I've stumbled across a few videos over the years of people converting containers into living spaces and always thought what an amazing thing it is. I'd love to try and do that myself but I'm not brave enough to take that on. Kudos to you!
@@PilgrimPods there’s not a lot too it, it’s just a bigger heavier dirtier metal box than a van 😂. Thankfully I don’t do that anymore after all those years. Keep the videos coming - you seem to add a bit of a round up or reflection at the end of them which makes a change from some stuff I see.
100% true I believe the best way to avoid condensation is to either use spray foam everywhere, or line everything (and I mean every single centimeter of metal) with thin self-adhesive closed-cell foam, and then put your proper insulation on top. Also, I believe that the best way to stick PIR boards on a van is with low expansion PU foam. Then you not only get a proper bond but also a seal that will not allow any condensation to form behind the PIR boards.
I like the low budget approach not like other videos here. They all using top shelf materials and talking how professional the build is, fine when you can afford it but what about those who are having old van and low budget to deal with? In end of the day its all about to get you down the road and try van life and see places. Would be a good idea if you can add spending summary in each video just to show people that it can be done on low cost. Use cheap alternatives not just top shelf stuff Loads of people are put off the idea of doing it because of the cost. Hope you can prove that is not necessarily the case.
I've seen interiors built from just pallets that look amazing and like you say it's all about getting out there on the road and enjoying what the world has to offer. We 'are' trying to work to a small budget but there will be two big budget items in there that we personally don't want to be without; a Maxxfan to try and keep the van as cool as possible in the summer for our dog and also a 12v compressor fridge as we're hoping the efficiency will offset the initial monetary outlay. Of course for someone else, a cheap skylight and cool box could easily substitute these! We're planning on doing a video on costs once finished but for the time being we've listed all the items we've used in the video descriptions. Yes, some are Amazon links but they're items we've purchased ourselves as they were the cheapest. We've also made sure to list where we purchased everything else from as again we found them to be the cheapest, such as the PIR boards from Buildbase. 🙂
I totally agree with you I feel that it's got a bit silly with people feeling the need to make it all perfect and professional looking. I used to watch a couple of guys just like this one and i can tell you I felt more inspired by the have a go worriers more than the omg look how perfect this van build is. type of people
Hmmm.. to vapour barrier or not? The best answer is you need both insulation and ventilation in your van. The vapour barrier works to keep condensation away from the cold metal structure and helps with thermal bridging. Basically some use of all of these are best practice in your build. My own experience leads me to use a vapour barrier, but that is my choice of course. If you want to see probably the best advice, have a gander at Greg Virgoe’s two videos on this subject on his build. Greg is a heating and ventilation design engineer. I’m formerly in the property business and refurbishment where this subject is also a ‘hot’ topic. Really enjoying the build, especially that this is on a budget that more folk would see as possible for themselves to achieve. Best to go your own way and enjoy the results 😎👍✅
As much as I love and respect Greg I'd need more than one heating and ventilation engineer to convince me to blindly follow their lead even despite the facts they present. The older I get the more it seems I question things. I've tried to do my own research and listen to various sources before deciding what's best for me. Listening to a few engineers from the marine industry weighed quite heavily in my decision. I'm no expert and wouldn't have the audacity to say THIS IS HOW THOU SHOULD DO IT 😄 but I would say there's an argument not to have a vapour barrier and folk should weigh up the pros and cons for themselves. 🙂
@@PilgrimPods indeed I wouldn’t blindly follow what Greg says - there are a few issues in my view in other areas I wouldn’t do that way. Having said that there are a lot of videos out there that are definitely not to be followed!
Another great video mate you did right putting the cork on above the cab first I put the sliver bubble wrap on first and the first trip out there was loads of condensation so I’ve pulled it off now and used the sticky foam with the thermo on the back of it and carpet over it 👍
Totally with you on the vapour barrier. If you think of it more as an air barrier as that is what you essentially need it is even more impossible to install. Nobody mentions the elephant in the room being that everybody comes across Mr V's video first and copies him without any research.... Keep it up.
Thanks Nigel. Make no mistake Mr V has done the best build series hands down and I for one certainly appreciate all of his content but I just happen to disagree on this one area, but then again I'm not an expert. My own personal thoughts are most of us probably overthink this area when the reality is it's ventilation that is truly key here. I'm sure I'll find out in time whether I was right or wrong! 😀🍻
Hey Craig, Great video! We're currently restoring and building a 55 year old motorhome, we've completely stripped out the interior so your video was super helpful! We've subscribed and can't wait to see more videos! Andy&L
Thanks for checking it out. 🙂👍 You've got a bit more on your hands with that motorhome, I wouldn't have a clue where to start! Interested to see what you do with it and what adventures it takes you on. It's a beautiful old thing that! 😍
@@PilgrimPods Thank you! Glad you like it! It's a tank for sure! Besides a few bespoke bits its pretty much a mash up of different manufactures of the era it was built. Our long term plan is to travel the US and Canada, in a dream world we'd then move it to Europe and travel there. I'm (Andy) originally from England but L is a native Virginian, where we currently live.
@@SoulofaSeeker our current dream is to spend some time exploring the US in a campervan but if it happens it will be way off. Sheffield ain't that far from Tamworth! Virginia on the other hand... 😁🙌
I would LOVE side by side comparison of two vans!!! One like tihs with proper insulation< And another with the same volume of windows and no insulation> Would there be any variation in van enjoyment??? The widows take upw what?? ... 60% of the wall area ??
Never used the vapour barrier method myself. Just stripped out my Relay for a refresh/rebuild and it was bone dry inside just using silver bubble wrap and recycled plastic bottle insulation after 5 years use
That's great to hear Steve! At least it is for me anyway as it supports my researched argument, and puts my mind further at ease going against what most seem to do in their vans. The theory clearly works in practice! 😄 Thanks for sharing that with me. 👍
@@PilgrimPods I also worry that some vans are too sealed ie not vented enough and could cause issues with incomplete burning of gas on hobs etc thereby causing CO to be produced due to lack of oxygen
Regarding the sills - watch out that any water ending in there is meant to drain through existing gaps/slits between the outer sill skin and the vertical wall on the inside. I've sprayed cavity wax in mine as well - and then I've discovered that water was accumulating in there after that and not draining away - as the slits were blocked. As a temporary measure, I removed one of the rubber bungs to let the water drain away - but I really have to unblock the slits for free drainage. The design of the body allows water to drain into the sills - from the bottom of the sliding door channel, and also from another place I haven't been able to identify yet - as the sills on both sides fill up with water when the drainage holes are blocked. So you do need to make sure that there is a way for the water to drain away. One more thing - watch out that you will need to have a way to get behind the rear light cluster - as I believe that is the only way to remove it in order to change brake/indicators/reversing light bulbs. So whatever you attach instead of the two internal black plastic panels have to be relatively easy to remove. I hope the above helps. Good luck with the build - it is looking good! :-)
Thanks for the advice Seb, especially regarding the sills. I've carpeted the access hole for the rear lights as well as the surrounding area but the area behind is free of insulation so when the time comes to get in there I'll just cut a slit in the carpet and tape it back up afterwards as it'll be hidden by the trim piece. Again, appreciate the advice! 🍻
Back in the 90s I waxoyled the insides of all four doors of a car I had. Ten years later the engine was worn out and the shell was rotten, except for the doors which were like new. It does work.
Great job. I wish i had used that board on my floor, but did not want to lose the height being 6ft1. I do have a cold floor. Laminate floor insulation doesn't cut it.
Hey Lee, thanks for swinging by again. Height was a concern for us too but we just about got away with it in the end. I'll drop you an email tomorrow. 🙂👍
Cheers Arno! 😁🍻 Good luck with the route you decide to take! Vapour barrier or not I'd definitely consider giving the sills a quick blast of Waxoyl for how little it costs and the protection it offers. One can was perfect for our L2 so should be for yours too. 🙂
Hi Craig. After thinking about it I think you may be on to something mate. A house has vapor barrier fitted but it also has vents. So, barring that in mind it is logical to install a vapour barrier but leave the lower channel as you have done to breath and also maybe some inspection hatches and fit moister sensors to warn of a build-up of condensate. Maybe even fit one-way valves to let moisture out and possibly some kind of vent. Only thinking maybe, a house builder could add some thoughts on the matter. Great topic Craig well spotted
Hey Ken. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Like you say, it's an interesting topic and I don't believe either route is a definitive right or wrong. I'm of the belief each and everyone of us should weigh up the pros and cons and make a decision what best suits us personally. That's exactly what I've done and decided a vapour barrier wasn't right for us based on researched facts from various sources as opposed to listening to one person's opinion, and using my own common sense. 😊
Great vid again Craig. Will be putting a vapour barrier in my van conversion. However what worriers me, if anything leaked, like round a ceiling fan/vent, solar panel fixing, you would never know until it was too late !! Trying to workout a method of checking under the vapour barrier somehow,once a year say.... Will look forward to see the next stage of your van build, looks great so far.
Thanks John. I originally planned to have a vapour barrier (you could say I've almost got one with all the foil and tape I've used) but elements like the drainage holes swung my decision. I think good ventilation is key whatever route we take so I'll be mindful of that when using the van to limit any moisture buildup. A short follow up video might be worthwhile when using the van to see whether my decision appears to be right or wrong... Best of luck with your own conversion!
@@PilgrimPods Thanks,..Good idea of yours with sort of a part vapour barrier. Should work well for you. With me and the dogs vapour is a problem ! Got at least a month before gets to the vapour barrier part. Will see if can think of something. Look forward to your next video. Cheers John
One of the first things I bought was a plastic sheet vapour barrier but like you after looking at my Relay I'm not sure there's any point in trying to use it. There's so many interlinked channels that I'm sure I won't be able to close it off. My Relay came with plastic bungs for those side cill drain holes. Currently I have them removed to allow airflow.
Hey Matt, sorry for the slow reply. Personally I think a lot of us over think the vapour barrier conundrum. I'm trying to limit exposure to the metal of the van but accept I'll never be able to fully seal it all off. I also remind myself the metal of my van is galvanised and has a layer of primer and paint protecting it. If I had a Sprinter or Transit I'd probably be a little more worried as I've seen many an abused five year old van on the road with signs of rust taking hold because they're not galvanised. Regardless of whatever route you take, all the best with your own build mate!
I just think some folks WAY overthink and there for overengineer their floor adding unnecesary weight and height. Use close cell foam, stick it on the floor, floor direct on top as it easily can carry the weight (being spread out as well), done. Cheaper, quicker, insulates absolutely fine, deadens sound too.. Yep, ventilation is key, not spending time and cash on a vapour barrier.
I’ll be using similar materials but definitely going down the vapour barrier route. If you’ve ever stayed in a camper in winter the amount of moisture you produce is mental! Best to limit as much as is possible because unless you are installing proper ways to ventilate the area behind the insulation it’s never going to dry out!! I’d be interested to see the two options properly tested though! You never see after build comparisons. Also one thing about the air coming in from outside, it’s colder at ambient and not moisture laden so won’t condense on the skin. 👍🏻
I've only ever really camped in tents but completely get your point about the moisture buildup in winter! 😁 Ventilation should be key in any van build in my opinion to limit that moisture buildup. I completely get your point about the drainage holes but having now given them a good scrub it's clear to me moisture/water can get it in through them via air/splashes/whatever it may be. 🌊🌧🌪😄 I was also concerned about achieving a 100% sealed barrier. Better to let the van breathe and ventilate well in my opinion. A test of both methods would be great, someone needs to get on it! Like I say, all we can do is research and decide what works best for us. However, I'd say there's certainly an argument not to install a vapour even though everyone does seem to be trying to install them. 😊👍
Ive just had to rip out my van conversion to to damp in the van which had a vapour barrier in it, What started out as a little refurb has ended up back to a empty van. Not sure weather to put the vapour barrier back in or not or do as you have here so confused and P##ssed OFF.
Great work on helsing our van is called Sully and I’ve named every van / camper I’ve ever had our kids love giving them names As for the vapour Barrier I wouldn’t bother I always purchase front window deflectors and leave the front windows open a tiny amount always clears moisture any time of the year Keep up the good work
Thanks for the reassurance Kevin. 🙂🍻 Your real life experience trumps my theorizing and it's nice to hear it sounds like I'm on the right track with my thoughts. Please tell me Sully is big and blue!? 😄
@@PilgrimPods your welcome mate I’ve had Vw vans for the last 20 years that I’ve converted And yep sully is a green / blue crafter you’ve probably seen on Instagram
@@minisurfboardscouk of course! Scarlett likes the Crafters and VW's in general, particularly the older ones. Her brother restores and shows them and a little of that love for them has rubbed off on her. Our original plan many, many years ago was to buy a T25 until we learned people converted panel vans... The thought had just never occurred to me that folk did that. 😁
@@minisurfboardscouk your art's really cool. We might have to ask for a commission in the future! Quite like the thought of one of your table pieces in our van.🙂❤👌
We'll both get there in the end! 😁🙌 With how the world is right now I'm happy just taking my time pottering about with the van and getting out there in it once some sort of normality has returned. The original plan had been to get it finished for this very week for a trip to Scotland. 😄
I removed all recycled bottle insulation from van was building up and absorbing condensation i noticed aswell on t5 that theres actually vent holes in panel floor to circulate air from below to gril at top rear just a small flow but its important to breathe, i doubled up on soundead everywhere and cell foam now no condensation in mornings or ever
After converting outbuildings etc for habitation the regs called for a vapour barrier, however, a time served building inspector told me not to bother as its pointless unless you can seal it 100% which is almost impossible.
Hi there! Thanks for your content - finding it really helpful in the lead up to our van project. We are also looking at buying a citroen relay around the same age - as we want a widthways bed (tall pair!). Did you have any concerns buying a slightly older van? We are finding so many builds are on much newer vans and its simply not within our budget!
No concerns whatsoever. It's always worth going on MOT checker to see what has been flagged up on previous tests to get an idea of things. Being an older van with 170k on the clock I'm prepared for the possibility of repairs but have my fingers crossed they won't happen. Any car/van can have problems regardless of age and at least we know ours is well ran in. Maintenance is key and chances are if you get an older van with plenty of service history you'll hopefully be golden. Another important consideration is its past life and what has it been used for. Better a high mileage van doing motorway runs delivering pillows than a low mileage van moving bricks day in day out! 😄
I always wonder how much effect insulation has in those rail channel cavities. Decent at radiation and convection of heat, but what about conduction from the metal? Perhaps spacing the walls from the metal is the solution. Air is a decent insulator. PS: I think your moisture barrier theory is correct. You can really only slow it down - which isn't bad in itself.
We've very recently started our first Citroen Relay van build and have just discovered your videos. We've never done this before and are finding them really informative, straightforward and very helpful. One question I have - is there anything you wish you'd done differently?
Thanks and yes, got to grips with my sound levels for the videos earlier on... 😄 I'm building the kitchen units at the moment and in hindsight probably should have fit them straight after the bed frame. Other than that, nothing really so far.
I have the same van and is 12 yrs old with 150m on the clock. Mine too is on a budget and am at the stage of the batterns. Ive been worrying lately about the cost of the build in regards spending so much on the presumption the engine is going to be ok and be worth the cost in the end. Obviously no one can predict the future and whether the engines going to be fine. Whats your thoughts on this. Thanks.
I've had friends buy brand spanking new cars and had endless issues with them and friends driving around in old used and abused bangers that just will not die. 😄 I honestly think in part there's a huge element of luck with buying any vehicle but the comforting thing about vans are they're built for big miles. With an older van I'm expecting bills to replace parts through wear and tear but once they're replaced they're replaced. All I could do was find a van that didn't appear to have an arduous previous life, cross my fingers, hope for the best and what will be will be. With regular servicing and maintenance I'm hoping it'll repay that care. 😊🤞
I've a 2014 Sprinter's with 200,000 on the clock....I too thought the same reference what if the engine lets me down? What if it fails an MOT big style? All what ifs !!! I have made the conversation start and well on the way . As I work on the van on the drive the amount of people walking past showing an interest is unbelievable. " Oh I've always wanted to do that" and "how much further have you got with it' most people will never get around to having a go for many reasons. So I take my hat off to all like minded people who choose van building...it's a case of grabbing the bull by the horns as you may never get a chance again.....so go for it ,and if it goes tits up then you can say I had a go. All the best to fellow van builders.👍
Engines and anything can be repaired. You could get your van written off the day you put it on the road and possibly not get back what it’s cost to build so don’t be scared of putting in what you need to make it yours. A good built cosy motorhome is worth repairing if the engine pops but maintain it as it should be.
You're not using a vapor barrier? I am both shocked and disgusted. I bid you good day sir. Nice video again mate. If you start it at 9:54 and you have no context, it sounds proper funny.
Does a semi vapour barrier count? 🤔😁 You shouldn't be skipping any sections of the video mate, you should be enjoying every minute of me being on your telly! 😄😜
I'm at about the same stage with mine and I know what he means about the great wall of china. I went for thicker insulation, but that means a LOT more bo Batoning...dont I know it! Regarding the vapour barrier, I totally agree, if you can get it 100% hermetically sealed, what's the point. I think allowing it to breath may be the better option...only time will tell? Mines a L3 H2 relay, by the way. Regards Mick
Hermetically sealed... Thank you, that was the terminology I should have used. 😊👍Being the L2H2 version I've tried my best to find balance between decent insulation and minimum encroachment inside the living area. It's going to be a squeeze for the three of us in there. L3H2 opens up so more possibilities I believe and was what we wanted originally but this van of ours popped up for the right money. Best of luck building your own wall (van)! 😁🧱
@@PilgrimPods I was going to go for the L4, but parking becomes a problem in supermarkets etc. Look forward to following your build, I have the bell now! I'm just about to put a 400 x 400 midi heki type roof light in, but not sure what size batons to use for the frame. Any suggestions? Guess it depends on roof baton sizes and insulation thickness?
L4H3 opens up a world of possibilities. 😊 If ever we decided to take a year out of work to travel we'd consider something bigger but that's a few years off. I can't recall the exact size wood we used for the framing. I remember the plan was to shape the frame to fit to the corrugated roof and sit flush with the internal rib. I ended up using a 12mm batten across the ribs for the ceiling to attach to meaning I've had to pack the frame out by the same depth in this video in preparation for the next stage. I'll measure up the frame tomorrow and drop the measurements here. We bought the wood from Wickes I know that much. We do have a video of us fitting ours which might interest you. If you haven't guessed already, I try to show folks up close what I'm doing as when I was doing my own research watching videos the person would quite often gloss over what they were doing and not really show you the detail leaving you scratching your head.
@@PilgrimPods thanks very much. Looking at it I think it will have to come level to the rib batons, which are 22mm, then the tongue and grove cladding ...should run smooth. I will check out your other videos. Most I've watched so far (and theres been many) are from greg virgo, the restoration couple and camper vibe, all of which have helped immensely. Are there any that you could recommend? Thanks for the advise, greatly appreciated 👍
@@michealgillman7418 Sir Greg is the go to for most of us I think. Absolutely love his channel and the knowledge he shares even if I don't always agree with him ie vapour barriers and screwing battens to the floor. The advice he shares is amazingly well thought out. He's even created instructional pdfs on some topics and offered them to the community for free where others would try and charge a fee. If there's a task I'm unsure of tackling I just tend to do a TH-cam search, watch a few videos, do a little internet research and then apply my own common sense to what I've learned. I love Camper Vibe too but more so for their vlogs. A channel we've recently discovered and you'll probably find useful if you haven't seen them already is ''Louis The Van'. 👍
7:15 .. My van is the opposite, no windows in the back at all ,,, I'm actually taking out a sliding widow the previous owner put in (Such a shitty job!!!) I cant even explain how bad it was!!! They cut through the roof supports (1994 chevy Step Van) The back rollip roor is going to be our only "window" :)
Vapour barriers are used to stop moisture gaining access from the outside of a building that is built with bricks etc that let moisture through. You see this on timber framed buildings and it’s effective. A van is metal so it can’t let moisture through (unless it’s basically a rusty holed sieve) so no need for a vapour barrier. The most important aspect that a camper needs is adequate ventilation and obviously correct insulation. No ventilation and there is nowhere for the moisture accumulated in the van to go and your van materials absorb it and rot. My opinion but my van is not getting a vapour barrier.
Van Helsing? Nah, pure coincidence! 😜 Check out the description for what we used here in Blighty, you'll no doubt be able to find an Aussie equivalent. 👍 Best of luck with the continued van search. You and yours stay safe too and have yourselves a great Christmas! 🙂
I'm not sure what you are reading, but just from a basic physics point of view, I don't think that's true. If you can provide a link that would be awesome. Anything foil-based when heat hits it will reflect it back. This is how 99% of physics is applied when building a home and insulation. Insulation has a foiled backing which is pretty much the same principle
Great video. I’m feeling better now. I’ve been losing my mind over videos about moisture barriers.
Hi Craig. Im loving your videos. I am doing a van conversion in Ireland. So we are putting the windows in at the moment. The first window we got a leak hence we found your channel! 2nd window this weekend so hopefully we have learnt our lesson. I love how you explain and work. Keeping it simple and straight forward. Thank you
Good luck with the 2nd window! 🙂🤞 I'm not the sharpest tool in the drawer and when I watch a video offering advice or instruction I like it to be straight to the point and short and sweet so that's how I try and film mine. I'm pretty much making them for myself! 😁 Thanks for watching and I hope they've been of use to you. 👍
As someone that has spent many years converting shipping containers into other things I wholeheartedly agree with the lack of moisture barrier. Unless you can spray foam and seal everything everywhere 100% your wasting money and effort. The roof will be the main condensation area, so seal that as best as possible or find a way to deal with it. Managing vapour/moisture is what’s needed, ventilation and even dehumidification.
All that’s makes me sound much cleverer than what I really am but I’ve never found mould or evidence of mould on any conversion that got ripped apart after many years.
Good video 👍🏻
It's comforting to know someone hasn't bothered with a moisture barrier in their metal box and after years there has been no issue. Thanks for sharing! I've stumbled across a few videos over the years of people converting containers into living spaces and always thought what an amazing thing it is. I'd love to try and do that myself but I'm not brave enough to take that on. Kudos to you!
@@PilgrimPods there’s not a lot too it, it’s just a bigger heavier dirtier metal box than a van 😂. Thankfully I don’t do that anymore after all those years. Keep the videos coming - you seem to add a bit of a round up or reflection at the end of them which makes a change from some stuff I see.
@@noskills9577 you've had us pricing up containers and watching conversion videos last night... Thanks for watching!
@@PilgrimPods oh no 😂
100% true
I believe the best way to avoid condensation is to either use spray foam everywhere, or line everything (and I mean every single centimeter of metal) with thin self-adhesive closed-cell foam, and then put your proper insulation on top. Also, I believe that the best way to stick PIR boards on a van is with low expansion PU foam. Then you not only get a proper bond but also a seal that will not allow any condensation to form behind the PIR boards.
I like the low budget approach not like other videos here. They all using top shelf materials and talking how professional the build is, fine when you can afford it but what about those who are having old van and low budget to deal with? In end of the day its all about to get you down the road and try van life and see places. Would be a good idea if you can add spending summary in each video just to show people that it can be done on low cost. Use cheap alternatives not just top shelf stuff
Loads of people are put off the idea of doing it because of the cost.
Hope you can prove that is not necessarily the case.
I've seen interiors built from just pallets that look amazing and like you say it's all about getting out there on the road and enjoying what the world has to offer. We 'are' trying to work to a small budget but there will be two big budget items in there that we personally don't want to be without; a Maxxfan to try and keep the van as cool as possible in the summer for our dog and also a 12v compressor fridge as we're hoping the efficiency will offset the initial monetary outlay. Of course for someone else, a cheap skylight and cool box could easily substitute these! We're planning on doing a video on costs once finished but for the time being we've listed all the items we've used in the video descriptions. Yes, some are Amazon links but they're items we've purchased ourselves as they were the cheapest. We've also made sure to list where we purchased everything else from as again we found them to be the cheapest, such as the PIR boards from Buildbase. 🙂
I totally agree with you I feel that it's got a bit silly with people feeling the need to make it all perfect and professional looking. I used to watch a couple of guys just like this one and i can tell you I felt more inspired by the have a go worriers more than the omg look how perfect this van build is. type of people
Another good video. When I do my van, it will be done the way you've done it.
Cheers Francis. 🙂🍻 Best of luck with your own build. 👍
Hmmm.. to vapour barrier or not? The best answer is you need both insulation and ventilation in your van. The vapour barrier works to keep condensation away from the cold metal structure and helps with thermal bridging. Basically some use of all of these are best practice in your build. My own experience leads me to use a vapour barrier, but that is my choice of course. If you want to see probably the best advice, have a gander at Greg Virgoe’s two videos on this subject on his build. Greg is a heating and ventilation design engineer. I’m formerly in the property business and refurbishment where this subject is also a ‘hot’ topic.
Really enjoying the build, especially that this is on a budget that more folk would see as possible for themselves to achieve. Best to go your own way and enjoy the results 😎👍✅
As much as I love and respect Greg I'd need more than one heating and ventilation engineer to convince me to blindly follow their lead even despite the facts they present. The older I get the more it seems I question things. I've tried to do my own research and listen to various sources before deciding what's best for me. Listening to a few engineers from the marine industry weighed quite heavily in my decision. I'm no expert and wouldn't have the audacity to say THIS IS HOW THOU SHOULD DO IT 😄 but I would say there's an argument not to have a vapour barrier and folk should weigh up the pros and cons for themselves. 🙂
@@PilgrimPods it’s always good to stay curious! It’s your van after all... so it’s got to sit comfortably with what you feel is right for you. 👍
@@PilgrimPods indeed I wouldn’t blindly follow what Greg says - there are a few issues in my view in other areas I wouldn’t do that way. Having said that there are a lot of videos out there that are definitely not to be followed!
Another great video mate you did right putting the cork on above the cab first I put the sliver bubble wrap on first and the first trip out there was loads of condensation so I’ve pulled it off now and used the sticky foam with the thermo on the back of it and carpet over it 👍
Gutted! 😬 Thanks for putting my mind at ease regarding that Dale. 🙂👍
Totally with you on the vapour barrier. If you think of it more as an air barrier as that is what you essentially need it is even more impossible to install. Nobody mentions the elephant in the room being that everybody comes across Mr V's video first and copies him without any research.... Keep it up.
Thanks Nigel. Make no mistake Mr V has done the best build series hands down and I for one certainly appreciate all of his content but I just happen to disagree on this one area, but then again I'm not an expert. My own personal thoughts are most of us probably overthink this area when the reality is it's ventilation that is truly key here. I'm sure I'll find out in time whether I was right or wrong! 😀🍻
I agree with you on vapour barrier. You’ll never properly seal a van. When I’ll fit out my van I’ll just put vents in the inner wall panels.
Thanks Richard. 🙂👍🍻
thanks for video i think your right about looking at all the different vids and getting what is best for your own personal circumstances
Thanks for watching it Eliot. Research is key! 🙂👍
Hey Craig, Great video! We're currently restoring and building a 55 year old motorhome, we've completely stripped out the interior so your video was super helpful! We've subscribed and can't wait to see more videos! Andy&L
Thanks for checking it out. 🙂👍 You've got a bit more on your hands with that motorhome, I wouldn't have a clue where to start! Interested to see what you do with it and what adventures it takes you on. It's a beautiful old thing that! 😍
@@PilgrimPods Thank you! Glad you like it! It's a tank for sure! Besides a few bespoke bits its pretty much a mash up of different manufactures of the era it was built. Our long term plan is to travel the US and Canada, in a dream world we'd then move it to Europe and travel there. I'm (Andy) originally from England but L is a native Virginian, where we currently live.
@@SoulofaSeeker our current dream is to spend some time exploring the US in a campervan but if it happens it will be way off. Sheffield ain't that far from Tamworth! Virginia on the other hand... 😁🙌
I would LOVE side by side comparison of two vans!!!
One like tihs with proper insulation<
And another with the same volume of windows and no insulation>
Would there be any variation in van enjoyment???
The widows take upw what?? ... 60% of the wall area ??
Straightforward no nonsense easy to follow videos well done mate loving these 👍🏼
Appreciate you taking the time to check 'em out in a sea of van build series. 🙂🙌
Never used the vapour barrier method myself. Just stripped out my Relay for a refresh/rebuild and it was bone dry inside just using silver bubble wrap and recycled plastic bottle insulation after 5 years use
That's great to hear Steve! At least it is for me anyway as it supports my researched argument, and puts my mind further at ease going against what most seem to do in their vans. The theory clearly works in practice! 😄 Thanks for sharing that with me. 👍
@@PilgrimPods I also worry that some vans are too sealed ie not vented enough and could cause issues with incomplete burning of gas on hobs etc thereby causing CO to be produced due to lack of oxygen
@@stevebrown6665 hadn't really thought about that to be honest.
Regarding the sills - watch out that any water ending in there is meant to drain through existing gaps/slits between the outer sill skin and the vertical wall on the inside. I've sprayed cavity wax in mine as well - and then I've discovered that water was accumulating in there after that and not draining away - as the slits were blocked. As a temporary measure, I removed one of the rubber bungs to let the water drain away - but I really have to unblock the slits for free drainage. The design of the body allows water to drain into the sills - from the bottom of the sliding door channel, and also from another place I haven't been able to identify yet - as the sills on both sides fill up with water when the drainage holes are blocked. So you do need to make sure that there is a way for the water to drain away.
One more thing - watch out that you will need to have a way to get behind the rear light cluster - as I believe that is the only way to remove it in order to change brake/indicators/reversing light bulbs. So whatever you attach instead of the two internal black plastic panels have to be relatively easy to remove.
I hope the above helps. Good luck with the build - it is looking good! :-)
Thanks for the advice Seb, especially regarding the sills. I've carpeted the access hole for the rear lights as well as the surrounding area but the area behind is free of insulation so when the time comes to get in there I'll just cut a slit in the carpet and tape it back up afterwards as it'll be hidden by the trim piece. Again, appreciate the advice! 🍻
Back in the 90s I waxoyled the insides of all four doors of a car I had. Ten years later the engine was worn out and the shell was rotten, except for the doors which were like new. It does work.
@@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548 that's comforting to hear. Thanks for the reassurance!
Another great video, really like your presentation and explanation. Looking forward to the next video.
Cheers Brian! 😁🍻 Thanks for checking it out. 🙂👍
Great job. I wish i had used that board on my floor, but did not want to lose the height being 6ft1. I do have a cold floor. Laminate floor insulation doesn't cut it.
Hey Lee, thanks for swinging by again. Height was a concern for us too but we just about got away with it in the end. I'll drop you an email tomorrow. 🙂👍
Good work, mate. Keep the videos rolling!
Cheers dude! 😁🙌
Nice video again Craig - I’m at the same stage, Definitely food for thought !
Cheers Arno! 😁🍻 Good luck with the route you decide to take! Vapour barrier or not I'd definitely consider giving the sills a quick blast of Waxoyl for how little it costs and the protection it offers. One can was perfect for our L2 so should be for yours too. 🙂
Really interesting vid Craig. Good explanation making it easy to follow
Cheers Cap! 🍻 Thanks for watching it. 🙂
Hi Craig. After thinking about it I think you may be on to something mate. A house has vapor barrier fitted but it also has vents. So, barring that in mind it is logical to install a vapour barrier but leave the lower channel as you have done to breath and also maybe some inspection hatches and fit moister sensors to warn of a build-up of condensate. Maybe even fit one-way valves to let moisture out and possibly some kind of vent. Only thinking maybe, a house builder could add some thoughts on the matter. Great topic Craig well spotted
Hey Ken. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Like you say, it's an interesting topic and I don't believe either route is a definitive right or wrong. I'm of the belief each and everyone of us should weigh up the pros and cons and make a decision what best suits us personally. That's exactly what I've done and decided a vapour barrier wasn't right for us based on researched facts from various sources as opposed to listening to one person's opinion, and using my own common sense. 😊
Great vid again Craig. Will be putting a vapour barrier in my van conversion. However what worriers me, if anything leaked, like round a ceiling fan/vent, solar panel fixing, you would never know until it was too late !! Trying to workout a method of checking under the vapour barrier somehow,once a year say.... Will look forward to see the next stage of your van build, looks great so far.
Thanks John. I originally planned to have a vapour barrier (you could say I've almost got one with all the foil and tape I've used) but elements like the drainage holes swung my decision. I think good ventilation is key whatever route we take so I'll be mindful of that when using the van to limit any moisture buildup. A short follow up video might be worthwhile when using the van to see whether my decision appears to be right or wrong... Best of luck with your own conversion!
@@PilgrimPods Thanks,..Good idea of yours with sort of a part vapour barrier. Should work well for you. With me and the dogs vapour is a problem ! Got at least a month before gets to the vapour barrier part. Will see if can think of something. Look forward to your next video. Cheers John
One of the first things I bought was a plastic sheet vapour barrier but like you after looking at my Relay I'm not sure there's any point in trying to use it. There's so many interlinked channels that I'm sure I won't be able to close it off.
My Relay came with plastic bungs for those side cill drain holes. Currently I have them removed to allow airflow.
Hey Matt, sorry for the slow reply. Personally I think a lot of us over think the vapour barrier conundrum. I'm trying to limit exposure to the metal of the van but accept I'll never be able to fully seal it all off. I also remind myself the metal of my van is galvanised and has a layer of primer and paint protecting it. If I had a Sprinter or Transit I'd probably be a little more worried as I've seen many an abused five year old van on the road with signs of rust taking hold because they're not galvanised. Regardless of whatever route you take, all the best with your own build mate!
I just think some folks WAY overthink and there for overengineer their floor adding unnecesary weight and height.
Use close cell foam, stick it on the floor, floor direct on top as it easily can carry the weight (being spread out as well), done.
Cheaper, quicker, insulates absolutely fine, deadens sound too..
Yep, ventilation is key, not spending time and cash on a vapour barrier.
I’ll be using similar materials but definitely going down the vapour barrier route. If you’ve ever stayed in a camper in winter the amount of moisture you produce is mental! Best to limit as much as is possible because unless you are installing proper ways to ventilate the area behind the insulation it’s never going to dry out!! I’d be interested to see the two options properly tested though! You never see after build comparisons. Also one thing about the air coming in from outside, it’s colder at ambient and not moisture laden so won’t condense on the skin. 👍🏻
I've only ever really camped in tents but completely get your point about the moisture buildup in winter! 😁 Ventilation should be key in any van build in my opinion to limit that moisture buildup. I completely get your point about the drainage holes but having now given them a good scrub it's clear to me moisture/water can get it in through them via air/splashes/whatever it may be. 🌊🌧🌪😄 I was also concerned about achieving a 100% sealed barrier. Better to let the van breathe and ventilate well in my opinion. A test of both methods would be great, someone needs to get on it! Like I say, all we can do is research and decide what works best for us. However, I'd say there's certainly an argument not to install a vapour even though everyone does seem to be trying to install them. 😊👍
@@PilgrimPods a collaboration then, once both vans are complete 😂 one week in cold weather and a moisture test
@@Midlander Is this still on the cards? I'm currently doing vapour barrier research
Ive just had to rip out my van conversion to to damp in the van which had a vapour barrier in it, What started out as a little refurb has ended up back to a empty van. Not sure weather to put the vapour barrier back in or not or do as you have here so confused and P##ssed OFF.
Looks great. After 2 years, would you have used a vapour barrier?
Really enjoying your build. All the best.
Thanks again Shey, appreciate you checking our videos out and happy new year!
I am currently doing a van build. Think going by my van there are so many holes and rust spots that there weren’t be a way to block out the moisture
Great work on helsing our van is called Sully and I’ve named every van / camper I’ve ever had our kids love giving them names
As for the vapour Barrier I wouldn’t bother I always purchase front window deflectors and leave the front windows open a tiny amount always clears moisture any time of the year
Keep up the good work
Thanks for the reassurance Kevin. 🙂🍻 Your real life experience trumps my theorizing and it's nice to hear it sounds like I'm on the right track with my thoughts. Please tell me Sully is big and blue!? 😄
@@PilgrimPods your welcome mate I’ve had Vw vans for the last 20 years that I’ve converted
And yep sully is a green / blue crafter you’ve probably seen on Instagram
@@minisurfboardscouk of course! Scarlett likes the Crafters and VW's in general, particularly the older ones. Her brother restores and shows them and a little of that love for them has rubbed off on her. Our original plan many, many years ago was to buy a T25 until we learned people converted panel vans... The thought had just never occurred to me that folk did that. 😁
@@PilgrimPods that’s cool I trade at most of the shows myself and do live drawing of them at the show’s
@@minisurfboardscouk your art's really cool. We might have to ask for a commission in the future! Quite like the thought of one of your table pieces in our van.🙂❤👌
I love your videos!! Those inner cells, did you stuff insulation into them? Mine are sub floor level so wondering if i need to!
Great channel, love what you do and the way you present it.
Thanks Andrew, really appreciate you saying that. 😊👍
Massively helpful channel, thanks! Subbed 😀
Really clever and great way of converting it
Thanks!
Are you satisfied? If you were to make it today, would you use the same materials?
Looking good and glad to see you taking your time, they built the great wall of China quicker than I'm doing mine
We'll both get there in the end! 😁🙌 With how the world is right now I'm happy just taking my time pottering about with the van and getting out there in it once some sort of normality has returned. The original plan had been to get it finished for this very week for a trip to Scotland. 😄
We are the same, everything kinda stopped so now planning on next year, I'm enjoying having my own channel and editing etc
@@ourvanviv8858 will certainly check it out! It's all a learning curve, frustrating at times but fun none the less. 🙂
I removed all recycled bottle insulation from van was building up and absorbing condensation i noticed aswell on t5 that theres actually vent holes in panel floor to circulate air from below to gril at top rear just a small flow but its important to breathe, i doubled up on soundead everywhere and cell foam now no condensation in mornings or ever
Thanks for the knowledge bomb. 🙂👍
After converting outbuildings etc for habitation the regs called for a vapour barrier, however, a time served building inspector told me not to bother as its pointless unless you can seal it 100% which is almost impossible.
Hi there! Thanks for your content - finding it really helpful in the lead up to our van project. We are also looking at buying a citroen relay around the same age - as we want a widthways bed (tall pair!). Did you have any concerns buying a slightly older van? We are finding so many builds are on much newer vans and its simply not within our budget!
No concerns whatsoever. It's always worth going on MOT checker to see what has been flagged up on previous tests to get an idea of things. Being an older van with 170k on the clock I'm prepared for the possibility of repairs but have my fingers crossed they won't happen. Any car/van can have problems regardless of age and at least we know ours is well ran in. Maintenance is key and chances are if you get an older van with plenty of service history you'll hopefully be golden. Another important consideration is its past life and what has it been used for. Better a high mileage van doing motorway runs delivering pillows than a low mileage van moving bricks day in day out! 😄
I always wonder how much effect insulation has in those rail channel cavities. Decent at radiation and convection of heat, but what about conduction from the metal? Perhaps spacing the walls from the metal is the solution. Air is a decent insulator. PS: I think your moisture barrier theory is correct. You can really only slow it down - which isn't bad in itself.
We've very recently started our first Citroen Relay van build and have just discovered your videos. We've never done this before and are finding them really informative, straightforward and very helpful. One question I have - is there anything you wish you'd done differently?
Thanks and yes, got to grips with my sound levels for the videos earlier on... 😄 I'm building the kitchen units at the moment and in hindsight probably should have fit them straight after the bed frame. Other than that, nothing really so far.
That’s looking great!!
Cheers mate, yours does too! Will hopefully be able to check one another's vans out in the flesh one day. 🙂👍
Expanding foam for areas you cant get to
I'd love to know how this decision not vapour barrier worked out - any regrets or issues?
Great video as usual.
Cheers Mick! 😁🍻 Thanks for checking it out. 🙂
I have the same van and is 12 yrs old with 150m on the clock. Mine too is on a budget and am at the stage of the batterns. Ive been worrying lately about the cost of the build in regards spending so much on the presumption the engine is going to be ok and be worth the cost in the end. Obviously no one can predict the future and whether the engines going to be fine. Whats your thoughts on this. Thanks.
I've had friends buy brand spanking new cars and had endless issues with them and friends driving around in old used and abused bangers that just will not die. 😄 I honestly think in part there's a huge element of luck with buying any vehicle but the comforting thing about vans are they're built for big miles. With an older van I'm expecting bills to replace parts through wear and tear but once they're replaced they're replaced. All I could do was find a van that didn't appear to have an arduous previous life, cross my fingers, hope for the best and what will be will be. With regular servicing and maintenance I'm hoping it'll repay that care. 😊🤞
I've a 2014 Sprinter's with 200,000 on the clock....I too thought the same reference what if the engine lets me down? What if it fails an MOT big style? All what ifs !!! I have made the conversation start and well on the way . As I work on the van on the drive the amount of people walking past showing an interest is unbelievable. " Oh I've always wanted to do that" and "how much further have you got with it' most people will never get around to having a go for many reasons. So I take my hat off to all like minded people who choose van building...it's a case of grabbing the bull by the horns as you may never get a chance again.....so go for it ,and if it goes tits up then you can say I had a go. All the best to fellow van builders.👍
Engines and anything can be repaired. You could get your van written off the day you put it on the road and possibly not get back what it’s cost to build so don’t be scared of putting in what you need to make it yours. A good built cosy motorhome is worth repairing if the engine pops but maintain it as it should be.
You're not using a vapor barrier? I am both shocked and disgusted. I bid you good day sir.
Nice video again mate.
If you start it at 9:54 and you have no context, it sounds proper funny.
Does a semi vapour barrier count? 🤔😁 You shouldn't be skipping any sections of the video mate, you should be enjoying every minute of me being on your telly! 😄😜
Great job
I'm at about the same stage with mine and I know what he means about the great wall of china. I went for thicker insulation, but that means a LOT more bo
Batoning...dont I know it! Regarding the vapour barrier, I totally agree, if you can get it 100% hermetically sealed, what's the point. I think allowing it to breath may be the better option...only time will tell? Mines a L3 H2 relay, by the way. Regards Mick
Hermetically sealed... Thank you, that was the terminology I should have used. 😊👍Being the L2H2 version I've tried my best to find balance between decent insulation and minimum encroachment inside the living area. It's going to be a squeeze for the three of us in there. L3H2 opens up so more possibilities I believe and was what we wanted originally but this van of ours popped up for the right money. Best of luck building your own wall (van)! 😁🧱
@@PilgrimPods I was going to go for the L4, but parking becomes a problem in supermarkets etc. Look forward to following your build, I have the bell now! I'm just about to put a 400 x 400 midi heki type roof light in, but not sure what size batons to use for the frame. Any suggestions? Guess it depends on roof baton sizes and insulation thickness?
L4H3 opens up a world of possibilities. 😊 If ever we decided to take a year out of work to travel we'd consider something bigger but that's a few years off. I can't recall the exact size wood we used for the framing. I remember the plan was to shape the frame to fit to the corrugated roof and sit flush with the internal rib. I ended up using a 12mm batten across the ribs for the ceiling to attach to meaning I've had to pack the frame out by the same depth in this video in preparation for the next stage. I'll measure up the frame tomorrow and drop the measurements here. We bought the wood from Wickes I know that much. We do have a video of us fitting ours which might interest you. If you haven't guessed already, I try to show folks up close what I'm doing as when I was doing my own research watching videos the person would quite often gloss over what they were doing and not really show you the detail leaving you scratching your head.
@@PilgrimPods thanks very much. Looking at it I think it will have to come level to the rib batons, which are 22mm, then the tongue and grove cladding ...should run smooth. I will check out your other videos. Most I've watched so far (and theres been many) are from greg virgo, the restoration couple and camper vibe, all of which have helped immensely. Are there any that you could recommend? Thanks for the advise, greatly appreciated 👍
@@michealgillman7418 Sir Greg is the go to for most of us I think. Absolutely love his channel and the knowledge he shares even if I don't always agree with him ie vapour barriers and screwing battens to the floor. The advice he shares is amazingly well thought out. He's even created instructional pdfs on some topics and offered them to the community for free where others would try and charge a fee. If there's a task I'm unsure of tackling I just tend to do a TH-cam search, watch a few videos, do a little internet research and then apply my own common sense to what I've learned. I love Camper Vibe too but more so for their vlogs. A channel we've recently discovered and you'll probably find useful if you haven't seen them already is ''Louis The Van'. 👍
How is did the Cork do as insulation?
7:15 .. My van is the opposite, no windows in the back at all ,,,
I'm actually taking out a sliding widow the previous owner put in (Such a shitty job!!!) I cant even explain how bad it was!!! They cut through the roof supports (1994 chevy Step Van)
The back rollip roor is going to be our only "window" :)
Have you found the 25mm insulation enough for winter?
I haven't really been out in it so can't say. 😬
My van is named Halen. 😁
hi i am loookin a buyi g a van to convert 0 so i am lookin g qt freezer van as aready insulated - is this good for camoe van conversion
Vapour barriers are used to stop moisture gaining access from the outside of a building that is built with bricks etc that let moisture through. You see this on timber framed buildings and it’s effective. A van is metal so it can’t let moisture through (unless it’s basically a rusty holed sieve) so no need for a vapour barrier. The most important aspect that a camper needs is adequate ventilation and obviously correct insulation. No ventilation and there is nowhere for the moisture accumulated in the van to go and your van materials absorb it and rot. My opinion but my van is not getting a vapour barrier.
What about dew points? You’ll get condensation built on the metal. That’s why you need a thermal barrier to cushion that from happening😊
aka van helsing eh? but you got better as you progressed ...... right! :D yeh, now the name of the cheap an cheerful insulation was? says he
Van Helsing? Nah, pure coincidence! 😜 Check out the description for what we used here in Blighty, you'll no doubt be able to find an Aussie equivalent. 👍 Best of luck with the continued van search. You and yours stay safe too and have yourselves a great Christmas! 🙂
7:50 .. look up the truth about reflective bubble wrap?? .. It does NOTHING for Vans!! !! .. Not joking ... look it up! ! :(
I'm not sure what you are reading, but just from a basic physics point of view, I don't think that's true. If you can provide a link that would be awesome.
Anything foil-based when heat hits it will reflect it back. This is how 99% of physics is applied when building a home and insulation. Insulation has a foiled backing which is pretty much the same principle
You need a haircut
Yes I do! 😄🍻