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Loved this! So well done. One of my favorite bio pics is "Why Do Fools Fall in Love," about his life. But it doesn't get into his "mothers," like this does. It's an important aspect. He was a baby and was being groomed and abused although he didn't even realize it. I hope that his soul is resting in peace.
I’m so sad for him. Hooked on heroine at 15, grown women old enough to be his mother assaulting him, greedy managers and producers just wanting to use his talent for their own benefit and not helping nurture him. Every adult in his life were predators.They should all be ashamed of themselves.
He sex trafficked little girls when he was only 11 years old and used the money he made from that to smoke weed. Any sympathy I might have had for him immediately left after that.
Wow! He basically was being molested by older women. If he were a little girl and was sleeping with men two times his age people would be upset, but because it’s a boy folks think he is lucky to have an older woman. This kid’s life was doomed from the start. Working a full time job at 10 years old, we’re there not any labor laws back then? I know there were some because the record companies had to have a lawyer and a guardian representing the child’s interest and make sure they only worked a certain amount of hours. Dead at 25, he went through so much in his young life. The movie about his life was good and looks pretty accurate. Another child star tragedy, sad, so much remiss if he could’ve stayed out of his own way. I love Goody, Goody and ABC…RIP young brotha
Your just complaining about a phenomenon that is just the way it is, and has always been. Any 15 yr old young man would be tickled to death to have the romantic attention of an "experienced" attractive older woman. A fair amount of 15 yr old girls might feel taken advantage of by an older male and might even try to get him into trouble if he made advances toward her, so no matter what you would like to think, the genders are NOT the same. So the double standard is not something that has just been dreamed up, it clearly has validity. Males and females are just different when it comes to this issue. Accept it.
When his voice changed it was fantastic. But like you said in the video nobody wanted to work with them to get his voice prime. His voice was really good. When he got older it was deep. He was definitely a baritone to listen to his last two recordings before he passed, you can hear it. His voice was chilling
Usher had his first single at like 14 or 15 and then puberty happened and his voice changed and nobody wanted to work with him because he didn’t have that cutesy voice anymore. When he met Justin he immediately got him a voice coach and let him know hey he’s 15 his voice is going to change Help with that transition.
Greedy music producers stealing from talented men of color is a tale as old as time. Sad this young brother got screwed over in life so bad, it couldn’t have been easy being a young black boy in the industry back then. While it’s true his own vices were his undoing, I still wish that someone was there to stand up for him when he needed it.
My father was the man who introduced Frankie to the 3rd woman that he married. My father and Frankie were bunkies in the Vietnam war for exactly 2 years from 1965-1967. He slept on the top bunk. My dad told me he was addicted to drugs.
So many African-American singers started in a church choir, but went secular, and ended up on the bottle, the needle, or snorting nose candy, then dead and gone. Why? "You can't serve two masters."😔
He probably is don't let the entertainment industry fool you.... He's related to someone in the industry and probably faked his death to sell more records!
seems that way but no. Frankie knew what he was doing. He was wayyyyy before his time. mentally he was older than the women he was with tbh. He went after these women.
Horrible people they were ...used and abuse this young man...I always loved Frankie's music..didn't know he went through such pain..rip Frankie lymon🙏🏾💔🕊
ITS SO TRAGIC, THIS YOUNG MAN HAD TO GROW UP TOO FAST , SEEMS LIKE HIS CHILDHOOD STOPPED AT 10. OH MY GOSH OLDER WOMEN KNEW BETTER. SMH. THAT POOR YOUNG MAN, FORCED INTO ADULTHOOD.
The kind of older women he was messing with weren't typical motherly older women, they were often women of loose morals or fallen women who were immature, weak- minded, childish and moronic for their ages.
It was a different time. Youre acting like this was 2020. You think he was the only boy working at 10? Its good for them. You ever notice when we stopped allowing child labor. Gangs popped up. These kids will make money by hook or by crook.
@@JohnGalt916 If Frankie had been a star today in 2023 the women who was sexually involved with him would've been arrested and imprisoned for statutory rape.
@@JohnGalt916absolutely. Especially public school systems. Makes the kids rotten. Hanging around bunches of children all day. They need to learn work and responsibility. It will cut out more than half the bs.
That's why if you noticed from an excerpt from Dick Clark's "Saturday Night Beechnut Show" in 1958, the white girls in the audience seemingly didn't look too enthused, even though you can tell that they probably wanted to jump up on the stage and grab, hug and kiss him. They were likely instructed not to show any excitement; that would have been considered shocking in 1958, a bunch of white girls screaming over a young black man. That wasn't uncommon back then: just a year earlier, Frankie was seen on TV dancing with a white girl on a popular dance show, "The Big Beat" at the time. The show was canceled two weeks later. When black singers-especially if they were men- appeared as guest stars on popular dance shows of the era the studios were very careful to be sure that white girls were to express no kind of emotion for them unlike white male singers, whom they would openly scream and swoon over. This shows the rampant racism that existed in the music industry back then.
The audience on the Dick Clark show weren't enthused because Frankie's version of Little Bitty Pretty One was not good. At least two other versions were out. Bobby Byrd's(the original) and Thurston Harris' version. Both were hits. Frankie was not doing the type of material that made him famous. Plus I have never seen women rush the stage and grab a performer on a Dick Clark show. It's always a controlled environment.
@@r.jackson7162 No, But I'll betcha they wanted to. But given the time period, it would have still been considered shocking for white girls to be screaming over a black man, especially in the South at that time. Channels back then, like they do today, had southern affiliates, and they had to please them; white kids were watching the show in the South too, so the producers had to be careful that they didn't show anything on TV that might have been viewed as "offensive" to the racial norms of the time. One of those "norms" was that white girls did not openly fawn and swoon over black male singers, especially in public, no matter how they felt about them personally.
@@dariapoklemba2150 It was definitely a different world back then. If Frankie had been a star in today's world, those white girls would have been all over him and no one would have said a word.
@@jashary15 They may have wanted to but honestly Little Bitty Pretty One wouldn't be the inspiration for it. If it was one of the Teenagers songs definitely. And don't blame "southern" tv affiliates for their actions. Northern stations were just as bad. Bandstand wasn't integrated until the mid 60s. The audience can clap and scream but no rushing the stage whether it was Frankie Avalon or Lymon. Even Ed Sullivan's show was a very controlled environment. If those young ladies wanted to see the African American performers they would have to go where they would hang out like they had been for decades before. The same for Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers.
I happen to find Frankie Lymon,s grave site. He's buried in Saint Raymond,s Cemetery, in Queens, New york. I loved his music through the years, and at age 77 years old I still play his songs.
by the way frank robinson was not totally forgotten, he is still alive today and went to get an education, hes got multiple degrees, he chose on his own to stop music so hed have more time for his schooling. so i would call him one who fell through the cracks and became invisible he went on to do great things and still did music off and on just for fun.
So terrible he lost his oldest brother in 1960 and his mother in1961 everyone thinks his mom died in1960 his brother Howard died in 60 his mother died in 61
What a tragic life 😢 the drug problem has killed many singers I saw pictures of Billy Holiday she passed away at the age of 42. Many black singers struggled with racism, poverty and violence. They got to enjoy life never!!! 😢 They were taken advantage by mangers who stole their money 💰 😢.
My grandfather got the opportunity to perform and tour with the Teenagers a few years ago and that was the first time I heard of them. Such a sad and crazy story but I hope he found peace!
Frankie's story is so heartbreaking and a cautionary tale that demonstrates how remarkable Michael Jackson's own trajectory was. It is EXTREMELY RARE to be a child star and grow up to be a star, let alone a bigger star or, in the case of Michael, one of the biggest and most successful megastars ever, the second most popular person in history. You may have your opinions about Joseph's tactics as a dad, but it's thanks to him that Michael had the longevity and perfectionist drive that he had. He and Katherine should be eternally saluted for how they not only managed to raise 10 kids in a poor black neighborhood notorious for gang violence into superstardom without any of them getting waylaid by drugs and/or crime, but also kept the family together despite lots of acrimony that might have tested the tightest of bonds, particularly in the context of today's divorce-obsessed world of broken and dysfunctional families. I hope Frankie's soul found in death the peace he never quite got to enjoy in life, peace I hope his bastard thieving manager never enjoyed along with any satisfaction from a cent of the money he stole for what he did to Frankie.
I have been saying this same thing - about Joe and Katherine. You said it best. I saw the movie. It was good but depressing. Frankie’s life was so sad. And it was, and probably still is, common to pay artists with drugs. I really felt bad for the Teenagers. I hope that scum manager got his as well.
I actually don’t agree. I understand the logic but let’s be honest, Joseph was a tyrant and the mother was a door mat. I even heard he was sexually abusive to the girls. Just because we see the legacy does not mean the journey was justified
Its so much in this story, one not properly guiding a youth who was already experiencing adult matters. Seeing his potential they were more about business then protecting a 14 year old. The difference between him and Michael, his voice changed but got better with the right vocal coach. And having his family protect him. I've seen videos of Frankie Lumina as a solo artist and he was amazing. Even though he had a fatal ending he is still remembered today as one of the greatest.
Can you imagine being that young and refuse intercourse with girls your age because they didn't know anything about life? That is some twilight zone stuff. Good video. Hope to see more.
this is one of the saddest stories ive ever heard of a child star i can't imagine being a child and having a drug addiction i don't understand why nobody tried to get him any help
I loved Frankie Lymon and the teenagers. It was my time growing up. I still to this day don't forgive him for leaving this world so young and so talented. I loved all their music.
So sad at age of 25 Frankie Lymon's life was so short. He must didn't have an childhood. Wow I didn't know about the true story of him besides married 3 women never divorced
Oh my gosh, your story is so much sadder than the movie that they made. I love that movie and this makes me so sad for him people who love music so much when they are told they can’t do it anymore or they are washed up. It’s so sad come to this, and he never got to see the fruits of his labor.
He really should have been one of the biggest stars that we've ever seen and very wealthy. He was supremely talented but took on too much at a young age. He needed a few more breaks.
I really love him. He has a special place in my heart and I hope his legacy continues. What talent and what an entertainer. You just can't teach that, you gotta be born with his kind of soul and style. Love his smile.
I can't help but SCREAM!! This WAS A LITTLE 13 YEAR OLD CHILD WHERE WERE HIS PARENTS?????? They themselves were Musicians which means that they Knew & Understood just how bad & cruel that kind of life is surely they Understood how evil & wicked people in that line of work can be. So many times when i hear his story there's none or very little mentioning of his parents in his life... He was only 13 they should've been there or somewhere around, it's just sad so so sad every time i hear his story... He was only 13. 😢😭
So sad all these older women slept with a child then wonder why he got addicted to drugs..so sad..think of your 14 year old child and older women sleeping with him ugggh
He was living fast. Plus sleeping with those grown women. He was not the only man they would have been sleeping with. STIs always existed. He was sure brave.
Hey man! Sure these videos take a while to make, just wanted to say I hope you’re making more! I’d love to learn more about this era! I’ve always loved older music & always knew Lyman’s name as well as his songs, & loved them! I remember when I first heard Why Do Fools Fall in Love I thought it was a woman singing & was so shocked to see a young kid! Keep up the good work, will be subscribing & waiting for more!
he didnt lose his voice ! god it so tragic, i cannot understand for the life of me whey people felt that way about him.... because he had an amazing adult voice ! the songs; im sorry, and seabreeze, just name a couple of great ones and even the songs he did as an older teen, he had an amazing voice all his life, its too bad no one wanted to just let him keep going, he would have been huge ! he should have been, like, the 6th temptation ( instead of the temptations being a 5 man group they could have had him as a 6th), or something.
With drugs, it probably did an affect but he hit puberty cause he was young but it’s business, MJ was the only kid that really didn’t decline because of that cause he did crossover, Foster Sylver was a product of puberty.
I remember Frankie from back in the day. Teenagers loved the group. Where were the parents. He was too young to be on his own. Poor child. He always could song
Well researched and interesting. If I had made the video though, I would have at least had a few little short snippets of him singing though. That would have made the video even more professional and actually perfect.
Also he was a major influence on Smokey Robinson, Ronnie Spector (RIP) of The Ronettes, and Why Do Fools Fall In Love was also covered by The Beach Boys and featured in American Graffitti. He was inducted posthomously in 1987 along with Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, and Jackie Wilson and only Smokey was alive to get his trophy. The other Teenagers were later inducted. Also in another documentary about them, so many record companies tried to create boybands but none of them were as successful. The Schoolboys, Students, Ronnie & The Hi Lites and Louis Lymon (HIs Brother's Group), but none went far.
Great story! I saw the the movie starring Lorenz Tate, and to be honest you revealed things that the movie didn’t. He was dating grown ass women. Wow! They left that part out - among other things.
I asked my father who is older than frankie, did he know who frankie was, it took my dad a minute to remember but he only remembered him with the teenagers, my dad didn't even know he had a solo career. So guess he messed up leaving the teenagers
This poor kid had it hard growing up then to pass at 25 you can see that the white girls really couldn’t show that they loved his music because racism was so bad
You have some of the story mixed up. The group sang under Richard Barrett's ( not Barnet) window and he would chase them away. Barrett liked their sound and brought them to Goldner. When the group went to sing for Goldner the lead singer was sick and the reason Frankie sang lead is because he knew the words to the song. Teen groups already existed prior to the Teenagers like The Mello Moods and the Castelles.
Yeah but the casttelles and mellowmoods had a mature R and B sound to them , the teenagers had that bubblegum fun doowop sound that the kids liked , even me I started out with the groups like the teenagers and other little boy lead groups................took a while to develop a taste for the Castelles , mellowmoods, five keys , swallows , Clyde mcphatter , vibranaires , five diamonds , carnations ,five emeralds etc.....................Erik
They do this to so many groups...never go solo until its the right time ... some ppl are better in groups everyone isn't cut out to be a solo act...Frankie was fantastic and cute but he needed to be with others not by himself
just watched his performance of “ little bitty pretty one “ and that crowd was awful he and alot of african americans shouldn’t have had to deal with that but he killed that performance despite it all.
This is one of the saddest stories of doo-wop music ever how this boy came up in his youth in the tough Harlem streets got used by GEE music, didn’t get paid his fair share and passed away from heron overdose is so devastating. He didn’t even get to be a child which is the fucked up part.
Well, show business is not an easy business, especially for a child. When a child, unsupervised by mature, responsible adults and mentors is constantly surrounded by corrupt, immoral adults doing all sorts of evil things, they are not going to be children for long. They're going to wind up doing things with adults that no child-entertainer or otherwise-should be doing. Eventually, by the time they reach adulthood, if they even live that long, they're probably going to wind up like Frankie, a spent-up has-been before he was even 20 and dead by 25, who never had the chance to grow up as a normal, healthy child, teenager and young adult because the negative adult influences around him wouldn't let him.
I’m so mad at the way “The Biz” treated this young man… they built him up just to drop him like a bad habit!!! Shit like this still goes on in entertainment.. just sad and tragic 🙏🏾
Artists are so precious they should be protected by the government since they are rare…unfortunately human beings are greedy and would not stop to anything to get to economic gain. We have seen too many times how record companies or dishonest and unreliable managers have taken advantages of the music business..We lost so many good artists, it is the same old sad story.
So teenage star from the rough side of the tracks Major star in America Signed to a bunch of sleazy creeps Opioid addiction Basically r***d by older women Am I the only one seeing Wayne Parallels. Like dude was a more tragic Lil Wayne
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Check out little Ray Jimenez of Los Angeles
He is a Mexican American teen idol
All though he wasn't mainstream
Clarence Carter, ok
Loved this! So well done. One of my favorite bio pics is "Why Do Fools Fall in Love," about his life. But it doesn't get into his "mothers," like this does. It's an important aspect. He was a baby and was being groomed and abused although he didn't even realize it. I hope that his soul is resting in peace.
Are you making this with AI Reading?
No not Blackballed more like whiteballed
My dad used to say, the worst thing you can do for a young man. Is, to give him what he wants women and riches. He will always self destruct.
Everything we doing we need to be guided and once we are guided we are safe. Simple!
Especially when he’s a child.
Giving a young man anything too easily is a detriment to him reaching his full potential. I definitely agree.
I think most people that get famous don’t realize once they get to the top, they’ll eventually have to figure out how to climb down without falling.
I'd say any man of any age. Ask my father who was in his 50s when this happened. He thought he was Hugh Hefner.
I’m so sad for him. Hooked on heroine at 15, grown women old enough to be his mother assaulting him, greedy managers and producers just wanting to use his talent for their own benefit and not helping nurture him. Every adult in his life were predators.They should all be ashamed of themselves.
I was looking to see if anyone touched on the fact that he was abused in every way, and you did just that. Great comment! He had no chance whatsoever.
He sex trafficked little girls when he was only 11 years old and used the money he made from that to smoke weed. Any sympathy I might have had for him immediately left after that.
@@l-jg9lp It’s literally in the video bud.
@@l-jg9lpIt’s the first five minutes of the video.
@LetGo0007 he said women. They didn't say girls. People older than him!
Wow, he was a kid and never knew what being a child was. People just used him and that's evil.
That’s the music business. Didn’t the same thing happen to Tevin Campbell?
Sad to say most kids were uses back then just so their family could make ends meet, goes back to Shirley Temple, Judy Garland, an etc.
Not as evil as hustling prostitutes.
Yup!
@@CrayZJo3Davola Yes, it was worst. But not as bad as GROWN John's and GROWN prostitutes.
Wow! He basically was being molested by older women. If he were a little girl and was sleeping with men two times his age people would be upset, but because it’s a boy folks think he is lucky to have an older woman. This kid’s life was doomed from the start. Working a full time job at 10 years old, we’re there not any labor laws back then? I know there were some because the record companies had to have a lawyer and a guardian representing the child’s interest and make sure they only worked a certain amount of hours. Dead at 25, he went through so much in his young life. The movie about his life was good and looks pretty accurate. Another child star tragedy, sad, so much remiss if he could’ve stayed out of his own way. I love Goody, Goody and ABC…RIP young brotha
Let's be real, if genders were reversed people would still find a way to blame the victim. Society hates SA victims.
Your just complaining about a phenomenon that is just the way it is, and has always been. Any 15 yr old young man would be tickled to death to have the romantic attention of an "experienced" attractive older woman. A fair amount of 15 yr old girls might feel taken advantage of by an older male and might even try to get him into trouble if he made advances toward her, so no matter what you would like to think, the genders are NOT the same. So the double standard is not something that has just been dreamed up, it clearly has validity. Males and females are just different when it comes to this issue. Accept it.
What's different yesterday from today as for labor law little children of slavery was working the problem today as old is selfish people
He really missed out on being a kid every child needs to be a kids doing kid stuff it's so sad he money and everything but no child's play
You may want to research Shirley temple’s story. 😢it was really sad too, much like this story. The industry is sick.
When his voice changed it was fantastic. But like you said in the video nobody wanted to work with them to get his voice prime. His voice was really good. When he got older it was deep. He was definitely a baritone to listen to his last two recordings before he passed, you can hear it. His voice was chilling
Yeah sea breeze is eerie
Usher had his first single at like 14 or 15 and then puberty happened and his voice changed and nobody wanted to work with him because he didn’t have that cutesy voice anymore. When he met Justin he immediately got him a voice coach and let him know hey he’s 15 his voice is going to change Help with that transition.
@@ComeliaO7diddy got his hands on him
Greedy music producers stealing from talented men of color is a tale as old as time. Sad this young brother got screwed over in life so bad, it couldn’t have been easy being a young black boy in the industry back then. While it’s true his own vices were his undoing, I still wish that someone was there to stand up for him when he needed it.
Always has been, and always will be
Why make it about colour lol, they'll steal from anybody regardless of race.
My father was the man who introduced Frankie to the 3rd woman that he married. My father and Frankie were bunkies in the Vietnam war for exactly 2 years from 1965-1967. He slept on the top bunk. My dad told me he was addicted to drugs.
Yo for real? Was it your father’s sister in law?
@@SteveMcfaul true story. No.
Wow
That’s it?? You didn’t ask him any other questions
@@Chiraqforensics Not that I recall
So many African-American singers started in a church choir, but went secular, and ended up on the bottle, the needle, or snorting nose candy, then dead and gone. Why? "You can't serve two masters."😔
Amennnnn 🙏🏽
We al serve two let's be honest.
@@fucker661what's the two ?
Always go home with who brought you to the dance
@@fucker661no, no we don’t
My favorite song he sang was "Goody goody". Anybody else like that song?
I like that song
Love it
One of my favorite songs, I love singing it
@@nenep1872 I love singing along too!
It was my introduction to him
He looks like he could have been Nat King Cole's son
He probably is don't let the entertainment industry fool you.... He's related to someone in the industry and probably faked his death to sell more records!
Yeah hes probably related, cant get anywhere without being of the bloodline but not that faking his own death mess @@Coco-xw3wp
Poor Frankie was molested by women unbeknownst to his parents. He was so cute and his voice was so...there's no words.
Them women let him fk stop with this new school non sense bruh grow up
@kauciontheboss you sick pervert. Would you say that if the roles were reversed? Those women preyed on him and plies him with drugs.
seems that way but no. Frankie knew what he was doing. He was wayyyyy before his time. mentally he was older than the women he was with tbh. He went after these women.
THATS MADNESS & INCORRECT, FRANKIE WAS A MAN AT THE AGE 11.
Unfortunately..He kept doing it he knew what he wanted to do 😂
He died an addict and broke...But the record producers are still making money off of his voice to this day...
One of the saddest stories of one of the most talented in the business. 🙏☮️💖
The ultimate investment, 😢unfortunately. I wonder why things haven't changed yet?
Horrible people they were ...used and abuse this young man...I always loved Frankie's music..didn't know he went through such pain..rip Frankie lymon🙏🏾💔🕊
ITS SO TRAGIC, THIS YOUNG MAN HAD TO GROW UP TOO FAST , SEEMS LIKE HIS CHILDHOOD STOPPED AT 10. OH MY GOSH OLDER WOMEN KNEW BETTER. SMH. THAT POOR YOUNG MAN, FORCED INTO ADULTHOOD.
The kind of older women he was messing with weren't typical motherly older women, they were often women of loose morals or fallen women who were immature, weak- minded, childish and moronic for their ages.
It was a different time. Youre acting like this was 2020. You think he was the only boy working at 10? Its good for them. You ever notice when we stopped allowing child labor. Gangs popped up. These kids will make money by hook or by crook.
@@JohnGalt916 If Frankie had been a star today in 2023 the women who was sexually involved with him would've been arrested and imprisoned for statutory rape.
@@JohnGalt916absolutely. Especially public school systems. Makes the kids rotten. Hanging around bunches of children all day. They need to learn work and responsibility. It will cut out more than half the bs.
And he was dying inside until finally really died too sad
You gotta admit he was tenacious🎉 Rest Well Frankie Lymon
Rip Frankie 👑
He was tough. It just got to be too much for him.
That's why if you noticed from an excerpt from Dick Clark's "Saturday Night Beechnut Show" in 1958, the white girls in the audience seemingly didn't look too enthused, even though you can tell that they probably wanted to jump up on the stage and grab, hug and kiss him. They were likely instructed not to show any excitement; that would have been considered shocking in 1958, a bunch of white girls screaming over a young black man.
That wasn't uncommon back then: just a year earlier, Frankie was seen on TV dancing with a white girl on a popular dance show, "The Big Beat" at the time. The show was canceled two weeks later. When black singers-especially if they were men- appeared as guest stars on popular dance shows of the era the studios were very careful to be sure that white girls were to express no kind of emotion for them unlike white male singers, whom they would openly scream and swoon over. This shows the rampant racism that existed in the music industry back then.
The audience on the Dick Clark show weren't enthused because Frankie's version of Little Bitty Pretty One was not good. At least two other versions were out. Bobby Byrd's(the original) and Thurston Harris' version. Both were hits.
Frankie was not doing the type of material that made him famous.
Plus I have never seen women rush the stage and grab a performer on a Dick Clark show. It's always a controlled environment.
@@r.jackson7162 No, But I'll betcha they wanted to. But given the time period, it would have still been considered shocking for white girls to be screaming over a black man, especially in the South at that time. Channels back then, like they do today, had southern affiliates, and they had to please them; white kids were watching the show in the South too, so the producers had to be careful that they didn't show anything on TV that might have been viewed as "offensive" to the racial norms of the time. One of those "norms" was that white girls did not openly fawn and swoon over black male singers, especially in public, no matter how they felt about them personally.
I noticed that as well
@@dariapoklemba2150 It was definitely a different world back then. If Frankie had been a star in today's world, those white girls would have been all over him and no one would have said a word.
@@jashary15 They may have wanted to but honestly Little Bitty Pretty One wouldn't be the inspiration for it. If it was one of the Teenagers songs definitely.
And don't blame "southern" tv affiliates for their actions. Northern stations were just as bad. Bandstand wasn't integrated until the mid 60s.
The audience can clap and scream but no rushing the stage whether it was Frankie Avalon or Lymon. Even Ed Sullivan's show was a very controlled environment.
If those young ladies wanted to see the African American performers they would have to go where they would hang out like they had been for decades before.
The same for Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers.
I remember as a young lad watching him. Me and my sister were stuck sing his songs. We loved him and he is an unsung legend that should be celebrated.
Damn he was only 25 when he died!? That's crazy
Which wasn't as bad since most people at that time didn't really make it to 40 let alone 45+
@@toomuchcringe-bm1lxthat’s still 20 years?
@@jamaisvx 20 years is short when you look at today's society where 100 is possible but we mostly stop at 60-75
About thr same age as Tupac and Biggie.
@@timhoward5Yep! And like Amy Winehouse, Jim Morrison, and River Phoenix, to name a few more.
Makes me angry, all these parasites taking advantage of many artists. Levy made thousands and millions while this young man struggled😢
That's what happens when you accept gifts of fame from satan
He owns it & the payback is ALWAYS your Life......
@@Early-fe6dhSatan isn’t real. You’re insane. I’d tell you to seek help but you’ll never do that 🙄
He and the Teenagers are such unsung heros influences in music.
I happen to find Frankie Lymon,s grave site. He's buried in Saint Raymond,s Cemetery, in Queens, New york. I loved his music through the years, and at age 77 years old I still play his songs.
That’s all pretty cool.
I love his music and his voice
So much talent so sad
How he passed rip young king
by the way frank robinson was not totally forgotten, he is still alive today and went to get an education, hes got multiple degrees, he chose on his own to stop music so hed have more time for his schooling. so i would call him one who fell through the cracks and became invisible he went on to do great things and still did music off and on just for fun.
I saw the movie "Why do fools fall in love" twice years ago, but i had no idea Frankie Lymon was only 25 when he died.
He looked a lot older, maybe 32
Please don't stop with these videos. Looking forward to see your channel grow..
thank you, I was so close to quitting
@@EchoesFromThePast_ don't you dare quit on us!!!! Ready for the next one!!!
✨Rest in Peace Frankie 🙏🏼✨
This pissed me off so much. How can people be so heartless?
Life isn’t always fair
So terrible he lost his oldest brother in 1960 and his mother in1961 everyone thinks his mom died in1960 his brother Howard died in 60 his mother died in 61
Thanks for the info
@@rucianapollard7098 Your welcome
What a tragic life 😢 the drug problem has killed many singers I saw pictures of Billy Holiday she passed away at the age of 42. Many black singers struggled with racism, poverty and violence. They got to enjoy life never!!! 😢 They were taken advantage by mangers who stole their money 💰 😢.
They never got to enjoy life it a very difficult life for black singers 😢.
DAM.. HE REALLY HAD 304s IN EVERY AREA CODE. RIP NATE DOGG AND FRANKIE. 🙏
Gifted Soul & Precious Man~ RIP Frankie~You did the very best you could ! Love, Light & Hugs {beautiful boy) 🥰😇☀️🤩🦋
It's a heart-wrenching story for such a talented young man. 🙏☮️💖
My grandfather got the opportunity to perform and tour with the Teenagers a few years ago and that was the first time I heard of them. Such a sad and crazy story but I hope he found peace!
I love the movie Why Do Fools Fall In Love. I’ve always been intrigued by his story 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Frankie's story is so heartbreaking and a cautionary tale that demonstrates how remarkable Michael Jackson's own trajectory was. It is EXTREMELY RARE to be a child star and grow up to be a star, let alone a bigger star or, in the case of Michael, one of the biggest and most successful megastars ever, the second most popular person in history.
You may have your opinions about Joseph's tactics as a dad, but it's thanks to him that Michael had the longevity and perfectionist drive that he had. He and Katherine should be eternally saluted for how they not only managed to raise 10 kids in a poor black neighborhood notorious for gang violence into superstardom without any of them getting waylaid by drugs and/or crime, but also kept the family together despite lots of acrimony that might have tested the tightest of bonds, particularly in the context of today's divorce-obsessed world of broken and dysfunctional families.
I hope Frankie's soul found in death the peace he never quite got to enjoy in life, peace I hope his bastard thieving manager never enjoyed along with any satisfaction from a cent of the money he stole for what he did to Frankie.
very sad
I totally agree with you about Joe & Katherine.
Jackson Five FOREVER ❤❤
I have been saying this same thing - about Joe and Katherine. You said it best. I saw the movie. It was good but depressing. Frankie’s life was so sad. And it was, and probably still is, common to pay artists with drugs. I really felt bad for the Teenagers. I hope that scum manager got his as well.
Exactly 💯 well said 🙌
I actually don’t agree. I understand the logic but let’s be honest, Joseph was a tyrant and the mother was a door mat. I even heard he was sexually abusive to the girls. Just because we see the legacy does not mean the journey was justified
RIP Frankie Lymon
I can't wait to see what this channel grows into. I wish you the best of luck
Every time I hear his story it breaks my heart.
I enjoyed this tale along with your oration. Thank you!
Its so much in this story, one not properly guiding a youth who was already experiencing adult matters. Seeing his potential they were more about business then protecting a 14 year old. The difference between him and Michael, his voice changed but got better with the right vocal coach. And having his family protect him. I've seen videos of Frankie Lumina as a solo artist and he was amazing. Even though he had a fatal ending he is still remembered today as one of the greatest.
I remember a group in the 90s called hi-five that had the same tragedy.
I was in high school when Hi Five was popular
Love that group
They sound familiar I was born in 85
wait I'm born in 2005 and I've heard of it but I feel like it was a show
@@heyheylistennow 90s R&B Group Hi-Five (not the kids learning show Hi-5).
I always thought Frankie exhibited the physical signs/traits (defects)bof having Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. The poor kid had a hard life.
@@starlightrocks7 ...I'm seeing otherwise.
Can you imagine being that young and refuse intercourse with girls your age because they didn't know anything about life? That is some twilight zone stuff. Good video. Hope to see more.
thank you
He only was 25 R.l.P Frankie Joseph Lymon💙🕊
this is one of the saddest stories ive ever heard of a child star i can't imagine being a child and having a drug addiction i don't understand why nobody tried to get him any help
Frankie was my all time favorite as a kid. This was a quality video dude, can’t wait to see you hit a million subs
Awwwww so proud I get to follow the page from video 1! You are doing great. This was very well done.
Omg that picture of his last tv appearance is scary as hell. 👀🙀
I loved Frankie Lymon and the teenagers. It was my time growing up. I still to this day don't forgive him for leaving this world so young and so talented. I loved all their music.
I see that Frankie was dancing that same dance that Michael Jackson danced, long before Michael Jackson.
So sad at age of 25 Frankie Lymon's life was so short. He must didn't have an childhood. Wow I didn't know about the true story of him besides married 3 women never divorced
Frankie was on a different level
Oh my gosh, your story is so much sadder than the movie that they made. I love that movie and this makes me so sad for him people who love music so much when they are told they can’t do it anymore or they are washed up. It’s so sad come to this, and he never got to see the fruits of his labor.
Great research! Wonderful clips as well.
thank you!
Thank you for this video. I didn't know much of what you covered
He really should have been one of the biggest stars that we've ever seen and very wealthy. He was supremely talented but took on too much at a young age. He needed a few more breaks.
I really love him. He has a special place in my heart and I hope his legacy continues. What talent and what an entertainer. You just can't teach that, you gotta be born with his kind of soul and style. Love his smile.
I can't help but SCREAM!! This WAS A LITTLE 13 YEAR OLD CHILD WHERE WERE HIS PARENTS?????? They themselves were Musicians which means that they Knew & Understood just how bad & cruel that kind of life is surely they Understood how evil & wicked people in that line of work can be. So many times when i hear his story there's none or very little mentioning of his parents in his life... He was only 13 they should've been there or somewhere around, it's just sad so so sad every time i hear his story... He was only 13. 😢😭
So sad all these older women slept with a child then wonder why he got addicted to drugs..so sad..think of your 14 year old child and older women sleeping with him ugggh
This was good! I enjoyed the way this video on Frankie Lymon was put together. Thank you! I'm gonna see what or who else you got mini bios on!
Glad you enjoyed! and more to come check the pinned comment
Don't think he actually "lost" his voice. He could still sing, just in a deeper vocal range.
What a great biography! Good job!!!
He was living fast. Plus sleeping with those grown women. He was not the only man they would have been sleeping with. STIs always existed. He was sure brave.
Hey man! Sure these videos take a while to make, just wanted to say I hope you’re making more! I’d love to learn more about this era! I’ve always loved older music & always knew Lyman’s name as well as his songs, & loved them! I remember when I first heard Why Do Fools Fall in Love I thought it was a woman singing & was so shocked to see a young kid! Keep up the good work, will be subscribing & waiting for more!
Frank was an old soul
he didnt lose his voice ! god it so tragic, i cannot understand for the life of me whey people felt that way about him.... because he had an amazing adult voice ! the songs; im sorry, and seabreeze, just name a couple of great ones and even the songs he did as an older teen, he had an amazing voice all his life, its too bad no one wanted to just let him keep going, he would have been huge ! he should have been, like, the 6th temptation ( instead of the temptations being a 5 man group they could have had him as a 6th), or something.
He needed Joe Jackson. 😑😑
Jackson Five FOREVER ❤❤
With drugs, it probably did an affect but he hit puberty cause he was young but it’s business, MJ was the only kid that really didn’t decline because of that cause he did crossover, Foster Sylver was a product of puberty.
One thing the movie left out is how young Frankie was. Larenz Tate was in his mid-20s when he played Frankie Lymon.
This story is way better than his biopic film
Tate was fantastic in that movie 😊
I from DA.BRONX and I grew up with doo wop and Frankie lymon loved the music he would have been great
I remember Frankie from back in the day. Teenagers loved the group. Where were the parents. He was too young to be on his own. Poor child. He always could song
No one wanted to help him when he was alive though to be able to work. He dies and then gets a star? smh shits wild.
Well researched and interesting. If I had made the video though, I would have at least had a few little short snippets of him singing though. That would have made the video even more professional and actually perfect.
I agree
great video, hoping to see more soon
So sad how even the music business raped and robbed back folks this is beyond words ..R.I.P Frankie❤❤❤
That happens to anyone in the entertainment business. It's an evil business. No one is off limits. Because the devil doesn't care about anyone.
Not just black folks, you shit for brains.
Also he was a major influence on Smokey Robinson, Ronnie Spector (RIP) of The Ronettes, and Why Do Fools Fall In Love was also covered by The Beach Boys and featured in American Graffitti. He was inducted posthomously in 1987 along with Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, and Jackie Wilson and only Smokey was alive to get his trophy. The other Teenagers were later inducted. Also in another documentary about them, so many record companies tried to create boybands but none of them were as successful. The Schoolboys, Students, Ronnie & The Hi Lites and Louis Lymon (HIs Brother's Group), but none went far.
Great story! I saw the the movie starring Lorenz Tate, and to be honest you revealed things that the movie didn’t. He was dating grown ass women. Wow! They left that part out - among other things.
I want another bio about his life.. real life
They literally showed him dating women.
Yea that went over my head too. I didn’t realize they were grown women way older than him.
@@amirahiman5 Right! The film did not emphasize that he was so underage. Today grown people having sex with minors is a crime.
I said the same thing 😂
I love when he sang "little bitty pretty one" and "why do fools fall in love"
I asked my father who is older than frankie, did he know who frankie was, it took my dad a minute to remember but he only remembered him with the teenagers, my dad didn't even know he had a solo career. So guess he messed up leaving the teenagers
Great Video! Echoes From the Past you did an amazing job! ❤
Now that's just sad and he was the same age I am now when he died. Poor kid. Showbiz is just not for everyone.🙏🏽🙏🏽😔😔
Rest in Peace ✌ Frankie 😢
Drugs have absolutely no boundaries nor does it discriminate.
Rest In Heavenly Peace🙏🤍🕊🙏♥️
This poor kid had it hard growing up then to pass at 25 you can see that the white girls really couldn’t show that they loved his music because racism was so bad
You have some of the story mixed up. The group sang under Richard Barrett's ( not Barnet) window and he would chase them away. Barrett liked their sound and brought them to Goldner.
When the group went to sing for Goldner the lead singer was sick and the reason Frankie sang lead is because he knew the words to the song.
Teen groups already existed prior to the Teenagers like The Mello Moods and the Castelles.
Yeah but the casttelles and mellowmoods had a mature R and B sound to them , the teenagers had that bubblegum fun doowop sound that the kids liked , even me I started out with the groups like the teenagers and other little boy lead groups................took a while to develop a taste for the Castelles , mellowmoods, five keys , swallows , Clyde mcphatter , vibranaires , five diamonds , carnations ,five emeralds etc.....................Erik
R.I.P Frankie 🙏🏿
As you can see ALL need God, Yes God. Think of what could have been different.
Drugs were everywhere in the 50’ s
No different today
They do this to so many groups...never go solo until its the right time ... some ppl are better in groups everyone isn't cut out to be a solo act...Frankie was fantastic and cute but he needed to be with others not by himself
just watched his performance of “ little bitty pretty one “ and that crowd was awful he and alot of african americans shouldn’t have had to deal with that but he killed that performance despite it all.
I think a pretty damn epic movie could be made about this guys rise to fame, and the grittyness of how it all went down.
Bruno Mars would be good to play him as he got older
This is one of the saddest stories of doo-wop music ever how this boy came up in his youth in the tough Harlem streets got used by GEE music, didn’t get paid his fair share and passed away from heron overdose is so devastating. He didn’t even get to be a child which is the fucked up part.
Well, show business is not an easy business, especially for a child. When a child, unsupervised by mature, responsible adults and mentors is constantly surrounded by corrupt, immoral adults doing all sorts of evil things, they are not going to be children for long. They're going to wind up doing things with adults that no child-entertainer or otherwise-should be doing. Eventually, by the time they reach adulthood, if they even live that long, they're probably going to wind up like Frankie, a spent-up has-been before he was even 20 and dead by 25, who never had the chance to grow up as a normal, healthy child, teenager and young adult because the negative adult influences around him wouldn't let him.
I’m so mad at the way “The Biz” treated this young man… they built him up just to drop him like a bad habit!!! Shit like this still goes on in entertainment.. just sad and tragic 🙏🏾
loved that this video was made! But the upbeat tune throughout the trageties was so distracting
1:10 the parents group was The Harlemaires not the harmonies....
Artists are so precious they should be protected by the government since they are rare…unfortunately human beings are greedy and would not stop to anything to get to economic gain. We have seen too many times how record companies or dishonest and unreliable managers have taken advantages of the music business..We lost so many good artists, it is the same old sad story.
So teenage star from the rough side of the tracks
Major star in America
Signed to a bunch of sleazy creeps
Opioid addiction
Basically r***d by older women
Am I the only one seeing Wayne Parallels. Like dude was a more tragic Lil Wayne
Great artist I feel like he inspired young boy bands.
Loved the movie .. such a story .. gosh only 25!!
Very sad 😢