This season and especially yesterday , in a number of games . The Refs in charge of VAR , have made so many errors , sorry is not enough anymore . It’s costing teams vital points. Get rid of them, no more protecting the refs
I used to like VAR and the idea of it but it is being managed horribly. If there is going to be this much human error then they should get rid of it, train the refs much more, or use better technology.
Flat-out unacceptable. In addition to holding financial cheaters accountable, the league needs to improve the quality of VAR because it's just as big a threat to the integrity of the competition.
No it isn't, don't be ridiculous. Refereeing errors were always part of the game, you just roll with it. Putting a world beating squad together to win 6 PL titles through financial fraud is a whole other level.
With the Brentford offside goal that stood, the Brighton onside goal that was called offside and the most blatant handball in the West Ham game, it's been a truly terrible weekend for VAR. What makes it worse is all 3 were costly and all 3 were so easy to get right.
It's truly remarkable how the officials in control of VAR are so obviously incompetent. if they worked any other job and made such blunders they'd be fired on the spot.
Corruption at it's best, does it give us our 3 points no. Nobody held accountable, it's only the teams who are punished. Sack the lot of them and start again
@@finnmoran Haha couple of slaps will do, but on a serious note, everytime I’ve gone into the VAR building, it’s full of people who don’t look like they’ve played football
I think every single team has suffered due to the current poor implementation of VAR. What's the point of it when most fans can guess these incorrect decisions correctly in real-time from seeing one or two replays, but the five officials in the VAR room with every angle and perspective available still get it wrong after upwards of 3 minutes of deliberation?
Yep like how Robb Liverpool of 3 points at the emirates right!!imagine that hand ball and saka was offside but guess what I’m 10th and not complaining take ur fingers out and move on
Trust me mate. I'm a swans fan. I remember pre VAR Burnley won a penalty against us when Sam Vokes handled in our box. And the only solution I could come up with was Same Vokes is Welsh therefore it's a penalty against the Welsh side. It's become ironic how well pretty much all other sports are refereed, but the biggest of them all is a shambles.
@@aron4795 you are deluded. Former referees have said it should have been a penalty. Think you should read the rules. He had no reason to dive like that. He's thrown himself to the floor in a way that GK do to make themselves as big as possible. No rule changes have been made to make it legal.
@@aron4795it doesn’t matter who is the victim of those shambolic decisions it’s a damn disgrace that the refs are being paid and still take such decisions
@@nathanings3570 he breaks his fall with his arm, thats literally the rule. Funny that I only hear people moaning when it happens to Chelsea and not to other clubs
This happens far too often to every team in the league. Rivals or not, everyone needs to unite and call onto this BS because for the 'best league in the world', this is unacceptable. Referees need to start answering for their crimes!
I agree it was a penalty, but handballs have exceptions to the rule so mistakes are bound to always happen. However, the ones with Arsenal and Brighton are mistakes with offside. There should never be mistakes with offside/onside because a player is either 100% on or 100% off no exceptions. Highlighting the mistakes with offside (which should never happen) is more important to look at and fix compared to mistakes with handballs and fouls which happen all the time.
Yeah I agree, Rashford was clearly offside and interfering with the play shielding it and almost shooting it twice before Bruno asked him to leave it so he could have a goal. Yeah VAR has ruined it, city could have won that game the way it was going.
How many times will the PGMOL have to admit serious error made against them this season. I don't blame fans for believing there is a conspiracy against Arsenal
@@samking5101 yes, but things such as fouls and handballs are down to interpretation. Not even checking for offside is something far more sinister. There were 3 instances in one phase of play which should have disllowed that goal - how can that be incompetence? Not to mention it wasn't even a foul which led to the goal.
So Arsenal should have won, Brighton should have won and Chelsea should have had a penalty. What if the teams affected had been in the relegation zone? I think we get more mistakes now than we ever did before VAR. These officials are deciding where teams finish in the league which is just plain wrong. The fans need to see what is happening in the VAR room when an incident occurs.
@@bramvanderpas4191 Many many thanks for the extremely insightful comment. Maybe I should have phrased it ‘worse’ mistakes. Using VAR was supposed to completely eradicate all errors, was it not?
These are ambitious teams we’re talking about here, one going for the title and the other gunning for European competition for the first time ever in their history, this is totally unacceptable man! This is the second time it’s happening to arsenal this season..
I've lost hope in VAR in English Premier League. I have given up. I WILL NEVER agree that VAR lines can be forgetten where you want to establish offside and possible goal! Those are unbelievable lies. Clearly someone is try to fabricate an exciting run in and help teams catch up on to Arsenal. And they've done a great job of that!! And it's not over! Majority of why EPL is respected, is because there are men responsible to ensure the run in is as exciting as possible. Unfortunately that comes at a huge cost for many teams who have to be punished unfairly with clear wins taken from them as we've seen. Newcastle consider 2 clear penalties that were not given to Arsenal. And some people stupidly start talking about things evening out in the end! What load of rubbish! Utter rubbish. VAR is simply there to ensure fairness. Draw lines for ffs! What ele se are you doing there! Pause, rewind, put lines and rotate. If your not sure, ask the referee to go over and see for themselves! What's difficult about that? They suspended the same gay not long ago! Why are people surprised? PGMLo os just taking one for the team with this stupid explanation. You're embarrassing yourselves! Shame on you! So much for the best league in the world! We know the difference now and we know how that's achieved.
2 things, Firstly VAR should be limited to a 15 second review, if its clear and obvious then it's spot spotable in that timeframe, no more mucking about with lines for millimeters in offside decision. Secondly VAR should only be used on a managers challenge you get 2 per game.
They admitted it but it won't stop them from doing it again... There being paid to draw lines like nursery children... and still can't do it... That's 5 points minimum they've cost us...
It depends. What's happening about it, admitting a mistake is fine but how are they going to fix these mistakes going forward. It'll be the exact same people making the exact same decisions next week, people making these mistakes need some kind of accountability. If I make basic errors repeatedly at my job I get fired, reprimanded and lose bonuses. These people get protected and get straight back to work.
Mr. Wenger fought so hard against other EPL clubs to bring in VAR to EPL who wanted to stop it. Despite so many bad decisions against us I still think Arsenal is better off with it than without it. The Automated Offside tracker worked well at the WC ...hopefully clubs like us would take the leadership to bring it to the League ASAP.
@@Forcedmonkey seriously man, I wish I was a ref at the top level, the pay is pretty good, 0 accountability, can’t say anything to me as I can flash out cards or my bosses can fine the players/managers/clubs. It’s an emperors job right now.
So players and managers get fined for speaking out and all of that so what about refs is there any accountability for them making shocking decisions like they over and over again??
It’s claimed we live in a democracy but we clearly don’t. Players and managers get the book thrown at them whenever they respond and talk about mistakes from the refs, yet all the refs ever seem to do is say “sorry“ and then move along assuming they ever even admit their errors.
I think in situations like this some form of compensation for the clubs that suffer from these mistakes would be appreciated. It doesn't make up for the mistakes, but it would be a step in the right direction.
That was the same thing in game Man U vs Arsenal. Committing these crime and turn around say sorry is not the way to go. Referees should also be held responsible for their misconduct (criminal behaviours) as players and coaches are.
What if City win the league by 1 point? Like it has happened twice already. What then? The title shouldn't be decided by the referee's mistakes, it should be decided by the players and the football they play. Maybe we should start using asterisks, i.e., *they won the title, but had the refereeing being as it should have been, the 2nd place team might have won it. I know that won't happen, but in a league where there is only 1 winner and 19 losers, the winner shouldn't be decided by outside factors.
What do you think happened before VAR. It’s sport, and it is always ‘decided’ by refereeing errors. From small ones where a foul is missed, which meant a player didn’t get a yellow, so they didn’t miss a match, they scored the winner/played well in the next match etc. There is always a butterfly effect for every single action. There is always an element of luck in winning the league, just look at the Kompany goal against Leicester that won city the title by a point. Same goes for goals that should’ve/ shouldn’t have counted. It’s part of sport and sadly you have to accept that
At this point the fans need to make their own league table to account for all the corrupti- I mean mistakes the Ref and VAR team make, and just use that to decide who rightfully deserves the title. I'd imagine if we had done that from the start of the season the current table would be completely different
It's like having a calculator and saying 'oh, I forgot I had one.' I'm not Arsenal or Brighton fan, but Howard Webb should just step down. If you've got this many incompetent people below you, you're on a sinking ship.
They really need to be able to start retroactively changing results of matches that were deemed incorrect where VAR decision failed. It’s unacceptable at this level.
I kind of agree, but you can't just change one goal and think that's the only effect. Brentford pushed after falling behind and within 8 minutes, thought they had one so cooled off. If that equaliser didn't count, they had another 16 minutes to push, or potentially concede a second due to leaving themselves open. Teams will change tactics depending on the current score, and to allow them to think they've got the result they need, only to delete one of their goals later is unfair on them. Similarly, what if you disallow a goal that was legit, the team keep pushing but then concede due to leaving themselves open - adding on one goal doesn't help when they've lost by two.
@@davids3539 are u serious with ur argument? It’s not about what u could have done we talking about VAR mistakes so don’t be saying they could have scared but the truth is its arsenal dat scored and Brentford goal was offside
David makes a valid point about how games are played with the current scores. You two above, are those type of brainless keyboard hooligans on these football forums/comments who just type instead of thinking for once. They either keep the scores or find a way to replay the game entirely that doesn't hinder teams in a schedule.
What is unbelievable is that, this are the instances which are deciding Championships. Remember, Rodri handball against Everton & Liverpool would have a domestic treble. Such a shame, if this is the instance for which Arsenal lose out on the title.
I love the VAR system but it still doesn't address the reason it was introduced in the first place: human errors. Having the ability of video replays was meant to get rid of these errors.
Nothing will happen. Refs and VAR are untouchable and nobody is allowed to speak out against them. They'll keep making mistakes and affecting the results of games, and they'll keep getting away with it.
3 big calls in 3 games have cost Arsenal 6 points this season. The title will be decided in Stockley Park. Such power must make them feel soooooo good.
You’d be remiss, to not start seriously considering that these are not mistakes, but rather done to swing results, deliberately. These officials should all be investigated for match fixing.
If it’s human error then fire them, they have no clue what they’re one about a regular job with regular people a mistake like that would see severe consequence
It was/is/ will never be an error it was/intentional. And it will continue. Clubs are losing critical points due to corrupt officials! It must be investigated!
There’s needs to be more flexible protocol for mistakes. It’s such a bad look when the broadcasting directors can spot a mistake during the match, and there’s no way to rectify the decision once the “ moment has past”
I guess the same doesn't apply to Chelsea, teams are allowed to have two goal keepers. We are one of the clubs that have lost the most points due to VAR decisions
They acknowledged against Man United too. Yesterday we would have got 3 points irrespective of how good Brentford were. How can a person do error when the evidence is in front of him. Onfield error ok we can understand. Sitting behind computer having time to check still doing error. Something is seriously wrong, the same guy did error in Man United match
Referees and VAR standards has been shocking for a long time, would rather have new refs or foreign referees at this point it honestly can’t get much worse.
There needs to be thwo or three changes to VAR in my opinion: 1. Referees do a post-match interview. I understand why they've been protexted in the past, but decision making needs to have accountability now. There is no explanation behind decisions and it's a guessing game. The additional pressure of having to answer publicly on calls they've made will elevate the performance. 2. The commentary between match officials and VAR should be publicly broadcasted. Apparently commentators have access to this, so why can't fans? It'll provide clarity to the decisions and again, accountability. 3. Managers are responsible for deciding when VAR is used. Much like tennis, unless it's a goal or off the ball incidents that need to be checked for offside, all other decisions are up to the managers to call. 2-3 challenges per match like tennis. If you make an error, you lose the VAR challenge for the game. It also becomes a tactical element to the game too. It alleviates the pressure of referees having to decide when it's used and puts the onus on the teams.
The NFL implements point 3 pretty much as you described it. Each NFL team starts a game with two challenges, with the possibility that a third challenge will be added to their quota before the end of the game. To get the said third challenge, head coaches of the teams in play must be successful in both of their first two challenges. Some things like scoring plays, and turnovers, are automatically reviewed. It works pretty well.
Corruption of the highest order. Now that they have acknowledged, what are the reparations for the affected teams. We are talking about two points in a tight title race
It's simply unacceptable , the pgmol or even the individuals involved must be held accountable both professionally and financially, millions and millions of pounds are involved!
We all know they were ''mistakes'' but are they ever going to take practical steps to improve? To increase accountability for the referees and to secure the sporting integrity of the league? Acknowledging these mistakes means nothing without a commitment to do better and we'll never see that at this rate. I don't know how the standard of officiating in the ''best league in the world'' can be so remarkably low. It's beyond unacceptable.
It's a tricky one. Ramifications have to exist for these 'human errors' but threatening to sack VAR officials will only lead to more mistakes due to stressful conditions. I think it's a case of what's more unfair - changing the results post-match and having one team (in this case Brentford) feel disgruntled, or have Arsenal potentially lose the league because of 1 or 2 points.
That is even more unfair. A team at 1-1 and a team at 1-0 down will play completely differently. If Brentford has the goal disallowed then they would’ve played far more attacking, in the same way if it was disallowed in the final 10 minutes arsenal would be more defensive. So you can’t just change the score post match, it’s life and you have to accept that an error cost you a few points. VAR isn’t perfect and needs to be reviewed, but look back to before VAR and how many points were lost/gained from tight offsides, tight fouls etc. Yes VAR should do better as they can look back on incidents, but the moment they start changing results due to errors, the sport is done.
@@benhayes5396 What if they only added points for Arsenal and left Brentford's points alone? Give them 1 more point? That'd at least acknowledge the mistake and try to correct it.
@@RedditGrapevine again that would be unfair on the teams fighting against Brentford. If Brentford get Europe by 1 point then how is that fair on a team like Brighton or Chelsea who missed out when Brentford should’ve lost that game. Sadly you can’t just give points retroactively as it is unfair to the other 18 teams in the league. For example, what if a player should’ve got a yellow against 1 team, that was his 5th yellow and he would’ve been suspended against the next team. He then scored in the next game and got his team the win. Do you then take away the point from the next game??? Errors happen, and luck is a big part of winning a title, from injuries to wonder-goals (Kompany’s long shot comes to mind). It is frustrating to lose out on 2 points but think of the fact Eriksen got his ankle destroyed by Andy Carroll in a cup game, or the Fernandes goal against City that should’ve been offside. It’s part of football and you just have to accept it and move on.
The guy who didn't draw the lines was actually took off games earlier this season for being poor and he just gets to come back after a little tome away no issues sackings have to happen now. If you can't do your job right for even 2 games then you're not fit for it
Acknowledging doesn't change anything Arsenal lost two valuable points yesterday and it was the same VAR Referee against Utd at Old Trafford. May be should not be VAR Official in any Arsenal game for the foreseeable future PERIOD
The ref blew the whistle before Mbuemo's shot. Offside error, with VAR assistance, is outrageous. It was clear in TV angles, how they did nothing is beyond me. Money talks.
Newcastle suffered egregiously in several matches in the early part of the season. Our club was given a written apology I understand after making a formal complaint. Those lost points could well cost us a Champions League place. It's tough but you have to bite the bullet and move on. Hopefully they will eventually get it right. I recollect the worst mistake was made by the same VAR official who adjudicated the Arsenal game. 🤔
Just this game? I am a Wolves fan and the amount of schocking decisions against us just since returning from the WC has been huge, I have genuinely never seen so many terrible decisions in such a short space of time, then you have that West Ham handball. English refereeing is awful and inconsistent, look how lenient the ref was for Leeds/Man U compared to the psycho we had against Southampton.
They are quick to fine clubs and players because of how thats bad sportsmanship yet protect the reffs. They also needo be held accountable a reff mistake is as bad
Referees on the pitch and the VAR are need to be fully mic'd up with the audio recordings released to the public after every match. If you want to stop players from surrounding the refs, hold bad referees accountable, and improve the overall quality of the game. Put live microphones on every single one.
This season and especially yesterday , in a number of games . The Refs in charge of VAR , have made so many errors , sorry is not enough anymore . It’s costing teams vital points. Get rid of them, no more protecting the refs
ye that's the worst thing for years is how protected the officials are. It's actually borderline criminal now
See this attitude right here? Self righteous fury at the fact humans make errors? This is how we ended up with VAR. Well done Kenneth.
I used to like VAR and the idea of it but it is being managed horribly. If there is going to be this much human error then they should get rid of it, train the refs much more, or use better technology.
@@VelvetMetrolink it's the people that control VAR that are the issue you tool, not VAR in itself, smh.
Criminal Refereeing every now and then, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO NOW?😳 'In the fiercest tone you've ever heard '
Flat-out unacceptable. In addition to holding financial cheaters accountable, the league needs to improve the quality of VAR because it's just as big a threat to the integrity of the competition.
No it isn't, don't be ridiculous. Refereeing errors were always part of the game, you just roll with it. Putting a world beating squad together to win 6 PL titles through financial fraud is a whole other level.
That error could cost the title.
no it doesnt. it needs abandoning. leave football alone
@@gomey70 shut your mouth fool
Cry about it
With the Brentford offside goal that stood, the Brighton onside goal that was called offside and the most blatant handball in the West Ham game, it's been a truly terrible weekend for VAR. What makes it worse is all 3 were costly and all 3 were so easy to get right.
@@Jedimack7 should just say the whole game has been put into disrepute.
It's truly remarkable how the officials in control of VAR are so obviously incompetent. if they worked any other job and made such blunders they'd be fired on the spot.
It's not VAR. It's the officials using the VAR System.
Other leagues have VAR and they don't have so many mistakes
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Coincidence,Corruption?🤔
@@Daniel-ov5bd VAR stands for Video Assistant Referee. It's a person, not software or a system.
Corruption at it's best, does it give us our 3 points no. Nobody held accountable, it's only the teams who are punished. Sack the lot of them and start again
I’m next to the VAR building on most days, I’m actually fighting them on their way out next weekend 😂
@@nabilshafec7169 😂
Where you wanna meet up and what time? What tools are we bringing?@@nabilshafec7169
@@finnmoran Haha couple of slaps will do, but on a serious note, everytime I’ve gone into the VAR building, it’s full of people who don’t look like they’ve played football
Howard Webb suspected Utd Fan
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Coincidence,Corruption?🤔
I think every single team has suffered due to the current poor implementation of VAR. What's the point of it when most fans can guess these incorrect decisions correctly in real-time from seeing one or two replays, but the five officials in the VAR room with every angle and perspective available still get it wrong after upwards of 3 minutes of deliberation?
thats the point ill never understand
Sorry but with many rulings there is no way that fans can guess the rulings from a couple of real time replays.
@@philipbenjamin4720 They can guess better than the officials in the VAR room 😂
@@a.demifemiflapo5795 If that was the case it would mean that the problem is not with VAR but the officials in the VAR room.
@@philipbenjamin4720 "the problem is not with VAR but the officials in the VAR room." yes, that was the point of the original comment.
This doesn’t give us the 3 pts we were robbed of and needed yesterday
This shows the corruption. They know all they have to do is acknowledge the mistakes. It's going to get worse.
City are gonna get three pens Wednesday and win the title from VAR, and Brighton may lose a European spot to these terrible people
A goal in the first half was wrongfully ruled out for Brentford...
Yep like how Robb Liverpool of 3 points at the emirates right!!imagine that hand ball and saka was offside but guess what I’m 10th and not complaining take ur fingers out and move on
@@footballhipstertv wrongfully how mate?.
What about Chelsea ? The most obvious error, stevie wonder could’ve seen that was a penalty
Trust me mate. I'm a swans fan. I remember pre VAR Burnley won a penalty against us when Sam Vokes handled in our box. And the only solution I could come up with was Same Vokes is Welsh therefore it's a penalty against the Welsh side. It's become ironic how well pretty much all other sports are refereed, but the biggest of them all is a shambles.
Know the rules, there's been a lot of moments like that, but only when it happens to Chelsea we hear people moaning
@@aron4795 you are deluded. Former referees have said it should have been a penalty. Think you should read the rules. He had no reason to dive like that. He's thrown himself to the floor in a way that GK do to make themselves as big as possible. No rule changes have been made to make it legal.
@@aron4795it doesn’t matter who is the victim of those shambolic decisions it’s a damn disgrace that the refs are being paid and still take such decisions
@@nathanings3570 he breaks his fall with his arm, thats literally the rule. Funny that I only hear people moaning when it happens to Chelsea and not to other clubs
So much Corruption
Not corruption
Incompetence
At the end of the day it’s still a person who decides var it’ll never be perfect because it’s not supposed to be perfect
Man City slipped them some cash
This happens far too often to every team in the league. Rivals or not, everyone needs to unite and call onto this BS because for the 'best league in the world', this is unacceptable. Referees need to start answering for their crimes!
Yes
This is not look like human error, 🤣🤣betting is legal .
Yeah I feel like some gambling is going on in the background to give these decisions
How about the pen Chelsea didn't get against West ham
That was clearly a pen too mate
That was so blatant and the fact that they didn’t even review it left me gobsmacked . Who decides what merits a review during the game ?
Penalty
Because wasnt Howard Webb the VAR for that game? Hes happy to admit all his colleagues mistakes but not so much his own
I agree it was a penalty, but handballs have exceptions to the rule so mistakes are bound to always happen. However, the ones with Arsenal and Brighton are mistakes with offside. There should never be mistakes with offside/onside because a player is either 100% on or 100% off no exceptions. Highlighting the mistakes with offside (which should never happen) is more important to look at and fix compared to mistakes with handballs and fouls which happen all the time.
Why is there no Semi automated offside?
I've seen it used in La Liga and Serie A
And the World Cup
Because if Man City can't buy players due to investigation, they just buy the refs instead, easy peasy lemon squeezy
Cause the prem is retarded
Yeah, there's so much potential in VAR but it's being totally ruined by these braindead referees.
Imagine if those dropped points end up costing arsenal for the league title....crazy 🙈
Just like how Rodri’s handball gave Man City the league title and robbed Liverpool
@@samking5101 yes I remember that too, disgrace
@@samking5101 That same Rodri is about to help City close the gap at the top to 3 points with early goal.
Yeah I agree, Rashford was clearly offside and interfering with the play shielding it and almost shooting it twice before Bruno asked him to leave it so he could have a goal. Yeah VAR has ruined it, city could have won that game the way it was going.
How many times will the PGMOL have to admit serious error made against them this season. I don't blame fans for believing there is a conspiracy against Arsenal
It’s not just Arsenal. The incompetency can be seen at almost every match
@@samking5101 how many statements has the PGMOL released for bad decisions going against MAN U CITY LIV OR CHE?
@@samking5101 yes, but things such as fouls and handballs are down to interpretation. Not even checking for offside is something far more sinister. There were 3 instances in one phase of play which should have disllowed that goal - how can that be incompetence? Not to mention it wasn't even a foul which led to the goal.
Exactly. Look at the clear penalties against Southampton on Jesus but VAR didn’t even check. They just want to prevent Arsenal from winning the title.
@@kevinb9830 remeber the leeds match bamford got a pen but there was an offisde and tey didnt check I believe it's more than human error at this point
So Arsenal should have won, Brighton should have won and Chelsea should have had a penalty. What if the teams affected had been in the relegation zone? I think we get more mistakes now than we ever did before VAR. These officials are deciding where teams finish in the league which is just plain wrong. The fans need to see what is happening in the VAR room when an incident occurs.
Brighton shouldn't have won. It would've been 4:3
@@ekowhoward5530 it would have been 2:1 we're talking about the palace game on Saturday not the arsenal game
Notice none apologetic toward chelsea fc.. "I prefer not to speak, if I speak I'm in big trouble and I don't want trouble" Jose Mourinho
You're Just dumb if you actually think using VAR leads to more mistakes
@@bramvanderpas4191 Many many thanks for the extremely insightful comment. Maybe I should have phrased it ‘worse’ mistakes. Using VAR was supposed to completely eradicate all errors, was it not?
These are ambitious teams we’re talking about here, one going for the title and the other gunning for European competition for the first time ever in their history, this is totally unacceptable man! This is the second time it’s happening to arsenal this season..
Yeah it's realistic that Arsenal are challenging for Europe but I don't think Brighton are title contenders
@@mmanu6126 🤣🤣🤣
@@mmanu6126 Why not? UTA.
@@mmanu6126 I'm an arsenal fan but that was funny I won't lie ...
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Referee FA-VARs go Utd way
Coincidence,Corruption?🤔
That error could cost the title.
It already did. The error 'has' 😠😡
We lost three titles…move out the way
No, not scoring more and putting the game to bed has
I've lost hope in VAR in English Premier League. I have given up.
I WILL NEVER agree that VAR lines can be forgetten where you want to establish offside and possible goal! Those are unbelievable lies.
Clearly someone is try to fabricate an exciting run in and help teams catch up on to Arsenal. And they've done a great job of that!! And it's not over!
Majority of why EPL is respected, is because there are men responsible to ensure the run in is as exciting as possible. Unfortunately that comes at a huge cost for many teams who have to be punished unfairly with clear wins taken from them as we've seen.
Newcastle consider 2 clear penalties that were not given to Arsenal.
And some people stupidly start talking about things evening out in the end! What load of rubbish! Utter rubbish.
VAR is simply there to ensure fairness. Draw lines for ffs! What ele se are you doing there! Pause, rewind, put lines and rotate. If your not sure, ask the referee to go over and see for themselves!
What's difficult about that? They suspended the same gay not long ago! Why are people surprised? PGMLo os just taking one for the team with this stupid explanation.
You're embarrassing yourselves! Shame on you! So much for the best league in the world! We know the difference now and we know how that's achieved.
2 things,
Firstly VAR should be limited to a 15 second review, if its clear and obvious then it's spot spotable in that timeframe, no more mucking about with lines for millimeters in offside decision.
Secondly VAR should only be used on a managers challenge you get 2 per game.
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Referee FA-VARs go Utd way
Coincidence,Corruption?🤔
Those 2 points could cost Arsenal the premier league title.
"sorry" said the refs
Unless villa beat city we’ve lost the title.
@@Gunnr7 I don't know, the way Utd are moving they might just swoop in and take it
@@aes1373 lol
@@aes1373 that’s impossible but would rather have this than City taking it
Sorry we forgot to do our job
They admitted now and they even admitted our goal against Man Utd should have stood. Nevertheless, you just have to accept what happened
They admitted it but it won't stop them from doing it again...
There being paid to draw lines like nursery children... and still can't do it...
That's 5 points minimum they've cost us...
It depends. What's happening about it, admitting a mistake is fine but how are they going to fix these mistakes going forward. It'll be the exact same people making the exact same decisions next week, people making these mistakes need some kind of accountability. If I make basic errors repeatedly at my job I get fired, reprimanded and lose bonuses. These people get protected and get straight back to work.
Mr. Wenger fought so hard against other EPL clubs to bring in VAR to EPL who wanted to stop it. Despite so many bad decisions against us I still think Arsenal is better off with it than without it. The Automated Offside tracker worked well at the WC ...hopefully clubs like us would take the leadership to bring it to the League ASAP.
Same referee in both games btw. Personally I think he should be investigated.
@@Forcedmonkey seriously man, I wish I was a ref at the top level, the pay is pretty good, 0 accountability, can’t say anything to me as I can flash out cards or my bosses can fine the players/managers/clubs. It’s an emperors job right now.
Why are they allowing the officials to draw the lines for offside decisions, surely it should be 100% automated like hawkeye is in tennis.
Honestly, I think at this point, AI would do a better job at checking for offsides. At least they won't "forget" to draw two brightly coloured lines.
How can a VAR referee forget to draw a line when looking at an offside incident?? This is unbelievable.
Thanks for the acknowledgement. Should we add that to our points tally instead?
So players and managers get fined for speaking out and all of that so what about refs is there any accountability for them making shocking decisions like they over and over again??
It’s claimed we live in a democracy but we clearly don’t. Players and managers get the book thrown at them whenever they respond and talk about mistakes from the refs, yet all the refs ever seem to do is say “sorry“ and then move along assuming they ever even admit their errors.
What about an apology to Chelsea for one of the most blatant penalties ever in world football? They're just totally ineffective!
they actually doubled down on it! as im writing this, city just had a longer var check for a ball deflected onto a shoulder, joke of a league
According to the laws it wasn't a peno
Points must be given back then. It costing teams titles and table positions. Any official can sabotage teams all in the name of "human error"
I think in situations like this some form of compensation for the clubs that suffer from these mistakes would be appreciated. It doesn't make up for the mistakes, but it would be a step in the right direction.
3 of them in one phase of play for the Brentford goal. That isn't incompetence. It needs investigating.
Odd that it was the same ref who made the mistake of chalking off Martinelli's goal at old Trafford as well 🤔. We see what's going on here.
Precisely... 💡
That was the same thing in game Man U vs Arsenal. Committing these crime and turn around say sorry is not the way to go. Referees should also be held responsible for their misconduct (criminal behaviours) as players and coaches are.
What if City win the league by 1 point? Like it has happened twice already. What then? The title shouldn't be decided by the referee's mistakes, it should be decided by the players and the football they play. Maybe we should start using asterisks, i.e., *they won the title, but had the refereeing being as it should have been, the 2nd place team might have won it. I know that won't happen, but in a league where there is only 1 winner and 19 losers, the winner shouldn't be decided by outside factors.
What do you think happened before VAR.
It’s sport, and it is always ‘decided’ by refereeing errors. From small ones where a foul is missed, which meant a player didn’t get a yellow, so they didn’t miss a match, they scored the winner/played well in the next match etc.
There is always a butterfly effect for every single action. There is always an element of luck in winning the league, just look at the Kompany goal against Leicester that won city the title by a point.
Same goes for goals that should’ve/ shouldn’t have counted. It’s part of sport and sadly you have to accept that
@Wholesome yea ok maybe you should get a different name .
make it like tennis, let the team to decide when to check with var
You forgot rashford blatant offside against city, city should gain points.
At this point the fans need to make their own league table to account for all the corrupti- I mean mistakes the Ref and VAR team make, and just use that to decide who rightfully deserves the title. I'd imagine if we had done that from the start of the season the current table would be completely different
They should be given the full 3 points
They should give us back our 3points this is ridiculous man, we've had soo many mistakes from VAR against us this season
It's like having a calculator and saying 'oh, I forgot I had one.' I'm not Arsenal or Brighton fan, but Howard Webb should just step down. If you've got this many incompetent people below you, you're on a sinking ship.
They really need to be able to start retroactively changing results of matches that were deemed incorrect where VAR decision failed. It’s unacceptable at this level.
I kind of agree, but you can't just change one goal and think that's the only effect. Brentford pushed after falling behind and within 8 minutes, thought they had one so cooled off. If that equaliser didn't count, they had another 16 minutes to push, or potentially concede a second due to leaving themselves open. Teams will change tactics depending on the current score, and to allow them to think they've got the result they need, only to delete one of their goals later is unfair on them. Similarly, what if you disallow a goal that was legit, the team keep pushing but then concede due to leaving themselves open - adding on one goal doesn't help when they've lost by two.
@@davids3539 are u serious with ur argument? It’s not about what u could have done we talking about VAR mistakes so don’t be saying they could have scared but the truth is its arsenal dat scored and Brentford goal was offside
@@davids3539 you are basically saying, instead of Brentford get screwed Arsenal should get screwed.
@@davids3539 but since we are doing ifs then it’s very possible Arsenal could have scored a second at any time in those scenarios you mentioned
David makes a valid point about how games are played with the current scores. You two above, are those type of brainless keyboard hooligans on these football forums/comments who just type instead of thinking for once.
They either keep the scores or find a way to replay the game entirely that doesn't hinder teams in a schedule.
And rashford wasn't interfering with play in the utd-city game.👍🙈🤣
Exactly 😅😂
Because it involves man city they will never investigate
What is unbelievable is that, this are the instances which are deciding Championships. Remember, Rodri handball against Everton & Liverpool would have a domestic treble. Such a shame, if this is the instance for which Arsenal lose out on the title.
Yeah.... Remember than hand ball against Everton.... Was just happy it didn't cost Everton getting relegated.
Arsenal bottled the title way before yesterday
@@Swan94y Are you aware there is still more 19 matches to go?
@@Softman264 and they still wont win the league
@@Swan94y How are you so sure about that? Are you a Chelsea fan?
Since it was acknowledged to be offside, just have Arsenal and Brentford replay the game from the time of the offside to the 90th min.
No 🤣🤣🤣. what a silly idea
@@GWfan no idea is too silly. It was someone who came up with the idea of kicking a ball around as a sport which is what we know as football today😂😂😂
I love the VAR system but it still doesn't address the reason it was introduced in the first place: human errors. Having the ability of video replays was meant to get rid of these errors.
They need to investigate ASAP.
I love how cheating can be chalked off with apologies now
So Arsenal and Brighton will get 2 more point or what? is there any repercussions? or do we just move on to the next acknowledgement.
On to the next 🤪
Nothing will happen. Refs and VAR are untouchable and nobody is allowed to speak out against them. They'll keep making mistakes and affecting the results of games, and they'll keep getting away with it.
It's so pathetic man.
@@JAMshortsDAILY keep laughing till your team gets robbed
It leaves me to wonder if these officials officiate based on their biases 🤔
3 big calls in 3 games have cost Arsenal 6 points this season.
The title will be decided in Stockley Park. Such power must make them feel soooooo good.
You’d be remiss, to not start seriously considering that these are not mistakes, but rather done to swing results, deliberately.
These officials should all be investigated for match fixing.
As an arsenal fan, all am saying is if we end up not winning the league, I think arsenal should sue the FA for reimbursement
Great news! Well acknowledging an error is definitely more valuable than points on the table 😒
Where are all the fools saying it wasn't offside throughout the comments yesterday?
If it’s human error then fire them, they have no clue what they’re one about a regular job with regular people a mistake like that would see severe consequence
Mr. Web we don't need an apology, we need our points back!!!
Corruption against Arsenal is nothing new!!
Shouldn't the VAR officials be investigated for match fixing?
It was/is/ will never be an error it was/intentional. And it will continue. Clubs are losing critical points due to corrupt officials! It must be investigated!
There’s needs to be more flexible protocol for mistakes. It’s such a bad look when the broadcasting directors can spot a mistake during the match, and there’s no way to rectify the decision once the “ moment has past”
I'd do everything in my power to be a PL referee if I could be born again. Never get punished or sacked everytime I mess up, perfect occupation.
VAR Cost Arsenal a lot. We won't take apologies.
These constant blatant "mistakes" needs to stop as it's bringing the game into disrepute.
I guess the same doesn't apply to Chelsea, teams are allowed to have two goal keepers. We are one of the clubs that have lost the most points due to VAR decisions
at least they looked at it.
They acknowledged against Man United too. Yesterday we would have got 3 points irrespective of how good Brentford were. How can a person do error when the evidence is in front of him. Onfield error ok we can understand. Sitting behind computer having time to check still doing error. Something is seriously wrong, the same guy did error in Man United match
Referees and VAR standards has been shocking for a long time, would rather have new refs or foreign referees at this point it honestly can’t get much worse.
I don't believe it to be Human error. It's corruption.
Deliberate match fixing.
Officials aren't going to let VAR interfere with their abilty to decide who wins games!
can we have our 3 points back then???
Right .. Human error.. Happened so frequent to Arsenal.. and yet, never happen to Man City..
Apart from the Rashford 'not interfering' decision for Bruno's winner.
They really don't want Arsenal to win the PL now I get it😠
how gracious of them
We Arsenal will suffer massively this season under Var which not only us but especially us.
There needs to be thwo or three changes to VAR in my opinion:
1. Referees do a post-match interview. I understand why they've been protexted in the past, but decision making needs to have accountability now. There is no explanation behind decisions and it's a guessing game. The additional pressure of having to answer publicly on calls they've made will elevate the performance.
2. The commentary between match officials and VAR should be publicly broadcasted. Apparently commentators have access to this, so why can't fans? It'll provide clarity to the decisions and again, accountability.
3. Managers are responsible for deciding when VAR is used. Much like tennis, unless it's a goal or off the ball incidents that need to be checked for offside, all other decisions are up to the managers to call. 2-3 challenges per match like tennis. If you make an error, you lose the VAR challenge for the game. It also becomes a tactical element to the game too. It alleviates the pressure of referees having to decide when it's used and puts the onus on the teams.
The NFL implements point 3 pretty much as you described it. Each NFL team starts a game with two challenges, with the possibility that a third challenge will be added to their quota before the end of the game. To get the said third challenge, head coaches of the teams in play must be successful in both of their first two challenges. Some things like scoring plays, and turnovers, are automatically reviewed. It works pretty well.
What about the blatant penalty in the chelsea match 😂
This is a lawsuit.
Corruption of the highest order. Now that they have acknowledged, what are the reparations for the affected teams. We are talking about two points in a tight title race
They should be investigated for match fixing simple. It’s the only logical explanation in my book.
Criminal Refereeing every now and then, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO NOW?😳 'In the fiercest tone you've ever heard'
Notice the language and choice of words is to review and not investigate. Basically nothing will come of it.
It's simply unacceptable , the pgmol or even the individuals involved must be held accountable both professionally and financially, millions and millions of pounds are involved!
What about the significance of Chelsea's VAR mistake?
Match fixing 🤐🤐🤐🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
As a non arsenal supporter I’m fuming for them. The fact that officials don’t even have to face the criticism of there decisions is a crime in itself.
The game between Arsenal and Brendford has to be repeat it!
Agree
The utd and city game also
We all know they were ''mistakes'' but are they ever going to take practical steps to improve? To increase accountability for the referees and to secure the sporting integrity of the league? Acknowledging these mistakes means nothing without a commitment to do better and we'll never see that at this rate. I don't know how the standard of officiating in the ''best league in the world'' can be so remarkably low. It's beyond unacceptable.
As someone famously once said "There's an agenda against Chelsea"
This is what cost Us Arsenal the title last year at Villa and Newcastle. The same old story no improvement
I think we should be given 3 points and even tho i dont like them, brentford should get 1 points.
What about the linesmen ? Do they have a say on the decisions?
Where did arsenal lose the title Gary? “ probably when the official forgot to apply the offside rule, however I hate arsenal so thank god”
Completely unacceptable, personnel need to be removed and replaced.
It's a tricky one. Ramifications have to exist for these 'human errors' but threatening to sack VAR officials will only lead to more mistakes due to stressful conditions. I think it's a case of what's more unfair - changing the results post-match and having one team (in this case Brentford) feel disgruntled, or have Arsenal potentially lose the league because of 1 or 2 points.
That is even more unfair.
A team at 1-1 and a team at 1-0 down will play completely differently.
If Brentford has the goal disallowed then they would’ve played far more attacking, in the same way if it was disallowed in the final 10 minutes arsenal would be more defensive.
So you can’t just change the score post match, it’s life and you have to accept that an error cost you a few points.
VAR isn’t perfect and needs to be reviewed, but look back to before VAR and how many points were lost/gained from tight offsides, tight fouls etc.
Yes VAR should do better as they can look back on incidents, but the moment they start changing results due to errors, the sport is done.
@@benhayes5396 What if they only added points for Arsenal and left Brentford's points alone? Give them 1 more point? That'd at least acknowledge the mistake and try to correct it.
@@RedditGrapevine again that would be unfair on the teams fighting against Brentford.
If Brentford get Europe by 1 point then how is that fair on a team like Brighton or Chelsea who missed out when Brentford should’ve lost that game.
Sadly you can’t just give points retroactively as it is unfair to the other 18 teams in the league.
For example, what if a player should’ve got a yellow against 1 team, that was his 5th yellow and he would’ve been suspended against the next team. He then scored in the next game and got his team the win.
Do you then take away the point from the next game???
Errors happen, and luck is a big part of winning a title, from injuries to wonder-goals (Kompany’s long shot comes to mind).
It is frustrating to lose out on 2 points but think of the fact Eriksen got his ankle destroyed by Andy Carroll in a cup game, or the Fernandes goal against City that should’ve been offside.
It’s part of football and you just have to accept it and move on.
The guy who didn't draw the lines was actually took off games earlier this season for being poor and he just gets to come back after a little tome away no issues sackings have to happen now. If you can't do your job right for even 2 games then you're not fit for it
all they had to do was check it for offside, which is the bare minimum they are supposed to do. How can they miss 2 offsides in one move?
What does PGMOL stand for please?
i guess those errors are purposeful allowed 🤣🤣🤣 coz they want their winner to win
Acknowledging doesn't change anything Arsenal lost two valuable points yesterday and it was the same VAR Referee against Utd at Old Trafford. May be should not be VAR Official in any Arsenal game for the foreseeable future PERIOD
Brentford scored a goal earlier in the game that was wrongly ruled out. I'd say the error in that game balances things out
No it was not the Brentford player pulled the last defenders shirt and he slipped
The ref blew the whistle before Mbuemo's shot. Offside error, with VAR assistance, is outrageous. It was clear in TV angles, how they did nothing is beyond me. Money talks.
Whistle was blown so, it was onfield referee decision. Sitting behind computer having time and evidence still committing error. This is crime
Gabriela shirt was pulled and red immediately blew his whistle on the pitch, stop trying to make excuses for incompetent refereeing but var
Branford goal is clear offside but the VAR say no , Chelsea also drop two points due to useless decisions by VAR
Newcastle suffered egregiously in several matches in the early part of the season. Our club was given a written apology I understand after making a formal complaint. Those lost points could well cost us a Champions League place. It's tough but you have to bite the bullet and move on. Hopefully they will eventually get it right. I recollect the worst mistake was made by the same VAR official who adjudicated the Arsenal game. 🤔
where arsenal should have got a pen?
Just this game? I am a Wolves fan and the amount of schocking decisions against us just since returning from the WC has been huge, I have genuinely never seen so many terrible decisions in such a short space of time, then you have that West Ham handball. English refereeing is awful and inconsistent, look how lenient the ref was for Leeds/Man U compared to the psycho we had against Southampton.
Cool, so... can we have our points now?
Will the results now be overturn and the points readjusted
They are quick to fine clubs and players because of how thats bad sportsmanship yet protect the reffs. They also needo be held accountable a reff mistake is as bad
" Sorry " does not help,it can cause a title or relegation.
Acknowledging it doesn't put it right start to overturn these results and award points correctly
Referees on the pitch and the VAR are need to be fully mic'd up with the audio recordings released to the public after every match. If you want to stop players from surrounding the refs, hold bad referees accountable, and improve the overall quality of the game. Put live microphones on every single one.