10mm vs 45 acp Ballistic Chicken Gel Test! Speer Gold Dot Bullets, Glock 29 and M&P 45C
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- Putting the 10mm up against the 45 acp using gold dot bullets in both rounds
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The .45 offered less penetration but stayed together . However , the explosive effects of the 10mm round coupled with deeper penetration leads me to believe that the 10 would be a better defense round . Either way , I would use either one of 'em with complete confidence that they'd get the job done . Great test , excellent video !
For that reason, I would say the.45 acp is a better home defense and self defense cartridge in urban areas due to the .45 not over penetrating.
The ballistic chicken is one of those things you didn’t know you wanted until saw it ☺️
Both good carry choices, the .45 offers excellent damage without over penetration.
Cope
Long liive the 45acp
It’s a very capable round
Wasn’t a balance test. 180 vs 230?
Try the Winchester 230 grn black box. At 930 fps.its my carry load. I'm a Colt 1911 45acp forever. But a 10 is awesome. I learned the 45 while in the army.
Long live 10mm
Another test that confirms why I chose 10mm as my edc.
10 for the win!
Me to
I carried a 10mm which was my issued duty weapon (Smith & Wesson 1076). When the agency decided to switch to a .40 cal, i was able to buy my 10mm, that was back in 2001, shot my 10mm just today. Wish i still had my Glock 40 MOS 😕
Yeah another test that confirms why I chose 44 Magnum as my EDC.the best for both two-legged and four-legged Critters
@@Hammerback972 I just bought a Glock 40 MOS 3 months ago. Put a Venom on it. Freaking love it. (It's my truck gun). I pocket carry a Hellcat. Yes, I realize a rifle is still a better truck gun, but, the Glock 40 is a good second choice. And, easier to put in and out of my truck.
10mm a manly version of 45 acp
For sure! Lol
No Chickens were harmed in the making of this video.
Love both calibers. You got what I expected from the 10mm...even more from the .45!
Love the ballistic chicken tests! Both excellent rounds.
I enjoy making them lol
Love the chicken test. More real world test than gel alone.
I have both calibers in 1911s I prefer the 10 for my edc but you have convinced me I would not want to be shot with either caliber . great video I loved the chickens instead of just raw gelatin
1mas much as I am a 45 acp guy, 10mm is my favorite handgun cartridge. 10mm is king. I always shoot 185gr .45 acp. They do very well.
185 gr +P is better than standard pressure but both work.
I love test like these you get to see what a bullet is more capable than just shooting thru jello.
I don't think there was anything wrong with the 45 it performed quite well and had the perfect penetration. The 10mm was very impressive as well.
I think both would make them seriously consider another career path.
Thanks for another great video my brother
That’s why I do them, gives you more realistic, although not scientific, results.
10mm for the big win. That was devastating. I want to show this video to another awesome youtuber I follow. He makes some awesome 10mm vids too.
I think most of mine are 10mm vids too😂👍🏼 love my “Jr. round” of .40 too
Thanks for the video. I have a 10mm and 9mm I have to say I love my 10mm as a edc
Excellent video, first time here. I'll be back, good job! I love both calibers... and am relatively new to 10mm. It's easy to get hooked, that's all I got to say about that
WOW ... This was a GREAT Video & Info ... That 10m 11:16 m was devastating now i know why Marsha , Detectives in Dallas & Mesquite Texas carry them : Thank you
Thank you so much, I appreciate the positive feedback! Thanks for watching and hope to catch you in the comments later!
Great video. Thanks
Enjoyed video! Thanks for sharing..
Love the ballistic chicken videos!
Me too! Lol
Very impressive test, thanks. First time watching. I like 9mm for carry, 45 in my truck and 10mm for bear country.
Glad you enjoyed. I have several videos on all those calibers lol
That's a awesome test
Don’t know how I haven’t ever seen this channel until now! Definitely subscribing. Cool test / video. I never would have thought small chickens would have stopped the .45 as much as they did. I have seen in my own testing that the .45 is not much of a penetrator. I’ve shot hundreds of hogs with almost every common caliber. I was unimpressed by the 45. It’s not good for large boars in my experience. The .45 is very slow and is overhyped. I’ve had .45 bounce off of auto glass when I was shooting at a friends scrap yard. Meanwhile the 9mm went through EVERY TIME. I wouldn’t carry .45 in the winter for self defense… but I still love the history and heritage of the .45.
Awesome test, bone, meat and gel😎🤝
Thank ya. I enjoy doing these videos too. Fun to make lol
I subscribed today. Keep em coming. I live in Pennsylvania. Im a hunter. Spent 18 years in Alaska. I live in a very rural area
I appreciate the sub, hope you continue to enjoy the content!
I will. Out of my cold dead hand. I'm a army veteran. And I mean what I say and say what I mean..
Thank you, Sir!
I would like to see this same test with hardcast rounds.
Kinda makes me wonder how the .40 S&W would do. The .45 looked great!
I am shifting to 10mm for carry and home defense. It's very versatile; defense rounds with acceptable penetration, or hot and solid flat-nose rounds for deep penetration. I like to call it "One Centimeter" just to emphasize metric goodness. :D
i like your video. it was nice to see the back yard style you dont see much anymore from the larger creators.
All I got to offer lol. Hope y’all like it
@@thegundungeon i do. I was looking for a 10mm vs 45acp video. This fit the bill perfectly. Now i have to see how much worse the recoil is on 10mm
@@lordtartarsauceb8348 the beauty of 10mm is its kinda like 357 magnum for semi’s it can be loaded from mild to wild, 40s&w replications or full house norma loads… find what works for ya.
@@thegundungeon cool. Thanks man.
I feel like ballisticly the 10mm is way more powerful. But when it comes to killing, the 230-grain 45 ACP would actually level that playing field. That is too big of a bullet and a proven killer.
Thank you TH-cam for saving us from the knowledge of what a 30 round magazine looks like. Surely if anyone ever saw that, they'd be instantly killed.
F utube. I got a nasty messy because ide keep a 2 legged or 4 legged booger man out of my chicken coop with a Winchester 45-70. Said it was raciest.
People forget that your target might not be 5ft or 10ft from you. Certain situations may require a bit more speed and distance like say a 10mm… I’m not talking about the 45 I’m talking about people saying the 10mm penetrates too much so they’d rather go with a 9mm. 9mm isn’t that great when it comes to barriers or damage at distance. 10mm is great at everything!
10mm is definitely superior but it's also a lot more expensive (makes you less likely to practice) and also more challenging to become proficient with (due to more recoil)
@@mc4906 agreed, practice is most important with the gun you’re going to carry and not just cheap ball ammo but with the expensive hollow points you’re going to carry with, it’s important to know your gun will run then well!! So I completely agree with you, in terms of recoil I’d say .357 sig is a good median with great performance but again it’s gonna cost your kidney for a couple mags.
More expensive? Both calibers are $30-35 a box where I'm at. 10mm can be had at sale prices for like $20
@@bobjohnson1633 The price will really vary. Also worth considering what might sell out completely if there's a supply chain shortage or panic buying. Lots of people own 9mm and .45 ACP. Not as many own 10mm.
Don't think a .45 doesn't have legs. If you're hit at distance don't think it won't fix ya
Can't really beat 10mm.
The best combo of power & capacity you can get.
I totally agree 👍 👌 👏
357 and 44 mag enter the chat...
Agreed but not best for in home defense if you know what I mean
@@sparky_-mf2cs
Wrong. 10mm is an auto loader and a wheel gun. My G40 holds 16 rounds. I can get 3 rounds on target to your one .44. Plus you only have 6 shots. 10mm is much more versatile than a .357. 10mm is the best power/capacity combo you can get.
@jason lommen thats if your g40 doesnt jam or blow up 😂
Thos 10mm become a ball with razor blades, destroying all internals. Insane
Damn ,I am a 45 auto guy for many many years,May need to get a new gun
good video I just think you should shoot 200 grain through both for the most accurate comparison. Thanks great vid.
Great video!!! I have been looking at a Glock 20 10mm. I recently purchased a Glock 21 .45 My vey first ever Glock purchase!! I will certainly keep thinking about getting a 10mm soon. Subscribed
Thank you for subscribing. I’m a big fan of 10mm, so I fully support buying one lol
@@thegundungeon absolutely & I see why!!👍
Glock 20 is a wonderful gun. So is the longer Glock 40.
Try the Underwood 10mm 100grain Penetrator and the 155 grain hollow.
10mm🇺🇸
Would love to see the 155 grain XTPJHP through the chickens. If you look at it on lucky gunner you can see it is about as perfect as a handgun round can perform. I love the 45 but stake my families life (and other innocent people if needed) on the 10mm 155 XTPJHP. If I was using it for a woods gun I’d up it to buffalo bore or DoubleTap 180 grain bonded to stop pigs or other nasties.
10mm the clear winner
After owning, loading for and shooting both for almost 35 years, I find little difference between them when shooting +P in .45acp. To my thinking, they are both excellent performers.
They definitely both do well. I tend to lean toward 10 when in the woods though.
@@thegundungeon yeah +p compared to a mid grade 10mm sure, put an extreme penatrator bullet on a shell with 11 grains of blue dot. .45 acp won't even compare.
@@christophertibbetts245845 super all day
Another awsome video. Two awsome cartridges. I'm a 1911 Colt 45 Acp. Both will keep the booger man away. My load is 230 Winchesters xtp bonded hollow point.
If you’re a 45 guy, check out the all HST gel test I just did with 9, 40, 357 sig, 30sc, and 45. That sucker OPENED lol
@@thegundungeon I will. God bless. I'm also an army veteran. Out of my cold dead hands
@@user-wo2iw3kt8o thank you for your service
You are welcome. I was an army combat engineer .12 bravo 87 to 91. I served in alaska.i love the USA.
You gotta try the Winchester defender 180 bonded 10mm that’s what I run in my 10mm 4.6 inch M&p 1200-1220 FPS and a tougher bonded projectile over the gold dot
It’s funny some of these guys act like Glock 30 won’t make you unalive
Ik tht chicken in the after life feeling them shots
Gel block Jerry had a much tougher ride with the 10mm!
Always does with the mighty 10! Lol 😂
45,is,badass
It wasn’t a balance test. The 10mm is 180 grain and the 45 is 230 grain.
The 45 dumps all of its energy really quickly into soft targets. Honestly that's exactly what you want imo for self defense. The 10mm is a beast of a round. Hit so hard the damn thing jumped. But it also kept a lot of its energy as it passed through.
All I have to say is that all of these videos end up being vs the 45 ACP. That right there, should tell you something. I do like the 10mm. I love my 357 magnum also. I do like my 45 ACP. I have shot lot's of all 3 of those and more. In my Opinion every caliber from 9mm up is a good CC caliber until you hit 10mm. 10 mm is great but not when you are in a self defense shooting and you need follow up shots on target and don't have time to make sure a bystander isn't behind or right next to the target.
I have double tapped many times and that is where you are going to see what happens.
I am a gun guy who was raised shooting and a Veteran. I have police experience to draw on and have had relatives in law enforcement also.
The 10mm now is like the 41 or 44 mag used to be. A fad and overkill for carry.
Some rounds you carry and some you hunt with.
The only round that does both is the 357 mag. You can load it down to the level of 38 special + p or up to a full blown hardcast penetrator for Bear.
Fan Boys won't like this but it will out class a 10mm. I have done it. Now would I carry a 10mm auto loader instead of a 357 mag wheel gun in the Bush sure. Would I carry it instead of a 45 ACP in the Bush, sure.
There is the king of the auto loaders that I would rather carry in the bush. A 1911 A1 chambered in 460 Rowland.
If you want to be a fan boy , shoot that for awhile and you might become a convert.
I have a 10mm vs 357 mag chicken video coming out soon! I like all calibers! Thank you for watching
I love the 10 mm
That 10mm is way more deadly on dead chickens👍
Lol that’s right!
thats why the glock 29 is in my carry rotation lol
Excellent video sir i have been a 10mm fan since the day you could get one and ive carried one faithfully every day for the last 30 years. Just wish Winchester would remake the Black Talons and OOOH BABY and @Brutal Bob Hornandy is trash in everything except .357 mag just saying
LESSON: Don't go chicken hunting with a 10 mm. Won't be much left to eat.
Very true! Lol 😂
Great results. 10mm is more of a Outdoors caliber for big boars or deer hunting or bear coin or big cat County. Where 45acp is more of a ccw carry everywhere. Both perform well didn't expect the 10mm to break up theo.
Yeah I didn’t expect the gold dot to shed weight like that
@@thegundungeon nope usly a good bullet
@@thegundungeon The FBI concluded that the most important factor in penetration is bullet weight retention, but this was in regards to light and fast bullets that over-fragmented and didn't penetrate. But what if a bullet consistently penetrates or even over-penetrates? Then is shedding weight a problem? What would you rather be hit with, a bullet that remains as 1 piece and penetrates 16" or a bullet that sends a half dozen projectiles 16"? In a perfect world, a bullet would shed ALL of its weight just at the limit of maximum penetration (FBI concludes this is 16"). Hands down, the 10mm (with full-load 10mm ammo) over performs the .45 in every way.
@@sj6404 oh I agree with ya, I just didn’t expect the bullet to shed that much weight because it’s a bonded bullet. Not super common to lose that much. I’m a 10mm fan all the way
@@thegundungeon A few of your other viewers have commented in here that the Gold Dot is a .40 cal round and was bonded in such a way to keep it together 'only' at .40 velocities - and that may be well true. But if they made a more 'durable' 10mm version of the same bullet I think I would load this one because the fragmentation when combined with the excellent penetration makes a very devastating round - as the chickens well showed!
And thanks for this (and other) videos - I think you have a winning combination with the chickens and the gels - better even than Paul Harrel's "bag of orange lung materiel."
EXELLENT demonstration is what I think.
10mm with 200 gr hardcast gc running around 1150 - 1200fps is a devastating combo on game. Especially from a 16" barrel, even from a 6" barrel will penetrate both sides of a vehicle!!
10mm is the 👑. It can do it all!
Did you say, “skaved”? Ha ha! Luv it!
Probably, I speak in banjo sometimes lol
Good results on both. But 10 was impressive in damage.
That’s my thoughts too
45 for the Hood and 10MM for the woods. 😂
10mm trumps .45 everyday of the week. More power and much more versatile.
Speer needs to make a 10mm Deep Curl. This is not the first time I've seen tests using the standard .40 cal Gold Dot get shredded when loaded to 10mm velocities
I agree
My 10mm is a bit overkill but I love it
You should try the heavier XTPs in the 10mm Auto. In my experience, the 200 gr XTP is probably the best bullet available for full power 10mm Auto. Driven 1200 fps or so, this bullet expands well and drives deep. I carry the Underwood 200 gr XTP load in my Glock 20, and have taken several deer with it. I know it works. The Gold Dot and most other JHPs on the market are designed for .40 S&W velocities. Driving them faster gives you better performance on paper, but the bullets don't perform as well. The Gold Dot is not supposed to over expand and peel back like you saw with those 180 gr 10mms.
I have some, I’ve tested them in gel, they do really well, they just tend to penetrate more than the gold dots and a lot of people worry about over penetration with 10mm.
@@thegundungeon The 10mm Auto doesn't over penetrate. It adequately penetrates. Your 9mm and .45 under penetrate.
The over penetration argument is tired and old. The only reason you're worried about over penetration is because you intend to violate multiple firearm safety rules. The Four Rules say to be aware of your target and beyond, and to never point a weapon at something you don't intend to destroy. So if your argument is that we should sacrifice terminal effect and penetration to absolve us of our responsibility to follow firearm safety rules, ironically in the name of some misconceived notion of safety, I reject your argument and substitute reality. In reality, we shoot things to over penetrate them, and we live in a nation where 1 in 3 is obese and nearly half is overweight. There are plenty of situations where you're doing to need more than 12 to 14 inches of gel penetration.
The penetration of the 10mm was the point. Standard .38 and 9mm failed to penetrate auto barriers and deliver enough ass to put down Platt and Matix.
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 oh I didn’t say that I thought it over penetrated, just that many do and it’s a common comment on many 10mm videos I do. I personally love 10mm and I like 200g xtp handloads to carry lol
Nice test results. The 10MM is impressive, But I will keep my 1911 and Glock 21 though.
Nothing wrong with that at all! Thanks for watching
Didn't see on rumble!
30rd magazine!?!?! YOU SIR HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MONEY NOW! 😂 TH-cam is a joke
I laughed at the title, but this testing shows interesting and unexpected results. Very creative.
Thank you! The ballistic chicken videos tend to be fan favorites lol
10mm all day i wish it was a more common round
If you did this test at my place you would have some interesting guests.
There is a family of Bobcats that live in an old barn next door and when I cook outside they come over to get their share, chicken is their favorite. Gunfire doesn't seem to bother them at all, they got used to it...lol
We have coyotes, coons and opossums around here.
@@thegundungeon We have the same here, but they don't hop up one the table next to you asking for a hand out...lol
You don't want over penetration from 10mm. 10mm is a great round for animal defense. But everyday human defense with stopping power 45 remains king, in my opinion. Served for this purpose in multiple wars and continues to deliver. 10mm is scary. You might harm someone else while trying to stop the bad guy.
I have a video showing everything from 8” of penetration to 40+, all with full house 10mm loads. Bullet selection is the most important factor when choosing a 10mm carry load.
@The Gun Dungeon I'm sure there are 10mm rounds specific for that. All guns are cool, in my opinion. 45 is just a vet round. You can't go wrong. You hit someone, and you stop someone simple. I like your videos. I guess at the end of the day, it all comes down to one's personal preference for carry. That doesn't mean I'm not going to buy a 10mm. Keep up the good work 👍🏼
10 mm rules over 45 acp ..it go Thur a level llla vest but a 45 wount or 44 mag to Ventura extreme defense will go and pentrater round to a beast
Compairing apples and oranges
That test shows exactly why I carried a 10mm as a LEO, and still carry one as my EDC! This video is a good comparison show the positive and negative of each round. Wait, there is no negative regarding the 10mm, except for the bad guy!
On a serious side people, compare this .45 test to the Hornady round.
STAY SAFE
10mm for the win, always lol 😂
I personally like the Double Tap 180gr
200 grain XTP full potential loads for my 10mm👍🏼
The Hornady XTP is probably the best bullet available for the 10mm. The Gold Dot and most other JHP are designed for .40 S&W velocities and don't necessarily deliver better performance driven a couple hundred FPS faster. The XTP is more of a controlled expansion bullet and seems to love the higher velocities of full power 10mm. I carry Underwood 200 gr XTP in my Glock 20. I have taken lots of small critters around the property and several deer with this load, so I know it works. I love 10mm. Nothing else does it for me anymore. I shoot 9mm and .45, and it just seems underwhelming and anticlimactic.
What brand 10mm ammo and what weight also what firearm.
I dunno, I can't decide if this or Paul Harrel's infamous meat target is a better test. LOL.
Well luckily we have both! Lol
I see others have mentioned how the gold dot wasn’t designed for 10mm velocities. I’ve seen other 10mm gold dot vids where they look like a meteor after being fired 👍🏼
I wish Federal would release their 200g hst bullet for reloaders
@@thegundungeon that’s the EDC round I use in my .40 too😂👍🏼
This is true about the gold dot. Freakin 10mm so powerful it expands the bullet in flight!!!😂😂😂😂👍🏼
Good test, would not to be on the receiving end of either round
10MM for the win, Too bad the 45 super is not more popular, the .45ACP was designed in a time when steel alloys were not as strong as they are today so they are only loaded to a maximum pressure of 19,800 PSI because they have to be safe in all guns chambered for the cartridge. The .45 Super cartridge is basically the same size but has a slightly thicker case and is loaded to 28,000 PSI as a maximum pressure which is still low by todays pistol cartridge standards. If the .45ACP were designed today it would be at or greater pressure levels than the .45 super and a better round in my opinion. The .460 Rowland is pushing at the higher end of pistol pressure levels at 40,000 PSI with basically the same case as the .45 Super but about a 1/16" longer to prevent it from chambering in a .45 ACP chamber and may be a bit much for some shooters with higher recoil and muzzle energy sometimes topping 1,000 ft. lbs. so the .45 super would likely win the popularity contest if it were made in a larger variety and supply of guns and ammo made in that chambering. Sorry for the long winded rant.
Im curious what a 185 grain .45 ACP would do. Would be a closer comparison. 185 grain would be higher velocity
Great video! Keep up the good work. For self defense, it looks like the 10mm over penetrates.
It definitely penetrates more than the wider 45 acp
It’s not a very accurate test for either caliber......
10mm is more powerful but 45 is no wuss
10mm, my edc 😉🤙🏽
I would like to see a video between the 10mm vs .357 magnum!!!
I have one posted lol
th-cam.com/video/AWGBZ5SQ5aY/w-d-xo.html
Razor Dobbs already settled this argument. Razor Dobbs
Caliber wars are never settled lol 😂
Send me them chickens when you done😂
I might have missed it but what were the advertised velocities of both of these loads?
The 10mm aint never won any wars...js... . 45= 🇺🇸
Its like comparing a .380 to a .357 🤔 🤪 Both perfectly good, but in different categories 🤓
I think an intruder deserves both the 10mm and the 45, but I think you would get more American Justice with the 10mm. 😃
I like the way you think lol 😂
Technically American justice would be with the american round... Just saying
Try a lite grain bullet for the 45 +p compare to 10mm 180
If we go light for the 45 wouldn’t we want to go light for the 10mm as well?
How much noticeable recoil do you feel between the two?
10mm clear winner. Who cares about bullet weight retention? The ONLY reason that weight retention is important is to gain penetration. Considering that the 10mm out-performed the .45 then the weight retention was ENOUGH to get the penetration. The destruction to the chickens was impressive.
Which one recoils more? I'm considering a small pistol in either of these calibers to replace my micro 9mm for carry. I plan on renting one or both to make sure I can shoot it well.
Full power 10mm loads will recoil more than 45acp
I do think both are good but I think the point in damaging the target. 10mm wins.
Really no reason for this comparison anymore. The 10mm ALWAYS WINS!!
I don’t need a 10 I just want it lol
I’d love to see Winchester pdx1 357 magnum 125 grain vs Buffalo bore 200 grain Barnes type lead free 44 special the 44 special in this has about 7 ft pounds of energy more that the 357. I feel it’s the champ ( 357 ) vs the superior ( on paper ) challenger.
That is a very specific request lol 😂. Honestly I’m trying to find a decent price on a 3” 44 mag, highly eyeballing the 3” 629 deluxe, to be able to compare 357 vs 44 in since I have a 3” 686 357, so that may work if I pull off getting one at non war prices lol
@@thegundungeon true. I got a good deal on a Taurus tracker in 44 mag. They call it a 4 inch but the barrel is only 3 plus an additional 1 inch open area after that.if you do the comparison I’ll send you the Ammo or pay you for it. I’m really curious to see which one has the better result. I really think that Buffalo bore is the perfect round. Anyway I love the channel. So thanks for making the great content.
sorry I like this channel, have only been here once, and I will most likely only watch this review ? I just have too many other subs.
Lol okay bud. Hope you enjoyed the video
I love 10mm I just dont understand how people think that the 10mm is to much in proformace and recoil but yet the 10mm dont recoil on average not even 1 more lb that the 45 and people talk about follow up shots when u actully test it u can shoot 10mm just as fast as 45 you can shoot a gun as fast as u can see your sights on targets but i just put it lile this unless you shoot both and test both you dont know as much as you think but any gun is better than none if you know your guns caliber and ammunition 10mm is not to much because if it is then 357 mag is because it penetrate more because the 357 mag has better sectional density so it penetrates deeper but people say its just fine but 10mm is to much people like to pick and chose but you can tell anyone what would be best for them because you do not know there skills or what situation they would be in