3 Shingles I WOULD Put On My Own House, And 3 I WOULD NOT: The Best Shingle?
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- What is the best shingle for your house? Have you ever wondered what shingle a roofer would put on his own house? This video will have some helpful information for you if you are trying to choose a shingle.
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00:00 Introduction
00:23 CertainTeed Landmark
02:38 Owens-Corning Oakridge
03:40 Malarkey Legacy
04:49 Owens-Corning Duration Storm
06:13 CertainTeed Northgate
09:22 Tamko Heritage
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My Heritage shingles have been on my roof for 18 years now they have been through multiple hail storms and winds over 80 mph and not 1 shingle has blown off or been hail damaged,we just got 1" hail last week and no damage.
Thanks for the insight lots of Hale in my area.
Installing Certainteed Landmark roof on March 6 here in Western Washington. Passed on the IKO Cambridge.
Replacing a 3 tab builder grade that lasted 17 years with maintenance.
We just got hit with hail here in Parker and have decided to choose Malarkey Legacy over Owens-Corning Duration Storm. Thank you for your video. It helped to confirm our decision!
If you haven't already chosen a roofer, I can recommend Elite Roofing.
We don't get much hail here in SW, Florida. I got a Owen's Corning Duration shingle roof about 13 years ago. After two hurricanes, including a direct hit by Hurricane Ian, not a single shingle was damaged or blown off.
You will find videos on TH-cam criticizing every brand of shingle known to man.
Thank you. I too am in SWFL, and am finally getting a roof after Ian. The Owen’s Corning is the one I’m considering.
I’m located in Hillsborough County, Florida, and we do not have a hail problem here. So, recommendations that focus on hail damage are not applicable in all geographic areas of the U.S. I am in the process of researching shingles and roofing companies for a replacement roof. Presently, based on other research, I am inclined to go with Owen Corning’s Duration Platinum.
You must be knew to Florida...Im in Homosassa about ab hour north of you and we have been hit several times with heavy hail in the last 8 years Ive been here@@OlsenTheWonderDog
Yeah not true, just cause you can't see it from the road doesn't mean its not there
Thank you!! Very informative.
agreed
Thanks for the useful content. What do you think about GAF shingles?
I like the Malarkey Vista for the value
You explain things so well and we just had a major hailstorm. Could you do a video explaining the UL3 and UL4 rating? I share some of your videos on my Facebook
Thank you so much! Good suggestion on the UL3/UL4.
What is interesting is how the weather plays with the shingle lifetime. We bought 25 year shingles and they were going to go the full run, but the decking wood was from 1961 and was buckling lifting some shingles. This was on the north side of the house where the snow sits all day and doesn't melt because the sun hits it only for an hour. The shingles were 23 years old, no underlayment and had another 5 years left in them.
I only know people that had problems with the IKO fiasco from the early 2000s. All of them had black roofs. Pretty much anybody with a black roof in my neighborhood is changing the shingles twice as much. The rest of us with light mint and beige shingles seems to last quite a while. Almost everything is 3 tab. Just now we have around 5% with HD shingles.
In Canada, where I live, it will get up to 100 degrees and humid (good luck in breathing) and down to -12 (good luck breathing with frozen nostrils). Occasionally we get 50mph winds but average 37mph. Not much hail.
What do you think about the GAF Timberline? I’ve personally developed a love hate relationship with these shingles because of the same reason. I love how well they seal to one another but also hate it because I’m a repair specialist in Texas, and as you can imagine the seal strips really SEAL with the extreme hot and cold we experience here in DFW
Good info.Thanks, What do you think of Cool Shingles ?, Heat is becoming a major problem.
I think it's a money-grab scam. Just my opinion.
Dallas is hot, at times really hot. I actually like the Duration Storm because it is not SBS asphalt. The SBS asphalt does not like our heat and ages more quickly here. SBS is also softer and should not be installed parts of the summer. Different markets different answers.
PS- Love the CertainTeed Landmark. It is now a Class 3 IR product along with OC Duration.
I have a question for you. I live in an area that is very common for it to get hail. I’m about to get my roof replaced due to hail damage and my roofer suggested originally to get Certainteed Landmark ClimateFlex. After doing some research I learned about Northgate shingles. Additionally, I’m about to get solar on my roof so I don’t want to have to take them down in the future to replace the roof due to hail damage to the roof if getting the Northgate shingles would hold up significantly better to hail in the long term. Which would you go with? Is there a big difference in price? Is the price difference worth it in your opinion? Thank you.
Great video!
I’m in Central Florida and I’ve found after hurricanes, Landmark shingles hold up great to wind, BUT, every call we received after our last storm for blown off shingles, were Landmark Shadow Ridge…
My least favorite list is 1)GAF, 2)GAF, and 3) is a tie between GAF and O/C.
Favorite is still Atlas Pinnacle Pristine.
I've heard good things about Atlas.
How do GAF Timberline HDZ compare to the Landmarks?
@@80Demitri even with the issue with the hip and ridge, not holding up to higher wins, I personally would put Certainteed landmark ahead of GAF timberline HDZ,
@@derrickvittitow9930 Thank you very much!
Atlas roofs are garbage...our 5 year old home was already getting black streaking and we had a hail storm/wind storm and roof was destroyed. Neighbor across the street has GAF Ultra and it did not touch their roof@@homesteadroofing
A real benefit would be to disclose the relative cost of the shingles you reviewed. In several cases it appears that you are comparing apples and bananas.
The point of the video was not to compare shingles.
The point was to provide my opinion on which shingles I would and would not want on my own house.
we are building a new house and we are using brownstone board & batten, siding and martgaux beige stone veneer. should we use charcoal shingle or canadian driftwood shingles for our roof
Also, I’d guess that my area only gets hail like...once every 3-5 years...I can’t recall the last time...maybe 2018
Thank you for your time and effort.
I am in SF Bay Area, where can I get the ones you prefer ?
Pretty much any roofer you choose should have access to these shingles.
Great Info Sir - I have hail damaged copper penny (29gauge) Love it but would you recommend a better copper penny metal product ?
Is it exposed fastener or standing seam?
What is your opinion of OC Duration Flex?
Do you think it is a good shingle?
I use gaf timberline HD ultra
I have Owen-Corning Oakridge shingles on my house and they are not a builder grade shingle and there is no way a shingle is going to blow off from my roof. It would take 130 mile an hour winds in a hurricane to do that, and not even sure then. We have had hail storms and the insurance company couldn't find any damage so shingles are pretty tough. Just had another severe hail storm so waiting for adjustor. It could be 50/50 chance if they replace roof after 14 years. Update: I would rather have one of your top picks that resist hail damage. Why get a new roof then it gets damaged right after you install it.
Thoughts on GAF timberline UHDZ?
I had a roof put on in the fall using Certainteed Landmark and lots of areas didn't seal well. It was likely due to a bad install, and the roofer assured me that come spring they'd heat up and seal. Those problem areas never really did look right even in spring.
That should be addressed right away. Get another roofer out there to inspect it. Offer to pay the roofer for a full inspection and report. If it's not installed correctly, or the product failed, you want to get it taken care of before any big winds.
OC Oakridge not a problem with wind in WI.
sealing issues and granule loss are what Ive heard about with these... if they arent sealing soon after install, you Better get them addressed as the longer you wait the less likely they will Ever seal right as dirt and debris get under the sealing surface and make the seal weak or impossible over time
Ty!
Nice Video. What about the GAF UHDZ Timberland Shingle?
Not one of the 3 I would put on my house, and had to limit to only 3 I would not use.
What about the Owens Corning Tru Definition Duration shingle. I live in Fort Wayne, IN. North East part of the state.
I just am not a big fan of the OC products. After over 8 years of using Certainteed almost exclusively, I'm just really impressed with their products. I have also heard really good things about Atlas but haven't had an opportunity to use them
Great video! I live in Seattle, what month of the year would you avoid install new roof? thanks
The 10 months that it rains! 😂
I've been there in April, May, and July. Those seem like good months.
Love the videos and your opinions. I do feel like you might have a bit of bias against OC though. Seems like roofers are all in or all out when it comes to OC.
The bias is from bad experiences. I agree about all in or all out among roofers though. I see the same thing.
Good info. I'm about to have two roofs shingled with the Landmark Pro shingles. What temperature is required for them to seal and should I wait for warmer weather before the install?
We like to have a sunny day of 50 degrees or warmer, with that same weather for a couple days after the project.
@@homesteadroofing Thanks for the reply. Perfect timing! One of the roofs will be done end of this week, supposed to be in the high 50's / low 60's for that timeframe.
Hi there, nice video. I live in northern VA. We get all 4 seasons, I guess not overly extreme weather. Snow yes but not several feet, but single digit temps sometimes. Hot summers but not like Texas. But humidity yes. Some wind and storms but not like further down south.
I don’t even know if I can get Malarky in my area. I will look into CertainTeed landmark pro. I have landmark now but it’s old. A roofer recently recommended GAF but after seeing review videos it doesn’t sound good. They said their company was GAF master elite and can offer golden pledge warranty but I’m not sure if that’s just hype.
I have the same misgivings as far as GAF.. in process of getting a roofer and shingle choice...GAF Seems to have a pretty wild warranty that tops most others out there... in order to get it, it Must be installed by a GAF certified "master elite" installer and a number of Other Gaf components like underlayment, venting ect need to be used to achieve that warranty.. But warranty aside, the physical shingle in hand felt so poorly made, brittle, fragile, that I serious question whether i wanted it on my house... if we Did go with GAF, it would Only be for the warranty as the shingle looked truly awful in construction.
Ive been installing shingles for 36 yrs in middle Tennessee. There's lots of variables that go into a roof lasting. One job we installed with owens corning Oakridge 30 lasted 22 yrs. 12 yrs prior he had an addition added and the roofer color matched with a GAF Timberline. When we installed the new roof, the Oakridge shingles looked better than the GAF shingles installed on the addition. Twice as old and in the same environment. I installed the 25 yr elk shingle on my personal home 22 yr ago, which GAF bought out elk that yr. Things change, materials change! The 3 tab Owens corning seemed to last longer too. Im speaking about materials installed 20 to 25 yrs ago. Im gonna install a new roof on my personal home this yr. Im going with Certain teed. Ive installed them all. They seem to be the best for this climate.
GAF Elk on our house giving up the ghost but they were installed in 1999... one can hardly complain
After 20 years of roofing I would put CertainTeed in line with the tampko
is CertainTeed Landmark a good shingle then?
I live near San Jose, Ca. We need to replace a redwood shingle roof on our 2300sq. ft. + 2 car garage single story home. Asphalt shingles have now become the preferred roof in my neighborhood. I could use some advice about what grade of shingle that would be most practical from a dependability and cost standpoint for our climate. Temps rarely get to freezing or up in the 90s. They mostly range from 40s to 80s. Winds can gust up to 30-40 mph (rare event). We can get a lot of rain in late winter and early spring but rarely a drop the rest of year. Hail is rare but not unheard of. My husband & I are retired and in our 70s & 80s so I expect that this will be our last roof replacement.
If that were my house I would probably install CertainTeed Landmark. There doesn't seem to be any reason for you to pay for an upgraded shingle.
40 years of roofing in Lake Tahoe, California elevation 6500 feet nothing I have installed has blown off and I’ve installed every single there is in the market it’s the installation not the product you don’t hit the nail line and you shingles will just blow right off or delaminate like I said we get 100 mile an hour plus winds up here in the mountains and we deal with ice and snow in the feet. My shit isn’t going anywhere. Sorry that you guys that are having problems with your roof blowing off try hitting the nail line just saying
Your opinion about Owens Cornikng is the region you live in. "You would not install Owens Corning"... you need to specify in the area you live in. Malarkey was sued a while back for $2.5 million for EPA violations at their manufacturing plant. I live in Arizona and I'm going to install Owens Corning duration shingles on my home that are less expensive than malarkey, and do a fantastic job with their proprietary nailing strip and adhesive properties.
I have these in my roof, was just destroyed with hail Last year. Neighbors roof blew off, none of my shingles. I think maybe if you get hail it might not be the best
What size nail would you use for winter climate with ice guard and thick Owen corning duration?
You can still use a 1 1/4" nail, but a ring shank will hold better.
We live in the Pacific Northwest where it drizzles six months out of the year, but hail (usually small ice pellets) and wind storms do not happen that often. The first re-roofing bid we got would use Corning Duration shingles, but what shingles would you recommend for our neck of the woods?
That's a really good question. Your climate is so much different than it is here. I recommend you ask a few roofers and maybe even one of the roofing supply companies like ABC or Beacon.
Two roofing companies I am looking into one wants to use Atlas Pinnacle Architectural shingles, another mentions GAF natural shadow upto lifetime architectural shingles, and another says IKO Dynasty shingles
Ok not to sound stupid...just learning. What are the classes of shingles? I'm needing complete new roof. I have no wind blockage..in Kansas out in bfe.
Good question.
Some shingles are class A rated. This is for fire typically.
Some shingles are class 4 rated. This is for impact resistance. There's also class 1-3, but I've never seen class 1 or 2 in my area. Only 3 and 4.
I am going to be getting a Certainteed Landmark Climate Flex Class 4 shingle for my home in Texas.
One question I do have.
What is the difference between the Landmark Climate Flex and the Northgate Climate Flex? The warranties are slightly different but both are class 4.
Not only are the Malarkey line of Shingles SBS, they use a 5 part polymer instead of three, making it flexible for more of the shingle’s life. I recently started using the VISTA AR and because MALARKEY has been set up with an entire line of these shingles for so long, they are much more cost effective then Northgate, as in around $50.00 per sq less, and I only pay $23.00 per sq more then, Durations or Timberline HDZ, so about $600.00 on an average sized roof. The wide wedge shim is awesome for installing. I am going exclusively with Polymer Modified, and I have been so effective that I don’t need the jobs that they don’t want to spend the extra money.
You can't really compare the Vista and Northgate. The Vista is a lower-grade shingle. I get the Legacy and Northgates for the same price. Plus, right when that video released I was involved in my 2nd warranty claim with Malarkey. Neither of them have worked out for the homeowner. Not very impressed with the Malarkey warranty.
@@homesteadroofing Did you every try out the warranty match with MALARKEY? The Vista is Basically a slightly thinner version of the Legacy, but as of January 1 2023 has been upgraded to a class 4 impact rating. That rating is backed up by matching the Northgate in IBHS testing, as well as being one of only 3 to pass the extended testing with Legacy being another one.
@@renurenovationsllc7780 I'm not sure what you mean by “warranty match.”
When you register a MALARKEY warranty you can choose their warranty or a choose a competitors, on a similar shingle and they will match the terms.
Impact rated with a homeowner insurance discount
I work for a roofing company and I fully back Owen’s Corning shingles. I don’t have any issue with certainteed (besides the new horizons that were overpriced and have horrible issues with spider cracking). Certainteed makes a decent shingle, heavy gauge, nice tar line. But I definitely feel like the roofer in this video has probably had to compete hard against Owens Corning in the past and that’s the reason why he has a hate on for them.
The Oakridge shingle still has. A heavy gauge, and I’ve seen 15-20 year old roofs that my company has done that still look nicer than anyone else’s roof in the neighbourhood. The tar line is consistent and thick, and the granular holds on very nicely with this shingle. Owens Corning will warranty this shingle for 50 years through their platinum warranty program (select installers only).
The duration shingle includes the mesh strip for 2 reasons: 1. Impact resistance as mentioned in the video, and 2. Tarline adhesion. The reason duration shingles have earned themselves such a solid reputation is because the mesh strip allows the tarline to sink into the body of the shingle, providing incredibly tight and long lasting adhesion.
The oft I strongly disagree with in this video is pointing out how thick and durable certainteed shingles are while falsely claiming that OC shingles aren’t. Any roofer that’s had to carry a bundle of duration or Oakridge shingles up a ladder knows they are very thick and heavy, especially compared to shingles like iko and BP. This feels completely disingenuous to me, and as a result I don’t trust this source.
For the record, I used duration shingles on my house.
The actual reason I don't like OC is because I have not seen that they stand up to hail at all. Their Storm shingle line is very poor at resisting damage. I have also had to deal with their warranty claim department on a house and it was like dealing with the government. They did not take care of the situation very well. Don't like anything about OC.
I just had duration shingles put on my roof, thank you for the affirmation.
We had our entire roof replaced in 2012. I don't know what shingles they used, other than they told us they were 30yr shingles. Well, last year, we noticed some small leaks around our bathroom fan/vents on the ceiling. And last week we had really high winds here and noticed several shingles were blown up/off. This roof is just under 12yrs old. I feel like we were taken. We live in south texas with extremely hot summers.
30 years is how long the manufacturer's warranty is against product defect. It's not an indication of how long the shingles will last, especially if they're not installed correctly.
so is the certainteed landmark SBS modified...please explain why you like the landmark so much..T Y
The Landmark is not SBS, although they did recently release an SBS version called Landmark ClimateFlex. I actually believe that most shingles are equivalent (Tamko excepted - they're not good). I really like CertainTeed as a company. I believe they stand behind their contractors, products, and the homeowners and the other companies don't do that as well.
What is your opinion of Malarky Vista Shingles. Are they also SBS Modified Asphalt - class 4 shingles? Your videos are extremely useful. Thanks for all the info.
Yes, Malarkey makes a good shingle, but we've seen warranty issues with them a few times recently.
the vista is class 4 and looks like a super well made shingle..ultra flexible, granules deeply adhered and tough.. they arent suited to really hot areas though sadly.
@@skip741x3 could you elaborate more on the Hot area? what is going to happen to the Vista in summer? I'm from DFW Texas. Thanks.
What do you think of metal (shingles looking) roofing system instead of shingles? I heard great things about it.
If you live in a hail area, I don't like metal. Yes, it's tougher than most shingles, but if you get big hail, it will still get dented. Many insurance companies are writing exclusions into their policies so they don't have to cover "cosmetic" damage to metal roofs, but that could leave you with a roof that looks like the moon surface. Check out this video here - th-cam.com/video/H11l3D4XfUE/w-d-xo.html
What shingles would be better for the Pacific NW. We are looking for shingles that don't loose granules and for the longevity. We were offered Pabco Premier, Certainteed Northgate, Certainteed Landmark AR, Certainteed Presidential TL, Malarkey Presidential.
All of those are very different. Presidential is a luxury shingle and quite a step up from Landmark. Northgate is an impact resistant shingle which you probably don't need where you live. There is no such thing as Malarkey Presidential. Presidential is a CertainTeed product.
Can you recommend some shingles that work well for the Pacific NW climate that wont loose much granules and are know for their longevity @@homesteadroofing
Homestead Roofing, what are your thoughts on Malarkey Highlander shingles? I'm considering putting these on my roof. Would these shingles hold up well to the hot San Antonio, Texas weather? I would consider the Legacy shingles you mentioned too, but not sure how much more expensive they would be. A local supply store quoted me at $37/bundle for the Highlander shingles. Thank you for the educational and entertaining videos!
I'm really happy that the videos are helpful! In my opinion, if the price difference is small, I'd go with the Legacy. The Legacy is class 4 I.R. and the Highlander is a class 3. Colorado Springs is a very temperate climate, so I can't really speak about how well the shingle would do in the really hot weather in SA.
they can blister in high ,direct heat... outstanding for cooler areas
@@skip741x3 What do you recommend then in DFW texas... I'd want a class 4 IR shingle for sure.
Thanks. One roofer we're talking with is suggesting Certainteed Landmark, but their website has nothing but horrible reviews. Can you elaborate why so many have had issues with that brand?
That's a good question. I don't really know. I've been using CertainTeed now for almost 10 years and haven't had any bad experiences with it.
Midnight Plum VS. Estate Gray? house already has estate Gray....here in Southwest Texas, hot area....and it hails alot here...
I haven't heard of a shingle color: Midnight Plum. I had to look that up. I see that it's OC's color of the year. It's definitely not one I would ever recommend. I'd stick with Estate Gray.
My guess is that eventually the Plum will be discontinued, then if you ever have to do a repair, you won't be able to get the shingle. The oddball colors don't tend to stick around for long.
@@homesteadroofing oh ok..thanks...I didnt even think of that .I really do like the estate gray..I've redone it the same color 2wice already
I just started looking into shingles to replace a concrete tile roof in southern California. I'm totally confused! Any suggestions would be welcome. don't want cheap stuff, but middle tier would be fine. Great video, thanks!
Consider Brava or CertainTeed Northgate. Brava is a synthetic and is indestructible.
@@homesteadroofing Thanks for the reply and the info. I like CertainTeed, but the color I want isn't available anymore.....Slate Gray. I'll check out Northgate and Brava.
@@homesteadroofing I am currently looking at a new roof, and in getting quotes found out that in LA County now our roofs have to meet the "prescriptive cool roof requirements" in California, Title 24 (Part 6), and also meet or exceed 20 SRI which is the minimum requirement for the Green Building Standards Code of Los Angeles County. So the only materials that seem to comply are either the Owens Corning Cool Roof shingles or the Malarkey Ecoasis SBS Modified Cool Roof. Thoughts?
It sounds as if the SBF modified shingles are impact-resistant shingles without being classified as such. True? For example, the Certaintneed shingle. It is SBF modified, but is it classified as impact resistant? I'm asking because some insurance companies give premium discounts to the homeowner if they use impact resistant shingles.
What about malarkey SBS for hail like golf ball hail or dime size hail we get in Saskatchewan Canada?
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IMO, nothing seals like OC surenail...that fabric strip does magic. I won’t go on anymore about OC😂
I’ll see if Project Farm can test shingles 👍🏼
Seal strips do a lot of good when the grits fall off the shingles. That has been my experience with almost all the latest versions of shingles from brands that are not Polymer Modified.
@@renurenovationsllc7780 well, we don’t get hail much here, and I’ve yet to hear from any homeowner with a complaint about the OC Surenail
@@renurenovationsllc7780 sealing well surely helps WIND ISSUES🤣
I have found that Sure nail shingles are much easier to repair because you can get them apart. The Oakridge at after several years is nearly impossible to get apart, until the glue ages to 15 years or so. You can grab the Sure Nail strip and pull and zip the shingle right apart. Totally took my faith in it’s holding power away after I did a few repairs. The edges of them are crumbly, and break/roll easily, even when using soft soled shoes, in comparison to higher quality shingles. The difference when leaf blowing off a new roof is HUGE. We used to seal the last nail in the vent, then use a cap, bent it in half, rubbed it together to get grits to cover the sealant. One cap did several nails. With MALARKEY you use several caps, and still have issues covering one nail. It is day and night difference. So much so that I am refusing to install shingles that are not Polymer Modified.
I have them on my house and just got them on my garage today.
Timberline natural shadow
I agree with on the Malarkey Legacy.
Your kinda harsh and unfair with OC. The Oakridge sucks but I use OC Duration 80% of the time and if they want class 4 I use the OC FLEX . We don’t get the Storm in Alberta.
You can’t beat the sure nail strip on the Duration and FLEX. And they super seal. We never get blow offs.
I was about to sign a contract with a roofer here in NJ who is offering Owing Duration
Watching this video I was about to change my mind. But after reading your comment I don’t know what to do! 🤦🏻♂️
Any thoughts?
You would be very happy with the Duration. I don’t recommend the Oakridge. If you’re looking for class 4 I recommend Malarkey Legacy or Owens Corning FLEX. The OC ‘s seal better if your in a high wind area.
Thank you so much.
So I have one contractor that I like offering me the Owings duration and one that is offering GAF timberline HDZ.
Thoughts?
I’d go with Duration.
I'm also in a state of confusion, and live in a high wind area (florida). I am being offered OC, Duration, or from a different contractor the Landmark. My current roof has had many shingles blow off and suffer wind damage.
We're trying to get Melarky put on a house near Atlanta, Georgia, and they need a distributor here. We called Melarky, and they said it was too expensive to ship it there, which is odd because they use them in Alaska. Is the Certainty North Gate available in the Atlanta area? Is there a gentleman's agreement that they don't cross each other's territory? I have the same problem in Tallahassee. Would installing an ice and water barrier help an asphalt shingle against hail?
That's a really good question. You could ask a roofer or one of the supply companies like ABC or Beacon.
Adding IWS to the roof won't help protect the shingle from hail damage. Do you get hail in Atlanta?
I am in South Florida with no hale. Is the Owens Corning Duration still a no go?
I just don't like OC products.
New subscriber. Builder put Atlas Chalet Shingles on our home. 12 years later some hail damage. I did some research...a lot of research. I was pretty much the last homeowner to replace my roof because roofers went through my community like locusts promising me the world. As I said, my roof exhibited some hail damage even though we had no leaks. I settled on a respected roofer and the roof was approved by my insurance company. 42 years with no claims other than a cracked windshield and a tow. The approval was immediate....ya think?
Haha. I decided on Landmark Pro Shingles Charcoal, and every upgrade as far as accessories.
My neighbors went with OC, and GAF. One had three tabs installed, but I kept my thoughts to myself. From what I gleaned on your fine website, and others, my roof was installed over two days, and I think by the book. It wasn't cheap, but feel we made the right choice. Our roof is beautiful.
I now find myself looking at roofs all of the time. Atlanta, GA. Thanks for your sage advice on roofing.
That's awesome news! I'm really glad that you love your new roof. Thank you for sharing.
Atlas Chalet had a recall and legal issues.
Atlas Chalet = CT Horizon
I have a roofer that uses CertainTeed Landmark shingles and is using black felt paper for underlayment. Is that ok? I am concerned that he should be using CertainTeed Synthetic underlayment paper.
That's pretty surprising since the synthetic is about the same price now. Not sure why he would have done that, but it should be OK>
@@homesteadroofing Though I myself am yet to form an opinion either way, and though tarpaper is not as safe to walk on, and needs the shingles installed before a rain causes tar-paper-warpage which is reportedly prone to show through to the installed shingles over-time, I've read that some installers / homeowners prefer tarpaper underlayment over synthetic as it can add to the life of the shingles by donating shingle tar supporting chemicals to the underside of the shingles over time...
Very interested to hear others' thoughts on any aspect of this...
Thanks much for the super informative videos - learning alot for my upcoming re-roof...!!
Texas Heat kills all your favorites. The glues dry up and delaminates your laminate shingle overtime. Certainteedtoblowoff, Tamko, and Atlas are the most wind repairs in this area. Hail is Hail and large hail will require replacement of any manufacture. Class 4 will hold up to smaller hail and will save you money on your premiums here in Texas and hopefully your deductible, not having to replace your roof during smaller hail events. OC oakridge is an entry level laminate shingle and is a great upgrade for someone with a 3-tab roof wanting a laminate shingle with 110 mph wind rating and on a budget. If you can afford a higher wind rating OC Duration is a good quality shingle and GAF HDZ is a close 2nd, both can upgrade to a class 4 Impact resistant. When it comes to shingles in the extreme heat of Texas it comes down to glue performance & granule retention. I agree about Tamko... pure trash. Unfortunately the roofer that installed my roof used Tamko - 15yrs ago and I regret trusting his opinion. Just waiting for a hail storm. Going back with 24g standing seam 4sure.
I have been searching and can not find anyone else complaining about the Malarkey Vista delaminating from the southern heat. Is this comment based off hear-say or your real world install and call back situatuons? I was all set on this shingle until ai read this. Besides it is one of the few quality SBS IR shingles I can get down south- we are always subject to junk supplies down here. Almost all the supply houses down here push Tampko- yuck!
@@shaun4bigblocks993 Big malarky vista fan here, almost ready to go with them...Ive examined them in had compared to other brands and they Are a different breed, Tough! However, Ive heard they are suited to colder climate areas and Not suited to high heat areas...issues being they blister up from the heat...never ever heard of vista delaminating though.. that shingle is flexible, granules embeeded solidly into it and highly unlikely to delaminate.
GAF looks like it would delaminate if you looked crooked at it
What do u think of Certainteed Landmark for So Florida?
That's a difficult one because the climate where I live is so radically different. Here it's normally very dry and cool Colorado Springs is over 6000' elevation. I would ask your roofer to give you references to other homeowners who have had Landmark installed and ask them and the roofers how the product performs.
Hi there, can you explain what the numbers mean from our requirements with our HOA. Ex: Owens Corning Duration Premium (245-255)? Thanks
The 245-255 is most likely the weight of the shingle that they want installed on your roof. That's pounds per square of shingles. A square is 100 square feet. Hope that helps.
Is there any OC product that you would recommend?
I don't know anything about the Flex, but regarding the others, no I wouldn't recommend them.
OC would like a word.... lol
Do the darker colors of Landmark shingles fade much over time or do they retain most of their color?
That depends on the environment. Even here in Colorado with the harsh sun and dry climate, they don't seem to fade that much.
Certainteed shingles use ceramic granules which retain a truer color over the years. All shingles will fade over time but cheaper shingles go from black to grey over the years.
I am currently dealing with Tamko's warranty 0/10 do not recommend!!
Delamination out of the pack and roofer didn't catch it. Reported issue at the end of November, it is now the middle of February and just now getting an approval. They kept asking about hail and nailing schedule, as if that was the cause!
Yep... I don't like Tamko.
What about the certainteed Saint-Gobain
Saint-Gobain is the parent company for CertainTeed
Why have you not mentioned GAF Timberline HDZ?? Please comment about your experience with it T Y
Because it's not one of the 3 that I *would* put on my house and I limited the number of ones I *would not* put on my house to 3 for this video.
@@homesteadroofing i will NOT use GAF after my research..to many issues with QC.....my certainteed architectural shingles were installed in 1989 and they just started hairline cracking after 34 years!! It was really a 3 tab shingle with different layers for depth...color was prairie wood....great install over an existing shingle...do they ever make anything anymore of that quality??? I doubt it!!
Very helpful video, thanks! Would you recommend installing certainteed presidential solaris TL in California.
I actually don't know much about the Solaris product line. In my opinion, it's probably an unnecessary expense.
Shingle companies dont warranty for hail anyway, its covered under insurance. Malarky is 2nd to last for top shingles on google. Oc is top 3rd. Certainteed is 4th.
My take away from this is that his competitors sell OC and we know what shingles he sells.
I actually used to use primarily OC and had so many problems, I chose a better company.
I have gotten 6 estimates and none of them have taught me anything about shingles much less do they show us samples.
That's a bummer. Make that a requirement of the roofers you interview.
@@homesteadroofing I’m telling you we have real losers in my area who are a detriment to your profession.
No comments on GAF? Mississippi heat and gulf storms are an issue here. My current options are OC and GAF. Everyone here dishes on Certainteed and Tamko. Never heard of Malarkey, but the name wasn’t necessarily a bright marketing idea. 😉
I was only intending on talking about 3 I would, and 3 I would not put on my house.
I guess I clicked on this video too late. We chose OC as our brand today. We mainly get wind damage here in mid GA. I hope we made a decent choice
Go with their FLEX product. It's their SBS version to compete with the Northgate and the Legacy.
@@homesteadroofing ahh thank you so much, will do
😂😂😂😂😂when you said do you have one you really don’t like.....I was gonna type Tamko...then you said it 😂😂😂
Probably everyone thought the same thing
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Tamco is a great product. It's a thicker shingle and hard to cut .
What about GAF HDZ?
How about the Atlas pinnacle?
I've heard good things about it but don't have experience with it.
I live here on the Florida panhandle. I need a new roof. Of course it's very hot here right now. Would i still want the Certainteed Landmark shingles over the GAF. I'm open to your suggestions. Thanks.
I prefer CertainTeed over GAF.
Is gaf timberland uhdz a builder grade shingle?
Good question. I don't work with GAF shingles at all so I'm not completely sure, but I think this is a step up from their basic shingle. Another roofer may comment about it here.
I’m not hear to bad mouth you and your preferences, I am quite curious what region you’re in and if that makes a difference. I live in Oklahoma and I’ve owned my business for 12yrs and personally been installing for 18 yrs now, without a doubt the most repaired shingle I’ve fixed is landmark. My observations make me feel like it’s a poor adhesive design (maybe it’s too hard?) I frequently note it looks like the adhesive never properly activates. My curiosity is I wonder if we’re getting stock from a different plant? I’ve noticed over the years that same manufactures but different plants can have decent variances? My top three are vista, duration, and dynasty
I'll definitely pass your experiences on to CertainTeed. I have a very good relationship with several of the people there and I know they will want to know about this problem you've had.
Your shingle assessment is pretty biased towards certain regions of the country. Where I live, hail is not the issue, but high wind damage is. We only use Owens Corning because of this. But we will tell customers to upgrade to the Duration series shingles, especially if they live in a high wind area.
Over the last three years that I’ve been selling Owens Corning shingles in our area, I could probably count on one hand how many times we’ve had to come back out to replace wind-damaged shingles.
The video is about which shingles I would put on my own house. I live in a hail area.
In Los Angela’s I consider the Ultimate shingles since 1985 to of been Celotex Ambassador & Presidential TL next ELK Prestique Plus & GAF Ultra however I stopped using GAF about 12 years ago when they wouldn’t honor a claim..I believe they changed ownership around that time and the thickness of the shingles changed.… After buying Celotex Certainteed changed the thickness and shape of the Ambassador and called it Landmark TL and along with the Presidential TL changed the formula, still good they would start to show normal granular loss after 10 years whereas the Celotex Ambassador & Pres Tl shows Zero granular loss after 24 years….Those 2 shingles were designed to go after Cal Shake and I talked well over 200 customers out of using cal shake or any similar synthetic type shingle All of which are long out of business..
What about Atlas StormMaster shake?
I've heard good things about Atlas, but I've never used them.
How about Atlas Pinnacle
I've heard good things about it, but Atlas isn't a major player here in the Colorado Springs market, so I don't have any experience with it. I know they're making in-roads, though.
By the way, I am in New Orleans, Louisiana and plan to install a new roof. Any suggestions, will be deeply appreciated.
Is GAF oyster grey having a lot of issues
I don't know. I don't work with GAF at all.
Is Atlas any good?
I've heard really good things about, mostly on the Roofing Insights channel. They're not a big player here in my town and I've never used them
What if hail isn't a major concern?
I'd use the Landmark
Use whatever shingle you like, now a days they're all pretty much the same, don't listen to a guy that make a living off subs/likes and hailstorms or getting kickbacks form Manufactures/ realtors. stick with the mid-range shingle and you will be fine it's all in the skill of the roofer, the guy with a tan and ruff hands. OK my last words, never hire a salesman you want to talk to the owner period.
@@carlsmith4767 🤣If the owner sells a roofing job... he's a salesman.
No shingle in existence holds up to hail nearly as well as Euroshield ♻️ rubber roofing.
Which can't be installed where fire-rated material is required...
I only sell Malarchy now.
Getting hail damage is a bunch of Malarkey!🤣
Opinion on IKO?
Only one experience with it and it was a failed shingle and warranty replacement.
Great video, thank you. We moved to Abilene Texas a few years ago and had our first big hail storm at our house on April fools day. Our neighborhood got hit pretty hard and all of a sudden roofing company signs popping up everywhere. Our Insurance adjuster was here today and confirmed our roof was toast. Now just waiting to hear how well the insurance company is going to take care of us.
Would you buy anything from loews or home depot, lol???
Not shingles.
Certainteed shingles can shed granules at an alarming rate.. beware... I have a friend with them on her roof and in 13yrs, many of the shingles lost almost All their granules...
I've been installing CertainTeed for years and have not seen this happen. I have had them on my own roof for a long time with no problems.
Did Certainteed stand by it's shingle warranty and replace it??
Does cert have a 50 yr warranty. I'm in between a cert landmark or a ecmr aluminum shingles for 3.5xs the cost I can't find value...
@@user-gk2ut8mc5e sorry for the delay in response, I dont always recheck my posts to see comments... No , the issue was not repaired under warranty...Reason was , there was a hail storm ,which damaged the roof and it was fully replaced under the homeowners insurance...She had no idea her roof had lost the granules in alot of areas but when it was inspected for the hail damage, it was mentioned and pics shown her of the damages which were hail impacts and granule loss.. her roof was only 13yrs old.. no idea how certainteed would have handled the warranty, her home insurance fronted the bill.
@@homesteadroofing Ive heard responses like urs brother and I dont doubt ur honesty at all.. the only thing I could guess is that there Are bad batches from time to time, and the issues that befall some people are legit ones but may happen for that reason...
aside from granule loss, Ive been discouraged from using them by other roofers who mentioned issues with them blowing off under the wind and reason for it being they didnt adhere down properly and develop a secure bond... again, there is no reason why the roofer who told me this would lie, it was not to his advantage as he was a certified certainteed installer and was Loosing me as a customer by sharing this...
How come you didn’t mention GAF?
It's not one I put on my house.
Because they're not worth mentioning. Lol! Kidding. Had them on my last house. This house = Certainteed.
There were three grades at Malarkey. There was the Highlander/class 2
Vista/class 3
Legacy/class 4
However, all of these shingles have been moved up one grade, and I primarily install vista which is class 3
Most of the time the vista will not have a cosmetic waiver attached from the insurance company and still gives you 90% of the protection… In my experience, the legacy would have a cosmetic waiver attached to it, which in my opinion is not in the best interest of the homeowner
Excellent video this comment comes from Roger The Roofer, Dallas, Texas
Or you could put on Euro Shield and never worry about it again! Warranty for 70 years but it won’t give you repeat business……
Except that Euroshield isn't allowed to be installed where I live because it's not a fire-rated product. How someone could sell a product that isn't fire-rated is beyond my ability to understand.