Congratulations! You successfully created a video for roofers rather than consumers! The information is essential, but unless you make references to the brands you're demonstrating, the info has little to no relevance!
I have a 13 year old OC Duration shingle roof in SW, Florida. Two hurricanes, the last being a direct hit from Ian, and not a single shingle was damaged. A spectacular result given that all the roofs around me, including metal roofs, were severely damaged. As for algae protection, very little. I already had to clean my roof once and will have to do it again next year. Another thing is granule loss. It seems excessive to me. The shingle says that it will last 30 years. However, certainly not in the SW, Florida heat and weather. So, the real question is, would I pick Owen Corning shingles again? Yes, I would use no other shingle than OC.
What a great presentation. The information was great, and the presenter seemed to have a good depth of knowledge on the product being shown!! Th anks!!
The presentation all seems fine and well but what I've seen is as follows: Often when the shingle seals down and there isn't enough ability for expansion and contractions because of how the shingle was manufactured the shingles shear right at or just above the exposure line. Just spent two days on a gambrel roof where the Owens Corning Surenail system shingle was applied. Two things were happening: 1. a number of the shingles were sheared off right at the exposure line or very near to it (above it); 2. the laminated top section of the shingles were often still in place but the bottom section of the exposure had sheared and fallen off. All of this could have been due to excessive heat generated below the single due to the roof being gambrel but the owners will be replacing these prematurely. The original contractor had been back a number of times pinning sheared shingles in place. This condition started less than a year after installation but the owners thought the contractor would make it right.... didn't happen. Maybe Owens Corning has got their act together on this product by now, but buyer beware. Warranties are another issue, the major cost of a replacement is the work not the material...often this is not covered. Worst comes to worst, the manufacturer can always blame the installation. Get past the contractor and go for the factory rep. when dealing with an issue.
@@coastcoast2227 I know brother! When searching for a decent shingle , there are Always people who have had a bad experience with literally Any brand you could think of... that leads to a what the hell IS a decent shingle brand ! ? well, I give up as far as finding anything that has no complaints becuz there always someone who is gonna say they had serious issues.. just choose one with an Overall decent rating and a good rep.. thats the best you can do.. installation and the ocassional bad batches that happen account for the rest.
Surprised to hear a complaint on OC. I’ve installed them for 40 yrs. They are quality products. Especially the class 4. They are head and shoulders above competition. On other end of quality scale would certainly be the certainteed. I’ve had 4 roofs that our company installed in 2023 that were defective. All 4 were certainteed class 4. At least I will not have any defective CertainTeed in 2024 since I have installed my last one. Let’s see how a jury sees this one.
Very helpful. In my search I saw several brands and each contractor vouched for the brand they were showing. I just happened to fall in love with the Terra Cotta by OC. Good to know it would be a good if not the best choice.
May I tell you. From a roofing contractor for almost 41 years, you absolutely made the right choice in shingles. It is a simple fact that this shingle is more attractive than others. Plus if you have a problem w a shingle, I would rather deal w OC. Companies like Certainteed have much higher failure rate. GAF is not much better. I had a large job last month where certainteed send us shingles from 5 different months. Every shingle from every month were highly defective. One month later I had another big job that was pre sold to have certainteed class 4. I spoke to supplier and certainteed making sure this dreadful problem had been corrected. Absolutely they promised me. Instead they send me shingles from same variety of months. All defective. Tuesday will be their third attempt to send me shingles that can even be used. It is expensive to have a crew on a job but then they can’t work or they have to cull thru shingle to find some you can use. Will turn a 1.50 day job into a 4 day job. Profit will be less than zero
What if the owens corning "sealing nailing strip" comes loose ? I should have seen the presenter pulling one up and showing how tightly it is attached.
Those singles are something you call seconds and were manufactured wrong at the factory, and they don't just throw them away they sell them for cheap/less (BEWARE). Any good contractor/roofer would see this and have the roofing supplier exchange them before they are applied to a home. AND A GUY WITH NO TAN AND TALKING ABOUT ROOFONG SPEAK FOR IT'S SELF. if you even put one roof on you would have a tan. not a pro.
Hey you are referring to design specifications which may be altogether different than actual performance in the real world. Design specs do not necessarily translate to performance in the real world. I would be more convinced by scientific testing than from design specs.
I just had my roof replaced with OC duration but im kind of on the fence as what to do. The roofer installed the roof in dead heat of the day, should I be concerned with the blemishes (footprints) left behind?
@tonyv33ee While roofing in extreme heat is normal, it's important to be careful not to scuff up the shingles during that time, since this can lead to rapid aging. So it depends on the extent of the damage, but it's worth looking into. I would suggest having the roofer come back and take a look; maybe provide you with a close-up photo. You want the granules to cover the asphalt of the shingle. You don't want the asphalt to be exposed, which can happen during intense heat if the shingle is scuffed from foot traffic. If the shingles are damaged, just have them replace the individual shingles in that area.
In Texas we sell a lot of class 4 shingles. Insurance will give about 23% discount for this roof. The average size roof costs about $2500 to upgrade it to class 4. Often in Texas they pay for themselves in about 18 months. This is Dallas market. Others may vary. The problem lies in companies like certainteed DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS SHINGLE. BEHIND THE SCENES THEY HAVE WORKED ON THIS FOR AT LEAST A YEAR. THEY ARE WORSE OFF NOW WITH ALL THEIR CHANGES. They deny all claims period. They make customers come after them legally. They are heartless and lawsuits will begin after first of year. I’ve been in business 40 years. In all that time I’ve not endured such poor quality on roof products. One thing I can do for free is tell everyone I see that if you use them I’m confident you will find yourself in same situation. Owens Corning, GAF has anything a quality roofer will want. All of these guys will have a failure about 2% of the time. Certainteed is much higher than that. Other than a costly lawsuit is only thing stopping most customers from holding them accountable. Certainteed knows that.
Thanks we’re getting our roof done with Owen Corning Duration Driftwood shingles, how can we tell if they’re the good shingles or is all Owen Corning shingles are just plan good, Total Home Roofing company is doing ours, and that’s all they use.
Hi I work for Owens Corning roofing. We make these at one of our roofing plants. The absolute best shingles in the industry are made by us. Have no worries Pat you're getting a superior product.
@@MrSprintcat Malarkey is a fantastic shingle. But the price you'd have to pay for the Legacy may not be worth it for every homeowner, and OC Duration is a great choice in it of itself - both in quality and price. Looks great too.
43 years, I've worked with pitch, dead level, natural asphalt, synthetic asphalt, modified bitumen, plastic cement, butyl sealants, heck, practically every roofing product on the market. In all that time, I never once worked with "tar".
Have you ever actually tried to lift a GAF or Certainteed shingle after they have melted down? I have, and its almost impossible to separate the two with own destroying them! Tar line over granules is not an issue. Now have you ever tried to separate two owns corning duration shingles? I have, and the tar does not adhere nearly as well to the sure nail strip.
I can attest to this. Did my own (not very scientific) experiment where I took the top brands and nailed each to a make shift roof I built. GAF and CertainTeed were, by far, the first to seal and had the strongest seal.
even the owens corning at 03:18 shows a large area on the very right side that shows the Nailing strip would have missed both layers. Very disappointing. What's up with that and manufacturers doing this?
@@spacecoastz4026 it should be long gone by now if it’s in a basic color. All manufacturers have been running at max capacity for the past year. Everything is on allocation
@@spacecoastz4026 we ended up with Certainteed presidential TL. Love the look of the shingle. Did so much research before choosing shingle and a vendor. Even the vendor wasn’t perfect and messed up a lot. You can’t trust anyone these days and don’t be meek snd afraid to go tough on them. They will all cut corners. My installer was a platinum certified installer by certainteed.
I would never ever use Owen's Corning shingles ever again. They were toast before 20 years was up...I couldn't believe how they didn't last and after a little investigation this isn't an isolated issue. Never again.
The manufacturer warranties are complete crap. So many loop holes in them that you will be lucky to ever get a payout. Find a good company that backs the warranty. Will you pay a little more, yes, the value though will save you a lot of money over time.
That sealing strip is absolute crap if you don't nail that shingle in the exact overlap. When GAF made the first Timberline shingle in 1972 they had a 2" overlap. But as some of us know the bundling of shingles was compromised as the shingles had to be offset to facilitate a snug bundle. Palletizing was also a problem . That shingle cost more to produce but it was far superior to the cheap knockoffs that came later.
Congratulations! You successfully created a video for roofers rather than consumers! The information is essential, but unless you make references to the brands you're demonstrating, the info has little to no relevance!
I have a 13 year old OC Duration shingle roof in SW, Florida. Two hurricanes, the last being a direct hit from Ian, and not a single shingle was damaged. A spectacular result given that all the roofs around me, including metal roofs, were severely damaged. As for algae protection, very little. I already had to clean my roof once and will have to do it again next year. Another thing is granule loss. It seems excessive to me. The shingle says that it will last 30 years. However, certainly not in the SW, Florida heat and weather. So, the real question is, would I pick Owen Corning shingles again? Yes, I would use no other shingle than OC.
What a great presentation. The information was great, and the presenter seemed to have a good depth of knowledge on the product being shown!! Th
anks!!
Glad you found it helpful. Thanks for the feedback too!
Your info has been very useful!! Now finding shingles and installers!
Glad it was helpful!
well done, great explanation
Thanks!
Thank you for this presentation. I’ m more informed!
Glad it was helpful!
I use OC, many great attributes
The presentation all seems fine and well but what I've seen is as follows: Often when the shingle seals down and there isn't enough ability for expansion and contractions because of how the shingle was manufactured the shingles shear right at or just above the exposure line. Just spent two days on a gambrel roof where the Owens Corning Surenail system shingle was applied. Two things were happening: 1. a number of the shingles were sheared off right at the exposure line or very near to it (above it); 2. the laminated top section of the shingles were often still in place but the bottom section of the exposure had sheared and fallen off. All of this could have been due to excessive heat generated below the single due to the roof being gambrel but the owners will be replacing these prematurely. The original contractor had been back a number of times pinning sheared shingles in place. This condition started less than a year after installation but the owners thought the contractor would make it right.... didn't happen. Maybe Owens Corning has got their act together on this product by now, but buyer beware. Warranties are another issue, the major cost of a replacement is the work not the material...often this is not covered. Worst comes to worst, the manufacturer can always blame the installation. Get past the contractor and go for the factory rep. when dealing with an issue.
WhT do you recommend
@@coastcoast2227 I know brother! When searching for a decent shingle , there are Always people who have had a bad experience with literally Any brand you could think of... that leads to a what the hell IS a decent shingle brand ! ? well, I give up as far as finding anything that has no complaints becuz there always someone who is gonna say they had serious issues..
just choose one with an Overall decent rating and a good rep.. thats the best you can do.. installation and the ocassional bad batches that happen account for the rest.
great explanation
Glad you liked it
Excelente información that homeowners should know ,thanks
Wao! Great video! Thanks.
why no mention of the shingle manufacturer being compared?????????????????
True. One would have to be Certain Teed.
Great video. This explains so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Surprised to hear a complaint on OC. I’ve installed them for 40 yrs. They are quality products. Especially the class 4. They are head and shoulders above competition. On other end of quality scale would certainly be the certainteed. I’ve had 4 roofs that our company installed in 2023 that were defective. All 4 were certainteed class 4. At least I will not have any defective CertainTeed in 2024 since I have installed my last one. Let’s see how a jury sees this one.
Great job! I install Owens Corning and love them. Have you had increased local leads by making this video?
Left out the iko dynasty. Best wind warranties
Hey, The installer, may not set air pressure, @ High Pressure , the OC strip (Sure Nail) will stop from going thru shingle
Very helpful. In my search I saw several brands and each contractor vouched for the brand they were showing. I just happened to fall in love with the Terra Cotta by OC. Good to know it would be a good if not the best choice.
May I tell you. From a roofing contractor for almost 41 years, you absolutely made the right choice in shingles. It is a simple fact that this shingle is more attractive than others. Plus if you have a problem w a shingle, I would rather deal w OC. Companies like Certainteed have much higher failure rate. GAF is not much better. I had a large job last month where certainteed send us shingles from 5 different months. Every shingle from every month were highly defective. One month later I had another big job that was pre sold to have certainteed class 4. I spoke to supplier and certainteed making sure this dreadful problem had been corrected. Absolutely they promised me. Instead they send me shingles from same variety of months. All defective. Tuesday will be their third attempt to send me shingles that can even be used. It is expensive to have a crew on a job but then they can’t work or they have to cull thru shingle to find some you can use. Will turn a 1.50 day job into a 4 day job. Profit will be less than zero
Thank you Craig. Sorry for the difficulties you are experiencing.
I would install IKO Dynasty shingles every day of the week!!
Why? Are they better? Doing research on iko performance D
Are those other shingles GAF and Certainteed?
Is the Owens Corning the duration shingles?
Yes
Actually there's another brand that has a nailing strip on the underside not the top AND it blows OC away. Can you guess the brand?
What if the owens corning "sealing nailing strip" comes loose ? I should have seen the presenter pulling one up and showing how tightly it is attached.
Those singles are something you call seconds and were manufactured wrong at the factory, and they don't just throw them away they sell them for cheap/less (BEWARE). Any good contractor/roofer would see this and have the roofing supplier exchange them before they are applied to a home. AND A GUY WITH NO TAN AND TALKING ABOUT ROOFONG SPEAK FOR IT'S SELF. if you even put one roof on you would have a tan. not a pro.
IKO Dynasty is probably the best Shingle right now for the money
Just another example of a nailing strip going through one layer but it does work very well.
No, it’s not, atlas pinnacle is too bad I can’t get that where I live
Hey you are referring to design specifications which may be altogether different than actual performance in the real world. Design specs do not necessarily translate to performance in the real world. I would be more convinced by scientific testing than from design specs.
I just had my roof replaced with OC duration but im kind of on the fence as what to do. The roofer installed the roof in dead heat of the day, should I be concerned with the blemishes (footprints) left behind?
@tonyv33ee While roofing in extreme heat is normal, it's important to be careful not to scuff up the shingles during that time, since this can lead to rapid aging. So it depends on the extent of the damage, but it's worth looking into. I would suggest having the roofer come back and take a look; maybe provide you with a close-up photo. You want the granules to cover the asphalt of the shingle. You don't want the asphalt to be exposed, which can happen during intense heat if the shingle is scuffed from foot traffic. If the shingles are damaged, just have them replace the individual shingles in that area.
In Texas we sell a lot of class 4 shingles. Insurance will give about 23% discount for this roof. The average size roof costs about $2500 to upgrade it to class 4. Often in Texas they pay for themselves in about 18 months. This is Dallas market. Others may vary. The problem lies in companies like certainteed DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS SHINGLE. BEHIND THE SCENES THEY HAVE WORKED ON THIS FOR AT LEAST A YEAR. THEY ARE WORSE OFF NOW WITH ALL THEIR CHANGES. They deny all claims period. They make customers come after them legally. They are heartless and lawsuits will begin after first of year. I’ve been in business 40 years. In all that time I’ve not endured such poor quality on roof products. One thing I can do for free is tell everyone I see that if you use them I’m confident you will find yourself in same situation. Owens Corning, GAF has anything a quality roofer will want. All of these guys will have a failure about 2% of the time. Certainteed is much higher than that. Other than a costly lawsuit is only thing stopping most customers from holding them accountable. Certainteed knows that.
Thanks we’re getting our roof done with Owen Corning Duration Driftwood shingles, how can we tell if they’re the good shingles or is all Owen Corning shingles are just plan good, Total Home Roofing company is doing ours, and that’s all they use.
Hi I work for Owens Corning roofing. We make these at one of our roofing plants. The absolute best shingles in the industry are made by us. Have no worries Pat you're getting a superior product.
To late when I seen this Pat but if you want something better go with malarkey legacy class 4
@@iamangus4319 I call bs
@@MrSprintcat Malarkey is a fantastic shingle. But the price you'd have to pay for the Legacy may not be worth it for every homeowner, and OC Duration is a great choice in it of itself - both in quality and price. Looks great too.
@andrewbays8602 yes I went with the OC.
Why have 2 pieces or 2 layers 🤔 isn't it just a weak area to get compromised?
You never really mention the brand names
43 years, I've worked with pitch, dead level, natural asphalt, synthetic asphalt, modified bitumen, plastic cement, butyl sealants, heck, practically every roofing product on the market. In all that time, I never once worked with "tar".
Are these the the Architectural Owens shingles or trudefinition?
Owens Corning Truedefinition shingle is an architectural shingle. This was the Owens Corning Duration Shingle.
Have you ever actually tried to lift a GAF or Certainteed shingle after they have melted down? I have, and its almost impossible to separate the two with own destroying them! Tar line over granules is not an issue.
Now have you ever tried to separate two owns corning duration shingles? I have, and the tar does not adhere nearly as well to the sure nail strip.
I can attest to this. Did my own (not very scientific) experiment where I took the top brands and nailed each to a make shift roof I built. GAF and CertainTeed were, by far, the first to seal and had the strongest seal.
even the owens corning at 03:18 shows a large area on the very right side that shows the Nailing strip would have missed both layers. Very disappointing. What's up with that and manufacturers doing this?
They have actually changed it since this video and it covers the entire area.
Yeah, I noticed that too right away. They keep skimping on the most critical part.
@@carltonmartin9430 And so how long will it take to get rid of the old inventory?
@@spacecoastz4026 it should be long gone by now if it’s in a basic color. All manufacturers have been running at max capacity for the past year. Everything is on allocation
@@spacecoastz4026 we ended up with Certainteed presidential TL. Love the look of the shingle.
Did so much research before choosing shingle and a vendor. Even the vendor wasn’t perfect and messed up a lot. You can’t trust anyone these days and don’t be meek snd afraid to go tough on them. They will all cut corners. My installer was a platinum certified installer by certainteed.
I would never ever use Owen's Corning shingles ever again. They were toast before 20 years was up...I couldn't believe how they didn't last and after a little investigation this isn't an isolated issue. Never again.
The manufacturer warranties are complete crap. So many loop holes in them that you will be lucky to ever get a payout. Find a good company that backs the warranty. Will you pay a little more, yes, the value though will save you a lot of money over time.
Which company will be easy to deal with
That sealing strip is absolute crap if you don't nail that shingle in the exact overlap. When GAF made the first Timberline shingle in 1972 they had a 2" overlap. But as some of us know the bundling of shingles was compromised as the shingles had to be offset to facilitate a snug bundle. Palletizing was also a problem . That shingle cost more to produce but it was far superior to the cheap knockoffs that came later.