This album sounds like how Billy initially described Adore sounding before it came out. An album that was “pre-Gish.” Sort of goth/new-wave with (at the time) a drum machine. And Jimmy even kind of drums like a drum machine on this album. So awesome.
This album was desperately needed in a time when there is so much recycled trash. Crazy to think this man is still capable of a Mona Lisa after all these years. I haven’t even had enough time to digest every song yet and it’s already the best album of the year if not the decade to me. One thing about him is you can listen to the album from front to back. Not many artists can consistently do that. Especially when we have a generation of so many followers where thinking outside the box is continuously being suppressed by this so called cancel culture.
I would love the chance to sit and chat with wpc, growing up in Chicago at the same time it would be quite nostalgic comparing notes on our hometown hangouts. The guy is a special kind of genius. I just have a ton of respect for the guy.
I’ve been a fan for a long time, and this work is so fresh sounding. I’m pretty sure if I wasn’t already a fan of the band, this album would have DEFINITELY made me a HUUUGE fan. That’s big praise.
What a great open and relaxed interview. I played the Mellon Collie album to death and still do. The new music and Cyr album will become the 21st Century Mellon Collie. I love the new sound. Now if only Billy gets Jimmy to record his style on the Adore album and we could claim another original SP line up. Jimmy’s drumming is crucial to the SP sound in my opinion.
Corgan is one of the best Songwriters of our time and few are as prolific. Though the Cyr album is hard to digest all at once due to it's length and lack of varying tempos, after living with the album for awhile I'm struck by how beautiful 95% of these songs actually are. The melodies, the arrangements, the harmonies are sublime and each of these songs contain the rare type of artistry that is missing in most of today's music.
@@cass2303 I love ATUM so far though. I stand by my theory that they were writing for ATUM and CYR are the songs that didn't make it but they put them out anyway as they knew it would be a few years til ATUM came out. Shiny was 2018 and it's now 2023 so yeah.
I absolutely loved Pumpkins in the 90s, though I have mixed feelings about Billy as a person, he's a little self absorbed...But Cyr is a true masterpiece. Such a great vibe. The production (by Billy) is astonishing, I haven't heard anything sound so good through my headphones in years.
The past few pumpkins albums have felt more like Billy writing a bunch of songs that don’t have much to do with each other, just a group of unrelated songs, and that’s not bad. But this new album really feels like a whole album, kinda conceptual. It all fits together well. Probably their best work since Oceania.
I think he’s being too modest, Smashing Pumpkins still had the Magic songs recently with songs like Knights of Malta, Silvery Sometimes and Solara, a breathe of fresh air in the last half 2018. Looking forward to immersing myself in CYR. Loving this period of creativity by Billy/William and the Band. I also thought Contillions had a great country/folk feel.
I loved them in the 90s (who didn’t) but they just haven’t done it for me last few years sadly. Hope the new album is good as I will give it a listen 🤞🏻
No one's saying "you can't do that" to synth, but at the end of the day you have 3 fantastic guitarists on stage, and a lot of people are puzzled by your choices.
....I don't put my pants on one leg at a time.... I always put both feet in at once - never thought about it until now but maybe I need to go try harder with music.
my opinion its a prequel album to Gish but thats just me......oh btw i've never had to look up so many words in a dictionary for an album ever! so cool....ohhhh dude 14:00 you meeeessssed uuuuppp! its Depeche Mode Yo!! you should know Billy you even covered one of their songs!! sheesh!!
So when the interviewee goes super deep and expresses a message that took a life time to obtain and then the interviewer doesnt reciprocate going on to the next question not acknowledging the profound knowledge that was just pulled out. U cam see it here at the end. Billy started to close up afterward
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I have not bothered with the pumpkins after Machina, my impression is the stuff after Machina is not on par with any of the stuff before, As a fellow Pumpkins fan do you think my effort would be worthwhile?Any feedback is appreciated
Definitely there are a lot of hidden gems in the post-Machina works. I've listened to all of the new albums many times. It's definitely worthwhile to expand.
Check out their 2012 album “Oceania”. It stands alongside their classics. This new one isn’t quite as good, but its solid. I will say, if you listen to Oceania and like it, then check this one out.
That ends up being the problem for some artist's/band's managers;they forget they WORK FOR THE ARTIST/BAND, not the other way around *cough* Sharon Osborne*cough*
Since about 2010 especially after Jimmy left again, Jeff became a muse to Billy. Jeff is such a creative force on Oceania, which is known as the best output from the bands since Machina. If you don't think Jeff had a heavy hand in the creation of that album is insane. Its almost perfect. Just missing Jimmy. And James is his own man. He would never allow himself to be a showpiece and that's all. It's Billy's band, but without the rest of of the core. Its just BC solo. Which you can tell it's not.
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I will go on the ride with Billy,...I “...will let it happen...”. However, the “binary choices” could have been evened out between A & B/synth and guitar riffs a bit more.....
Not so many times you have the (dis)pleasure to see two of the most arrogant guys on this planet together: Lowe & Corgan. Perfect match. By the way "Cyr" the SP new album is just..TERRIBLE. @_@
The music just sounds all over the place, with no real payoff that Pumpkins songs always had. Just a mediocre up and down. Also, I feel like they are trying too hard to sound weird or something.
Billy's voice only sounds good among loud, bombastic guitar riffs and huge drums. He was never a great singer but his voice sat well within that space. Now, his voice sits out in front and it doesn't sound good. I first noticed this on 'Oceana'. Yes, there were quiet songs on earlier albums but it worked. It doesn't work now. And the way he talks about fans in every interview is a joke. FFS the solo from 'Zero' alone is better than this!
The band is lost musically at this point but they keep striving for something, which is good. If only Billy was hemmed in or constrained by a good producer or the band being more critical internally while also Billy having some sort of mental clarity or sincere desire or whatever in order to help him get over the blockages that stop the band from making high-quality music.
Seems to me Billy felt like making some electronic music this time around and not a lot of thought, musical evolution, external critique and time went into it. I think they have a great album in them if Billy works with the right producer.
@@Offy-official-real i think there was thought but...I dont know...there is definitely a lack of judgement as to what works or doesnt work and I think Billy has either lost something which helped him be more discerning or Flood and Butch played a far greater role than what we thought.
@@neilanadams5173 I would say its the former. If you look at every song he wrote from 1989 to 2000, they were all good or great. Even the b-sides. Now, he writes stuff like Run2Me.
He literally is tho. Both real & electronic drums. Also involved in the songwriting. If it were a solo album Billy would release it as such-he just released one last year.
I enjoyed seeing Billy play William Patrick Corgan in this interview.
Word ;)
Billy knows
"there's nothing worse than a ping pong assassin" such a good billy quote
The 10 songs I've heard so far on Cyr are so good! Its innovative and fresh! It's a goth synth atmosphere
Lol
@@countdracula1598 ;)
"im a wizard, I can still do this." billy corgan
I am really digging the new tunes, cant wait for my pre order
Great interview and Billy and Zane have a great dynamic. I love the CYR album and look forward to hearing live someday.
This album sounds like how Billy initially described Adore sounding before it came out. An album that was “pre-Gish.” Sort of goth/new-wave with (at the time) a drum machine. And Jimmy even kind of drums like a drum machine on this album. So awesome.
This album was desperately needed in a time when there is so much recycled trash. Crazy to think this man is still capable of a Mona Lisa after all these years. I haven’t even had enough time to digest every song yet and it’s already the best album of the year if not the decade to me. One thing about him is you can listen to the album from front to back. Not many artists can consistently do that. Especially when we have a generation of so many followers where thinking outside the box is continuously being suppressed by this so called cancel culture.
I would love the chance to sit and chat with wpc, growing up in Chicago at the same time it would be quite nostalgic comparing notes on our hometown hangouts. The guy is a special kind of genius. I just have a ton of respect for the guy.
I’ve been a fan for a long time, and this work is so fresh sounding. I’m pretty sure if I wasn’t already a fan of the band, this album would have DEFINITELY made me a HUUUGE fan. That’s big praise.
What a great open and relaxed interview. I played the Mellon Collie album to death and still do. The new music and Cyr album will become the 21st Century Mellon Collie. I love the new sound. Now if only Billy gets Jimmy to record his style on the Adore album and we could claim another original SP line up. Jimmy’s drumming is crucial to the SP sound in my opinion.
Absolutely and it was none existent on this album with the drums and guitar 🎸 besides two songs. Very disappointing!
I love Dulcet in E too! It's so beautiful!
What a great band name: Ping Pong Assassin. Anyway - I dig your new record William and friends.
Soma & Stand Inside Your Love are 2 of my favs :,)
Corgan is one of the best Songwriters of our time and few are as prolific. Though the Cyr album is hard to digest all at once due to it's length and lack of varying tempos, after living with the album for awhile I'm struck by how beautiful 95% of these songs actually are. The melodies, the arrangements, the harmonies are sublime and each of these songs contain the rare type of artistry that is missing in most of today's music.
Agree
@@cass2303 I love ATUM so far though. I stand by my theory that they were writing for ATUM and CYR are the songs that didn't make it but they put them out anyway as they knew it would be a few years til ATUM came out. Shiny was 2018 and it's now 2023 so yeah.
Wow. The entire discussion of dreams blew my mind.
I absolutely loved Pumpkins in the 90s, though I have mixed feelings about Billy as a person, he's a little self absorbed...But Cyr is a true masterpiece. Such a great vibe. The production (by Billy) is astonishing, I haven't heard anything sound so good through my headphones in years.
I will keep my eyes peeled and ears open for that Bluegrass work.
I love the love for Dulcet in E! It's a favorite for me on CYR
It's a real stunner of a song. Just beautiful.
I've loved Smashing Pumpkins from the get go.Looking forward to new.
WPC is such an interesting guy to listen to. And Zane is a great interviewer. Thanks! And the new album is not bad too.
The past few pumpkins albums have felt more like Billy writing a bunch of songs that don’t have much to do with each other, just a group of unrelated songs, and that’s not bad. But this new album really feels like a whole album, kinda conceptual. It all fits together well. Probably their best work since Oceania.
Being a poet, Billy is a great inspiration
So much music...albums,b sides, outtakes, unreleased music,live only music,solo albums and on and on.Its overwhelming.
Dulcet in E! Its definitely a standout on the new record.
Agreed.
Best album of the year
This interviewer dude is A TRUE FAN. Love it!!!!
He is like this when he interviews every act. He is absolutely insufferable and disingenuous.
So true
Grossly sycophantic with every guest I suppose he has to to get the guests .
I think he’s being too modest, Smashing Pumpkins still had the Magic songs recently with songs like Knights of Malta, Silvery Sometimes and Solara, a breathe of fresh air in the last half 2018. Looking forward to immersing myself in CYR. Loving this period of creativity by Billy/William and the Band. I also thought Contillions had a great country/folk feel.
Solara is really good
not everyones a character, some artists give their soul, some all the time + not just in their music
5:30 he admitted it - he’s a wizard harry 🧙♂️
I loved them in the 90s (who didn’t) but they just haven’t done it for me last few years sadly. Hope the new album is good as I will give it a listen 🤞🏻
Dont listen its average
Yes I recommend it! Also Oceania
@@Simonknowsall
What did you listen to it on?
It's great! Best work in a long time.
Its good !!! So much flavor here.
No one's saying "you can't do that" to synth, but at the end of the day you have 3 fantastic guitarists on stage, and a lot of people are puzzled by your choices.
Wait to you see these songs live one day.
Dulcet in E is my favorite song on the record.
the beginning is the end is the beginning
....I don't put my pants on one leg at a time.... I always put both feet in at once - never thought about it until now but maybe I need to go try harder with music.
" stumbling into places you don't belong"
William Patrick Corgan 2020
Wait... did he really confuse Martin Gores lyric with Morrissey 🤷♂️
He's thinking Blasphemous Rumors for sure.
Yeah, I caught that 🤨
my opinion its a prequel album to Gish but thats just me......oh btw i've never had to look up so many words in a dictionary for an album ever! so cool....ohhhh dude 14:00 you meeeessssed uuuuppp! its Depeche Mode Yo!! you should know Billy you even covered one of their songs!! sheesh!!
Det var den.
So when the interviewee goes super deep and expresses a message that took a life time to obtain and then the interviewer doesnt reciprocate going on to the next question not acknowledging the profound knowledge that was just pulled out. U cam see it here at the end. Billy started to close up afterward
Hi. It's Jimmy Chamberlins sister here. Har dere en eidsvolling i bandet dere da.
CYR album is best pumpkins albums in decades, no fillers
I love hearing Billy talk, but I have no idea what he just said.
Well what he really said is Cyr is about dissociation and he has real dreams where he knows he is inside another dream and loves synths
8:27
my channel is about to launch our TOP 50 Smashing Pumpkins songs series. Hope some of the fans here can join us for that ride and share their memories.
James wrote soma.
I have not bothered with the pumpkins after Machina, my impression is the stuff after Machina is not on par with any of the stuff before, As a fellow Pumpkins fan do you think my effort would be worthwhile?Any feedback is appreciated
I recommend checking the album. It's actually pretty well produced. It's a mixed bag.
Definitely there are a lot of hidden gems in the post-Machina works. I've listened to all of the new albums many times. It's definitely worthwhile to expand.
Check out their 2012 album “Oceania”. It stands alongside their classics.
This new one isn’t quite as good, but its solid. I will say, if you listen to Oceania and like it, then check this one out.
Machina/Machina II (2000)
Cyr (2020)
7:04 I see what you did here
Still waiting for the whole story
@@GEAsolar forever
That ends up being the problem for some artist's/band's managers;they forget they WORK FOR THE ARTIST/BAND, not the other way around *cough* Sharon Osborne*cough*
Ja det er jo Kua det.
I thought Cotillions was considered bluegrass lol
J syr og syr. Syr og syr. Gud.
My dad majored in ping pong in college. No my Dad is not Robert Smith.
I really don't believe this narrative that people push against any of Billy's songs. He's making all the decisions.
Since about 2010 especially after Jimmy left again, Jeff became a muse to Billy. Jeff is such a creative force on Oceania, which is known as the best output from the bands since Machina. If you don't think Jeff had a heavy hand in the creation of that album is insane. Its almost perfect. Just missing Jimmy.
And James is his own man. He would never allow himself to be a showpiece and that's all. It's Billy's band, but without the rest of of the core. Its just BC solo. Which you can tell it's not.
@@allenjohnson4043 So Jeff pushes against songs?
And the haters who can't fathom their being a lack of guitars keep crying.
Cant wait for the rest
That's exactly what I'm sayin!
Love Billy to death but let's be real, who's this 20 year old that only listens to new Pumpkins?
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Solo album... next
Maybe if Zane Lowe bought slightly smaller glasses, he wouldn’t have to push them up every 10 seconds.
I will go on the ride with Billy,...I “...will let it happen...”. However, the “binary choices” could have been evened out between A & B/synth and guitar riffs a bit more.....
Nei.
14:00 it's not a Morrissey line, it's Martin Gore on Blasphemous Rumors, you buffoon.
I, I, i... --= solo album
Still making good records, still pretentious as ever.
I like Smashing Pumpkins DESPITE Billy Corgan. But admit it often takes a “Bill-hole” to make interesting art.
It's nice that Jimmy showed up for the promo shots because he's nowhere to be found on the "band" album.
He plays electronic drums all over the album, & also real drums on Wyttch & Black Forest Black Hills
You can't argue with thick.
Maybe he does not stand out on this album but you would notice that it would not work so well and feel as tight if he was not there.
Apple is such a horrible company
Billy has a bit of Trump personality in him
ummmm.....no.
Not so many times you have the (dis)pleasure to see two of the most arrogant guys on this planet together: Lowe & Corgan. Perfect match. By the way "Cyr" the SP new album is just..TERRIBLE. @_@
Tyyyger
The music just sounds all over the place, with no real payoff that Pumpkins songs always had. Just a mediocre up and down. Also, I feel like they are trying too hard to sound weird or something.
Yup what it got from it, enjoyed a got few tracks tho but yeah some ones are forgettable
Billy's voice only sounds good among loud, bombastic guitar riffs and huge drums. He was never a great singer but his voice sat well within that space. Now, his voice sits out in front and it doesn't sound good. I first noticed this on 'Oceana'. Yes, there were quiet songs on earlier albums but it worked. It doesn't work now. And the way he talks about fans in every interview is a joke. FFS the solo from 'Zero' alone is better than this!
The band is lost musically at this point but they keep striving for something, which is good. If only Billy was hemmed in or constrained by a good producer or the band being more critical internally while also Billy having some sort of mental clarity or sincere desire or whatever in order to help him get over the blockages that stop the band from making high-quality music.
Seems to me Billy felt like making some electronic music this time around and not a lot of thought, musical evolution, external critique and time went into it.
I think they have a great album in them if Billy works with the right producer.
i wish that flood would be back, even more than d'arcy.
@@Offy-official-real i think there was thought but...I dont know...there is definitely a lack of judgement as to what works or doesnt work and I think Billy has either lost something which helped him be more discerning or Flood and Butch played a far greater role than what we thought.
@@neilanadams5173 I would say its the former. If you look at every song he wrote from 1989 to 2000, they were all good or great. Even the b-sides. Now, he writes stuff like Run2Me.
@@TheAlibabatree he also writes stuff like Oceania which is gorgeous
Well, three days on and the album is NOT a triumph.
This is what we need right now, another horribly depressing album by Smashing Pumpkins.
i really want to like new pumpkins music but its just so bland
Oh cmon Jimmy is not on this album, get a clue. Its a solo album
He literally is tho. Both real & electronic drums. Also involved in the songwriting. If it were a solo album Billy would release it as such-he just released one last year.