As a Gen Xer, I feel totally and completely spoiled. Christ, we had no idea how good we had it being born into such an incredible era of rock and then coming of age into shoegaze, and moving into late adolescence and early adulthood in alternative, grunge, and indie.
I knew the music was amazing at the time, but in retrospect, it wasn’t just amazing, it was a once in a lifetime rock n roll musical renaissance that we lived through.
I see a lot of people hate on Billy for being arrogant, but listen to what he's saying there. There's an intelligence there that you don't get from a lot of these other bands from his era. You would think people would respect the amount of thought he put into it and the independence he showed making it the way he wanted. I know I respect it.
The "intelligence" doesn't mean he's not arrogant and unappealing. I think it's natural to react to his incessant whining (about Butch, Nirvana, critics, the audience, etc) negatively. They were great in 1993, but there's a reason that my kids have never heard any of their music, it was of a time and place and doesn't escape that time and place very well.
I got my tinnitus from Dinosaur Jr when they played brutally loud in Manchester in 2006... since then I have experienced different tones of ringing in my ears, I even heard my heartbeat sounding very loud in my ears... it lasted for a few minutes, but it was very scary...
Butch sheds light on something only a songwriter will get, that moment where you play something for someone outside the process and as you’re playing it you suddenly have this moment of clarity where something you’ve heard a thousand times takes on a new light because you’re seeing it through the listeners eyes for the first time and you realize this isn’t good enough
You're experiencing it through the listener's ears for the first time...unless you're talking about music video, then it's through their eyes and ears.
this is so real. when youre the music maker its so hard to get away from the perspective of all the background knowledge and technical bullshit that runs through the mind when you hear your song. getting that outside perspective is everything
I found Disarm really late... passed my 20s, in my 30s... and I couldn't stop listening to it until I could play it on guitar (I'm 5 months into my journey).. still haven't even heard so so much good music.. I don't know how I skipped The Smashing Pumpkins lol but I was really into rap in those younger days :)
acoustic cherub rock is awesome. i love Siamese Dream but Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness double album is for me the pinnacle of rock, up there with The Beatles, Radiohead, & Zeppelin’s best
I was one of those guys who thought Siamese Dream was “overproduced” and even phony. Then I saw SP play live and their total immersion in and mastery of the songs won me over completely.
Pumpkins was my favorite band in highschool. Billy and Jimmy combo is S tier music. Siamese dream is song for song still one of my favorite albums. It's great all the way through. Even saw them a couple years ago and they are still great.
I listen to music I like (I give everything a chance). Music is not a competition, I believe it's an innate sense that all peoples find a way to express. Be eclectic, don't lock yourself into listening to only one genre. Open your mind to the variety of music that's so available today.
Rick I think you should invite Einar Solberg, Steven Wilson and Matt Bellamy because they are the new breed of prog rock music and the future for the generation
Oh God, Billy is so serious I have a crushing urge to make him laugh. When he said he wanted to sound like Boston, I would have said yes! But it’s more than a feeling …
Kind of crazy to think that 30 years ago crafting an album to sit down and listen to or drive to start to finish was not only a thing but a craft and necessary talent for bands. Times have changed so dang much.
Siamese Dreams is a double cd and I played the grooves (or whatever a cd has) off it for months. It was so different than the other rock music at the time.
damn, Jimmy is an awesome drummer; I'm 55 years old, remember hearing the album Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness like everywhere in 95 and 96. a good word for that album then: ubiquitous, as in heard everywhere in Vancouver Canada: computer stores, cars, through an open window of some car, grunge bars like Luv Affair on Seymour, open windows of kids in the neighbourhood played loud loud loud, shopping centers ...
it reminded me of Kiss albums back in the 1970s, used to hear those albums blasting through the bedroom windows of teens in my old neighbourhood, rows and rows of grungy townhouses ...
Siamese Dream is one the best albums of all time. I was in my teens, the music was perfect for the times. I know Billy can be a diva sometimes, I love the Pumpkins all the same.
I don't think Billy Corgan is the Rock God that he thinks he is, but he crafted a damn original sound, and he's a pleasure to listen to when talking music, even with his Jordan Petersen smugness.
Growing up in the late 80's & 90's I over listened to all the amazing music that came out during that time. I must have listened to STP's Core 1000x all the way through. So much so, I really can't listen to that music anymore. There are exceptions, and Smashing Pumkins is one of those bands.
Jimmy dosent get enough credit because he dosent swing his arms around like a gorilla , his technique is utterly flawless, hes like a shark, tiny movements behind the drums but hes controlling an absolute hurricane of speed,percesion and nuance that other drummers of that era just didnt have.
As a drummer, I did too! It’s the perfect analogy and I can’t believe I’d never heard of it before. And it truly does sound different to just single strokes.
It is the perfect analogy. That clip should be shown to every guitarist who knows Am pentatonic and who makes a joke about drummers musicality - or supposed lack thereof. Awesome playing too.
The Smashing Pumpkins have been my favorite band since late 94' when I was 12yrs old. My friend's older brother was being deployed overseas and came in the house with a giant box of cassette tapes one day and plopped them on the floor in front of us. Bands in the box included Weezer, Pearl Jam, AiC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, NIN, Green Day, many other bands and of course The Smashing Pumpkins. We immediately put the Siamese Dream album into the player because we thought the album cover was funny. Life changing moment. Everyone should go watch these full interviews, they're great. All of Rick's interviews are great. Have a good weekend everyone.
1000% i'm not all the way through but the bit from Billy about the Rush riff is mind blowing. don't know if they bring it up in this truncated version or not
Jimmy Chamberlin’s drumming is absolutely melodic. It’s unreal. You can hear the entire melody ofCherub Rock in just his drums. I never realized how much of the musicality of that song was coming from Jimmy. This guy is an absolute genius.
This type of detail, power, nuance, consistency, inconsistency/feel, variety, and conversationality is exactly why Jimmy Chamberlin is the most natural, diverse, exquisite, subtle, powerful, improvisational, inspirationtional, and legendary drummer ever. Yes. Ever.
For me - Siamese Dream is top 3 greatest of all time. It's timeless. I get excited listening to it, even to this day. Alone on an island and I could only have 5 albums to listen to. Siamese Dream is likely my first choice. The layers this album has from just the guitar work, is unfathomable. You can only pick up on it over time.
Love all Smashing Pumpkins, but for me Gish is on another level. IMO one of the greatest albums ever. Would love to see what would’ve happened if they kept going down the “psychedelic jam band“ phase for a while.
When I started learning guitar I picked up the Siamese Dream tab book.. so many great tunes to learn there. After the obvious diasrm, I tackled Soma.. and that one till this day is one of my favorites.. I guess I'm kinda biased haha..
Siamese Dream is among my favorite albums both musically and in production. But if I had to remove one song, it would be Disarm. I always felt that song was out of place with the rest of the album, but it is also one of the songs that makes it popular.
Proud to say I knew Jimmy was the best drummer of his era when I was like 12 in the 90's. (I use the term "best" loosely, I genuinely think ranking musicians is ridiculous)
I was never really into the Pumpkins (no disrespect to them. They're great musicians, just wasn't my thing). But "Cherub Rock..." Yeah, that's the Pumpkins song that I can go back to again and again and again. Such a great track. Love these kinds of track breakdowns from all kinds of musicians.
JC is the only drummer who always catches my attention and makes me stop what I'm doing to watch a man playing the drums...I'm generally not interested in solo drum performances...
I love listening to him cause he’s not just a band guy. Guy is super smart, great with business, it’s interesting to hear his expertise/business/creative mindset.
"I'm going out like Tom Scholz"....such a badass comment considering the fact that A) He's still alive B) He's multi-talented C) He's one of the most successful musicians in and out of music.
Billy's musical background growing up is "Classic Rock", correct, so it make sense that the influence of Boston or Queen would show up in their production values.
I remember going to Lollapalooza in 1995 in San Diego and the Pumpkins were headlining. We were pretty tired by that evening. They opened with Cherub Rock. Omg they sounded so good, we were just shot into the stratosphere for the next 2 hours.
As a Gen Xer, I feel totally and completely spoiled. Christ, we had no idea how good we had it being born into such an incredible era of rock and then coming of age into shoegaze, and moving into late adolescence and early adulthood in alternative, grunge, and indie.
You are correct!!!
You are correct!!!
It was a magic time to be alive, that is for certain.
The 70s were the best time for music
I knew the music was amazing at the time, but in retrospect, it wasn’t just amazing, it was a once in a lifetime rock n roll musical renaissance that we lived through.
I see a lot of people hate on Billy for being arrogant, but listen to what he's saying there. There's an intelligence there that you don't get from a lot of these other bands from his era. You would think people would respect the amount of thought he put into it and the independence he showed making it the way he wanted. I know I respect it.
The "intelligence" doesn't mean he's not arrogant and unappealing. I think it's natural to react to his incessant whining (about Butch, Nirvana, critics, the audience, etc) negatively. They were great in 1993, but there's a reason that my kids have never heard any of their music, it was of a time and place and doesn't escape that time and place very well.
He's a prick but he's a talented one!
@@Datamining101*_Uhh… what?_*
Lol, yeah he sounds like a bratty gen x kid. 😎
@@maso50100 *_Right? Smashing Pumpkins didn’t cause your parents divorce, dude. LOL_*
Fucking love Cherub Rock. Probably the fault of 80% of my tinnitus. JC the best and looking so good!
Ditto
REEEEEEeeeeEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee is my constant companion
@@thwwoodcraft1449 Mine is hissing REEEEEEeeeeEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee like a screaming snake.
The Warning in concert gave me my crickets for life. I forgot my earplugs and was on the front row.
@@brentcollins9727 two 2nd row TOOL shows in 2019 back to back weeks cemented my misery.
I got my tinnitus from Dinosaur Jr when they played brutally loud in Manchester in 2006... since then I have experienced different tones of ringing in my ears, I even heard my heartbeat sounding very loud in my ears... it lasted for a few minutes, but it was very scary...
I would watch 1000 hours of content talking about this record. What an album ❤
One of the greatest of all time I think
Remember Vieuphoria? Must've watched that VHS 1000+ hours in 1994 alone.
Rick does so well at this stuff. And I always appreciate the editing/production.
2:00 “we just wanted to be Boston and Queen”…
WE LOVE YOU BILLY 🎉 🎉🎉
I could listen to this drumming all day long.
Gosh, same here. Chamberlain is the go-to example for rock drumming. BY FAR.
Yeah.. He's effortless..
Im a guitarist but i really want to learn to play drums...and JC is my go to learn❤
Had the same thought. It’s perfect.
F*ck yeah))
Billy and Jimmy are 2 of the best ever to do it. Just amazing ❤
Butch sheds light on something only a songwriter will get, that moment where you play something for someone outside the process and as you’re playing it you suddenly have this moment of clarity where something you’ve heard a thousand times takes on a new light because you’re seeing it through the listeners eyes for the first time and you realize this isn’t good enough
You're experiencing it through the listener's ears for the first time...unless you're talking about music video, then it's through their eyes and ears.
@@le_th_ This reply isn’t good enough
this is so real. when youre the music maker its so hard to get away from the perspective of all the background knowledge and technical bullshit that runs through the mind when you hear your song. getting that outside perspective is everything
@@chis5050 The difference is that afterwards Billy wrote Today, Disarm and Cherub Rock in response to those feelings of inadequacy lol
I could sit down and listen to just Jimmy’s drums for hours on end. Dude has groove.
I found Disarm really late... passed my 20s, in my 30s... and I couldn't stop listening to it until I could play it on guitar (I'm 5 months into my journey).. still haven't even heard so so much good music.. I don't know how I skipped The Smashing Pumpkins lol but I was really into rap in those younger days :)
Listen to that ghost note stuff Chamberlin performed. My goodness.
One of the best at making the busiest, crowded beats sound perfectly simple
6:59 - “It feels like people… humans playing music.”
Thank you VERY VERY MUCH Butch Vig!
acoustic cherub rock is awesome.
i love Siamese Dream but Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness double album is for me the pinnacle of rock, up there with The Beatles, Radiohead, & Zeppelin’s best
I was one of those guys who thought Siamese Dream was “overproduced” and even phony. Then I saw SP play live and their total immersion in and mastery of the songs won me over completely.
Jimmy's precision is simply unmatched.
🎼🤟♥️♥️♥️🤟🎼
Looove The Smashing Pumpkins
The whole interview is epic.
Soma, Rhinoceros, Drown and Mayonnaise are amazing songs. Billy is a little pretentious but still a genius. I love that early Pumpkins stuff.
Pumpkins was my favorite band in highschool. Billy and Jimmy combo is S tier music. Siamese dream is song for song still one of my favorite albums. It's great all the way through. Even saw them a couple years ago and they are still great.
I listen to music I like (I give everything a chance). Music is not a competition, I believe it's an innate sense that all peoples find a way to express. Be eclectic, don't lock yourself into listening to only one genre. Open your mind to the variety of music that's so available today.
Rick I think you should invite Einar Solberg, Steven Wilson and Matt Bellamy because they are the new breed of prog rock music and the future for the generation
Steven Wilson is heart breaking at times, so genuinely immersive
What a touch Jimmy still has... Incredible
“I’m goin out like Tom Shultz not like Kurt” 😂😂😂
He was talking about production wise. Kurt was known for hating overly produced sound and wanted things pretty minimal and raw.
@@Hyde_and_Seekhe said a lot of stuff and often did the opposite.
Oh my God Jimmy Chamberlain is unbelievable on drums.
Oh God, Billy is so serious I have a crushing urge to make him laugh. When he said he wanted to sound like Boston, I would have said yes! But it’s more than a feeling …
Thank you Mr Rick for these very intelligent videos
Kind of crazy to think that 30 years ago crafting an album to sit down and listen to or drive to start to finish was not only a thing but a craft and necessary talent for bands. Times have changed so dang much.
Subscribed. We love you, Rick. Never quit bro!!!
Siamese Dreams is a double cd and I played the grooves (or whatever a cd has) off it for months. It was so different than the other rock music at the time.
All (positive) comments in this interview are so spot on!
Beautiful work Beato
👍🇦🇺
damn, Jimmy is an awesome drummer; I'm 55 years old, remember hearing the album Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness like everywhere in 95 and 96. a good word for that album then: ubiquitous, as in heard everywhere in Vancouver Canada: computer stores, cars, through an open window of some car, grunge bars like Luv Affair on Seymour, open windows of kids in the neighbourhood played loud loud loud, shopping centers ...
it reminded me of Kiss albums back in the 1970s, used to hear those albums blasting through the bedroom windows of teens in my old neighbourhood, rows and rows of grungy townhouses ...
03:36 on repeat
Jimmy is a genius. Plain & simple.
I can't get enough Jimmy Chamberlin.
Billy is right, we bought and listened to Siamese Dream because is WAS different and it was a great rock and roll record
Looking trim Mr Beato 🫡
My favorite sp song❤
Brilliant! ❤❤
JC awesome talent
Billy Corgan is a genius. Such a genuine guy that didnt sell out.
God what an album ❤
Jimmy Chamberlain is a phenomenal drummer.
Siamese Dream is one the best albums of all time. I was in my teens, the music was perfect for the times. I know Billy can be a diva sometimes, I love the Pumpkins all the same.
I don't think Billy Corgan is the Rock God that he thinks he is, but he crafted a damn original sound, and he's a pleasure to listen to when talking music, even with his Jordan Petersen smugness.
Billy doesn’t compromise as any honest musician shouldn’t.
Growing up in the late 80's & 90's I over listened to all the amazing music that came out during that time. I must have listened to STP's Core 1000x all the way through. So much so, I really can't listen to that music anymore. There are exceptions, and Smashing Pumkins is one of those bands.
Nice job. It sounds like my dynacord add one. Also ministry twitch album
Jimmy just sounds soooo Jimmy.
Where is Darcy
Cherub Rock is the song I play when someone has Subs in their car. Blast the bass. You'll thank me
I could hear the Cherub Rock riff perfectly with Jimmy's drumming.
I’d hope so lol
indeed so!
Jimmy dosent get enough credit because he dosent swing his arms around like a gorilla , his technique is utterly flawless, hes like a shark, tiny movements behind the drums but hes controlling an absolute hurricane of speed,percesion and nuance that other drummers of that era just didnt have.
Jimmy Chamberlain comparing the one-handed hits to downpicking is a brilliant analogy. I could tell Rick got genuinely excited in that moment.
As a drummer, I did too! It’s the perfect analogy and I can’t believe I’d never heard of it before. And it truly does sound different to just single strokes.
Chamberlin
@@pooki903brilliant addition to the conversation. What would we do without your once-in-a-generation genius?
It is the perfect analogy. That clip should be shown to every guitarist who knows Am pentatonic and who makes a joke about drummers musicality - or supposed lack thereof. Awesome playing too.
The Smashing Pumpkins have been my favorite band since late 94' when I was 12yrs old. My friend's older brother was being deployed overseas and came in the house with a giant box of cassette tapes one day and plopped them on the floor in front of us. Bands in the box included Weezer, Pearl Jam, AiC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, NIN, Green Day, many other bands and of course The Smashing Pumpkins. We immediately put the Siamese Dream album into the player because we thought the album cover was funny. Life changing moment. Everyone should go watch these full interviews, they're great. All of Rick's interviews are great. Have a good weekend everyone.
Loved your story.
@@daflamer1 Thank you, have a good day.
Man, the riff and tone of Cherub Rock, is legendary.
And the solo is very underrated... don't hear people talk about it enough.
@@uzi978 I can't think of a bad Billy Corgan guitar solo on their on anything Machina or earlier.
So is the drumming
These interviews should be added to library of Congress.
Yes! Thank you! The whole channel I might add
1000% i'm not all the way through but the bit from Billy about the Rush riff is mind blowing. don't know if they bring it up in this truncated version or not
Calm down dude
It's Rick! Say hello to my AR-15!
So should your brain that's composed of one cell.
God damn. 30 years later, he remembers the way Butch wanted him to play it. What a beast.
Jimmy Chamberlin’s drumming is absolutely melodic. It’s unreal. You can hear the entire melody ofCherub Rock in just his drums.
I never realized how much of the musicality of that song was coming from Jimmy. This guy is an absolute genius.
Jimmy Chamberlin is one of my favorite drummer's. To me he was a huge part of the Pumpkins sound. Great interview Rick Thank You.
I mean he is the other half of the pumpkins!
@89joshuadavies the proof of how instrumental Jimmy is to the Pumpkins sound is the Adore album because he wasn't on it.
@@davidostlouis gish was the best for me
Jimmy Chamberlin is my all time favourite drummer. And I love listening to him talk about his drumming.
God he is so good at drumming. It’s unreal. Tastiest sounding stuff ever
my ole high school buddy JC . Trust me. We knew in the mid 80s he had it.
What a great time to be alive!! So spoiled as a teen in the 90s, had NO IDEA how far we had it
This type of detail, power, nuance, consistency, inconsistency/feel, variety, and conversationality is exactly why Jimmy Chamberlin is the most natural, diverse, exquisite, subtle, powerful, improvisational, inspirationtional, and legendary drummer ever.
Yes.
Ever.
I've never missed a flight when Cherub Rock is the wake-up call
Jimmy is such a powerhouse.
The drums on this song always amazed me what an absolute road roller.
His vocals were really fantastic on this album as well as how it was captured and produced 🔥
Cherub Rock is my favorite song ever. Changed my life.
These interviews are so important!
Drummers are underrated!
not by people who know drumming. They totally know hes in the upper echelon.
Not by musicians.
No they're not. Some of you clowns are just obsessed with saying underrated for some reason
For me - Siamese Dream is top 3 greatest of all time. It's timeless. I get excited listening to it, even to this day. Alone on an island and I could only have 5 albums to listen to. Siamese Dream is likely my first choice. The layers this album has from just the guitar work, is unfathomable. You can only pick up on it over time.
Couldn't agree more, this album had such an impact on teenage me in the 90's, still listen to it all the time now
There’s a mutual respect between Rick and the artists that adds a level of authenticity to these interviews I love
Love all Smashing Pumpkins, but for me Gish is on another level. IMO one of the greatest albums ever. Would love to see what would’ve happened if they kept going down the “psychedelic jam band“ phase for a while.
When I started learning guitar I picked up the Siamese Dream tab book.. so many great tunes to learn there. After the obvious diasrm, I tackled Soma.. and that one till this day is one of my favorites.. I guess I'm kinda biased haha..
Same! Looked for another copy yesterday and used it's like 60 bucks. That was such a well transcribed tab book.
Siamese Dream is among my favorite albums both musically and in production. But if I had to remove one song, it would be Disarm. I always felt that song was out of place with the rest of the album, but it is also one of the songs that makes it popular.
Proud to say I knew Jimmy was the best drummer of his era when I was like 12 in the 90's. (I use the term "best" loosely, I genuinely think ranking musicians is ridiculous)
I was never really into the Pumpkins (no disrespect to them. They're great musicians, just wasn't my thing). But "Cherub Rock..." Yeah, that's the Pumpkins song that I can go back to again and again and again. Such a great track. Love these kinds of track breakdowns from all kinds of musicians.
Got to see the Pumpkins last summer with STP opening, such amazing live bands!
Seeing them next month!
Those drums are so clean.
SNAIL will always be my fav ❤
Billy is the greatest songwriter of his generation. Jimmy is a superb drummer. 🎸
8:10 Holy sh*t ! That's a seriously productive six months :0
you should just make a clip of that drum part - man that's the beat - amazing
JC is the only drummer who always catches my attention and makes me stop what I'm doing to watch a man playing the drums...I'm generally not interested in solo drum performances...
The 90s bands that worked all had great drummers.
I love listening to him cause he’s not just a band guy. Guy is super smart, great with business, it’s interesting to hear his expertise/business/creative mindset.
I love the sound of this song. It rocks so well in a mostly upbeat way. I wish there were a lot more like it.
Be cool to have all 3 Butch,Jimmy,Billy all interviewed together at the same time.
"I'm going out like Tom Scholz"....such a badass comment considering the fact that A) He's still alive B) He's multi-talented C) He's one of the most successful musicians in and out of music.
Billy's musical background growing up is "Classic Rock", correct, so it make sense that the influence of Boston or Queen would show up in their production values.
Jesus !!! Jimmy’s drumming is hypnotic
if you like Cherub Rock... check out GEEK USA, one of the greatest hard rock songs ever...
Celebrate Jimmy, Billy, D’arcy and James every day! They deserve praise for that sick run of great songs.
I remember going to Lollapalooza in 1995 in San Diego and the Pumpkins were headlining. We were pretty tired by that evening. They opened with Cherub Rock. Omg they sounded so good, we were just shot into the stratosphere for the next 2 hours.
Class is in session. Rick continues to deliver the goods in these interviews. Amazing.
Brilliant album!
We love you beato
Perfect analogy, I was also thinking of Hetfields downstrokes before they said it! Hah!
Just subscribed, love your stuff Rick. I'm not a musician but love music and the process behind the scenes stuff. Thank you!
Chamberlain plays the vocal line in his drummer, it's nuts.