Hi I liked your analysis. My case is a bit different'; 1. I am down to three seasons, 2 I am trying to move from tent to hammock, 3 I am motorcycle camping. 1 and 2 are somewhat related to my age 76. 3 makes weight less important, though not unimportant, size is still important. I tried using sleeping bag with a sleeping pad in my hammock, that did not work well for me as it moved around so much that I ended throwing it out after a few hours. Fortunately it was a warm evening. This spring I plan on trying my sleeping bag with reflective insolation under it and an under quilt under the hammock.
This is why I bought the Aerie 20. I zip up the Footbox, sinch the drawcords to make it tighter and use it as an over sized top quilt, when it gets colder I can zip it all the way up to get tighter for warmth, and then finally I use it over my current sleeping bag for when it gets really cold. I love it!
I bought my Aerie 20 for use as an under quilt, but my first use of it was as a 2nd bag over my REI Lumen 20 bag, i.e. a two bag system: Saddlebag Lake in the Eastern Sierras in September was surprisingly cold and windy (for me). 😳 SmartWool baselayer, wool socks, wool beanie and puffy jacket completed the sleep system inside a tent. Oh! And a reflective car sunscreen under the sleeping pad helped a smidge.😂
I'm going with just a down blanket for hiking and a wool blanket for car camping. The advantage with a blanket is you can wrap yourself up cowboy style and it eliminates drafts, slithering, and crawling things.
I’ve always used a mummy bag alone but 2 years into a relationship we’ve been using a down double top quilt and it’s fantastic. The weight comes in about the same as my single mummy down bag. It makes for a luxurious back country bed and saves a couple pounds. Would Love to see and OV version at some point. I’ve never completely trusted the lack of loft volume in our current quilt. If you like to cuddle I’d highly suggest it.
At 6'5 with a 52" chest, I am right at the upper limits of OV's larger bags. Getting fully zipped up is a chore and for me personally would only be done if it was going to be below 40-45 degrees for a long period of time through the night and base layers were an issue. Living in a southern climate I have been using a Summit 30 as a top quilt paired with an OV insulated ground pad on the ground and it works quite well. Might be interesting to see a pad strap type set up that a bag could be zipped on to as well as maybe a small 10-12" zip on insulated bag extension that could be connected to a pad strap that could not only widen the bags use as a top quilt but increase the size of the bag slightly when added on and fully cinched up. The extra couple ounces for a big guy like me would be near meaning less and could be pushed right into the stuff sack with the bag for storage.
An important option he doesn't mention is the hybrid hoodless bag that's designed to also work as a quilt. For one vendor, for example, the weight difference between a quilt and a bag is only 4.5oz for a 20f rating, and you get a zip you can close to improve performance at the limits of the bag's rating plus a bit more width so it's not too constricting when closed up. It's an increasingly popular solution for people who like quilts but prefer to seal up when temperatures drop below freezing. For the extra weight, this hybrid design gives you quite a few extra degrees of comfort because of the greater efficiency, especially if the bag also offers a neck baffle. Suppliers include Enlightened, Zpacks, Feathered Friends and Nunatak. It's a good way to enjoy the best of both worlds once temperatures drop into the 20s.
@@TaysonWhittaker Thanks for the reply, but not sure that the Aerie really qualifies in that category. It would be good if you did one though. More than one influential reviewer has adopted this style for their 3 season quilt/bag, and I think the market is growing. The gold standard seems to be the Feathered Friends Flicker - people like it a lot. You might also get some inspiration from the Nunatak 3D Quilt - a sophisticated design but a price point that would be beyond most of us... I think something like this at an accessible price might be a popular addition to your lineup.
This was great, been searching for "my baby was sleeping through the night and stopped" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you ever come across - Qanucas Meyyatt Smasher - (just google it ) ? Ive heard some awesome things about it and my co-worker got cool success with it.
I like both styles. I have an old FSS (Forest firefighter bag, pretty new at 21 years old! ) cold weather bag with a broken zip. I use it as a quilt, because my 16 1/2 year old cat won't sleep with me if I use blankets and quilts. Too heavy for her. So I use the old bag as a quilt in the bed. Camping I take my late Dad's 60 year old Eddie Bauer down bag. Warm for fall cabin camping. Like a big green comfy caterpillar. I'd love a real quilt but the only way I could afford one is if you had layaway for the low income, like under the poverty level people. If you had layaway, I'd buy a quilt, coat & pack!
I’ve used the ECWSS (now MSS) and found it to be better than the rated temperatures for me. That said, I’ve got a commercial waterproof, breathable bivouac bag that didn’t cost over $30 (bought it new on Amazon three years ago and don’t remember exact cost) that weighs 10 oz. I use it with the intermediate or patrol bag for weekend hikes around 30 miles or so during the winter (to be honest I use it most of the year) but temperatures in the southeastern USA seldom get below 10 degrees Fahrenheit (-12 degrees Celsius) even on the mountains.
I am both a side sleeper and I can't zip myself up in a mummy sleeping back. The top quilt setup above seems to be about the same as a mummy sleeping bag for side sleepers
I feel like it would depend in the weather and sleep system. Cold weather, 25 or lower, you want to make sure it is going to keep you warm, no matter what. Summer, just open up your sleeping bag like a quilt. Depends on the environment and time of year. Summer in SoCal vs summer in the mountains. Who knows.
Very well presemted. HOWEVER "Reduce weight? How are you seeing significant weight savings when you have to carry extra pieces like the balaclava and use your coat? Thank you for the information. It showed me that a sleeping bag is the choice for me. Liked and subscribed.
Can you not solve the weight problem of the sleeping bag simply by not having insulation at the bottom of a sleeping bag? Say just a thin fabric to connect the two insulated end.
Great video / comparison. But I guess you are a "still" sleeper, maybe even a back sleeper? For me, who sleep on my side and also toss and turn during the night, the choice is a no brainer. Ever since I started camping, as a wee young lad, I've hated to zip myself up in to a sleeping bag, instead I slept with the zip fully open and the "sides" tucked in around me... Then people started to make top quilts that meant to work exactly how I always used my sleeping bags. :)
Morgan Viking I have never had a problem with sleeping bags. I'm a big dude with wide shoulders, 6'2" 235. Sleeping bags can be tight but if you find the right one, it just stays nicely. If you roll around too much though, how can you keep the quilt from moving off you.
I like the idea of having more room in my bag since I am a side sleeper but, on the AT during a 35 degree night, I froze my butt off. Everytime I turned over, I lost warmth out the sides. I returned mine.
You should consider a "Hoodlum" from Enlightened Equipment, its made out of synthetic APEX so you don't need to worry about losing heat with your breathing moisture
I like having a separate hood with my top quilt because it moves with your head unlike a sewn hood on a sleeping bag which doesn’t and you end up breathing into your bag.
@@TaysonWhittaker Well, not really a great point. You turn a mummy bag with you so that your face is exposed. BTW, I thought this video was a pretty good comparison except for the weight comparison. High-end bags like the Western Mountaineering Extremelite line, are not that much heavier: 20oz for 30degF and 30oz for 20degF.
I know I prefer a sleeping bag but it would be cool if some company could rent similar bags and quilts to help people make a decision on what works best to them. Not implying it should be you doing this though.
Haven’t tried one. Is the footbox of the lower part confining like a mummy bag? Seems like Top quilt setup with the lower part having a wider foot box might be a great setup for side sleeping.not sure if that exists or makes sense.
So a quilt would be cheaper than a comparable sleeping bag, but currently the Summit Series StormLoft Bag 0F (long/wide) retails at $250 (outdoorvitals.com/collections/sleeping-bags/products/summit-series-stormloft-down-sleeping-bag), vs the StormLoft 0F Quilt (long/wide) at $255 (outdoorvitals.com/collections/underquilts/products/stormloft-0-30-f-down-topquilt). What am I missing?
Good question, the topquilt in this video is one of our first synthetic quilts. It is significantly cheaper than a similarly rated sleeping bag. We had not yet produced down quilts at the time this video was published. As you can see, a quilt and a sleeping bagwith a similar rating using down will both be close to the same cost. The advantage of a quilt then becomes mostly based on weight savings/versatility.
I think that mattresses are poorly designed to prevent drafts around the edges. Perhaps you can design one that is "Raised" around the sides in order to keep the drafts to a minimum. I think you would sell the heck out of them. Thanks for the video.
I'm attempting to dial in my gear for my planned PCT 2020 adventure. My tent, sleeping bag are heavier that I want. I was thinking of the enlightened equipment enigma 20. How do you think that yours compares with it? Thank you.
Sounds like a great time! Yes our StormLoft 15 degree topquilt would be very comparable. I believe both have sewn footboxes and you can get the EE in 10D. You would likely save a few bucks with ours and you would get our lifetime warranty as well, but both would be great options for your trip!
You mentioned that one needs a wider top quilt. That's a wash in terms of the total materials. (and thus weight, cost, ...). Also, with a wider top, there is a big chance to touch the ground and sol it or damage it. The sleeping bad will be protected over the bed.
Reduced costs? O.o I don't find any over/ top quilt for less than about 170 Euro after searching half an hour on the net. That is almost 2 thirds of the prize I pay for a good hammock camping set! I live in Germany and it's hard to get one here, so there are the shipping costs, too. These things are never cheaper than any sleeping bag I ever owned!
It really depends on what your biggest preferences are. Top quilts are great if you are interested mostly in lightweight gear. But sleeping bags will keep you just as warm and are a bit easier to get the hang of if you are new to backpacking.
Quilts are... in my opinion not suitable in winter or even early spring, therefore quilts are only an option if you do not mind spending money buying two separate systems or, if you are never going hiking in cold weather period. Carry one more pound and you will not freeze to death...
We are definitely biased towards our own pads, but having used them, I say with good reason. They are insulated and inflate to about 4 inches think and are super comfortable and do a great job keeping me warm. We have regular sized and a long-wide size.
Also an option! Check out our Aerie sleeping bags, they do just that: outdoorvitals.com/collections/sleeping-bags/products/aerie-20-30-f-down-underquilt-sleeping-bag
Currently we are out of stock for the top quilts, but we should have more in by the end of May. We'll release down top and under quilts around June or July.
Outdoor Vitals Cheers any ideas on what your doing as looking at a full hammock setup for a trail ride Im planning in Western Australia. Need to start setting up all my gear
If it's cold enough that the words "draft collar" even cross your mind, just don't go camping FFS! XD I've never understood winter camping. This is recreation? Being miserable is not fun, no matter how much camaraderie is involved. I have a really good old friend who goes camping for his birthday every year. In February. He always tries to get me to go. I love the guy, but I've been telling him to get fucked for 20 years. I feel fine about it. I drink a special mug of cocoa to him on his birthday.
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Hi I liked your analysis. My case is a bit different'; 1. I am down to three seasons, 2 I am trying to move from tent to hammock, 3 I am motorcycle camping. 1 and 2 are somewhat related to my age 76. 3 makes weight less important, though not unimportant, size is still important.
I tried using sleeping bag with a sleeping pad in my hammock, that did not work well for me as it moved around so much that I ended throwing it out after a few hours. Fortunately it was a warm evening. This spring I plan on trying my sleeping bag with reflective insolation under it and an under quilt under the hammock.
This is why I bought the Aerie 20. I zip up the Footbox, sinch the drawcords to make it tighter and use it as an over sized top quilt, when it gets colder I can zip it all the way up to get tighter for warmth, and then finally I use it over my current sleeping bag for when it gets really cold. I love it!
Me too!
Bought the Aerie 20F for the same reasons.
Use it all the time, love this item.
:-D
I bought my Aerie 20 for use as an under quilt, but my first use of it was as a 2nd bag over my REI Lumen 20 bag, i.e. a two bag system: Saddlebag Lake in the Eastern Sierras in September was surprisingly cold and windy (for me). 😳 SmartWool baselayer, wool socks, wool beanie and puffy jacket completed the sleep system inside a tent. Oh! And a reflective car sunscreen under the sleeping pad helped a smidge.😂
Best video on comparison of quilts and s-bags I've found. Thank you!
Just ordered the outdoor vitals 15 deg quilt. Went with long/wide for lil more room. Super stoked.
I'm going with just a down blanket for hiking and a wool blanket for car camping. The advantage with a blanket is you can wrap yourself up cowboy style and it eliminates drafts, slithering, and crawling things.
👍
I’ve always used a mummy bag alone but 2 years into a relationship we’ve been using a down double top quilt and it’s fantastic. The weight comes in about the same as my single mummy down bag. It makes for a luxurious back country bed and saves a couple pounds. Would Love to see and OV version at some point. I’ve never completely trusted the lack of loft volume in our current quilt. If you like to cuddle I’d highly suggest it.
Thanks for the suggestion!
At 6'5 with a 52" chest, I am right at the upper limits of OV's larger bags. Getting fully zipped up is a chore and for me personally would only be done if it was going to be below 40-45 degrees for a long period of time through the night and base layers were an issue. Living in a southern climate I have been using a Summit 30 as a top quilt paired with an OV insulated ground pad on the ground and it works quite well. Might be interesting to see a pad strap type set up that a bag could be zipped on to as well as maybe a small 10-12" zip on insulated bag extension that could be connected to a pad strap that could not only widen the bags use as a top quilt but increase the size of the bag slightly when added on and fully cinched up. The extra couple ounces for a big guy like me would be near meaning less and could be pushed right into the stuff sack with the bag for storage.
Looking at your bags, thx for the videos
An important option he doesn't mention is the hybrid hoodless bag that's designed to also work as a quilt. For one vendor, for example, the weight difference between a quilt and a bag is only 4.5oz for a 20f rating, and you get a zip you can close to improve performance at the limits of the bag's rating plus a bit more width so it's not too constricting when closed up. It's an increasingly popular solution for people who like quilts but prefer to seal up when temperatures drop below freezing. For the extra weight, this hybrid design gives you quite a few extra degrees of comfort because of the greater efficiency, especially if the bag also offers a neck baffle. Suppliers include Enlightened, Zpacks, Feathered Friends and Nunatak. It's a good way to enjoy the best of both worlds once temperatures drop into the 20s.
Check out this option we also offer! outdoorvitals.com/collections/underquilts/products/aerie-20-30-f-down-underquilt-sleeping-bag
@@TaysonWhittaker Thanks for the reply, but not sure that the Aerie really qualifies in that category. It would be good if you did one though. More than one influential reviewer has adopted this style for their 3 season quilt/bag, and I think the market is growing. The gold standard seems to be the Feathered Friends Flicker - people like it a lot. You might also get some inspiration from the Nunatak 3D Quilt - a sophisticated design but a price point that would be beyond most of us... I think something like this at an accessible price might be a popular addition to your lineup.
"Rest" assured, if you've made it outdoors, you've made the right choice.
This was great, been searching for "my baby was sleeping through the night and stopped" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you ever come across - Qanucas Meyyatt Smasher - (just google it ) ? Ive heard some awesome things about it and my co-worker got cool success with it.
I like both styles. I have an old FSS (Forest firefighter bag, pretty new at 21 years old! ) cold weather bag with a broken zip. I use it as a quilt, because my 16 1/2 year old cat won't sleep with me if I use blankets and quilts. Too heavy for her. So I use the old bag as a quilt in the bed. Camping I take my late Dad's 60 year old Eddie Bauer down bag. Warm for fall cabin camping. Like a big green comfy caterpillar. I'd love a real quilt but the only way I could afford one is if you had layaway for the low income, like under the poverty level people. If you had layaway, I'd buy a quilt, coat & pack!
MSS (Military Sleep System) in the 4th season for me. Unfortunately I just cant hike long distances with the 10+ pounds.
I’ve used the ECWSS (now MSS) and found it to be better than the rated temperatures for me. That said, I’ve got a commercial waterproof, breathable bivouac bag that didn’t cost over $30 (bought it new on Amazon three years ago and don’t remember exact cost) that weighs 10 oz. I use it with the intermediate or patrol bag for weekend hikes around 30 miles or so during the winter (to be honest I use it most of the year) but temperatures in the southeastern USA seldom get below 10 degrees Fahrenheit (-12 degrees Celsius) even on the mountains.
I know what you mean about regaining body heat. At one point I was so cold I debated for hours to just get up and use the restroom.
The muscles and energy required to "hold it in" burn up a lot of calories too. If you are trying to keep warm it is prolly better to get up and go.
I am both a side sleeper and I can't zip myself up in a mummy sleeping back. The top quilt setup above seems to be about the same as a mummy sleeping bag for side sleepers
I feel like it would depend in the weather and sleep system. Cold weather, 25 or lower, you want to make sure it is going to keep you warm, no matter what. Summer, just open up your sleeping bag like a quilt. Depends on the environment and time of year. Summer in SoCal vs summer in the mountains. Who knows.
Good point!
with a top quilt and no zipper you won't have to worry bout getting your beard caught
Not just your beard!
Very well presemted. HOWEVER "Reduce weight? How are you seeing significant weight savings when you have to carry extra pieces like the balaclava and use your coat? Thank you for the information. It showed me that a sleeping bag is the choice for me. Liked and subscribed.
Can you not solve the weight problem of the sleeping bag simply by not having insulation at the bottom of a sleeping bag? Say just a thin fabric to connect the two insulated end.
You should add a disadvantage to top quilt which you demonstrated more than once - flipping / dragging it on the ground
Great video / comparison. But I guess you are a "still" sleeper, maybe even a back sleeper? For me, who sleep on my side and also toss and turn during the night, the choice is a no brainer. Ever since I started camping, as a wee young lad, I've hated to zip myself up in to a sleeping bag, instead I slept with the zip fully open and the "sides" tucked in around me... Then people started to make top quilts that meant to work exactly how I always used my sleeping bags. :)
Sounds like top quilts work great for you!
Morgan Viking I have never had a problem with sleeping bags. I'm a big dude with wide shoulders, 6'2" 235. Sleeping bags can be tight but if you find the right one, it just stays nicely. If you roll around too much though, how can you keep the quilt from moving off you.
I like the idea of having more room in my bag since I am a side sleeper but, on the AT during a 35 degree night, I froze my butt off. Everytime I turned over, I lost warmth out the sides. I returned mine.
Let's tackle the pros and cons of having the world's best beard.
Can anyone please tell me the brand of his down balaclava? Looks like the perfect addition to my Bivy setup.
DukeOfDC : www.jacksrbetter.com/product/down-hood/
You should consider a "Hoodlum" from Enlightened Equipment, its made out of synthetic APEX so you don't need to worry about losing heat with your breathing moisture
I like having a separate hood with my top quilt because it moves with your head unlike a sewn hood on a sleeping bag which doesn’t and you end up breathing into your bag.
That's a great point.
@@TaysonWhittaker Well, not really a great point. You turn a mummy bag with you so that your face is exposed. BTW, I thought this video was a pretty good comparison except for the weight comparison. High-end bags like the Western Mountaineering Extremelite line, are not that much heavier: 20oz for 30degF and 30oz for 20degF.
I know I prefer a sleeping bag but it would be cool if some company could rent similar bags and quilts to help people make a decision on what works best to them. Not implying it should be you doing this though.
Is there an updated video with your new quilts?
Good comparisons. I share the 4th season idea of going with a full sleeping bag. Also having a good base layer to sleep in helps a bunch.
Helpful walk through! Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for watching!
Haven’t tried one. Is the footbox of the lower part confining like a mummy bag? Seems like Top quilt setup with the lower part having a wider foot box might be a great setup for side sleeping.not sure if that exists or makes sense.
So a quilt would be cheaper than a comparable sleeping bag, but currently the Summit Series StormLoft Bag 0F (long/wide) retails at $250 (outdoorvitals.com/collections/sleeping-bags/products/summit-series-stormloft-down-sleeping-bag), vs the StormLoft 0F Quilt (long/wide) at $255 (outdoorvitals.com/collections/underquilts/products/stormloft-0-30-f-down-topquilt). What am I missing?
Good question, the topquilt in this video is one of our first synthetic quilts. It is significantly cheaper than a similarly rated sleeping bag. We had not yet produced down quilts at the time this video was published. As you can see, a quilt and a sleeping bagwith a similar rating using down will both be close to the same cost. The advantage of a quilt then becomes mostly based on weight savings/versatility.
I think that mattresses are poorly designed to prevent drafts around the edges. Perhaps you can design one that is "Raised" around the sides in order to keep the drafts to a minimum. I think you would sell the heck out of them. Thanks for the video.
Great feedback!
I'm attempting to dial in my gear for my planned PCT 2020 adventure. My tent, sleeping bag are heavier that I want. I was thinking of the enlightened equipment enigma 20. How do you think that yours compares with it? Thank you.
Sounds like a great time! Yes our StormLoft 15 degree topquilt would be very comparable. I believe both have sewn footboxes and you can get the EE in 10D. You would likely save a few bucks with ours and you would get our lifetime warranty as well, but both would be great options for your trip!
You mentioned that one needs a wider top quilt. That's a wash in terms of the total materials. (and thus weight, cost, ...). Also, with a wider top, there is a big chance to touch the ground and sol it or damage it. The sleeping bad will be protected over the bed.
Do you have proof that its a wash? Like weight of a sufficient bag vs weight of a sufficient top quilt?
I owen both and use the one that work for the situation
That's a great way to go about it!
Reduced costs? O.o I don't find any over/ top quilt for less than about 170 Euro after searching half an hour on the net. That is almost 2 thirds of the prize I pay for a good hammock camping set! I live in Germany and it's hard to get one here, so there are the shipping costs, too. These things are never cheaper than any sleeping bag I ever owned!
What is the top quilt as shown in the video? I just like the blue color lol.
LoftTek 15F topquilt
What,s the best thing for camping for a learning jourey at the seventh month (july) sleeping bag or top quilt pls answer i need to know it,s important
It really depends on what your biggest preferences are. Top quilts are great if you are interested mostly in lightweight gear. But sleeping bags will keep you just as warm and are a bit easier to get the hang of if you are new to backpacking.
What about putting a super light weight bivy like a jungle blanket over the top quilt?
Please consider making bivy sacks!!!
I use my bivy from my MSS and a tarp. Way less weight than a tent and highly modifiable.
Top quilt bugs could be a problem? if no tent.
Quilts are... in my opinion not suitable in winter or even early spring, therefore quilts are only an option if you do not mind spending money buying two separate systems or, if you are never going hiking in cold weather period. Carry one more pound and you will not freeze to death...
What sleeping pads do you recommend.
We are definitely biased towards our own pads, but having used them, I say with good reason. They are insulated and inflate to about 4 inches think and are super comfortable and do a great job keeping me warm. We have regular sized and a long-wide size.
I prefer my WM bag it is lighter then your quilt and more versitle.
Why don't we use a sleeping bag having a zipper which runs through below feet so that it can be used as a quilt?
Also an option! Check out our Aerie sleeping bags, they do just that: outdoorvitals.com/collections/sleeping-bags/products/aerie-20-30-f-down-underquilt-sleeping-bag
Looking on the website and can’t find this top quilt what’s it under
Currently we are out of stock for the top quilts, but we should have more in by the end of May. We'll release down top and under quilts around June or July.
Yo beard genetics are so fucking cool
What quilt is this?
This is the Outdoor Vitals LoftTek TopQuilt.
Some quilts have a draft collar.
Very nice comparison 👍
Thanks!
Are you guys not making top quilts anymore?
We'll have more in at the end of the month and then in June or July we'll have down top quilts to release. Stay tuned!
Outdoor Vitals Cheers any ideas on what your doing as looking at a full hammock setup for a trail ride Im planning in Western Australia. Need to start setting up all my gear
So basically quilt for warmer nights , sleeping bag for them zero or sub zero nights.
Thank you for the information
...what's the name of your topquilt ?? Best regards Martin
The top quilt in this video is one of our LoftTek top quilts.
great video
Dude, Treebeard. Moving on...
Seam to summit spark is a mummy bag and weighs literally nothing.
So with the top quilt you need to buy a pad really.. which is extra money and extra weight
Hmmm
If you are sleeping on the ground you'll need a pad anyways, even if using a sleeping bag.
I have a razor that's calling your name. Love your gear though.
zippers keep critters out
That’s why you learn to use a hammock ;)
Sleeping bag - that's it
how much down - 1lb+ =cheap
If it's cold enough that the words "draft collar" even cross your mind, just don't go camping FFS! XD I've never understood winter camping. This is recreation? Being miserable is not fun, no matter how much camaraderie is involved. I have a really good old friend who goes camping for his birthday every year. In February. He always tries to get me to go. I love the guy, but I've been telling him to get fucked for 20 years. I feel fine about it. I drink a special mug of cocoa to him on his birthday.
Please shave that thing on your face.
Luke Plzstfu
So gross
Of course he will, What else do you need to satisfy YOUR needs?😂🤣
Just cause you boys can't grow one 😂😂😂😂 . It's called being a man hahaha