Ultralight Backpacking Quilts vs. Sleeping Bags - Q&A
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Great job on the video! Super informative and well thought out!!
Hey Dan - thanks for the encouragement. I really appreciate that.
Very clear reviews! Love the style.
Dude, this is an incredible video. Great work!!
Professional - level advice, as usual. Thank you!
Really enjoyed this video. You're a really effective communicator and I learned a lot. Thanks!
Great presentation. Casual, but full of great information and a mix of personal experience instead of just a bunch specs. Nice to hear from someone who has clearly used the gear and spent the time to test things out.
17:46 Good question! I've been thinking about this myself. Thank you for the answer too
I’ve enjoyed the Zenbivy system. It’s modular and works great for me. I’m a side sleeper, stomach sleeper, and “rotisserie” sleeper in general. It lets me move around like in my regular bed
I love that I started watching this video and then 11 minutes in I hear my handle being read. Thanks for the shout out and great video!
Also, nearer the end you talk about making a quilt for under $200. I spent about $180 and made 2 quilts with 900 fp down; one I’ve successfully used in just under 20 degree temps. On the flip side, I spent probably 20 hours researching products and patterns and another 10+ hours cutting and sewing. Oh and dealing with down....hahahahaha, it is a very memorable experience.
Nate! I'm glad you saw the video! Yeah, $100 can easily make you a pretty awesome quilt these days. I love MYOG myself, but I can't count the hours and time involved in researching as part of the cost, because it's just so dang fun :)
Hello Sir, I just stumbled across this video.I found your advice on quilts v sleeping bags to be very informative indeed.Many thanks for sharing your knowledge.I look forward to looking at your other videos.Cheers Rob from Australia.
With a quality and well-engineered strap system, the flexibility of a quilt is wonderful. I live in a warm place but am still able to “get away with” using a 30 degree quilt even when it’s 60 because I can open it up like a blanket. In the cold you just cinch everything up!
My favorite thing about quilts is the extreme versatility across such a wide temp range.
Thanks, you're making me think.
Hi your reviews I think are the best I've seen, the technical information and informed opinion are really well articulated. I had a 10 celsius insulated quilt made for a 230 kilometre hike in the Central Desert of Australia. The maker, Evan Howard of 'Terra Rosa' Gear Australia makes the quilt long enough to pull over your face when it gets cold and the synthetic insulation he uses negates the worry of moisture management in damp environments. It's a small issue but it would be desirable for your reviews to have distances in km and temps in celsius for us heathens added as text post filming. Just a suggestion. cheers Eric
That looks like Vedauwoo! Very informative. Thanks!
Great video! Thank you.
excellent video!! many thanks!
I have a Marmot Nano Wave 35 fiber-filled bag, and lately I've been using it as a 'quilt.' Zipper is a 3/4 zip, but I like the toe-box that this gives. As for tossing and turning---I'm all over the place usually, and yet I've learned to make a more conscious effort in turning over, and if I'm wearing a slick surface pair of pants and jacket, the bag tends to stay pretty much in place (though occasionally I'll get a small draft till I adjust the material). But I don't generally camp in weather below 35 F. Also, when I bought the sleeping bag I got the longer version, which is great when used as a quilt because you have extra material to use if you want to get completely under the bag. The toe-box effect of my bag seems to help keep the bag aligned during use. But below 30 F. I wouldn't use a quilt. Good review. Thanks.
Thank you so much for sharing* I found this very helpful :-)
Quilts for summer, bags with continuous baffles for winter for me.
I use a quilt down to minus 15F. Better quilts have baffles to keep down where it needs to be without shifting and also prevent cold spots. In deep cold, I use a down quilt inner with a summer weight synthetic quilt outside to move the frost point out of the down.
For the Canadians... I got mine from Enlightened Equipment before the last changes to the trade agreement. As per the agreement at the time, and I don't believe it's changed, because it's made in America, I didn't have to pay duties, just shipping. I use a 30 degree, so about zero... mornings in Northern Ontario get at or below freezing in July. With warmer clothing it's been more than enough. My only regret is not buying one taller than I need simply because I like to burrow. Been 5 years of regular use. Could never use a zipped bag again.
I just got my 20 degree EE quilt. Love it! Got the wide/x long but probably could have went with a wide/long, I’m 6’3 and can burrow in it with lots of room to spare lol Getting their Torrid and probably the rest of their line because I’m so happy with it.
Great video. Thank you. I'm sticking with my REI mummy bag as the benefits of a quilt, and there are several I'll admit, are not a priority for me. I sleep like the dead: I don't move at all. Secondly, I'm a warm sleeper and if I was awakened by a cold draft or if I needed to adjust straps in the middle of the night I would not get a good night's sleep. The weight savings between the REI Magma 30 bag vs quilt is negligible @ 2 oz. The bag does cost $40 more but the benefit of the bag justifies the greater cost.
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I went with feathered friends flicker, I did not get much wait savings but the versatility, I got the long so I can still piehole like a bag or open foot box
I have used many bags and typically use my helium 20 degree bag. I recently purchased a 20 degree quilt and began testing them both here where i live in Fairplay, co at 10,000 feet. I have found the quilt trend silly. Unzip your bag if you want those features there is no way a quilt will match a mummy bag efficiency overall.
I am suspicious the quilt manufacturers are the most excited people about quilts.
I love my sierra designs nitro quilt all summer and most of fall. I switch to my synthetic bag in the late fall when my hikes are shorter and weight is not as important.
Wow. I thought that maybe I was going to expose the quilt fad. Apparently people who've experienced them have plenty to say. Good. I did want to mention that I started using my sleeping bag liners inside. When I stayed in cheap BnBs, Hostels, a good bag liner makes any worries about bedbugs not much of a worry. I also started using them at home. I've got the Thermolite Reactor, and a cheap but heavy fleece liner I bought on Amazon (which came with a big useless zipper. I stitched along the zipper and after trying it out for a night removed the zipper). The point I want to make is that even at home with regular bedding, comforters, etc... there are drafts we don't notice except when I sleep in a liner, uninterrupted sleep, regular but high quality bedding, interrupted sleep. I've found that a good sleeping bag and a liner gives me an extremely wide range of temperatures I can sleep in. Very hot weather, open sleeping bag, mostly the liner; very cold weather sleeping bag zipped right up to the mummy hood. I think the quilt fad got started with hammock campers. I've got a backpacking hammock. Sleeping bag, works the same as in a tent or bivy, with quite a bit more squirming and scooching. Everyone I've known who's slept with quilts says their a drafty pain. One thing I do with my air pillow is I've got a string tied to it so I can put the string loop around my air mattress. It's just snug enough to keep the pillow in place. I don't know why this isn't more widely used. I've also figured out all the non-air pillow weight saving alternatives, like a dry bag with some clothes in it. Nothing is as comfortable as a good air pillow. I have two each Klimet mattress and air pillows. Works for me but probably not the only option.
Great post. I’ve been researching quilts for 2 years and I learned more today. I used a mummy sleeping bag last summer as a quilt. It’s no where near as comfortable as the quilt I got shortly after my trip.
-27* in anything is hard core. If you were going on a long trip with temperature ranges from 12* to 40*, what you you choose? Temperature rating?
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Excellent info Daniel - thank you for writing in and contributing to this discussion.
Not just the pad attachment system--make sure you get a quilt sized correctly for you. My quilt was too narrow for my side-sleeping self. Wider quilt? No problems.
Yes, absolutely. One reason I’m a fan of the REI Magma Quilt - standard sizing is wide. These super narrow quilts that are made just to show the lightest weights in their specs - I just don’t know about that...!
13:00 Another reason (from my point-of -view as someone looking for a new down sleeping bag with a Tcomf of about 0C (32f) or below and as close to 500g (.5kg or 17.6oz) and of course for as cheap as possible ;) (most of the ones I've seen ranges from $360-600 ) is that (as you said with the fringe and skill examples) I'm comfortable enough with in a sleeping bag, I know that I can trust it and I don't really have the money to spend $450-460 (minimum, depending on whether I need to buy extra/better straps) for a TLim -12c (10.4f which is, apparently Tcomf≈ -6.5 to -.3.5c or 20-25f) - On the chance that it might something that I like more than a sleeping bag (there are probably better prices but it's an example from the only store, that I know of, which is close enough for me to visit and is specialized enough to have a few quilts).
That's before considering the new headgear etc. I might need to keep warm in sub-freezing temps, and all of a sudden the quilt might be (both costlier and) heavier than the sleeping bag (with a few ounce or so).
Not that I'm not extremely tempted to try one.
The quilt as used as an example is the "Revelation Quilt 10°F (-12C)"
Ive been backpacking for 35 years, and always used sleeping bags, preferring the excellent Western Mountaineering down-filled bags. I've never experienced the issues with bags that are discussed here, and the idea of lying on the bare insulating mat is not attractive, I much prefer having some soft and warm down underneath me.
A bag may be soft under your back, but it isn't heat efficient, all the down being compressed by your body weight. If you use a reasonably high R value inflatable pad then its comfy. I wear down booties too when I know it'll be cold.
Serafin Hikes the WM bags i have are open baffled so you can shake the down to the top of the bag when you want the insulation on top in cold weather, or leave some underneath in milder conditions.
@@Ashley-qc2sc I've considered western mountaineering bags for sure. I use a quilt so I'm lower base weight when thru-hiking. I'm rarely ever hiking when its below 20°. I realize I'm sacrificing comfort while in camp on my hikes. I've only had a few nights of really unrestful sleep due to the temperature.
Gosh that no scope at 7:40
best video
What are your thoughts on the Aegiesmax ultralight down bags?
Little Shop of Hammocks in Canada makes awesome Quilts.
Hi Michael - getting touch with James at LSH - which model do you have ?
I Own 3 quilts and no bags now..... great videos you make.
Thank you! My quilt collection has grown through the years as well...!
I always take my comforter from home I have been doing it for years
I have at least 8 different sleeping bags of different thicknesses,, weights, man-made fibre and down, used singly or in combination depending on the season, temperature & weather. The full length zips allow them to be used as a quilt. What's the difference? Oh and a biker's balaclava (thin/warm) to stop my satellite dish ears from getting cold.
Primary differences between using an unzipped mummy vs. a quilt: 1. The quilt and its pad attachment system create a better seal, while allowing girth adjustment; 2. No hood / zipper to get in the way.
"The full length zips allow them to be used as a quilt. What's the difference? "
Bags don't have the same thickness on the bottom and the top. If you're using an unzipped bag as a quilt, half will be one thickness and the other half another. That and you have the hood in the way.
My quilt became more comfy after I had lost about 35 lbs after 1000 miles on the AT.
I am trying to decide about buying a quilt extra long *78inch, while I am 72inches long. Will this give me more options so "seal inside"? or should it fit just to the shoulders?
Cant pull the trigger on a quilt. I mostly late fall winter camp/hunt in north east. Seems like when its cold secruing the quilt tight just essentially becomes a mummy bag without a hood. Am i off base? Love 2 hear ur opinion.
What shelter is that in the background? Dorigo 2?
This one: th-cam.com/video/x5AfnCFbmAA/w-d-xo.html
What tent is that in the background? MLD?
best quilts on the planet, LSOH Toasters, CDN dollars too for all you canucks
You mentioned loft and fill as a better judge of temperature rating than the rating given by companies. Do you have a breakdown of loft and fill equivalents to temperature ratings guide for quilts anywhere?
A good rule of thumb is that 2 inches of quilt loft is reasonable for a 30-35 degree F rating for most people. Add or subtract 10 degrees F for every 1/2” of loft up or down from there. There are no standards for quilts like there are with sleeping bags.
what's a sleeping bag?jk..quilts are my favorite...some folks prefer bags...i like the straps that go to my pad on the quilt...
I'm confused. At the 9:10 mark you talk about the ends of the quilt being under the sleeping pad yet the part you're adjusting is above the pad. Can you please explain this in more detail. New subscriber. Enjoy your videos! Thank you.
I think that he just misspoke. The range of adjustment should only be from the very outer edges of your pad and inward. If you brought the quilt around and underneath the pad, that would only pin the quilt down tighter to you and essentially reduce the loft/insulating properties of the quilt as the insulation on the top is compressed. Also, the part of the quilt that was pulled under your pad would provide no benefit.
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Don't you feel those toggles underneath you while you're sleeping? (Looking at the 9:40 mark, for example...) Thank you.
1. Best thermal efficiency, a bag by a mile. The bottom side of a sleeping bag is only flattened completely and momentarily under your body's pressure points and still provides warmth and added R value compared to the 0 R of the open area of a quilt. If you move or flip over, the bag relofts and stops the loss of trapped heat in your bag, something a quilt just cannot do as perfectly.
2. Lowest weight sleep system, a bag. Quilts need higher R value pads, more clothing and extra stuff like a down Balaclava. How is that lighter?
3. Futzy, pain in the a** to use, quilt. I use to freak about being confined in my 40° Atom mummy until I tried switching to a 45° Big Agnes quilt. Pain in the a** and froze.
Agree wholeheartedly with #1 - as I mentioned in the video, I don’t think saving weight is the most compelling argument in favor of quilts.
@Moo "The bottom side of a sleeping bag is only flattened completely and momentarily under your body's pressure points"
If you're a back sleeper, everything but your knees and your neck is a flattened pressure point meaning that your knees and the bend of your neck gets the added R value.
" If you move or flip over, the bag relofts and stops the loss of trapped heat in your bag, something a quilt just cannot do as perfectly."
If the quilt is tucked on the sides and has a neck baffle, nothing gets out.
"Quilts need higher R value pads, more clothing and extra stuff like a down Balaclava. How is that lighter?"
R value is R value, else it wouldn't be a value. The items worn on your head while you sleep can also be worn in camp, unlike the hood of a mummy bag.
Quilts are about as intuitive as the blanket on your bed. If it isn't covering a part, that part will be cold. If it is, then it isn't.
In contrast, a bag is more like swaddling.
50.00 75.00 more you can get a Super nice custom ugq quilt.
Since your going to depend 300.00 anyway
Just a thought
Have you ever slept in a sleeping bag at home? So why, after all, did people start using sleeping bags? Since I discovered quilts back in 2014, I never touched a sleeping bag any more. Too restrictive, and too heavy compared to a quilt. With a "foot pocket", I am able to arrange it during the night without really waking up...
Happy trails and good night all!
Has it ever been 30 degrees in your bedroom at home? Not a fair comparison.
A quilt is a lot colder to sleep in as your head is totally exposed at night, and even compressed down under a sleeping bag is much warmer than none at all under a quilt.
Also quilts do not save any weight...My Marmot Phase 30 has the same temperature rating as your quilt, but it's actually lighter (524g vs 539g).
Yes
Im so torn between the Enlightened Equipment Enigma and the Nemo Disco 15 degree down bag.
Me too, or Ugq bandit... Did you decide?
@@davidhughes467 I went with the Nemo Disco 15 and am pleased so far
What do you think of the Jacks R Better High Sierra Sniveller (0F) Quilt?
It’s well done, but probably not at a loft standard to meet a true 0F rating, compared to say, a Western Mountaineering bag.
@@BackpackingLightUSA I want to Western mountaineering bags and couldn't find any information about Loft on a 0 degree bag... Jacks R Better has 3.5 inches of loft on there 0 degree 800 series down Quilts...
My question is: what’s the tent behind you?
This one: th-cam.com/video/x5AfnCFbmAA/w-d-xo.html
came for the quilt and stayed for the dew rag
Looks like your trekking poles are upside down on the tent! Handle side up so you don't tear the DCF unnecessarily!
There’s a trekking pole tip grommet in the peak - so the pole can be pitched tip up.
@@BackpackingLightUSA Awesome!
One of the benefits of a quilt that I especially like is that it takes up much less room in my pack, allowing me to use a smaller pack than I otherwise might.
Definitely. Some of these high end quilts with 950+ fp down and 7d fabrics pack smaller than some of my 3-season puffy jackets!
Hello 👋
Wouldn't it be more comfortable to not wear a jacket while sleeping? 🤔
It's also more comfortable to just stay at home in your bed?
RJ, my sharp ear wonders where u grew up? your pronunciation of the word "bag", sounds close to "baig". Do tell. ;) I have slept under my Nunatak & EE quilts most every night over last 3+ years.
Seattle -> Pullman -> Bozeman -> Laramie! Mostly it’s a Washingtonian dialect :)
Ounces? Was used in Europe more than 200 year's ago!
I dislike mummy bags. Quilt for me. Zin Bevy please.
The Zen Bivy is an unbelievably comfortable bed. I wish it was lighter!
Envelope sleeping bag with a + 15 degree liner... Problem solved.
The best Quilt on the Market...for warmth to weight ratio...is the Zpacks.com there isn't a warmer bag for the weight...
@Armpitjam 4 www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/camping-and-hiking/ultralight-sleeping-bag/zpacks-classic
...Zpacks was only two points from being the top bag and did come in the warmest...and this has been the standard for Zpacks bags...
HA ! i'm a quilter
Novel idea...just dont zip your mummy and use it like a quilt..genius I know. Also saves money since quilts are trendy and almost 2x the cost of a mummy bag
I kinda disagree for the most. So you dislike the extra fabric of the mummy sleeping bag and prefer a quilt but now have to wear your hooded down jacket in the quilt. So add the cost of that jacket to your sleeping system. I think it's also unhygienic to wear a jacket in your sleeping system at night.
So in short. If you need a hooded jacket in your sleeping system your sleeping system sucks big time.
scientific evidence that a sleeping bag if you sleep on the down will not insult you? It makes sense to me, but is there any scientific evidence?
Friar Rodney Burnap Yes. Research how down feathers provide their insulative properties. Then, your answer will be revealed.
Why can’t the US a linear temperature scale like the rest of planet earth? So confusing…