2021 KTM 300XC-W Erzberg vs Sherco 300SE Factory Edition
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- A review comparing the 2021 KTM 300XCW Erzberg edition to the Sherco 300SE Factory edition. I compare the price of each bike, what you get on each model and what still needs to be added.
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For me it's Sherco MoFerco! I have a 2021 300 SE Factory and am extremely pleased with it.
Sherco is way better. You get the Better Suspension, Exhaust, seat, and Electronic power valve,, V Force etc. Way better value
Dude I've tried all the aftermarket wrap around handguard brands and those ktm that mount to the master cylinder are by far my favorite. They never pop out, they are always perfectly in line with the levers, they don't take up more real estate on the bars, and if you crash and you don't tighten your master cylinder down tight on the bar like a moron, they rotate. And they've lasted the longest for me. Never going back to cycra, acerbis, fastway, etc
Good to know. I was wondering about how they would hold up being plastic but you make a good point. I would think the way they mount could also be an advantage because the likely allow the bars to flex more where the aftermarket ones mounted to the bars at both ends make your bars stiffer.
@@PNWEnduro that's true too. Never going back to aftermarket. Btw we ride a lot of the same trails. You'll like the ktm wrap arounds they're excellent.
@@PNWEnduro yes sir. i have the oem plastic hand guards on my KTM and have never cracked and i drop my bike often lol
I think I will keep my 2019 ktm 250 xc forever but thanks for the info. I am really glad I got the last year of the carb and recently just got it paid off
Last of the carbed KTM's, huge resale value. Not that you are planning to sell it!
I used to think the aluminum oil caps were gimmicky until I broke my plastic cap on a rock, I have a metal one now.
Thanks for the breakdown of the erzberg add ons and ones you would add. I was looking at the base model 300 xcw, six days and the erzberg and wondering if the factory add ons for the special models were worth buying individually or if it saved money by buying the bike with them factory installed. This was super helpful. Keep up the great videos 👍
You left so much on the table. The Sherco have Gnarly Fmf pipe, silencer from Sherco also.have V force all from Factory. 7 to $800 there. Quick release seat also a plus to me.
Sounds like someone owns a sherco lmao
Dude exactly. How do you leave out the most important shit? Lol
I run a couple of ktm based carb 2 strokes , 2012 , 2018, 2019 ,they all have keihen carbs fitted with 113A Stic modules ,no wild altitude or temp changes but I can tell you these bikes run well winter ,summer etc and are easy to ride ,you have smartcarb ,lectron TPI etc ,it’s great to have choice depending on what your requirements are ,I think all the bikes are starting to get pricey but that’s how it is ,this is a great time to be a dirtbike rider we are spoiled for choice enjoy the ride before they make us go electric ,doesn’t get any better than this ,pick a colour they are all great bikes 👍👍D
Both are awesome bikes. I recently changed from a 2020 Husky TE300i to the Sherco and love it. it's worth mentioning the tunability of the Sherco compared to TPI. The carb allows you to tune where the TPI just doesn't (although some would argue it doesn't need tuning). Cant go wrong either way.
which one do you feel more nimble, and which one more stable at high speeds, ,husky or sherco?
@@xaviergonzalez4647 difficult to say. I feel like I'm faster on the Sherco. Maybe that's due to the kyb's? I will say that atleast for now I won't be leaving sherco anytime soon 😁
@@ste_t good input. thx!!
Swing arm protectors and different/better seat cover on the KTM? I recall you putting a different seat cover on the Sherco?
Edit: Shaved down the seat on the Sherco but commented on how nice its cover was (no replacement). Thanks for the videos.
@Dirtbike Dave, swingarm protectors added on to the KTM, not stock. The upgraded seat cover did come on the bike though. Thanks for watching.
@@PNWEnduro I can't keep up with it all. I got my 2020 EXC standard edition and very happy with it - though I did add front/rear billet disc guards, clutch slave protection, fan, swing arm protection and fastway pegs cause I smashed the stock left one. Motor is stock; I do not need any additional powerrrrr.
Thanks to you and your videos I got onto a lower bar with less sweep, though not the Astras, it would have been $350AUD. End up with the Pro Taper EVO, Steering Damper Low. Definitely feels better and way less arm pump.
When it comes to parts availability between races, the KTM is in another league over the Sherco. Parts availability is a huge factor with dirtbikes IMO.
The two companies as a whole sure but when it comes down to local dealers and parts actually in stock I have several KTM dealers nearby that carry very little oem parts where the one Sherco dealer has lots in stock. The tps sensors that keep failing on tpi bikes are very hard to find right now as well. Of course not everyone will have a Sherco dealer close by so parts become more of a concern but there are mail order places that can help as well.
@@PNWEnduro what dealer are you getting your sherco parts from ? im assuming its on the pipe in Squamish.
@@Hondocracker Rocky Mountain. MotoXperts and/or OTP for OEM parts.
Nice comparison Greg. Don't forget the fmf pipe which is stock on the sherco. Considering that, plus the kyb suspension, I think sherco will be my next bike. No significant elevation changes for me so, not worried about the carb.
Good point also Id rather run a Stic metering rod on the stock Keihin carb than a smart carb and it’s better performance and save about $400.00 so that takes it back quite allot and as good as the WP is today, it’s still the same WP as found on the base XC-W, KYB ln the Sherco is allot of value considering he base Sherco Race has WP.
@@maverick2242 A good option. If anyone really wants the tpi, gas gas ec300 is a great option because you essentially get the xcw with linkage. Less bling but you can buy some with the lower msrp. Comparing gas gas to sherco also makes the 300 factory look like a great buy because it's only about 700 more with significant uogrades. I think Greg made a great choice and I prefer the look of the sherco over the erzbergrodeo edition too. At the end of the day, they are all sweet rides though.
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The big point for me was dealership and service. I have known my KTM dealer for decades and The Sherco dealer is new to the area.
Great job Greg, thanks for the information
Greg, do you have a video of what improvement the smart carb made? I'm thinking of trying a Sherko and I also ride from 5 - 11k so smart carb would be necessary. Have you ridden a 250? How does it compare to the 300?
I have a few videos featuring the Smartcarb. Here is the first one I did back on my 2017 KTM 250XC th-cam.com/video/4XfAJ42-i0A/w-d-xo.html
For me the biggest advantage is it compensates for elevation and temperature changes. You will also get better mileage. Samrtcarb claims more power and reduced emissions as well.
I have ridden the Sherco 250, it's quite similar to the 300 but not as much torque.
The sherco also has Brembos full FMF Gold series pipe 10.4 letter fuel tank,better triple class exel wheels, alot more quality than KTM
I think the fuel tank is 10.9L. But you can get just as many miles per tank on the TPI with 8.5L tank as it's more fuel efficient, it also uses significantly less pre-mix.
Wishing I stayed on my 2012 EXC300 now.
Howcome? The spec of my normal 2018 ktm xcw is rubbish compared to both of these bikes there just well expensive 😂
I just picked up a 2021 250se, going out for my maiden trip Saturday. I had a hard time deciding between the KTM and Sherco
7:15 your mention of the closeness in price with the Smartcarb added (not needed for most owners) is also downplaying the need for suspension work on the KTM for almost every owner.
The KTM is certainly not Ready To Race, but you can definitely race a stock Sherco 300 SE Factory.
Otherwise a good no nonsense video presenting the facts 👍
I understand that you are in the US so the pricing reflects that, but here in Australia, the Sherco FACTORY is $500 aud cheaper than the stock KTM EXC 300 TPI, and $3200 less than the Erzberg!
(yes you read that right)
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@Dangermouse I did mention the suspension is a whole other debate but I've ridden a few 2021 KTM brand bikes and the suspension has felt pretty good to me. For me the SC is a must and a big reason I switched back to a carb bike but I agree if you are not riding the big elevations changes I do it's not nearly as much of an advantage.
Yeah, the pricing, I see the Sherco is significantly less in AU as well as in Europe. I would guess if the price difference was similar over hear the interest for Sherco bikes would be even greater. Even now the local dealers are selling all the 2021's they get often before they hit the showroom floor. Thanks for commenting, I have enjoyed your Sherco content as well.
@@PNWEnduro
Yes, I understand your riding location dictated the move to the SC.
I'm hanging out for Shercos EFI system as I think that carbs should have died out long ago.
I do love my bike, but stalling in steep hard enduro terrain, wondering if it will start cold (which it alway does now since map updates) etc is tedious.
On the supply issues, our big Sherco market in Aus has seen us get a little more stock than some countries, but ever bike that arrived this year was pre sold - zero dealer floor stock.
Sales were double last year and would have been approaching triple if stock was available... Crazy times 👌
No better over at team Orange locally.... there are no more 21s being shipped (as of April) and they're taking orders for 22s for 3rd 1/4 delivery!!!
@@Danger_mouse consistent running at varying elevations/temperatures isn't the only reason to consider the SC2. They also increase performance throughout with around 10% more peak power compared to well-jetted stock and they provide 25-30% greater fuel economy. Being a single circuit design with no overlapping circuits, the power delivery they give is very linear/controllable. We're looking forward to Greg's mileage feedback in future videos.
Shercos will be carbureted for a good while longer if we have anything to say about it 😉
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Would love to see some dyno charts for comparison guys.
I commented on your helpful install video that it would have been the sort of thing you should have included. 👍
On the Sherco staying with the carbs, we've got 2 years left, tops.
2024 Euro emissions mean that thankfully we will finally see efi on the bikes 👌
As a mechanic who has dealt with efi since the 80s, it will be great to not worry about needles, jets, floats and fuel taps and have a bike you can just lie down on the ground 😉
@@Danger_mouse we'll be putting them out soon. The new dyno just rolled in last week.
Sherco already has the injection ready to go, they just don't want to do it for the additional cost, complexity, and performance issues. Ultimately they'll have to make a move, to your point regarding emissions, but the SmartCarb competes with TPI on that level too - already having been twice emissions certified here in the US for on-road motorcycle use, without catalysts too. Being a sealed system with no external vent lines the SmartCarb is also capable of meeting forthcoming evap emissions requirements. Check-valves in the vent passages of the SmartCarb prevent fuel leakage out of the bowl, offering tip over flooding protection, at least long enough to pick yourself up off the ground anyway 😉
Merits to each no doubt but there's still room for innovation in mechanical fueling. Do stay tuned, first up on the dyno is a 21 300TPI vs 21 Beta 300RR with SC2.
You look funny without a helmet, like Darth Vather in the episode 6.. Haha good video... I did not know...
Um.... thanks? I am a Star Wars fan so I'll let that comment slide lol.
Quite the sense of humour you have there, wtf....
Sherco for the win ,KTM for the bling.
Mani Vs. Wade for the win....
Does the KTM come with a radiator overflow tank as well?
No, although with the fan I don't think it would be needed anyway.
Is the seat noticeably lower on the sherco than a ktm?
Not much lower.
What is the advantage of the solid brake rotor? Any disadvantages on it?
Use solid rear for enduro due to mud (if it is slotted mud packs in the slots then wears out the pads/rotor)
Doh, linkage bike vs non. The KTM offroad is superior to a linkage bike. Not just the clearance but the consistency and movement over harsh terrain. Linkage bike will wear on you and require more rider input. Regardless of parts/price differences these bikes aren't in the same league IMHO. The obvious leader is wrapped in orange.
Oh brother, you sound like an advertisement for KTM. Really, you should go get a job as a sales associate!
sherco has the better kevin carb over the mikuni, and better tunability cause of the carb. KYB imo best suspension. Which is why I'm buying a yamaha 450fx next
I got the 250x yamaha blows these out 7500 msrp I put a lectron carb on .
Where do you get a Sherco SE Factory for $10,500? Is that US price?
USD msrp prices for both bikes, not including dealer fees, taxes etc.
Sherco 😍
How are you mounting the handguards on to the Astra handlebars
Not sure what you mean, they mount like they do on any other handlebars.
Both very nice. How is the resale market on used Sherco's?
Hard to say, I'd guess not as good as KTM as they are not as popular. Then again, used Sherco's are very hard to find.
@@PNWEnduro any quality 2 stroke is selling for a premium in the PNW lately.
Yep, new bikes are selling out fast, also driving up the used bike prices.
Any premium 2 stroke in Aus is worth a premium currently. Second hand shercos have been getting awesome resale since about 2019 maybe even 18 models
Great video. I just bought a new Sherco and have a quick question- what is the rubber strap for hanging in the back of the bike near the coolant overflow? Is the loop supposed to wrap around the tank? I noticed in the video the KTM has the same looking strap. Thanks
Dang, you bought a new bike bro? Congrats, I'm also thinking of buying xcw 👀
I wish. No, I just bought the Sherco a couple months ago. The KTM was loaned to me for the video.
@@PNWEnduro my bad, hmm maybe getting the standard one of xcw 😁
Hello, that's relative I live in Costa Rica here the price of the ktm 300 xc erzbergrodeo is $18.000 instead the sherco factory 300 is $13.900 and it has kyb suspensions also here the ktm exc tpi 250 2t has a value equal to that of the sherco factory 300 does not bring any good component, the ktm tpi 250 to equid it would be $16.000 in my country.
@Esteban vb that's a big price difference, makes the Sherco look like an easy choice. I hear there is a big price difference in Europe and AU as well. Thanks for commenting, it's always neat to hear from riders from other parts of the world.
The weights of the bike's we know ? including also beta 300
The fan kit is $105. Added it to my 300XCW.
That's a good price, I was pricing out the Trail Tech version as that seems to be the most common one people add.
Really the KTM-300xc-w Erzberg Edition is like the 6-days edition which most if not all KTM riders prefer not to waste their money on! Love the Sherco-300 factory edition but what is really the big difference in price like a KTM-300xc-w vs. Sherco-300 factory edition? Check the MSRP on a 2021 KTM-300xc-w not the overpriced Erzberg edition. Technology Elevated Smart Carb 2 is the imo the best carburetor on the market today. I'm looking for a 2018 or 2019 KTM-300xc the carb version.
I'm comparing the top models from each brand. Where I live the 300se Factory is about the same price as the base model xc-w. You can also get the base model Sherco "race edition" which will be less expensive than an xc-w.
Stay with the carb. TPI is not for me
I'm starting to hear that a lot more these days. Look at TM motorcycles, they offer both carb and FI two strokes and the carb models are selling much faster.
I believe that the US TM Racing importer said that they sell 9 carbed bikes to every 1 TPI.
Probably because nobody trusts a FI system from a company like TM...
@@WASemiHardEnduro I'm sure you've ridden one before, but TM bikes are actually good quality bikes. They're FI system is very similar if not identical to KTMs FI
@@WASemiHardEnduro TM are beautiful bikes. I would trust a TM over the KTM version. How many carb bikes would KTM sell if they were able to offer them? KTM still have not gotten it right it is gettting better but i am NOT their guinea pig
what about the dealer network/support ? big ktm group vs sherco.
I guess it depends on the dealer. I've got 5 dealers within 1.5 hours that sell KTM brands and they all have very little in the way of OEM parts in stock where the one Sherco dealer has decent inventory. Warranty issues are a nightmare with KTM, I don't know how Sherco is in that respect.
Sherco is now 11,499.00 . The sherco looks so much smaller.
I have A Sherco 2021 SE Factory and from riding with friends i think the Sherco has better lug
3K price difference here in Australia. KTM is more expensive.
Easy choice to get the Sherco at 3k less!
Ktm come with map switch?
Yes, both bikes do.
it does but on Sherco is much more noticeable when you switch between maps...
With those prices sherco is way better, here in my country Sherco is 1500 usd more than the ktm.
Weird how much it can change, some country's the Sherco is $1500 less.
You couldn't pay me enough to go back to carbs.
TPI bikes certainly have some big advantages and they are only getting better each year.
Same here. RIP carb.
I feel the same way about F.I. having owned both. It's all good until it isn't.
@Rick Riede my buddy's tpi bike took four months for the dealer and KTM to diagnose and fix, this was a big factor in my decision to make a switch this time.
@@PNWEnduro Unfortunately 99% of dealers are clueless on the TPIs. There’s better info on the forums for troubleshooting. It’s actually a very simplistic FI system.
Yamaha yz250x is by far best value in this market, it's made to add parts YOU want keep price down.2022 msrp 7500$
Depends what you consider value I guess. For me it would need E-start, hydraulic clutch and a Smartcarb to even start to be on the same level as the standard KTM. By then it's the same price or more and you still have a more MX oriented bike with a five speed transmission.
@@PNWEnduro I think Yamaha s thinking was to get the bike out at basic level and customer's add the parts they want.I prefer the 250x for the suspension and parts availability, I added a lectron carb , bigger tank and still had a few grad left .To each it's own but I love Japanese bikes
@Jon Smith all good. I know a lot of people love the YZ's so they must be doing something right. It's good we have so many brands to choose from these days.
Sherco se250 k t m xc250 How Much US Dollar
can import in pakistan 2stok
import pakistan
My 95 rm 250 goes every where these over priced beasts can go. I'm sure they're awesome but I cannot justify that kind of money for a weekend toy
only the Tpi system is worth $ 1000! the vibrations and having to mix gas! ktm for ever! The Sherco is more expensive for what you get!
Keep telling youself that and you'll feel better .
Sherco Better!! Motor,suspension, injection Is............... No never more i prefer elettrico!!!!