*Panasonic S5 IIx Review* - Dark Lumix ft. ProRes & ALL-I - th-cam.com/video/7XNIR62fYaI/w-d-xo.html 10:22 G9 II currently doesn't offer RAW video recording G9 II can shoot 4K 120p, I forgot to mention that.
It's incredible how detailed are your reviews, great work! I have just turned from S5 to s5ii and I am very excited to see all the improvements they did in this model. S5 was great and for sure the new S5ii will be even better.
Thank you for your rewiew. I enjoy watching all your videos. For me, the G9II is the camera I've been waiting for. Especially because of the improved autofocus. I will keep my GH5 and GH6 and complement them with the G9II. I have some very good MFT lenses. Therefore, switching to 35mm format is out of the question for me. I can cope with the two stops of noise with excellent AI denoising techniques in Lightroom and Pureraw. For reportage, I am happy to have a larger area in focus. The bookeh of my Olympus 75 mm f1.8 or my 25-50 mm f1.7 is sufficient for me in portraits. I am fully satisfied with the image quality of my MFT cameras. I don't make prints larger than A3 (30x20 cm) anyway. I don't have enough walls in my house for that ;-).
Yeah, but like isn't it better when your original photo isn't unusably spotted with 50% random dots that an AI fills in with guessing? Like my understanding is MFT is basically unusably noise filled like a late 90s CCD unless you're basically taking a photo of the sun.
@@TheHybridShooter I have such a collection of MFT lenses it would be a great loss to switch to FF now. I might try, though, if the price of S5 II comes down... not replacing, but complementing the MFT.
I would find the ability to go from professional use L Mount to travel and family events MFT extremely tempting. The ability to keep one menu system in mind, 1 control layout, reasonable quality video and the ability to choose your favourite lenses and swap them around in the MFT is amazing. Something like this could have a similar effect on the market as hybrid 4k cameras has had.
Like you noted many folks are looking for a new small MFT camera (APSC is often smaller these days) and the g9ii isn’t that (rumors though of either a g7 ii or g100ii, either of which could be wonderful). First time I have heard someone’s logic of why both of these cameras use effectively the same body and it made sense…almost enough for me to consider the G9ii. I can see why some folks are buying both; with the G9ii often into the bird/wildlife category. Well done review!
With what they accomplished in the g9ii, it will be interesting to see what they bring to the table with the gh7 and the s1hii. I can't believe the s5ii already went on sale in its release year for $600 off MSRP. These new Lumix models are an extreme value for the money when you consider the cameras they are compared against usually take a lot longer to come down in price
I think Panasonic is trying to get more market share. They are suffering the loss in the bodies but will net more through lenses. I don’t see the G9 ii going on sale as soon as the S5ii did since they have the m43 market by themselves.
Thank you so much for this review and comparison. Very helpful to me personally. You are a master of your craft, and we all benefit from that. Much appreciated!
@@AidanAnthonypv because people like me care to see how FF vs MFT performs in real life conditions - and whether the better image quality outweighs the advantages of MFT
Great review man, I love and have the G9 first edition, but I bought a Fuji xt-4 about half a year ago, if I knew the G9 MK II was coming out never would have done that. Literally, MK II checks all the boxes for me...just the perfect system to have.
Do you have an ETA on the Pocket 3 review? I've already watched videos about it from other TH-camrs but your one will be the only review that really matters.
Thank you so much for the comparison. I've just given up on Sony FF system (because of the weight, the lack of TC support for 3rs party lenses, Sony's refusal to update current camera line-up with features like Focus Bracketing, AF tracking algorithms, and huge dust problems on the sensor) and went back to Micro Four Thirds for wildlife and macro (for personal use). But I still want to work on becoming a professional photographer for pet portrait and action and AF tracking (especially eye tracking) is extremely important and I do miss the DoF of FF and the flexibility of FF files. How well does S5 II and G9 II handle fast moving subjects like dogs and is there a difference in focus reliability in high burst (20, 30, 60 FPS) between the two?
The criticism is in order when the G9mkII was the only m43 body. But we have a G90 still (not as good), G100 and here we can expect (itseems) a G100 II with the same focussing capabilities (OSPDAF) and 25,2 MP sensor. G100 is MUCH smaller than G9mkII. I think what many hope for is a GX8 with thart 25,2 MP sensor, updated EVF and same OSPDAF. Video etc is less important. Oh and a better IBIS. ANother chunk wants similar specs to GX8 mark II as described above but in a smallish format.
how would you compare now in 2024 the G9 ll with the GH5S? I am asking because I found a GH5S for about 1100 euro while the G9 ll of course is about 1000 euro more... Is it still more valuable to get the GH5 S and a good rig set up and tripod for that extra 1000 euro than to accept the future of Phaedetct and greater continuous autofocus is here and one should then clearly choose the G9 ll in 2024 if one wants to make money on one's videos? What is your take, what is the lower-priced GH5S still good for in this year? thanks for getting back, I really appreciate your videos and your eye for details!
The G9 II offers more 10bit 4k codecs than the GH5S, but does not have the same low light performance or slighter wider sensor size. It depends on your applications. Will you be shooting in very low light? GH5S. Will you need resolution and framerates up to 10 bit C4K 120p? G9 II. Will you need to track subjects reliably? G9 II. In my case, I'm better off with 10bit C4K and 4K codecs will allow robust v-log colour profile straight out of the camera. I want to be able to shoot up to 100p in C4K in v-log. The G9 II will handle this, the GH5S won't.
Was going back and forth trying to decide between the S5II & G9II and ended up purchasing the G9II. Main reasons were that S5II doesn’t have PDAF in 1080p60 and it has a crop in 4K60. Also PDAF & image stabilization are slightly better/improved on G9II. I also do a bit of travel and event shooting so having smaller, more compact lenses (vs FF) is a big plus.
I appreciate your deep dives on the actual performance of these cameras. I have a few Panasonic and Olympus MFT bodies and a S5..and I'm trying to decide if an "upgrade" is really needed. I like to cross format compatibility with the Panasonic bodies although it's possible to miss the the G9 LCD panel. One thing I think you could offer some insight on is the Leica monochrome mode on the G9II. When that was announced there was bit of a gasp in the room at the introduction... but almost no mention of it since. Thanks for all the extensive reviews you offer and I will be watching for updated Panasonic assessment on your channel
The G9ii is a very impressive camera. But, as a filmmaker, the S5iix suits my needs more specifically. Considering that the S5iix is just $300 more, I lean more towards it than the G9ii. For many, including myself, $300 sounds like a lot more. But, with what you get with that extra $300, I think it's a smart investment given the flexibility and power that comes with the S5iix. Thank you for your comparisons. Your videos are important to my decision making process. Cheers.
I film a lot as well and i own mft lenses so the differenc in price is mich more than 300 and i really cant stand the 4k60 crop. With my gh5 i use a 12-40 (24-80) for most things. I need the wide end and the long end. I cant use a 24-70 because it has an apsc crop and no lense to compensate this exists. Having 4k120 is also a point for the g9. All in all the g9 is just better for film makers.
I have Canon R8 with some lenses, I have specifically bought G9ii just for it's "different" advantages over Full Frame. Now after a while of using it, it feels impressive!
I mostly use adapted vintage manual lenses. A good IBIS is key to manual focus. With the latest Panasonic reviews I'm developing IBIS envy... 🤣. The latest Panasonic IBIS seems to be better than the one in Nikon and Canon for use with no OIS lenses.
I have several Pro Olympus lenses like the 150-400 Pro and 40-150 f2.8 Pro and shoot a lot of video. I've been using an OM-1 and E-M1X, both with limited video capabilities compared to any Panasonic m43 body. I've pre-ordered a G9ii to use with those lenses. It will be a companion to the OM-1 in a two camera setup in place of an Olympus 5.3. The G9ii will also be a backup for stills photography with the long lenses. Very interesting review, comparing the G9ii directly to the S5ii. I really enjoyed the review.
@@photonspark VERY happy with the G9ii for video but also for stills. Since it doesn't have a fan, I am able to get it to overheat in direct sunlight on a hot day when shooting more than 20-30 minutes continuously. The AF for stills works very well. I used it yesterday with the Oly 150-400 for dragonflies and the G9ii focused on the eyes in animal eye detect, and that was a pleasant surprise.
Thank you for this video. Completely off topic. I am hoping the S5ii and G9ii goodness flows to the small M43 bodies. I’d love to see an updated GX9 Mii. Please, lease, please include an audio jack. I wonder if Panasonic can produce small full frame bodies like the Sony A7C. Wouldn’t that be wonderful? As you pointed out in this review, there are many things to love about both parties. It’s interesting to consider being in both micro 4/3 and full frame camp. Same body. See menus. Similar output. The best of both worlds. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
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It's not comfortable with a small camera carrying a 2+ pounds lens.
Hello, I came across your videos while looking for lenses information regarding light gathering and usage. Well I saw lots of videos and I like the points you make. My question is - for just a father wanting getter pictures of my kid's football games- Oly 40-150mm f2.8 will be quite similar (apart for the build quality and speed) to 70-300 f5.6 FF ?-even in price - To get very noticeable result the only way is to get an f4 FF or brigther? Thank you for your time. António from Portugal
I've just bought G9ii to for b-rolls to S5ii. Both set to 4k25p, shutter 1/50. I see that both cameras when panning a scenery containing vertical edges of highly contrasting items (i.e. edge of a building or a wall where one wall is very bright and the other adjacent wall is dark) there is heavy flickering effect. Is that normal? I see this can be reduced by going with 50p shutter 1/100, but this is not available with open gate. Please advice. Should such scenes be simply avoided?
Ustaw w menu na stałe migawkę na 180 stopni (świetna opcja w ustawieniach) - wtedy niezależnie od ustawień klatek na sekundę będziesz miał właściwe ustawienie. Używaj 24 klatek na sekundę - będzie bardziej filmowy/kinowy wygląd. Nie panoramuj - to nie jest naturalny ruch głowy przy oglądaniu (żaden turysta nie ogląda w ten sposób zabytków), zamiast jednego długiego ujęcia zrób kilka - czyli tak jak oglądasz coś w sposób naturalny - patrzysz na coś i przenosisz wzrok na coś innego i znowu patrzysz kilka sekund na coś, albo jeśli to jest filmowana osoba czy zwierzę lub inny obiekt to podążasz za nim.
@@edwardpabis ustawiłem. dokładnie to się dzieje przy 180deg (25p i 1/50). Jeśli masz G9ii lub S5ii, nagraj taką scenkę z dość szybką panoramą w poprzek pionowych kontrastowych linii i daj znać czy masz to samo. Chyba, że to od karty pamięci, ale 130MB/s powinno wystarczyć
Thank you very much for this valueable review! Please, have you tried compatibility of Panasonic G9 II with Moza Aircross 2 (control the camera with gimbal, control the recording) ?
Love the G9, with the top display and handling but as they've removed that and ended up with a slightly larger body, looking at alternatives. After watching this and your A6700 video, I'm leaning towards the A6700 over G9 II ( I only have the 8-18 and 12-60 lenses). I don't shoot video, and mainly take landscape photography shots when out hill/mountain walking. Seems Sony have fixed all the issue with the previous gen A6*** series, except single card slot, bigger grip, battery, IBIS and colours. Now secondhand prices are pretty much the same between them. Anything I'm missing with moving to the A6700 ?
Purely for photography I’m really struggling to decide on a new camera system at the moment. Your videos are great but I still can’t decide. Nikon, Sony, LUMIX or Fuji- Fuji seems to be overpriced?… 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😂
Hi there, any chance to see a test of the autofocus with speedbooster and EF lens like on some video existing on youtube about the S5II ? Thanks for your work ! 🙂
Unfortunately, there isn’t. I have moved away from speedboosters a long time ago and I highly recommend doing so to others. There are much better options nowadays.
Thanks for the detailled comparison. I am a G9 owner and already habe a lot of M43 lenses, both zooms and primes. So G9 II would be a "natural" upgrade. I hike a lot and take mostly landscape images, so the size and weight difference of M43 12-35 & 35-100 vs. FF versions is significant for me. Shortly before the G9 II was announced, I considered selling all my M43 gear for the Sony A6700, since I thought APSC would be a good compromise. The reason to upgrade at all from my G9 is that I use it for the occasional travel video, meaning I need video AF-C that works. Do you have an opinion on Sony A6700 vs G9 II? APSC lenses are also quite compact, and the camera itself is even cheaper.
Excellent review and comparison, thank you. This helped my decide to buy a G9ii. My only criticism of your critique is that your low light performance comparison is made in absolute terms and does not take into account the ability of the G9ii to use a lower ISO setting at any given light level for non-moving subjects such as your test scene because of its superior IBIS performance.
Hi, Panasonic G9 II can record 4K 50/60p without 1.5x crop, like S5 II / IIx)? Full Hd mode: ho from this win? On the Full Hd mode, both cameta can use new focus Phase AF or use Contrast AF (old System from Pany)? Thanks
Nice comparison, thx. 2 stops of iso is much, can be very helpful in difficult situations for example when you are in lowlight and need to make the shutter shorter.
Have you tested the video IBIS of the G9ii using an ultra wide lens like a 7.5mm? I heard the G9ii works much better in ultra wide focal lengths than any other camera because Panasonic has algorithms to eliminate corner warping?
Great review, thank you. Maybe someone has already pointed it out but you can indeed set the video and photo settings separately, on the G9II at least, by going to -> gear menu/ Image quality/ Creative Video Combined Set and clicking therein which functions you want the camera to hold separately. I know it is not a very clear way of presenting it in the menu but maybe helpful for some people to know.
Thank you! Yes, it has been pointed out, but as I always explain, it is far from having truly separated modes. Most importantly, you don't have PSAM dial that is useful for setting exposure mode in both stills and video mode, like on Sony.
@@TheHybridShooter That's very true that it is not a convenient way of implementing the separation but at least along with the help of customising the quick menu also separately for stills and video one can make it work. Anyway thanks again for your in depth reviews, they are most helpful.
Great review, I am considering which of these I’d like to get if I was to upgrade soon and every system has its pros and cons so you just need to work out what is best for what you need it for. The more I look at it the more I’m starting to think that the g9II is probably the right choice for me given I’m already in the M43 system and a lot of the work I’ll do with the camera is real estate photos and video and M43 has advantages with those types of shoots especially having no crop in 4K60 (or 4K120). The crop on the s5II isn’t a big deal for a lot of types of filming like weddings or corporates etc as you can just reposition the camera as you need to for framing but with real estate videos it’s often not possible to compensate for the crop especially in smaller rooms and having smaller, lighter lenses would make it easier to use on a gimbal. The only downside over the FF camera in my view is less low light capability and less bokeh but I don’t think these issues are a deal breaker especially considering the advantages the g9II has over the s5ii in many other areas such as high frame rates, internal Pro-Res etc. The G9ii seems to do OK in lower light and you can always get a fast prime or two to achieve shallow depth of field for interviews etc and I'm not a fan of very blurry backgrounds either.
Thank you! My general advice is going with the full frame and therefore Panasonic S5 II / S5 II x, that is the way forward IMO, but if switching is too complicated for you, G9 II is a solid upgrade.
@@TheHybridShooter Thanks for the feedback. I was so close to getting a G9II but at the last minute I ended up getting the S5II. They had an unbelievable deal late last year with the body + kit lens and the 14-28 (valued at AUS$1,499) for AUS$2,804. It was too good to pass on to move to full frame and of course I can also shoot in APSC if I want to punch in more on any given lens. The G9II really doesn't have any deals going at the moment and was more expensive than the S5II with no lenses so it was a no-brainer to go full frame. Loving it so far and am glad I went full frame.
Great comparison of two awesome cameras. For most shooting situations, the extra portability, vast array of (usually) cheaper lenses, and better stabilization make the G9ii the winner in my book.
If I want to film everyday life, travel, walk tour to capture the environment and product reviews where I will behind the camera most of the time to do the talking, elements record for game making and I want to experiment music making with singing and instrument too and the video will be shot with a Panasonic HC-X1500 camcorder and Sony A7RV, what minimal multi use cases no show on screen audio setups are right for me, should I get just one stereo super cardioid shotgun mic or an omnidirectional audio recorder to do it all or combination of them to cover stereo and mono needs? That camcorder has an optional handle with LED and 2 XLR inputs but the setup will be tall even before add the mics, is XLR necessary and will I able to use the XLR handle on the camcorder as music recorder? The gear I have in mind are the unique looking stereo Sennheiser MKE 440, Deity V Mic D4 Duo, Sony ECM-B1M, Sony PCM-A10 recorder, Zoom H2n, Saramonic SR-VRM1, Roland R07 and Zoom H3-VR. For photography, I shoot mainly for document life and creative shots and potentially photograph for photorealistic shots, I haven't know how to get photography gig yet, I will use the A7RV to shoot photo but do you think it's for me I should go for RX100 VII, or something in between, but I think there's no much reasons other than weight to get unpocketable compact cameras because you get less handling and EVF but still need to carry with a bang or hang on neck, I know I can get great shots with RX100 VII or Lumix LX10 but I have some photographs ideas that might only able to achieve with interchangeable camera which is full body person with background blur from a distance, ultramacro and I want to try to join competitions. I not a bokeh person but a story and creativity driven person and prefer most of my shots to be fully in focused, and sometime I wonder do I really need to put so much effort into carry these gears when I can just google the photos I want to look at that other people already took, what you guys think, A7RV, G9 ii, GX9, RX10 IV, LX100 ii/D Lux 7, LX10, RX100 VII or something else? I was plan to get the Sony 70-200mm F4 ii with 2X tele converter which can get 1:1 macro and 600mm digitally too but that camcorder can reach that hence it's less needed and just I need to figure out ways I can get more magnification of macro hopefully with a tele lens too to reach things further away.
I read on Chinese site that g9II shoot raw at 16bit using DGO technology panasonic call it dr boost. For GH6 it only apply to video. But with G9II it apply to raw photo as well. But there is certain condition for it to be actived. I kiind forget what is the condition. And I saw two raw comparsion one is without dr boost and 12bit raw and the other with dr boost and 16 bit. and wow what a difference when both lift the shadow all the way.
It bothers me that Panasonic hasn't bothered to make a separate, smaller camera body for the M 4/3 system. If the bodies are the same size, there is less reason to use an m4/3 setup. That's why I bought an EM10 IV and sold my G95 - Olympus had the much smaller setup.
Thanks--I always appreciate your thoughtful, comprehensive, objective reviews. With regard to your comment about no "alternative" 24-70 EFL f/2.8 in MFT, what about the Leica 12-35mm f/2.8 (which you use in your review)? I don't see a significant advantage for "FF" there (or in most cases, at least for my use, which does not emphasize portraiture or video, both of which MFT handles very well). Interestingly, as a long-time G9 ("I") user who got into MFT specifically for the ability to carry a full range of glass (12-800 EFL, thanks to the "Mk I" verion of the Leica 100-400) in a compact, lightweight kit, I'm considering not only adding the G9 II but maybe the S5 II to even further enhance low-light/moving subject capabilities. However, I get excellent results with that lens (I'm not sure that it's worth replacing it or my 35-100mm f/2.8 with the new versions of those lenses), so that's not an issue for me. It's hard to justify carrying another system just for the rare cases where the "FF" sensor help improve a marginal shot. If I were new to MFT, I'd very likely go for the G9 II with the Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-4 and and 9mm f/1.7 as there's an incredible deal right now (for the US anyway) at B&H for all three at US$2,500, but I already have those FLs covered.
Thank you! I have explained that in the video. 12-35mm F2.8 performs like FF 24-70mm F5.6, so that is not an alternative at all. That is a 2 EV difference which means that the FF can gather 4 times as much light, so the difference is not marginal by any means.
@@TheHybridShooter Yes, I'm aware of the effect of crop factor and more DoF at a given EFL is one of the reasons I went with MFT in the first place (and as I recall, your review of the original G9 years ago helped me to make that decision, so thanks again for that). I have no problem getting shallow DoF on the rare occasions where I desire it (it's so often way overdone). I have a 25mm f/0.95 (so 50mm f/1.9 in "FF" terms) with which I can get ridiculously razor-thin DoF. Also, sufficient light to get an exposure necessary to produce a good print is rarely a problem (if it were 4 or 5 stops, I'd be more concerned). I may rent an S5 II (or other "FF") to see if it really makes a significant difference for me, but I'm doubtful.
@@ddsdss256 Well, those are your personal references, which is completely fine, but the fact is that the M43 12-35mm F1.8 can't do what FF 24-70mm F2.8 can do and there is no M43 alternative for those who need full-fledged FF 24-70mm F2.8 performance.
@@TheHybridShooter "2-35mm F2.8 performs like FF 24-70mm F5.6" - that is only true when it comes to DoF but light gathering per sqare mm sensor size is the same.
Aren't you forgetting the excellent 10-25 and 25-50mm F1.7 zooms for M43 here? You keep saying that there is no alternative(in terms of light gathering) for a Full Frame standard zoom F2.8, but there kinda is. Not exactly the same, but close anyway. Other then that, nice review!
In short, it seems if you want huge zoom without weight or primarily shoot well lit video, M43 is an option. If you care more about bokeh or low light performance, go full frame.
5:55 To get a full frame f/2.8 standard zoom on an M43, we need to adapt the EF mount Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 and pair it with a Metabones/Viltrox 0.71X speedbooster to get a 25.5-50mm f/2.55 full frame equivalent zoom. A bit short than a full frame 24-70mm f/2.8, but it's close enough in my book.
@@TheHybridShooterThanks for your reply. Interesting. Is there a reason why we shouldn't bother with speedboosters in 2024? Are you talking about photography in general, or in the context of a M43?
@@elzafir Many reasons, they are cumbersome, add size, weight, cost and they ruin AF. There is no reason to use them nowadays. 18-35 is also quite outdated with loud AF, no weather sealing, limited range and heavy chromatic aberration.
Thank you for the comparison! Just a note: the G9 II does not offer RAW video output and Panasonic has said that they have no plans to add it. I’d also favor the G9 II for video stabilization because of the e-stabilization modes that eliminate ibis warping in the corners.
You're welcome, thank you for watching! Yes, you are right about RAW. S5 II offers E-stabilization as well, but I haven't tested it after FW updates yet.
I have a doubt about your comparison: is it based on jpeg files only or have you managed to experiment with raw files? If yes... how? It seems no software is yet abble to process the G9II's raw files...
If I didn't have the G9 I'd buy the G9ii to go alongside my GX9. If I wasn't into wildlife photography maybe I'd just have the GX9 or go full frame. I see these bigger body m43 more for people who already have a lot of m43 lenses and one or two more cameras. I don't think the majority will just own this and nothing else and then use it with tiny primes.
So you will buy G9II and come back to m43? Seem that OM System/ Olympus and Panasonic took too much time to innovate and for around 5 years where releasing repacking old technology in their m43 cameras. But the issue is for how long they will release new technology in a regular period. The body of this cameras show that Panasonic is pushing the L-mount as their primary system, which is the correct decision, but m43 will get the innovations introduced in FF.
Nice comparison. I disagree with a couple of points regarding video and stabilization. The G9ii does 5.7k60p, 4k120p and FHD 300p all without crop in comparison with cropped 4k60p on the S5II/X. And you get much better rolling shutter on the G9ii. The stabilization is probably pretty similar on both cameras unless you go to longer focal lengths than 100mm FF eq. But when you go wider than 24mm the wobble on the S5II is more apparent. And the G9II also corrects for the wide angle wobble with its electronic stabilization now. So I would conclude that if you shoot lot of slow motion, the G9II is a better camera and the stabilization is better.
I'm not sure what do you disagree with, my comparison and reviews don't contradict anything that you wrote. S5 II also has E-stabilization, but I haven't tested them side-by-side yet. Lenses above 100mm for both are optically stabilized, so comparing IBIS performance above 100mm isn't really possible without factoring the OIS.
@TheHybridShooter your point that there is no faster standard zoom lens than 12-35 2.8 and you have to live with a deeper DOF. Generally that is the nature of a smaller sensor, but the 1.7 zooms are worth mentioning here I think. Btw is the more digital sharpened look you are referring to already with sharpness turned down to min?
@@TheHybridShooter If I was moving from M43 for non wildlife photography( I'll still use it for birds and other distant animals) and I wanted lenses at Olympus pro prices and quality, which brand and camera would you suggest. I don't really want to go over €1500 if possible for a second hand camera.
Having switched to L mount some time ago, I still use mFT as a small and light second system. But for this purpose, the G9 II is too large for me. Just got the OM-5 with 20mm f1.4 pro for a very good price as a small and weather sealed outdoor, carry everywhere camera. Would like to see a renewal of the GX8 both / either as a full frame and / or mFT camera, but talking to a representative of Panasonic, there seems to be little hope.
Thx for you review…I use the last pana generation like you said so S5org for more challenging condition low light etc…and Gh5,5s for longer focal range. Personally I will probably buy one Panasonic S5iiX and wait till all my other camera get really old…GH5 image is still ok but tend to age bad…on the other hand GH5s and my P4K can still produce great image. S5 org is comparable to the S5iiX some are saying less digital just it lacks solid AF awe all know… Shooting mostly multicam live event…almost no photos…
If you already have a S5iixfor video and would like to get a second MFT camera for wildlife stills and telephoto in general you should consider an OM1 Mk2. The phase autofocus and AI subject tracking (especially for wildlife) is just laser accurate. And the burst mode is even better than the G9II: In theory it should be about the same but the OM1 starts writing to card and freeing up buffer as soon as you hit the trigger while the G9 only does so when you release it, which means you can just keep going and going with the burst almost indefinitely (or realease it and not have to wait 1 minute to shoot again). It's amazing to capture birds taking off.
I disagree. The AF o n G9 II is great as well and the similarities between the S5 II X and G9 II will be much more beneficial than marginal advantages of the OM1 Mk. II, assuming that there are any.
I use M4/3rds for macro photography because the 60mm F2.8 Olympus macro is the best macro lens on the market and the light weight lenses of M4/3rd are a benefit when shooting macro, so as to avoid camera movement. When I do product photography, I use a Full Frame camera because of the benefits of a bigger sensor, and camera shake isn't an issue because I shoot my product photography on a tripod.
@@TheHybridShooter You are absolutely wrong. Go look at macro pictures of Olympus 60mm f2.8 shooters and compare them to FF shooters. You might have a successful YT channel, but you are wrong on many things.
@Michael-fw5ef That is a complete delusion, FF has a gigantic pixel density advantage, so even if the Oly 60mm was opticaly better than any other macro lens (which it is not), any decent FF macro lens will destroy it, especially in combination with 40+ MP FF sensor. I can only suggest that you do the same thing and you will understand that you were dead wrong.
@@TheHybridShooterMy Olympus EM10 Mark II had focus bracketing and was super light, with inbody image stabilization. When you take macro shots in the forest, you have to lift up leaves, rocks and decaying wood to get at insects and take their photos. Many times you are shooting with one hand, no tri-pod and you don't have alot of time to set up. Try doing that with a full frame set up that is 3 to 4 times heavier and much longer lenses. You will struggle. Everything about M4/3 makes it superior to FF for macro insects. If I was shooting indoors on a tripod and taking a picture of a non-moving subject, then yes FF would be A-OK. But not many people do that type of macro shooting.
@Michael-fw5ef None of that is an issue at all with my Sony 90mm F2.8 Macro and A7R IV. Sony 90mm Macro also has OIS in addition to IBIS which is more effective at longer focal lengths than IBIS alone, so the difference might be even greater (in FF's favor) in those situations. Een S5 II with the new 100mm Macro would provide much better results.
@@TheHybridShooter the difference is that you get more DoF on M4/3 for the same apperture value on FF. Better SnR and a little more dynamic range on FF compared with M4/3
When M3/4 grow in size ,it lost the charm of compactness & weight saving . otherwise its a great cam . Contrary,Sony pack a lrg 61mp into their compact cam model ,wow ,it opens up manufacture make more compact lens ,as what Olympus used to be when they start m3/4.While Nikon Canon goes different route .Bigger body , smaller sensor , claims it's as good,even professional?Also Iphone claims a professional too
Panansonic done the great job with both. What I'd LOVE to have is an ability to use lenses from one system on camera of another. I know this is impossible due to their flange range difference, yet that would be really nice.
THS in the past I've been critical of some of your videos--and will not apologize--but this review is smart, helpful, & very fair minded. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome! It seems that you only like the reviews that match your pre-determined opinion, so it will probably continue to be hit or miss in that regard.
Interesting, m43 sensor in G9Ii has ssme pixels density as 100 Mpix full frame (which doesn't exist). So those, now very old m43 lenses are really sharp 🤔
*Panasonic S5 IIx Review* - Dark Lumix ft. ProRes & ALL-I - th-cam.com/video/7XNIR62fYaI/w-d-xo.html
10:22 G9 II currently doesn't offer RAW video recording
G9 II can shoot 4K 120p, I forgot to mention that.
The S5ii and G9ii Duo is perfect! From low light to long tele lenses, using the same battery, menu, color profile, etc… Very Smart choice!
This literally might sway me away from A7 IV when considering adding/going FF from a OG G9 and GX85 user.
also m42 generally has higher fps for video across the board, lighter weight gear. M43 is far from dead. Excited for the GH7 announcement.
It's incredible how detailed are your reviews, great work! I have just turned from S5 to s5ii and I am very excited to see all the improvements they did in this model. S5 was great and for sure the new S5ii will be even better.
Thank you for your rewiew. I enjoy watching all your videos.
For me, the G9II is the camera I've been waiting for. Especially because of the improved autofocus. I will keep my GH5 and GH6 and complement them with the G9II. I have some very good MFT lenses. Therefore, switching to 35mm format is out of the question for me. I can cope with the two stops of noise with excellent AI denoising techniques in Lightroom and Pureraw. For reportage, I am happy to have a larger area in focus. The bookeh of my Olympus 75 mm f1.8 or my 25-50 mm f1.7 is sufficient for me in portraits. I am fully satisfied with the image quality of my MFT cameras. I don't make prints larger than A3 (30x20 cm) anyway. I don't have enough walls in my house for that ;-).
My pleasure, thank you for watching! G9 II a great option for M43 users who want to keep using the system.
Yeah, but like isn't it better when your original photo isn't unusably spotted with 50% random dots that an AI fills in with guessing? Like my understanding is MFT is basically unusably noise filled like a late 90s CCD unless you're basically taking a photo of the sun.
@@Cracky003 🤦♂
@@TheHybridShooter I have such a collection of MFT lenses it would be a great loss to switch to FF now. I might try, though, if the price of S5 II comes down... not replacing, but complementing the MFT.
I would find the ability to go from professional use L Mount to travel and family events MFT extremely tempting. The ability to keep one menu system in mind, 1 control layout, reasonable quality video and the ability to choose your favourite lenses and swap them around in the MFT is amazing.
Something like this could have a similar effect on the market as hybrid 4k cameras has had.
Like you noted many folks are looking for a new small MFT camera (APSC is often smaller these days) and the g9ii isn’t that (rumors though of either a g7 ii or g100ii, either of which could be wonderful). First time I have heard someone’s logic of why both of these cameras use effectively the same body and it made sense…almost enough for me to consider the G9ii. I can see why some folks are buying both; with the G9ii often into the bird/wildlife category. Well done review!
With what they accomplished in the g9ii, it will be interesting to see what they bring to the table with the gh7 and the s1hii. I can't believe the s5ii already went on sale in its release year for $600 off MSRP. These new Lumix models are an extreme value for the money when you consider the cameras they are compared against usually take a lot longer to come down in price
I think Panasonic is trying to get more market share. They are suffering the loss in the bodies but will net more through lenses.
I don’t see the G9 ii going on sale as soon as the S5ii did since they have the m43 market by themselves.
Thank You…. I have been waiting on you doing this review! 😊
My pleasure, thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for this review and comparison. Very helpful to me personally. You are a master of your craft, and we all benefit from that. Much appreciated!
The most important photography review in 2023
Why?
@@AidanAnthonypv because people like me care to see how FF vs MFT performs in real life conditions - and whether the better image quality outweighs the advantages of MFT
Agreed. It's the only review I care about after years of following reviews.
Great review man, I love and have the G9 first edition, but I bought a Fuji xt-4 about half a year ago, if I knew the G9 MK II was coming out never would have done that. Literally, MK II checks all the boxes for me...just the perfect system to have.
Do you have an ETA on the Pocket 3 review? I've already watched videos about it from other TH-camrs but your one will be the only review that really matters.
The earliest possible ETA is the next Sundays, but I don't even have one yet, so that is just an estimate.
Thank you so much for the comparison. I've just given up on Sony FF system (because of the weight, the lack of TC support for 3rs party lenses, Sony's refusal to update current camera line-up with features like Focus Bracketing, AF tracking algorithms, and huge dust problems on the sensor) and went back to Micro Four Thirds for wildlife and macro (for personal use). But I still want to work on becoming a professional photographer for pet portrait and action and AF tracking (especially eye tracking) is extremely important and I do miss the DoF of FF and the flexibility of FF files. How well does S5 II and G9 II handle fast moving subjects like dogs and is there a difference in focus reliability in high burst (20, 30, 60 FPS) between the two?
Después de todos estos años ahora tengo la gh4, Gh5 y s5 😅 soy muy feliz y si todo va bien sumare estos cuerpos al equipo 😊
How do these cameras perform rolling shutter when used in open gate?
The criticism is in order when the G9mkII was the only m43 body. But we have a G90 still (not as good), G100 and here we can expect (itseems) a G100 II with the same focussing capabilities (OSPDAF) and 25,2 MP sensor. G100 is MUCH smaller than G9mkII.
I think what many hope for is a GX8 with thart 25,2 MP sensor, updated EVF and same OSPDAF. Video etc is less important. Oh and a better IBIS.
ANother chunk wants similar specs to GX8 mark II as described above but in a smallish format.
In other words, a GX9 Mk II. That or a PEN-F Mk II please!
Excellent comparison video! Very very well done. Thank you!
how would you compare now in 2024 the G9 ll with the GH5S?
I am asking because I found a GH5S for about 1100 euro while the G9 ll of course is about 1000 euro more...
Is it still more valuable to get the GH5 S and a good rig set up and tripod for that extra 1000 euro than to accept the future of Phaedetct and greater continuous autofocus is here and one should then clearly choose the G9 ll in 2024 if one wants to make money on one's videos?
What is your take, what is the lower-priced GH5S still good for in this year?
thanks for getting back, I really appreciate your videos and your eye for details!
The G9 II offers more 10bit 4k codecs than the GH5S, but does not have the same low light performance or slighter wider sensor size. It depends on your applications. Will you be shooting in very low light? GH5S. Will you need resolution and framerates up to 10 bit C4K 120p? G9 II. Will you need to track subjects reliably? G9 II. In my case, I'm better off with 10bit C4K and 4K codecs will allow robust v-log colour profile straight out of the camera. I want to be able to shoot up to 100p in C4K in v-log. The G9 II will handle this, the GH5S won't.
thanks for stacking up the pros and cons! made a lot more sense... yeah, is nice with 120p in 10bit! @@raksh9
Was going back and forth trying to decide between the S5II & G9II and ended up purchasing the G9II. Main reasons were that S5II doesn’t have PDAF in 1080p60 and it has a crop in 4K60. Also PDAF & image stabilization are slightly better/improved on G9II. I also do a bit of travel and event shooting so having smaller, more compact lenses (vs FF) is a big plus.
Excellent review / comparison as always. Thank you very much!
I appreciate your deep dives on the actual performance of these cameras. I have a few Panasonic and Olympus MFT bodies and a S5..and I'm trying to decide if an "upgrade" is really needed. I like to cross format compatibility with the Panasonic bodies although it's possible to miss the the G9 LCD panel. One thing I think you could offer some insight on is the Leica monochrome mode on the G9II. When that was announced there was bit of a gasp in the room at the introduction... but almost no mention of it since. Thanks for all the extensive reviews you offer and I will be watching for updated Panasonic assessment on your channel
The G9ii is a very impressive camera. But, as a filmmaker, the S5iix suits my needs more specifically. Considering that the S5iix is just $300 more, I lean more towards it than the G9ii. For many, including myself, $300 sounds like a lot more. But, with what you get with that extra $300, I think it's a smart investment given the flexibility and power that comes with the S5iix. Thank you for your comparisons. Your videos are important to my decision making process. Cheers.
If you aren't already invested in m43 glass then the Lumix full frame options are going to be more recommended across the board.
I film a lot as well and i own mft lenses so the differenc in price is mich more than 300 and i really cant stand the 4k60 crop. With my gh5 i use a 12-40 (24-80) for most things. I need the wide end and the long end. I cant use a 24-70 because it has an apsc crop and no lense to compensate this exists. Having 4k120 is also a point for the g9. All in all the g9 is just better for film makers.
I have Canon R8 with some lenses, I have specifically bought G9ii just for it's "different" advantages over Full Frame.
Now after a while of using it, it feels impressive!
@@ChargedPulsarI love the Canon R8 it's a beast
Pre-ordered, cant wait to get my hands on it
Excellent !!! Great effort appreciated for the really good comparison!
I think these are both my dream systems, L Mount: all prime lenses 10mm FF ~ 135mm FF L Mount, MFT: 85mm FF ~ + FF zooms.
As always, very nice and very compact comparison. Isn’t that combination S5 and G9 the ideal set up if you are planning to own more than one camera?
Excellent video as always! You have the best camera content on TH-cam in my opinion.
Thank you, I appreciate it!
I mostly use adapted vintage manual lenses. A good IBIS is key to manual focus. With the latest Panasonic reviews I'm developing IBIS envy... 🤣. The latest Panasonic IBIS seems to be better than the one in Nikon and Canon for use with no OIS lenses.
Well done, thanks! when can we see you Pocket 3 review?
Does the dynamic range boost of G9ii make it higher dr than s5ii?
@@John_Bull_ No, it doesn’t.
Is the viltrox speedbooster and sigma 18 -35 compatible with the g9ii?
Thank you so much sir with the best wishes to all of you
@@JRFilmsAMStudio My pleasure!
I have several Pro Olympus lenses like the 150-400 Pro and 40-150 f2.8 Pro and shoot a lot of video. I've been using an OM-1 and E-M1X, both with limited video capabilities compared to any Panasonic m43 body. I've pre-ordered a G9ii to use with those lenses. It will be a companion to the OM-1 in a two camera setup in place of an Olympus 5.3. The G9ii will also be a backup for stills photography with the long lenses. Very interesting review, comparing the G9ii directly to the S5ii. I really enjoyed the review.
Hi, how are you finding the G9ii compared to the OM1, for photo and video?
@@photonspark VERY happy with the G9ii for video but also for stills. Since it doesn't have a fan, I am able to get it to overheat in direct sunlight on a hot day when shooting more than 20-30 minutes continuously. The AF for stills works very well. I used it yesterday with the Oly 150-400 for dragonflies and the G9ii focused on the eyes in animal eye detect, and that was a pleasant surprise.
Are there any lenses that are par-focal and de-clicked aperture for the L Mount?
I make a living shooting with the s5ii and a couple of s5s. However, I also made a living for a few years using G9s. Both are incredible cameras
William, a truly excellent comparison review. Thank you.
Great video, do you know is the small rig black mamba cage for the S5 will fit the G9 II, I am not sure if the S5 is the same size as the G9 II?
Thank you, no, it will not fit.
thanks for the quick reply@@TheHybridShooter
Thank you for this video.
Completely off topic. I am hoping the S5ii and G9ii goodness flows to the small M43 bodies. I’d love to see an updated GX9 Mii. Please, lease, please include an audio jack.
I wonder if Panasonic can produce small full frame bodies like the Sony A7C. Wouldn’t that be wonderful?
As you pointed out in this review, there are many things to love about both parties. It’s interesting to consider being in both micro 4/3 and full frame camp. Same body. See menus. Similar output. The best of both worlds.
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It's not comfortable with a small camera carrying a 2+ pounds lens.
Hello, I came across your videos while looking for lenses information regarding light gathering and usage. Well I saw lots of videos and I like the points you make. My question is - for just a father wanting getter pictures of my kid's football games- Oly 40-150mm f2.8 will be quite similar (apart for the build quality and speed) to 70-300 f5.6 FF ?-even in price - To get very noticeable result the only way is to get an f4 FF or brigther? Thank you for your time. António from Portugal
Would you not like the Olympus 12-40 Pro f2.8 with G9ii? I use it with my G9 and it's wonderful.
No, I would not, I would much prefer full dual IS functionality and profile corrections of Panasonic 12-35.
I've just bought G9ii to for b-rolls to S5ii. Both set to 4k25p, shutter 1/50. I see that both cameras when panning a scenery containing vertical edges of highly contrasting items (i.e. edge of a building or a wall where one wall is very bright and the other adjacent wall is dark) there is heavy flickering effect. Is that normal? I see this can be reduced by going with 50p shutter 1/100, but this is not available with open gate. Please advice. Should such scenes be simply avoided?
Ustaw w menu na stałe migawkę na 180 stopni (świetna opcja w ustawieniach) - wtedy niezależnie od ustawień klatek na sekundę będziesz miał właściwe ustawienie. Używaj 24 klatek na sekundę - będzie bardziej filmowy/kinowy wygląd. Nie panoramuj - to nie jest naturalny ruch głowy przy oglądaniu (żaden turysta nie ogląda w ten sposób zabytków), zamiast jednego długiego ujęcia zrób kilka - czyli tak jak oglądasz coś w sposób naturalny - patrzysz na coś i przenosisz wzrok na coś innego i znowu patrzysz kilka sekund na coś, albo jeśli to jest filmowana osoba czy zwierzę lub inny obiekt to podążasz za nim.
@@edwardpabis ustawiłem. dokładnie to się dzieje przy 180deg (25p i 1/50). Jeśli masz G9ii lub S5ii, nagraj taką scenkę z dość szybką panoramą w poprzek pionowych kontrastowych linii i daj znać czy masz to samo. Chyba, że to od karty pamięci, ale 130MB/s powinno wystarczyć
Thank you very much for this valueable review! Please, have you tried compatibility of Panasonic G9 II with Moza Aircross 2 (control the camera with gimbal, control the recording) ?
My pleasure! Unfortunately, I have not, I don't have that gimbal anymore.
Love the G9, with the top display and handling but as they've removed that and ended up with a slightly larger body, looking at alternatives. After watching this and your A6700 video, I'm leaning towards the A6700 over G9 II ( I only have the 8-18 and 12-60 lenses). I don't shoot video, and mainly take landscape photography shots when out hill/mountain walking.
Seems Sony have fixed all the issue with the previous gen A6*** series, except single card slot, bigger grip, battery, IBIS and colours. Now secondhand prices are pretty much the same between them. Anything I'm missing with moving to the A6700 ?
What are some of your smaller favorite primes for FF lumix? Trying to debate on the g9ii or s5ii.
All of the Panasonic F1.8 - 18, 24, 35, 50 and 85mm, all of those offer very solid optical performance.
15:55 can you compare image quality between FF and m4/3 of these cameras on a well lit scene having the same settings dialed in both sensors?
Purely for photography I’m really struggling to decide on a new camera system at the moment. Your videos are great but I still can’t decide. Nikon, Sony, LUMIX or Fuji- Fuji seems to be overpriced?… 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😂
Excelente video comparativo 👏🏼
Hi there, any chance to see a test of the autofocus with speedbooster and EF lens like on some video existing on youtube about the S5II ? Thanks for your work ! 🙂
Unfortunately, there isn’t. I have moved away from speedboosters a long time ago and I highly recommend doing so to others. There are much better options nowadays.
Great comparison, thanks!
Thanks for the detailled comparison. I am a G9 owner and already habe a lot of M43 lenses, both zooms and primes. So G9 II would be a "natural" upgrade. I hike a lot and take mostly landscape images, so the size and weight difference of M43 12-35 & 35-100 vs. FF versions is significant for me. Shortly before the G9 II was announced, I considered selling all my M43 gear for the Sony A6700, since I thought APSC would be a good compromise. The reason to upgrade at all from my G9 is that I use it for the occasional travel video, meaning I need video AF-C that works. Do you have an opinion on Sony A6700 vs G9 II? APSC lenses are also quite compact, and the camera itself is even cheaper.
Excellent review and comparison, thank you. This helped my decide to buy a G9ii.
My only criticism of your critique is that your low light performance comparison is made in absolute terms and does not take into account the ability of the G9ii to use a lower ISO setting at any given light level for non-moving subjects such as your test scene because of its superior IBIS performance.
Thank you! Not really, the stabilization for static shots is not that different.
Useful info, thanks for a great video!
@@BeautifulNorfolk My pleasure, thank you for watching!
Hi,
Panasonic G9 II can record 4K 50/60p without 1.5x crop, like S5 II / IIx)?
Full Hd mode: ho from this win?
On the Full Hd mode, both cameta can use new focus Phase AF or use Contrast AF (old System from Pany)?
Thanks
4K 60p is with no crop. I haven’t shot full HD video with any camera since 2018, so I can’t answer that.
S5II has crop in 4K60.
S5II only uses Contrast AF in 1080p60, no PDAF available.
G9II has no 4K60 crop and utilizes PDAF in 1080p60.
Nice comparison, thx. 2 stops of iso is much, can be very helpful in difficult situations for example when you are in lowlight and need to make the shutter shorter.
Have you tested the video IBIS of the G9ii using an ultra wide lens like a 7.5mm? I heard the G9ii works much better in ultra wide focal lengths than any other camera because Panasonic has algorithms to eliminate corner warping?
No, I haven’t, Both cameras have E-stabilization, but I haven’t compared it.
Great review, thank you. Maybe someone has already pointed it out but you can indeed set the video and photo settings separately, on the G9II at least, by going to -> gear menu/ Image quality/ Creative Video Combined Set and clicking therein which functions you want the camera to hold separately. I know it is not a very clear way of presenting it in the menu but maybe helpful for some people to know.
Thank you! Yes, it has been pointed out, but as I always explain, it is far from having truly separated modes. Most importantly, you don't have PSAM dial that is useful for setting exposure mode in both stills and video mode, like on Sony.
@@TheHybridShooter That's very true that it is not a convenient way of implementing the separation but at least along with the help of customising the quick menu also separately for stills and video one can make it work. Anyway thanks again for your in depth reviews, they are most helpful.
Great review, I am considering which of these I’d like to get if I was to upgrade soon and every system has its pros and cons so you just need to work out what is best for what you need it for.
The more I look at it the more I’m starting to think that the g9II is probably the right choice for me given I’m already in the M43 system and a lot of the work I’ll do with the camera is real estate photos and video and M43 has advantages with those types of shoots especially having no crop in 4K60 (or 4K120).
The crop on the s5II isn’t a big deal for a lot of types of filming like weddings or corporates etc as you can just reposition the camera as you need to for framing but with real estate videos it’s often not possible to compensate for the crop especially in smaller rooms and having smaller, lighter lenses would make it easier to use on a gimbal.
The only downside over the FF camera in my view is less low light capability and less bokeh but I don’t think these issues are a deal breaker especially considering the advantages the g9II has over the s5ii in many other areas such as high frame rates, internal Pro-Res etc. The G9ii seems to do OK in lower light and you can always get a fast prime or two to achieve shallow depth of field for interviews etc and I'm not a fan of very blurry backgrounds either.
Thank you! My general advice is going with the full frame and therefore Panasonic S5 II / S5 II x, that is the way forward IMO, but if switching is too complicated for you, G9 II is a solid upgrade.
@@TheHybridShooter Thanks for the feedback. I was so close to getting a G9II but at the last minute I ended up getting the S5II. They had an unbelievable deal late last year with the body + kit lens and the 14-28 (valued at AUS$1,499) for AUS$2,804. It was too good to pass on to move to full frame and of course I can also shoot in APSC if I want to punch in more on any given lens. The G9II really doesn't have any deals going at the moment and was more expensive than the S5II with no lenses so it was a no-brainer to go full frame. Loving it so far and am glad I went full frame.
Great comparison of two awesome cameras. For most shooting situations, the extra portability, vast array of (usually) cheaper lenses, and better stabilization make the G9ii the winner in my book.
If I want to film everyday life, travel, walk tour to capture the environment and product reviews where I will behind the camera most of the time to do the talking, elements record for game making and I want to experiment music making with singing and instrument too and the video will be shot with a Panasonic HC-X1500 camcorder and Sony A7RV, what minimal multi use cases no show on screen audio setups are right for me, should I get just one stereo super cardioid shotgun mic or an omnidirectional audio recorder to do it all or combination of them to cover stereo and mono needs? That camcorder has an optional handle with LED and 2 XLR inputs but the setup will be tall even before add the mics, is XLR necessary and will I able to use the XLR handle on the camcorder as music recorder? The gear I have in mind are the unique looking stereo Sennheiser MKE 440, Deity V Mic D4 Duo, Sony ECM-B1M, Sony PCM-A10 recorder, Zoom H2n, Saramonic SR-VRM1, Roland R07 and Zoom H3-VR.
For photography, I shoot mainly for document life and creative shots and potentially photograph for photorealistic shots, I haven't know how to get photography gig yet, I will use the A7RV to shoot photo but do you think it's for me I should go for RX100 VII, or something in between, but I think there's no much reasons other than weight to get unpocketable compact cameras because you get less handling and EVF but still need to carry with a bang or hang on neck, I know I can get great shots with RX100 VII or Lumix LX10 but I have some photographs ideas that might only able to achieve with interchangeable camera which is full body person with background blur from a distance, ultramacro and I want to try to join competitions. I not a bokeh person but a story and creativity driven person and prefer most of my shots to be fully in focused, and sometime I wonder do I really need to put so much effort into carry these gears when I can just google the photos I want to look at that other people already took, what you guys think, A7RV, G9 ii, GX9, RX10 IV, LX100 ii/D Lux 7, LX10, RX100 VII or something else? I was plan to get the Sony 70-200mm F4 ii with 2X tele converter which can get 1:1 macro and 600mm digitally too but that camcorder can reach that hence it's less needed and just I need to figure out ways I can get more magnification of macro hopefully with a tele lens too to reach things further away.
I read on Chinese site that g9II shoot raw at 16bit using DGO technology panasonic call it dr boost. For GH6 it only apply to video. But with G9II it apply to raw photo as well. But there is certain condition for it to be actived. I kiind forget what is the condition. And I saw two raw comparsion one is without dr boost and 12bit raw and the other with dr boost and 16 bit. and wow what a difference when both lift the shadow all the way.
Yes, there is some clever stuff going on in the background. There is a big improvement in the overall IQ at low ISO values.
so g9 ii offer better shadows recovery than g9 mark 1 ? @@TheHybridShooter
@@murph6547 Yes
Thanks for comparison!👍
It bothers me that Panasonic hasn't bothered to make a separate, smaller camera body for the M 4/3 system. If the bodies are the same size, there is less reason to use an m4/3 setup. That's why I bought an EM10 IV and sold my G95 - Olympus had the much smaller setup.
informative video.
Where was this shot?
Slovakia, Czech Republic, Japan
Great Video!!
Thank you!
Went for the S5IIX myself as I frequently shoot in low light. Otherwise the G9II looks like a great camera.
waiting for your pocket 3 review
pretty cool to see a new micro 4/3rds camera
excellent, thank you
Thanks--I always appreciate your thoughtful, comprehensive, objective reviews. With regard to your comment about no "alternative" 24-70 EFL f/2.8 in MFT, what about the Leica 12-35mm f/2.8 (which you use in your review)? I don't see a significant advantage for "FF" there (or in most cases, at least for my use, which does not emphasize portraiture or video, both of which MFT handles very well). Interestingly, as a long-time G9 ("I") user who got into MFT specifically for the ability to carry a full range of glass (12-800 EFL, thanks to the "Mk I" verion of the Leica 100-400) in a compact, lightweight kit, I'm considering not only adding the G9 II but maybe the S5 II to even further enhance low-light/moving subject capabilities. However, I get excellent results with that lens (I'm not sure that it's worth replacing it or my 35-100mm f/2.8 with the new versions of those lenses), so that's not an issue for me. It's hard to justify carrying another system just for the rare cases where the "FF" sensor help improve a marginal shot. If I were new to MFT, I'd very likely go for the G9 II with the Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-4 and and 9mm f/1.7 as there's an incredible deal right now (for the US anyway) at B&H for all three at US$2,500, but I already have those FLs covered.
Thank you! I have explained that in the video. 12-35mm F2.8 performs like FF 24-70mm F5.6, so that is not an alternative at all. That is a 2 EV difference which means that the FF can gather 4 times as much light, so the difference is not marginal by any means.
@@TheHybridShooter Yes, I'm aware of the effect of crop factor and more DoF at a given EFL is one of the reasons I went with MFT in the first place (and as I recall, your review of the original G9 years ago helped me to make that decision, so thanks again for that). I have no problem getting shallow DoF on the rare occasions where I desire it (it's so often way overdone). I have a 25mm f/0.95 (so 50mm f/1.9 in "FF" terms) with which I can get ridiculously razor-thin DoF. Also, sufficient light to get an exposure necessary to produce a good print is rarely a problem (if it were 4 or 5 stops, I'd be more concerned). I may rent an S5 II (or other "FF") to see if it really makes a significant difference for me, but I'm doubtful.
@@ddsdss256 Well, those are your personal references, which is completely fine, but the fact is that the M43 12-35mm F1.8 can't do what FF 24-70mm F2.8 can do and there is no M43 alternative for those who need full-fledged FF 24-70mm F2.8 performance.
@@TheHybridShooter "2-35mm F2.8 performs like FF 24-70mm F5.6" - that is only true when it comes to DoF but light gathering per sqare mm sensor size is the same.
@@Molybdan42 it is also true for total light gathering, which is what matters.
Aren't you forgetting the excellent 10-25 and 25-50mm F1.7 zooms for M43 here? You keep saying that there is no alternative(in terms of light gathering) for a Full Frame standard zoom F2.8, but there kinda is. Not exactly the same, but close anyway. Other then that, nice review!
No, I am not. It is not a standard zoom and it still misses 2/3 EV eqv. in comparison to FF F2.8 lenses.
In short, it seems if you want huge zoom without weight or primarily shoot well lit video, M43 is an option. If you care more about bokeh or low light performance, go full frame.
5:55 To get a full frame f/2.8 standard zoom on an M43, we need to adapt the EF mount Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 and pair it with a Metabones/Viltrox 0.71X speedbooster to get a 25.5-50mm f/2.55 full frame equivalent zoom. A bit short than a full frame 24-70mm f/2.8, but it's close enough in my book.
Adapting Sigma 18-35 belongs to 2015-2019 archives. There is no reason to bother with speedboosters in 2024.
@@TheHybridShooterThanks for your reply. Interesting. Is there a reason why we shouldn't bother with speedboosters in 2024? Are you talking about photography in general, or in the context of a M43?
@@elzafir Many reasons, they are cumbersome, add size, weight, cost and they ruin AF. There is no reason to use them nowadays. 18-35 is also quite outdated with loud AF, no weather sealing, limited range and heavy chromatic aberration.
@@TheHybridShooter what's the alternative?
Using camera with a larger sensor and a native lens.
Thank you for the comparison! Just a note: the G9 II does not offer RAW video output and Panasonic has said that they have no plans to add it. I’d also favor the G9 II for video stabilization because of the e-stabilization modes that eliminate ibis warping in the corners.
You're welcome, thank you for watching! Yes, you are right about RAW. S5 II offers E-stabilization as well, but I haven't tested it after FW updates yet.
I have a doubt about your comparison: is it based on jpeg files only or have you managed to experiment with raw files? If yes... how? It seems no software is yet abble to process the G9II's raw files...
As you can see in the video, G9 II RAWs can be opened in Lightroom. No experimentation required.
If I didn't have the G9 I'd buy the G9ii to go alongside my GX9.
If I wasn't into wildlife photography maybe I'd just have the GX9 or go full frame.
I see these bigger body m43 more for people who already have a lot of m43 lenses and one or two more cameras.
I don't think the majority will just own this and nothing else and then use it with tiny primes.
So you will buy G9II and come back to m43? Seem that OM System/ Olympus and Panasonic took too much time to innovate and for around 5 years where releasing repacking old technology in their m43 cameras. But the issue is for how long they will release new technology in a regular period. The body of this cameras show that Panasonic is pushing the L-mount as their primary system, which is the correct decision, but m43 will get the innovations introduced in FF.
Maybe next year, but I will not "come back to M43" to cover the system, I would only use it as a special purpose camera.
Nice comparison. I disagree with a couple of points regarding video and stabilization. The G9ii does 5.7k60p, 4k120p and FHD 300p all without crop in comparison with cropped 4k60p on the S5II/X. And you get much better rolling shutter on the G9ii.
The stabilization is probably pretty similar on both cameras unless you go to longer focal lengths than 100mm FF eq. But when you go wider than 24mm the wobble on the S5II is more apparent. And the G9II also corrects for the wide angle wobble with its electronic stabilization now.
So I would conclude that if you shoot lot of slow motion, the G9II is a better camera and the stabilization is better.
I'm not sure what do you disagree with, my comparison and reviews don't contradict anything that you wrote. S5 II also has E-stabilization, but I haven't tested them side-by-side yet. Lenses above 100mm for both are optically stabilized, so comparing IBIS performance above 100mm isn't really possible without factoring the OIS.
What about the 10-25 f1.7?
I’m not sure what are you asking.
@TheHybridShooter your point that there is no faster standard zoom lens than 12-35 2.8 and you have to live with a deeper DOF. Generally that is the nature of a smaller sensor, but the 1.7 zooms are worth mentioning here I think.
Btw is the more digital sharpened look you are referring to already with sharpness turned down to min?
@@florianschfr It is not a standard zoom and it is still missing 2/3 EV, so no, it is not a replacement of ff F2.8 standard zoom.
And pocket 3? 😊
What about it?
You’ve got stabilisation down twice in the timeline above.
Thank you, I have fixed it.
can you please test g9ii with sigma 18-35mm+speed booster autofocuswise? that's everybody's lookig for it.
I can't, I got rid of speedboosters a long time ago and I encourage everybody to do the same thing. There are much better options nowadays.
But the cost of FF lenses keep me with m4/3. Plus size/weight. There are trade offs.
That is no longer the case. You have plenty of budget friendly FF lenses that usually undercut M43 counterparts.
@@TheHybridShooter Thanks for the feedback.
@@TheHybridShooter If I was moving from M43 for non wildlife photography( I'll still use it for birds and other distant animals) and I wanted lenses at Olympus pro prices and quality, which brand and camera would you suggest.
I don't really want to go over €1500 if possible for a second hand camera.
@@letni9506 I would probably suggest Panasonic L-mount system, you can have the S5 II for a very good price at the moment.
14:09 so… 24~70 FF in MFT isn’t close enough?
So know i definitely don´t know wich one! Maybe i wait some more years :D
One omission you missed was that the G9 II supports 4k 120p for video, and unfortunately the S5 II does not. A great comparison nonetheless!
Have you ever tried the sigma H series with its optical to display viewfinder? It’s the best digital hybrid viewfinder ever made.
Ah, Banska Stiavnica....❤
Having switched to L mount some time ago, I still use mFT as a small and light second system. But for this purpose, the G9 II is too large for me. Just got the OM-5 with 20mm f1.4 pro for a very good price as a small and weather sealed outdoor, carry everywhere camera. Would like to see a renewal of the GX8 both / either as a full frame and / or mFT camera, but talking to a representative of Panasonic, there seems to be little hope.
Damn, now i need both 😆
Thx for you review…I use the last pana generation like you said so S5org for more challenging condition low light etc…and Gh5,5s for longer focal range.
Personally I will probably buy one Panasonic S5iiX and wait till all my other camera get really old…GH5 image is still ok but tend to age bad…on the other hand GH5s and my P4K can still produce great image. S5 org is comparable to the S5iiX some are saying less digital just it lacks solid AF awe all know…
Shooting mostly multicam live event…almost no photos…
If you already have a S5iixfor video and would like to get a second MFT camera for wildlife stills and telephoto in general you should consider an OM1 Mk2.
The phase autofocus and AI subject tracking (especially for wildlife) is just laser accurate.
And the burst mode is even better than the G9II: In theory it should be about the same but the OM1 starts writing to card and freeing up buffer as soon as you hit the trigger while the G9 only does so when you release it, which means you can just keep going and going with the burst almost indefinitely (or realease it and not have to wait 1 minute to shoot again).
It's amazing to capture birds taking off.
I disagree. The AF o n G9 II is great as well and the similarities between the S5 II X and G9 II will be much more beneficial than marginal advantages of the OM1 Mk. II, assuming that there are any.
I thought getting G9II was a sure thing for me but then I saw that the new one is missing a top screen. Hmmm.... I don't know
I don't recall ever looking at the top screen on the G9.
I use M4/3rds for macro photography because the 60mm F2.8 Olympus macro is the best macro lens on the market and the light weight lenses of M4/3rd are a benefit when shooting macro, so as to avoid camera movement. When I do product photography, I use a Full Frame camera because of the benefits of a bigger sensor, and camera shake isn't an issue because I shoot my product photography on a tripod.
You can get much better macro shots with modern FF macro lenses, 60mm Olympus is nowhere near the best macro lenses on the market.
@@TheHybridShooter You are absolutely wrong. Go look at macro pictures of Olympus 60mm f2.8 shooters and compare them to FF shooters. You might have a successful YT channel, but you are wrong on many things.
@Michael-fw5ef That is a complete delusion, FF has a gigantic pixel density advantage, so even if the Oly 60mm was opticaly better than any other macro lens (which it is not), any decent FF macro lens will destroy it, especially in combination with 40+ MP FF sensor.
I can only suggest that you do the same thing and you will understand that you were dead wrong.
@@TheHybridShooterMy Olympus EM10 Mark II had focus bracketing and was super light, with inbody image stabilization. When you take macro shots in the forest, you have to lift up leaves, rocks and decaying wood to get at insects and take their photos. Many times you are shooting with one hand, no tri-pod and you don't have alot of time to set up. Try doing that with a full frame set up that is 3 to 4 times heavier and much longer lenses. You will struggle. Everything about M4/3 makes it superior to FF for macro insects. If I was shooting indoors on a tripod and taking a picture of a non-moving subject, then yes FF would be A-OK. But not many people do that type of macro shooting.
@Michael-fw5ef None of that is an issue at all with my Sony 90mm F2.8 Macro and A7R IV. Sony 90mm Macro also has OIS in addition to IBIS which is more effective at longer focal lengths than IBIS alone, so the difference might be even greater (in FF's favor) in those situations. Een S5 II with the new 100mm Macro would provide much better results.
14:10 24-70mm f2.8 = 12-35mm f2.8 the same one that you showed on the video lol
@@wotreplays8896 No.
@@TheHybridShooter the difference is that you get more DoF on M4/3 for the same apperture value on FF. Better SnR and a little more dynamic range on FF compared with M4/3
transmission of each lens also matters if you compare your exposure with the same settings on FF and M4/3
When M3/4 grow in size ,it lost the charm of compactness & weight saving . otherwise its a great cam . Contrary,Sony pack a lrg 61mp into their compact cam model ,wow ,it opens up manufacture make more compact lens ,as what Olympus used to be when they start m3/4.While Nikon Canon goes different route .Bigger body , smaller sensor , claims it's as good,even professional?Also Iphone claims a professional too
Panansonic done the great job with both. What I'd LOVE to have is an ability to use lenses from one system on camera of another. I know this is impossible due to their flange range difference, yet that would be really nice.
THS in the past I've been critical of some of your videos--and will not apologize--but this review is smart, helpful, & very fair minded. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome! It seems that you only like the reviews that match your pre-determined opinion, so it will probably continue to be hit or miss in that regard.
Interesting, m43 sensor in G9Ii has ssme pixels density as 100 Mpix full frame (which doesn't exist).
So those, now very old m43 lenses are really sharp 🤔
They are, but the effect of pixel density was very overrated. 41 MP on APS-C is not an issue either.
If your never going to shoot events in lowlight at high iso then the G9mkII would be a great choice.