Panasonic Lumix G9 II REVIEW: Now with PDAF!
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- My Panasonic Lumix G9 II review PART 1 - now with phase-detect AF!
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00:00 - Lumix G9 II introduction and rivals
01:57 - Lumix G9 II design and controls
06:57 - Lumix G9 II viewfinder
07:41 - Lumix G9 II screen
08:05 - Lumix G9 II ports
08:46 - Lumix G9 II battery and grip
09:43 - Lumix G9 II card slots
10:09 - Lumix G9 II USB SSD recording
11:41 - Lumix G9 II lens mount
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13:30 - Lumix G9 II sensor
14:10 - Lumix G9 II autofocus PDAF and subject detection
16:57 - Lumix G9 II IBIS stabilization
17:59 - Lumix G9 II photo settings
19:30 - Lumix G9 II iDynamic
19:56 - Lumix G9 II Leica Monochrome
20:08 - Lumix G9 II burst shooting
20:54 - Lumix G9 II movie mode and settings
21:43 - Lumix G9 II movie quality 1080 4k 5.8k
23:07 - Lumix G9 II movie autofocus
23:59 - Lumix G9 II rolling shutter
24:34 - Lumix G9 II vlogging tests
26:20 - Lumix G9 II verdict and sample images
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Had Sony released this exact camera as vlogging camera, reviews and comments would be raving on about how amazing it is for the price.
Had sony released any panasonic camera recently with the same specs, features, ergonomics, etc the internet woild be absolutely on fire for months about how great it is
If Sony have released it, it would have a bigger sensor, and better autofocus!
I think they would be confused why they released a m43rds camera
@@wordlv ...A larger sensor is missing the point of this camera. The strength of the camera is the M43 sensor
@@jockslifeatliftvideoproduc8528 I don't disagree... It's a shame they put it in a full-frame body though
This is a camera killer, for sure. Is like a mini z9 with a smaller sensor but even more capable in some parts. Cost 70% less and can give similar results if you know how to play with the camera. I know all of you will say this sensor can't fight a fullframe one but man this specs are crazy, ill buy one and check myself. And video is almost the same than gh6 without fan to cool down the camera. One of the best hybrids available on the market it seems
Sensor size aside, I think X-H2s is better to compare to Z9 since it also has a stacked sensor. If one can afford slightly higher cost then X-H2s is a much better investment.
22:27 I have watched ALL the g9 II review videos and none answer this question - until now! Thank you Gordon! going through the menu systems while explaining briefly is brilliant.
You're very welcome!
Great initial review, as always.
I was hoping for a slightly smaller form-factor, but if this is what Panasonic had to do to be profitable with it, I understand. I hope the body size doesn't turn people off to the m43 format.
I would love to see a flat-out high speed tracking comparison between this and the OM 1. And given some of the dynamic range boosting technology Panasonic is using, I would love to see a high iso comparison as well. The GH6 was criticized for its DR, and I know this sensor is modified in that regard, so any improvement is welcomed.
I know this is cross format, but this is priced right in the range of some good apsc/ff gear as well, maybe even a quick comparison, or just your thoughts, on the g9.2 vs something like an r10/8, or the new Sony 6xxx would be interesting as well. There's a lot of great gear in this price range. We are fortunate, even in a declining market in general, to have a luxury of options here.
This is a very well-balanced feature set. I passed on the GH6 when it arrived without PDAF. I'm glad I did. It is great for what it is, but my next camera WILL have PDAF, and this just might be it. It seems to have all the still and video features I need. I'll know after watching and reading around 30 reviews! Thanks, Gordon, for this first look. Your assessments make sense.
Just like in the financial markets, patience always pays off. :-)
I agree 100% with your comments on the top screen going away. I use mine on my G9 quite a lot and it makes it look like a higher end camera.
Great and detailed review that only felt like 10min. Good and very informative watch.
Ah, thanks Pav, it was great to see you, and I always enjoy your work.
For me, the biggest advantage of this camera over the OM-1 is the HUMAN detection. With OM-A, as soon as the subject turns his/her face away, it seems that the OM-1 does not detect him/her anymore. The G9ii keeps the tracking on the subject moving to its HUMAN detection. Very useful feature for a bunch of applications where the face may be hidden by a scarf or momentarily turn his/her face away
Just wondering whether the G9 mark ii has something like Canon or Nikon tracking box where you can put it and start tracking and stick to it ?
The launch of the G9II is a significant boost for the m43 community. Recently, I've made a full transition back from Sony FF to m43. Virtually everything you can do with Fullframe can also be achieved with m43, but with less weight (which becomes increasingly important as you get older) and less intimidating to the surroundings. The video quality of the GH6 is impressive and fantastic to work with. However, compact and yet excellent cameras like the GX9 are pleasant companions for a day out. Naturally, the G9II (with its much-improved AF) is on my wishlist, along with the highly underrated OM5 from OM systems (420 grams). The latter camera is a hybrid marvel when it comes to both photo and video (4K and 120 FPS HD) in a small and lightweight body. Try capturing a handheld video with panning using a Sony (e.g., the zv1 or the a7c); it's quite challenging. The OM5 can do it, and, of course, the G9II can as well. Hopefully, Panasonic will continue to innovate and soon release a GX9 mkII and/or a G90 mkII.
Interested in your decision to go from Sony FF to M43. I was purely M43 with a GH5 and GX85, sold my GH5 and emptied my wallet to go with a Sony a7s III with some of their great GM glass. Sony's lack of ongoing support (i.e lens breathing compensation) has been very frustrating and with the G9 II being so complete I must admit I've been asking myself, "what if ?".
Now my initial excitement has settled down a bit I think for the amount of money I'd drop selling my Sony gear to come back to Panasonic M43 would not be worth it. A super compact M43 rangefinder with G9 II like specs however and I think that equation would definitely change as I often find myself reaching for my GX85 over my a7s III for casual videography outings.
Spot on. I'm thankfully in a position to have best of both worlds. I absolutely adore M43 for the same reasons and the lightweight professional lens eco system (Leica Panasonic's, Olympus Pros) but also love my Sony FF.
Long time no see! Love the review. I love MFT high-quality compact lenses. Been hoping for something like this for a while. Just wish it had been available before my trip to Egypt in 10 days ;-) I'm not sure I'm a fan of the missing top screen or lock on the top dial. Moving the on/off might be troublesome for my forefinger, but it just might have to get used to it ;-) I truly can't image going full-frame with innovations like this and the software advances available for post processing. There is quite a penalty for full-frame bokeh balls, IMO. The OM-1 comparison will be interesting. Maybe some videos on using these kool features? Cheers!
Gordon, thanks so much for your excellent and detailed early review of the Panasonic G9 ii using pre-production firmware. I am convinced that the G9 ii is an awesome upgrade from the original Panasonic G9 in nearly all respects. However, with the new 25.2 MP dual-gain sensor on the G9 ii, I hope you might publish information about how the G9 ii image quality (with final production firmware) compares with the OM-1 and the original Panasonic G9 - across all ISO settings. You've asked viewers what they'd like to see in your next review of G9 ii with final firmware, and I am sure that most photographers are interested in what this new 25.2 MP sensor delivers in terms of image quality. Thanks again for your awesome videos; they are super-helpful to photographers and videographers!! I will probably upgrade my Panasonic G85 next year; not sure if I will get the G9 ii or the OM-1; both are very good tools !
I'll try to do that!
And show side by side actual comparisons with the original G9. How much of an actual real world difference in dynamic range for example, stabilisation, pre-shoot, etc. How much you miss the LCD screen and former handling, etc...
Thank you Gordon, great review! In case you are going to test it more in the future, I'm interested in knowing more about the ISO 100 and the dynamic range of the sensor, especially when set to i.Dynamic. I'd also like to see a performance test of the Panasonic 100-300/4-5.6 II lens, since that can be a major differentiator for me if I decide to continue to stay in the system. Regarding the AF system, does it support the Sony's tracking mode, in which you select a random object/person and the camera then tracks in across the frame? That feature is very valuable since it prevents changing the AF settings and also moving the AF target.
I'm definitely ready to refresh my 43rds camera from the original OM-D E-M1 so I am looking forward to your G9ii vs OM-1 comparison. I'm primarily a photographer as opposed to a videographer so it's the still image performance that will interest me primarily. Good review as usual, Gordon.
Om-1 is a realy good camera
No way Mr Gordan Laing you’re still going. It’s been a long time since I last watched any camera reviews due to personal reasons but I’m back. The first time I discovered camera labs was the n 2007 when I was building up to purchasing the Olympus E-510 twin lens kit. And I remember devouring your reviews of it and reading them over and over again along with Wrotniaks website and excellent E-510 review. Good to be back.
Glad you're back! Yep, I'm still here, posting new reviews almost every week for 17 years now.
I actually purchased a second hand Olympus E420 off of EBay and remembered your awesome review of it. Now the camera bug has hit me hard again 😂😂
@@alexandercarder2281 nice! I just bought an E400 from ebay, the last with the CCD sensor
Great review! I look forward to the updated review once you've had longer with it. Do you know if there is HDMI RAW output? Thanks
Very nice review as usual Gordon, i have to say i really love how your review just flow from one topic to next to next. So smooth and natural. I watched the whole review before I realise it
Thankyou!
Kia ora Richard, you're the best, thanks!
Thank you for this video Gordon! Can't wait for the samples, I would really like to understand if this camera paired with the 12-35 can produce detailed images such as an a7iii with the 24-105 (given the comparable focal lenghts) with a smaller and lighter lens
Brilliant detailed review mate. Thankyou.
Thanks!
A good review Gordon. Well done Panasonic. There's nothing here to make me switch from my OM-1 but I can see the attraction for current M43 Panasonic owners and the video capabilities will appeal to some as the OM-1 is less than stellar in this department. The real winner is the M43 format with 2 excellent flagship body options now available.
Great video!
Perhaps a good combination for shooting vlogs is the G9 II with the PanaLeica 9mm f/1.7 and electronic stabilization on HIGH. I don't even think a gimbal will be needed and there will be no trace of that annoying jelly effect.
In a future review, when the camera is on sale and the firmware is more polished, it would be great if you could delve into how the Raw files behave in photos. How well they recover highlights and shadows.
as a 'bird in flight' shooter and current owner of the OM-1 and 150-400 I am interested mainly in pure AF performance/keeper rates and what IBIS/IS losses (vs the OM-1) I will suffer with the 150-400 if going with a G9II. every little bit helps so every little loss will no doubt be a noticeable detriment.
--i'm not likely ever going to use 60fps but i'd like to use 30fps, or higher, once in a while. it appears the G9II has the same limitation as the OM-1 with regards to choosing sequential(with AF for each frame) shooting speeds. i am stumped why, with the OM-1, my options are 25fps and 50fps. are there only two options with the G9II, being 20fps or 60fps? if so why? why can't i/we select any speed from 20fps up to 60fps?
i've seen the G9II's IBIS/IS specs and, more importantly, what lenses and focal lengths they are derived from. They are similar enough to those of the OM-1 but well short of the 150-400's 500mm. Again, I have to consider the 150-400 and really need to know how well the G9II's IBIS will perform with the lens at full zoom with the 1.25X active because I often use the lens at 500mm.
***finally...my biggest, most frustrating, and, longest ongoing annoyance with Olympus/OMDS is having to have attained Master's degree in camera settings in order to just try to set the camera up for it's best performance. I'm still not sure if I have the camera (OM-1) set up correctly to achieve the best BIF results possible. Rarely, if ever, has an email (or a 10 email chain) to Olympus/OMDS helped in figuring out best setting choices.
--regarding BIF and the G9II, am I going to have to spend a year or two of countless hours on youtube/web forums/emails trying to figure out how best to set the camera up for BIF?
I love my m4/3 lenses, and would love to learn more about low light performance and af in low light! Thank you very much for your great work👏👏👏
Hi Gordon, than you for the video.
I have two questions :
1- How about the IBIS performance in open gate and 5,7K compared to 4K ? Since the S1 and and GH6, very high resolution modes like 5,7K, 5,8K or 6K, (especially in open gate) have lower IBIS performance compared to 4K or C4K. The IBIS of the G9II seems improved compared to the GH6 so I'm very interested to see if the Open Gate IBIS is improved as well.
2-Also, the GH6 has sadly lot of details smearing in low light with non log profiles compared to previous cameras, fortunatly V-Log has much better details rendering and almost zero detail smearing so I use it almost everytimes. However, the DR BOOST who give a sharper image, better DR (better highlight recovery) and less noise is only available at ISO 2000, so even if the DR Boost improves noise, the non DR Boost V-Log at ISO 250 is cleaner. The fact than the G9II can use the V-Log DR BOOST at ISO 500 is great, but is the quality is the same than on the GH6 (no smearing/chroma noise reduction) ?
Very thorough, very helpful. Thank you!
You're welcome!
thanks for using the 8mm, idk, i really like the unique look of a fisheye with a little bit of background blur. it looks really good. especially with the ibis of this camera. probably the best ibis I've seen so far. 👌
Thanks, i love the 8mm too!
Looking forward to your in depth review as I have an original G9 and this looks like a worthwhile upgrade for me as a stills photographer. How about a comparison test between the G9 II and the Om-1 ?
Yep om1 vs g9ii
Another thorough camera review from Gordon. As far as people commenting in the forums about phase detect autofocus finally coming to Panasonic, I think they worry too much about the gear and not enough about their own abilities.
It's mostly video shooters that worry about phase detect.
They are people that love science more than magic and It's not always a bad thing.
I have a G9 and use it mostly for photography. I never check the LCD display on the top of the camera. Won't miss it.
Would be interested to see whether G92 can track human’s face and eye like Canon and Nikon where you can put a box and stick to it? Currently, OM-1 does not do that well at all.
Great review of an interesting camera
Thanks!
I think with the video upgrades in the G9II we can expect that Panasonic will go even more above and beyond for the GH-series.
Impressive review Gordon! A huge amount of detail for a first impression!
Thanks, yes, it kept getting longer and longer!
I am still a MFT shooter with a G95 and a GX9 but I still figure out one thing. How to shoot with flash on but with the display showing only the preview without flash. What I mean is for the camera to shows only the preview of what the exposure is like based on my setting iff I didn't turn on the flas. Anyone can help me here?
Having switched to Nikon and found the video stabilization a bit meh. Now packed and ready to go with my Nikon gear and finding the backpack heavy, I may have to have a serious talk with myself about the G9ii....
"The OG9". Nice one, Gordon!😁
I wonder if it'll stick?
Great review! I have been testing my new G9ii and one of my favorite new features is the countdown display of how many seconds are left in a long exposure. Just a small quality of life surprise. But can Panasonic PLEASE do a firmware update to allow Fuji-like shutter speeds to go past 60”!
I've been battling the urge to bite on the S5IIX due to the necessity of purchasing lenses. With my G9 and GH5II + eight M43 lenses, this is exactly what I've waited for. The PDAF alone is worth the upgrade for me. Great review Gordon
Thanks, Gordon. Actually, I happen to like the G9 I's hair-trigger shutter! I'm also bummed that they didn't go with the 5.76MP EVF and lost the mode dial lock (and top screen). Other than that, I almost pre-ordered one but I'd still like to see a test with production firmware as well as tests of the new lenses, as I have the current versions of both the Lumix G X 35-100 f/2.8 "Mk 2" and Leica 100-400 f/4-6.3 and wonder if they're worth upgrading.
I do find the CF Express card slots annoying as a photographer who likes to shoot dual slots. I guess if you're not mirroring saves to both cards, it won't matter. You can save to the faster one first, and then let images spill over to the second if the first runs out. I am curious how this camera compares to the OM-1. I was a Panasonic user for years. Then I gave up on them coming out with a replacement for the G9 and picked up an OM-1 last year. Of course, that's when Panasonic releases the G9 ii. I'm not sure what to do. I've really enjoyed using the OM-1, and am "finally" getting used to the entirely different ergonomics when compared to Panasonic. Though this updated G9 appears to have more in common with the OM-1's layout than my old G7 has with it. I certainly look forward to your further experience with this camera. I'd love to know how it goes for you, and how it compares to the OM-1. Thanks for the in-depth, hard work, as always!
Nice comprehensive review of the G9 II...is there a Part 2 sequel to this video which you have alluded to? I could not find it....Thanks.
Thanks! I'm afraid I've not made part 2 yet
Love the samples shown here of the Olympus 75 mm portraits and Leica 100-400 at the safari park.
My favorite lens on wish list is Leica 200 f2.8 for long distance.
Have original G9 with Leica 8-18 F 2.8 - 4 and Voigtlander Nokton 42.5mm f/0.95
Happy G9 updated with pdaf, put that to rest.
Thanks! PS - I took the 200 2.8 on a safari with the OG9 and it never left the body - see www.cameralabs.com/south-africa-safari-photography/
Is buffer clearing time for burst photos shorter when using SSD recording as opposed to SD V90 cards? BTW it would be nice to have also an option of SH30 and SH40. With the lack of fast media (CFexpress B) ability to choose some middle ground in burst mode would be nice.
Yes, writing the buffer out to SSD is a little faster, but not hugely so - around one third quicker according to Richard Wong's recent video.
Great review
Thanks!
hoboi cant wait to see what they bring to the gh7
Presumably pdaf!
Great review Gordon! Comparisons to the OM-1 would be much appreciated.
Thanks, I'll try to do some
Well I had watched this when you released it and now watching it again, you've sealed the deal my friend. Guess who's getting a G9ii... 😉
I know you're a fan of the G9! Do note the body is quite different though, it's based on the S5 body
Indeed @@cameralabs . I am very interested to try it regardless. I actually shot the S5II for a moment and rather liked it and as I understand, it is the same essential DNA as far as body design so curious to see if it gels given my love for the original.
@@OneMonthTwoCameras if you enjoyed the S5II body, then you'll certainly be happy with this one! I'll be interested to hear what you think of it! Do you know anyone at Panasonic? I can mention you to them if you like.
Oh wow @@cameralabs, that is too kind of you! I know no one :) But happy for an intro if they're open to it.
@@OneMonthTwoCameras I'll have a word...
As always, a very thorough review. Many thanks! I would like to see you test video bird detect autofocus at 4K 50p and 4K 100p. Thanks!
I think subject detection might stop working above 4k60
Great video thank you! Can you tell me if the continuous autofocus works well while you filming slow motion in 4k 120fps or only works with manual focus mode?
AF does work at 4k 120 but without subject detection as i recall
Hi Gordon could you help verify if the camera shoots 14 bit RAW stills in both electronic and mechanical shutter?
Also as an offbeat check, does the camera live view feed when connected to the Panasonic app switch from vertical and horizontal if the camera is mounted up top facing straight down (E.g. for a “flat lay” shot)? I had that on a previous M4/3 Panasonic model when the camera’s gyro(?) doesn’t detect well or is on a stand that is locked off but not 100% vibration free. On the app it just constantly switches between horizontal and vertical live view.
Lastly, wonder if you have a speedbooster and can test with your DSLR lenses (maybe Sigma 40mm?) on how they perform with the G9II?
Thank you!
Heard Matt Frazer say on the Live event that it shoots 16-bit RAW stills.
All tests for a follow-up! I suspect e RAW will be lower bit depth
This is the best featured M43 camera so far.
Would like to know if the G9II is better at wildlife photography than my OM-1.
Looks like the G9II has an impressive burst rate, but maybe more rolling shutter due to not being a stacked sensor?
I hope to make some comparisons
I'm interested in seeing more content on this camera... just to let you know.
I'll try and sort you out!
I have a G9 and I definitely plan to upgrade to G9 II as soon as it is in stock.
Nice! What are you most excited about?
Does the G9ii have an automatic de-fish filter like the omd and emiii? Was wondering when watching your footage with the Oly 8mm, which I own
I don't think it does...
I agree that a primary target demographic are people already in the MFT eco system - I've looked at the Canon mirrorless system but my canon lenses are EF so would need the adaptor, looked at the Lumix S series... but no lenses so would need the Sigma EF to L adaptor but I've a silly amount of MFT lenses as I've been able to pickup even highend lenses cheap (including stuff like the 42.5 1.2 and the 75 1.8) - that and these still make a smaller overall system (my I had my G9 MK I with the 100-400 lens with me when my Sony shooting friend was bragging about how his new A7c was "smaller than the G9" yeh but you've got the SIGMA 150-600mm on it (a lens I own in EF mount so I have years of experience lugging that around) and all up it's much bigger and heavier than my G9 + 100-400
So happy to see Panasonic do this.
Would the old Leica 100-400 work ok with the new G9II? I know they made a new one.
It should be ok
This is the wildlife video camera that I wish the gh6 was. Apparently there are rumors of a gh7 coming in November. If so I hope it’s exactly what the gh6 is but with pdaf (I love its body design - yes, even it’s size/weight).
The gh6 is still a very enjoyable camera, and I’ll keep using it, it’s just not great for filming small animals in motion though (my primary use unfortunately)
Hello again Gordon, there is no 4k photo mode. Is the Post Focus mode gone too? There is no incanera focus stacking? Also, for vidoe there was a 4k live cropping mode, is that still present?
That's right, no 4k photo mode. So no post focus. There is focus bracketing, but I'm not sure if it'll also stack in-camera. I don't think there's live crop. There's so many features, it's hard to keep up with them all, especially as I've not had much time with it. You may get more info on the actual modes from the Panasonic website.
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon. I suspected this. It leaves OM with an advantage.
Does the metabones speed booster fit the g92 ? Thanks
I want one. I love MFT because with my lowepro 450 aw back pack I can back 2 cameras and 6 lenses with ease and will have room for my lav mics, shotgun mic…etc
Does the Panasonic assemble high res photos in the camera the way that Olympus does? When I switched to Sony Olympus that was one thing that I really missed.
Yes, Panasonic and Olympus are two of the only ones that do the composite in-camera.
Great review. Will you be doing one on the new 100-400 and how that compares to the old one.
I don't think it differs much at all. Same optical formula as far as I know.
@@cameralabs thanks I won’t rush to pre order then
On another note I live and breath by your book. The most useful information I have received on my photography journey
The 12mm walking shot like gimbal shot. 8mm is suppose to do better giving such wide angle but come out a bit shaky.
Thanks Gordon for all your work. Glad you're testing the G9ii with Oly lenses because it's a major question for me (poor experience with oly 25 f1.8 on G85 by example). 2 questions for you : 1/ One thing i've learned from reviews on cameras in general, is that tracking is a thing, sharp focus may be another. So, the tracking seems really good, but, at the end, are the pictures sharp ? (especially in hard conditions, moving subjects, low light) ? 2/ is there differences on autofocus ability using mechanical shutter (=> black out) compared with ES (thus without blackout) ?
That's a great question. As you know the tracking is software based and generally does a great job on most cameras at placing a box over the desired target. But whether the actual AF hardware can keep up with it or be driven as accurately is another matter. So yep, i'll try to show some examples with enlarged views of the subject in a burst.
@@cameralabs Great ! Eager to watch that ! And thank you for replying.
Gordon, are you sure about your description of iDynamic? Previously it was just single exposure with shadows rised.
It's still a single frame, but I believe it uses what I think is dual native ISO to effectively have two versions at two different ISOs to play with. But I can't confirm how it works 100% and whether it's genuinely new, as often these things are just marketed as new.
Greetings from New Zealand. In the 100 megapixel mode can flash be used to create an image? Imagine that probably flash won't work at all because several flashes would need to fire in sync. Thanks for the great reviews.
Kia ora! Nope, no flash in high res mode as far as I know
@@cameralabs Thanks for reply. Would be an excellent feature for product shots. Another reason for LED lighting.
@@RogerBays exactly.
Hi Gordon. Could you include a test for rolling shutter when shooting stills please? As a wildlife tog who mainly shoots BIF it's one of the prerequisites for me when choosing a camera body. Anything worse than the OM-1 would be unacceptable to me.
Yes, that's something I'd like to test
Thank you.@@cameralabs
Gordon … It’s always great to see your reviews ! Thank you ! 👍
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this great first look! In it's own right this is an outstanding camera, however I feel some conflict here. I find it curious as to why both the GH6 and G9 II have been released without BSI sensors which for the the format and photosite density you'd think would have to be leaving low light and dynamic range performance on the table with a higher noise floor. The GH5s was a massive success in this regard. I also find it curious that they choose their photo centric body to introduce PDAF where DFD is not nearly so much an issue as with video. So now there are truly useful video features like 12-bit ext BRAW / ProRes RAW recording and Dynamic Range Boost stranded on the GH6 while the G9 II has the PDAF and insanely good video IBIS. As an ex GH5 video centric user (now on Sony FF) I think you summed it up perfectly that this IS the camera for those deep in M43 either on a G9 or GH5 and looking for an upgrade.
Thanks, and I'd expect a GH successor at some point in the future with PDAF.
Great review Gordon!!! Thanks so much for the shoutout ☺️📷🙏
Thanks, and you're very welcome! I really enjoy your videos and have wanted to do a shoutout for a while now!
I watched your videos from the review of the Lumix Panasonic DMC-FZ50
Hah thanks! I remember doing that one
Interesting review Gordon and I think you are right about the video capabilities which are rather impressive. Although I have other systems as my main ones, I do have a G80 and G90 plus lenses as one of my lightweight carry options but fond of those as I am, I'm not sure that I would spend this amount of money on this new body as there would be other choices for me to think about. When you do some more testing, I would be very interested in how it handles as an action/wildlife camera, cheers :)
yes, I definitely want to do more bird tests
I see in the S5ii menu that they dumped multi-exposure mode.....how about the G9ii? I use the multi-exposure mode with flash for real estate photography, it saves me from having to bring extra flashes and tripods on jobs, and has been invaluable on the S5 mark i.
Good question, I'll try to find out
With CFexpress type B and a fan like on S5 II it would be literally perfect. I wouldn't even miss timecode of external RAW recording. But is still so good that I will definately buy it. The only thing that concernes me really is overheating in 5.8K 30p when powered from mains and recording into SSD (aka long format indoors recording like concerts, lectures, ceremonies etc. in hot climate). Even that worse-than-OM-1 rolling-shutter performance will not stop me from buying it.
What does "S&Q" on the dial do? Did this replace the Art mode on the dial?
Slow and quick for slow motion or sped up video in camera
Any more G9 II videos that we can expect in the coming year? Would love to see it go head to head to the OM1, Sony A6700 and R7
It's on my to-do list!
An excellent review as always! I am looking forward to your next videos on this camera. I hope they will next give us a GX model, that is what I am looking for ultimately.
I suspect they may not make many more, but who knows?
@@cameralabs With the success of the X100V, X-E4 and Ricoh GR models, I am hoping Panasonic are working on a new GX. The GX line has always been stylish, they could use the Leica branding more, a Leica 15mm kit for example. There are lots of possibilities for Pany to make us happy and make money too.
No colour profile dedicated button like the GH5ii :(
I’m a GH5/GH6 shooter and I’m loving the G9II it feels like the true hybrid successor to the GH5 (no fan and dual SD).
It’s the perfect B-Cam to my GH6 until the GH7 with pdaf arrives.
Weather sealed? And sensor protection when changing lens? -- friendly thanks
Yes, weather sealed - and I used it in light sustained rain today - but no sensor protection when changing lenses.
This camera looks like a great update for g7/85/95 users
Definitely
I’m coming from g85 and ready to take my photography to the next level and like staying Panasonic since all my current lenses but wondering between G9II or om1 for best landscape, wildlife, travel and portrait?
@@gregpatterson134 there's a lot to weigh-up. I'm making a video comparing some aspects of them, but also check out Micro Four Nerds comparison as it already has some great stuff in there.
Thanks ! Do you konw if the AFS mode is un phase detection like AFC or contrast detection ?
Not 100% sure, but most cameras use contrast detect in AFS mode
@@cameralabs I got the answer : at least when a 4/3 (not m4/3) lense like the SWD series from Zuiko Digital, the OM-1 body switches to phase detect in AFS, I made the test and those lenses have a very decent AFS ans AFC with the OM-1 body and very poor AFS with G9II body (same kind of calamity than GH5). G9II wouldn't even allow AFC with those lenses, as I read on a dpreview forum. For SWD on OM-1 I can testify as I tested it myself. It seems to be the same thing on the OM-5. OM-1 has other issues like Viltrox Speedbooster compatibility problems.
To clarify, are you saying that the new Pre Burst features is a substitute for the 4K/6K Photo feature? That was something I used on my old G9 and missed when I bought my S5 II. I need to better understand how the PreBurst function will help me capture those fast moving, unpredictable subjects like Hummingbirds in Flight. 4K/6K Photo did a great job with this.
Yes, it's instead of 4k 6k Photo. You use it like a normal drive mode, buffering up to 1.5 secs while you half press. Photos are at the full resolution too
@@cameralabs Thank you. I just watched the LUMIX live stream TH-cam and asked about it and he explained it quite well. I can’t wait to get my new G9 MkII
1. My G9 Gen1 (stuck on 1.2 firmware for the unlimited 4K60 recording hack) never overheated I filmed 2000+ videos, countless 30+ minute to 1hr+ one-take 4K60 recordings, so I expect this one to not be any worse for the unlimited 4K60 recording!! Would like to see if you can max the 1hr30min recording at 4K60 handheld to dual SD in 10bit H265 modes maybe different bitrates and HLG, and that it doesn't overheat on you.
2. Happy with dual SD instead of CFexpress, I wonder also if USB-C SSD recording option also lowers heat generation somewhat when recording some of those high bitrate modes like that compared with Dual SD internal recording. So perhaps any needs people might have to record unlimited 5.8K, 4.4K anamorphic, 4K120 or the ProRes codecs then the external SSD is preferable not only for the much cheaper storage/$ but also to keep some of the heat related to storage outside of the camera to perhaps actually enable unlimited recording even in those modes too? While anything up to unlimited 4K60 at any codecs/bit depth hopefully never overheats to Dual SD card internally!
3. What are the 10bit H265 4K60 bitrates available? what quality can be expected at which bitrates compared to my 150mbit/s 4K60 H264 of the G9 Gen1? I wonder if this finally allows me to try doing HLG 4K60 for some type of HDR publishing format that hopefully looks great on TH-cam (also that hopefully doesn't look any worse for people who watch my videos on non-HDR displays too). Also considering all my content gets uploaded to TH-cam, how low a bitrate of H265 would be the best format to record for TH-cam uploading at. Does it do something like a 50mbit/s 10bit H265 HLG 4K60 that's perfect for direct to TH-cam uploading? Am I right in thinking A7Siii does do 4K60 H265 modes as low as 50mbit/s and do they look decent at that small a filesize?
4. Recording to LUTs, hopefully it wouldn't be too cumbersome to figure out which LUTs I might want to switch between depending on situation, and thus to bake that right into the H265 ready for TH-cam-uploading..
5. One feature I think I'd like might be a safe backup of all SD card contents by USB-C to dual external storage, both SSD and HDD. Once data backed up safely twice and verified twice it could offer to free up space on internal SD cards safely.. This would let me skip some steps I always need to do when backing up and verifying the backups before freeing up SD card space.. I don't think I've seen anyone asking for that kind of feature to be supported though, so maybe I'm fine continuing to backup up manually with my portable SSD backup Nextodi system and using a laptop..
6. Would be nice if there was a non-XLR adapter use of those 4 Audio channels, but with just a bunch of cheap 2.4Ghz wireless microphones and/or shotgun microphone and/or wired lapel microphone on myself behind the camera. Although I always prefer to record my sound to both channels ready for publishing I don't like spending time post-producing sound or anything else.
7. And while I've been looking at the 10-25mm from afar because of its reported width and brightness/quality, I wonder how it really performs in terms of handheld IBIS performance compared with my 12-60mm Leica that has Dual IS 2.. And I wonder if all the Dual IS 2 lenses will need to get some sorts of firmware updates to smoothly also integrate with that new PDAF capability.. So basically how does IBIS compare:
Using Dual IS 2 enabled lenses 12-35mm mk3/mk2, 12-60mm Leica
Using non Dual IS 2 enabled lenses 10-25mm Leica, 8-18mm Leica, 12-40mm Olympus Pro, Olympus 8-25mm f4
Or which other lenses one can consider in that type of zoom range.. For vlogging I guess the 8mm maybe 10mm are maybe ok with EIS Standard or High crop, while the 12mm has to stay on IBIS only..
USB ssd will remove heat from card slots but will have a battery hit. That said, I'll try it. Sadly no opportunity to backup card to ssd, it's one or the other
@@cameralabs yes I understand tripling recording bandwidth from the sensor to 2 SD cards + external SSD isn't supported, but what I am looking for, kind of like a firmware request I guess, would be that if I am in play mode and I connect an SSD or HDD by the Type-C it pops up an option "Copy and Verify all data from SD card 1 to External Storage", then it'd copy all the data out at max read speed of SD card and max write speed of SSD if possible, then once completed the copy it'd verify all data is correctly copied. When done it might say "All data copied safely from SD Card 1 to External Storage, Disconnect External Storage (to connect a second external storage media), Format SD card? Yes/No" Perhaps optimally even with a USB-C Hub to connect two external storage media at the same time and make sure it copies the data to both external storage devices, for example an SSD and a HDD, and verifies all data backed up then offers to format internal SD cards when done. This could be something I would do every single time I plug my camera to this hub that also does USB-PD charging, so every night it's copied all files to my SSD and my HDD and its charged it's internal battery, all as a one-cable connect + one click in menu, and it does all that auto-backup'ing all while I sleep. 😄
And here's another little idea for that, if I have 2 SD cards that each have about 150MB/s read speed, and I select to backup to external SSD, it should detect that same data has been parallel recorded to both SD cards and then it can combine the total read speed to 300MB/s to copy over from both SD cards to that external SDD at full 300MB/s speed. 😆
Actually I also think this might be a "trick" to enable some of the higher bitrate recording modes to the internal SD cards too, to combine both SD card write speeds (not using paralel backup recording but instead using RAID recording mode) to record using some type of RAID mode, when choosing some of the higher bitrate options when recording to both SD cards internally..
@@cameralabs and when you say it may have a battery hit recording to external SSD, I wonder if a Hub including also a USB PD Power bank to charge the camera from the same USB-C connector while also recording out to the SSD through it.. Swapping power banks you may have truly unlimited recording that way..
@@charbax hmmm, interesting idea BUT I'm not sure the camera's USB port and do data and charging at the same time.
@@charbax I agree, backing up from SD to SSD as a menu operation in playback would be fantastic, and I even suggested it to them today, but none of them will do it yet. Not sure why not.
Interesting and featured packed review as always, but what I want to see is your review of the Sony A7CII and the R version which I looked eagerly for on the day of release and is still missing !
I was away on holiday, sorry! See my Instagram!
And Sony could not send you 2 travel sized cameras for use on your vacation! Shame on them 😅
Would you say the autofocus can now be comparable to a sony camera?
Depends. I feel Sony and Canon feel more confident overall but for hit rate its getting closer
I'm just sad they took away my top deck lcd panel and that the mode dial is not lockable. Other than that its fantastic.
As an owner of the physically similar S5, the camera is no looker. However it is the most instinctive layout of any camera I've owned, with all the controls in the right place. It isn't as efficiently bland as the Sony's and retains the right amount of quirkiness to keep things interesting.
FWIW, I shoot with Olympus cameras exclusively. And I think the G9II is a winner. Lumix users should be very happy indeed.
As a GH6 owner this one is a tough call .. i like the GH6, but the auto focus in video is just not good enough to be used. The times i have tired to rely on it it has failed every time. So right now i use it with manual focus mostly, so this could be worth it for that alone. But there are rumors that the GH7 might be announced before the end of the year, and i would hate to buy a camera just to find out a month later i should have waited for the next in line.
Since they deliberately left out some video features, I'm sure there'll either be a GH7 coming in the next 6 months, or maybe a full-frame S1H successor. if you can wait, i would.
Gordon, does the PDAF only work in continuous AF mode?
That's a good question, Im not sure. Most cameras use CDAF in single AF, or use pdaf to get close, then CDAF to nail it. It's only ever 100% PDAF in AFC normally.
Gordon! Missed you, so good to see you!
Glad to be back!
Excellent as always Gordon, the only tube to come to for cameras, I just pre-ordered mine from WEX upgrading my GH5M2 :)
Thanks!
Nice, could you tested with adaptor and 4/3 lenses?
I'm afraid I have neither (although I am shopping for an old E-400...!)
Cool, I am using E400
@@cameralabs
Lots of great reviews on this camera…and yours is one of the best! Richard Wong also did AF comparison tests to the original G9, the GH6 and the OM1. The 9ii was the best of the bunch, but the GH6 was quite close (and a few times faster to me) and what surprised me was how well the original g9 did. Moving into frame it wasn’t far behind the OM1 (both took a second to focus- he was using a Pan. Lens on the OM1 I believe) and if in frame (just moving within) it was often as good as the others. Looking forward to more tests!
Thanks!
Hi Gordon,
Thank you for creating this valuable video🙏. I'm interested to buy G9II in my country once it is available. In past I was using Lumix G85 for 4K video with decent IBIS but shifted to Sony system for video autofocus and low light noise free ISO range (till 1600) starting with camera a6400.
If I'm not wrong , I had watched in your past videos that you are using a6400 to shoot youtube videos in real world outdoors. So, with this G9II video I'm sure that you are the best who can answer my querry or questions .Sorry for my bad English.
I am using APSC sensor because I want deep depth of field plus medium blur ( achieved with aperture level f4 with sigma contempory 16mm-f1.4, 30mm-f1.4 lenses respectively) and ISO range without noise upto ISO 1600 on a6400. For extreme dark conditions with a6400 Cine1,Cine4 tuned profiles, I am fully satisfied with Sigma 16mm,30mm of aperture level f4 till noise free upto ISO 1600 and with noise upto ISO4000.
Now, MFT can acheive deep depth of field easily as I know from G85 camera in video with best IBIS handheld.
My question is based on new Lumix G9II and old Sony a6400 video comparison related to low light ISO performance outdoors in low light dark nights(example:with street lights). Is G9II ISO at 1600 and 3200 are equivalent (or better) comparison to Sony a6400 ISO 1600 and 3200 at low light nights outdoors with G9II auto dynamic boost auto on for 15-20min -10bit 422 video shoot with IBIS? I will use Lumix 10-25 f1.7 lens at any aperture at night with G9II.
I'll be very thankful to you🙏, if you answer this ISO related video query based on G9II and a6400 comparison as there is huge years technology gap between these two cameras for ISOs in low light videos.
If it is a photo-centric camera then why did they remove the top LCD camera beloved to photographers on that camera?
I think the most affordable shell available to them for this model was the S5II
Great and extremely thorough review. 👍
Thanks!
Whilst it's not a deal breaker, I originally decided I'd purchase a G9 II because I thought - amongst other goodies, that it too would have a top screen so I'm disappointed with that. In addition, I liked the feel of the G9 when I tried it out in store because it felt so much like my Pentax K-3 II. However, I'm not in love with the new design, it being too square and with a seemingly much smaller grip. Mind you, it hasn't stopped me laying my money down and placing my pre-order. I suppose I'll just get used to it. Can't wait for the back end of November.
Wouldn't it be really nice for a manufacturer to release a high spec camera solely for photographers with no video capability.
I hope you enjoy it!
@@cameralabs I probably will and when I said, "... no video capability.", I meant not concentrating on it so much but merely letting the video do its job in the background. Personally, I don't have any interest in the shooting of video. I understand there are people who do but why has Panasonic said that this is a 'photographer's' camera when in reality it's clearly a hybrid with seeming equal progress in both formats? Will the price of the GH6 come tumbling down? In addition, given that it's so far removed from the G9 as to be a completely new camera, why designate it the Mk 2, why not call it G95, for example? I suppose that's the problem with releasing the G10 such a long time ago. They've really painted themselves into a corner with the illogical numbering sequence.
Still, never mind, eh! Roll on November!