Completely agree, and the situation is a disgrace.. The Merseyrail Class 777 EMUs are only there for a short time, as there is no depot space to store them on Merseyside. The Class 701 units being stored are another matter. In view of the incredible delays in First accepting any of those units (they maintain it is largely due to defects and systems problems), it is ironic that when First won the contract to run South Western Railway they didn’t order more Class 707 Desiro units from Siemens. The 30 ordered by Stagecoach were fully accepted by the driving staff and working well in service. First thought they had a cheaper option from Bombardier ( now Alsthom) but what a joke that has turned out to be, with only two in regular use for short periods each day. If they had ordered a comparable number of Desiros, they would all be in service, and they could be running a full service ! You really couldn’t make up this mess.
Some of the Merseyrail 777s have been sitting in sidings in Poland for over three years before moving to Long Marston. The official reason is that Covid impacted on their delivery as there was no opportunity for driver training when in reality they were ordered and bought by Merseytravel with the intention that they would be DOO. Eventually, an agreement was made that they would retain a guard/train manager. Unfortunately, since delivery commenced over a year ago, the operational reliability of the 777s has been appalling.@@antman09ful1
Not the BR I worked for mate. Waste was a depot sport. I still recall stripping newly overhauled units to get spares off them, because the LTS services never got newly overhauled units
Wonder if the 701s will ever be seen in service down to Weymouth or Portsmouth or if they'll occasionally see use on the Lymington branch (5 car version only).
What a waste of coaching stock, yes it's okay if the units are leased, the train company can give them back to rust away and towed away for scrap, we are so wasteful in the 21st century.
This is Brexit Britain. We are literally pouring money down the drain. Not planning anything, or thinking long-term. It's all about just the next few years.....then the next few, and so on. We can't keep thinking in this way - it's breaking the country. Having new railway stock for just five or so years symbolises this short-term thinking perfectly. Indeed, what an absolute waste. Shocking.
@@antman09ful1tbf the only stock in this video which is going for scrap is the ex TPE mk5 stock, pretty much all the stock that featured in this video are awaiting transit to start their working life with their respective operators; particularly the 777’s and 701’s that are in this video which account for the majority of the stock featured in the video.
It is a shame to see Mike, especially all those fairly new trains at the front like the 777s. Great shots from you. You did well covering this on the windy day. Another gooden from you. Very nice indeed! Really enjoyed, thanks for sharing! Take care, have an awesome day and all the best! Jamie
Super video Mike, very interesting. So many trains lying around yards unused when service trains are often bursting at the seams. Just doesn't make sense. I blame this pathetic Government !
A tiny crumb of comfort to see the Long Marston depot being intensively used - but for all the wrong reasons of course. Looking forward to riding on the 701 units once they're more fully rolled out down here in SWR land. Thus far it's been a case of Arterio Sclerosis
It reminded me of Darnall sidings back in the 80s when it was full of withdrawal DMUs and coaches 😮 Shame about the TPE stock just sitting idle when the trains are bursting at the seams 😩 How come the triple 7s are there………..🤔 Great video Mike 👍🏻
i remember there was a shed at Darnall with smashed windows in every pane, looked inside and it housed a load of 08s , that would have been early to mid 80s. The difference is that in those days that stock was liked by pretty much anyone that used the railways , there is very little affection for modern day rolling stock .
Would love that to happen and for them to be a dedicated fleet to work alongside the Class 67s on the Marches runs. Appreciate that TFW have ordered new trains for that route, but in terms of capacity they are completely inadequate.
Can the cracks in the axles and sub frame be remedied by the Lessors or not and are there financial implications for the manufacturers, Were the class 68s the best motive power idk. Been said that Chiltern has shown some interest if those issues are addressed for Oxford and Birmingham services releasing the 4 car 168s for Aylesbury peak services and further the two cars 165s for the East -West line when completed
Stored useable stock is never a good look. I think I heard on a different site the new SW trains units had issues but I can't recall what they were. Let's hope they don't deteriorate too much before there put into service. Great but sad video, well done Mike 🤓
is it stored (as such) or waiting to go into service, Donnington has had 196 and 197 units in it for a few years now. they are now down to around 10 197 units atm. freightliner come in every few weeks and drag the next one out , i am guessing this will be the same set up. This is what happens when you have got rid of all stabling points and sheds, there is no place to put these apart from places that might also house scrap and stored (ready for scrap) stock
Need to be sent up to the northeast , all we got for local commuter trains up here are 35 year old class 156 and 158, although they are a vast improvement over the pacer’s
Not a surprise that the 701s are still there, it just proves their unreliability to be taken into service. Also just curious but during your visit at Long Marston, did you happen to see any SWR class 455 and 456s that are kept in storage there? Or have they been scrapped?
I undertook work experience at Long Marston last summer! Was very very interesting and even got to go in some of the 701s! It's a shame though that there's so many 701s still there. As for the Mk5as who knows. Chiltern has been a rumour but then nothing has happened regarding it! Hopefully the 701s get moved on into SWRs fleet soon!
Well regarding the class 701 I think we are looking at another twelve months before you will see many of them in service which is shocking considering some are now over three years old. Not my thought on the MK 5s is I hope Chiltern does have them but I believe that could be in 2025 at the earliest. But thank you very much for telling us you had a interesting time at LM last year. I did go round myself many years back when they let the public in.
@@antman09ful1 I think some 701s are actually hitting their 5th birthdays this year (construction started in late 2018 early 2019) and the fact they're still not in service is absolutely terrible like you said! What is the holdback exactly, I haven't looked hugely into it!
The 701s are on the move. Cab issues have been sorted. Starting to enter service on Windsor Line diagrams. Should be on the way to Feltham/Strawberry Hill/ Wimbledon over the next few weeks.
It needs to be noted that storage is not the same as withdrawal, most of these trains will see further use but as many depots may not have the operating space and secure storage, Long Marston can provide that.
To be honest, the only stock in this video which is actually to be scrapped is the ex TPE mk5 stock set, pretty much all the stock that featured in this video are awaiting transit to start their working life with their respective operators; particularly the 777’s and 701’s that are in this video which account for the majority of the stock featured in the video.
So you know something nobody else knows about the TPE MK 5s, if they are being scrapped why are they being de-branded and going back to Longsight. Can you please give me and my other followers of my channel more information what to expect after May.
Honestly I feel like the Nova train sets should not even be there, I don't understand why trans Pennine express got rid of their sets. There was a step up in comfort and people actually did like them
They will end up like the stored DB Class 60's in Toton whilst the UK railways around the country are still using Donkey year old units, Just imagine the cost of the storage of these units let alone the problems it will cause whilst being in storage, Soon they will be running out of space in Long Marston.
SWR seems to love wasting money, SWR refurbish class 442, and introduce them back into service, add a new traction package costing an alledged £45m GET SCRAPPED without entering revenue earning service
Seems a ridiculous situation. But yet shitloads of money from the toc's is going to pay for the storage of their stock. Now let me work out where..... Ummm fares?
Michael its all one big mess is our railways, and non of the top brass could give a toss when it come to giving the general public a proper train service. Thank you for your comment.
I wouldn’t worry yourself about it too much. It’s modern rubbish. Invest your time into the heritage locos we have running while we still can. ATB jack
DfT decides what company gets what traction, they don't get to choose themselves. Besides most of these unit types are cheaply built and require a lot of maintenence.
Omg look at it those TPE going to waste all because people in my town moaning about noise 🙄 whats this world coming to or better still whats the UK now become? Now we're back on the roofs on the 185s
All these units lying around all over the network but EMR had everyone booking seats on services to Skegness as they couldn't provide enough seats for everyone to travel who wanted a day at the seaside!!!!!
Incredible waste of money and rescources with most new trains just sat there gradually degrading being exposed to the elements although 701s have started to enter service
@@antman09ful1 Not entirely sure but I believe they will start to be rolled in within the next few months. Although that is purely based on the fact of the BR 455, those liverys only come about when the trains are entering their final year. Another example of that is 323221 as now 730s are being pulled in
What a waste of assets. Maybe ownership of trains and each TOC company which runs the trains which it leases off someone else, could in future become one contract or arrangement. Consolidation is needed for the rail industry rather than the current model of fragmentation.
Completely agree, and the situation is a disgrace.. The Merseyrail Class 777 EMUs are only there for a short time, as there is no depot space to store them on Merseyside. The Class 701 units being stored are another matter. In view of the incredible delays in First accepting any of those units (they maintain it is largely due to defects and systems problems), it is ironic that when First won the contract to run South Western Railway they didn’t order more Class 707 Desiro units from Siemens. The 30 ordered by Stagecoach were fully accepted by the driving staff and working well in service. First thought they had a cheaper option from Bombardier ( now Alsthom) but what a joke that has turned out to be, with only two in regular use for short periods each day. If they had ordered a comparable number of Desiros, they would all be in service, and they could be running a full service ! You really couldn’t make up this mess.
Well said Anthony, I agree with your comment.
Barry, without the rust, lol 🤣. Makes you wonder why so ,any units were built just to stand idle. The only happy people are the yard owners. 👍👍👍
Yes indeed Robert, wish they would do tours around there like when the class 86s 87s and 20s were there.
@@antman09ful1 Know anyone with a drone, lol 🤣?
And to think Worstgroup could've just ordered more 707s and they'd all be in service now, the 455s just a distant memory.
Yes I get what you are saying.
Cheers for your comment.
Correct me if I am wrong.... the 777s are stored there due to lack of space at their usual depot on the MerseyRail network.
Yes I believe you are right, probably other reasons too Andrew.
Some of the Merseyrail 777s have been sitting in sidings in Poland for over three years before moving to Long Marston. The official reason is that Covid impacted on their delivery as there was no opportunity for driver training when in reality they were ordered and bought by Merseytravel with the intention that they would be DOO. Eventually, an agreement was made that they would retain a guard/train manager. Unfortunately, since delivery commenced over a year ago, the operational reliability of the 777s has been appalling.@@antman09ful1
And this is why British Rail was much better at running a railway. None of this waste of expensive assets.
I agree with you Mervyn.
Not the BR I worked for mate. Waste was a depot sport. I still recall stripping newly overhauled units to get spares off them, because the LTS services never got newly overhauled units
What are all those 701s doing there
Bad news the class 701s have been delayed
Me: oh no anyways
@@aplane9625 Ye ikr
Wonder if the 701s will ever be seen in service down to Weymouth or Portsmouth or if they'll occasionally see use on the Lymington branch (5 car version only).
Maybe in 2025/26 Lee.
What a waste of coaching stock, yes it's okay if the units are leased, the train company can give them back to rust away and towed away for scrap, we are so wasteful in the 21st century.
Yes we are, thank you for your input regarding my video David.
This is Brexit Britain. We are literally pouring money down the drain. Not planning anything, or thinking long-term. It's all about just the next few years.....then the next few, and so on. We can't keep thinking in this way - it's breaking the country.
Having new railway stock for just five or so years symbolises this short-term thinking perfectly. Indeed, what an absolute waste. Shocking.
@@robtyman4281It’s nothing to do with Brexit!
Yes I agree Rob.
@@antman09ful1tbf the only stock in this video which is going for scrap is the ex TPE mk5 stock, pretty much all the stock that featured in this video are awaiting transit to start their working life with their respective operators; particularly the 777’s and 701’s that are in this video which account for the majority of the stock featured in the video.
It is a shame to see Mike, especially all those fairly new trains at the front like the 777s. Great shots from you. You did well covering this on the windy day. Another gooden from you. Very nice indeed! Really enjoyed, thanks for sharing! Take care, have an awesome day and all the best! Jamie
Many thanks Jamie, it can only happen in this country.
@antman09ful1 Anytime Mike, you're right there unfortunately!
Wonder if the Alstom made units will turn up here soon as they went into receivership recently.
Time will tell Ben.
Thank you for your interest.
Super video Mike, very interesting. So many trains lying around yards unused when service trains are often bursting at the seams. Just doesn't make sense. I blame this pathetic Government !
I don't have a answer for all the class's mate, as its different problems.
A tiny crumb of comfort to see the Long Marston depot being intensively used - but for all the wrong reasons of course.
Looking forward to riding on the 701 units once they're more fully rolled out down here in SWR land.
Thus far it's been a case of Arterio Sclerosis
Well pleased don't hold your breath as it could be a while longer as you have been promised them running a few times.
Thank you for watching my video.
It reminded me of Darnall sidings back in the 80s when it was full of withdrawal DMUs and coaches 😮 Shame about the TPE stock just sitting idle when the trains are bursting at the seams 😩 How come the triple 7s are there………..🤔 Great video Mike 👍🏻
Stevie its all so sad, cheers for the comment Mike.
i remember there was a shed at Darnall with smashed windows in every pane, looked inside and it housed a load of 08s , that would have been early to mid 80s. The difference is that in those days that stock was liked by pretty much anyone that used the railways , there is very little affection for modern day rolling stock .
Can’t understand why the class 777s are stored
Well no it is taking a long time to get them all in service I agree Matt.
Thank for checking out my video.
Train network knackered, yet stock like this doing nothing. So odd. We need all the trains we can out there
Thanks for your view on my video, and yes you are right.
Why can’t South Western Railway start using the rest of the Class 701 Arterio and to get rid of the Class 455.
We need to rebuild the honeybourne line again
That would be amazing Andy, but I cannot see it happening.
@@antman09ful1 the line from honeybournd used to go to Stratford, but only a stub remains to long marston sidings
Hopefully those Nova 3s will find a new home. I'm sure TfW or ScotRail could make good use of them. Provided they can scrounge up locos to pull them.
Would love that to happen and for them to be a dedicated fleet to work alongside the Class 67s on the Marches runs. Appreciate that TFW have ordered new trains for that route, but in terms of capacity they are completely inadequate.
Can the cracks in the axles and sub frame be remedied by the Lessors or not and are there financial implications for the manufacturers, Were the class 68s the best motive power idk. Been said that Chiltern has shown some interest if those issues are addressed for Oxford and Birmingham services releasing the 4 car 168s for Aylesbury peak services and further the two cars 165s for the East -West line when completed
TfW probably could find work for them, but seeing the mess that TfW is (always late anyway) I don't think it'd do any good
The newest trains are stored and dragged there by old locos like Class 37s and 47s.
You need to re-think what you have said mate, as most are taken there by other locos.
@@antman09ful1 yes but mostly 37s along with 47s and 68s.
Lots of those are stored there BEFORE they're coming in to service. The TPE Novas are a bit of a travesty though.
Thanks for the comment Dan.
Stored useable stock is never a good look. I think I heard on a different site the new SW trains units had issues but I can't recall what they were. Let's hope they don't deteriorate too much before there put into service. Great but sad video, well done Mike 🤓
Thank you Tony.
is it stored (as such) or waiting to go into service, Donnington has had 196 and 197 units in it for a few years now. they are now down to around 10 197 units atm. freightliner come in every few weeks and drag the next one out , i am guessing this will be the same set up. This is what happens when you have got rid of all stabling points and sheds, there is no place to put these apart from places that might also house scrap and stored (ready for scrap) stock
Very interesting. I wonder when the 701s will be out working a full timetable. A disgrace really the money that’s being wasted.
A disgrace, but it keeps the class 455 going.
The good news is, some of the Nova 3's have been debranded, so they're hopefully going to another operator soon.
Yes I believe two or is it three which have been done, but what I don't get is why have they gone back to Longsight now ?
@@antman09ful1 From what I know, they're staying there until their lease with TPE expires in the summer.
Thanks for explaining Theo.
Why are there brand new trains like the 777s being stored at Long Marston? It's unusual!
777s are there because there is not enough room at depots to store them while they train drivers I believe, 701s is training and faults.
Need to be sent up to the northeast , all we got for local commuter trains up here are 35 year old class 156 and 158, although they are a vast improvement over the pacer’s
Mate you are better of with them old class 156s and 158s then these new trains.
Thanks for the interest in my video.
Not a surprise that the 701s are still there, it just proves their unreliability to be taken into service. Also just curious but during your visit at Long Marston, did you happen to see any SWR class 455 and 456s that are kept in storage there? Or have they been scrapped?
It looked like some parts of them on the far side, but I really know what has happened to them.
@@antman09ful1 So you think they've been scrapped?
Those 701’s have just started to come into service. Search for Geoff Marshall who has done a video on them.
I undertook work experience at Long Marston last summer! Was very very interesting and even got to go in some of the 701s! It's a shame though that there's so many 701s still there. As for the Mk5as who knows. Chiltern has been a rumour but then nothing has happened regarding it! Hopefully the 701s get moved on into SWRs fleet soon!
Well regarding the class 701 I think we are looking at another twelve months before you will see many of them in service which is shocking considering some are now over three years old.
Not my thought on the MK 5s is I hope Chiltern does have them but I believe that could be in 2025 at the earliest.
But thank you very much for telling us you had a interesting time at LM last year.
I did go round myself many years back when they let the public in.
@@antman09ful1 I think some 701s are actually hitting their 5th birthdays this year (construction started in late 2018 early 2019) and the fact they're still not in service is absolutely terrible like you said! What is the holdback exactly, I haven't looked hugely into it!
Nevr seen 701s and 777s together in the same picture, nice catch.
Thank you for watching.
The 701s are on the move. Cab issues have been sorted. Starting to enter service on Windsor Line diagrams. Should be on the way to Feltham/Strawberry Hill/ Wimbledon over the next few weeks.
Well I hope you are right Kevin, as we have been told they are coming into service many times.
701s are gonna be taken back soon
They have been saying that many times.
It needs to be noted that storage is not the same as withdrawal, most of these trains will see further use but as many depots may not have the operating space and secure storage, Long Marston can provide that.
Yes we know all that Christopher, but our railways should not be in that situation.
To be honest, the only stock in this video which is actually to be scrapped is the ex TPE mk5 stock set, pretty much all the stock that featured in this video are awaiting transit to start their working life with their respective operators; particularly the 777’s and 701’s that are in this video which account for the majority of the stock featured in the video.
So you know something nobody else knows about the TPE MK 5s, if they are being scrapped why are they being de-branded and going back to Longsight.
Can you please give me and my other followers of my channel more information what to expect after May.
Honestly I feel like the Nova train sets should not even be there, I don't understand why trans Pennine express got rid of their sets. There was a step up in comfort and people actually did like them
Yes I agree with you, I don't think the TOC told us there full reasons why they didn't want to use them.
All this out of use modern stock yet the North still have 40 year old 150/2s to travel on.
Yes but them 150/2 are a good British built unit which will last longer than the new crap being built today.
Can't imagine its doing any good to these units just leaving them out in the elements
Its all not good is it, thank you for your comment.
sums up todays crap railways
Well yes John it does, people are running them who don't know anything about the railways.
Great video Mike, it's such a waste seeing all those new train in storage!
I agree and at the moment nothing is changing.
They will end up like the stored DB Class 60's in Toton whilst the UK railways around the country are still using Donkey year old units, Just imagine the cost of the storage of these units let alone the problems it will cause whilst being in storage, Soon they will be running out of space in Long Marston.
Thanks for your comment and for watching my short video on what's happening at this location.
Interessting video Mike
Thank you Simon.
more stock ready for move to great yarmouth and on to M
exico
No I don't think there are any HSTs there now.
could only happen in Britain
Yes you are right, cheers for watching.
Like 👍beatiuful video, greetings 🚂👍👋
Thank you for having a look at the state of our railways.
It's such a waste to see new trains in storage
Terrible mate.
At least the 379s will be coming out of store. As for the TPE sets they should never have been built in the first place.
Didn't see any 379s there.
@@antman09ful1 No I was just saying in general 😁
What a shameful waste of taxpayers money.
Yes you have a point, cheers for your view on this video.
There owned by rolling stock companies who lease them. Nothing to do with taxpayers.
@bradfordzone5187 These companies are subsidised through our taxes to run the railways though. Privatisation was a joke😮
SWR seems to love wasting money, SWR refurbish class 442, and introduce them back into service, add a new traction package costing an alledged £45m GET SCRAPPED without entering revenue earning service
Amazing that was Graham, but was it there money being wasted.
Seems a ridiculous situation.
But yet shitloads of money from the toc's is going to pay for the storage of their stock.
Now let me work out where.....
Ummm fares?
Michael its all one big mess is our railways, and non of the top brass could give a toss when it come to giving the general public a proper train service.
Thank you for your comment.
Ugh goddamnit
OK Pal.
I wouldn’t worry yourself about it too much. It’s modern rubbish.
Invest your time into the heritage locos we have running while we still can.
ATB jack
I agree with your comment Jack, cheers.
DfT decides what company gets what traction, they don't get to choose themselves. Besides most of these unit types are cheaply built and require a lot of maintenence.
Well the DfT need to rethink how they spend tax payer money.
Omg look at it those TPE going to waste all because people in my town moaning about noise 🙄 whats this world coming to or better still whats the UK now become? Now we're back on the roofs on the 185s
I do like your comment as you made some excellent points.
Good filming but what a waste of money.👍
Thank you David, it wasn't easy in that wind.
What a sad state of affairs in a sad country!!!
Terrible.
All these units lying around all over the network but EMR had everyone booking seats on services to Skegness as they couldn't provide enough seats for everyone to travel who wanted a day at the seaside!!!!!
Paul as you know the railway are a right shambles in this country, was far better when we had BR.
What a waste & we desperately need extra rolling stock 😕
It is at the moment, lets hope things improve during the year.
Incredible waste of money and rescources with most new trains just sat there gradually degrading being exposed to the elements although 701s have started to enter service
I have only seen one 701 mentioned in service Jacob or is there more now.
@@antman09ful1 Not entirely sure but I believe they will start to be rolled in within the next few months. Although that is purely based on the fact of the BR 455, those liverys only come about when the trains are entering their final year. Another example of that is 323221 as now 730s are being pulled in
What a waste of assets. Maybe ownership of trains and each TOC company which runs the trains which it leases off someone else, could in future become one contract or arrangement. Consolidation is needed for the rail industry rather than the current model of fragmentation.
Something needs to change with out railways, its a crazy mess.
Might as well let the immigrants live in them
Not enough space 😊
Fair do's.
Not sure about that Michael, we should be able to tour around the site like I did when they stored the class 86s and 87s there.
Is bad
Yes Neil, thanks for comment.