Difference is, modern trains in the UK arent built to run properly. 37s and many other classic diesels were built to last which is exactly what they did.
Probably more cos the 37 is just the perfect locomotive (and I say that as someone who doesn't get upset at old stuff being replaced when the time comes). Can go basically anywhere (has among the best RA iirc), it's pretty reliable, and enough were built for spares to be common.
I really enjoyed this informative footage. Grateful to you for posting it! The cost of storing all those 701's must be astronomical! I should think that by now, our learned friends are laughing all the way to the bank. Ineptitude really doesn't cover it does it. Some of them are approaching 5 years old and have barely ever turned a wheel. If you want to quantify the failure of the private railway, there it is, sitting uselessly in sidings at Long Marston.
It’s an absolute disgrace the number of units stored. Capacity is desperately needed on the railways & it’s sitting doing nothing. The mk5 sets could be put to use somewhere
The south west units are slowly entering service i thought. Im surprised that chiltern haven't had the mark 5 sets by now. I can see the 350s migrating to long marston once the long distance 730s enter service.
Depending on how many 350s it involves I do wonder if SWR would have been better off waiting and grabbing the 350s, converting them to 450s instead of using the 458s. AFAIK 450s and 458s can't be used together, only perhaps to rescue a failed unit.
I live near Portobello Jct (West Mids) and constantly see brand new units being dragged to Oxley depot then 3-4 hours later being dragged to storage, surely if you have entered into an agreement for new stock the idea is to get it into service asap or am I missing a trick here?
Interesting sights. If that Class 769 is 769008 (ex-319008), I hope that one gets donated to preservation or becomes a member of the LSL fleet as it was one of the two Class 319's that went through the Channel Tunnel and 319008 was named as "Cheriton" as well. As for the Mk5's. Could they be exported aboard with some Class 60's modified for passenger work? Somewhere like Mexico or Uruguay? Converting a Class 60 to passenger work cannot be anymore absurd than Metra converting the EMD SD70MAC's to SD70MACH's for use on passenger trains in West Chicago. Look up the SD70MACH and see what I mean!
Like the HST/91 Sets Royal Mail could have bought some of them 397's along with a few 68's took the seats out and replaced the old and worn out 325's and getting more RM Lorries of the roads but they would rather let all these good working units go to waste such a wasted opportunity 🙄🙄 sorry for the rant there 😆
Problem is RM transport every in Yorks (cages). The Yorks would have to fit in the trains, as RM don't loose transport bags etc. platforms and stations aren't designed for Yorks.
They are all in storage because the lease companies that claim to own them never paid a penny for them. The taxpayer did! Don’t forget the Angel trains etc never ever bought anything as they were formed by ex BR senior managers and got all their stock given to them in the first place. Good old Tory we privatised the railway, nope, they gave it all away for free then allowed these companies then charge the operators a lease fee for trains that were already bought and paid for out of the public purse! Even the brand new stock that is “bought to lease out” is paid for by the tax payer. Hence you get Spanish built stock that Trans Pennine used build in Spain and had major metal fatigue and cracking frames so dangerous they had to be taken out of service. The leasing companies aren’t out of pocket as they never bought them in the first place. Must be good to have mates in government that gift you hundreds of items of rolling stock then let you charge a fortune to other companies to lease it off you. And people wonder why the railways are a total mess!
where is live in west aus we have series 1 trains about 30 years old and series 2 about 15 years but now series 3 coming online with series 1 being sold or rebuilt into series 3 models
Can someone educate me? How come we have units on the rail network doing stirling work at 30+ years old and we have units stored with ages ranging 'fresh out of nappies' and 10 years old? I don't get it. Sincerely though, I DO hope that all these units stored here are returned to traffic.
@@TakumiXD 458534 was redundant to swr duties, it was off lease and the 701s are entering service soon (maybe) so it was decided by swr to get rid of it
Various reasons; the 701s for example have had significant delays introducing them into service, for many reasons. The mk5 sets had such severe delays their lease was cancelled. There’s a few others that are about to be going into service, and that 458 is there as part of a heavy refurbishment program
They are mostly horrible trains and could take a one way trip to Sims Metals. If they are going to spend so much of their time in storage they might as well have got a fleet of steam locomotives and hauled stock to the basic BR Mark 1 specification.
I've noticed that there a Transport for Wales class 197 in fact is there one in the shed to🤔plus am I correct to say the class 769's from Transport for Wales there as well.
Strange how these new units get stored but the good old class 37 still keeps going. They must 60 years old now.
True
Its because the 37s work, the 701s, not so much...
Difference is, modern trains in the UK arent built to run properly. 37s and many other classic diesels were built to last which is exactly what they did.
Probably more cos the 37 is just the perfect locomotive (and I say that as someone who doesn't get upset at old stuff being replaced when the time comes). Can go basically anywhere (has among the best RA iirc), it's pretty reliable, and enough were built for spares to be common.
I really enjoyed this informative footage. Grateful to you for posting it! The cost of storing all those 701's must be astronomical! I should think that by now, our learned friends are laughing all the way to the bank. Ineptitude really doesn't cover it does it. Some of them are approaching 5 years old and have barely ever turned a wheel. If you want to quantify the failure of the private railway, there it is, sitting uselessly in sidings at Long Marston.
Can’t believe the amount of traction that is sat there unbelievable really
Beatiuful video ,greetings from Asturias and good health
Used to deliver here about 10 years ago. There were engines and coaches everywhere. A lot less now.
It’s an absolute disgrace the number of units stored. Capacity is desperately needed on the railways & it’s sitting doing nothing. The mk5 sets could be put to use somewhere
Excellent video as always 👍
I hope that 730/2 leaving is a sign that introduction is imminent
Let's hope some of them are still useful.
Most of them will enter or re-enter service again
@andrewreynolds4949 great news. Thank you for replying.
@@andrewreynolds4949 Good to hear Andrew, thanks.
The south west units are slowly entering service i thought. Im surprised that chiltern haven't had the mark 5 sets by now. I can see the 350s migrating to long marston once the long distance 730s enter service.
Depending on how many 350s it involves I do wonder if SWR would have been better off waiting and grabbing the 350s, converting them to 450s instead of using the 458s. AFAIK 450s and 458s can't be used together, only perhaps to rescue a failed unit.
Rumour is that the unions are not keen on their...... WINDSCREEN WIPERS.
It's understandable that 2nd gen D&EMUs are stored, but those SWR units are more or less brand new, for example.
Cheers for the vid, is that the class 68’s sitting behind the class 701
All 6 in one row, viewable from public footpath on the east side
I live near Portobello Jct (West Mids) and constantly see brand new units being dragged to Oxley depot then 3-4 hours later being dragged to storage, surely if you have entered into an agreement for new stock the idea is to get it into service asap or am I missing a trick here?
There have been issues with training for introduction recently. There’s also that they would want at least a few on hand before introducing a new type
Interesting sights. If that Class 769 is 769008 (ex-319008), I hope that one gets donated to preservation or becomes a member of the LSL fleet as it was one of the two Class 319's that went through the Channel Tunnel and 319008 was named as "Cheriton" as well. As for the Mk5's. Could they be exported aboard with some Class 60's modified for passenger work? Somewhere like Mexico or Uruguay? Converting a Class 60 to passenger work cannot be anymore absurd than Metra converting the EMD SD70MAC's to SD70MACH's for use on passenger trains in West Chicago. Look up the SD70MACH and see what I mean!
It’s likely a UK operator will take the mk5s soon. There’s a number of potential open access operators looking for stock
Like the HST/91 Sets Royal Mail could have bought some of them 397's along with a few 68's took the seats out and replaced the old and worn out 325's and getting more RM Lorries of the roads but they would rather let all these good working units go to waste such a wasted opportunity 🙄🙄 sorry for the rant there 😆
397s? You mean MK5 coaches? Best thing really is not to build new rolling stock in the first place.
Problem is RM transport every in Yorks (cages). The Yorks would have to fit in the trains, as RM don't loose transport bags etc. platforms and stations aren't designed for Yorks.
Word is the RM units ran mostly empty anyway
RM has barely any depots on the rail network anymore hence the investment in Road transport
Dinna be sorry, Laddie!
They are all in storage because the lease companies that claim to own them never paid a penny for them. The taxpayer did!
Don’t forget the Angel trains etc never ever bought anything as they were formed by ex BR senior managers and got all their stock given to them in the first place.
Good old Tory we privatised the railway, nope, they gave it all away for free then allowed these companies then charge the operators a lease fee for trains that were already bought and paid for out of the public purse!
Even the brand new stock that is “bought to lease out” is paid for by the tax payer.
Hence you get Spanish built stock that Trans Pennine used build in Spain and had major metal fatigue and cracking frames so dangerous they had to be taken out of service.
The leasing companies aren’t out of pocket as they never bought them in the first place.
Must be good to have mates in government that gift you hundreds of items of rolling stock then let you charge a fortune to other companies to lease it off you. And people wonder why the railways are a total mess!
That's the Tory way.
@@cabbagepatch8947 The capitalist way. The Tories are gone and this is still happening.
Thats the labour way sausages @@cabbagepatch8947
Where's the best view point for Long Marston?
what3words location is moguls.scrubber.download
would not be suprised if they start filling Donnington again with units as we are down to about 3 x 197s there now
where is live in west aus we have series 1 trains about 30 years old and series 2 about 15 years but now series 3 coming online with series 1 being sold or rebuilt into series 3 models
Can someone educate me?
How come we have units on the rail network doing stirling work at 30+ years old and we have units stored with ages ranging 'fresh out of nappies' and 10 years old? I don't get it.
Sincerely though, I DO hope that all these units stored here are returned to traffic.
Some have never been in traffic
The Class 37 loco in the vid is at least 60 years old 😂
Many of those in this video are about to go into traffic
@@andrewreynolds4949 That is good news.
looking at this where are the class 68s gone then
I’ll show you that over the next couple of days 😜
Are those unbranded 397s? What is happening to them
Not 397s,those are mk5As that were used with TPE until they got rid of the 68+Mk5 sets back in December.
Lovely shots and just wondering do u know when u start getting paid on yt
It depends if you meet the necessary criteria - Have a read through the TH-cam monetisation policies.
@@trainsplanesok thank you
What a waste of money, all sat there doing nothing.
INR , unbelievable 🙄😞
Financial smoke and mirror's.
Leasing companies seem to be able to make money with this modus operedi.
Why is Class 458534 in storage?
Porterbrook are hoping that someone will take it but it’s looking very likely that it will just get sent to scrap soon
@@protrainspotting7868Why don’t they just convert it into the /4 instead?
@@TakumiXD 458534 was redundant to swr duties, it was off lease and the 701s are entering service soon (maybe) so it was decided by swr to get rid of it
Renationalise the Railways chase the hedge fund owners out of the Uk
Why isn't this rolling stock being used??
Various reasons; the 701s for example have had significant delays introducing them into service, for many reasons. The mk5 sets had such severe delays their lease was cancelled. There’s a few others that are about to be going into service, and that 458 is there as part of a heavy refurbishment program
They are mostly horrible trains and could take a one way trip to Sims Metals. If they are going to spend so much of their time in storage they might as well have got a fleet of steam locomotives and hauled stock to the basic BR Mark 1 specification.
How long until the Mark 5s go for scrap . Waste of money for TPE and didn't even last that long in service. Shoddy design I guess.
You'd think they could do _something_ with them...
I've noticed that there a Transport for Wales class 197 in fact is there one in the shed to🤔plus am I correct to say the class 769's from Transport for Wales there as well.
The Mk5s could used by Chilton to replace the crappy 168 dmu's we have to put up with
More likely the elderly mark 3 sets @@damiendye6623
It’s likely someone will grab the mk5s soon, either Chiltern or open access
all these train operators taking all the million pound rolling stock for granted is just so bad
These trains are owned by leasing companies do doesn't matter about operators. It's these leasing companies that have made poor choices
No surprises in this country to be honest
The money they've wasted on trains could of been spent fixing all our roads instead absolutely scandalous
458534 is pending scrap if I’m right