Everything Wrong With CinemaSins: How To Train Your Dragon
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- I know films like Prince of Egypt, Shrek, and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish are all great, but How To Train Your Dragon is my personal favorite DreamWorks movie. I'm not sure why it took me this long to do it, but we're finally tackling it! CinemaSins has some pretty dumb critiques in this video, just be warned.
Disclaimer: I don't have much ill will towards CinemaSins, I just want to point out the many mistakes they've made in their videos.
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"Astrid is kind of a dick"
Yeah, and that's the point. It's called a character arc. Queen Astrid later grows to have a strong kinship with Hiccup and eventually marry him.
and you're not wrong, she's a queen! a badass one!
@@laraprisma6381 I am happy you noticed that. She is rather underrated as animated characters go.
@@AmishParadise27 she is!! I love her! One of my favorite characters!!
@@laraprisma6381 I especially like her in the series and the second movie.
@@AmishParadise27 same!!
By Jeremy's "LoGiC cIrCuItS", the first 2 seasons of Lego Ninjago, & the original Star Wars Trilogy, are basically the same story, *_ALL just because_* the heroic son has to face his corrupted by evil, black armor clad, father!!
Joseph Campbell called it the monomyth for a reason. It means One Story
Yeah but what if he waggled his finger at you and said “nuh uh”? What then?
I mean, the creator of Ninjago is a pretty huge Star Wars fan so that might've been intentional
Also season 8 and 9 of ninjago
3:16, Assuming loyalty to the books, Stoick knew that was going to happen ever since the Naming Dame named his son Hiccup and even though Viking law required him to abandon his son in that situation “only the strong can belong”, Stoick (and his wife Valhallarama) consciously chose to keep Hiccup and keep him in the dark about why he got his name.
What so many people miss about Hiccup bringing Toothless into the village is that even though the hook on the saddle was bent shut, thus preventing Hiccup from removing himself from the saddle, this doesn't prevent him from removing the SADDLE from Toothless. Cinema Sins missed that too though.
Also, I do agree with the point that even though Hiccup's assumptions about the dragon nip, chin scratching spot, and other such dragon handling tricks DID work on other dragons, that doesn't excuse the danger that he put himself in when he didn't have any level of certainty. He didn't KNOW before he tried it that it would work, so he still was, with the knowledge he had, putting himself in further danger with those assumptions. Whether or not it worked doesn't change the fact that Hiccup was putting his life on the line trying to find out. That's one of the few things that Cinema Sins did get right, at least slightly. Same applies to the thing about Toothless' tail.
Also what you didn't mention at the end is that this guy had no actual citations or evidence at the end to be able to prove that HTTYD dragons actually live for 1000s of years. He pulled that out of his rear, and you didn't call him out on it. In fact I can name at least one dragon in the series that started losing proper function, entering the weakness of old age, at the age of 60. Admittedly they also said that the aforementioned dragon only ever lays one egg in its lifetime, which would render that species extinct easily. But that small slip-up doesn't make all other info about it false. It starts its decline of function at 60. HTTYD dragons also are extremely commonplace. They're everywhere. That means they'll have a strong influence on their ecosystem, so if they were to live that long and be so common, their population would spike, they'd dry up their food supply, and most of them would starve. So no, they almost certainly do NOT live that long.
He also counts the intro logos as part of the movie, which they really aren't.
Also, Stoick was NOT thinking "Hiccup is not my son" at all until he said it in that moment. He's a bad father, but he still cared about Hiccup. He was just frustrated by Hiccup being so different, so he had a hard time showing it. There was also the pain and bitterness of Hiccup being so much like Valka, who Stoick thought was dead. AND Stoick stumbles back after leaving the great hall, clearly feeling like he's been punched, so obviously he didn't mean what he said. He still loves Hiccup. You were right in what you said against Cinema Sins, but you missed all this.
Aside from these small things, I believe you did an excellent job tearing Cinema Sin's video apart. Very much enjoyed.
P.S. HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THE DISAPPEARING BRANCH WITH HOW MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE?! I can't believe I missed that. I am genuinely upset with myself.
13:57, yes. Hiccup died of old age when Toothless was still a baby. (In the books, at least.)
BRO YOU HAVE 99 COMMENTS POSTED
@@wildraheim4302 Is that bad?
@@matityaloran9157 well, yeah. next time if you want to comment a lot of things try compiling it into one, long, comment!
@@wildraheim4302 That wouldn’t make sense because then there would be too great a chance of forgetting what I wanted to comment
@@matityaloran9157 well, it's better than making 1000 comments on one video, leaving everything people see to just be you.
out of all the sins, him not paying attention to the movie and criticizing it loads of times is definitely the most annoying ones
2:54, “nothing is impossible. Only improbable.” Cressida Cowell, How To Cheat a Dragon’s Curse
12:38, it’s because dragons enjoy playing with their food. The real sin is omitting the part of the book which established that.
7:19, Astrid is loosely based on Camicazi from the books and she comes from a rival tribe called the Bog-Burglars so when she and Hiccup first met in How To Speak Dragonese, she regarded him as his enemy (not helped by the fact she mistook him for a Roman spy.) But if we ignore the books, she’s insinuating his incompetence is an asset to the enemy.
2:52 also, it’s implied that everyone is used to him trying crazy schemes like this. If he tries and tries, EVENTUALLY he was bound to get a lucky shot. Of course the story starts on the night of this lucky shot, because all his failed attempts would be pretty boring.
9:46 It’s a ceremony Jackass. They want the whole town to be there. There’s going to be a party. That’s gonna take time to set up.
3:39, Hiccup should be counting his lucky stars that he doesn’t have the same backstory as in the book
6:36, in the book How To Train Your Dragon by Cressida Cowell, Hiccup goes to the book titled “How To Train Your Dragon” to find out how to train dragons and it consists entirely of the phrase “Yell at ‘em (the louder the better.) The end.” So the book Gobber sends Hiccup to being useless (hence Hiccup having to rewrite as the book that we the readers read) is actually book accurate.
11:17, true. And that deserves taking a sin off for being a rare instance where the movie is consistent with something from the books Stoick is “a good man but he never listens” (How To Ride a Dragon’s Storm)
3:19, there has and the first was not actually Hiccup. Assuming loyalty to the books, they’ve had enough of an issue with this happening that Berk has a law requiring the banishment of kids who fail to train as warriors because “only the strong can belong”.
6:30, sinning a movie based on a book about the necessity and utility of books for emphasizing the necessity and utility of books.
7:41, also, dragons are smart. Intelligent animals can understand (some) human gestures.
4:25, okay but that part of the worldbuilding works better for me in the books. (He’s named Hiccup because Hiccup means accident and since birth he was destined to be a hiccup in everyone else’s plans including Excelinor the Witch’s plan to make her son Alvin the king of the Wilderwest.)
Regarding Hiccups small statue, his mom literally said in the second movie that he "came early into this world", whether that means a premature birth, a birth during the winter where food and warmth is lacking, or both. Since it would only be logical that vikings during that time in these conditions would schedule their parental plans to have kids during springtime, just like most animals
I started interpreting the reason Hiccup lost his leg as Toothless having to catch Hiccup BY HIS LEG when he was falling and shielding him immediately after
Another great video. A few things I want to say are that after you mentioned that you used to think CinemaSins' dumbest sin was in their LEGO Movie video and now found a new dumbest sin in this one, I wonder if you could bring back Jay Exci's Dumbest Sin Ever Award. Also, to add onto your point for Sin 134, there actually was an episode in Dragons: Defenders of Berk called The Eel Effect so we see what happens when eels harm dragons. And lastly, for your sentence, yeah, that probably was forshadowing Toothless killing Stoick in the second movie after almost nearly doing it in the first movie...
14:01 No-where is it established how long dragons live for in this universe, it could be hundreds of years, it could be thousands. Even if the third film didn't happen, its likely that that Hiccup, being the chief's son, would have children whom Toothless would befriend and have keep him company even after Hiccup dies. Think about it in a reverse Dog situation, when someones dog dies, its not like the owner is just permanently depressed for the rest of eternity, they'll be sad for some time, maybe a few years, but they still have other people in their lives that they care about as well.
11:53, believe it or not, that’s explained in the fifth book How To Twist a Dragon’s Tale. Stoick created the council (called the Thing) so that the relatively civilized tribes of Barbaria can have some semblance of democracy but each chief still commands his own people (except Bertha who commands her own people.)
2:17, okay but I remember the book characters were named Hiccup, Fishlegs, Snotface Snotlout, Dogsbreath the Dubbrain, Clueless, Wartihog and Tuffnut Junior. (There’s another one introduced in the sequels whose name I don’t remember.)
The fact that Jermy sinned this beautiful movie is a sin. Sure it has some flaws here and there (what movie doesn't?) But this movie is without a doubt in the top teir of dreamworks movies!
9:40, Cressida Cowell has said that this sequence is her favourite in any movie and that the scene was way better than the Toruk Macto scene in James Cameron’s Avatar.
14:09, if CinemaSins made this video after 2015 then it was always an answerable claim because the books also end with Hiccup sending the dragons away for their own safety but it’s still seen as a tragedy because it’s why we don’t have dragons anymore now
3:51, this movie doesn’t take place in Scotland. It takes place in the Island of Berk
Its located near iceland
@@eisflamme2438 And a bunch of islands that don’t really exist also
@@matityaloran9157
Yes, the Atoll. There used to be an interactive map for it, but after the third movie they took it down, then a guy made his own.
12:51, really big spoilers, in the books Snotlout dies after being blasted off a riding dragon and sinking into the open ocean so a main character can drown in this.
HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON!!!!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!!!! AMAZING SCORE!!!!! HICCUP AND TOOTHLESS!!!!!!
14:26, could be. Or it could be an Easter Egg to How To Break a Dragon’s heart where Hiccup’s ancestor Hiccup the Second commanded his dragon Furious not to kill Hiccup the Second’s father Grimbeard the Ghastly after Grimbeard mortally wounded Hiccup the Second to prove to Grimbeard that dragons are not really the enemy.
No, they originally planned only one movie, so no foreshadowing.
@@eisflamme2438 Then it probably was an Easter Egg to the books
9:54, I know that’s a rhetorical question but he’s obviously not paying attention
10:14, if it’s a discount anything, it’s a discount Green Death. Since in the book, the Green Death is more of a character than a monster whereas this dragon is more just a monster. There are some things that the movie does better than the book but this isn’t one of them.
Yeah, movievred death would run from book red death and green death. They can use telepathy. And speak. And are bigger.
@@eisflamme2438 Definitely
@Captain Vader, great video. (Also, if he wanted to sin this amazing movie then he should have talked to a fan of the books since as good as it is (and it is quite good), this isn’t a faithful adaptation.)
to mention something from the original video (not a direct quote but the gist of what they said) "how do they learn to fly the dragons so fast, hiccup took so long" Hiccup had to learn how to fly toothless by switching positions of a false tail bit since toothless lost his;toothless cannot fly without hiccup. The other dragons didn't need this, and can fly fine on their own, hence why the gang only needs to steer and talk to them to fly..
Wow. Good point. I've always thought that was weird, but I never considered this. Now I wish I could've mentioned that
Hiccup not brave?
Lets a light Fury go?
Ride a dragon?
14:25 I never thought of that until now, foreshadowing the 2nd movie.
9:33, if Fishlegs (as portrayed in the books) or the nano dragon Ziggerastica were included in the movie then everything CinemaSins says about luck would be redundant since they constantly point it out
Did Jeremy really start the video off criticizing the people staying in a land that is dangerous because of the natural elements is it. While living in America. America that has places like tornado Alley and Florida with people living in it and refusing to leave. It's he serious. He's going to question the stubbornness of the people of Burg....
And that's not even to mention the reputation that Australia has. Being practically death in land form and somehow crazy people live there lol
Also the shootings in america, the poisen in the food, the insane costs for basic health care, ect.ect.
12:15, if he really wants to have sins like that then you should really read the books. They’re set in a time when “men were men and women were sort of men too and even little babies had chest hairs” (A Hero’s Guide to Deadly Dragons)
5:01, actually, that can happen in real life.
"Cat adorability is a trait i cant belive they evolved alongside claws, fangs and other killer stuff"
Yeah, makes no sense.
6:59, agreed. Honestly, he should have suspended his “the books don’t matter rule” like he did for Ender’s Game since then he’d actually have things to criticize this really good movie for.
Another nice video, and one thing I find funny/ironic about your description is that the first DreamWorks movie that I did a video on was Shrek 2 (aka my favorite Dreamworks movie), and that was uploaded four months after I started sinning CinemaSins.
On that eel pock thing: if you have to look it up, the movie isn't doing its job. That could've been explained in this movie or explained in the sequels. But this movie didn't want to explain and wanted the audience to draw their own conclusions. Either way, I am criticizing you for including a third party into your criticisms.
Ok, but at least it's not a major plot point. Before I knew it was eel pox, I always assumed dragons simply don't like the taste of eels, and that's a fine assumption to have. If an audience member really wants to know, they can Google it, but it's not required to understand the movie. It's not like Rise of Skywalker, where Palpatine coming back is a MAJOR plot point that should've been elaborated on
Missed SinSins
2:20 Dragons are just a part of daily their lives, but things like trolls are obviously rarer occurrences, which is why they're note-worthy. Also, nearly all cultures believe that names hold power.
6:28 The book was stated to contain all information the vikings knew about dragons. It was never once stated to be a problem solver, nor is it ever used as such. Rather, it's information on different dragon species.
8:00 Even without the way eels effect dragons, many animals use color patterns to warn that they're venomous and such. Heck, some harmless animals even imitate this. Note the color pattern of the eel. And why wouldn't a dragon be repelled by a creature it clearly doesn't like?
8:10 That's why he has that big pile of fish, to distract Toothless while he attaches the tail-fin.
8:24 That is Dragon Nip, and as the name suggests, it's the equivalent to cat nip for dragons.
8:48 Is scratching behind the ears not universal for all dogs, heck, even cats, or other animals. This is obviously a sensitive spot for dragons.
9:13 Astrid is literally shown having followed Hiccup to his hiding spot later.
9:27 This is hardly luck. Hiccup and toothless both struggle to get him back on, and it's pretty close call.
9:31 This movie, that movie.
9:41 This was dragon training. The actual killing of the dragon is an honorary ritual for the whole village to witness, kind of like graduation.
11:23 Was Jeremy implying that Stoick's wife cheated on him and Hiccup isn't his son? Because this was clearly just Stoick disowning him, and we see the emotional impact this has on him a few seconds later when he realizes what he did.
11:33 Stoick is the chief, what he says goes. The council is meant for deliberation so Stoick can get additional input and hear his people, that's what a good leader does, but he still has the final say. Before, they were just searching blindly, and there were other matters that needed to addressing other than potentially wasting time on another likely futile search, so holding a council then made sense, but they now have a way to find the dragons' nest.
12:34 Dragons have a limited number of shots. It's actually surprising that the Red Death WOULD waste one on a single tiny human.
13:45 Jeremy doesn't understand poetic irony.
13:54 Lots of animals end up outliving their human owners and vice versa, it's the result of having different lifespans. Also, when was it ever stated that dragons live for hundreds or thousands of years? They likely have the lifespans of normal large animals, so probably 30-60 years.
If he dares sin a Don Bluth film
No, this was not foreshadowing, only one film was planned. But after it was so sucessful, they made another one.
It wasn't meant to be entirely literal
The fact that you diss CinematicSins so good is just satisfying (especially because it's my favorite franchise) and because I have an unhealthy obsession with httyd I have a little bit to say :D
- 8:06 I would have first thought about not giving him a sin for that but after a short thought that sin IS justified!
In the TV series Defenders/Riders of Berk (not the netflix series Race to the Edge) the eels getting Toothless sick had an entire episode dedicated to that. I wouldn't expect a normal person to know or google why dragons are afraid of eels while watching the movie. But since he MADE a video about it, which means he could have just researched it makes it a sin.
But the question itself is as justified as it is useless if you literally only watch the movies. Eels are literally never brought up again besides the series and there only because they fight against hunters and there're dragon species that eat eels.
So I would actually give 2 sins for that! 1. It's literally not THAT important for the movies to give the little funfact a sin 2. He could have googled it
- 9:27 You could have said it's luck but it's a popular believe that Hiccup IS strong enough to pull himself back into the saddle, since he has been working as blacksmith for years.
(In the netflix series Race to the edge that plays about 3 to 4 years after this movie, Hiccup punches Snotloud with his non-dominant hand and knocking out three of his teeth so it's not that far fetched to believe he's strong enough to pull himself back on to Toothless. It's also not that far fetched to believe that Toothless didn't want to die and tried to turn his back to Hiccup.)
1. So it's not luck 2. Even if it was luck it's not entirely unbelieveable
Again 2 sins!
+ also COMPLETELY ignoring the perfection that is the entire Test Drive scene is at least a 100 sins from me! 😠
- 12:58 Tbh if he had watched the TV series I could almost understand why he asks that, since there is a scene were Toothless literally breaks free to save an electroduces drowning Hiccup. Also in that context he could have questioned why Toothless couldn't escape the little cove when he first was shut down but he could when the Nightmare was about to kill Hiccup. I mean for both I have a list of explanations but that's besides the point I'm trying to make.
- 12:45 It's popular belief that Toothless had to rip off Hiccup's leg to safe him so, yes it is symbolism but it makes SENSE at least it makes more sense than whatever comes out of that guys mouth T-T
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6:27 I can not put into words HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU FOR THIS XDDD
I'm now gonna watch the video to the second httyd movie since it's getting recomended to me rn lol
I do not think it was ever officially stated, but I always thought that Berk was somewhere in Scandinavia and not Scotland since that was generally where the vikings were in real life.
Also will you be covering the other two films in the franchise?
Yep. It's on the schedule
@@captainvader921 In that case, it's nice that we're both currently doing videos on a DreamWorks franchise with three movies.
In the books, it’s an island in the barbarian archipelago also known as Barbaria and is one of several islands separated by water from the Uglithug mainland. Though they’re still north of the Roman Empire and East of America (both of which feature in the books.)
Berk is located north of Scotland, between, Iceland, Greenland and Scandinavia. Hiccup says this in the movie "located solidly on the meridian of misery" and this is confirmed by the many maps in the franchise.
I finished my HTTYD AMV y3sterday and now i find this on my for you page. The youtube algorithm spys on me XD
nice just subed
CinemaSins is literally wrong about almost everything here.
"No movie is without sin" implies that every movie has at least one sin.
Not that they all have to have at least 200... Nor that you have to invent 150 just to make sure you get to that number. Does a particular movie you want to review have so few sins that it wouldn't be worth making a full-length video about it? Stick two or three or ten inside of one single video to fill the time. Everyone who actually cares about the basic premise of what you're doing and cares about honesty will thank you for recognizing that these movies are so well-made, you can only find 5 sins in each.
When I first come cross his videos I thought he was funny and I didn't really I think about his points that he making about the movies. Anybody else?
I hope you know that this guy has a second channel called CinemaWins (as you could guess it’s the opposite of CinemaSins) where he also did httyd, and gave it more wins than he gave it sins
Also how did you manage to give him more sins than he gave the movie?
CinemaWins is a completely different channel with a different narrator. And I added 100 sins at one point
Cinema sins is actually the dumbest movie ‘critic’ ever