Pretty sure the twins adjusted the CP inflation for DA, after 2nd mastery Blaster burst gaps DA's burst, the DPM on DA also isn't even better if you remove the %HP soul cheese since you lose it if you die, and DA"s be dying a lot if they play 29fz+RFS lol
"Aran is like nightlord, no offburst and insane burst" Aran is literally a dpm class which got a buff on their burst in 2nd mastery, the dpm didnt get any weaker, in fact it got passively increased in 2nd mastery as well lol. Thats just misinformation
Yeah, that comparison was probably not the best given the dpm is better than nl by a decent margin. But, saying Aran is purely a DPM class is also off. It still pretty burst heavy of a class.
@@Central-se7ez I mean it seems okay in solo. but does its support + its mediocre damage carry its weight in parties over choosing another dps or another support? probably not. Thats the flaw in this game, people will always go with the better options in support classes for making parties.
@@c8met Mihile is not considered a support class at all, not even by mihiles. Mihile has average to slightly below average damage. It definitely is not as weak as you made it sound in this video. You also have to consider that it isn't dodging and running away since it has i frame with 80% uptime, so it spends a lot more time hitting the boss than arguably all other classes. Mihile also benefits alot from attack speed in GMS..
The tier list is wrong. TB should never be higher than Mihile. The class rebalance patch in late milestone patch will put mihile at least one tier higher.
peak Evan culvert in Heroic w/ maxed hexa, finished and minmaxed gear, and cont -> ror4 -> rt on Freud 6th is estimated to be ~80k by the Evan discord. In general Evan has decent DPM in KMS with high CD hat and better cont ring (bc no boss fams so higher cont value, and lower RoR value in reg server in general; in Heroic 4 way ring swapping is ~4FD higher on full rotation vs cont camp). However in GMS, because of these reasons + Evan having nothing server delayable besides AB link and the buff from Barrage, Evan's DPM in GMS, especially in Heroic, is a lot more mid (relative to other classes) than would be expected (approx 17%-20% FD below NW on full rotation, whereas in KMS Evan is essentially equal to NW on full rotation). And burst is bottom 5 LOL
@@c8met simple changes such as buffing Radiance line damage and making return flash’s FD buff apply to all damage, not just magic damage, would make the class very good. Just holding for some good overall class balance changes soon 🙏🏼 but who knows Evan FP DA etc might continue to be KMS perception victims
Hard to say really, the most impactful things would probably be Valhalla or Advanced Final Attack, though those wouldn't be enough on their own. They could do something like Puncture and increase the debuff to something more substantial. They could go really out of left field and give Hexa Combo or Enrage for more fd%, but that seems unlikely. Could even be something like dawn warrior where the new mastery gives them a new skill entirely.
@@cavin5226 it's a double edged sword, it also means they can max their theoretical damage quickly compared to classes with many skills. It all depends on the % given by nexon
Yea it's pretty mid. Reg server can be over represented because of scrolling/pet equips/bonus pot etc. Also, dojo isn't the best way to represent if a class is strong or not.
Lumi should be in the needs buffs tier. Their burst is shit and their dpm isn't great either. If they can't hit the boss they can't charge their gauge either and their instant charge button doesn't give them extended equilbrium so it is basically useless.
@@sillverice1212 nah thats just you dooming a little too much respectfully lol. You're definitely right about their burst being bad but the dpm is not as bad as youre making it out to be. And to be in a tier with lara, phantom, and wind archer would not be justified at all when the distribution isn't as bad as those classes.
@@c8met their dpm isnt bad, but in practice, in party setting, you are sitting there doing no dmg while waiting for next burst with Bishop due to gauge. At times, if party is holding dmg, you cant even stack lib orbs up to max stacks. This gauge thing is way way worse than people think, they will never know until they actually experience it.
I think Mihile should be higher. It's not as weak as you guys make it sound. You're also forgetting that mihile keeps attacking while other classes have to keep dodging boss attacks. Mihile benefits a lot from attack speed in GMS. It's also one of the best solo bossers in the game. Mihile is DEFINITELY atleast on the same tier as dark knight.
one of the best solo bossers in the game is cap. Yea, I can agree that its not as bad as we made it out to be but its definitely not strong. I can see it possibly being top of below average but I do not think this class is decent whatsoever because it is simply not needed in a party.
@@c8met It's not strong or weak, it's just average. It does very similar damage output to classes like Dark Knight and Dawn Warrior. For some reason you're putting it in the below average category when it's actually average. Now consider the fact that with Average damage, mihile is hitting the boss more often than every other class, that means mihile's damage in GMS is actually pretty good. Just not amazing or "Strong".... Other classes use their burst and hit whenever they are able to, mihile can hit the boss pretty much the entire fight.. so although it's the "Burst Meta".. Mihile damage is more spread out throughout the entire boss fight........ So basically.. it's Still not nearly as bad as you're Still making it sound...... It's just Average.. that's it.. Average.. and it also gives 5% FD To each party member, and can help you survive if needed by blocking many attacks and giving HP Shield.. While providing average damage with high uptime.. If you compare mihile damage to other classes its actually very close but those other classes hit the boss less often.. so the gap becomes minimal or even non existent....pretty simple. Unless you compare it to OP classes of course... Mihile can do just fine in a party ...
@@anthonycastellanos7088 mihile is good where it is at. Not a very good class at all. It does not matter how many times it hit the boss when you ain’t doing dmg to it. Poor dps and poor burst however I would say it’s an easy class to play but that pretty much it.
@@Central-se7ez that 1 mihile over thousands… while picking an A tier class or S tier would of been the same thing easier to do as well 🤦♂️ so your statement still proves me right
I cry about the state of f/p.. consisently weak. Bad damage for a class with basically zero survivability. Turns out using BA on the doujin dummy isnt the best way to measure the strength of a class.☠️
@@zeiadnreda5688 Yeah, I feel it... I forgot to mention this too, but if the boss moves around or is too small(like an example would be seren), it is not too great on fp since nova and fury are basically summon attacks that can miss a boss if it moves. For survivability, I don't think fp needs better survivability. Tp is broken and provides more control to your character than a flash jump class. Nonetheless, the full rotation is pretty mid and class definitely needs buffs. And a big issue too is that fp suffers from not having enough cd reduction in reboot compared to reg servers.
one thing about demon avenger is a “shadow nerf” of their frenzy skill, no one in GMS plays demon avenger and the one playing it are egotistic ones that are bad with the game so they don’t know anything better originally the reward you get from playing 29 frenzy is extra 30% FD, yeah, now, it is 20%, and continuous ring is really awful in comparison to ring of restraint, you will never know why wouldn’t nexon make oz rings all final damage% instead of att% and boss damage%, even with final damage%, a dpm class using continuous ring of lets say, 30%FD, will always get out-classed by burst class that fit the entire burst inside a 100%FD ring of restraint, it is just how it is
*update* it is in kms patch 1.2.368, which is ignition, if not mistaken, back in year 2022, the demonic frenzy final damage increase at maximum value was NERFED from 35%, to 20%, let this fact sink in so from 2023 to 2024, for more than two years, demon avenger is and always was a high risk mid reward class, boy these arrogant ignorant DAs really pulled some tricky misinformation campaign on all of us, now I will say not only do I strongly recommend against choosing demon avenger as your main, I will also strongly recommend you to diss on those big mouth nothing knowing demon avenger veterans in Kronos
DA is given way too much credit, don’t let their egotistic frenzy ruin force shield propaganda scares you all, that is nothing but their scandalous lie/cope, let me, a humble nobody, ask you a real question, where are the VODs showcasing a 29 frenzy ruin force shield DA out-classing people, where are them DAs, stupidgameu, executizer, or saga’s 30fz, or anyone else, where nope, you see VODs coming from real strong/OP class, the trio of xenon mercedes night walker, they are backed by real data and real VODs, where is DA’s proof of data, where is the equivalent proof of FD stacking of DA 29 frenzy ruin force shield it is time to stop these egotistic DAs from spreading false information, for way too long they threatens the community with fear and ego, they are not backed by real VODs and BAs, all they knew were fear mongering using KMS DA, and clearly GMS reboot DA is not the same as KMS reg DA until proven otherwise by these DAs, demon avenger IS a high risk mid reward class, bad class, I strongly recommend everyone not to play this class as main
A quality discussion from some gigachads of MS I’m here for it
Wind Archer 👋🐸 Ignition was not enough and a half baked revamp by Nexon
tier list enjoyers rejoice!
I quit maple for a long while but its great to see people rank my main Bam high
finally a group of listers that don't put TB in bottom 3 kudos 👍
TB is in a good spot
How do i kick the kaiser of my party? its my friend but i want that nkalos clear
Just kick him, he’ll understand. Everyone knows Kaiser is trash except a few delusional mains
man Kaiser really need a revamp , it just hurt how every class out power him by time if they keep him like this in 2 years will in very bottom
Pretty sure the twins adjusted the CP inflation for DA, after 2nd mastery Blaster burst gaps DA's burst, the DPM on DA also isn't even better if you remove the %HP soul cheese since you lose it if you die, and DA"s be dying a lot if they play 29fz+RFS lol
@@CDLightt agreed LOL
Any way we can get a solo bossing tier list for 260+?
Big fan of
"Aran is like nightlord, no offburst and insane burst" Aran is literally a dpm class which got a buff on their burst in 2nd mastery, the dpm didnt get any weaker, in fact it got passively increased in 2nd mastery as well lol. Thats just misinformation
Yeah, that comparison was probably not the best given the dpm is better than nl by a decent margin. But, saying Aran is purely a DPM class is also off. It still pretty burst heavy of a class.
I've asked Aran mains whether they're dpm and everyone agrees they're a hybrid with close to 50/50 split.
Good list and good reasoning! subbed!
Is Mihile really that weak? The twins showcase with Arcah was pretty impressive
@@Central-se7ez I mean it seems okay in solo. but does its support + its mediocre damage carry its weight in parties over choosing another dps or another support? probably not. Thats the flaw in this game, people will always go with the better options in support classes for making parties.
Mihile isn't as weak as they make it sound here. 😂..
@@c8met Mihile is not considered a support class at all, not even by mihiles. Mihile has average to slightly below average damage. It definitely is not as weak as you made it sound in this video. You also have to consider that it isn't dodging and running away since it has i frame with 80% uptime, so it spends a lot more time hitting the boss than arguably all other classes. Mihile also benefits alot from attack speed in GMS..
The tier list is wrong. TB should never be higher than Mihile.
The class rebalance patch in late milestone patch will put mihile at least one tier higher.
@@mercstory oh no, one class might be out of place..... so.... whole tier list is wrong! yup
well hopefully compass realty gets looked at .. prayer for mr germans family.
peak Evan culvert in Heroic w/ maxed hexa, finished and minmaxed gear, and cont -> ror4 -> rt on Freud 6th is estimated to be ~80k by the Evan discord.
In general Evan has decent DPM in KMS with high CD hat and better cont ring (bc no boss fams so higher cont value, and lower RoR value in reg server in general; in Heroic 4 way ring swapping is ~4FD higher on full rotation vs cont camp).
However in GMS, because of these reasons + Evan having nothing server delayable besides AB link and the buff from Barrage, Evan's DPM in GMS, especially in Heroic, is a lot more mid (relative to other classes) than would be expected (approx 17%-20% FD below NW on full rotation, whereas in KMS Evan is essentially equal to NW on full rotation).
And burst is bottom 5 LOL
damn so what im hearing is that even gets the same amount of fd from swapping to NW as they do from swapping to 9 set pitch lol
@@nmtiger yeah evan sucks lol
@@c8met simple changes such as buffing Radiance line damage and making return flash’s FD buff apply to all damage, not just magic damage, would make the class very good.
Just holding for some good overall class balance changes soon 🙏🏼 but who knows Evan FP DA etc might continue to be KMS perception victims
@@nmtiger I'm ngl, after playing this dogshit game for so long, simple changes just either don't come or take too long to come.
@@nmtiger
Hero main here. What other mastery can they give hero? Valhalla and another random mastery and just keep passively boosting RB?
Hard to say really, the most impactful things would probably be Valhalla or Advanced Final Attack, though those wouldn't be enough on their own. They could do something like Puncture and increase the debuff to something more substantial. They could go really out of left field and give Hexa Combo or Enrage for more fd%, but that seems unlikely. Could even be something like dawn warrior where the new mastery gives them a new skill entirely.
@UltimaSteele hopefully.... cause hero is a very simple class so there isn't much to boost giving it a disadvantage in terms of 6th job mastery cores.
@@cavin5226 it's a double edged sword, it also means they can max their theoretical damage quickly compared to classes with many skills. It all depends on the % given by nexon
@@anonymousl5150 I rather cap early cause eventually nexon will increase lines or increase cap. only a matter of time.
@@cavin5226 Nexon doesnt make changes fast
What? Buccaneer is bad in reboot?
There are 2 buccs doing F94 and F95
One in Luna one in Scania 😂
Yea it's pretty mid. Reg server can be over represented because of scrolling/pet equips/bonus pot etc. Also, dojo isn't the best way to represent if a class is strong or not.
Lumi should be in the needs buffs tier. Their burst is shit and their dpm isn't great either. If they can't hit the boss they can't charge their gauge either and their instant charge button doesn't give them extended equilbrium so it is basically useless.
@@sillverice1212 nah thats just you dooming a little too much respectfully lol. You're definitely right about their burst being bad but the dpm is not as bad as youre making it out to be. And to be in a tier with lara, phantom, and wind archer would not be justified at all when the distribution isn't as bad as those classes.
@@c8met their dpm isnt bad, but in practice, in party setting, you are sitting there doing no dmg while waiting for next burst with Bishop due to gauge. At times, if party is holding dmg, you cant even stack lib orbs up to max stacks. This gauge thing is way way worse than people think, they will never know until they actually experience it.
@@jaehwang9674 yea im aware. still does not belong with the bottom as I said before.
As a DW main I endorse the messege that True Sight is busted 👍🏻
W comms
I think Mihile should be higher. It's not as weak as you guys make it sound. You're also forgetting that mihile keeps attacking while other classes have to keep dodging boss attacks. Mihile benefits a lot from attack speed in GMS. It's also one of the best solo bossers in the game. Mihile is DEFINITELY atleast on the same tier as dark knight.
one of the best solo bossers in the game is cap. Yea, I can agree that its not as bad as we made it out to be but its definitely not strong. I can see it possibly being top of below average but I do not think this class is decent whatsoever because it is simply not needed in a party.
@@c8met It's not strong or weak, it's just average. It does very similar damage output to classes like Dark Knight and Dawn Warrior. For some reason you're putting it in the below average category when it's actually average. Now consider the fact that with Average damage, mihile is hitting the boss more often than every other class, that means mihile's damage in GMS is actually pretty good. Just not amazing or "Strong".... Other classes use their burst and hit whenever they are able to, mihile can hit the boss pretty much the entire fight.. so although it's the "Burst Meta".. Mihile damage is more spread out throughout the entire boss fight........ So basically.. it's Still not nearly as bad as you're Still making it sound...... It's just Average.. that's it.. Average.. and it also gives 5% FD To each party member, and can help you survive if needed by blocking many attacks and giving HP Shield.. While providing average damage with high uptime.. If you compare mihile damage to other classes its actually very close but those other classes hit the boss less often.. so the gap becomes minimal or even non existent....pretty simple. Unless you compare it to OP classes of course... Mihile can do just fine in a party ...
@@anthonycastellanos7088 mihile is good where it is at. Not a very good class at all. It does not matter how many times it hit the boss when you ain’t doing dmg to it. Poor dps and poor burst however I would say it’s an easy class to play but that pretty much it.
@henrryma8460 arcahs 25min extreme lotus solo begs to differ
@@Central-se7ez that 1 mihile over thousands… while picking an A tier class or S tier would of been the same thing easier to do as well 🤦♂️ so your statement still proves me right
Hope I can manage to kill Xlotus as a hero duoing with Phantom 💀
I cry about the state of f/p.. consisently weak. Bad damage for a class with basically zero survivability.
Turns out using BA on the doujin dummy isnt the best way to measure the strength of a class.☠️
@@zeiadnreda5688 Yeah, I feel it... I forgot to mention this too, but if the boss moves around or is too small(like an example would be seren), it is not too great on fp since nova and fury are basically summon attacks that can miss a boss if it moves. For survivability, I don't think fp needs better survivability. Tp is broken and provides more control to your character than a flash jump class.
Nonetheless, the full rotation is pretty mid and class definitely needs buffs. And a big issue too is that fp suffers from not having enough cd reduction in reboot compared to reg servers.
take a shot everytime I say "um." Jesus fuck I am bad at public speaking.
I think Nexon should buff my class (bucc) and anyone l play and only my account. This MIGHT fix the game!
L tier list.
"oh no my class is not at the top, L tier list!"
one thing about demon avenger is a “shadow nerf” of their frenzy skill, no one in GMS plays demon avenger and the one playing it are egotistic ones that are bad with the game so they don’t know anything better
originally the reward you get from playing 29 frenzy is extra 30% FD, yeah, now, it is 20%, and continuous ring is really awful in comparison to ring of restraint, you will never know why wouldn’t nexon make oz rings all final damage% instead of att% and boss damage%, even with final damage%, a dpm class using continuous ring of lets say, 30%FD, will always get out-classed by burst class that fit the entire burst inside a 100%FD ring of restraint, it is just how it is
imagine being this emotional over a class you don't actually play
bro you wrote three separate paragraph long comments are you alright in the head
*update*
it is in kms patch 1.2.368, which is ignition, if not mistaken, back in year 2022, the demonic frenzy final damage increase at maximum value was NERFED from 35%, to 20%, let this fact sink in
so from 2023 to 2024, for more than two years, demon avenger is and always was a high risk mid reward class, boy these arrogant ignorant DAs really pulled some tricky misinformation campaign on all of us, now I will say not only do I strongly recommend against choosing demon avenger as your main, I will also strongly recommend you to diss on those big mouth nothing knowing demon avenger veterans in Kronos
point to where the DA hurt you
DA is given way too much credit, don’t let their egotistic frenzy ruin force shield propaganda scares you all, that is nothing but their scandalous lie/cope, let me, a humble nobody, ask you a real question, where are the VODs showcasing a 29 frenzy ruin force shield DA out-classing people, where are them DAs, stupidgameu, executizer, or saga’s 30fz, or anyone else, where
nope, you see VODs coming from real strong/OP class, the trio of xenon mercedes night walker, they are backed by real data and real VODs, where is DA’s proof of data, where is the equivalent proof of FD stacking of DA 29 frenzy ruin force shield
it is time to stop these egotistic DAs from spreading false information, for way too long they threatens the community with fear and ego, they are not backed by real VODs and BAs, all they knew were fear mongering using KMS DA, and clearly GMS reboot DA is not the same as KMS reg DA
until proven otherwise by these DAs, demon avenger IS a high risk mid reward class, bad class, I strongly recommend everyone not to play this class as main
bro can you chill tf out?
show me on the doll where the DA touched you