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needs buffs

exactly what it says

@@Josh-zg8dg 74k

its a endgame tier list u can clear everything with all classes

appreciate the response and you definitely have some valid points. I personally think we were being honest with addressing both the shitty systems in the game at the endgame level in our server. I don't expect everyone to understand that or our point of view but people seemed interested in our perspective on this matter so I will talk about it. In terms of reg, I just believe reg just better in a sense because you have the option to avoid being gated. but again, it is using real money vs playing a server where its "free." We won't ever know if that was supposed to be "anti" reboot or not but it's pretty obvious that KMS cares more about their reg server players more.

I think its a stretch to suggest that only optimism is warranted and that theres no justification for voicing strong complaints regarding the game. Yes, good changes have been implemented and there can possibly be more on the way, however this progress has been quite slow as is and there has been a SINGLE system of concern addressed in reboot (familiars). Of the single system being addressed, theyve implemented an extremely unsatisfactory “solution” with cernium fams, and they intend on releasing the mystical cards next patch which again, can POSSIBLY be good, however I think its unlikely to be satisfactory based on the rumored information circulating. Wheres the communication regarding future fam implementation in later areas? We can see SIGNS of good changes on the way (in 1 system to be clear), however we have yet to see an ACTUAL good change be implemented. The best things that have happened so far with inkwell’s direction were to avoid implementing BAD changes, which is completely different. I can agree things are more positive looking than before, but to suggest that we shouldn’t make our demands loud and clear is more hurtful for this game than whatever you think we’re doing. This company has shown time and time again that they don’t care about your minor concerns with the game, they care about the big, loudly voiced concerns that will influence people’s decision making. Another thing I disagree with in this response is that the comparisons youre drawing to reg and reboot are fundamentally flawed; You need to compare the equivalent gamestates rather than the servers entirely. Oz rings might’ve gotten more expensive in reg through the change, however this is because the reg population in GMS isn’t large enough to have bossing as an alternative that resupplies the pool of rings being sold, especially when oz was being exploited in both GMS and KMS (main driver for removing the content entirely). Aside from that, the main point of contention is how influential that problem is to you in one server vs the other. In reg server, even if an oz ring is your most efficient gain, there are alternative gains that are available at that stage which will be lower in efficiency to a much smaller degree than reboot. In reboot if you are endgame and need a cont4/ror4/wj4, not only do you not have an alternative to brute force its acquisition, you do not really have an alternative gain that is anywhere near as good or feasible. Prior to the end game, its not as big of a deal of course, but the premise of this issue along with the others mentioned in the video is the lack of options. The same philosophy applies to grindstone; it is a bad system regardless of server, but reg server has a clear advantage in that they can either purchase it or sell their grindstones as a party and get value out of it, while rebooters need to actively cut their party size and potentially lose out on other progression because of prioritizing that. I also think your figure on the KR grindstone cost must be wildly inaccurate, as its far less than that here in GMS, however I don’t know for certain and could be mistaken. TLDR, the game has clear problems that need to be addressed both in reg and reboot, and the best way to get them addressed is to voice our concerns for them, loudly and frequently. Just because they’ve shown small signs towards good changes doesn’t mean we should sit silently and hope they know and WANT whats best for us.

​@@imbecile5604 >the game has clear problems that need to be addressed both in reg and reboot, and the best way to get them addressed is to voice our concerns for them, loudly and frequently. This is the unfortunate reality yeah and i do think its overall good to be pushing for some sort of change like adding a way for us to get more damage lategame or simply cutting hp on the unclearable stuff. I was mostly lamenting how people have had such a negative sentiment about the game recently when most of these issues dont affect them and never will. Again, unfortunately that widespread sentiment seems to be the only thing that pushes a change to nexon so it is what it is i guess, it would just be nice to see a bit more optimism. I think for the most part the game is good and doesnt need a whole lot of stuff fixed, and small tweaks+not adding the bad stuff from KR is a great way to handle it. Balance is a tricky issue because (in my opinion) these korean pay2win mmos make their money off balance thrashing and forcing meta chasers to reroll which ends up costing them a lot of money, which isnt a balancing formula that really works with maple and especially reboot when players are so locked in to their main. I also think its a bit much to expect them to have an individual gms balance patch, which is mentioned in this vid. Also, another thing they have done since inkwell is the 2nd mastery stuff to kanna that basically saved it as a class which unironically felt like a big issue in the community for whatever reason, maybe kannas are just whiny? Yeah for the oz ring/grindstone stuff you definitely have some advantages on reg, and i said most of my piece in the other reply, TLDR i was just saying I dont think it was an anti reboot change like someone in the video was claiming, it is unfortunate that with bad variance you can get locked out of your ring for a very long time but also just sort of a core tenet of reboot, for better or worse (these days people seem to feel like its worse)

@@c8met an alternate perspective - I think you guys brought up extremely compelling perspectives that the new direction of GMS Heroic needs to try to change/improve. E.g. introducing systems specifically designed around Reg auction house and meso market, but not changing those systems in reboot servers to fit those servers unique structures at all, is most definitely intentional. Inkwell does have the opportunity to make GMS the best server for Maple, for both Heroic and Interactive, but pointing out all the problems that need fixing is not at all doomer. How can he know what to fix if issues from players' perspectives aren't brought up and discussed? Imo these types of discussions extremely important and are the best way to bring problems to the surface because there is credibility from end game players that are also content creators, vs random nobodies in the official Discord posting in the suggestions channel.

this is just an aside/comment on your oz ring thing, i believe a huge portion of why they implemented oz ring boxes was to combat botters in kms doing oz and farming rings. so provided I remembered that correctly, it's just punishing people who would want to brute force the content (i.e. do oz till thye get their rings) and locking it behind rng gates.

@@LifesY-T unfortunately I think they saw an opportunity to make alot of money starting with cube release and just have been bringing in more and more rng aspects to the game since then.So in other words, they know what they are doing. I dont mean to take it so serious but its a very evil design to keep players addicted. Also, the class balancing is the worst its probably ever been right now in heroic so not quite sure what you're saying there. But yes, I agree that party play needs to be changed and is outdated 100%.

@@c8met i worded it poorly probably, i meant to say that i feel like 80% of class balance issues will go away once u fix how badly the game is design in regards to party play, but like i said, i play solo so imight as well just not say anything on party tbh lol, idk much about it, just what it seems to me from the side.

@@LifesY-T you're good LOL. it's interesting hearing differing point of views. huge respect to you for playing solo as well!:)

@@c8met just a matter of preferance tbh, but ty! also awesome 2 discussion vids (both this one and tier list), big ups to u for arranging that! was really good convos to listen to! :D

you play purely solo and im guessing a class with little to no support? The opinion that anything with support should deal little damage compared to pure dps is very flawed ignorant and narrow minded. You realize that a lot of this game's meta revolves around pushing yourself to be strong enough to solo bosses? You seem very set into the idea of a traditional mmo as "right" when there are a lot of good mmos that stray from the traditional rock paper scissors (which im assuming you mean holy trinity, heal tank support). This game in particular there is no value to a tank because a tank in a 2d game would kind of trivialize the bosses. healer and support (support in the traditional sense where mostly they are providing shields and utility with maybe some light buffing) are not always necessary because the bosses are designed to be clearable with any amount of players, 1-6, so the fights are designed around every person being responsible for themselves and every class having self sufficiency with some form of survivability. The logical conclusion of this is that supports cant just do 0 damage because dps dont need them in a party like they would in traditional mmos, the dps will just solo the content. Yes for harder stuff they will group up with a support but look at the meta, the bosses that you need to solo for endgame gear are luwill ctene and lomien. Dps will just solo these and get their drops, and supports will be unable to solo them and dps will have 0 incentive to help them solo. You are also wrong about character categories being artificial/arbitrary, they are not decided by the players they are decided by their damage patterns in the game. Burst characters also arent artificially the best because of player perspective or anything like that, they are objectively the best because they can dump all their damage in a condensed window with RoR and party buffs which scales their damage exponentially, which classes with more lengthy burst patterns cant do. Anyways, you forgot your time machine to 15 years ago, move on man. maplestory isnt a cutesy chat hub heneho simulator anymore, there is a very fleshed out game that you are too blinded by your rose tinted glasses to be able to see

@@Lmaxter500 take everything with a grain of salt. Alot of discussion is biased and subjective.

Yeah take that it can be subjective based on their exp (or non exp). For example, Mihile and Kain for me would insta go to OP. They said mihile is underwhelming, and that Kain burst without origin is mediocre, and thats seems a bit biased, as its very strong compared to the rest of the guys in "Strong". It may look mediocre comparing to its own origin burst, but compared with others the damage output is insane. However this kind of tierlist, can help a lot a new player, or someone trying to have a clue on what to play :D

Progress isn't the only thing that matters. Imagine playing a game with all these amazing looking sprites only to focus on the damage numbers.

That's literally just maplestory. With so many RNG progression systems you can just get lapped by anyone even if they invest a fraction of your time.

@@SogaMaplestory this is one of the reasons i think reg server is more favorable. tradable equipment is pretty cool and relies less on rng systems if you can just buy equips vs waiting for them to drop + 22-ing them. ofcourse, not everyone has the money to do that but just a point to bring up.

@@senorspore733 thats barely true, time and effort is more important than almost everything else and being rng gated only really matters when you are at the end of the game which is like .1% of the population

@@momoaa way more people than you think at that 'end game'. so many sf and events shitting out resources and income from boss mules means more people at full 22*s sitting in pitch boss, fams and eternals waiting room. look up how many people are above 9k legion or 280+ but sure just make up an misfounded '0.1%' number.

And this guys say this only matter on endgame but the real truth is when you start doing nKalos and eKalling that are not endgame bosses, people start being WAY more picky. This happened too in WoW like in every patch. Just play meta.

@@kaisertheog Its definitely more relevant in end game content. We never said it doesn't happen in lower difficulty bosses.

The meta constantly changes so a strong character now isn't guaranteed to be strong a patch later. Bishop was literally the weakest character by far before Destiny patch. Stop sounding like a whiny lil dog lol

why don't you follow ur own advice and drop that dusty kaiser

@@kaisertheog You have valid points of people like just doing more damage( like to see higher numbers) and tend to bandwagon what is meta but not everyone thinks like that. It's not black and white so that type of thinking is very biased and narrow minded respectfully. Also no offense but having 2 280s+ doesn't mean much

Just kick him, he’ll understand. Everyone knows Kaiser is trash except a few delusional mains

"oh no my class is not at the top, L tier list!"

one of the best solo bossers in the game is cap. Yea, I can agree that its not as bad as we made it out to be but its definitely not strong. I can see it possibly being top of below average but I do not think this class is decent whatsoever because it is simply not needed in a party.

@@c8met It's not strong or weak, it's just average. It does very similar damage output to classes like Dark Knight and Dawn Warrior. For some reason you're putting it in the below average category when it's actually average. Now consider the fact that with Average damage, mihile is hitting the boss more often than every other class, that means mihile's damage in GMS is actually pretty good. Just not amazing or "Strong".... Other classes use their burst and hit whenever they are able to, mihile can hit the boss pretty much the entire fight.. so although it's the "Burst Meta".. Mihile damage is more spread out throughout the entire boss fight........ So basically.. it's Still not nearly as bad as you're Still making it sound...... It's just Average.. that's it.. Average.. and it also gives 5% FD To each party member, and can help you survive if needed by blocking many attacks and giving HP Shield.. While providing average damage with high uptime.. If you compare mihile damage to other classes its actually very close but those other classes hit the boss less often.. so the gap becomes minimal or even non existent....pretty simple. Unless you compare it to OP classes of course... Mihile can do just fine in a party ...

@@anthonycastellanos7088 mihile is good where it is at. Not a very good class at all. It does not matter how many times it hit the boss when you ain’t doing dmg to it. Poor dps and poor burst however I would say it’s an easy class to play but that pretty much it.

​@henrryma8460 arcahs 25min extreme lotus solo begs to differ

@@Central-se7ez that 1 mihile over thousands… while picking an A tier class or S tier would of been the same thing easier to do as well 🤦‍♂️ so your statement still proves me right

Yeah, that comparison was probably not the best given the dpm is better than nl by a decent margin. But, saying Aran is purely a DPM class is also off. It still pretty burst heavy of a class.

I've asked Aran mains whether they're dpm and everyone agrees they're a hybrid with close to 50/50 split.

Yea it's pretty mid. Reg server can be over represented because of scrolling/pet equips/bonus pot etc. Also, dojo isn't the best way to represent if a class is strong or not.

And?

Hard to say really, the most impactful things would probably be Valhalla or Advanced Final Attack, though those wouldn't be enough on their own. They could do something like Puncture and increase the debuff to something more substantial. They could go really out of left field and give Hexa Combo or Enrage for more fd%, but that seems unlikely. Could even be something like dawn warrior where the new mastery gives them a new skill entirely.

@UltimaSteele hopefully.... cause hero is a very simple class so there isn't much to boost giving it a disadvantage in terms of 6th job mastery cores.

@@cavin5226 it's a double edged sword, it also means they can max their theoretical damage quickly compared to classes with many skills. It all depends on the % given by nexon

@@anonymousl5150 I rather cap early cause eventually nexon will increase lines or increase cap. only a matter of time.

@@cavin5226 Nexon doesnt make changes fast

@@Central-se7ez I mean it seems okay in solo. but does its support + its mediocre damage carry its weight in parties over choosing another dps or another support? probably not. Thats the flaw in this game, people will always go with the better options in support classes for making parties.

Mihile isn't as weak as they make it sound here. 😂..

@@c8met Mihile is not considered a support class at all, not even by mihiles. Mihile has average to slightly below average damage. It definitely is not as weak as you made it sound in this video. You also have to consider that it isn't dodging and running away since it has i frame with 80% uptime, so it spends a lot more time hitting the boss than arguably all other classes. Mihile also benefits alot from attack speed in GMS..

The tier list is wrong. TB should never be higher than Mihile. The class rebalance patch in late milestone patch will put mihile at least one tier higher.

@@mercstory oh no, one class might be out of place..... so.... whole tier list is wrong! yup

@@sillverice1212 nah thats just you dooming a little too much respectfully lol. You're definitely right about their burst being bad but the dpm is not as bad as youre making it out to be. And to be in a tier with lara, phantom, and wind archer would not be justified at all when the distribution isn't as bad as those classes.

​@@c8met their dpm isnt bad, but in practice, in party setting, you are sitting there doing no dmg while waiting for next burst with Bishop due to gauge. At times, if party is holding dmg, you cant even stack lib orbs up to max stacks. This gauge thing is way way worse than people think, they will never know until they actually experience it.

@@jaehwang9674 yea im aware. still does not belong with the bottom as I said before.

point to where the DA hurt you

imagine being this emotional over a class you don't actually play

bro you wrote three separate paragraph long comments are you alright in the head

bro can you chill tf out?

show me on the doll where the DA touched you

TB is in a good spot