Chris Alo is at it again! "My wife almost got killed while I was getting this autograph. I'm glad she didn't. But either way, I got the autograph!". There must have been a story behind this one!
@@j.j.4150 Overrated?? I can't think of a better way to describe the story of Ktulu than with that majestic song, I even imagine him rising from a stormy sea when i listen to it. The only song that doesn't convince me at all from that album is Escape.
Yeah it's probably my second behind Justice. Not really a Metallica fan anymore, but obviously was as a kid. Lightning has some of their best songs..... of course people will tout Puppets as their best..... most overrated more accurately
Takeaways from tonight's split squad all male testosterone edition episode: 1. Steve, Nick, Ryan, Chris and Rich in the house 2. "I may have gotten the assignment wrong from the teacher" 3. "You put that on, I'm flipping some tables" 4. "Fuck it. I'm just going to wing it" 5. "... and I have a bunch of other versions too" 6. "My wife almost got killed while I got the album signed by Kerry King. I'm glad she didn't but either way I got the autograph..." 7. "It's a shitty world we live in but it would be even shittier without Slayer" 8. "Oh great! Now I gotta buy it again..." 9. Cheeseburger Metal 10. Ryan's face licking canine shows up 16 minutes and 36 seconds into the show... 11. Ready To Fucky 12. "It's like drilling holes into your head, heavy" 13. "Do you wipe peanut butter on your face before the show?" 14. "I have naturally salty, delicious skin" 15. "Here's the three versions I've got of this one..." 16. "playing with your dolls again..." 17. "You can tell they recorded it in a studio, not in a toilet"
Killer episode!!! Love This Topic Pete 🤘 My picks : Destruction - Infernal Overkill Sodom - Obsessed By Cruelty Sacrelige - Beyond The Realms Of Madness Kreator - Pleasure To Kill Bathory - Under The Sign Of Black Mark
Ryan once said a friend of his joked that you guys compare obscure bands to even more obscure bands. Nothing softer than Slayer! His knowledge base is very impressive.
Once again, SoT shows why the episodes are so great even to those of us who may not know too much about the subject. Excellent topic and discussion everyone. And so glad to see the return of Steve Keeler - Steve, you've been missed. A lot of discussion in the show and great information to think about. And a nod to "A Man Of Many Hats" Alo for deftly changing his list while the show was in process. Of course, Butch, Sydney and Lynne were missed but this was a great selection of folks to offer their opinions. Thanks again to Chris, Nick, Rich, Ryan, Steve and you, too, Pete, for another great Hudson Valley Squares show.
Great heavy record. I'd also argue that Razor's ''Evil Invaders'' is heavy as fuck for 1985. And as I mentionned in another post : Slaughter ''Strappado'' is some seriously grimey, grinding thrash with that chainsaw sound.
Awesome show! I don’t have time to finish it now but I’ll watch it tomorrow. Great picks from everyone so far! I couldn’t pick just 5. Bathory - The Return... Bulldozer - The Day of Wrath Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion Dark Angel - Darkness Descends Destruction - Infernal Overkill Infernäl Mäjesty - None Shall Defy Kreator - Pleasure to Kill Nasty Savage - Nasty Savage Onslaught - Power from Hell Possessed - Seven Churches Sacrifice - Torment in Fire Sarcófago - I.N.R.I. Sepultura - Morbid Visions Slayer - Hell Awaits Sodom - Obsessed by Cruelty Venom - Welcome to Hell Voivod - War and Pain
I recently picked up a copy of None Shall Defy and it is a really great thrash (almost blackened thrash).album from back in the day. It sounds a little ahead of its time, and definitely a precursor to more extreme metal to come. I've been digging Sacrifice from Canada lately too.
Even though its Hardcore Punk, Discharge's Why EP, and Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing LP should also be mentioned in that those albums were highly influential on Extreme Metal. Also speaking of Bathory, would we get a ranking video of Bathory in the future?
I just re-listened to Morbid Visions a couple weeks ago and damn, it’s way closer to death metal than Seven Churches IMO. Yes, the production is pretty rough but it’s a much better album than I used to think.
@@vbl_metal4life236 It definitely is, but listening to Morbid Visions an Schizophrenia back to back I felt like Schizophrenia is less close to Death Metal for me. The vocals aren’t quite as deep of a growl, and there are lest blast beats and tremolo picking (more palm-muted stuff). Still influential for sure and an awesome album though
Whilst I love Motörhead, punk and NWOBHM bands for whatever reason I never got into Trash or Black & Death Metal. However I really enjoyed this show. Everyone’s enthusiasm and sheer joy for the bands shone through. Thanks guys.
I just realised in a mere six weeks the Hudson Valley Squares Show is celebrating its first anniversary... Time goes by strangely nowadays, quick and slow at once!
Ooh... GREAT call on the first Hallows Eve album - a lot of people seem to forget that one now but I definitely remember that being one of those 'scary' albums that some kids wouldn't dare meddle with along with the others like Show No Mercy/Haunting The Chapel/Don't Break The Oath etc.
Another Canadian Thrash band that was important in the development of death metal was Slaughter with their album Strappado, Napalm Death later covering the opening track from it. Master was also one of the first bands to play what would later be called death metal on their 1985 demo, although they didn't release a full studio album until 1990. I also think that it's important to mention some of the more visceral and intense hardcore punk of the time that a lot of the early death, black and grind bands were into. Black Flag's My War album was one of the most abrasive and harsh sounding recordings out there at the time of it's release in 1984, as was the early material of Poison Idea. Cool show and topic!
Best show on the web by far I watch it every week- I’m addicted! A suggestion for Hudson Valley Squares - can you do a top 5 Sabbath albums in order with everyone? It would make a super cool show - thanks ! Rob Pippan from Adelaide Australia
There’s a picture almost dead center on the thumbnail showing an album I’m surprised no one mentioned (if you did I may not have caught it). Sabbat History of a Time to Come. That album is a precursor to black metal. Cradle of Filth essentially developed much of their sound around them. Sadus Swallowed in Black deserves some love too but I’m not sure if it really meets the criteria, may have come out a bit late considering but it left a mark. Holy Terror is also an unsung hero…
This is probably my fav topic so far on Hudson Valley Squares. I, like all of you fellows was grinning like a kid in a toy store all the way through. Scream Bloody Gore completely changed my metal world when I heard it for the first time in 1987, also Messiah Extreme Cold Weather and Possessed Seven Churches I agree. Sarcofago I agree Ryan just mind blowing early savagery. Hellhammer Apocalyptic Raids for sure. Schizophrenia the reissue with Troops of Doom is my fav Sepultura album still. Bathory and Mercyful Fate for sure. Nasty Savage incredibly underrated. Ryan that Tormentor album is a massive grail for me. I agree about Attila, I saw Mayhem live in 2015 late at night at a big metal festival in Jakarta Indonesia and his performance was mind blowing and he had a whole crowd of 40,000 completely captivated what a showman. Sadus so good . Ryan once again showing the classic Australian bands, Sadistik Exekution legendary band down here famous for their crazy shows too. Slaughter Lord !!! That “death metal compilation” is such a classic of those bands early more extreme material. Celtic Frost Morbid Tales is one also some very early of the more slowed down chugging early precursor death metal on there. Those very early Carcass albums also kinda started something too. Black Death also I think we’re doing some pioneering But I agree with everyone’s picks I could go on and on bc I loved this subject so much. Brilliant brilliant show everyone. So much love for Hudson Valley Squares
All brilliant choices. Here's some no one mentioned. Bulldozer- The day of wrath Sabbat- A cautionary tale Onslaught- Power from hell Hardcore punk was also a big influence on extreme metal. Discharge and Broken Bones being obvious contenders. But I'd also include Septic Deaths now that I have youre attention what do I do with it?, Siege's drop dead, Voids side of their split with Faith and detestation by G.I.S.M.
For myself, I will go with Celtic Frost -To Mega Therion/Slayer Reign in Blood/ Venom - Black Metal/Possessed -7 Churches/ Infernal Majesty-None shall Defy....Kreator and Sodom are honorable mentions as they pushed the boundaries of heaviness and extreme.
Holy Moses ( from Germany) and Infernal Majesty ( Canada) deserve to be mentioned. During NWOBHM, the roots for extreme metal got planted: Venom of course, but also Angelwitch ( the song Bapometh). Even Am I evil by Diamond Head deserves to be mentioned. In North Europe, early Gotham City and Merlin’s castle by Malmsteen’s Rising force.
In 1987, I wrote to a band from Texas named Necrovore, asking for a copy of their demo tape, which has since come to be called "Divus de Mortuus." They wrote back with a hand-written personal letter and the cassette tape. It was thrashy but darker and more extreme than most thrash. Years later, I learned that Necrovore was a seminal influence on black metal and death metal worldwide!
I played drums and back between 87 and 92 I did alot of tspe trading and writing. Especially Europe. I threw out a lot of old filters and hand written letters by some legends. I got out of extreme metal after it was saturated, and cleaned house. I was like why am I keeping all these letters. I kick myself now.
@@tttarms1970 I hear you! I really wish I still had that letter from Necrovore now, and some other cool music-related things that I was sent over the years!
Firt Sepultura concert I saw was in The Beneath The Remains tour when they came Back to Brazil After shows abroad and they opened The concert in Rio with Primitive Future. Incredible
I know this band is a little late for this topic, but is anyone here a fan of Demolition Hammer? Just recently got into them. Their second record Epidemic of Violence is really on the borderline of Death and Thrash Metal. A great record!
That's a crazy album from a crazy band. I have that album, but I hardly listen to it. I need more melody. That's kinda the same way I feel about Dark Angel. But they're all amazing musicians.
@@bschuler6216 I love Thrash. I’m not the biggest fan of Death Metal. The few bands that I do like are Melodic Death Metal. The vocals on straight Death Metal are hard for me to get into because there’s not much melody. I need melody as well. I had a harder time getting into the more guttural thrash bands like Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, Dark Angel, Sepultura for that very reason
@@tylercharbonneau8178 Yeah, I hear ya. There is a real speedy, grimey charm to Kreator and Sodom that I love. And I find a lot of melody in Sepultura (after Schizophrenia). A lot of Melodic Death Metal gets a little to melodious/formulaic for me. But I do dig Dissection, Dismember, Unanimated, Necrophobic & Sacramentum.
Here is a couple of mine thrash selections that wernt selected. Razor - Executioner's song Whiplash - Power and Pain Bulldozer - The Day of wrath Mortal Sin - mayhemic destruction cryptic slaughter - convicted Exodus - Bonded by blood
They basically picked everything I would've gone for, but here's 5 they didn't and are just as worthy: -Master/Death Strike/Funeral Bitch. Basically anything Paul Speckmann was doing in the 80s -Macabre - Grim Reality (1987) -Slaughter - Strappado (1987) -The Accüsed - The Return Of... Martha Splatterhead (1986) (Blaine was just one of the most extreme vocalists out there and Scott Carlson told me that he was an influence on his delivery on Repulsion's Horrified) -Bulldözer - The Day Of Wrath (1985)
Great video Pete, Terrible Certainty I had that on LP back in the day, certainly Sodom. 1,Onslaught The Force 2,Bulldozer The Day of Wrath. If some early Raven had been speeded up it would have been included as a early prototype. 👍 Pete got a idea for a extension of this video, Black Metal in the 90s, just the 90s though, it would have to be around 2 hours because of the importance of the scene and those albums. 👍
"Roots" is actually an interesting case of an older band ripping off a newer band, Korn's debut with Ross Robinson came out a couple years before it, and Max totally went and aped Korn's whole sound.
Checking the basement cassette morgue: "Hell Awaits" "Ride the Lightning" "Melissa" "To Mega Therion." That covers my original interest in what would become Thrash/Black/Death.
Great show as always I would say a couple of bands not mentioned that I think influenced more extreme music,one, coroner another would be nuclear assault but even the first death angel album could fit in this,and even carnivore another ny band often overlooked,anyways keep up the good work
For All you Mercyful Fate fans. Check out Brats - 1980 or the song Heavy Rocker. Denner, Shermann, Cheyenne and Monroe. The song Accepted (with intro) are also great. Could be King grinning. Also Brats - CBS demo from 1981 with King Diamond and Carsten Volsing on guitar replacing Shermann Also the old Brats punk days. Dreams. Hank the Wank on guitar. And Shermann in his band Fate after MF. For example the song Get Up and Go or Backdoor Man. Much more commercial There are also Zoser Mez - Vizier of the Wasteland. Denner/Shermann feat. Kenny Lübcke on vocals, Claus Weiergang on bass and Morten Nielsen on drums. Actually this number are Desert of Deception but mentioned as Vizier of The Wasteland which were the album title
Yeah. Thanks 🙏🏻 for Sacrifice for sacrificing their homes for Us ( ‘Mortem on the 1987’s “ The Missing Kink” Ep touring Canada’s Nortwestern regions and especially letting Us All stay with them during their own debut for “Torment In Fire 🔥 “ same year as our 2nd album! Sincerely, DJP Anal Cunt;Postmortem and Kilslug Sony; Earache 🇬🇧 Columbia and TAANG!! Records @ ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Boston Massachusetts Amerikkka quite obviously 🙄 especially after the events of October 6-7th, 2023 🥂
That Death Metal sampler with Running Wild & Helloween is a bit of a misnomer, but Rich Catino quickly redeemed himself.with his other picks. Great pics! I love Torment In Fire, Sacrifice's debut & Kreator's first two records, Endless Pain & Pleasure To Kill! The Sacrifice album reminds me of Onslaught's debut, Power From Hell, and Haunting The Chapel era Slayer.
Really interesting discussion. You guys covered most of the major picks. Really glad that Ryan picked sarcofago which has to be mentioned in a list like this. I picked some relatively less well known ones that did influence major extreme metal bands and which were super extreme for that time. My picks Morbid-december moon (a little band that released this extremely influential ep in 1987 with lg petrov on drums and dead on vocals who would go on and front major bands and we all know which. One of the first death metal outputs in my opinion.) Poison-into the abyss 1986 (not the poppy glam band haha. This was a German blackened thrash band that inspired many Norwegian black metal bands and several extreme bands from germany. Really outlandish stuff and underground) Amebix-arise! (One of the most influential crust punk albums of all time which was a punk style with extreme vocals with dystopian and apocalyptic themes. I know for sure that this is one of Thomas lindberg's favourite albums and this really inspired darkthrone as well) Slayer-hell awaits (I don't care what everybody else thinks but this is the first death metal album ever released for me. Although on several songs they flirt with the line between thrash and death metal. It was radically different from what came before and what came after, many of the riffs were tremolo picked and the lyrics were more gory and darker. Necrophiliac is one of my favorite slayer songs and I consider it as the death metal song) Sepultura-morbid visions (what a radically different album from the rest of the catalogue. This can maybe be considered the first black metal album as its so dark and no thrash chords on this one. The vocals were also quite different with more darker and occult themes. Definitely influential for the black metal scene) Honorable mentions Sodom-obsessed by cruelty Sadus-chemical exposure Die kreuzen-die kreuzen Bathory-blood fire death Bulldozer-the day of wrath
Great list!!! I recently got a copy of December Moon & Into The Abyss on one cd. And that Poison ep is so fucking good!!!! I try to turn anyone on to that that'll listen. It's so ahead of its time.
@@chiragchittar4179 I found a copy cheap on ebay. I think I got it from a seller in Romania or Russia. So happy to finally have a copy! In fact, after years of looking, I finally scored a copy of Welcome My Final Chapters by Vinterland on cd from a seller on ebay for like $11. I can't believe I finally have this in my collection. It was the golden goose, lost piece, lol.
I am 45 years old and the first extreme metal album that was ever brought to my attention besides Slayer and Mercyful Fate was by Rigor Mortis ST on Capital Records 1988 and had movie samples from Texas Chainsaw Massacre/ Re-Animator and was still melodic enough to be catchy as hell with extreme sounding guitars and pummeling bass plus Harden Harrison bashing the skins with great production ta boot I don't really know if this is the first metal album with movie samples but it's the first one I ever heard
Show No Mercy was the first "extreme" album I heard. I remember hearing it for the first time at a friend's house ..... we had to take a break before putting side 2 on. We were already familiar with Kill 'em All and had heard a couple of Venom songs but Slayer's music was so extreme to our ears it was exhausting. I think that first listen would have been Christmas 1983, and we were fans of Kiss, Lizzy, Whitesnake and Maiden so this was a big departure.
Kreator - Pleasure To Kill Sepultura Schizophrenia Slayer - Hell Awaits Bathory - Under The Sign Of The Black Mark Sodom - Obsessed By Cruelty Sabbat (UK) - History Of A Time To Come Possessed - Seven Churches Dark Angel - Darkness Decends Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion Destruction - Infernal Overkill
''The Force'' by Onslaught from 1986 has always been a killer album for me, plus they are from Bristol where I have lived for 42 years. Especially the insanely fast Flame of the Antichrist..
@@BIGRGreenEyes Great to see you agree, I only played it through a couple of days ago. Great recording too. I saw the album launch at the Granary in Bristol..an insane night of mosh pit madness. One crazy guy even leapt of the balcony into the crowd...
I agree with Rich, Gates Of Purgatory was definitely leaning toward Black Metal, love that album and Walpurgis Night single, sadly, after guitarist/songwriter Preacher left, they moved away from that sound.
I love that album (including the EP with two other tracks), but I never considered it as black metal. I always considered this album as supped up Judas Priest (or speed metal version of Judas Priest).
I would've loved seeing Martin Popoff in on this, especially when looking at the back of the record covers saying how "heavy" certain bands looked lol. Great show, informative and entertaining. Cheers👍
Thrash that was key to the birth of extreme metal would have to include: OBVIOUSLY the early Slayer staples (Show No Mercy, Haunting The Chapel, Hell Awaits and Reign In Blood). In The Sign Of Evil and Obsessed By Cruelty by Sodom - KEY influences to second wave black metal. Endless Pain and Pleasure to Kill - massive contributors to the onset of death metal which is obvious when you listen to stuff like early Death and Deicide. Seven Churches is a transitional album - if it came out today it would probably be considered death-thrash but that was the missing link between thrash and death metal and it's well known that Chuck Schuldiner was inspired by it to turn the corner with what would become true death metal on Scream Bloody Gore. Another album that was NOT a thrash album but that was a huge influence to black and death metal that a lot of people seem to overlook the influence of was Earth A.D. by Misfits - a lot of the more extreme second wave black metal stuff has its DNA all over it. I don't see Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, Motorhead or Venom as thrash. Bathory is ABSOLUTELY not thrash so I don't think any these bands albums would really fall under "Favorite THRASH Albums That Helped Influence Extreme Metal"
This is an interesting topic but hard to define. But my five picks as of right now would be: Ritually Abused - Num Skull (1988) Reign in Blood - Slayer (1986) Under The Sign of the Black Mark - Bathory (1987) Seven Churches - Possessed (1985) Pleasure to Kill- Kreator (1986) Regarding the discussion: I never liked Darkness Descends. Its fast and heavy but I find it boring and nothing stands out. Walls of Jericho is my favorite Helloween album.
that Num Skull album is great. I spaced out and forgot all about that one, but it’s right up there with Demolition Hammer, Morbid Saint and Massacra from France (another really good 80s death metal / thrash band from that era)
This is the only episode (of the monday night show, which i watch on tuesday night as im in england) that i havent bothered to watch, as im not into the subject. Untill now, all eps have been more 'general' and with all the cast. So im a little disappointed to not have the usual great entertainment this time.
I love thrash, but I'm not really a fan of Darkness Descends. I've tried. Lord knows I've tried. It just doesn't have enough melody for me. I have that problem with a lot of Gene Hoglan. Great technical drummer, but he just doesn't move me. I have similar issues with Demolition Hammer. But I dig Kreator, Sacrifice, Sodom, Infernal Majesty, Repulsion, Onslaught, etc., etc.
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Pete Pardo is the best!
Great guy Pete Pardo
No argument here. Judge a man by the company he keeps and his taste in music.
Chris Alo is at it again! "My wife almost got killed while I was getting this autograph. I'm glad she didn't. But either way, I got the autograph!". There must have been a story behind this one!
Freakin Hilarious! The Squares Rock!
Pure comedy gold
He's the fucking best haha. Cracks me up on every episode.
Ride The Lightning is my all-time favorite Thrash album. It's a masterpiece from start to finish.
"Call Of Ktulu" is slightly overrated though. In my opinion, "Orion" and "To Live Is To Die" are superior.
@@j.j.4150 Overrated?? I can't think of a better way to describe the story of Ktulu than with that majestic song, I even imagine him rising from a stormy sea when i listen to it. The only song that doesn't convince me at all from that album is Escape.
Yeah it's probably my second behind Justice. Not really a Metallica fan anymore, but obviously was as a kid. Lightning has some of their best songs..... of course people will tout Puppets as their best..... most overrated more accurately
Takeaways from tonight's split squad all male testosterone edition episode:
1. Steve, Nick, Ryan, Chris and Rich in the house
2. "I may have gotten the assignment wrong from the teacher"
3. "You put that on, I'm flipping some tables"
4. "Fuck it. I'm just going to wing it"
5. "... and I have a bunch of other versions too"
6. "My wife almost got killed while I got the album signed by Kerry King. I'm glad she didn't but either way I got the autograph..."
7. "It's a shitty world we live in but it would be even shittier without Slayer"
8. "Oh great! Now I gotta buy it again..."
9. Cheeseburger Metal
10. Ryan's face licking canine shows up 16 minutes and 36 seconds into the show...
11. Ready To Fucky
12. "It's like drilling holes into your head, heavy"
13. "Do you wipe peanut butter on your face before the show?"
14. "I have naturally salty, delicious skin"
15. "Here's the three versions I've got of this one..."
16. "playing with your dolls again..."
17. "You can tell they recorded it in a studio, not in a toilet"
Ha! Awesome rundown
Killer episode!!! Love This Topic Pete 🤘
My picks :
Destruction - Infernal Overkill
Sodom - Obsessed By Cruelty
Sacrelige - Beyond The Realms Of Madness
Kreator - Pleasure To Kill
Bathory - Under The Sign Of Black Mark
Ryan once said a friend of his joked that you guys compare obscure bands to even more obscure bands. Nothing softer than Slayer! His knowledge base is very impressive.
Venom - Black Metal
Slayer - Hell Awaits
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids
Bathory - ST
Possessed - Seven Churches
Once again, SoT shows why the episodes are so great even to those of us who may not know too much about the subject. Excellent topic and discussion everyone. And so glad to see the return of Steve Keeler - Steve, you've been missed. A lot of discussion in the show and great information to think about. And a nod to "A Man Of Many Hats" Alo for deftly changing his list while the show was in process. Of course, Butch, Sydney and Lynne were missed but this was a great selection of folks to offer their opinions. Thanks again to Chris, Nick, Rich, Ryan, Steve and you, too, Pete, for another great Hudson Valley Squares show.
Thank you! Great episode... Time to revisit all those records!
37:46 when he said "unmentioned canadian" my mind went immediately to Infernal Majesty's None Shall Defy. Lol
Great heavy record. I'd also argue that Razor's ''Evil Invaders'' is heavy as fuck for 1985. And as I mentionned in another post : Slaughter ''Strappado'' is some seriously grimey, grinding thrash with that chainsaw sound.
That album needs more recognition. So evil!
Awesome show! I don’t have time to finish it now but I’ll watch it tomorrow. Great picks from everyone so far!
I couldn’t pick just 5.
Bathory - The Return...
Bulldozer - The Day of Wrath
Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
Dark Angel - Darkness Descends
Destruction - Infernal Overkill
Infernäl Mäjesty - None Shall Defy
Kreator - Pleasure to Kill
Nasty Savage - Nasty Savage
Onslaught - Power from Hell
Possessed - Seven Churches
Sacrifice - Torment in Fire
Sarcófago - I.N.R.I.
Sepultura - Morbid Visions
Slayer - Hell Awaits
Sodom - Obsessed by Cruelty
Venom - Welcome to Hell
Voivod - War and Pain
I recently picked up a copy of None Shall Defy and it is a really great thrash (almost blackened thrash).album from back in the day. It sounds a little ahead of its time, and definitely a precursor to more extreme metal to come. I've been digging Sacrifice from Canada lately too.
Onslaught - Power From Hell!
Damn, how did I forget Power From Hell and Sacrifice’s Torment in Fire?? Both awesome! 🤘🤘
Just added them to my list.
"Songs that choke you up or evoke strong emotions" on a future episode would be an interesting topic
I definitely learned a lot during this show. A great topic, and another awesome show from the HVS crew, thanks!
Your Helloween shirts rock!!🎤🎸🎵🥁
Even though its Hardcore Punk, Discharge's Why EP, and Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing LP should also be mentioned in that those albums were highly influential on Extreme Metal.
Also speaking of Bathory, would we get a ranking video of Bathory in the future?
I agree with you big time
Hell yeah to Chris for the shout-outs to Cro Mags- “Age of Quarrel” and Stork Troopers of Death- “Speak English or Die”! Amazing crossover albums!
I think everyone did homework just fine! Some damn great picks tonight! Great listen guys this one was right up my alley!
December Moon by Morbid and Spectrum of Death by Morbid Saint definitely deserve a shout out.
Outstanding releases, both of them.
Loved that mini conversation of Sepultura towards the end. Max era Sepultura is definitely in my top 5 bands of all time.
I just re-listened to Morbid Visions a couple weeks ago and damn, it’s way closer to death metal than Seven Churches IMO. Yes, the production is pretty rough but it’s a much better album than I used to think.
@@erikberg5363 i would also say Schizophrenia is very death metal as well
@@vbl_metal4life236 It definitely is, but listening to Morbid Visions an Schizophrenia back to back I felt like Schizophrenia is less close to Death Metal for me. The vocals aren’t quite as deep of a growl, and there are lest blast beats and tremolo picking (more palm-muted stuff). Still influential for sure and an awesome album though
Whilst I love Motörhead, punk and NWOBHM bands for whatever reason I never got into Trash or Black & Death Metal. However I really enjoyed this show. Everyone’s enthusiasm and sheer joy for the bands shone through. Thanks guys.
Definitely do more extreme metal vids please!!!!
Great one guys. Such an exciting time in music. Time for me to revisit some of these classics.
Venom - Welcome To Hell
Metallica - Ride The Lightning
Mercyful Fate - Melissa
Megadeth - Peace Sells.. But Who's Buying?
Slayer - Show No Mercy
I LOVE when you guys fuck up the homework. It always leads to more awesome convo.
This convo has been awesome. All of you guys are awesome.
Here's a couple not mentioned. Bulldozer from Italy and Volcano from Brazil. Also Blood Feast from New Jersey. Great show guys.
I just realised in a mere six weeks the Hudson Valley Squares Show is celebrating its first anniversary... Time goes by strangely nowadays, quick and slow at once!
A Brazilian band that influenced Sepultura, Vulcano-Bloody Vengeance(1986). It is very fast and the vocals are super harsh. Total early Death-Thrash.
How about those early Voivod albums.
Great Show
Ooh... GREAT call on the first Hallows Eve album - a lot of people seem to forget that one now but I definitely remember that being one of those 'scary' albums that some kids wouldn't dare meddle with along with the others like Show No Mercy/Haunting The Chapel/Don't Break The Oath etc.
Aloha Everyone
Loving this episode!
Mahalos Stay Safe!!
Angel of Death was probably the first song I heard that really made me think how extreme metal could be
Thank you guys for your Thrash picks!! * All the damn time.🎤🎸🎵🥁
Great show and as a Brazillian It was great to see The picks for early Sepultura and Sarcófago
That Sarcofago album rules!
Great choice Ryan, I'm from Hungary, Tormentor is giant!
I’ve been fortunate to see them three times and they’ve been absolutely incredible live each and every time!
Great channel you have,Pete👍
Another Canadian Thrash band that was important in the development of death metal was Slaughter with their album Strappado, Napalm Death later covering the opening track from it. Master was also one of the first bands to play what would later be called death metal on their 1985 demo, although they didn't release a full studio album until 1990. I also think that it's important to mention some of the more visceral and intense hardcore punk of the time that a lot of the early death, black and grind bands were into. Black Flag's My War album was one of the most abrasive and harsh sounding recordings out there at the time of it's release in 1984, as was the early material of Poison Idea. Cool show and topic!
Love, love, love The Plasmatics!🤘🤘🤘
Best show on the web by far I watch it every week- I’m addicted!
A suggestion for Hudson Valley Squares - can you do a top 5 Sabbath albums in order with everyone? It would make a super cool show - thanks ! Rob Pippan from Adelaide Australia
All 10 of Chris Alo’s picks were on point!
thank you!
If you like that kind of music, interesting show. For me this genre really deserves its name
No matter the assignment, this was awesome to see everyone’s picks and I like Chris’ Fall Brawl cap, been watching a lot of old WCW lately
There’s a picture almost dead center on the thumbnail showing an album I’m surprised no one mentioned (if you did I may not have caught it). Sabbat History of a Time to Come. That album is a precursor to black metal. Cradle of Filth essentially developed much of their sound around them. Sadus Swallowed in Black deserves some love too but I’m not sure if it really meets the criteria, may have come out a bit late considering but it left a mark. Holy Terror is also an unsung hero…
This is probably my fav topic so far on Hudson Valley Squares. I, like all of you fellows was grinning like a kid in a toy store all the way through. Scream Bloody Gore completely changed my metal world when I heard it for the first time in 1987, also Messiah Extreme Cold Weather and Possessed Seven Churches I agree. Sarcofago I agree Ryan just mind blowing early savagery. Hellhammer Apocalyptic Raids for sure. Schizophrenia the reissue with Troops of Doom is my fav Sepultura album still. Bathory and Mercyful Fate for sure. Nasty Savage incredibly underrated. Ryan that Tormentor album is a massive grail for me. I agree about Attila, I saw Mayhem live in 2015 late at night at a big metal festival in Jakarta Indonesia and his performance was mind blowing and he had a whole crowd of 40,000 completely captivated what a showman. Sadus so good . Ryan once again showing the classic Australian bands, Sadistik Exekution legendary band down here famous for their crazy shows too. Slaughter Lord !!!
That “death metal compilation” is such a classic of those bands early more extreme material. Celtic Frost Morbid Tales is one also some very early of the more slowed down chugging early precursor death metal on there. Those very early Carcass albums also kinda started something too. Black Death also I think we’re doing some pioneering
But I agree with everyone’s picks
I could go on and on bc I loved this subject so much. Brilliant brilliant show everyone. So much love for Hudson Valley Squares
Fantastic discussion! Thrash rules.
All brilliant choices. Here's some no one mentioned.
Bulldozer- The day of wrath
Sabbat- A cautionary tale
Onslaught- Power from hell
Hardcore punk was also a big influence on extreme metal. Discharge and Broken Bones being obvious contenders. But I'd also include Septic Deaths now that I have youre attention what do I do with it?, Siege's drop dead, Voids side of their split with Faith and detestation by G.I.S.M.
Excellent show gents, more fodder for the hard earned cash ........
Reek of Putrefication by Carcass. Thrash, grindcore and death metal blend.
For myself, I will go with Celtic Frost -To Mega Therion/Slayer Reign in Blood/ Venom - Black Metal/Possessed -7 Churches/ Infernal Majesty-None shall Defy....Kreator and Sodom are honorable mentions as they pushed the boundaries of heaviness and extreme.
That Fall Brawl hat gives away your dedication!
Holy Moses ( from Germany) and Infernal Majesty ( Canada) deserve to be mentioned.
During NWOBHM, the roots for extreme metal got planted: Venom of course, but also Angelwitch ( the song Bapometh). Even Am I evil by Diamond Head deserves to be mentioned.
In North Europe, early Gotham City and Merlin’s castle by Malmsteen’s Rising force.
Vulcano- Bloody Vengeance
Dream Death- Journey into mystery
Chakal- Abominable Anno Domini
Nicks mention of the Moonspell guys covering Call From the Grave made me spend 200 dollars on Discogs. Thanks, guys.
I'd love to buy you some beers some time at a show. You rule, sir. \m/ \m/
Any chance of a Venom show?
Would be nice
In 1987, I wrote to a band from Texas named Necrovore, asking for a copy of their demo tape, which has since come to be called "Divus de Mortuus." They wrote back with a hand-written personal letter and the cassette tape. It was thrashy but darker and more extreme than most thrash. Years later, I learned that Necrovore was a seminal influence on black metal and death metal worldwide!
I played drums and back between 87 and 92 I did alot of tspe trading and writing. Especially Europe. I threw out a lot of old filters and hand written letters by some legends. I got out of extreme metal after it was saturated, and cleaned house. I was like why am I keeping all these letters. I kick myself now.
@@tttarms1970 I hear you! I really wish I still had that letter from Necrovore now, and some other cool music-related things that I was sent over the years!
Firt Sepultura concert I saw was in The Beneath The Remains tour when they came Back to Brazil After shows abroad and they opened The concert in Rio with Primitive Future. Incredible
Wow!!!
I know this band is a little late for this topic, but is anyone here a fan of Demolition Hammer? Just recently got into them. Their second record Epidemic of Violence is really on the borderline of Death and Thrash Metal. A great record!
That's a crazy album from a crazy band. I have that album, but I hardly listen to it. I need more melody. That's kinda the same way I feel about Dark Angel. But they're all amazing musicians.
@@bschuler6216 I love Thrash. I’m not the biggest fan of Death Metal. The few bands that I do like are Melodic Death Metal. The vocals on straight Death Metal are hard for me to get into because there’s not much melody. I need melody as well. I had a harder time getting into the more guttural thrash bands like Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, Dark Angel, Sepultura for that very reason
@@tylercharbonneau8178 Yeah, I hear ya. There is a real speedy, grimey charm to Kreator and Sodom that I love. And I find a lot of melody in Sepultura (after Schizophrenia). A lot of Melodic Death Metal gets a little to melodious/formulaic for me. But I do dig Dissection, Dismember, Unanimated, Necrophobic & Sacramentum.
Tortured Existence and especially Epidemic of Violence are both intense! That’s the kinda thrash made to get the pit going for the entire set.
Game Over- Nuclear Assault
Nightmare Theatre- Exorcist
Power From Hell- Onslaught
Prowling Death Squad- Prowler
Evil Invaders- Razor
Here is a couple of mine thrash selections that wernt selected.
Razor - Executioner's song
Whiplash - Power and Pain
Bulldozer - The Day of wrath
Mortal Sin - mayhemic destruction
cryptic slaughter - convicted
Exodus - Bonded by blood
Slaughter's Surrender or die (Canada band) was huge influence for Chuck Schuldiner (Death), he joined the band for a while
Sepultura live at Barcelona 1991. The best ThrashMetal Concert of all time. Fact.
Great video!
They basically picked everything I would've gone for, but here's 5 they didn't and are just as worthy:
-Master/Death Strike/Funeral Bitch. Basically anything Paul Speckmann was doing in the 80s
-Macabre - Grim Reality (1987)
-Slaughter - Strappado (1987)
-The Accüsed - The Return Of... Martha Splatterhead (1986) (Blaine was just one of the most extreme vocalists out there and Scott Carlson told me that he was an influence on his delivery on Repulsion's Horrified)
-Bulldözer - The Day Of Wrath (1985)
Great video Pete, Terrible Certainty I had that on LP back in the day, certainly Sodom.
1,Onslaught The Force
2,Bulldozer The Day of Wrath. If some early Raven had been speeded up it would have been included as a early prototype. 👍
Pete got a idea for a extension of this video, Black Metal in the 90s, just the 90s though, it would have to be around 2 hours because of the importance of the scene and those albums. 👍
"Roots" is actually an interesting case of an older band ripping off a newer band, Korn's debut with Ross Robinson came out a couple years before it, and Max totally went and aped Korn's whole sound.
Max used Ross Robinson to produce Roots, so intentional or not, that sound definitely carried over.
My top 5 pics are.
1. Death- Scream bloody Gore.
2. Possessed- Seven Churches.
3. Slayer- Hell Awaits.
4. Dark Angel- Darkness Descends.
5. Sepultura- Morbid Visions.
Checking the basement cassette morgue: "Hell Awaits" "Ride the Lightning" "Melissa" "To Mega Therion." That covers my original interest in what would become Thrash/Black/Death.
Great show as always I would say a couple of bands not mentioned that I think influenced more extreme music,one, coroner another would be nuclear assault but even the first death angel album could fit in this,and even carnivore another ny band often overlooked,anyways keep up the good work
For All you Mercyful Fate fans. Check out Brats - 1980 or the song Heavy Rocker. Denner, Shermann, Cheyenne and Monroe. The song Accepted (with intro) are also great. Could be King grinning.
Also Brats - CBS demo from 1981 with King Diamond and Carsten Volsing on guitar replacing Shermann
Also the old Brats punk days. Dreams. Hank the Wank on guitar.
And Shermann in his band Fate after MF.
For example the song Get Up and Go or Backdoor Man. Much more commercial
There are also Zoser Mez - Vizier of the Wasteland. Denner/Shermann feat. Kenny Lübcke on vocals, Claus Weiergang on bass and Morten Nielsen on drums. Actually this number are Desert of Deception but mentioned as Vizier of The Wasteland which were the album title
Sacrifice is still around. They are working on a brand new album to be released later this year.
Sacrifice is EPIC
Yeah. Thanks 🙏🏻 for Sacrifice for sacrificing their homes for Us ( ‘Mortem on the 1987’s “ The Missing Kink” Ep touring Canada’s Nortwestern regions and especially letting Us All stay with them during their own debut for “Torment In Fire 🔥 “ same year as our 2nd album! Sincerely, DJP Anal Cunt;Postmortem and Kilslug Sony; Earache 🇬🇧 Columbia and TAANG!! Records @ ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Boston Massachusetts Amerikkka quite obviously 🙄 especially after the events of October 6-7th, 2023 🥂
That Death Metal sampler with Running Wild & Helloween is a bit of a misnomer, but Rich Catino quickly redeemed himself.with his other picks. Great pics! I love Torment In Fire, Sacrifice's debut & Kreator's first two records, Endless Pain & Pleasure To Kill!
The Sacrifice album reminds me of Onslaught's debut, Power From Hell, and Haunting The Chapel era Slayer.
I don't think he claimed that either band were death metal, and I'm pretty sure he didn't name the album.
Is the Suicidal Tendencies LP "Join the Army" a thrash album?
Kinda crossover. There are elements, but I feel like they didn't go full thrash until the next album or two in 1988-1989.
Pleasure to Kill- Kreator
Hell Awaits- Slayer
Black Metal- Venom
Darkness Decends- Dark Angel
Seven Churches- Possessed
shout out to Pete
i ordered a SOT shirt yesterday
My picks:
* Metallica ‘ Master of Puppets’
* Megadeth ‘ Rust In Peace’
* Testament ‘A New Order’
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Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
Bathory - The Return
Possessed - Seven Churches
Sarcofago - INRI
Vulcano - Bloody Vengeance
Really interesting discussion. You guys covered most of the major picks. Really glad that Ryan picked sarcofago which has to be mentioned in a list like this. I picked some relatively less well known ones that did influence major extreme metal bands and which were super extreme for that time.
My picks
Morbid-december moon (a little band that released this extremely influential ep in 1987 with lg petrov on drums and dead on vocals who would go on and front major bands and we all know which. One of the first death metal outputs in my opinion.)
Poison-into the abyss 1986 (not the poppy glam band haha. This was a German blackened thrash band that inspired many Norwegian black metal bands and several extreme bands from germany. Really outlandish stuff and underground)
Amebix-arise! (One of the most influential crust punk albums of all time which was a punk style with extreme vocals with dystopian and apocalyptic themes. I know for sure that this is one of Thomas lindberg's favourite albums and this really inspired darkthrone as well)
Slayer-hell awaits (I don't care what everybody else thinks but this is the first death metal album ever released for me. Although on several songs they flirt with the line between thrash and death metal. It was radically different from what came before and what came after, many of the riffs were tremolo picked and the lyrics were more gory and darker. Necrophiliac is one of my favorite slayer songs and I consider it as the death metal song)
Sepultura-morbid visions (what a radically different album from the rest of the catalogue. This can maybe be considered the first black metal album as its so dark and no thrash chords on this one. The vocals were also quite different with more darker and occult themes. Definitely influential for the black metal scene)
Honorable mentions
Sodom-obsessed by cruelty
Sadus-chemical exposure
Die kreuzen-die kreuzen
Bathory-blood fire death
Bulldozer-the day of wrath
Great list!!! I recently got a copy of December Moon & Into The Abyss on one cd. And that Poison ep is so fucking good!!!! I try to turn anyone on to that that'll listen. It's so ahead of its time.
@@bschuler6216 wow that's so cool!! Must be priceless! Yeah it is so gnarly and vicious for its time.
@@chiragchittar4179 I found a copy cheap on ebay. I think I got it from a seller in Romania or Russia. So happy to finally have a copy!
In fact, after years of looking, I finally scored a copy of Welcome My Final Chapters by Vinterland on cd from a seller on ebay for like $11. I can't believe I finally have this in my collection. It was the golden goose, lost piece, lol.
@@bschuler6216 that's really cool!
I am 45 years old and the first extreme metal album that was ever brought to my attention besides Slayer and Mercyful Fate was by Rigor Mortis ST on Capital Records 1988 and had movie samples from Texas Chainsaw Massacre/ Re-Animator and was still melodic enough to be catchy as hell with extreme sounding guitars and pummeling bass plus Harden Harrison bashing the skins with great production ta boot I don't really know if this is the first metal album with movie samples but it's the first one I ever heard
Show No Mercy was the first "extreme" album I heard. I remember hearing it for the first time at a friend's house ..... we had to take a break before putting side 2 on. We were already familiar with Kill 'em All and had heard a couple of Venom songs but Slayer's music was so extreme to our ears it was exhausting.
I think that first listen would have been Christmas 1983, and we were fans of Kiss, Lizzy, Whitesnake and Maiden so this was a big departure.
Kreator - Pleasure To Kill
Sepultura Schizophrenia
Slayer - Hell Awaits
Bathory - Under The Sign Of The Black Mark
Sodom - Obsessed By Cruelty
Sabbat (UK) - History Of A Time To Come
Possessed - Seven Churches
Dark Angel - Darkness Decends
Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
Destruction - Infernal Overkill
''The Force'' by Onslaught from 1986 has always been a killer album for me, plus they are from Bristol where I have lived for 42 years. Especially the insanely fast Flame of the Antichrist..
Classic extreme thrash..... so criminally underrated. The speed, the thrashing, the insane guitar solos..... amazing
@@BIGRGreenEyes Great to see you agree, I only played it through a couple of days ago. Great recording too. I saw the album launch at the Granary in Bristol..an insane night of mosh pit madness. One crazy guy even leapt of the balcony into the crowd...
Loved the end of the show the most ...the Top 10 songs Sepultura show needs to be moved up on the SoT priority list!
I would LOVE to do that.
Great show!!!!
Looking forward to this as thrash metal is my fave genre. Damn, just get over with workday;)
The Jeff Beccerra interview on Rock Fantasy Files was epic. Its a must see. Is someone going to write his biography? I’d like to.
I know very very little thrash.....this should be revealing👁️
I agree with Rich, Gates Of Purgatory was definitely leaning toward Black Metal, love that album and Walpurgis Night single,
sadly, after guitarist/songwriter Preacher left, they moved away from that sound.
I love that album (including the EP with two other tracks), but I never considered it as black metal. I always considered this album as supped up Judas Priest (or speed metal version of Judas Priest).
I could totally get Wasted and listen to We Are 138 over and over on repeat all night long! 🤘🤘🤘
LMAO Chris at the end : ''how many albums did Soulfly put out? Like 86? I think Max put out 2 records while we filmed this episode''.
5. Darkness Descends - Dark Angel
4. Obsessed By Cruelty - Sodom
3. Pleasure To kill - Kreator
2. Hell Awaits - Slayer
1. 7 Churches - Possessed
Honorable Mention:
Black Metal - Venom
Power From Hell - Onslaught
To Mega Therion - Celtic Frost
Bathory - Bathory
Whatever the bottom left guy says - I agree. Very tough and alive !
I would've loved seeing Martin Popoff in on this, especially when looking at the back of the record covers saying how "heavy" certain bands looked lol. Great show, informative and entertaining. Cheers👍
Thrash that was key to the birth of extreme metal would have to include:
OBVIOUSLY the early Slayer staples (Show No Mercy, Haunting The Chapel, Hell Awaits and Reign In Blood).
In The Sign Of Evil and Obsessed By Cruelty by Sodom - KEY influences to second wave black metal.
Endless Pain and Pleasure to Kill - massive contributors to the onset of death metal which is obvious when you listen to stuff like early Death and Deicide.
Seven Churches is a transitional album - if it came out today it would probably be considered death-thrash but that was the missing link between thrash and death metal and it's well known that Chuck Schuldiner was inspired by it to turn the corner with what would become true death metal on Scream Bloody Gore.
Another album that was NOT a thrash album but that was a huge influence to black and death metal that a lot of people seem to overlook the influence of was Earth A.D. by Misfits - a lot of the more extreme second wave black metal stuff has its DNA all over it.
I don't see Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, Motorhead or Venom as thrash. Bathory is ABSOLUTELY not thrash so I don't think any these bands albums would really fall under "Favorite THRASH Albums That Helped Influence Extreme Metal"
This is an interesting topic but hard to define. But my five picks as of right now would be:
Ritually Abused - Num Skull (1988)
Reign in Blood - Slayer (1986)
Under The Sign of the Black Mark - Bathory (1987)
Seven Churches - Possessed (1985)
Pleasure to Kill- Kreator (1986)
Regarding the discussion:
I never liked Darkness Descends. Its fast and heavy but I find it boring and nothing stands out.
Walls of Jericho is my favorite Helloween album.
that Num Skull album is great. I spaced out and forgot all about that one, but it’s right up there with Demolition Hammer, Morbid Saint and Massacra from France (another really good 80s death metal / thrash band from that era)
Coroner - Death Cult, Mantas (Pre-Death)- Death By Metal, Num Skull- Ritually Abused
Completely agree with Bathory The Return.
"Beyond the Gates" by Possessed.
"Strappado" by Slaughter.
"None Shall Defy" by Infernäl Mäjesty.
"Golem" by Protector.
"Dreamweaver" by Sabbat UK.
Are you all fans of Milwaukee's Last Crack? They are playing again here in Madison, WI soon. They had some cool thrash moves.
I Misread...at first I thought the band name was "Milwaukee's Last Crack" 🤣...duh....
My first band interview was in 1991 with Last Crack. They were opening for Armored Saint and Wratchild America.
This is the only episode (of the monday night show, which i watch on tuesday night as im in england) that i havent bothered to watch, as im not into the subject. Untill now, all eps have been more 'general' and with all the cast. So im a little disappointed to not have the usual great entertainment this time.
Love the fall brawl cap!
I love thrash, but I'm not really a fan of Darkness Descends. I've tried. Lord knows I've tried. It just doesn't have enough melody for me. I have that problem with a lot of Gene Hoglan. Great technical drummer, but he just doesn't move me. I have similar issues with Demolition Hammer.
But I dig Kreator, Sacrifice, Sodom, Infernal Majesty, Repulsion, Onslaught, etc., etc.