It's here, the final Sam Raimi Spider-Man video! Thank you all for your patience, kind words, and support. I hope you enjoy and I hope Sam somehow sees these videos someday. Much Love, Alex
Raimi was given a script and was forced to use Green Goblin in one and Doc Ock in two. He was then forced to do Venom in three because we fans do love Venom. It is Raimi's fault he made him suck and cast him wrong. Getting mad at Avi for telling Raimi to use Venom is like getting made at a pizza store owner for telling his chief to buy plenty of pepperoni for the store because people love pepperoni. And when the manager orders crappy pepperoni and barely puts any on the pizza, you'd have us blame the owner for making the chief use those ingredients. Good for Avi who stuck up for the fans and wanted to bring us Venom, shame on Raimi for miscasting him, writing him poorly, barely giving him screen time, and making him suck. You people want to give Raimi a pass and it's bullshit.
It’s literally Spider-Man forgiving the man who essentially took his life away from him, everything that has ever happened to Spider-Man or to peter because of Spider-Man is because of him, but he still forgives him Nuff said
The man that Peter is, the man that is Spiderman, exists due to the fault of one man. Peter bases his entire life around pursuing a Manhattan where no other person loses their own "Uncle Ben." And after great personal struggle and grief, he is able to look at the man that pulled his perception of the world apart, and forgive him. Yeah, it's pretty powerful.
It bums me out that people have actually said to Sam Raimi’s face that they hate him. As The Green Goblin said “In spite of everything you’ve done for them, eventually they’ll hate you.”
Despite Spider-Man 3 being a mess of a movie and a drop in quality from the first two, I feel really bad for Raimi and others that worked on it. Studio interference can really screw with a film. All-in-all, I still enjoy Spider-Man 3 because it is hilarious and still carries the fun campiness of the first two.
I could never hate Sam, it really wasn’t his fault Spider-Man 3 turned out the way it did. The studio and producers just had a different vision then him and I’d imagine as a creator that must just drain any bit of ambition or motivation to make a great film. It’s not like he didn’t make the first 2 films which are amazing. Some people are really just petty.
@UCJKPf9GynWwZU0rdz3Di2TA I mean that’s kind of why I respect him, it didn’t matter how much money Sony threw at him he wasn’t gonna make the movie they wanted. How could he be expected to put full effort into a movie that was completely different then the movie he’s been envisioning since Spider-Man 2? I don’t disagree that he didn’t put his full effort into the film but there was a very clear reason behind why he did that and I can’t blame him for feeling discouraged and defeated during the making of the film. It’s just easy to see the quality difference between the first 2 films and the 3rd because Sam genuinely wanted to make those films but with 3 his heart just wasn’t in it and that reflects in the final product.
Honestly May's reaction to Peter saying sandman was dead gives a lot of emotion. It kinda gives the impression that she knows he's Spider-Man. And her reaction gives the shock that she has to take in that her child "killed" sandman
She figured out he's Spider-Man in the bank in 2. She pieced it together when she saw him run away and she never brings that up to him. Talks shit to Spider-Man. Then goes on to give him that speach in the backyard.
I just cried like a bitch when Peter apologized to Harry, and Harry told him that none of the wrongs he did mattered. I wasn't prepared for that, and I have no idea why that hit me so hard lol.
S-M 1: "I'm Spider-Man, and I must reject everything to safe keep those I care about" S-M 2: "I just want to be happy, and have nice things, but my responsibility is bigger than me, but maybe some people are able to choose for themselves if they want to be closer to me, knowing how dangerous it is." S-M 3: "I Don't know who I am anymore. I lost and manipulated my best friend, I degraded and then lost the love of my life, and let my pride and anger and hatred consume me. I almost killed people intentionally. I've lost touch with myself to the point that, I barely recognize my own reflection"
DD Chittick definitely think it has some flaws, but i did absolutely love it. It had great character development, great action with an awesome story. Definitely not as bad as people say.
I love Spiderman 3. I love the entire Trilogy, i miss not being able to see spiderman 4. But I don't hate Sam Rami. Not by a long shot. Thank you Mr Rami, thank you for making a fantastic film and a fantastic love letter to the spider man comics.
I like how you're looking into MJ's point of view, most fans say she was poorly written but it only looks that way because we see Peter's point of view. I like how you looked into the point of the view of the characters that most fans ignore
Something I noticed about Eddie is that he shoots with a DSLR, something fast and easier, it’s a shortcut. Peter shoots on film, a process that takes longer to get better results, it’s more honesty in this pictures
Viktor Reznov oh I’ve seen that video, great video, I love that the director is pretty much nitpicking his own movie LOL, I love David Sandberg, he’s a fantastic director. He’s a great inspiration to me as a young filmmaker
It's crazy because at the time DSLRs weren't big. they were for sure starting to grow in use but at the time there were still tons photographers using film.
"You're serious aren't you? You're telling us you actually like all three Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies?" *MOMENTS LATER* "You're laughing. Peter's dancing and you're laughing."
What do you get, when you cross a filmmaker with his own vision, and a studio that wants popular characters shoved in the film!? You get this: th-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/w-d-xo.html
Spider-Man 1- Responsibility Spider-Man 2- Choice Spider-Man 3- Studio meddling, too many villains, incoherent editing, character regression, zero heart, Crap, but not Rami's fault.
@@alfredgarcia6844 I'm jealous because it was a severe let down for me, and I love the first two Spider-Man movies. If Rami was left alone to make the movie he wanted it would have been great, but I will never forgive Sony for ruining Spider-Man 3.
Also, I find the “damn door!” an underrated bit of symbolism. When we are introduced to the Door, MJ is struggling to get through. She mentions that it keeps getting in her way, making it difficult for her to reach Peter. See where I’m going with this? The Door symbolizes the way Peter is keeping himself, his true self, from others. People - Mary Jane, Aunt May, even Ursula - have to work to get into his room, to get to *Peter.* When Peter is under the influence of the Symbiote, consumed by his ego and convinced he is right above all others, he yells at the landlord: “You’ll get your rent when you fix this *damn door!”* He is convinced that the barrier between himself and others is not his responsibility to fix, that others owe it to him to fix it for him (I know that it’s the landlord’s job to fix stuff on the property they rent out, but I’m looking at this from a purely symbolic perspective, not a literal one). When MJ wants to talk to Peter after it is revealed that his uncle’s killer is still at large, she goes to his room, working her way past the Door. When Aunt May is worried about him and gives him the talk about forgiving himself, she again goes to his room, pushing through the Door. However, at the end of the movie, once Peter has reopened himself to others, he reaches out to Mary Jane, leaving his room, going past the Door to see Mary Jane, taking it upon himself to reach her.
i wont be surprised that this symbolism is intentionally there to represent how you described it. every set piece i believe has its reason with sam raimi and i love how we can see more despite seeing it million times already
LMAO Liar! You were crying because you were so enamoured with your clip! You're just like Eddie really, you need to learn to be more like HiTop Films - To not get so wrapped up in your ego, and also, forgive once in awhile for Pete's sake.
Young Smitty E-rod did a whole video on what Spidey 4 was going to be. Ben Kingsley as Vulture. Anne Hathaway as Felicia. No Mary Jane in the film which makes sense because he embarrassed her in this movie. I do not see how she could forgive him for it. Finally the Lizard too. Also making Felicia the daughter of the Vulture and the Vultress not the Black Cat. WTF!
Spider-Man 1: One last swing after he refused to be with the love of his life. Spider-Man 2: One last swing after he has gotten with The love of his life and finally gotten everything he ever wanted. Spider-Man 3: A slow dance with the love of his life after he has lost almost everything in his life. These movies are art
Spider-Man 1: "With great power comes great responsibility." Spider-Man 2: "With no power comes no responsibility." Spider-Man 3: "With great power comes the freedom to put some dirt in your eye."
Did he, though? He lost his best friend, yeah. But he still has Mary Jane, Aunt May, his job, his apartment and most importantly, closure for his Uncle’s death. I would just say he has a slow dance with the love of his life after he survived a hero’s journey. Saying he lost everything in his life is a little too much.
despite being pressured into dipping venom into the story, sam surprisingly made this movie... pretty well, despite his lack of knowledge and interest in venom, he STILL managed to make the movie hold up to some extent and i honestly respect him even more for that
"Kirsten Dunst agreed to do the third film with the condition that Mary Jane did not serve as a damsel in distress in the third act. This was agreed upon by executives and Sam Raimi; originally the climax involved Eddie Brock kidnapping Gwen Stacy and holding her hostage, as he was sure that Peter was in love with Gwen. Mary Jane still played a big part in the climax with her most notable cut scene: Mary Jane went to Harry and made a passionate speech about forgiveness, prompting him to go and help Peter. This scene was filmed, and some of the dialogue can be heard in the trailers (”We’ve all done terrible things to each other, but we have to forgive each other. Or everything we ever were will mean nothing... On the DVD commentary, Sam Raimi commented further on changing the ending, saying that in order to finish the film on time, they had to rewrite things to put Mary Jane in danger. He admitted that telling Kirsten Dunst was one of the hardest things he’d done in a long time in the movie making business. Aside from this, many scenes were either written or filmed and cut from the finished product.." The production of the climax scenes of Mary Jane being in peril left Kirsten Dunst very depressed and exhausted and she soon entered rehab for depression when she wrapped the spider-man 3 promo tour.
Man, there is so much that the movie had to offer! Why is it being presented more than a decade later?! It's so unfair, especially to everyone who worked on the film who clearly were giving it their all.
Dude, I feel so bad for Sam.... somebody seriously needs to tell him how much of an impact he has made in all our lives, and show him this video too :)
That intro breaks my heart. Sam Raimi did his absolute best with this film even with all the crap he had to juggle just to make this film work. That alone deserves praise. I really hope Raimi sees the resurgent love for Spider-Man 3 and realizes that not everyone hated what he did and that even those who don't like this movie recognize that it is not his fault the film turned out the way it did.
I find good that people after a decade are starting to appreciate this movie more Cause really understanding what Raimi was aiming for makes 3 better imo
@@jay2chill134 I went trough kinda the same thing. I was about 9 and I didn't hear of TASM 1 till it came out. Originally my 9 years old self thought this was Spider-Man 4. But 10 mins into the movie I was like "Who the hell is this guy?" I still loved the movie tough. Wasn't as good as the Raimis, but it was still great.
@@Hornetog9vp Just cause a filmaker loves what they are doing doesn't mean they still can't make a bad film. Tommy Wiseau loved the room and that film sucked. But I would rather have bad films that come from the heart and love of the filmaker than meh films that come from the demands of a studio.
I remember I watched it when I was 7, and i was sick asf, but for the 2 hours that I was in the theater I didn't cough once lol I was so mesmerized by the movie
HiTop Films such a raimi shill spiderman 3 by no merits is a goood spiderman film im cringing in my seat and im gonna unsub for this. Spiderman 2 is great but not “perfect” using the WORD PERFECT is too much dude!
@@freegucci4380 you are not completely wrong . But hitop films made some really good points and I appreciate the 3rd movie ever more. its not perfect , But it was an enjoyable movie and was a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy loved by everyone around the world . ONE LAST THING , there is no reason for you to unsubscribe from this channel for such a silly reason
I think the reason people don't love spiderman 3 is because it had cliches...if you aren't a media nut aka known to watch shows movies books then the plot is fine but obviously if you do your tired of the amnesia trope love triangle redemption of bff turned bad guy arc forgiveness and aliens mixed with cliche bully so because of all that in 1 film then it probably annoys you cause it adds nothing new...its kinda popcorn movie making by the numbers...kids loved it
*Middle school me:* having a panic attack on the way to the theater because we were running late and I thought I was going to miss the opening credits.
Harry dying and then reflecting on his and peters friendship is what really got to me. Thinking about all the mistakes they made and in the end reaching forgiveness is enough to make a grown man cry.
Sam Raimi *"Creates two masterpiece Spiderman films"* *Follows it up with a great but slightly inferior movie* Everyone hates him now. *"In spite of everything you've done for them eventually, they will hate you"*
I just re-watched this, and it was so emotionally powerful and poignant. Harry's death calling Peter his best friend, Aunt May recounting the story of Uncle Ben proposing to her on the beach and her thinking the ring was "the sun", Peter forgiving Sandman for killing Uncle Ben. The acting, the writing, all so good. Yes, obviously the dance scenes and mascara are absolute memes, but man still so good.
The scene where Peter tells Aunt May that Spider-Man killed Sandman is even more heartbreaking when you realize that Spider-Man 2 implied that she knows his secret identity. She’s seeing the man she raised happily tell her that he killed a man.
@@volt3091 It is implied in the scene where she gives the "I believe there's a hero in all of us" speech in Spider-Man 2, after Peter gives up on being Spider-Man.
its implied VEEEERY heavily that she knows in spiderman 2.mainly in the scene when peter admits that in a way he killed her husband.and when she gave her speech to him after thaat.
When he's like "I'm dating your daughter" and doesn't seem to acknowledge she's about to die,. I always thought that was just poor lifleess acting but the sociopath thing works as an explanation even better
The only bad actor in the scene is Gwen’s father. Eddie is a sociopath, OK, but her father doesn’t seem to really care that his daughter is hanging from 80 stories and if about to die.
@@alexman378 I guess you could say since he's a police captain, he's more used to these kinds of intense situations, but it's still definitely not strong enough an excuse.
I'm glad you mentioned the symbiote being a metaphor for substance abuse. It was something I never thought about as a kid of course, but when I got older and went through my own trials with addiction, it really connected with me all these years later. I'm glad it was included, I just wish it was specific to Spiderman/Peter, THEN maybe Eddie in the possible 4th movie.
That scene affected me on such a personnel level that I think it turned me against the death penalty. Seeing Peter change from this beacon of light and hope into this arrogant, hate filled douche freaked me out so much as a kid that I don't want to see it in other people.
Sam Raimi: You know what? I'd like to make Spider-man movies for the rest of my life, with you in the front row Literally anyone with half a brain: I'll be there
Spider-Man 3 is definitely one of those movies I have see-sawed on over the years, but there is a beating heart at its core that brings me back to it again and again. I love the story that Sam and Ivan Raimi and Alvin Sargent decided to tell and think it still shines through in the final product in spite of the film's messy screenplay. Ego, humility and forgiveness - these are classic Spider-Man themes and make for a satisfying conclusion to an overall amazing trilogy and some of my favourite movies ever.
32:40 It always hits hard when I watch this, after Aunt May says "You start by doing the hardest thing..." I assume she is going to say "You apologize." But instead she says "You forgive yourself". Damn, that's just so good.
The third act of this film is the best part of this film. I love how Peter finally gets closure, was able to admit to the bad things he's done. Harry forgave Peter for what happened to his father. Both were able to let go of that vengeance they've been carrying throughout the trilogy. That's what I love about this film.
30:20 yea... that whole offscreen development of him losing his mind was in the original 3 hour cut and novelization. He was losing his shit quickly, he saw his dad in the car he drove away in, his Butler was never really there, crazy stuff. #releasetheraimicut let’s get that 3 hour cut
German Castillo there is a twitter hashtag called #releasetheraimicut and an acct that released all kinds of photos, deleted shots, and bits from the Novelization. They even interviewed a producer that played Penny’s doctor originally and he said the film was originally 3 hours and Sam Raimi apologized for cutting him out
Great video again. I want to add to your analysis of the church scene too, and the impact of the meaning of Peter saying "You want forgiveness? Get religion." After the Jazz club scene, and after Peter realizes what he's become, he's broken, and wants to repent for what he's done as well. He doesn't just go to a bell tower to get rid of the symbiote. He goes to church to repent. The same church Eddie is at, and we see a contrast here in what the core difference between Eddie and Peter is. They both go to church, but for different reasons. EDIT: Just finished watching the video. Thank you for making this series. You really helped me rediscover why I love Spider-Man so much in a time when I wasn't really sure about myself.
The scene where Peter hits MJ always gets to me. So caught up in yourself and not focusing on others until reality hits you in the face (no pun intended). When you really realize that you’ve fucked up and need to change. Brilliant scene. Great video HiTop Films
@@craftymasterproductions4218 I once found an essay (can't remember where though) about The Room and how Lisa is one of the best, most well developed and manipulative villains ever. It was quite amusing within context but out of context, it does make it sound like a cinematic masterpiece!
Its quite true and sad as well. Marvel really had the chance to make their definitive take on Spider-Man and they just butchered it, imo. The movies are fun but they never really feel like authentic Spider-Man films. The writers just completely misunderstood what Spider-Man is all about, they removed the essence, the spirit of the character. By making Peter's development so intrinsically attached to Iron Man, they stripped him of his agency and independence. His economic struggles have also been erased, in favour of fancy suits from Stark. Aunt May is just a male fantasy in these films and the most important supporting characters like Mary Jane Watson, Harry Osborn, Betty Brant etc have been completely changed or turned into comic relief.
@@cosmicdream17 they do suck, but to be fair, it was always gonna be a tough nut to crack to have a genuine, human, relatable take on Spider-Man in a world where there's an alien invasion every sunday and Peter is Tony's intern..
I just want to admit one thing. When I was watching this video and he's talking about harry forgiving pete and he said thats fucking good. I actually got hype seeing them back together as friends. After watching this video, it makes me love this movie more
Spiderman 3 was always my favorite as a kid, I loved laughing at Bully Maguire every time I watched it, but every time I see it now and listening to Raimi's commentary on his plans before venom was forced into the movie, I genuinely think it would've easily topped 2 as Raimi's masterpiece,
I cry every time Harry says none of that matters, you are my friend, he doesn’t care that he is dying, he forgets everything even his own death just because of their friendship.
BattleUp Saber the 4th film would have made Felicia as the Vultress. Not the Black Cat. The Lizard and the Vulture might have been good but making Felicia into the Vultress is stupid.
@@captcrais101 I think Raimi would've found a way to make sense of it. He did a good job making villains, even in the 3rd film where there were way too many enemies. Most of them made sense.
25:45. I gasped. I forgot the shock of this scene, and I was teary eyed for a moment just reflecting on how grateful I am that I grew up with these movies, and the powerful themes of growth, empathy and humble simplicity that I couldn't quite understand at the time. What a beautiful story this was, watching Peter wound those he loved the most and then look into the mirror and face the ugly face that he saw in it, and then have the humility to forgive himself, and fight to make right his wrongs. After his dearest friend forgives him and gives his life for him, he gains the perspective and humility to look Sandman in the eyes and realize that he is no better than this man that he hated, and forgives him courageously. You've done a fantastic job analyzing this movie that I loved as a boy, and love even moreso as a man. Great work, and God bless you.
Not a day goes by that my heart doesn’t ache over the fact that Raimi never got to make his Spider-Man 4. I’m sure it would have been amazing, the best Spider-Man movie ever made.
It's kinda sad because Craven was going to be in the movie he was going to team up with Spiderman to take on Rino and Crocodile and I think they was going to try to squeeze in Scorpion. The suits looked amazing and they had a robotic tiger for Craven that looked so real.
And they actually had a full body suit that almost looked like Rinos custom in the cartoons and the Rino actually shared the same weakness as he did in the cartoon were he can get over heated because he cant sweat out of body except his exposed face.
Makes me cry too! Every time I watch that scene I realise just how much I wanted SM 4 and how Harry's death would have pushed Peter to become a much more mature Spider-Man.... Fuck Sony for cancelling it
@@melvinsamson5684 I’m honestly kind of glad we didn’t get a fourth film. Spider-Man 3 ended the trilogy perfectly, and I wouldn’t want to see these characters and archs dragged out longer than they need to be. Don’t get me wrong, I’d be beyond excited if they made a fourth one, but I’m happy with the three that we got.
@@domphilbrick I respect your opinion, but I'll have to disagree. It was a good ending, but it left a lot of loose strings for instance- Peter n MJ's relationship was now left in the blue, open to interpretation as to how they'd manage after everything they went through, and how both would cope with Harry's death, Besides, Raimi was setting up so much for more films - Bruce Campbell as Mysterio who appeared in a lot of places in the trilogy without Peter ever recognizing him, Dr. Connor's relationship with Peter and the lizard diagram on his study wall which was gearing up for the film in which he becomes the Lizard
I think if they had just saved Venom to be the main villain for 4, the film could have been perfect. Peter could have discovered the symbiote in 3, used it against Sandman to get revenge, and then used it against Harry--scarring his face like he did in the actual film. However, upon seeing his friend permanently disfigured due to his actions, he realizes that the suit has blinded him with rage, just as Harry was blinded with rage by the death of his father. Peter would then get rid of the suit, and have one more fight with Harry, before helping Harry realize the truth: regardless of what they have put each other through, they are still best friends, and vengeance is not the way to solve their problems in life. By that point, they could bring Sandman down together, or maybe Harry sacrifices himself in some way, or maybe (still hearing the Goblin in his head), Harry decides to enter a psychiatric hospital to heal his mind so he'll no longer be a danger to Peter or anyone else. The film could then show the symbiote attaching itself to Eddie's clothing, while Peter and MJ dance and decide to mend their relationship, like in the actual film.
"You'll get your rent when you fix this damn door!" but then the landlord says "he's...good boy". the landlord doesn't shout back at peter or kicks him out, rather he still remembers how good peter is, and doesn't get mad at him, and realizes that peter was just having a bad day. something about the way he said that just hit home with me, he still believes peter is a good person.
@@misterNicarus she really was, they had such a beautiful bond. I don't think I've ever cried at a film but the closest I've come has been when she's on screen
I've watched your entire series on the Raimi trilogy now, and it's almost uncanny how much I agree with all your points; it's like you've managed to put my own thoughts on these movies into words far more eloquently and comprehensively than I ever could myself - especially in regard to the third one. These are genuinely some of the best video essays I've ever seen on TH-cam!
Yeah well it’s hated because it’s a terrible movie! Not as bad as Justice League or Origins Wolverine or even The Amazing Spider-Man 2 but still terrible! They completely ruined Venom, they ruined Gwen Stacy, Bryce Dallas Howard really sucked at playing her, I didn’t like Emma Stones version either but at least that version served some purpose. It’s just not a good movie.
The way raimi talks, the love he shows for the character and the fact that he had a 4th installment and will never be able to show it. I can’t imagine how much grief and sadness he’s going through
It’s probably for the better. Though most ppl (wrongly) think the franchise ended on a low note, a 4th film would really tarnish what was an amazingly coherent, satisfying trilogy (you know, like what they’re trying to do with The Matrix 😒)
Holy hell this movie was truly an almost masterpiece. Can you imagine if they made a superhero movie about struggling with addiction and forgiveness. Hollywood HATES forgiveness.
Apparently, there was enough material left on the cutting room floor to make two movies (especially with scenes devoted to more character development for Harry, Sandman, and Venom). If fans could get the Snyder cut of Justice League released, what's to say we can't get Sony to release the Raimi cut of Spider-man 3?
Same here, made me think of my whole life and my upbringing, when this came out. Very emotional indeed, Hitop you´re the man! Thanks for the time and effort making this!
It's because we know Raimi can do better. We saw his first two films. They were great. If this film didn't have so many things happening and so many villains, it would have been a much simpler story. It may not have been better than spiderman 2 but it would still be a very good film. It just got bogged down by too many storylines.
@@AshwinBhalekar Because of Sony. They diluted the actual plot with the Sandman and Peter struggling to forgive his uncle's real killer. Just because Sony REAAAALLY wanted that fucking Venom movie, which they got and it was mediocre at best.
I can say without a doubt that prior to the leaks telling us how Sony messed with the script that Raimi got a ton of shit tossed at him. And how were we to know better? We didn't and couldn't have. It wasn't until Raimi came forward with the explanation months later, with some cast/crew confirming it, that we got a better idea of why the film felt so disjointed compared to the first two films.
I grew up watching these 3 movies hundreds of times. I love spiderman 3. It wasn’t perfect but it did make me feel emotions at harrys death scene. And I think it’s a good movie.
"-I'd like to sing on stage for the rest of my life, with you on first line - I'll be there" That's exactly what happened on the final scene of the movie. I know it's just a bar stage and not brodway's but he always BE THERE. Sam Raimi did it, he's genius. PS: omg i'm tearing up so hard RN, I'll love this trilogy till death too
@@johnaldbrillten8930 Watching, waiting, commiserating Say it ain't so, I will not go Turn the lights off, carry me home!! Spiderman+pizza time+blink182 sounds great
This brought tears to my eyes. Ive always noticed some of the symbolism in Spiderman 3, but you just took that to a whole new level. Now I need to watch it again just so I can appreciate the effort in it. Oh, and Sam Raimi's trilogy still reigns supreme as the best Spiderman. Your 3 part series make a very good case why
It's here, the final Sam Raimi Spider-Man video! Thank you all for your patience, kind words, and support. I hope you enjoy and I hope Sam somehow sees these videos someday.
Much Love,
Alex
HiTop Films nice.
Hi hitop
HiTop Films Finally!
Love these mate, all the spider-man videos you've done and the rest! keep it up pal
Thank you
I hate the fact that Raimi blames himself for Sony’s mistakes
@Platinum The Masculinity I hate that idiots told Sam Raimi they hate him for Spider-Man 3 like the movie was bad or something.
It is "NOT" Raimi's fault in anyway, he did all he could and had too much to handle with other things aside from making the movie.
MynameisnotJ J did u not watch the video? Sony and Avi Arad forced him to add venom to the film
Avi Arad is our enemy.
Raimi was given a script and was forced to use Green Goblin in one and Doc Ock in two. He was then forced to do Venom in three because we fans do love Venom. It is Raimi's fault he made him suck and cast him wrong. Getting mad at Avi for telling Raimi to use Venom is like getting made at a pizza store owner for telling his chief to buy plenty of pepperoni for the store because people love pepperoni. And when the manager orders crappy pepperoni and barely puts any on the pizza, you'd have us blame the owner for making the chief use those ingredients. Good for Avi who stuck up for the fans and wanted to bring us Venom, shame on Raimi for miscasting him, writing him poorly, barely giving him screen time, and making him suck.
You people want to give Raimi a pass and it's bullshit.
The “I forgive you” hits insanely hard when you really think about it
Amen
It’s literally Spider-Man forgiving the man who essentially took his life away from him, everything that has ever happened to Spider-Man or to peter because of Spider-Man is because of him, but he still forgives him
Nuff said
It's easily forgiven considering amazing 2. That sandman scene is better then homecoming and the amazing franchise!
@VelvetPictures Bruh facts
The man that Peter is, the man that is Spiderman, exists due to the fault of one man. Peter bases his entire life around pursuing a Manhattan where no other person loses their own "Uncle Ben." And after great personal struggle and grief, he is able to look at the man that pulled his perception of the world apart, and forgive him.
Yeah, it's pretty powerful.
It bums me out that people have actually said to Sam Raimi’s face that they hate him. As The Green Goblin said “In spite of everything you’ve done for them, eventually they’ll hate you.”
Despite Spider-Man 3 being a mess of a movie and a drop in quality from the first two, I feel really bad for Raimi and others that worked on it. Studio interference can really screw with a film.
All-in-all, I still enjoy Spider-Man 3 because it is hilarious and still carries the fun campiness of the first two.
I could never hate Sam, it really wasn’t his fault Spider-Man 3 turned out the way it did. The studio and producers just had a different vision then him and I’d imagine as a creator that must just drain any bit of ambition or motivation to make a great film. It’s not like he didn’t make the first 2 films which are amazing. Some people are really just petty.
@UCJKPf9GynWwZU0rdz3Di2TA I mean that’s kind of why I respect him, it didn’t matter how much money Sony threw at him he wasn’t gonna make the movie they wanted. How could he be expected to put full effort into a movie that was completely different then the movie he’s been envisioning since Spider-Man 2? I don’t disagree that he didn’t put his full effort into the film but there was a very clear reason behind why he did that and I can’t blame him for feeling discouraged and defeated during the making of the film. It’s just easy to see the quality difference between the first 2 films and the 3rd because Sam genuinely wanted to make those films but with 3 his heart just wasn’t in it and that reflects in the final product.
People suck.
Holy shit didn't notice it that they should be mad at the producers
Honestly May's reaction to Peter saying sandman was dead gives a lot of emotion. It kinda gives the impression that she knows he's Spider-Man. And her reaction gives the shock that she has to take in that her child "killed" sandman
I thought so too. Her face reactions always implied she knew who he was.
@@Susiebanks not to mention her speech in Spider-Man 2 about hope in the backyard, that for me made it obvious that she knew
Y 10:06 😮
This this this
She figured out he's Spider-Man in the bank in 2. She pieced it together when she saw him run away and she never brings that up to him. Talks shit to Spider-Man. Then goes on to give him that speach in the backyard.
I love how Norman dies trying to kill peter and harry dies saving peter showing how Harry in the end rose above his father
YOURE MAKING ME CRY HARDER
Dude this comment is FAX
Harry said he would give his life for his friends , and did so.
I loved Spiderman 3.
I just cried like a bitch when Peter apologized to Harry, and Harry told him that none of the wrongs he did mattered. I wasn't prepared for that, and I have no idea why that hit me so hard lol.
His death still fucking sucked ass. They killed him off in one of the worst fucking movies imaginable
Never seen a TH-camr empathize with behind the scenes like this. Everyone just attacks films and directors. Very original and amazing.
Hey
Okay well this is at 420 likes and I don’t wanna mess it up so this is my like 👍
check out Lorerunner then
Yes
@@bonnieisdisappointedinyou2599 why are you disappointed in me ;-;
Sony: Put Venom in the movie
Sam Rami: Am I not allowed to have what I want, what I need?
Sony: get back on the horse
It's actually "Am I not suppose to have what I want what I need",but it was close.
I miss the part where that's my problem
Sony: This isn’t about you, this is about me. Try to understand that.
Raimi: Do you know how much I sacrificed!
There’s not a bone in my body that’s capable of ever hating Sam Raimi. The man created art that means far too much to me to ever hate him.
HiTop, This puts a tear to my eye.
You don't have to pay rent this month.
What about me?
@@applehazeva2739 oh boy yeah
@Stephen Bales I'll pay the rent when you fix this ¡¡dam door!!
Like hell i want my rent now
Does that mean you can fix this damn door?
Spider-Man 1
“Who am I?”
“I’m Spider-Man”
Spider-Man 3
“Who are you?”
“I don’t know”
Damn that’s powerful
IKR
Who are you?
You Know who I am
Who are you?
I don't know
S-M 1: "I'm Spider-Man, and I must reject everything to safe keep those I care about"
S-M 2: "I just want to be happy, and have nice things, but my responsibility is bigger than me, but maybe some people are able to choose for themselves if they want to be closer to me, knowing how dangerous it is."
S-M 3: "I Don't know who I am anymore. I lost and manipulated my best friend, I degraded and then lost the love of my life, and let my pride and anger and hatred consume me. I almost killed people intentionally. I've lost touch with myself to the point that, I barely recognize my own reflection"
Tom Holland Spiderman: Who am I?
Tony Stark: You're my bitch, here's your suit and do my job
If only it was done well
Sony: Add Venom.
Raimi - No, I don't think--
Sony - NO ONE SAYS NO TO ME!!
😂
"DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED"
"okay jeeze ill put him in"
😂👍
It’s you who’s out Sony, out of your MIND!
Avi Arad's a joke.
This movie is proof that the worst thing a studio can do is interfere with the creative process
Can we just take a second to appreciate the amount of effort this man has put into making this video?
300th like of this comment.
No.
Right? I´m binge watching! Love the three episodes, they are absolute gold!
DD Chittick definitely think it has some flaws, but i did absolutely love it. It had great character development, great action with an awesome story. Definitely not as bad as people say.
LiamPeffer Yes we can.
Sony: Put venom in the movie
Sam Raimi: Thats outrageous.. done
Perfection
and even though he didn’t want to, it wasn’t that bad
You make it sound like he had a choice.
Rami: F*ck where the Black Air forces at?
No Mr. Raimi, we don't hate you. In fact, I could easily say we love you for the amazing trilogy you brought us.
All my Homies love Sam Raimi
All my Homies hate Avi Arad
I love Spiderman 3. I love the entire Trilogy, i miss not being able to see spiderman 4. But I don't hate Sam Rami. Not by a long shot. Thank you Mr Rami, thank you for making a fantastic film and a fantastic love letter to the spider man comics.
Yes
You should have thought that earlier.
Yes he made my childhood 🥺
I like how you're looking into MJ's point of view, most fans say she was poorly written but it only looks that way because we see Peter's point of view. I like how you looked into the point of the view of the characters that most fans ignore
I agree
Something I noticed about Eddie is that he shoots with a DSLR, something fast and easier, it’s a shortcut.
Peter shoots on film, a process that takes longer to get better results, it’s more honesty in this pictures
Gonna love these small details, not everyone notice and when you find out about them, it makes your favorite movies even greater :3
You both might want to watch this first
th-cam.com/video/mzNS4U_aE28/w-d-xo.html
toongrowner1 I totally agree, it’s another key that can show you how much the director cares for his vision
Viktor Reznov oh I’ve seen that video, great video, I love that the director is pretty much nitpicking his own movie LOL, I love David Sandberg, he’s a fantastic director. He’s a great inspiration to me as a young filmmaker
It's crazy because at the time DSLRs weren't big. they were for sure starting to grow in use but at the time there were still tons photographers using film.
Murray: Let me get this straight. You think that Spider-man 3 is a good movie?
Joker: I do. And I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Lmao😂😂
"You're serious aren't you? You're telling us you actually like all three Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies?"
*MOMENTS LATER*
"You're laughing. Peter's dancing and you're laughing."
What do you get, when you cross a filmmaker with his own vision, and a studio that wants popular characters shoved in the film!?
You get this: th-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/w-d-xo.html
@@thebatmanfan1309 respect
@@thebatmanfan1309 Thats funny .
Spider Man 1- Responsibility
Spider Man 2- Choice
Spider Man 3- Forgiveness
Spot on
Spider-Man 1- Responsibility
Spider-Man 2- Choice
Spider-Man 3- Studio meddling, too many villains, incoherent editing, character regression, zero heart, Crap, but not Rami's fault.
@@diallo1347 Shit ton of studio meddling sure, but imho, Spider Man 3 is still a masterpiece
@@alfredgarcia6844 I'm jealous because it was a severe let down for me, and I love the first two Spider-Man movies. If Rami was left alone to make the movie he wanted it would have been great, but I will never forgive Sony for ruining Spider-Man 3.
@@diallo1347 Neither will I, but imo, Raimi was still able to pull off a perfect conclusion to his trilogy. I respect your opinion, though
Also, I find the “damn door!” an underrated bit of symbolism.
When we are introduced to the Door, MJ is struggling to get through. She mentions that it keeps getting in her way, making it difficult for her to reach Peter. See where I’m going with this?
The Door symbolizes the way Peter is keeping himself, his true self, from others. People - Mary Jane, Aunt May, even Ursula - have to work to get into his room, to get to *Peter.*
When Peter is under the influence of the Symbiote, consumed by his ego and convinced he is right above all others, he yells at the landlord: “You’ll get your rent when you fix this *damn door!”* He is convinced that the barrier between himself and others is not his responsibility to fix, that others owe it to him to fix it for him (I know that it’s the landlord’s job to fix stuff on the property they rent out, but I’m looking at this from a purely symbolic perspective, not a literal one).
When MJ wants to talk to Peter after it is revealed that his uncle’s killer is still at large, she goes to his room, working her way past the Door. When Aunt May is worried about him and gives him the talk about forgiving himself, she again goes to his room, pushing through the Door. However, at the end of the movie, once Peter has reopened himself to others, he reaches out to Mary Jane, leaving his room, going past the Door to see Mary Jane, taking it upon himself to reach her.
beautiful
@@saint698 thanks!
i wont be surprised that this symbolism is intentionally there to represent how you described it. every set piece i believe has its reason with sam raimi and i love how we can see more despite seeing it million times already
Damn I never thought that man ,it just feels like something funny but that really deep
All that and it’s also a hilarious meme, tonal, balance....
I almost cried at the end, absolutely incredible how much the films have inspired people everywhere.
LMAO Liar! You were crying because you were so enamoured with your clip! You're just like Eddie really, you need to learn to be more like HiTop Films - To not get so wrapped up in your ego, and also, forgive once in awhile for Pete's sake.
Tornado Chaser stfu you extra chromosomed twat
@@tornadochaser2457 this has to be sarcastic
@@npctoby9220 You'd think right?! Browntable needs to get it together. For starters, he should turn that orange table in the thumbnail to brown.
Gonna cry?
Sam Raimi: but what about my Vulture?
Sony: You'll get your Vulture when you make this damn film!
What about my Vulture? Did you give him a chance? Did you?!
@@justNewo ANSWER ME 😂
@@justNewo what does it matter to you anyway??!?!,!
Young Smitty E-rod did a whole video on what Spidey 4 was going to be. Ben Kingsley as Vulture. Anne Hathaway as Felicia. No Mary Jane in the film which makes sense because he embarrassed her in this movie. I do not see how she could forgive him for it. Finally the Lizard too. Also making Felicia the daughter of the Vulture and the Vultress not the Black Cat. WTF!
Don't worry, at least Homecoming has Vulture in it.
Spider-Man 1: One last swing after he refused to be with the love of his life.
Spider-Man 2: One last swing after he has gotten with The love of his life and finally gotten everything he ever wanted.
Spider-Man 3: A slow dance with the love of his life after he has lost almost everything in his life.
These movies are art
spider-man3 one last swing at mj's jaw.
Spider-Man 1: "With great power comes great responsibility."
Spider-Man 2: "With no power comes no responsibility."
Spider-Man 3: "With great power comes the freedom to put some dirt in your eye."
Did he, though? He lost his best friend, yeah. But he still has Mary Jane, Aunt May, his job, his apartment and most importantly, closure for his Uncle’s death. I would just say he has a slow dance with the love of his life after he survived a hero’s journey. Saying he lost everything in his life is a little too much.
@@kingbasti23 No doubt about it, and he gets punch after punch from his enemies and everyone that hates him, he suffers a lot.
despite being pressured into dipping venom into the story, sam surprisingly made this movie... pretty well, despite his lack of knowledge and interest in venom, he STILL managed to make the movie hold up to some extent and i honestly respect him even more for that
"Kirsten Dunst agreed to do the third film with the condition that Mary Jane did not serve as a damsel in distress in the third act. This was agreed upon by executives and Sam Raimi; originally the climax involved Eddie Brock kidnapping Gwen Stacy and holding her hostage, as he was sure that Peter was in love with Gwen. Mary Jane still played a big part in the climax with her most notable cut scene: Mary Jane went to Harry and made a passionate speech about forgiveness, prompting him to go and help Peter. This scene was filmed, and some of the dialogue can be heard in the trailers (”We’ve all done terrible things to each other, but we have to forgive each other. Or everything we ever were will mean nothing...
On the DVD commentary, Sam Raimi commented further on changing the ending, saying that in order to finish the film on time, they had to rewrite things to put Mary Jane in danger. He admitted that telling Kirsten Dunst was one of the hardest things he’d done in a long time in the movie making business. Aside from this, many scenes were either written or filmed and cut from the finished product.."
The production of the climax scenes of Mary Jane being in peril left Kirsten Dunst very depressed and exhausted and she soon entered rehab for depression when she wrapped the spider-man 3 promo tour.
Man, there is so much that the movie had to offer! Why is it being presented more than a decade later?! It's so unfair, especially to everyone who worked on the film who clearly were giving it their all.
Oh my god. If only we had that moment. Would've made the films ending that much more powerful
Well, fan edit time.
Yo what?!
I want that version so bad
Sony producers: nah fuck that character development put venom bitch.
“You can do 99 things for someone and all they'll remember is the one thing you didn't do”
@Juan Andrés Carrasco Ayala .... That's so relevant today. Maaaaaayn....
Damn
Heheyyy, Peaky Blinders!
that shows their flawed character
Dude, I feel so bad for Sam.... somebody seriously needs to tell him how much of an impact he has made in all our lives, and show him this video too :)
I agree
Tigery1234
I'm sure he considers it all undoubtedly worth it to help the masses!
... please do show him the video though..quick please..
That intro breaks my heart. Sam Raimi did his absolute best with this film even with all the crap he had to juggle just to make this film work. That alone deserves praise. I really hope Raimi sees the resurgent love for Spider-Man 3 and realizes that not everyone hated what he did and that even those who don't like this movie recognize that it is not his fault the film turned out the way it did.
Me after Spider-Man 4 being cancelled:
🎶 “I’m through with love, I’ll never love again” 🎶
🎶"Im all outta love, im so lost without you!"🎶
3 ended the series well though.
I find good that people after a decade are starting to appreciate this movie more
Cause really understanding what Raimi was aiming for makes 3 better imo
@@jay2chill134 I went trough kinda the same thing. I was about 9 and I didn't hear of TASM 1 till it came out. Originally my 9 years old self thought this was Spider-Man 4. But 10 mins into the movie I was like "Who the hell is this guy?" I still loved the movie tough. Wasn't as good as the Raimis, but it was still great.
@@maxilchev6884 It was decent, yes, though it felt like a bit of a rehash of Sam Raimi's first film.
But the sequel was far, far worse.
“This is balls on a filmmaker” HE SAID IT, HE SAID THE THING
"if directors don't love something they shouldn't make it" that quote is so true...
Well hmmm have you heard of movie called "a million ways to die" by Seth McFarland.
@@Hornetog9vp Just cause a filmaker loves what they are doing doesn't mean they still can't make a bad film. Tommy Wiseau loved the room and that film sucked. But I would rather have bad films that come from the heart and love of the filmaker than meh films that come from the demands of a studio.
@@omalleycaboose5937 yeah but have you seen million ways to die. You need someone to tell director hey change that beside Movies are group efforts.
@@omalleycaboose5937 yeah BUT MILLION WAY OF DIE...just kidding you have good point. I hope you have good day.
@@omalleycaboose5937 Kind of like TLJ, Rian Johnson didn't understand Star Wars and contradicted Star Wars lore on so many levels.
unpopular opinion: this is my favorite movie of the trilogy. I think the other two are amazing but idk what it is i just really like this movie.
I remember I watched it when I was 7, and i was sick asf, but for the 2 hours that I was in the theater I didn't cough once lol I was so mesmerized by the movie
*Sees runtime of 51 minutes.*
He's really gonna put some dirt in my eye.
You forgot one important thing that makes this movie great. It created thousands of bully maguire memes
Now dig on this
Oh boy yeah
@@exaltedcarnage oh boy yeah, what..
Alex “I missed the part where that’s my problem”
@@baileytrey5 you want forgiveness, get religion
"I am so high, I can hear Heaven."
- Peter's ego at the beginning of SM3
But Heaven, no Heaven, can't hear him.
@@johnjoe672 Indeed!
@Batman Fan i hold on to the string of my slinger,
Watch me as i swing away !
Wow, you've made the spiderman trilogy feels so artistic and beautiful. Thank you.
This was excellent dude, congrats on finishing it off.
Thanks man! 🙏
HiTop Films thank you for plugging my home, r/raimimemes. God bless you, HiTop-Man!
captainmidnight if u could make a superhero or villain movie who would it be and why?
HiTop Films such a raimi shill spiderman 3 by no merits is a goood spiderman film im cringing in my seat and im gonna unsub for this. Spiderman 2 is great but not “perfect” using the WORD PERFECT is too much dude!
@@freegucci4380 you are not completely wrong . But hitop films made some really good points and I appreciate the 3rd movie ever more. its not perfect , But it was an enjoyable movie and was a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy loved by everyone around the world . ONE LAST THING , there is no reason for you to unsubscribe from this channel for such a silly reason
Spider Man 3 was not a bad movie... it just had bad luck...
😔
#fax
I think the reason people don't love spiderman 3 is because it had cliches...if you aren't a media nut aka known to watch shows movies books then the plot is fine but obviously if you do your tired of the amnesia trope love triangle redemption of bff turned bad guy arc forgiveness and aliens mixed with cliche bully so because of all that in 1 film then it probably annoys you cause it adds nothing new...its kinda popcorn movie making by the numbers...kids loved it
lol no one gets the reference
No it was bad
*Middle school me:* having a panic attack on the way to the theater because we were running late and I thought I was going to miss the opening credits.
Harry dying and then reflecting on his and peters friendship is what really got to me. Thinking about all the mistakes they made and in the end reaching forgiveness is enough to make a grown man cry.
The almost perfect finale that was never even meant to be the finale.
True
but its looks like a finale.
CZplayer Yeah, that’s what makes it interesting, doesn’t it?
“This whole trilogy just meant the world to me as a kid”... Nuff said
I grew up with these man, they're in my heart
Same
Same here
I see what you did there ❤
Sam Raimi *"Creates two masterpiece Spiderman films"*
*Follows it up with a great but slightly inferior movie*
Everyone hates him now.
*"In spite of everything you've done for them eventually, they will hate you"*
AzureDragon97 true, sad but true :(
Think about it, hero!
spot on
don't listen to those losers, they're just bandwagoning so they can say the mcu version is better
And then they gets triggered when we calls the mcu tom holland is ironboy jr. Even though it the truth.
I just re-watched this, and it was so emotionally powerful and poignant. Harry's death calling Peter his best friend, Aunt May recounting the story of Uncle Ben proposing to her on the beach and her thinking the ring was "the sun", Peter forgiving Sandman for killing Uncle Ben. The acting, the writing, all so good. Yes, obviously the dance scenes and mascara are absolute memes, but man still so good.
The scene where Peter tells Aunt May that Spider-Man killed Sandman is even more heartbreaking when you realize that Spider-Man 2 implied that she knows his secret identity. She’s seeing the man she raised happily tell her that he killed a man.
wait since when did Aunt May know that Peter is Spider-Man?
Volt mom always knows
@@volt3091 It is implied in the scene where she gives the "I believe there's a hero in all of us" speech in Spider-Man 2, after Peter gives up on being Spider-Man.
its implied VEEEERY heavily that she knows in spiderman 2.mainly in the scene when peter admits that in a way he killed her husband.and when she gave her speech to him after thaat.
I was about to comment the same thing. It turns a simple scene where Aunt May imposes her wisdom on Peter to something of a horror scene for Aunt May.
"Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened"
Screw That quote, I want Spider-Man 4 😂
And now it might happen again, as Raimi is directing Doctor Strange 2.
@@iamanonymous7019 "I WANT SPIDER-MAN!!!"
Where have I heard this..?
@@joaquinhuertas8870 chester bingaton
When he's like "I'm dating your daughter" and doesn't seem to acknowledge she's about to die,. I always thought that was just poor lifleess acting but the sociopath thing works as an explanation even better
The only bad actor in the scene is Gwen’s father. Eddie is a sociopath, OK, but her father doesn’t seem to really care that his daughter is hanging from 80 stories and if about to die.
@@alexman378 yeah honestly its kind of bizarre how neither of them seem to tive a shit about this situation LMAO they act like shes stuck in a tree
@@alexman378 Topher Grace was also bad as Venom, a different voice actor and Eddie Brock would of worked.
@@alexman378 I guess you could say since he's a police captain, he's more used to these kinds of intense situations, but it's still definitely not strong enough an excuse.
The captain literally says, "Huh... what she's doing up there?" oh so casually. It's so weird, definitely my least favourite character in the film ha
I'm glad you mentioned the symbiote being a metaphor for substance abuse. It was something I never thought about as a kid of course, but when I got older and went through my own trials with addiction, it really connected with me all these years later. I'm glad it was included, I just wish it was specific to Spiderman/Peter, THEN maybe Eddie in the possible 4th movie.
I think the scene where aunt may says “Spiderman doesn’t kill people” is the best scene
BATMAN DOES NOT KILL!
@@SuedeNWings tell that to his gun
@@natsukillua7087 Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!
That scene affected me on such a personnel level that I think it turned me against the death penalty. Seeing Peter change from this beacon of light and hope into this arrogant, hate filled douche freaked me out so much as a kid that I don't want to see it in other people.
Sheriff Woodie if only Dan Slott could see that scene...
Dude, I was literally just thinking about this video and wondering “When is Alex gonna release Raimi part 3?” Lol.
Same lmafo
The Extraordinary Spider-Man Same lol
Same Spider-Man,I was going to put some dirt on Hi-Top Films eyes or lens.
bruh same
Sam Raimi: You know what? I'd like to make Spider-man movies for the rest of my life, with you in the front row
Literally anyone with half a brain: I'll be there
@Mando Koon Avi Arad: You did all the villians you wanted, now I'm gonna make you do mine. How's that sound, Tiger?
Mando Koon Sam Raimi: So uncivilized.
@@sran438 Ah the negotiator.
#ReleaseSpiderman4
Spider-Man 3 is definitely one of those movies I have see-sawed on over the years, but there is a beating heart at its core that brings me back to it again and again. I love the story that Sam and Ivan Raimi and Alvin Sargent decided to tell and think it still shines through in the final product in spite of the film's messy screenplay. Ego, humility and forgiveness - these are classic Spider-Man themes and make for a satisfying conclusion to an overall amazing trilogy and some of my favourite movies ever.
41:09 Hearing Sam Raimi say 'movie' instead of 'picture' is the most jarring thing on this planet
Sam Raimi clearly understood this character, and really showed this world, why Spidey is such a great character. Thanks Sam Raimi.
32:40
It always hits hard when I watch this, after Aunt May says "You start by doing the hardest thing..." I assume she is going to say "You apologize."
But instead she says "You forgive yourself".
Damn, that's just so good.
that's what a fucking good dialogue is like. It can completely be a game changer for people that are going through some things.
The third act of this film is the best part of this film. I love how Peter finally gets closure, was able to admit to the bad things he's done. Harry forgave Peter for what happened to his father. Both were able to let go of that vengeance they've been carrying throughout the trilogy. That's what I love about this film.
I hope Hi-tops gets the money he needs from this to pay the rent
And his door as well
And the knob he broke when his aunt came to visit him
All he's got is this 20 for the week
30:20 yea... that whole offscreen development of him losing his mind was in the original 3 hour cut and novelization. He was losing his shit quickly, he saw his dad in the car he drove away in, his Butler was never really there, crazy stuff. #releasetheraimicut let’s get that 3 hour cut
I am the 100 like☺
Pardon me but where did you see this? I would very much like to see that...
German Castillo there is a twitter hashtag called #releasetheraimicut and an acct that released all kinds of photos, deleted shots, and bits from the Novelization. They even interviewed a producer that played Penny’s doctor originally and he said the film was originally 3 hours and Sam Raimi apologized for cutting him out
@@filmnerd14 that's very Interesting i heard bits and pieces about how it was going to begin but that was it. Thank you i really appreciate it.
Hell Venom was supposed to be even fully bond with Eddie and when Peter tried to pull him he saw only a skeleton inside that resembles Venom's head
“Non of that matters Peter. You’re my friend” Noooo that gets me every time! 😢
Best friend
@@HeyMomonia *Crying intensifies*
*7 year old me starts weeping*
I totally forgot about the death of Harry.
Paul McCoy 😭😭😭😭
Great video again.
I want to add to your analysis of the church scene too, and the impact of the meaning of Peter saying "You want forgiveness? Get religion."
After the Jazz club scene, and after Peter realizes what he's become, he's broken, and wants to repent for what he's done as well.
He doesn't just go to a bell tower to get rid of the symbiote. He goes to church to repent. The same church Eddie is at, and we see a contrast here in what the core difference between Eddie and Peter is.
They both go to church, but for different reasons.
EDIT: Just finished watching the video. Thank you for making this series. You really helped me rediscover why I love Spider-Man so much in a time when I wasn't really sure about myself.
The scene where Peter hits MJ always gets to me. So caught up in yourself and not focusing on others until reality hits you in the face (no pun intended). When you really realize that you’ve fucked up and need to change. Brilliant scene. Great video HiTop Films
"You're My Friend" Goddammit, I'm crying again.
"Best friend"
I cried too
Everytime 😭😭
Imagine this guy’s english grade when he writes persuasive essays
Lmaooo
Yeah honestly he could talk about the shittiest movie of all time and make it sound like a cinematic masterpiece.
Z N LOL. I’d love to see him make The Room, Batman and Robin, or The Last Airbender sound like cinematic masterpieces.
@@craftymasterproductions4218 I once found an essay (can't remember where though) about The Room and how Lisa is one of the best, most well developed and manipulative villains ever. It was quite amusing within context but out of context, it does make it sound like a cinematic masterpiece!
A+++++++++++++++++to the power of 69
This exploration into the Raimi verse was legitimately beautiful. Subbed.
I love how that guy calls the new movies "brilliant but lazy". So spot on !
When you think about it its also really but REALLY true
Its quite true and sad as well. Marvel really had the chance to make their definitive take on Spider-Man and they just butchered it, imo. The movies are fun but they never really feel like authentic Spider-Man films. The writers just completely misunderstood what Spider-Man is all about, they removed the essence, the spirit of the character. By making Peter's development so intrinsically attached to Iron Man, they stripped him of his agency and independence. His economic struggles have also been erased, in favour of fancy suits from Stark. Aunt May is just a male fantasy in these films and the most important supporting characters like Mary Jane Watson, Harry Osborn, Betty Brant etc have been completely changed or turned into comic relief.
@@cosmicdream17 they do suck, but to be fair, it was always gonna be a tough nut to crack to have a genuine, human, relatable take on Spider-Man in a world where there's an alien invasion every sunday and Peter is Tony's intern..
@@gaspardlaurent742 they can't do the 'responsibility' part right.
@@cosmicdream17 Preach,I feel bad for Tom Holland cause he is great actor
I just love that line from Harry when he says “go buddy!” It’s so simple, and yet it really says a lot.
I just want to admit one thing. When I was watching this video and he's talking about harry forgiving pete and he said thats fucking good. I actually got hype seeing them back together as friends. After watching this video, it makes me love this movie more
Spiderman 3 was always my favorite as a kid, I loved laughing at Bully Maguire every time I watched it, but every time I see it now and listening to Raimi's commentary on his plans before venom was forced into the movie, I genuinely think it would've easily topped 2 as Raimi's masterpiece,
I cry every time Harry says none of that matters, you are my friend, he doesn’t care that he is dying, he forgets everything even his own death just because of their friendship.
Got me as well
'Remember Sam Raimi? The filmmaker whose fourth movie you shot down in cold blood?"
"What does it matter to you anyway/"
*"EVERYTHING!!!"*
BattleUp Saber the 4th film would have made Felicia as the Vultress. Not the Black Cat. The Lizard and the Vulture might have been good but making Felicia into the Vultress is stupid.
@@captcrais101 I think Raimi would've found a way to make sense of it. He did a good job making villains, even in the 3rd film where there were way too many enemies. Most of them made sense.
Hiroshima Nuke My point is they were doing Felicia wrong. I hate that. She is Black Cat not Vultress.
Raimi said in an interview in 2013 that she would've been Black Cat.
That's for Avi Arad
Sony: The cunning producer attacks neither budget nor script.
Avi Arad: Tell me how!
Sony: THE HEART, ARAD. WE ATTACK HIS HEART!
25:45. I gasped. I forgot the shock of this scene, and I was teary eyed for a moment just reflecting on how grateful I am that I grew up with these movies, and the powerful themes of growth, empathy and humble simplicity that I couldn't quite understand at the time. What a beautiful story this was, watching Peter wound those he loved the most and then look into the mirror and face the ugly face that he saw in it, and then have the humility to forgive himself, and fight to make right his wrongs. After his dearest friend forgives him and gives his life for him, he gains the perspective and humility to look Sandman in the eyes and realize that he is no better than this man that he hated, and forgives him courageously. You've done a fantastic job analyzing this movie that I loved as a boy, and love even moreso as a man. Great work, and God bless you.
Not a day goes by that my heart doesn’t ache over the fact that Raimi never got to make his Spider-Man 4. I’m sure it would have been amazing, the best Spider-Man movie ever made.
I could imagine Raimi's emotions when he saw the TASM movies.
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It's kinda sad because Craven was going to be in the movie he was going to team up with Spiderman to take on Rino and Crocodile and I think they was going to try to squeeze in Scorpion. The suits looked amazing and they had a robotic tiger for Craven that looked so real.
And they actually had a full body suit that almost looked like Rinos custom in the cartoons and the Rino actually shared the same weakness as he did in the cartoon were he can get over heated because he cant sweat out of body except his exposed face.
Jeremy Bode we did get Spider-man 4 BUT it is a Marc webb movie not a Sam raimi movie
Yes
The score that plays during Harry’s death scene is so emotional and nostalgic. It just makes you want to cry.
it doesnt matter how many times ive seen it, i cry every time
Makes me cry too!
Every time I watch that scene I realise just how much I wanted SM 4 and how Harry's death would have pushed Peter to become a much more mature Spider-Man.... Fuck Sony for cancelling it
@@melvinsamson5684 I’m honestly kind of glad we didn’t get a fourth film. Spider-Man 3 ended the trilogy perfectly, and I wouldn’t want to see these characters and archs dragged out longer than they need to be. Don’t get me wrong, I’d be beyond excited if they made a fourth one, but I’m happy with the three that we got.
@@domphilbrick I respect your opinion, but I'll have to disagree. It was a good ending, but it left a lot of loose strings for instance- Peter n MJ's relationship was now left in the blue, open to interpretation as to how they'd manage after everything they went through, and how both would cope with Harry's death, Besides, Raimi was setting up so much for more films - Bruce Campbell as Mysterio who appeared in a lot of places in the trilogy without Peter ever recognizing him, Dr. Connor's relationship with Peter and the lizard diagram on his study wall which was gearing up for the film in which he becomes the Lizard
@@domphilbrick Yeah,the 4th installment would ruin the well made atmosphere Spider-Man 3
When I was a kid I seriously thought Spider-Man was about to die in that fight.
Same
Fr like I honestly thought he was gone
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I think if they had just saved Venom to be the main villain for 4, the film could have been perfect. Peter could have discovered the symbiote in 3, used it against Sandman to get revenge, and then used it against Harry--scarring his face like he did in the actual film. However, upon seeing his friend permanently disfigured due to his actions, he realizes that the suit has blinded him with rage, just as Harry was blinded with rage by the death of his father. Peter would then get rid of the suit, and have one more fight with Harry, before helping Harry realize the truth: regardless of what they have put each other through, they are still best friends, and vengeance is not the way to solve their problems in life. By that point, they could bring Sandman down together, or maybe Harry sacrifices himself in some way, or maybe (still hearing the Goblin in his head), Harry decides to enter a psychiatric hospital to heal his mind so he'll no longer be a danger to Peter or anyone else. The film could then show the symbiote attaching itself to Eddie's clothing, while Peter and MJ dance and decide to mend their relationship, like in the actual film.
Wow that was brilliant
That would add a lot of hype for the fourth film, too!
Excellent
And boom just like you just fixed Spider-Man 3
Sam Raimi actually considered making the film a two-parter with Venom being teased at the end of 3 but Avi Arad wouldn't allow it.
"You'll get your rent when you fix this damn door!" but then the landlord says "he's...good boy". the landlord doesn't shout back at peter or kicks him out, rather he still remembers how good peter is, and doesn't get mad at him, and realizes that peter was just having a bad day. something about the way he said that just hit home with me, he still believes peter is a good person.
That landlord and his daughter might just be the emotional crutch of the films. Even over MJ IMO
Forgiveness theme 10/10
The scene where Aunt May gives Peter the ring is my favourite thing in the whole trilogy it's fucking beautiful
yes, I forgot, that was the sweetest thing. Aunt May was the greatest aunt to Peter.
@@misterNicarus she really was, they had such a beautiful bond. I don't think I've ever cried at a film but the closest I've come has been when she's on screen
It's also the last scene with the two in the holy trilogy and it's so perfect
*Thanos:* _Give me the Infinity Stones..._
*Tobey Maguire:* YOU'LL GET YOUR STONES WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!!!
Thanos: Give me rent
@@iamslightlybetterthanyou2679 Pizza time
Look at Little Titan Jr. Gonna cry?
Reminds me of that tobey in the mcu video
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I've watched your entire series on the Raimi trilogy now, and it's almost uncanny how much I agree with all your points; it's like you've managed to put my own thoughts on these movies into words far more eloquently and comprehensively than I ever could myself - especially in regard to the third one. These are genuinely some of the best video essays I've ever seen on TH-cam!
I always liked this movie I was actually kinda surprised when I first heard people hated it
Yeah well it’s hated because it’s a terrible movie! Not as bad as Justice League or Origins Wolverine or even The Amazing Spider-Man 2 but still terrible! They completely ruined Venom, they ruined Gwen Stacy, Bryce Dallas Howard really sucked at playing her, I didn’t like Emma Stones version either but at least that version served some purpose. It’s just not a good movie.
Blu New this trilogy was amazing so go cry to your mom virgin boy
I was shocked too!
@@blunew467 you don’t really have a say in that when your taste is absolute trash
@@hexalot4277 still think the movie is bad, memes aside, but it’s 100 times better than both of the TASM movies, better now?
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Avi arad: add venom and green goblin jr lmao
Art Rodriguez he wanted to put New Goblin in this movie, not Arad
Actually everyone wanted Venom
Jake Wetterlin Raimi didn’t but everyone else did because they love that Symbiote dick
@@NoOne-bc4ce Actually, it's nEw GoBlIn!
Art Rodriguez Bro Sam wanted Goblin JR! Of course he was gonna do it! It was set up
Of course you're the one person who can make me love this trilogy even more.
Kayedine the Child
Honestly
Not gonna lie this brought a tear to my eye. Ok maybe a couple. You do an excellent analysis my dude. From one Spider-Man fan to another, thank you.
The way raimi talks, the love he shows for the character and the fact that he had a 4th installment and will never be able to show it. I can’t imagine how much grief and sadness he’s going through
I can’t imagine how much grief you went through when you left us
@@aryan7767 bruh moment
he's getting to direct doctor strange 2, a movie with his favorite marvel hero after spider-man
It’s probably for the better. Though most ppl (wrongly) think the franchise ended on a low note, a 4th film would really tarnish what was an amazingly coherent, satisfying trilogy (you know, like what they’re trying to do with The Matrix 😒)
Holy hell this movie was truly an almost masterpiece. Can you imagine if they made a superhero movie about struggling with addiction and forgiveness. Hollywood HATES forgiveness.
Apparently, there was enough material left on the cutting room floor to make two movies (especially with scenes devoted to more character development for Harry, Sandman, and Venom). If fans could get the Snyder cut of Justice League released, what's to say we can't get Sony to release the Raimi cut of Spider-man 3?
The movie was absolutely awful the only good thing in this movie is sandman
@@abdulwahabwehaib8519 I forgive you.
@thenothing “You want forgiveness? Get religion.”
Get religion
"In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you."
This man really convinced me Spider-Man 3 was as good as Spider-Man 2. NO ONE does that.
Bruh, kinda teared up when you were talking about forgiveness at the end of the film.
This was so profound... I cried.... I actually made sobbing noises. I couldn't help it. This is what Spiderman stands for. Thank you for this video.
Same here, made me think of my whole life and my upbringing, when this came out. Very emotional indeed, Hitop you´re the man! Thanks for the time and effort making this!
"Why do we fall?"
"So that we can learn.. to pick ourselves up."
The Incredible Hulk!
@@whyisblue923taken no it's from the dark Knight trilogy🤦
I think you're in the wrong universe
Ye but we can’t forget how the dark knight trilogy shits all over this one
@@whyisblue923taken lmao this made me laugh thank you
Haven’t watched this movie in a while… Im over here tearing up at the scene at the end with Harry. The nostalgia and feels hit hard.
Harry: gets stabbed through the chest by his glider*
Hitop: "Perfect absolutely perfect"
HiTop: *says everything he does in this video*
Me: No kidding. Why did it take 13 years for someone to say it like it is?
No one I have ever talked to has said they hated Raimi for Spiderman 3. We have always said, to this day, Sony messed up Spiderman 3.
and Avi Arad
It's because we know Raimi can do better. We saw his first two films. They were great. If this film didn't have so many things happening and so many villains, it would have been a much simpler story. It may not have been better than spiderman 2 but it would still be a very good film. It just got bogged down by too many storylines.
@@AshwinBhalekar Because of Sony. They diluted the actual plot with the Sandman and Peter struggling to forgive his uncle's real killer. Just because Sony REAAAALLY wanted that fucking Venom movie, which they got and it was mediocre at best.
@@ultrixsoma2736 Venom? More like Carnage heck nobody name drops him in 3 he doesn't even say we're person to Peter Pecker
I can say without a doubt that prior to the leaks telling us how Sony messed with the script that Raimi got a ton of shit tossed at him. And how were we to know better? We didn't and couldn't have. It wasn't until Raimi came forward with the explanation months later, with some cast/crew confirming it, that we got a better idea of why the film felt so disjointed compared to the first two films.
I grew up watching these 3 movies hundreds of times. I love spiderman 3. It wasn’t perfect but it did make me feel emotions at harrys death scene. And I think it’s a good movie.
"-I'd like to sing on stage for the rest of my life, with you on first line
- I'll be there"
That's exactly what happened on the final scene of the movie. I know it's just a bar stage and not brodway's but he always BE THERE. Sam Raimi did it, he's genius.
PS: omg i'm tearing up so hard RN, I'll love this trilogy till death too
Yoooo, I didn’t even catch that. That’s brilliant
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Alwaays I know! You'll be! At my show!
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Watching, waiting, commiserating
Say it ain't so, I will not go
Turn the lights off, carry me home!!
Spiderman+pizza time+blink182 sounds great
“I dint” -HiTop Films, 2019
he dint!!!
I thought it was hearing him wrong.
This brought tears to my eyes. Ive always noticed some of the symbolism in Spiderman 3, but you just took that to a whole new level.
Now I need to watch it again just so I can appreciate the effort in it.
Oh, and Sam Raimi's trilogy still reigns supreme as the best Spiderman. Your 3 part series make a very good case why