I grew up watching basketball in the 90s and they said the exact same thing about defense back then. I'll never forget that clip of the first Dream Team practice when Magic Johnson said that MJ was getting free throws for players breathing on him.
@@legendarywiimaster yes after he said what I commented he then said i dont think youve ever fouled out of a game? Then asked Bird when did he ever foul out of a game.
I'm an oldhead myself and I have a theory. I don't think they were playing better defense "back in the day" in the 90's, I think the way offenses were built changed, and I think Michael Jordan had a lot to do with it. Jordan was the greatest player ever back then. Shooting, rebounding, passing, steals, blocks, defense, he could do it all. But most of all, no one could guard him one-on-one. He didn't play on super teams, not even when he was winning titles. He was always the prime scoring option. Other teams saw that and started looking for players who had great handles and could take players one on one. Steve Francis, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, these are guys who followed Jordan. Great scorers, but missing Jordan's all around excellence. But they were great one on one. Watching basketball back then got pretty dull. Four guys standing around, four guys guarding them, and the scorer getting ready to go one one one with the other team's best defender. Also, Pat Riley's strategy with a Knicks team with Patrick Ewing and pretty much no one else was to slow the game down, ugly it up and play bully-ball with hard defense. It was boring. A lot of guys liked watching the great players, but there were games where the pros scored fewer points than a lot of college teams. Then the Spurs brought back the game of motion and passing. Pace and space. Instead of the court seeming too small for ten players, it seemed like the court got bigger because players were farther apart and moving. The Spurs would forego a good shot for a great shot, making the extra pass. Tim Duncan didn't hurt, but the offensive style was more of a factor. Teams would use the pace and space theory to play small ball without a pure center, and they did well. Then Steph Curry happened. The three pointer made the court even bigger, because defenses had to guard even more of it, because the three point shot went from a desperation heave to a legit strategy of offense. Combine the return of the game of movement with increasing use and success of the three point shooting and now the court is huge. Defenders have to worry about being out at the arc, on the wings, down low. And now bigs are shooting threes and getting better at passing. The ball moves faster and there's only so much territory five guys can cover. The game is changing. What looks like poor defense is really just desperation. Defenders are almost forced to risk fouls just to stay with offensive players. Michael Jordan's style was a trend that got followed. So was Riley's bully ball strategy. So was the pace and space. Trends come and go. I'd rather have this than one-on-one contests and 80-75 games. Guys are still playing defense. Jokic is. Embiid is. Leonard is (when he's healthy). It's just not enough sometimes.
@@cdeleon3494 You know how it is, I have a sentimental preference for the era when I started watching basketball in the early 80's. But look at a few rosters from that time. There were dozens of players who would have no business on the court today. It seemed each team had a guy who was a backup center because he had seven feet and six fouls. Kevon Looney would have fit right in in the 80's. He's the Tree Rollins of the 21st Century. But from your star to player 15, these guys can play. Like the Timberwolves where I live. Anthony Edwards, Towns, Gobert, then Naz Reid, Ryan "Slo-mo" Anderson, all the way down to Jordan McLaughlin. They can play. I loved watching the Lakers/Celtics wars, but this is the best time to be a basketball fan.
Can we stop ignoring how the expansion of what's permissable with the dribble has impacted the game? And the amount of foul baiting. I'm a Mavs fan and I freely acknowledge that Luka travels ALL the time vs what was called 8-10 years ago. The Harden and Embiid/Big Harden flopping really kicked off with Manu and Pau Gasol but is at all time levels, that impacts how players have to play defense. And the two-step step back 3 that Harden really pioneered, used to be a travel but also expands the advantage that the offensive player has. The Old Heads are misrepresenting their era but it's disingenuous to ignore how the game has opened up from a rules perspective for the Offense.
They would have called all those things back in the day, it’s why Stern didn’t want them doing And1 moves, if you just want offense dominated Ball go see the Globetrotters.
Free throw rate is down with more pace buddy …these dudes got more fouls with less pace and by the way today they go in more back in day they took bad mid range shots
The fact of the matter is that with spacing, offensive players are going to score more and with the inclusion of the 3 point shot, scoring numbers are going to go up. Offense is way easier than defense because defensive players have to act last. It's hard to defend when you're defending a player who can spot up from anywhere within 30 feet of the basket. And the other teammates can spot up from anywhere from 15-25 feet from the basket. Yeah, go ahead, double team Luka, Embiid. Watch them dump it off to the 2nd option and then the 2nd option scores 30 on 17 shots.
@@rektz2457 "Defense is overrated". Are you dumb? Defense is half of what Basketball is. You are the exact normie type that the NBA is catering too. Stick to watching All Star Games
I read an old article from the 80s complaining about how the current era (that is, the freaking 80s) was soft and how the 60s was much better. Nowadays people are romanticizing that same 80s era. I remember people calling players during the 2000s soft and out of control and now here we are looking back fondly at the same 2000s we called soft. Oldheads will forever be oldheads.
Back in the 90s, Walt Frazier said that Wilt would average 75 points in today's league. (and yes, he was talking about the 90s.) Gotta love how the cycle repeats itself
Back in the 90s the floor spacing wasnt as open as it is now. If you know player A is going to shoot a middy or go to the rack you can defend that easy but if you open up the 3 point line then you open up the middle. Now whats happening is that spacing has got to the point where the lane is so wide open and more players are deadly from 3 so you cant leave them open to much
Players in the 80s and early 90s were playing at similar pace and average the same ppg as the current players. The game because more defensive ever since 93 and it had a lot to do with the league expanding. When you add 6-7 teams within 8 year time span, the quality of talent is diluted and it leads to a slower pace and low scoring averages. Outside of the Bulls, most teams built their rosters around dominant bigs and didnt recognize the value of shooting a lot of threes. Old heads are very nostalgic and love to lie alot about how great the 80s/90s was. A true fan appreciates great players and teams from each era instead of being biased towards a certain time period.
bro why can’t we ever have honest convos abt defense in the nba. Always either hatin on the current day while gassin the previous eras or vice versa. Very rarely honest convos abt how certain things are different in each era
The current day fans are the dishonest ones. We live in an era where people think anyone that happened in the last 2 months is the greatest thing they've ever seen. Every 3 or 4 years people are saying someone is the GOAT in something: sports, rap, comedy
@@NotaPizzaGRL You can live in the present but not think every new thing is the greatest thing ever. Living in the present and being slave to the present are two different things. I didn't have to be alive at the same time my parents were young to recognize that some of the best music ever came out during that time
@@SonicBoomC98No, almost *everybody* is dishonest with this shit… I’ve heard “Bron wouldn’t even be a starter in the ‘80s!” as often as I’ve heard that same nonsense about Jordan if he played now… And the truth is simple: the top guys are mostly the same. Duncan played in ‘96 and ‘14. He was an MVP candidate on a team that won a ring in ‘98 and then won his last ring in 2014. He was the same guy, just older. Sure, at 39, he wasn’t as amazing at everything he could do at 24, but that’s normal. Garnett. Kobe. Jason Kidd. Shaq. Dirk. Ray Allen. They all played at LEAST a season which started in the ‘90s and all were the same guy in the ‘00s and ‘10s.
@@NotaPizzaGRLAs much as nostalgia blindness is an issue, so is recency bias. Anyone pretending that any professional basketball player would fail to adapt to different rules despite playing under them at the Olympics, in college, etc is an idiot. Not to mention, the guys who are usually involved in this debate? One started his career the year after the other ended his… We’re not talking about humans growing a third leg in that time.
This video is called "denial", Adam Silver literally explained the purpose of the rule changes and this is the result. Field goal percentages and scoring went up immediately following changes to make scoring easier. Low said this himself in his older video, not sure why he somehow forgot what he knew years ago.
efficiency goes up because players get better. Unless you’re saying that the year where these rules were changed/implemented saw a large spike in efficiency this is just wrong
The hypocrisy of these gen z and gender neutral Brontards is that they say the 90s was a weaker era, while literally watching players get hit like they're in a mixed martial arts match. Dudes who think like LOW would quit the NBA and switch to sumo wrestling. 🤡👺🤣🤣😭😭🤣🤣
@@eberdamilcar2130 Yes, scoring went up and efficiency went up across the board as soon as handchecking was removed for example. Players did not magically improve from one year to the next, you can see a lot of the same players scoring and efficiency improve with the rule change. The rules changed, the officiating changed, the NBA started to select for players who can do well in the new environment, these are the primary causes of the scoring/efficiency increases. It's no secret, the NBA wanted more scoring and we now have the current environment. There's plenty of articles and interviews where the NBA execs/owners openly discuss this.
@@stefankilleyajones3018 In my previous reply I said that officiating changed as well, which can happen even without a change in rules. Still, there were also more rule changes beyond handchecking that made scoring easier as well. One of the rules making it easier for shooters is actually the Zaza rule. But again, this is just one rule, part of the many rules/changes making offense easier today. Either way, if you go back to the changes that happened when the handcheck was removed you will clearly see a pattern of efficiency and scoring steadily increasing every year from that point. And if you watch the game (which no one actually does anymore) you will clearly see the game being called in a way that gives many advantages to the offense (clearing out, pushing off, zero step). Again, it's no secret, the commissioner of the NBA has said very recently that the rules now are set to allow skilled players to show their skill and score, he does not plan on changing things back.
It's not just bad defense though, it's what the players of today are allowed to get away with on offense also.. carrying the ball in between dribbles, a lot of traveling, moving screens every time.. complete annihilation of hand checking and the 3 second violation in the paint has also added to it., The combination of extremely whiny players complaining on every single play and awful officiating as well has made NBA almost unwatchable..
Luka and Giannis both said its easy to score in the nba as opposed to the euro leagues. No stars from the 90s or 2000s would ever say that. The rule changes and spacing have obviously made it easy to score and score efficiently. Low doesn't know what he's talking about on this one...
@@ubadman1Come on bro, in addition to more spacing no hand checking can't crowd the shooters space or its a flagrant, defense is so trash they don't even fight over screens anymore. Luka will call for a screen the defense switches and he immediately has a mismatch which equals and easy score. Perimeter defender don't even try to fight over screens anymore lol, defense in this era is non existent...
Dude, if a rule is taking away something an offense can exploit, it is by definition favoring the defense. Basketball is a zero sum game, taking something away from the offense is giving it to the defense, and if something is making it harder for the offense, then it’s easier for the defense, and vice versa.
Nah man why is barely anyone pointing out that they all said it was Embiid being dominant, Dame and D-Mitch got theirs from being on fire and shooting a ton and no one was saying it was bad defense, just "they were that good that night". When Luka does it though, suddenly its bad defense.
"Suddenly"? Why are you making this about Luka? People have been complaining about this "bad defense" era for years and _definitely_ were complaining about defense last year when those performances happened.
@@BlueGrovyle yeah, people been complaining how they hate organized basketball. This isn't the street where you can literally grab dudes and get away with it. People complain about defense being bad when it's not, it's simply this era doesn't have as many offensive liabilities so it's harder to defend one person as a team when everyone on the court is a capable scorer. Hand checking wouldn't slow shit down in today's NBA because of how efficient players and systems are now. People say the 2000's had good defense when in reality it had a bunch of hero ball and horrible shot taking. Kobe made a career of taking bad shots that fell. Stop being so fucking dumb.
@@BlueGrovyle also it's obvious it's an issue now that the white boy scored 73. I didn't see shit about how horrible the spurs are defensively or just overall when Embiid dropped his 70. Also like low said in the video, pretty much every great scoring performance like that was done against a trash team. People act like Kobe dropped 81 on the bad boy pistons when he literally got to play 1 on 1 all game against what was one of the worst defensive teams of it's era in the raptors.
@@MmaMadman85exactly no one is dropping 70 on the Celtics or Timberwolves. I always laugh when people say defense doesn’t matter anymore yet the contenders every year are always the top defensive teams
@@MmaMadman85 if you didn't see anything, then look harder lol. Everyone knows the Spurs are one of the worst teams in the league and that their defense is bad. The hate on modern basketball is everywhere. Instead of complaining strictly about defense in Embiid's 70 point game, they complained the loudest about all the free throws, which is still tangential at least.
"People don't want to watch defense..." I'm still a little dead inside from watching those Nets/Spurs series. Those were the worst. Balance is best, but if I had to choose offense or defense, give me all the offense.
I like that you brought up double teams cause embiid got doubled a couple times but would either pass it away immediately which disrupts the defense or would shoot his midrange immediately. Either way, he found ways to make those particular doubles useless so it didn’t really matter in the end
as a viewer and fan i think defensive intensity is entertaining. seeing the will to stop someone and the focus and effort for a missed shot i think viewers would love to see. for example, the slapping of the ground on defense. it keeps people hyped maybe not as much as a off dribble three or dunk but TEN TIMES more than defenders jogging back on D or staying next to their man just enough so they don't foul or get subbed. Good defense is entertaining. but yeah balance is needed, I don't think there is a coincidence between stars not playing defense. it's tiring!! interested to see the new rules in talks for more balance.
I used to enjoy watching and hating the celtics and Spurs!!! Watching Kobe and co. Having to get past a tough Houston, rockets, Phoenix Suns and Denver Nuggets back in 2008 - 10 were sights to be hold!! Those teams played tough and quick defenses and made the Lakers have to earn every victory in full game 7 series!
What is insane is that Perk did play in one of the best defensive eras ever, but here is the issue. Defense has only ever gotten better. Yes scoring is up, but only because players are just that much better offensively. A star player dropping 60 on a bad team isn't a sign of league wide bad defense. It's just 1 player not limiting himself against a garbage team
I see the argument “these guys score 40 every night so it’s not special anymore” all the time. It never makes sense to me because it’s almost always the same handful of guys dropping 40. Some people can’t understand that maybe, just maybe, there are some legendary offensive talents in the league rn. There has never been a player like bron, steph, harden, kd, giannis, etc.. in the history of the league
"Defense has only ever gotten better" Are you high? Take a look at how defensive ratings have slumped. You got NOBODY under 100 nowadays, team defensive ratings are slumping. All the defensive metrics are slumping. Steals are down, blocks are down. Every single way you can measure defense points to it being worse now than it has ever been. It's not that the skill is lacking it's that defense can only get better if it's ALLOWED to get better. Officiating has gotten to the point where a defender can't even breathe on an opponent without getting called for a foul. Offensive players are literally throwing themselves at defenders because they know that as soon as the ref sees that contact has been made they blow the whistle and call the foul on the defender. So how the hell can defense get better when refs don't allow ANY kind of physical defense to be played? It's actually insane that YOU think that, like how many straight jackets they got on you level of crazy.
@@inefektIt's because the players today are better. The average player of today is better than the average player of thirty years ago. Not hard to understand.
"No defense" because how you supposed to defend these guys especially with all the spacing. The best defense in the 90s would have no idea what to do with Luka, curry, or jokic/embiid with shooters around them
I would like to see a video on why players today cant play as many games as they did in the past. I dont really care about the eras comparison. Everyone exaggerates the past for nostalgia to make it seem better. That being said I wish guys played 80 games a seaosn again. Kind of sucks when you favorite player is out when he's visitng town
Yeah, it does suck, personally I could break an arm and still try to play,but it’s a business. Sitting out 10 games a season could allow you to play for more years, thus making you more money. At the same time the owners are protecting their asset. I’m fine with players missing games. The NBA and team owners had been making boatloads of money on the backs of their underpaid athletes for 50-60 years. Many former all time greats are broke.
I’m an old head and I admit that overall today’s players are much more athletic and a lot better shooters. And on the whole, much more skilled. The thing I don’t love about today’s game is the 3 point line. I know it’s mathematically the right thing to jack up a bunch of 3’s but it makes the games a lot more boring for me.
This is why the Heat tend to be, regardless of seed, so lethal in the playoffs, first they have a coach that specifically specializes in defensive scheming in Erik Spoelstra and has cultivated a culture centered around pride and effort, so that even objectively defensive liabilities are going to try on that end of the floor, but then Miami also tends to look for guys that are laterally quick enough to stay in front of guards yet long and tall enough to bother bigs and wings(see right now where Miami only has one guy under 6'3 on the roster and only one guy over 6'10) so when you give a team that's intentionally created to be long and laterally quick and a coach that is really damn good with his defensive schematics, and then you turn and give them a 7 game series against one team, they're usually going to find ways to cause issues and there's very few players on the team that you're going to be able to matchup hunt
You have no clue what taking hand checking away did for creating space. It’s literally the reason the nba is so perimeter centric today. That’s not saying we necessarily want it in the nba today. Just recognizing the difference it made
None of them do. One guy actually said “today’s players are so fast they’d just run by it!” That is *maybe* the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard about hand-checking?… Seeing as how hand-checking is *specifically* a tactic used to neutralize the *speed of a much faster offensive player.* It’s like a football fan saying “No way a defensive player could commit pass interference against Randy Moss!… He always catches the ball when he’s wide-open!”
I like the fact that "old school defense" they talk about is basically beating the shit out of someone and not suffering any or minimalize consequences.
I think the problem is the league doesn’t reward players for playing both sides of the ball with the same tenacity. Like KD before injury was locking dudes down and scoring 30 on dude, that was always super entertaining. The star players with the defensive intensity have mostly gone away or they are only three and d type dudes. Rule changes I would like to see are allowing more body checking, calling offensive pushoffs or hooks (honestly this one is the biggest problem). And being consistent with allowing vertical jumping defensively.
@@lestonclark2398. What u just described is called rim protection. Kd has NEVER been a lockdown on ball defenders but he is a elite help defender/ rim protector
I truly appreciate the nuanced way in which LOW has these basketball conversations. JJ, PG, Jeff Teague, LOW, Jimmy, Kenny, BSOLZ Cam and Ma$e Just a better way to consume NBA content
People won’t agree because they’ll refuse to actually watch basketball from that era. They might watch their favourite team or they’ll watch a couple games of the best of the best, but they won’t spend time watching different games of different role players of that era playing defence. They’ll be bored.
A lot of people in the comments weren’t even alive in that era or never watched that era of basketball yet talk about it like players always played great defense when the game had the same amount of it. Some players can’t play it (most players) but the few that can are really good at it. And that’s been true for every era.
I prefer watching Eurolegue games to NBA games. NBA looks dumbed down basketball and no defensive makes it even less watchable. I am not saying Euroleahue has better talent, but it is more entertaining to me (I am from Europe though). GSW, Nuggets with Jokić on the floor and maybe just a small couple of other teams are the only ones playing nice badketball
0:55 It's bad basketball because usually the exact same thing happens on the next possession. And that isn't how basketball in the 80's went. The pace was higher than the 90's and 2010's, but so was the defensive effort. It's less effort overall. 2:21 Cap...fouling is absolutely defense in the right context. You get 6 fouls per player, that is absolutely part of strategy. Slow down the pace, some players have a terrible time at the line in the clutch. i dont think fouling alone is a strategy but you are being very facetious saying fouling isnt defense. Stop that. 4:50 You cant just speed through that like it's not major. Allen Iverson use to get a LOT of carry violations called on him. So did Steve Francis, Marbury and players similar to that style. Not having to worry about that as much is a HUGE offensive advantage. Look at Harden at the Rockets, Kyrie at the Cavs/Celtics and everybody now with handles (including Luka)...about 45 percent of the hesi crosses, 0 step/3 step/gather step non travel calls are turnovers. That makes a difference, you are just looking at the headlines of the rules changes, we actually watched the games so some of this you won't get to appreciate fully. You can't. 9:39 Also cap, the schemes aren't better. People always hunted mismatches. You were able to do more on defense ...the volume of 3's attempted went up with D'Antoni and the Steve Nash Suns. Go watch the Spurs/Pistons back to back finals matchups if you think schemes are new. Defensively and on offense it was so many adjustments made. schemes aren't any better. Rules are more lenient and 3's are more spammed. 10:56 you are being facetious again....Even without the recent point outburst people are saying defensive effort is lowerr and defensive i.q. is lower for each player on average. i get the point of the video because i agree a lot of these old niggas are just hating or bitter but you are just dismissing shit based on a few examples. we saw the games then and now. I dont personally mind the higher scoring because basketball usually regresses to the mean in the playoffs. I grade scoring on a curve. Luka and Spyda getting 70 is like 50 to 55...still amazing. Harden averaging 35 is like 29 or 30. Still great. it's a different game
I'm slowly moving away from the nba because of the fans. Look at the nfl the old time players they're still getting the respect they deserved for being great. People make 90s basketball seem like Caveman era
The younger fans talk the most mess. They don't respect Old Ball. Football doesn't have that issue. Hell Baseball (to my knowledge) doesn't have that issue
@zelohendricks51 yeah in baseball you still have people considering Babe Ruth in the top 10 all time. Despite how ridiculous that is knowing he never faced an African American or a Cuban player in his days
In all fairness, the older players and fans don't have any respect for the next generation and continuously downplay the game. It's a wonder the NBA is still making money with how often it gets slandered by fans, media, and previous generations alike.
@@slackerofhell Yeah let's be honest. That's bs. The older player generally only talk about defense. They don't crap on the entire era like fans now do to the older eras.
You either sent it to the post for a hook shot or you had one dude that couldn’t shoot from beyond 18 but just drove the ball to the rim and tried to lay it up. That was basically the 90s in a nutshell. Barely anyone could shoot the ball it felt like
The only thing that is better about today's game is the ability of players to shoot the three. There were great three point shooters back in the 90's but not near as many as today.
That's NOT his argument!! He's saying fouls AREN'T defence. Which is just stupid!! Fouling isn't recommended as option 1 defensively but it IS an option!! Every player has SIX fouls to give in every game. "Hard" =/= "violence".
oh its a FACT that its EASIER to score now a days.. Even Euro players say its EASIER to score in the NBA than in European basketball leagues.. old heads talk a lot of crap but old heads can compare eras that THEY lived in.. young people dont know ANYTHING outside of THEIR OWN generations.. if young heads did ACTUAL RESEARCH then they wouldnt sound so ignorant.
What LOW is saying is cap. Why is it cap? Because, you can go back historically and see with your own eyes or use stats. 2023 Team Regular Season PPG Average: 114.7 ppg 2023 Team Playoff PPG Average: 105.5 ppg 1998 Team Regular Season PPG Average: 95.6 ppg 1998 Team Playoff PPG Average: 90.6 ppg Why? Because defensive intensity is ratcheted up and the refs swallow the whistle. We all watched in 2023 when the Celtics put the CLAMPS on Durant and he got that 90s treatment. The pace of play is still higher do to back court time (from 10 to 8 seconds) and shot clock resets (24 down to 14) which help push the pace even more which is compounded by the 3pt shooting. While not exactly the same, the playoff defensive intensity of today is closer to 90s era regular season defense and refereeing. I can go on
ppg is higher because teams take more threes and individually on average players are more efficient, + rules like 3 second violation being implemented. most players with some exceptions put in effort, its just a lot harder to stop players
Your eyes are lyijg to u buddy.. that shit was soft asf outside of the few teams that fouled hard…fouling hard isn’t defense but no you’re wrong u can’t be watching . Ur dumb asf for using stats…eyes only when talking about defense
Everyone’s stats dip in the playoffs. Partially due to the amped up physicality and less strict reffing, but I’d say it’s more mental. Higher stakes, fuller arenas, the fact that once 3 games pass there’s no guarantee there will be another one.
The NBA's rating is at an all-time low internationally. Why is that? I live in trinidad, and when I played basketball in the 80's & 90's you couldn't walk a mile in and direction without seeing something Thea resembled a basketball court or a makeshift basketball set-up on the side of the street or in someone's yard or garage. NBA players back then inspired us, not just here in trinidad, but internationally. There are better facilities nowadays but the courts are not as populated with young boys & girls interested in the game anymore. P.S. MJ IS THE GOAT.
Ratings are tracked internationally now? Last I checked the one doing that was Nielsen who takes a small sample of households (typically middle class) and then figures out these numbers so that the advertisers stay happy. Shame that doesn't mean much in an era of streaming and that's not even taking piracy into account. All of these sports leagues care more about their profits and revenues than ratings and in that regard the NBA is doing fine to the point that they are planning to expand with new teams in the next five years. The problem with the ratings argument whether in basketball or other sports is that those who bring those numbers up tend to think that they represent whether peoplelLIKE a program or not. So they project their feelings onto the numbers.
NBA has grown a huge international audience by millions by the likes of China. Your small carribean island of like 20000 isnt even compeating with Rhode Island
Same. What's wrong with a game that ends like 99-92? Games that go to like 150-130 are boring, usually are absolute blow outs and no one can convince me otherwise. This narrative that bigger numbers = more good needs to die because it's nonsense.
@@oddoni because i actually watch the games and not what the media says. They have no left hand, no spacing, no offensive schemes, absolutely NO defensive schemes because they would be called illegal defense. Try actually watching the games with an unbiased eye, you’ll be enlightened.
@@user-ug3fg2jf8m Yeah maybe you should follow your own advice mr unbiased. As a general rule 150 games are boring and games that don't break 100 tend to have better defensive performances. It's not rocket science. Watching highlights on tik tok doesn't equal to actually watching the games, pointdexter. You going "MORE POINTS MORE GOOD" is literally a subjective opinion so stop pretending like someone else having a preference for defense is being this biased subjective asshole while you're the king of objectivity. You're a hypocrite is what you are. You can like 150 games I dgaf but me not liking boring ass 150+ games is none of your goddamn business so you can go take a hike with your BS.
So all of us are never gonna learn the cycle then? Fuck all of us in 10 years are gonna say the same thing as the "old heads" you are all weird to compare shit like this
Players are definitely more skilled but the lack of effort on defense is blindingly obvious. Even something as simple as not challenging for a dunk for fear of a ‘poster’. Do they even sell posters anymore?
Today’s basketball is hella trash that’s why views are down and Adam silver looking for some changes lol yes there is talent don’t get me wrong but the game in general has been destroyed it’s a weak game and all about fouls and free throws which is super boring
I agree with them the defenses were alot more physical and no FLOPS. Its legit defenses will not let some player much less a rookie embarrass them. Detroit Boston Portland and Utah and other teams like were examples of teams that if they could not match up they will beat a player up. The great Players rise above this that's what made them so amazing....
"People like scoring" Last year's ASG, both teams scored 175. Few called it 'GOAT ASG'. If "points" are so impressive, more people would watch Steph in an empty practice gym than in games!!! If was all about "ball go through hoop", the NBA wouldn't still be here!!
Remember when MJ petitioned the league to not change the illegal defense rule then was quoted saying that he wouldn't have had as great of a career without it.🤔 Then came out of retirement to play with the new rule and couldn't make the playoffs
Which one is it... is it Jordan bad because he didn't make it out of the first round in his first 3 seasons or is it Jordan bad because uh rule change in early 00s and he didn't make it to the playoffs? Basketball is a team sport and you are only so good on your own. On the other hand, he traded Rip Hamilton so...
Brah you didn’t see no games back then WE SEE ALL THE GAMES TODAY AND WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE!” All that stuff you sayin is easier said then done!” Bring back hand checking then we’ll see just how good some of these so called skilled players are!
@@Kings0424 Because you don’t want to see good defense proves the players are not as good as you think! Trust me we can tell! Curly with the globe trotters had the best handles anybody have ever seen, but all that changes in a reAl game against good players that actually know how to play real defense!
@My-by Bruh most people doesn't want to see low scoring defensive games bro. That would be boring as hell and fans would probably stop watching that. Besides I'm an offensive guy who loves offense
You ever noticed ppl who couldn't even be a water boy have the most knowledge about the game of any era until you've actually played against MJ or AI shut up
Bro , do yall actually watch games from the 90s ??? Its obvious they play harder and defend harder , they leave it all out their . Now days defense is non existent
If you watch 90s games there were like 6 teams every year with somewhat complex or movement heavy half court offenses as well. Call me crazy for exercising common sense but if the focus of the offense is literally strong side all game with at most one shooter to space the floor it's way easier to force low scoring games.
He didn’t start watching basketball until 2k was PS3😂. Young guys like him (he’s not young, he’s in his early 30’s and is technically an old head too 😂) has only seen select 90’s games that they’ve seen on NBAtv or TH-cam. It’s not like he’s watching a random regular season game in ‘96 of the Wizards and Clippers. They didn’t live through it and is only seeing it after already knowing the outcome
Appreciate you speak on this LOW and I think people overlook that the changes are also trying to keep players more safe and keep people from injury by being body slammed and stepping under shooters while they land.
No one lied about anything. Older fans watched both eras. Younger fans have mostly only watch their era, and some of them are only watching highlights. This is cap. We keep moving the goalpost to hype up guys of today. We say they're better shooters, but the percentages aren't significantly higher. We say they're better ball handlers and dribblers. Of course, you're going to look better if you're allow to carry and travel. Are we not watching games where almost no defense is attempted. Plenty of regular games look just like the all-star game. Then a lot of people push this idea of "if they were really that good, they wouldn't have to play physical." That's a ridiculous argument. Is the average team mixing in more of the concepts of what they great teams were doing back in the day? Yes they are. But we keep making excuse after excuse for any weakness guys today have. IF you put nothing but offensive guys on the floor, it's going to look like offenses were better compared to back in the day, and that's why defense "seemed" better. Guys don't even care about defense and hustling today. We act like no one back in the day ever had the idea to have more than one 3-point shooter on the court at a time. The difference is today everyone wants to shoot the 3, and I've watched plenty of games where coaches allowing their big to shoot a lot of 3s and dribble all day like hurt a team more than it helped
@@drechillin2154this is the kind of MJ cockriding that led to the younger generations watching whole games to see if MJ got whooped. But he didnt. Watch the focking 63-point game against Celtics, game looked like a WNBA game. No defense. Lol. Slow pace.
Do I think 80s or 90s defense should return? No. I don't want players getting roughed up unnecessarily. The lack of effort and intelligence on the defensive end is sickening. I am one of those people that appreciates defense, it's become a lost art. The top stars either don't show effort or intelligence on the defensive end. I'm a Celtics fan and the amount of irritation from their lack of intelligence on the floor drives me up a wall. My favorite year by them is obvious: 2008. Not because they won the title. That was the kind team I want to watch. Team defense down the line. You don't have that anymore. This is why players like Marcus Smart, Draymond Green and Kawhi Leonard fascinates me so much. A lost art.
Notice the lack of any mention of hand checking? Hand checking changed the way defenses were played without mauling a player or breaking the rules. Also the 2004/2005 Pistons were defensive Jugganauts and awesome to watch. They didnt hold teams to 90pts, but 70pts. Today refs overlook a ridiculous amount of traveling and carrying the ball. The rules havent changed but the officating has certainly made the game easier for offensive players. Todays regular games look like 1980s All-Star games.
Handchecking is the most overrated rule ever. Guards still scored just fine. Guards today still handcheck when playing defense it’s just they don’t have their arm on you for 20 seconds. If Micheal Adam’s in the 90s was an all star who shot a lot of 3s with handchecking yeah more skilled guards today would be just fine.
The carrying of the ball I think is one of the biggest changes it allows so many dribble moves and hesitations that literally can’t be guarded. The pistons being able to hold teams to low points was mostly due to the slow pace and terrible offenses that’s why it’s literally called the dead ball era
@@Cakebattered yeah due to the slow pace. Again not saying they were a bad defense team. They would probably be the best defensive in todays nba with there personnel. But teams would still score above 100 against them majority of the time
But you don't understand. The pistons would get blown out by a minimum of 40 by any team from the nba today. maybe defense was more physical, but they cannot hold any sort of modern offense, whereas modern defense can hold modern offense. Defenses evolve based on eras, for example, no one plays zone anymore, and players always switch on screens.
After the Detroit Pistons won the second year in a row in 1990 (to those unfamiliar, they were a defensive powerhouse team)... this wasn't ideal for the NBA business component $$$, as a result "they" made a conscious effort with the referees to reduce and or eliminate that defensive element, so yes, the oldheads have lied to us about the 90's defense. Off the ball the physicality has always been there... back then and today, but on the ball the whistle tends to be pretty goofy and can be ridiculously so. The referee on the ball whistle of today is reminiscent on someone trying to guard Jordan in the 90's... putting your hands up to contest a shot can be a foul depending on what the referees are doing in any given game. They have the modern NBA players more paranoid than ever (and rightfully so), so it's the standard in the modern game at times to not contest shots because it's not worth it... they'll likely get a feel of how a particular game is being officiated first. I can explain this the long way, but it would be a short essay, so I'll leave it at that.
maaaaan defensive games are the best games to watch becuase its all about 'whos gonna score the next basket". cuz theres a high possibility that both teams will NOT score continually after another... also bringing back 90s-early 00s defense, scoring would drop tremendously. making the game more watchable. a Hard fought 90 pts to win the game with overtime is a lot more entertaining than an easy 130, no overtime!
Yeah the nba becoming softer and less physical has coincided with ratings dropping on tv and less attention in middle america. You can claim that it's just increased skill but at the end of the day there's a reason the NFL will dominate as a product and that's bc of the competitiveness. Heck there are womens college basketball games beating the nba in ratings now.
This dude exemplifies the league nowadays😂 He sounds like a soft as baby💩 whiner🤭 "uuuugh, if you’re being physical you’re not playing within the rules😩” "If you’re fouling it’s illegal”😭 Bruh Physical play was the rule. Hand checking and contact were allowed because that’s how ball was played. Offensive players were taught to play through contact, not FLOP because someone looked at you sideways 🤭. You cannot sit there and say players are more skilled today, and yet acknowledge that the game is called much more tighter by the officials. Without contact, players from the 90s would have no contact to play through. The games easier for them. This dudes a clown
The game is not meant to be played with all that contact its not a physical sport to that degree. Go watch hockey and football if you wanna see all that physicality.
They should just allow off ball hand checking only , that give off ball defense more of advantage against these amazing shooters . And give offense more of a reason to include cuts & drives in the offensive scheme .
I think Kenyon explained fairly well when he talked in the Arenas pod cast. Teaching defense or practicing defense is not done anymore. So it has decrease to the point that you learn defense from osmosis and not by practicing defensive concepts and the effort is not there anymore. And as he said the pride not to allow someone to score on you is lost to many players.
Here’s the thing I’m not saying people played Better defense in the 90s but the league nerfed the way you can play defense in turn it’s really not balanced
Bruh that clip of that chick on Gils podcast is crazy, she literally says she wants to see players able to knock each other on their ass without being called for a foul. Since when was that ever a part of organized basketball? They created the flagrent foul specifically to stop that shit because tackling someone as they're going up for a shot isn't defense and its dangerous. If you can't stop the shot without needing to touch the ballhandler then your footwork is trash and you never were a good defender to begin with.
- should definitely be able to touch the offensive player - should definitely be a bigger emphasis on defensive ability in the league overall - league is more spaced now and the pace is faster in general i agree w low
Bad take NBA players haven’t gotten so skilled that actual defense is ineffective. What the actual difference is penalizing defense so much so that players just don’t even try anymore. The NBA is a joke now it was better when the scores would be 90-100 points because you knew that defense would have to step up now it’s just whoever gets the last shot is Winning
8:03 The NBA went from being too physical to not physical enough definitely needs some balance. I watched a game yesterday and all I seen was a lackluster defense and 6 minutes of worth of missed 3’s.
Heading into the 1994-95 season, the NBA came up with a logical solution - prompt the players to shoot more three-point shots. The league shortened the three-point line from 23 feet 9 inches to 22 feet. On top of that, players who got fouled while shooting a three-pointer were also rewarded with three free throws, and defenders were no longer allowed to hand-check until the offensive player got below the foul line. They also intensified the fines and suspensions for technical fouls and players who perform unsportsmanlike gestures during games. According to then-NBA vice president for basketball operations Rod Thorn, they felt the need to implement the changes. Otherwise, the best league in the world would be less entertaining as far as high-level basketball goes and could become more like a "grappling match." It didn't work out The shortened three-point line went on to actualize, but unfortunately, it didn't generate the results the NBA was expecting. It did less to increase league-wide scoring, and the game was still physical. It also didn't help that some three-point shooters at the time did not like the feel of shooting a bit closer. In 1997, the NBA had no choice and returned the three-point line to its original position. It became the official three-point distance in the NBA to this day.
Saying that nobody wants to watch slow, defensive basketball is as much gatekeeping as saying everyone wants to watch fast, offensive basketball; balance is the right answer here. If you grew up watching a more physical game, you're likely not going to like the finesse game played today. Some people, like myself, want to see a more balanced game involving the high skill of today's game blended with the better defensive effort that was given in the past. It can be done.
I stopped watching the NBA for many years because of a lack of offense. A lack of skill/finesse led to physicality taking precedent over actual basketball ability
Youngster you don't know what the heck you talking about bro. Defense and fouling with fouling is part of the game that's why they give you five of them. Come on player you don't look like an athlete so you probably don't what it is to compete with athletes when you're equal. In so many ways you may need to foul, it's part of the play. That's why "hack a Shaq" became a thing they would foul him because they knew he couldn't shoot free throws. It's chess versus you new cats like the checkers basketball era. doubling happen when there was a matchup issue. if everyone's 7 ft and shooting threes of course you don't double but that's why the game sucks it's an exhibition of shooting threes and jogging down the court and see who could be the first one to 150 points.
ausar thompson was looking great defensively early. idk about lately but the dude was making some crazy defensive plays. im talking prime kawhi esk type stuff for the first like 15 games. if he could shoot he'd be a great 2-way gaurd
back in my day we'd leave an HIV needle on the floor if someone was scoring too much
Lmao
😂😂😂😂
In this pill junkie non defense playing era, NBA players will rest from mental illness because they don't have enough Instagram followers. 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣
I dont get it lol..my bad
@@cameronvaughn8434Magic...
I grew up watching basketball in the 90s and they said the exact same thing about defense back then.
I'll never forget that clip of the first Dream Team practice when Magic Johnson said that MJ was getting free throws for players breathing on him.
Do you remember Jordan's reply? He told Magic that he hadnt committed a foul in a year in a half so why is he talking.
@@mikerobinson6969”fouled out”
@@legendarywiimaster yes after he said what I commented he then said i dont think youve ever fouled out of a game? Then asked Bird when did he ever foul out of a game.
Clown comment
The 90s-early 2000s is literally the lowest ppg of all time
NBA fanboys just making up history lol
You are lying 🤥 through your teeth!! No such statement was made.
I'm an oldhead myself and I have a theory.
I don't think they were playing better defense "back in the day" in the 90's, I think the way offenses were built changed, and I think Michael Jordan had a lot to do with it.
Jordan was the greatest player ever back then. Shooting, rebounding, passing, steals, blocks, defense, he could do it all. But most of all, no one could guard him one-on-one. He didn't play on super teams, not even when he was winning titles. He was always the prime scoring option. Other teams saw that and started looking for players who had great handles and could take players one on one. Steve Francis, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, these are guys who followed Jordan. Great scorers, but missing Jordan's all around excellence. But they were great one on one.
Watching basketball back then got pretty dull. Four guys standing around, four guys guarding them, and the scorer getting ready to go one one one with the other team's best defender. Also, Pat Riley's strategy with a Knicks team with Patrick Ewing and pretty much no one else was to slow the game down, ugly it up and play bully-ball with hard defense. It was boring. A lot of guys liked watching the great players, but there were games where the pros scored fewer points than a lot of college teams.
Then the Spurs brought back the game of motion and passing. Pace and space. Instead of the court seeming too small for ten players, it seemed like the court got bigger because players were farther apart and moving. The Spurs would forego a good shot for a great shot, making the extra pass. Tim Duncan didn't hurt, but the offensive style was more of a factor. Teams would use the pace and space theory to play small ball without a pure center, and they did well.
Then Steph Curry happened. The three pointer made the court even bigger, because defenses had to guard even more of it, because the three point shot went from a desperation heave to a legit strategy of offense. Combine the return of the game of movement with increasing use and success of the three point shooting and now the court is huge. Defenders have to worry about being out at the arc, on the wings, down low. And now bigs are shooting threes and getting better at passing. The ball moves faster and there's only so much territory five guys can cover.
The game is changing. What looks like poor defense is really just desperation. Defenders are almost forced to risk fouls just to stay with offensive players. Michael Jordan's style was a trend that got followed. So was Riley's bully ball strategy. So was the pace and space. Trends come and go.
I'd rather have this than one-on-one contests and 80-75 games. Guys are still playing defense. Jokic is. Embiid is. Leonard is (when he's healthy). It's just not enough sometimes.
Now a sensible comment from an oldhead and not jumping the gun bashing the modern era. Evolution!!!
Only thing I have to say is Jordan definitely played with a super team
@@Stej-i7m Great point.
@@cdeleon3494 You know how it is, I have a sentimental preference for the era when I started watching basketball in the early 80's. But look at a few rosters from that time. There were dozens of players who would have no business on the court today. It seemed each team had a guy who was a backup center because he had seven feet and six fouls. Kevon Looney would have fit right in in the 80's. He's the Tree Rollins of the 21st Century. But from your star to player 15, these guys can play.
Like the Timberwolves where I live. Anthony Edwards, Towns, Gobert, then Naz Reid, Ryan "Slo-mo" Anderson, all the way down to Jordan McLaughlin. They can play. I loved watching the Lakers/Celtics wars, but this is the best time to be a basketball fan.
@@VinceLyle2161 yes sir!! Love the insight
Can we stop ignoring how the expansion of what's permissable with the dribble has impacted the game? And the amount of foul baiting.
I'm a Mavs fan and I freely acknowledge that Luka travels ALL the time vs what was called 8-10 years ago.
The Harden and Embiid/Big Harden flopping really kicked off with Manu and Pau Gasol but is at all time levels, that impacts how players have to play defense.
And the two-step step back 3 that Harden really pioneered, used to be a travel but also expands the advantage that the offensive player has.
The Old Heads are misrepresenting their era but it's disingenuous to ignore how the game has opened up from a rules perspective for the Offense.
@@Stej-i7mI think it really started even earlier but you're right the 2015ish time is when it went into overdrive
Ok but the harden step back isnt a travel, its a gather step and 2 steps. It looks weird but when you slow it down hes perfected it and doesnt travel
They would have called all those things back in the day, it’s why Stern didn’t want them doing And1 moves, if you just want offense dominated Ball go see the Globetrotters.
@@rb43210and that’s the problem, they spend more time on AAU things and not fundamentals like playing better defense.
Free throw rate is down with more pace buddy …these dudes got more fouls with less pace and by the way today they go in more back in day they took bad mid range shots
1:50 EXACTLY. They actively admit that they couldn’t defend anyone so they had to clothesline and tackle their opponents.
The commissioner came out and said he changed the rules to help offenses. Stop the bs
@@mauricewells7838 this comment doesn’t contradict what I said.
The fact of the matter is that with spacing, offensive players are going to score more and with the inclusion of the 3 point shot, scoring numbers are going to go up. Offense is way easier than defense because defensive players have to act last. It's hard to defend when you're defending a player who can spot up from anywhere within 30 feet of the basket. And the other teammates can spot up from anywhere from 15-25 feet from the basket.
Yeah, go ahead, double team Luka, Embiid. Watch them dump it off to the 2nd option and then the 2nd option scores 30 on 17 shots.
"yeah the reason they would send doubles is cause players like you were on the floor" 😂😂😂
That killed me
Nowadays rules favor offense. Some of us fans dont wana see exhibition allstar game scores every night
Hold up young buck. According to Low youre a liar if you say you don't want to see that.
Think I'm lying? 4:00
@zelohendricks51 To each their own. I know some might like it, others don't 🤷♂️
@@MrSoulja87 Oh for sure. I just think it's stupid for low to have that take. If he wants to be taken seriously saying things like that doesn't help
Defense is overrated af. Nobody wants to see that. Today's nba is far superior to previous eras
@@rektz2457 "Defense is overrated". Are you dumb? Defense is half of what Basketball is. You are the exact normie type that the NBA is catering too. Stick to watching All Star Games
I read an old article from the 80s complaining about how the current era (that is, the freaking 80s) was soft and how the 60s was much better. Nowadays people are romanticizing that same 80s era. I remember people calling players during the 2000s soft and out of control and now here we are looking back fondly at the same 2000s we called soft. Oldheads will forever be oldheads.
Back in the 90s, Walt Frazier said that Wilt would average 75 points in today's league. (and yes, he was talking about the 90s.) Gotta love how the cycle repeats itself
@@legendarywiimasterTrue
Was searching for a video to watch while eating, perfect timing
😂😂 no lie
Fax 🤣
Back in the 90s the floor spacing wasnt as open as it is now. If you know player A is going to shoot a middy or go to the rack you can defend that easy but if you open up the 3 point line then you open up the middle. Now whats happening is that spacing has got to the point where the lane is so wide open and more players are deadly from 3 so you cant leave them open to much
Old head ball looks slow and unathletic
Right
Yea I don’t even count hoops from before the mid 80s buncha coke heads in the league throwin games for drugs and shit
until we go out there and try to stop them we would get cooked to 😂
@@AceTheCap823 😅 true
@@LAking-hg5ycnot if I could play defense like Bill Laimbeer
Players in the 80s and early 90s were playing at similar pace and average the same ppg as the current players. The game because more defensive ever since 93 and it had a lot to do with the league expanding. When you add 6-7 teams within 8 year time span, the quality of talent is diluted and it leads to a slower pace and low scoring averages. Outside of the Bulls, most teams built their rosters around dominant bigs and didnt recognize the value of shooting a lot of threes. Old heads are very nostalgic and love to lie alot about how great the 80s/90s was. A true fan appreciates great players and teams from each era instead of being biased towards a certain time period.
bro why can’t we ever have honest convos abt defense in the nba. Always either hatin on the current day while gassin the previous eras or vice versa. Very rarely honest convos abt how certain things are different in each era
The current day fans are the dishonest ones. We live in an era where people think anyone that happened in the last 2 months is the greatest thing they've ever seen. Every 3 or 4 years people are saying someone is the GOAT in something: sports, rap, comedy
@@SonicBoomC98 When has that not been the case? People tend to live in the present.
@@NotaPizzaGRL You can live in the present but not think every new thing is the greatest thing ever. Living in the present and being slave to the present are two different things. I didn't have to be alive at the same time my parents were young to recognize that some of the best music ever came out during that time
@@SonicBoomC98No, almost *everybody* is dishonest with this shit…
I’ve heard “Bron wouldn’t even be a starter in the ‘80s!” as often as I’ve heard that same nonsense about Jordan if he played now…
And the truth is simple: the top guys are mostly the same.
Duncan played in ‘96 and ‘14. He was an MVP candidate on a team that won a ring in ‘98 and then won his last ring in 2014. He was the same guy, just older.
Sure, at 39, he wasn’t as amazing at everything he could do at 24, but that’s normal.
Garnett. Kobe. Jason Kidd. Shaq. Dirk. Ray Allen.
They all played at LEAST a season which started in the ‘90s and all were the same guy in the ‘00s and ‘10s.
@@NotaPizzaGRLAs much as nostalgia blindness is an issue, so is recency bias.
Anyone pretending that any professional basketball player would fail to adapt to different rules despite playing under them at the Olympics, in college, etc is an idiot.
Not to mention, the guys who are usually involved in this debate?
One started his career the year after the other ended his… We’re not talking about humans growing a third leg in that time.
This video is called "denial", Adam Silver literally explained the purpose of the rule changes and this is the result. Field goal percentages and scoring went up immediately following changes to make scoring easier. Low said this himself in his older video, not sure why he somehow forgot what he knew years ago.
efficiency goes up because players get better. Unless you’re saying that the year where these rules were changed/implemented saw a large spike in efficiency this is just wrong
The hypocrisy of these gen z and gender neutral Brontards is that they say the 90s was a weaker era, while literally watching players get hit like they're in a mixed martial arts match. Dudes who think like LOW would quit the NBA and switch to sumo wrestling. 🤡👺🤣🤣😭😭🤣🤣
@@eberdamilcar2130 Yes, scoring went up and efficiency went up across the board as soon as handchecking was removed for example. Players did not magically improve from one year to the next, you can see a lot of the same players scoring and efficiency improve with the rule change. The rules changed, the officiating changed, the NBA started to select for players who can do well in the new environment, these are the primary causes of the scoring/efficiency increases.
It's no secret, the NBA wanted more scoring and we now have the current environment. There's plenty of articles and interviews where the NBA execs/owners openly discuss this.
@@Taj_Rahinewhat rule change happened in the late 2010s? Cuz we weren’t seeing insane points every night until very recently
@@stefankilleyajones3018 In my previous reply I said that officiating changed as well, which can happen even without a change in rules. Still, there were also more rule changes beyond handchecking that made scoring easier as well. One of the rules making it easier for shooters is actually the Zaza rule. But again, this is just one rule, part of the many rules/changes making offense easier today. Either way, if you go back to the changes that happened when the handcheck was removed you will clearly see a pattern of efficiency and scoring steadily increasing every year from that point. And if you watch the game (which no one actually does anymore) you will clearly see the game being called in a way that gives many advantages to the offense (clearing out, pushing off, zero step). Again, it's no secret, the commissioner of the NBA has said very recently that the rules now are set to allow skilled players to show their skill and score, he does not plan on changing things back.
It's not just bad defense though, it's what the players of today are allowed to get away with on offense also.. carrying the ball in between dribbles, a lot of traveling, moving screens every time.. complete annihilation of hand checking and the 3 second violation in the paint has also added to it., The combination of extremely whiny players complaining on every single play and awful officiating as well has made NBA almost unwatchable..
You're just hating. Today's nba is the most skilled it has ever been by far! The stats speak for itself
Sir Yap a lot of
@@Stej-i7myour over exaggerating 😂
@@Stej-i7mit wasn’t people of todays game that started carrying and traveling to you know that right. It was happening in the 90s
@@Stej-i7mand you do realize officiating has always been horrible especially in the 90s right.
Luka and Giannis both said its easy to score in the nba as opposed to the euro leagues. No stars from the 90s or 2000s would ever say that. The rule changes and spacing have obviously made it easy to score and score efficiently. Low doesn't know what he's talking about on this one...
they said easier not easy. also the court in Euroleague is smaller theres more space now.
@@ubadman1Come on bro, in addition to more spacing no hand checking can't crowd the shooters space or its a flagrant, defense is so trash they don't even fight over screens anymore. Luka will call for a screen the defense switches and he immediately has a mismatch which equals and easy score. Perimeter defender don't even try to fight over screens anymore lol, defense in this era is non existent...
well magic said nobody can breath on jordan, else its a could. chamberlain said mj was given the benefit of the league to score more.
Cope harder
That's your only rebuttal?
Dude, if a rule is taking away something an offense can exploit, it is by definition favoring the defense. Basketball is a zero sum game, taking something away from the offense is giving it to the defense, and if something is making it harder for the offense, then it’s easier for the defense, and vice versa.
Nah man why is barely anyone pointing out that they all said it was Embiid being dominant, Dame and D-Mitch got theirs from being on fire and shooting a ton and no one was saying it was bad defense, just "they were that good that night". When Luka does it though, suddenly its bad defense.
"Suddenly"? Why are you making this about Luka? People have been complaining about this "bad defense" era for years and _definitely_ were complaining about defense last year when those performances happened.
@@BlueGrovyle yeah, people been complaining how they hate organized basketball. This isn't the street where you can literally grab dudes and get away with it. People complain about defense being bad when it's not, it's simply this era doesn't have as many offensive liabilities so it's harder to defend one person as a team when everyone on the court is a capable scorer. Hand checking wouldn't slow shit down in today's NBA because of how efficient players and systems are now. People say the 2000's had good defense when in reality it had a bunch of hero ball and horrible shot taking. Kobe made a career of taking bad shots that fell. Stop being so fucking dumb.
@@BlueGrovyle also it's obvious it's an issue now that the white boy scored 73. I didn't see shit about how horrible the spurs are defensively or just overall when Embiid dropped his 70. Also like low said in the video, pretty much every great scoring performance like that was done against a trash team. People act like Kobe dropped 81 on the bad boy pistons when he literally got to play 1 on 1 all game against what was one of the worst defensive teams of it's era in the raptors.
@@MmaMadman85exactly no one is dropping 70 on the Celtics or Timberwolves. I always laugh when people say defense doesn’t matter anymore yet the contenders every year are always the top defensive teams
@@MmaMadman85 if you didn't see anything, then look harder lol. Everyone knows the Spurs are one of the worst teams in the league and that their defense is bad. The hate on modern basketball is everywhere. Instead of complaining strictly about defense in Embiid's 70 point game, they complained the loudest about all the free throws, which is still tangential at least.
"People don't want to watch defense..."
I'm still a little dead inside from watching those Nets/Spurs series. Those were the worst.
Balance is best, but if I had to choose offense or defense, give me all the offense.
Spurs/Pistons made me stop caring about basketball for many many years
I like that you brought up double teams cause embiid got doubled a couple times but would either pass it away immediately which disrupts the defense or would shoot his midrange immediately. Either way, he found ways to make those particular doubles useless so it didn’t really matter in the end
as a viewer and fan i think defensive intensity is entertaining. seeing the will to stop someone and the focus and effort for a missed shot i think viewers would love to see. for example, the slapping of the ground on defense. it keeps people hyped maybe not as much as a off dribble three or dunk but TEN TIMES more than defenders jogging back on D or staying next to their man just enough so they don't foul or get subbed. Good defense is entertaining. but yeah balance is needed, I don't think there is a coincidence between stars not playing defense. it's tiring!! interested to see the new rules in talks for more balance.
Intense defense makes great scores more exciting go see. Today's NBA is like eating a bowl of cake frosting. I gets boring fast.
@@Cakebatteredespecially the playoffs. Teams just exchange blowouts for 6 games
Right and people wonder why the ratings are the lowest ever.
Fans want to see players score on good defense
I used to enjoy watching and hating the celtics and Spurs!!! Watching Kobe and co. Having to get past a tough Houston, rockets, Phoenix Suns and Denver Nuggets back in 2008 - 10 were sights to be hold!! Those teams played tough and quick defenses and made the Lakers have to earn every victory in full game 7 series!
What is insane is that Perk did play in one of the best defensive eras ever, but here is the issue. Defense has only ever gotten better. Yes scoring is up, but only because players are just that much better offensively.
A star player dropping 60 on a bad team isn't a sign of league wide bad defense. It's just 1 player not limiting himself against a garbage team
I see the argument “these guys score 40 every night so it’s not special anymore” all the time. It never makes sense to me because it’s almost always the same handful of guys dropping 40. Some people can’t understand that maybe, just maybe, there are some legendary offensive talents in the league rn. There has never been a player like bron, steph, harden, kd, giannis, etc.. in the history of the league
Harden has more free throw points than actual shooting points. Which again highlights the problems with the handcuffing todays game does on defense.
Giannis is a significantly worse version of Wilt Chamberlain
"Defense has only ever gotten better"
Are you high? Take a look at how defensive ratings have slumped. You got NOBODY under 100 nowadays, team defensive ratings are slumping. All the defensive metrics are slumping. Steals are down, blocks are down. Every single way you can measure defense points to it being worse now than it has ever been.
It's not that the skill is lacking it's that defense can only get better if it's ALLOWED to get better. Officiating has gotten to the point where a defender can't even breathe on an opponent without getting called for a foul. Offensive players are literally throwing themselves at defenders because they know that as soon as the ref sees that contact has been made they blow the whistle and call the foul on the defender. So how the hell can defense get better when refs don't allow ANY kind of physical defense to be played? It's actually insane that YOU think that, like how many straight jackets they got on you level of crazy.
@@inefektIt's because the players today are better. The average player of today is better than the average player of thirty years ago. Not hard to understand.
"No defense" because how you supposed to defend these guys especially with all the spacing. The best defense in the 90s would have no idea what to do with Luka, curry, or jokic/embiid with shooters around them
I would like to see a video on why players today cant play as many games as they did in the past. I dont really care about the eras comparison. Everyone exaggerates the past for nostalgia to make it seem better. That being said I wish guys played 80 games a seaosn again. Kind of sucks when you favorite player is out when he's visitng town
@@Stej-i7m hmm
Probably to risk less injuries
Yeah, it does suck, personally I could break an arm and still try to play,but it’s a business. Sitting out 10 games a season could allow you to play for more years, thus making you more money. At the same time the owners are protecting their asset. I’m fine with players missing games. The NBA and team owners had been making boatloads of money on the backs of their underpaid athletes for 50-60 years. Many former all time greats are broke.
I’m an old head and I admit that overall today’s players are much more athletic and a lot better shooters. And on the whole, much more skilled. The thing I don’t love about today’s game is the 3 point line. I know it’s mathematically the right thing to jack up a bunch of 3’s but it makes the games a lot more boring for me.
I do agree with Perk on one thing tho, I’m getting ejected before someone give me 60. But that’s just me tho.
That's basically 90s defense lmao
Sounds like the coward's way out to me.
@@Recurseseven without the fouls. You wasnt scoring 60 on Payton
Neither are u?@@Chris56076
So when you get ejected, he's still getting 60
This is why the Heat tend to be, regardless of seed, so lethal in the playoffs, first they have a coach that specifically specializes in defensive scheming in Erik Spoelstra and has cultivated a culture centered around pride and effort, so that even objectively defensive liabilities are going to try on that end of the floor, but then Miami also tends to look for guys that are laterally quick enough to stay in front of guards yet long and tall enough to bother bigs and wings(see right now where Miami only has one guy under 6'3 on the roster and only one guy over 6'10) so when you give a team that's intentionally created to be long and laterally quick and a coach that is really damn good with his defensive schematics, and then you turn and give them a 7 game series against one team, they're usually going to find ways to cause issues and there's very few players on the team that you're going to be able to matchup hunt
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You have no clue what taking hand checking away did for creating space. It’s literally the reason the nba is so perimeter centric today. That’s not saying we necessarily want it in the nba today. Just recognizing the difference it made
None of them do.
One guy actually said “today’s players are so fast they’d just run by it!”
That is *maybe* the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard about hand-checking?…
Seeing as how hand-checking is *specifically* a tactic used to neutralize the *speed of a much faster offensive player.*
It’s like a football fan saying “No way a defensive player could commit pass interference against Randy Moss!… He always catches the ball when he’s wide-open!”
Dude, they still allow hand checking. They just don’t call it. Watch any game..
I like the fact that "old school defense" they talk about is basically beating the shit out of someone and not suffering any or minimalize consequences.
I think the problem is the league doesn’t reward players for playing both sides of the ball with the same tenacity. Like KD before injury was locking dudes down and scoring 30 on dude, that was always super entertaining. The star players with the defensive intensity have mostly gone away or they are only three and d type dudes.
Rule changes I would like to see are allowing more body checking, calling offensive pushoffs or hooks (honestly this one is the biggest problem). And being consistent with allowing vertical jumping defensively.
KD was never locking shit up stop it
@@lakernation26 bruh what? With golden state and some years with Okc he finished top ten defensively. With a defensive rating around 100.
@@lakernation26Casual
@@lakernation26are u high KD on the GSW was mad good on defense wym??? Have u ever watched him?? He was also averaging 1.5 blocks per game....
@@lestonclark2398. What u just described is called rim protection. Kd has NEVER been a lockdown on ball defenders but he is a elite help defender/ rim protector
I truly appreciate the nuanced way in which LOW has these basketball conversations.
JJ, PG, Jeff Teague,
LOW, Jimmy, Kenny, BSOLZ
Cam and Ma$e
Just a better way to consume NBA content
People won’t agree because they’ll refuse to actually watch basketball from that era. They might watch their favourite team or they’ll watch a couple games of the best of the best, but they won’t spend time watching different games of different role players of that era playing defence. They’ll be bored.
A lot of people in the comments weren’t even alive in that era or never watched that era of basketball yet talk about it like players always played great defense when the game had the same amount of it. Some players can’t play it (most players) but the few that can are really good at it. And that’s been true for every era.
I prefer watching Eurolegue games to NBA games. NBA looks dumbed down basketball and no defensive makes it even less watchable. I am not saying Euroleahue has better talent, but it is more entertaining to me (I am from Europe though). GSW, Nuggets with Jokić on the floor and maybe just a small couple of other teams are the only ones playing nice badketball
0:55 It's bad basketball because usually the exact same thing happens on the next possession. And that isn't how basketball in the 80's went. The pace was higher than the 90's and 2010's, but so was the defensive effort. It's less effort overall.
2:21 Cap...fouling is absolutely defense in the right context. You get 6 fouls per player, that is absolutely part of strategy. Slow down the pace, some players have a terrible time at the line in the clutch. i dont think fouling alone is a strategy but you are being very facetious saying fouling isnt defense. Stop that.
4:50 You cant just speed through that like it's not major. Allen Iverson use to get a LOT of carry violations called on him. So did Steve Francis, Marbury and players similar to that style. Not having to worry about that as much is a HUGE offensive advantage. Look at Harden at the Rockets, Kyrie at the Cavs/Celtics and everybody now with handles (including Luka)...about 45 percent of the hesi crosses, 0 step/3 step/gather step non travel calls are turnovers. That makes a difference, you are just looking at the headlines of the rules changes, we actually watched the games so some of this you won't get to appreciate fully. You can't.
9:39 Also cap, the schemes aren't better. People always hunted mismatches. You were able to do more on defense ...the volume of 3's attempted went up with D'Antoni and the Steve Nash Suns. Go watch the Spurs/Pistons back to back finals matchups if you think schemes are new. Defensively and on offense it was so many adjustments made. schemes aren't any better. Rules are more lenient and 3's are more spammed.
10:56 you are being facetious again....Even without the recent point outburst people are saying defensive effort is lowerr and defensive i.q. is lower for each player on average. i get the point of the video because i agree a lot of these old niggas are just hating or bitter but you are just dismissing shit based on a few examples. we saw the games then and now. I dont personally mind the higher scoring because basketball usually regresses to the mean in the playoffs. I grade scoring on a curve. Luka and Spyda getting 70 is like 50 to 55...still amazing. Harden averaging 35 is like 29 or 30. Still great. it's a different game
I'm slowly moving away from the nba because of the fans. Look at the nfl the old time players they're still getting the respect they deserved for being great. People make 90s basketball seem like Caveman era
The younger fans talk the most mess. They don't respect Old Ball. Football doesn't have that issue. Hell Baseball (to my knowledge) doesn't have that issue
Trust me, I can relate 🤦🏾♂️
@zelohendricks51 yeah in baseball you still have people considering Babe Ruth in the top 10 all time. Despite how ridiculous that is knowing he never faced an African American or a Cuban player in his days
In all fairness, the older players and fans don't have any respect for the next generation and continuously downplay the game. It's a wonder the NBA is still making money with how often it gets slandered by fans, media, and previous generations alike.
@@slackerofhell Yeah let's be honest. That's bs. The older player generally only talk about defense. They don't crap on the entire era like fans now do to the older eras.
You either sent it to the post for a hook shot or you had one dude that couldn’t shoot from beyond 18 but just drove the ball to the rim and tried to lay it up. That was basically the 90s in a nutshell. Barely anyone could shoot the ball it felt like
You ain’t been in da field LOW?😤😤😤
Exactly these takes are terrible
Lol what that's all he's known for. Being a good rebounder and defender@@smalways2651
You said “fouling isn’t defense”Fouling Shaq was definitely a Defensive Strategy
I think low is saying that Oldheads LIED to you about NBA defense in the 90s.
The only thing that is better about today's game is the ability of players to shoot the three. There were great three point shooters back in the 90's but not near as many as today.
I still think the league should give more liberty to defenders.
Yea they should bring back hand checking and physicality
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mand bring back unwatchable brickfests?
It’s insane how people pine for the days of “first to 80 wins” snoozers
@@chrisuncleahmad789 I want to see how skilled these current players are.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m I want to see what 2000s defenses could do when they couldn’t just pack the paint and force inefficient contested ahots
@@chrisuncleahmad789 The 2000s defenses would crush these current players especially since the bigs could stay in the paint and force shots.
Kenyon got on the most old man hat ever 😭
Exactly harder fouls are not good defense
No but it'll make you think twice about pushing into the paint next time
That's NOT his argument!!
He's saying fouls AREN'T defence.
Which is just stupid!!
Fouling isn't recommended as option 1 defensively but it IS an option!!
Every player has SIX fouls to give in every game.
"Hard" =/= "violence".
@@SatanicKale
Go looka t Luka vs ATL and tell me one good foul wouldn't make him think twice...
But instead, they all stand around and watch...
Yeah but carrying the ball, traveling and flopping aren’t good offense. Just look at how bad lot those player do in international competitions…
Fr. These haters really think punching someone in the face is good defense
Today's era is the most skilled ever!
oh its a FACT that its EASIER to score now a days.. Even Euro players say its EASIER to score in the NBA than in European basketball leagues.. old heads talk a lot of crap but old heads can compare eras that THEY lived in.. young people dont know ANYTHING outside of THEIR OWN generations.. if young heads did ACTUAL RESEARCH then they wouldnt sound so ignorant.
Man these old heads be lying about defense in the 90s I’m watching the 90s finals with Chicago and the defense wasn’t all that🤦🏽♂️
Guarantee your favorite team couldnt guard Chicago
@@Chris56076facts
@@Chris56076Guarantee u, the new players would drop 150+ points in a 4 quarter game.
@@Chris56076 Guarantee you peak 90's Bulls aint beating peak 2010's GSW
@@Chris56076send the KD warriors back to 1996 where the 3 point line was moved in.
Wonder when low gone talk about how the lakers are getting preferential treatment and refs are rigging games to let the lakers win
What LOW is saying is cap.
Why is it cap? Because, you can go back historically and see with your own eyes or use stats.
2023 Team Regular Season PPG Average: 114.7 ppg
2023 Team Playoff PPG Average: 105.5 ppg
1998 Team Regular Season PPG Average: 95.6 ppg
1998 Team Playoff PPG Average: 90.6 ppg
Why? Because defensive intensity is ratcheted up and the refs swallow the whistle. We all watched in 2023 when the Celtics put the CLAMPS on Durant and he got that 90s treatment. The pace of play is still higher do to back court time (from 10 to 8 seconds) and shot clock resets (24 down to 14) which help push the pace even more which is compounded by the 3pt shooting.
While not exactly the same, the playoff defensive intensity of today is closer to 90s era regular season defense and refereeing.
I can go on
ppg is higher because teams take more threes and individually on average players are more efficient, + rules like 3 second violation being implemented. most players with some exceptions put in effort, its just a lot harder to stop players
Your eyes are lyijg to u buddy.. that shit was soft asf outside of the few teams that fouled hard…fouling hard isn’t defense but no you’re wrong u can’t be watching . Ur dumb asf for using stats…eyes only when talking about defense
Bro obviously you can tell the 90s played harder , way more defense n 90s . Defense is dead n this era .
Everyone’s stats dip in the playoffs. Partially due to the amped up physicality and less strict reffing, but I’d say it’s more mental. Higher stakes, fuller arenas, the fact that once 3 games pass there’s no guarantee there will be another one.
@@kauffamn1016someone didn’t watch the video🫵🤡
The NBA's rating is at an all-time low internationally. Why is that? I live in trinidad, and when I played basketball in the 80's & 90's you couldn't walk a mile in and direction without seeing something Thea resembled a basketball court or a makeshift basketball set-up on the side of the street or in someone's yard or garage. NBA players back then inspired us, not just here in trinidad, but internationally. There are better facilities nowadays but the courts are not as populated with young boys & girls interested in the game anymore. P.S. MJ IS THE GOAT.
until trinidad gives us nba caliber players, nobody cares my boy lol
Ratings are tracked internationally now? Last I checked the one doing that was Nielsen who takes a small sample of households (typically middle class) and then figures out these numbers so that the advertisers stay happy. Shame that doesn't mean much in an era of streaming and that's not even taking piracy into account. All of these sports leagues care more about their profits and revenues than ratings and in that regard the NBA is doing fine to the point that they are planning to expand with new teams in the next five years.
The problem with the ratings argument whether in basketball or other sports is that those who bring those numbers up tend to think that they represent whether peoplelLIKE a program or not. So they project their feelings onto the numbers.
NBA has grown a huge international audience by millions by the likes of China. Your small carribean island of like 20000 isnt even compeating with Rhode Island
I do like watching defensive games. 90s Knicks vs. Heat and Knicks vs. Pacers were my favorite games to watch.
Same. What's wrong with a game that ends like 99-92? Games that go to like 150-130 are boring, usually are absolute blow outs and no one can convince me otherwise. This narrative that bigger numbers = more good needs to die because it's nonsense.
why do you think it’s good defensive games and not bad offensive games? lol delusional narratives.
@@user-ug3fg2jf8m why do you think it’s good offensive games and not bad defensive games? lol delusional narratives.
@@oddoni because i actually watch the games and not what the media says. They have no left hand, no spacing, no offensive schemes, absolutely NO defensive schemes because they would be called illegal defense. Try actually watching the games with an unbiased eye, you’ll be enlightened.
@@user-ug3fg2jf8m Yeah maybe you should follow your own advice mr unbiased. As a general rule 150 games are boring and games that don't break 100 tend to have better defensive performances. It's not rocket science. Watching highlights on tik tok doesn't equal to actually watching the games, pointdexter.
You going "MORE POINTS MORE GOOD" is literally a subjective opinion so stop pretending like someone else having a preference for defense is being this biased subjective asshole while you're the king of objectivity. You're a hypocrite is what you are. You can like 150 games I dgaf but me not liking boring ass 150+ games is none of your goddamn business so you can go take a hike with your BS.
So all of us are never gonna learn the cycle then? Fuck all of us in 10 years are gonna say the same thing as the "old heads" you are all weird to compare shit like this
there is no defense being played, you went to the hole you earned your points.
Players are definitely more skilled but the lack of effort on defense is blindingly obvious. Even something as simple as not challenging for a dunk for fear of
a ‘poster’. Do they even sell posters anymore?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
20 years ago how much of that allegedly great defense was a lack of effort on offense?
It aint skills it illegal ball handling
Perk acting like he didn’t play in he early-mid 2010s 💀
Today’s basketball is hella trash that’s why views are down and Adam silver looking for some changes lol yes there is talent don’t get me wrong but the game in general has been destroyed it’s a weak game and all about fouls and free throws which is super boring
You liked your own post. Nice
@@marcusg1021 uh no I didn’t lol
Yes you did. You were just waiting for a 2nd like, so you could reply to me 😆
@@marcusg1021 there are two likes and I am none of them LOL.
@@marcusg1021 TH-cam isn’t giving me notifications for your comments but here I’ll make it three just for you
It’s crazy how Perkins criticize the nba now when he’s always been on shaq n the fool when he was in the league 🤣
I agree with them the defenses were alot more physical and no FLOPS. Its legit defenses will not let some player much less a rookie embarrass them. Detroit Boston Portland and Utah and other teams like were examples of teams that if they could not match up they will beat a player up. The great Players rise above this that's what made them so amazing....
No there were definitely flips💀💀💀
Lambeer or however you spell his name flopped all the time.
"People like scoring"
Last year's ASG, both teams scored 175.
Few called it 'GOAT ASG'.
If "points" are so impressive, more people would watch Steph in an empty practice gym than in games!!!
If was all about "ball go through hoop", the NBA wouldn't still be here!!
And when it was all about “ball bounce off rim, not go in net” THAT was impressive defense?
It was bad offense
@@Stej-i7m brickfests night after night in the 2000s was not “world class defense”
Nobody wanna see 150-149 games either
I do 😂
I don't mind
im ok with high scoring
That happened in the 80’s a lot and y’all act like it’s golden age. The NBA has always been high scoring except for the late 90’s and 2000’s.
Highest scoring game in NBA history took place in the 80s
Remember when MJ petitioned the league to not change the illegal defense rule then was quoted saying that he wouldn't have had as great of a career without it.🤔
Then came out of retirement to play with the new rule and couldn't make the playoffs
Mj was still averaging 25 on a failing knee and broke ribs and second best player jaun Dixon..and not played in 2 years at 39 lol
Which one is it... is it Jordan bad because he didn't make it out of the first round in his first 3 seasons or is it Jordan bad because uh rule change in early 00s and he didn't make it to the playoffs?
Basketball is a team sport and you are only so good on your own. On the other hand, he traded Rip Hamilton so...
Brah you didn’t see no games back then WE SEE ALL THE GAMES TODAY AND WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE!” All that stuff you sayin is easier said then done!” Bring back hand checking then we’ll see just how good some of these so called skilled players are!
We don't wanna see low scoring games bruh
Go watch boxing if you want to be a caveman
@@Oly1y
Huh?” I can’t respond to something that don’t make no dam sense!😂
@@Kings0424
Because you don’t want to see good defense proves the players are not as good as you think! Trust me we can tell! Curly with the globe trotters had the best handles anybody have ever seen, but all that changes in a reAl game against good players that actually know how to play real defense!
@My-by Bruh most people doesn't want to see low scoring defensive games bro. That would be boring as hell and fans would probably stop watching that. Besides I'm an offensive guy who loves offense
It's 2024 and Low still calls Zubac "ZOO-BUCK"
Luka (who came from a league that plays 90's defense) even said that there is no defense in the current NBA.
You mean the same league whose best players go to the Olympics and repeatedly lose to the "no-defense' Team USA?
Thank You 💯💯💯
Luka didn’t say that. He said it’s easier to score in the NBA because his teammates are better than the EuroLeague. Y’all need to stop lying.
You ever noticed ppl who couldn't even be a water boy have the most knowledge about the game of any era until you've actually played against MJ or AI shut up
NBA players have the worst takes of them all, starting from Gilbert Arenas to a bunch of others
Bro , do yall actually watch games from the 90s ??? Its obvious they play harder and defend harder , they leave it all out their . Now days defense is non existent
If you watch 90s games there were like 6 teams every year with somewhat complex or movement heavy half court offenses as well. Call me crazy for exercising common sense but if the focus of the offense is literally strong side all game with at most one shooter to space the floor it's way easier to force low scoring games.
He didn’t start watching basketball until 2k was PS3😂. Young guys like him (he’s not young, he’s in his early 30’s and is technically an old head too 😂) has only seen select 90’s games that they’ve seen on NBAtv or TH-cam. It’s not like he’s watching a random regular season game in ‘96 of the Wizards and Clippers. They didn’t live through it and is only seeing it after already knowing the outcome
Cap😂
@@doeboy84he start paying attention to basketball when nash won his mvps
man everyone knows the defense today is lacking, like everyone that watches basketball. You're usually on point but couldn't get past 3 mins of this.
Dude. Go watch games from the 80s and 90s. Its hilarious..
lol
I think 90s defense is overrated and underrated at the same time 🤷🏾♂️💀
It’s overrated
@@markjones2518yeah players still cheating drawing fake fouls 🤡
Appreciate you speak on this LOW and I think people overlook that the changes are also trying to keep players more safe and keep people from injury by being body slammed and stepping under shooters while they land.
Old heads lookin at the scoring outputs now a days: "cure for such occurrences" ?? *BEATINGS*
Still bad defense in this era
No one lied about anything. Older fans watched both eras. Younger fans have mostly only watch their era, and some of them are only watching highlights. This is cap. We keep moving the goalpost to hype up guys of today. We say they're better shooters, but the percentages aren't significantly higher. We say they're better ball handlers and dribblers. Of course, you're going to look better if you're allow to carry and travel. Are we not watching games where almost no defense is attempted. Plenty of regular games look just like the all-star game. Then a lot of people push this idea of "if they were really that good, they wouldn't have to play physical." That's a ridiculous argument. Is the average team mixing in more of the concepts of what they great teams were doing back in the day? Yes they are. But we keep making excuse after excuse for any weakness guys today have. IF you put nothing but offensive guys on the floor, it's going to look like offenses were better compared to back in the day, and that's why defense "seemed" better. Guys don't even care about defense and hustling today. We act like no one back in the day ever had the idea to have more than one 3-point shooter on the court at a time. The difference is today everyone wants to shoot the 3, and I've watched plenty of games where coaches allowing their big to shoot a lot of 3s and dribble all day like hurt a team more than it helped
Somethings gotta change though. It’s unwatchable lately. Players dropping 60 pieces like we used to see 40 point performances
Or ya know appreciate players getting better. Jordan dropped high scoring numbers all the time but he doesn’t get the same criticism
@@mattsell2361cause he got his ass whoop for that 60
If you think Jordan scoring 60 and Booker scoring 60 is a parallel then you really really do not know ball
@@drechillin2154you just talking. You probably have never watched a full jordan game in your life.
@@drechillin2154this is the kind of MJ cockriding that led to the younger generations watching whole games to see if MJ got whooped. But he didnt. Watch the focking 63-point game against Celtics, game looked like a WNBA game. No defense. Lol. Slow pace.
Do I think 80s or 90s defense should return? No.
I don't want players getting roughed up unnecessarily. The lack of effort and intelligence on the defensive end is sickening. I am one of those people that appreciates defense, it's become a lost art.
The top stars either don't show effort or intelligence on the defensive end. I'm a Celtics fan and the amount of irritation from their lack of intelligence on the floor drives me up a wall. My favorite year by them is obvious: 2008.
Not because they won the title. That was the kind team I want to watch. Team defense down the line. You don't have that anymore. This is why players like Marcus Smart, Draymond Green and Kawhi Leonard fascinates me so much. A lost art.
Notice the lack of any mention of hand checking? Hand checking changed the way defenses were played without mauling a player or breaking the rules. Also the 2004/2005 Pistons were defensive Jugganauts and awesome to watch. They didnt hold teams to 90pts, but 70pts. Today refs overlook a ridiculous amount of traveling and carrying the ball. The rules havent changed but the officating has certainly made the game easier for offensive players. Todays regular games look like 1980s All-Star games.
Handchecking is the most overrated rule ever. Guards still scored just fine. Guards today still handcheck when playing defense it’s just they don’t have their arm on you for 20 seconds. If Micheal Adam’s in the 90s was an all star who shot a lot of 3s with handchecking yeah more skilled guards today would be just fine.
The carrying of the ball I think is one of the biggest changes it allows so many dribble moves and hesitations that literally can’t be guarded. The pistons being able to hold teams to low points was mostly due to the slow pace and terrible offenses that’s why it’s literally called the dead ball era
But the Pistons held the D'Antoni/Steve Nash Phoenix Suns to 80 points. Phoenix had a fairly modern offense.
@@Cakebattered yeah due to the slow pace. Again not saying they were a bad defense team. They would probably be the best defensive in todays nba with there personnel. But teams would still score above 100 against them majority of the time
But you don't understand. The pistons would get blown out by a minimum of 40 by any team from the nba today. maybe defense was more physical, but they cannot hold any sort of modern offense, whereas modern defense can hold modern offense. Defenses evolve based on eras, for example, no one plays zone anymore, and players always switch on screens.
After the Detroit Pistons won the second year in a row in 1990 (to those unfamiliar, they were a defensive powerhouse team)... this wasn't ideal for the NBA business component $$$, as a result "they" made a conscious effort with the referees to reduce and or eliminate that defensive element, so yes, the oldheads have lied to us about the 90's defense. Off the ball the physicality has always been there... back then and today, but on the ball the whistle tends to be pretty goofy and can be ridiculously so. The referee on the ball whistle of today is reminiscent on someone trying to guard Jordan in the 90's... putting your hands up to contest a shot can be a foul depending on what the referees are doing in any given game. They have the modern NBA players more paranoid than ever (and rightfully so), so it's the standard in the modern game at times to not contest shots because it's not worth it... they'll likely get a feel of how a particular game is being officiated first. I can explain this the long way, but it would be a short essay, so I'll leave it at that.
Please do explain it the long way, it will be interesting to hear it
I remember watching Philly play LA in the 90s on NBA tv. They ran so fast! Like full speed EVERY POSSESSION!
maaaaan defensive games are the best games to watch becuase its all about 'whos gonna score the next basket". cuz theres a high possibility that both teams will NOT score continually after another... also bringing back 90s-early 00s defense, scoring would drop tremendously. making the game more watchable. a Hard fought 90 pts to win the game with overtime is a lot more entertaining than an easy 130, no overtime!
Yeah the nba becoming softer and less physical has coincided with ratings dropping on tv and less attention in middle america. You can claim that it's just increased skill but at the end of the day there's a reason the NFL will dominate as a product and that's bc of the competitiveness. Heck there are womens college basketball games beating the nba in ratings now.
source : "trust me bro"
I don't think I read one sentence in that entire paragraph that was actually true. smh.
A lack of skill didn’t contribute to the mid-2000s NBA malaise?
It was Physicality without basketball ability
Why does it seem like half of all NBA youtubers have a vested interest int discrediting defense of previous generations?
Cause older fans and older players won't stop discrediting the new.
This dude exemplifies the league nowadays😂 He sounds like a soft as baby💩 whiner🤭 "uuuugh, if you’re being physical you’re not playing within the rules😩” "If you’re fouling it’s illegal”😭 Bruh Physical play was the rule. Hand checking and contact were allowed because that’s how ball was played. Offensive players were taught to play through contact, not FLOP because someone looked at you sideways 🤭. You cannot sit there and say players are more skilled today, and yet acknowledge that the game is called much more tighter by the officials. Without contact, players from the 90s would have no contact to play through. The games easier for them. This dudes a clown
The game is not meant to be played with all that contact its not a physical sport to that degree. Go watch hockey and football if you wanna see all that physicality.
You sound salty cause he's correct
this kid dont know shit about basketball
european basketball > nba change my mind
Not what the Olympics said
They should just allow off ball hand checking only , that give off ball defense more of advantage against these amazing shooters . And give offense more of a reason to include cuts & drives in the offensive scheme .
This overweight guy always hating 😂😂😂
Fouling is a defensive strategy. And also a deterrent
Low takes be so bad 😅
Y is it bad?
I think Kenyon explained fairly well when he talked in the Arenas pod cast. Teaching defense or practicing defense is not done anymore. So it has decrease to the point that you learn defense from osmosis and not by practicing defensive concepts and the effort is not there anymore. And as he said the pride not to allow someone to score on you is lost to many players.
Nah low youre wrong. They don't have effort on defense. No in-between
Wrong
Here’s the thing I’m not saying people played Better defense in the 90s but the league nerfed the way you can play defense in turn it’s really not balanced
When the NBA nerfed offense from 2001-2005, That wasn’t balanced either
Perk was an under average center in his day what the hell is talking about😂
He was actually a good defensive center
Bruh that clip of that chick on Gils podcast is crazy, she literally says she wants to see players able to knock each other on their ass without being called for a foul. Since when was that ever a part of organized basketball? They created the flagrent foul specifically to stop that shit because tackling someone as they're going up for a shot isn't defense and its dangerous. If you can't stop the shot without needing to touch the ballhandler then your footwork is trash and you never were a good defender to begin with.
- should definitely be able to touch the offensive player
- should definitely be a bigger emphasis on defensive ability in the league overall
- league is more spaced now and the pace is faster
in general i agree w low
I remember when Barry did it 5 years ago
Bad take NBA players haven’t gotten so skilled that actual defense is ineffective. What the actual difference is penalizing defense so much so that players just don’t even try anymore. The NBA is a joke now it was better when the scores would be 90-100 points because you knew that defense would have to step up now it’s just whoever gets the last shot is Winning
8:03 The NBA went from being too physical to not physical enough definitely needs some balance. I watched a game yesterday and all I seen was a lackluster defense and 6 minutes of worth of missed 3’s.
Uh oh Low the Old heads coming for u after this 😂😂
Heading into the 1994-95 season, the NBA came up with a logical solution - prompt the players to shoot more three-point shots.
The league shortened the three-point line from 23 feet 9 inches to 22 feet. On top of that, players who got fouled while shooting a three-pointer were also rewarded with three free throws, and defenders were no longer allowed to hand-check until the offensive player got below the foul line. They also intensified the fines and suspensions for technical fouls and players who perform unsportsmanlike gestures during games.
According to then-NBA vice president for basketball operations Rod Thorn, they felt the need to implement the changes. Otherwise, the best league in the world would be less entertaining as far as high-level basketball goes and could become more like a "grappling match."
It didn't work out
The shortened three-point line went on to actualize, but unfortunately, it didn't generate the results the NBA was expecting. It did less to increase league-wide scoring, and the game was still physical. It also didn't help that some three-point shooters at the time did not like the feel of shooting a bit closer.
In 1997, the NBA had no choice and returned the three-point line to its original position. It became the official three-point distance in the NBA to this day.
“At least you would get ejected” LMFAO WHAT?!?????? 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Saying that nobody wants to watch slow, defensive basketball is as much gatekeeping as saying everyone wants to watch fast, offensive basketball; balance is the right answer here. If you grew up watching a more physical game, you're likely not going to like the finesse game played today. Some people, like myself, want to see a more balanced game involving the high skill of today's game blended with the better defensive effort that was given in the past. It can be done.
I stopped watching the NBA for many years because of a lack of offense.
A lack of skill/finesse led to physicality taking precedent over actual basketball ability
This is one of those "Back in my days" you should listen...
Youngster you don't know what the heck you talking about bro. Defense and fouling with fouling is part of the game that's why they give you five of them. Come on player you don't look like an athlete so you probably don't what it is to compete with athletes when you're equal. In so many ways you may need to foul, it's part of the play. That's why "hack a Shaq" became a thing they would foul him because they knew he couldn't shoot free throws. It's chess versus you new cats like the checkers basketball era. doubling happen when there was a matchup issue. if everyone's 7 ft and shooting threes of course you don't double but that's why the game sucks it's an exhibition of shooting threes and jogging down the court and see who could be the first one to 150 points.
ausar thompson was looking great defensively early. idk about lately but the dude was making some crazy defensive plays. im talking prime kawhi esk type stuff for the first like 15 games. if he could shoot he'd be a great 2-way gaurd