@@silverspadelordbecause they are. I'm not saying they don't deserve the money they generate for the league, but the laziness and "I deserve it even if I don't show up." has become a problem. We need a wave of Kobe Bryants in terms of work ethics to get to the league
To be fair, there is a ton of work these players do outside of game day. Even injured players are working out behind the scenes. Not to mention the crazy travel schedule and media commitments. It all adds up. That said... when you a paid as much as an NBA player, to play a sports game you supposedly love, precisely because of the fan base who fork out their hard earned money to see you play... you need to show up when you are healthy.
So basically they want to show up 50% of the games, while gaining millions of dollars + receiving bonus, awards and nobody should complaint about it? Not even the fans who make it possible.
The fact it’s called “load management” shows that state the NBA is in. Players are bitching about doing 80% of their job for 100% pay. They can still miss 17 games for no reason.
@@jphugo15 It's a pretty recent phenomenon. LeBron was one of the pioneers of load management and outside of two seasons (one which was lockout shortened) he played at least 70 games every season before he got to LA, including the full 82 his final season in Cleveland.
Honestly bro, I’m 26, I’m paying my way through university undergrad to go to a t14 law school. I hate my job, I show up everyday sick or not(unless contagious I work in a kitchen) no matter how much hw and studying for nothing. I can pay the bills and go to school, some dates and I’m happy, imagine doing “what you love” and making MILLIONS. Not just 4-10 million, but 100s and being upset you can’t miss more than 20 percent of your days on a short term notice.
You're not going to work the next day if you like sever some ligament in your wrist via some kinda knifework accident idk that's the best comp I got for the injuries players suffer (now more than ever because they're running faster/jumping higher and because they've been destroying their bodies playing the game for league profit since AAU ball and they're worn down by the time they're like 27)
I hate to be the “oldhead”, but back then it was common for stars to play 70-75+ games, with half as much of the science and advancements that goes into player recovery. Player empowerment was meant to tackle organizations wasting superstar talent, it should have never been used as a ferry for pushing load management.
My first year as a teacher, I ended up missing time due to a medical condition. I had to sign paper work acknowledging that I didn’t meet the district attendance requirement…97%. I was 96.8%….unimaginable that NBA players complain about needing to play 65 games
79%. 80% is my college attendance minimum if I want to pass a class and they are bitching about playing while still get millions when they play less than 80% games😂
@@Cocoflower528You can’t just round up every number like it’s a fast food order lol. If that was the cause, our paychecks would look a lot more bigger. 96 is 96, not 97.
Players before didn't need a 65 game rule because they actually played. They didn't sit out. There was no load management players took pride in playing all 82
@Jay-rk5zr while I get that perspective, look at the WNBA. Far fewer fans means far less income. If every fan suddenly said, "I'm done, I don't want to watch anymore," all that talent in the world isn't going to mean much to keep their jobs. The lack of respect towards the fanbase is unreal. Over an extra 40$ million bonus. As if they don't make generational wealth as is. It's ridiculous.
@@slackerofhell i agree but the fans are the reason the players get paid they're not paying the players they are paying the billionaires who own the nba
Utterly delusional. The reason it wasn't a rule before was simple: it didn't need to be a rule, because players gave a fuck about the fans and growing the league as a whole. When I was a camp counselor, we didn't have a rule about not shitting in other campers beds, but due to one "creative" kid, guess what wound up needing to become a rule? They still get paid for not showing up to work, and want raises and awards for it too? I swear they got no clue how it is they make their money in the first place.
I hope more people mention the 65 game rule for fans. We are paying HUNDREDS of dollars to see stars play, only for us to get a last minute load manage game? It ruins the product and disappoints fans. Also, the rule hasn't been needed in the past, because star level players ALWAYS played 70+ games a season
“Everybody fine until someone who doesn’t deserve the accolades gets it” You mean like your teammate Andrew Wiggins who got all star because all the forwards that were better than him got hurt Dreymond?
That is exactly why they have the 65 games rule. NBA makes most of its money on TV deals. Now the network dont want to pay for games when players dont show up. So they demanded that players play the 65.
Ratings are down because the games are meaningless. More than half the teams make the playoffs anyway, so who cares if you drop a few games and rest along the way? If the players want to play 65 games, and they're willing to keep the same pay per game, then reduce the number of games. Stop simping for team ownership and listen to the people who actually do the work.
Draymond just talking out of his ass saying he lost to kawhi who played about 51 games, takes 5 seconds to google and see he played 72 in 2015-2016 and 74 in 2016-2017
I'ma be honest, it's crazy to me that some of the NBA stars even get max contracts with their expected injuries. Like why pay a max for a player that only plays 60% of the games. Dude should be paid 60% of the max.
I agree, i had an argument with an embiid fan and his argument was that the fan expext to much for him and he's only human i rebuttal with we at least expect him to play the game he's getting paid millions to play.
I think salary should be split into obligatory contract and the game-money. If you show up in the street clothes, you don't contribute to the NBA game as a product. So reducing salary + cutting bonuses (like all-nba money) is fair.
Listen up, if it doesn’t affect the owners bottom line then nobody cares. It’s a business. Why play a guy every game when u can rest him a 1/4 of the season and get 4-5 more years out of him?
Exactly like khris middleton who I like but dude been hurt the last 3 seasons yet milwaukee gave him a nice contract this past offseason and his health and abilities are questionable
It's kinda outrageous how NBA players and NBA media are this out of touch with fans ACTUALLY wanting to enjoy the NBA. You know how we enjoy the league? It's for players to actually play at the LEAST 80% of the regular season!
People like Green will make the average person turn against some players who actually have a valid issue with this rule, Draymon should have been talking trash about players who went too far with "load management" because that's the reason the league made this rule and guess what the players agreed to it.
A.I. used to come in with a shoulder and arm wrapped up like a mummy trying to play games. Ewing in the playoffs playing with literally 1 leg. Kobe, Wade with mangled limbs but playing anyway.
Probably because the Player Association has negotiated more power for the players than any other group has been able to. Plus, a single NBA player probably means more for a team's success than for any other major team sport.
No it's not most of the major sports the manager can rest players as he sees fit, It's just Americans that want players to run themselves into the ground
No professional athlete in the world is more egocentric and sensitive than an NBA player. They hate fans. They’d rather spend their energy going at social media “hate” than actually play for the fans who love the game.
@@slavko7898 what ?💀you do realize he still has to move right ? And also throwing a football correctly is not done with just your arms. It’s a full body thing
The goal wasn’t for the fans. it was to get a bigger TV contract next season and to help stabilize gambling because having players rest on random days makes it hard to predict the odds for gambling, So the gambling commission was freaking pissed with Adam silver. So he did something about it it was for them for money not for the fans. The fans benefit from 65 game rule but it wasn’t for them that wasn’t the Goal.
No, 30 points 15 rebounds for 13 consecutive years if you were down to only 50 games per season. That is what it takes to get in the NBA Hall of Fame 19500 points 9750 rebounds. It is not like they will let in a load manager ahead of Chauncey Billups with his consecutive Eastern Conference playoff appearances.
Draymond one of them dudes nobody was checking for when he was a regular dude so he couldn't express his personality as much but soon as he made money n fame his arrogance came out
4:57 with this point, a few years ago Lamelo ball won rookie of the year with only 50 games, and Anthony Edwards had an arguably better season and played 70 games.
The 65 game rule Lebron wouldn’t even be all nba last year and I’m not mad at that. He was all nba 3rd team playing 55 games. That’s barely 67% of the season not even 75% of the games.
Exactly, Bron and his fans want all of the upsides of continuing to play at a later age with none of the downsides. The world is in an entitled state @@neptune4359
How did the nba take away defense and physical play but yet more players than ever need load management breaks and are “injured” more??? People used to play 82 games also while dealing with a more physical and rougher game back then?????
Low starting to sound like Maybe this era isn’t as great as they pretend like they are. Better dribblers, better shooters but they don’t care about the game
Every time i see a video of this - there is only one thing to say really. Players agreed to this rule when signing new CBA which also give them all that extra money with contracts. And since stars like Joel or Draymond definitely knew what the CBA offer was, their complains are null. The entitlement is really getting out of hand.
I don’t like to be the guy who says “this is why…” but the ratings fall with the NBA because of the blatant disregard for the fans the players have. To have the level of bad self awareness like Draymond as it relates to the new rules and thresholds is insane to me.
Back in the day the standard was to play every game if possible. And they say todays players are bigger, faster, stronger but, somehow they're less durable.
@@samuellolango9720 no I didn’t intentionally leave it out but considering I accidentally left it out I will say that the average player probably isn’t much stronger than they used to be. And also strength will not prevent most of the injuries that come with the wear and tear of running, jumping, having bad ligaments/joints, or freak accidents. If it did then there wouldn’t be nearly as many non contact injuries as there are in football where everyone outside of corners and smaller receivers squats 300+ and benches 225 15 times.
People like to bring up people’s money and talk about how it’s unfair because a dude like haliburton is gonna miss out on a super max because he won’t qualify. Well, he’s on track to play 63 games, Jalen Brunson is on track to play 79. If Jalen Brunson gets all nba third team, he’s eligible for a super max for what will likely be his last big contract and this season is probably his best chance to get an all nba team to qualify for that super max. Point blank, 79 games at the level Brunson is playing is just better than 63 at the level Hali is playing. If we give it to Hali cause he got hurt, Jalen Brunson, who is actually performing night in and night out, gets hoed out of a super max, because we “feel bad for Hali.” People like draymond talk about how this affects the players money without talking about all the players whose money is getting affected.
I think it’s bs they complain about having to actually do their job, if someone else shows up more than you absolutely they should get recognition, who cares that they aren’t the big names, it should absolutely be a meritocracy.
NBA players not caring about the fans is like Walmart employees not caring about the shoppers. As in, it's completely normal and justified. They are there to make money, not make you happy. If the players are willing to keep the same pay per game and play fewer games, then the only reason it isn't happening is greed from the owners who want as many cash grabs per season as possible.
Imagine driving 3 hours paying hundreds of dollars to watch a player play and they sit out for no reason. These guys are straight scammers and have no empathy for the people who make there jobs possible
I’m a baseball guy. They play 162 games a year. I know baseball is a lot more relaxed than basketball, but 162 games over 6 months is still a lot. I don’t hear them complain.
"With great power comes great responsibility" said Uncle Ben. Current players took the upside of having power (money) witthout its downside responsibility.
@@khalilcruz5816 my best guess is either agent has been busy with amp stuff and hasn't had time, or Low and or agent doesn't wanna do it anymore, I have no idea btw
My thing is that other sport disciplines don’t have these mindsets because if they don’t play they’ll either be cut or won’t get game time so ya it sounds like nba players feel like they above the league and entitled to some sort
Players are complaining as if the league made a one-sided decision, when actuality this was a rule agreed to by the players union during negotiations about the new CBA
You think the player’s union says anything but “yes”? It’s not like these dudes can stop playing ball and get another job and get paid like they’re being paid
Its crazy how these guys get millions of dollars and can not play for no good reason. While people today work there asses off and are still struggling.
Imagine implying that Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, etc arent totally deserving of the MVP award. Embiid wasn't even as good statistically as Jokic on a per game basis when he played this year (Luka has also surpassed him per game), he just scored a shitload. And even if Embiid was the best player per game, how in the world are guys who are ever so slightly not as good as him, but play WAY MORE than him, less valuable for the season? The rule shouldn't be necessary, but if it saves us from Embiid winning another MVP just because of the scoring title. Like bruh the scoring title is already a thing. He can take that home. Jokic (at least him) contributes more overall
How were they more valuable when he was doing the most valuable skill in basketball at a higher level than all to them? It’s like y’all forget the main objective of how to win in basketball that y’all just disrespect the scoring record without actually understanding what it means. And he was also doing other things so it’s not like he was just scoring. Just say you don’t like it embiid and keep it at that instead of making excuses for other people.
@@20k200 did you just say people forget that scoring points is the objective to win at basketball? No bro, we didnt forget that. Its just that looking at volume of points directly scored by an individual is a very simplistic way to assess a player’s value to an offense. Passing and efficiency matter. Avoiding missed shots and turnovers can make it so that a guy who doesnt even score 30 per game is netting more production than a guy averaging 36. Embiid’s traits that he holds over Jokic are volume scoring, athleticism, and rim protection. Jokic has him beat in the intangibles that make for winning basketball, and the analytics have backed this up, despite improvement by Embiid
What annoys me is Draymond inability to recount history correctly. Zero fact checking just spits what he feels is correct. Unfortunately this is reflective to our population at large. Players need to stfu, suit up and play ball. All this trying to sway the narrative in any other direction is a waste of time. Dramond need to blame organizations (including the warriors) for making this a stead fast rule. The fans want to see you in Nikes, not you Gucci slips. Draymond highkey bitching too much for my taste...
There are nba players who’ve never missed games back in the day hell if im not wrong i believe mikal bridges has never missed a collage or nba game due to injuries
The 65 game rule isn't for the fans, it's for the teams orgs that sell tickets to the game, and for the TV networks that pay big money for the broadcast rights. Both have huge financial investments in having the big stars play as often as possible, and what the money people want, the money people get.
Still the fans, because the the big tv networks and teams would be this worried if they have people lined up to buy their product. If no one watched the NBA, the network companies won’t pay big money for these games. Money won’t be made of the tickets. At the end of the day. You go to the coliseum to see the gladiators fight. Not ordinary people or people you have never heard off.
This is only a problem for guys going into supermax contracts! Player's/team's abused missing games to the point, the league was forced to step in because fans were fed up paying hundreds to thousands of dollars to travel to see their favourite player play only for them to sit out last minute because of "Load Management"!
Good point, if there was talk about me getting a raise at the end of the year and I break my leg and miss a significant amount of time, they probably won’t give it to me depending on how much time I missed. And yea it sucks, I’m a Sixers fan and want to see Embiid succeed, which means wins MVP, but the rule makes sense and I’m not mad at the rule. I just wish he didn’t get hurt.
It’s crazy that a fan can pay $200 for a ticket to see their favorite player and the player is able to sit out of the game for “load management”. It makes you never wana go to another game
Imo even tho I hate the In-season tourney they may need to extend it to put more of an emphasis on regular season games and maybe even shorten the season 10 games to 72 but extend the play-in tournament to best of 7 , players would Def play more games that way
I especially liked that line of “you his peers failed Joel” it’s so true there are so many instances where players would sit out of Toronto games because they didn’t want to travel across the boarder but we are supposed to be like ahh shucks I guess I’ll see them next time like it’s a 20$ ticket
365 days in a year, but they make millions to only work 82, and now they're complaining about having to play 65. Basically work 65 games out of 365 a year. Dang!!
@@huntermach7356 yeah no it isn’t. Also, you have no idea about their schedules because they do morning and afternoon practices….sounds like 8 hours of work to me. Not to mention training camps and other things they have to do.
draymond really seems like hes lost touch recently (on the court hes still draymond) but probably around the first TNT appearance being so praised and then the podcast accelerating it i can't really get on board with anything he says anymore
This is why draymonds pod might be the actual worse out of all the nba pods, because he has the weird sense of entitlement and opinions which is rooted in self agrandizing and so pro player that it actually hurts the league in which they play. Same attitude of kyrie saying they dont need a coach and Milwaukee going thru coaches.
Players being angry at the 65 game rule just shows why it exists. They WANT to miss games. Their whole mindset is rotten. They are just proving why the rule is a thing. If it wasn't there they would "load manage" every other game.
Yeah exactly only 1 MVP and I believe 3 DPOY's would be different if the rule always existed. And I actually went back and counted how many players would have missed out on All-NBA had the rule been in place. EVERY single year prior to 2018: 25 TOTAL All-NBA players did not play 65 games. 2018-2023: 21 TOTAL All-NBA players did not play 65 games. So no, the history books would definitely NOT look that different if only an average of 1 player every few years would not have qualified. This is an extremely recent issue and it's a great rule to have in place to get these guys to actually play and prove they can be as good over more time played. It's way easier to keep a 25-5-5 average over 50 games than it would be over 70 or 80 games.
I'm still trying to see Jimmy Butler live, 3 years in a row the Heat have visited the Magic on or around my birthday. Wife and I have gone to this matchup with hopes to see him and some how he's being out each time. Last December once again they came on my birthday and he was out and my wife had a feeling this would happen and had gotten me another game in MIA next month against Utah. Fingers crossed a FOURTH TIME IS A CHARM 😅
@@blank-vj1mc it's one player, at the end of the night I'm still watching a basketball game and having fun/rooting for the team I went to go watch once a year based on a lucky scheduling coincidence that they roll into town on my bday weekend, relax it wasn't that deep guy.
@@oc3891 BTW, would you have ever w considered tickets if Jimmy Butler wasn’t on either team? No. Because you don’t want to watch to G league teams play for the ticket cost of an NBA game.
@@blank-vj1mc that high horse you are struggling to ride is giving that airhead of yours a nose bleed and it shows. No one cares to entertain whatever anti corpo agenda your woke self is trying to push lol it's cringe. I've been going to both Magic and Heat games since 01. Especially when one of those teams suck that year, tix are that much cheaper! "eVeRyOnE aRoUnD mE r ShEeP" lol yea sure, we get it kid, you're broke.
Late to the vid but just wanna say thanks for droppin these. Definitely enjoy listenin to your opinions on topics, helps gets through work💯. Hope this stays a constant thing though nba seasons to come. If not it was great while it lasted.
Tbh I think people are just so enamored with Joel's ability they want to ignore that he's always been injury prone. Health should factor into the value someone brings to their team.
If Draymond loses a DPOY to a player who played significantly less games than him, he would be the first to champion the 65-game rule and discredit others
This is blasphemy and copium at the highest level. Joel Embiid is somebody that’s infamous for being injury prone. The 76ers medical staff is infamous for their incompetence. This rule was necessary for the players that are not injured but still refuse to play. And acting like this rule is the reason that Embiid is injured is plain stupid. The reason is Embiid playing with a injured knee and an opponent falling onto that knee. If you are injured and miss significant amount of games you wouldn’t get mvps or all nba selection even if this rule wasn’t existing. And for crying out loud. The Jokics of this world manage to play 70+ games every season. Did Shai even miss a game this season ? They can stay healthy. This is not a problem for the NBA. This is a problem for Joel Embiid and the 76ers. Their franchise player and medical staff were willing to let him play injured. This is a stupid decision independent from any circumstances. Or is winning a MVP that much more important then being healthy Mr Joel Embiid and 76ers franchise ?
This generation of NBA players are Turing the average person away. They’re crying over 65 games. Not playing hard for all star games. I can’t watch millionaire cry over playing a game meanwhile the average American is struggling. The NBA is in a bad place right now. I don’t blame Lebron like a simple minded person. But it’s the fact they get so much money so fast they all become entitled
I'm from Michigan and my earliest basketball memories are of watching the Bad Boys Pistons win their championships. When I was a kid I thought you were _supposed_ to just clothesline anyone trying to drive to the rim. 😆
The NBA exists to entertain fans players getting paid is a side effect. The NBA should always prioritise the fans and spoiler, NOT A SINGLE FAN HAS COMPLAINED!!!
Not a single fan has complained ? I guess all the TH-camrs who make video to expose that are neither NBA not basketball fans ? And the decreasing ratings probably mean fans are happy with the current state of the NBA ?
Must be hard having to work 65 days a year for 20, 30, 40, 50 million. What a tough life And NBA Awards are already a joke, Kobe and Shaq won one MVP each.
I feel like we should just collectively stop watching for a month and see how little they want to play then ALSO: I'd love to say to my boss its bullshit that I can't get a raise and hour reduction. How does Draymond still have fans?
Draymond is prime example why I mainly don't like this newer age athlete media because they're agenda driven to protect the player brotherhood from criticism WHEN THEY DO deserve it and to protect their fragile egos.They hide behind being ppl who "played the game" to act like their talking points are absolute when it's really the opposite for most of them
What’s funny is how so many players say they love Kobe and how he’s their favorite player. Yet none of his ideologies carry over to them. None of them have the love for the fans to try their hardest to make it out and play a game for them. None of them have that toughness wanting physicality throughout the game. None of them have that mentality to continue to play a game after tiny nick ups and brushes. If they dislocated their finger, they’d be out for a week. None of them want to make the All Star game feel like a real game, where it’s truly the best going at one another. Rather than it currently being a layup line for 48 minutes They’re all so soft, overly coddled and privileged that they forgot who they truly are.
imagine being upset you have to show up to work 80% of the time
Right they act so entitled
@@silverspadelordbecause they are.
I'm not saying they don't deserve the money they generate for the league, but the laziness and "I deserve it even if I don't show up." has become a problem.
We need a wave of Kobe Bryants in terms of work ethics to get to the league
That’s me all the time
The nba is not work tho at the same time both sides is right
To be fair, there is a ton of work these players do outside of game day. Even injured players are working out behind the scenes. Not to mention the crazy travel schedule and media commitments. It all adds up. That said... when you a paid as much as an NBA player, to play a sports game you supposedly love, precisely because of the fan base who fork out their hard earned money to see you play... you need to show up when you are healthy.
This is the same man who almost retired because of accountability
😂😂
it makes sense that he's saying this then
"I want money/accolades without doing the work, WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH"
League would be better
So basically they want to show up 50% of the games, while gaining millions of dollars + receiving bonus, awards and nobody should complaint about it? Not even the fans who make it possible.
Sounds about what I hear the players advocating
The fact it’s called “load management” shows that state the NBA is in. Players are bitching about doing 80% of their job for 100% pay. They can still miss 17 games for no reason.
i remember when nba players used to play 80 games in a season. now 65 is just too much??
Nah but they were plumbers and firemen tho
These podcasters and reality stars have been so babied I'm glad they're gonna have to work for their money now
@@jphugo15thing is, Adam silver is so soft he's gonna give in eventually. That next cba is gonna be hectic
@@jphugo15 It's a pretty recent phenomenon. LeBron was one of the pioneers of load management and outside of two seasons (one which was lockout shortened) he played at least 70 games every season before he got to LA, including the full 82 his final season in Cleveland.
@@unc54kawhi is a load manager
Honestly bro, I’m 26, I’m paying my way through university undergrad to go to a t14 law school. I hate my job, I show up everyday sick or not(unless contagious I work in a kitchen) no matter how much hw and studying for nothing. I can pay the bills and go to school, some dates and I’m happy, imagine doing “what you love” and making MILLIONS. Not just 4-10 million, but 100s and being upset you can’t miss more than 20 percent of your days on a short term notice.
Speak brother
This here man. Never pocket watch but draymond complaining are rich people problems bruh.
You're not going to work the next day if you like sever some ligament in your wrist via some kinda knifework accident idk that's the best comp I got for the injuries players suffer (now more than ever because they're running faster/jumping higher and because they've been destroying their bodies playing the game for league profit since AAU ball and they're worn down by the time they're like 27)
NBA players don’t think the fans made them millionaires, they believe their talent made them millionaires.
they would be right😂
@@milesmohrien8964it’s a bit of both if we didn’t love watching they would be playing in the park with us
@@milesmohrien8964 Their talent doesn't mean shit if there aren't any fans to pay to see them play
@@milesmohrien8964you don’t understand what the NBA and professional sports league are as a whole then do you?
@@wolfgangfegelein2450but the fans pay to watch them because of their talent…
I hate to be the “oldhead”, but back then it was common for stars to play 70-75+ games, with half as much of the science and advancements that goes into player recovery.
Player empowerment was meant to tackle organizations wasting superstar talent, it should have never been used as a ferry for pushing load management.
My first year as a teacher, I ended up missing time due to a medical condition. I had to sign paper work acknowledging that I didn’t meet the district attendance requirement…97%. I was 96.8%….unimaginable that NBA players complain about needing to play 65 games
79%. 80% is my college attendance minimum if I want to pass a class and they are bitching about playing while still get millions when they play less than 80% games😂
They said 97% not 97.0%. So actually you did meet the requirement. They knew it and still screwed you over
@@Cocoflower528You can’t just round up every number like it’s a fast food order lol. If that was the cause, our paychecks would look a lot more bigger. 96 is 96, not 97.
@@SpeedHomeAttack learn how to report significant figures. 96.8 is 97%. And it’s the same 😂
Players before didn't need a 65 game rule because they actually played. They didn't sit out. There was no load management players took pride in playing all 82
Its easy to do when you on cocaine and steroids and nobody is testing you past your arrival to training camp
Play 3 quarters of the season oh the humanity 😂
God forbid 😂😂
Exactly... this sad u gotta work 79% to get a bonus
Say it ain't so! The entitled millionaires don't care about the reason they're millionaires? What are the odds?
Technically they're millionaires because of their talent that's why most college players don't get paid I agree for the most part tho
@@Jay-rk5zrno fans = no money
They’re millionaires because of the fans
@@ultraf0rwardawwww boo hoo billionaires have to pay them the contract that gets the fans to come watch
@Jay-rk5zr while I get that perspective, look at the WNBA. Far fewer fans means far less income. If every fan suddenly said, "I'm done, I don't want to watch anymore," all that talent in the world isn't going to mean much to keep their jobs. The lack of respect towards the fanbase is unreal. Over an extra 40$ million bonus. As if they don't make generational wealth as is. It's ridiculous.
@@slackerofhell i agree but the fans are the reason the players get paid they're not paying the players they are paying the billionaires who own the nba
Utterly delusional. The reason it wasn't a rule before was simple: it didn't need to be a rule, because players gave a fuck about the fans and growing the league as a whole. When I was a camp counselor, we didn't have a rule about not shitting in other campers beds, but due to one "creative" kid, guess what wound up needing to become a rule? They still get paid for not showing up to work, and want raises and awards for it too? I swear they got no clue how it is they make their money in the first place.
I hope more people mention the 65 game rule for fans. We are paying HUNDREDS of dollars to see stars play, only for us to get a last minute load manage game? It ruins the product and disappoints fans.
Also, the rule hasn't been needed in the past, because star level players ALWAYS played 70+ games a season
“Everybody fine until someone who doesn’t deserve the accolades gets it”
You mean like your teammate Andrew Wiggins who got all star because all the forwards that were better than him got hurt Dreymond?
This is why the ratings are down, the fans are getting fed up with players sitting out
That is exactly why they have the 65 games rule. NBA makes most of its money on TV deals. Now the network dont want to pay for games when players dont show up. So they demanded that players play the 65.
Man fuck them fans 🤣🤣🤣
Ratings are down because the games are meaningless. More than half the teams make the playoffs anyway, so who cares if you drop a few games and rest along the way?
If the players want to play 65 games, and they're willing to keep the same pay per game, then reduce the number of games.
Stop simping for team ownership and listen to the people who actually do the work.
@@Stej-i7myou sound dumb, the game is soft bc of the rules not the players
Draymond just talking out of his ass saying he lost to kawhi who played about 51 games, takes 5 seconds to google and see he played 72 in 2015-2016 and 74 in 2016-2017
draymond is indeed short short bus material
That's an insult to the short bus
@@slackerofhell I gotta agree lol
And a helmet
And to think that he was the fastest sperm of all
@@loudiamonds6587don't forget the arm floaties
The super athletes who are "built differently" can't play 80 games like the firemen and plumbers of the past. Hmmm
so mj was a fireman, you sound really dumb
It's crazy, if the season was shortened they'd still not want to play 45 or 55 games
Right 😂
remember back in the day, the plumbers and firemen actually worked before or after the games. 😅
I'ma be honest, it's crazy to me that some of the NBA stars even get max contracts with their expected injuries. Like why pay a max for a player that only plays 60% of the games. Dude should be paid 60% of the max.
I agree, i had an argument with an embiid fan and his argument was that the fan expext to much for him and he's only human i rebuttal with we at least expect him to play the game he's getting paid millions to play.
And it’s not like 60% of the regular season games and 100% of the playoffs it’s 60 both
I think salary should be split into obligatory contract and the game-money. If you show up in the street clothes, you don't contribute to the NBA game as a product. So reducing salary + cutting bonuses (like all-nba money) is fair.
Listen up, if it doesn’t affect the owners bottom line then nobody cares. It’s a business. Why play a guy every game when u can rest him a 1/4 of the season and get 4-5 more years out of him?
Exactly like khris middleton who I like but dude been hurt the last 3 seasons yet milwaukee gave him a nice contract this past offseason and his health and abilities are questionable
It's kinda outrageous how NBA players and NBA media are this out of touch with fans ACTUALLY wanting to enjoy the NBA. You know how we enjoy the league? It's for players to actually play at the LEAST 80% of the regular season!
NBA media has been supportive of the 65 games. I've only seen players like haliburton and draymond complain about it.
People like Green will make the average person turn against some players who actually have a valid issue with this rule, Draymon should have been talking trash about players who went too far with "load management" because that's the reason the league made this rule and guess what the players agreed to it.
A.I. used to come in with a shoulder and arm wrapped up like a mummy trying to play games. Ewing in the playoffs playing with literally 1 leg. Kobe, Wade with mangled limbs but playing anyway.
Isiah Thomas played with an injured ankle. Bird played after a concussion.
Bro, the NBA is the only place this type of shit happens.
I swear no other sport complains as much as the nba
Probably because the Player Association has negotiated more power for the players than any other group has been able to. Plus, a single NBA player probably means more for a team's success than for any other major team sport.
The Players Union is powerful.
It's not. A report came out stating that it happens in baseball too.
No it's not most of the major sports the manager can rest players as he sees fit,
It's just Americans that want players to run themselves into the ground
there is no way there are human beings this out of touch 😭
Enough money will make you out of touch
@@ireqsavagevocaldinosaur5795 Man and its people who don't make no real money like them defending this
@@Bigedub101 which is crazy af
No professional athlete in the world is more egocentric and sensitive than an NBA player. They hate fans. They’d rather spend their energy going at social media “hate” than actually play for the fans who love the game.
You are right.
Now that I think about it you're absolutely right.
They don't hate fans. Hate requires some acknowledgement. They simply view fans as inisignificant bugs.
True no other sport
@@mareklame8589 true, they’re apathetic towards the fans, which is actually much worse
Tom Brady played an entire nfl superbowl when he was 40 with a torn meniscus and won the superbowl. Keep on yappin draymond
Goes to show how easy it is to be a QB.
bro he just throws the ball he aint doing shit physically until he gets hit
@@slavko7898 what ?💀you do realize he still has to move right ? And also throwing a football correctly is not done with just your arms. It’s a full body thing
@@dt823 what he backpedals like 6 feet wow tons of movement if that dude tried running up and down an nba court he’d be wheezing after 5 minutes
@@slavko7898 and nba players would be crying after getting tackled lol
The goal wasn’t for the fans. it was to get a bigger TV contract next season and to help stabilize gambling because having players rest on random days makes it hard to predict the odds for gambling, So the gambling commission was freaking pissed with Adam silver. So he did something about it it was for them for money not for the fans.
The fans benefit from 65 game rule but it wasn’t for them that wasn’t the Goal.
Thank u. People act like the players are the sole problem. It’s the league as a whole.
No, 30 points 15 rebounds for 13 consecutive years if you were down to only 50 games per season.
That is what it takes to get in the NBA Hall of Fame 19500 points 9750 rebounds.
It is not like they will let in a load manager ahead of Chauncey Billups with his consecutive Eastern Conference playoff appearances.
Draymond is one of those players who knows ball but not all that much more outside of playing the game
The NBA players get such big money, they live within a bubble.
Draymond one of them dudes nobody was checking for when he was a regular dude so he couldn't express his personality as much but soon as he made money n fame his arrogance came out
4:57 with this point, a few years ago Lamelo ball won rookie of the year with only 50 games, and Anthony Edwards had an arguably better season and played 70 games.
The 65 game rule Lebron wouldn’t even be all nba last year and I’m not mad at that. He was all nba 3rd team playing 55 games. That’s barely 67% of the season not even 75% of the games.
Dude is like 40 years old already, give him some slack 😂
@@ivandankob7112 dude that’s fine, but when people called this out last year we were told we are Bron haters.
@@ivandankob7112he’s free to retire, he decided to keep playing so he needs to follow the rules. He ain’t special.
Exactly, Bron and his fans want all of the upsides of continuing to play at a later age with none of the downsides. The world is in an entitled state @@neptune4359
I like the rule, even though I think Bron was injured with his foot, you can’t win awards not showing up to work.
How did the nba take away defense and physical play but yet more players than ever need load management breaks and are “injured” more??? People used to play 82 games also while dealing with a more physical and rougher game back then?????
See the flop rule that's barely enforced.
That's the league not the players making those rules
Oh I've been saying that for 20 years. There's no bigger group of entitled and overpaid athletes than the ones in the NBA.
7:42 ‘on a nightly basis’ yea Draymond, that’s the point
Seeing the like to dislike ratio on Draymond's video was hilarious, shit was like a flash bang
Whats it at right now? Dislikes are hidden on mobile
The entitlement of the players is hurting the game. Just do your job, the 65 game rule is to stop the players taking advantage of the fans.
Millionaires complaining to an audience of plumbers and firemen about having to go to work. Kind of ironic.
Athletes in general forget that a sports career is atypical and are super fortunate to have that be a lived out dream
Low starting to sound like
Maybe this era isn’t as great as they pretend like they are. Better dribblers, better shooters but they don’t care about the game
Better carrier and better traveler…
They're not better dribblers.
Not better dribblers, watch a game they carry every single time they drive to the basket
I don't agree with the 65 game rule. They should make it 75 game rule.
Yes
Make DNP count as a 0 in your counting stat averages, and you don’t even need a games played rule.
Every time i see a video of this - there is only one thing to say really.
Players agreed to this rule when signing new CBA which also give them all that extra money with contracts. And since stars like Joel or Draymond definitely knew what the CBA offer was, their complains are null.
The entitlement is really getting out of hand.
They do care, when its convenient for them to do so.
I don’t like to be the guy who says “this is why…” but the ratings fall with the NBA because of the blatant disregard for the fans the players have. To have the level of bad self awareness like Draymond as it relates to the new rules and thresholds is insane to me.
@@Stej-i7mkarem Abdul jabbar has entered the chat.
Back in the day the standard was to play every game if possible. And they say todays players are bigger, faster, stronger but, somehow they're less durable.
Bc when you’re bigger and faster it puts more stress on the body alongside the increase in speed of the game itself.
@@dt823oh boohoo u still getting paid millions to play ball like the average person wouldn’t want to do that
@@dt823the leagues less physical now as a counterpoint
@@dt823 did you intentionally leave the "stronger" part out? lol
@@samuellolango9720 no I didn’t intentionally leave it out but considering I accidentally left it out I will say that the average player probably isn’t much stronger than they used to be. And also strength will not prevent most of the injuries that come with the wear and tear of running, jumping, having bad ligaments/joints, or freak accidents. If it did then there wouldn’t be nearly as many non contact injuries as there are in football where everyone outside of corners and smaller receivers squats 300+ and benches 225 15 times.
People like to bring up people’s money and talk about how it’s unfair because a dude like haliburton is gonna miss out on a super max because he won’t qualify. Well, he’s on track to play 63 games, Jalen Brunson is on track to play 79. If Jalen Brunson gets all nba third team, he’s eligible for a super max for what will likely be his last big contract and this season is probably his best chance to get an all nba team to qualify for that super max. Point blank, 79 games at the level Brunson is playing is just better than 63 at the level Hali is playing. If we give it to Hali cause he got hurt, Jalen Brunson, who is actually performing night in and night out, gets hoed out of a super max, because we “feel bad for Hali.” People like draymond talk about how this affects the players money without talking about all the players whose money is getting affected.
I think it’s bs they complain about having to actually do their job, if someone else shows up more than you absolutely they should get recognition, who cares that they aren’t the big names, it should absolutely be a meritocracy.
NBA players not caring about the fans is like Walmart employees not caring about the shoppers.
As in, it's completely normal and justified. They are there to make money, not make you happy.
If the players are willing to keep the same pay per game and play fewer games, then the only reason it isn't happening is greed from the owners who want as many cash grabs per season as possible.
Imagine driving 3 hours paying hundreds of dollars to watch a player play and they sit out for no reason. These guys are straight scammers and have no empathy for the people who make there jobs possible
I’m a baseball guy. They play 162 games a year. I know baseball is a lot more relaxed than basketball, but 162 games over 6 months is still a lot. I don’t hear them complain.
Because there’s not a culture of player tantrum enabling like the NBA.
This is a result of “player empowerment”. 🤷🏾♂️
"With great power comes great responsibility" said Uncle Ben. Current players took the upside of having power (money) witthout its downside responsibility.
No because regular season is meaningless
god forbid you play at least just 80% of the season. and the season isn't even a full year!
LOW WHAT HAPPENED TO PLAYBACK?????
Someone asking the real question
Deadass
@@hawaiin420is it gone or deleted or something?
@@khalilcruz5816 Last upload was 3 weeks ago
@@khalilcruz5816 my best guess is either agent has been busy with amp stuff and hasn't had time, or Low and or agent doesn't wanna do it anymore, I have no idea btw
My thing is that other sport disciplines don’t have these mindsets because if they don’t play they’ll either be cut or won’t get game time so ya it sounds like nba players feel like they above the league and entitled to some sort
We knew they didn’t care when they started the resting era. Theyre entitled and privileged which is common in all sports these days.
Players are complaining as if the league made a one-sided decision, when actuality this was a rule agreed to by the players union during negotiations about the new CBA
You think the player’s union says anything but “yes”? It’s not like these dudes can stop playing ball and get another job and get paid like they’re being paid
@@Augrills So what you are saying is the players who chose to be in a union and have that represent them have no room for negotiation.
@@yan_bd in regards to these rules? No. This goes over the NBA’s head when it’s a request by broadcasters to renew deals.
Its crazy how these guys get millions of dollars and can not play for no good reason. While people today work there asses off and are still struggling.
Imagine implying that Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, etc arent totally deserving of the MVP award. Embiid wasn't even as good statistically as Jokic on a per game basis when he played this year (Luka has also surpassed him per game), he just scored a shitload. And even if Embiid was the best player per game, how in the world are guys who are ever so slightly not as good as him, but play WAY MORE than him, less valuable for the season? The rule shouldn't be necessary, but if it saves us from Embiid winning another MVP just because of the scoring title. Like bruh the scoring title is already a thing. He can take that home. Jokic (at least him) contributes more overall
How were they more valuable when he was doing the most valuable skill in basketball at a higher level than all to them? It’s like y’all forget the main objective of how to win in basketball that y’all just disrespect the scoring record without actually understanding what it means. And he was also doing other things so it’s not like he was just scoring. Just say you don’t like it embiid and keep it at that instead of making excuses for other people.
@@20k200 did you just say people forget that scoring points is the objective to win at basketball? No bro, we didnt forget that. Its just that looking at volume of points directly scored by an individual is a very simplistic way to assess a player’s value to an offense. Passing and efficiency matter. Avoiding missed shots and turnovers can make it so that a guy who doesnt even score 30 per game is netting more production than a guy averaging 36. Embiid’s traits that he holds over Jokic are volume scoring, athleticism, and rim protection. Jokic has him beat in the intangibles that make for winning basketball, and the analytics have backed this up, despite improvement by Embiid
Make DNPs count as a 0 on your counting stat averages and see how fast load management stops.
Joel said he didn’t care about mvp but force himself to play to win MVP, Sad to see him go thru it but he forced it
What annoys me is Draymond inability to recount history correctly. Zero fact checking just spits what he feels is correct. Unfortunately this is reflective to our population at large. Players need to stfu, suit up and play ball. All this trying to sway the narrative in any other direction is a waste of time. Dramond need to blame organizations (including the warriors) for making this a stead fast rule. The fans want to see you in Nikes, not you Gucci slips. Draymond highkey bitching too much for my taste...
There are nba players who’ve never missed games back in the day hell if im not wrong i believe mikal bridges has never missed a collage or nba game due to injuries
The 65 game rule isn't for the fans, it's for the teams orgs that sell tickets to the game, and for the TV networks that pay big money for the broadcast rights. Both have huge financial investments in having the big stars play as often as possible, and what the money people want, the money people get.
Still the fans, because the the big tv networks and teams would be this worried if they have people lined up to buy their product. If no one watched the NBA, the network companies won’t pay big money for these games. Money won’t be made of the tickets. At the end of the day. You go to the coliseum to see the gladiators fight. Not ordinary people or people you have never heard off.
As a former service member this is just sad.
I agree with you 1000% They act like us fans don’t matter at all which is so crazy
Imagine making millions playing a sport kids play and complaining about having to play said game you love.
Back in the day players showed up and played they didn’t need the rule
Draymond's brain has only one brain cell after spending so much time with Lebron
This is only a problem for guys going into supermax contracts! Player's/team's abused missing games to the point, the league was forced to step in because fans were fed up paying hundreds to thousands of dollars to travel to see their favourite player play only for them to sit out last minute because of "Load Management"!
Nba players not caring is about to be on full display for the Allstar game coming up 😂😅
This aged well.
Draymond need to be blaming players like Ben Simmons and James Harden for this
Good point, if there was talk about me getting a raise at the end of the year and I break my leg and miss a significant amount of time, they probably won’t give it to me depending on how much time I missed. And yea it sucks, I’m a Sixers fan and want to see Embiid succeed, which means wins MVP, but the rule makes sense and I’m not mad at the rule. I just wish he didn’t get hurt.
Guys like Draymond are delusional, he thought he was spittin.
It’s crazy that a fan can pay $200 for a ticket to see their favorite player and the player is able to sit out of the game for “load management”. It makes you never wana go to another game
Imo even tho I hate the In-season tourney they may need to extend it to put more of an emphasis on regular season games and maybe even shorten the season 10 games to 72 but extend the play-in tournament to best of 7 , players would Def play more games that way
I especially liked that line of “you his peers failed Joel” it’s so true there are so many instances where players would sit out of Toronto games because they didn’t want to travel across the boarder but we are supposed to be like ahh shucks I guess I’ll see them next time like it’s a 20$ ticket
love your videos man.. fact checking and precision are on point i love the passion man keep going.
365 days in a year, but they make millions to only work 82, and now they're complaining about having to play 65. Basically work 65 games out of 365 a year. Dang!!
So all the practice time and PR things they have to do on behalf of the teams or endorsements don’t count as working days?
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen they're more like homeworks, but it's not like they work 8hrs in those 65 days.
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen oh my God commercials endorsements so hard 😢
@@JLynuuh no one said it was hard, but it is work.
@@huntermach7356 yeah no it isn’t. Also, you have no idea about their schedules because they do morning and afternoon practices….sounds like 8 hours of work to me. Not to mention training camps and other things they have to do.
draymond really seems like hes lost touch recently (on the court hes still draymond) but probably around the first TNT appearance being so praised and then the podcast accelerating it i can't really get on board with anything he says anymore
This is why draymonds pod might be the actual worse out of all the nba pods, because he has the weird sense of entitlement and opinions which is rooted in self agrandizing and so pro player that it actually hurts the league in which they play. Same attitude of kyrie saying they dont need a coach and Milwaukee going thru coaches.
Players being angry at the 65 game rule just shows why it exists. They WANT to miss games. Their whole mindset is rotten. They are just proving why the rule is a thing. If it wasn't there they would "load manage" every other game.
Yeah exactly only 1 MVP and I believe 3 DPOY's would be different if the rule always existed. And I actually went back and counted how many players would have missed out on All-NBA had the rule been in place.
EVERY single year prior to 2018: 25 TOTAL All-NBA players did not play 65 games.
2018-2023: 21 TOTAL All-NBA players did not play 65 games.
So no, the history books would definitely NOT look that different if only an average of 1 player every few years would not have qualified. This is an extremely recent issue and it's a great rule to have in place to get these guys to actually play and prove they can be as good over more time played. It's way easier to keep a 25-5-5 average over 50 games than it would be over 70 or 80 games.
I'm still trying to see Jimmy Butler live, 3 years in a row the Heat have visited the Magic on or around my birthday. Wife and I have gone to this matchup with hopes to see him and some how he's being out each time. Last December once again they came on my birthday and he was out and my wife had a feeling this would happen and had gotten me another game in MIA next month against Utah. Fingers crossed a FOURTH TIME IS A CHARM 😅
Don’t you see you’re part of the problem? Stop buying tickets. Do you continue to buy products from any other company that has a 100% failure rate?
@@blank-vj1mc it's one player, at the end of the night I'm still watching a basketball game and having fun/rooting for the team I went to go watch once a year based on a lucky scheduling coincidence that they roll into town on my bday weekend, relax it wasn't that deep guy.
@@oc3891 Lmao classic pay piggy response. “It’s not that deep that I complained about wasting money just let me pay into a corrupt corporation”
@@oc3891 BTW, would you have ever w considered tickets if Jimmy Butler wasn’t on either team? No. Because you don’t want to watch to G league teams play for the ticket cost of an NBA game.
@@blank-vj1mc that high horse you are struggling to ride is giving that airhead of yours a nose bleed and it shows. No one cares to entertain whatever anti corpo agenda your woke self is trying to push lol it's cringe. I've been going to both Magic and Heat games since 01. Especially when one of those teams suck that year, tix are that much cheaper!
"eVeRyOnE aRoUnD mE r ShEeP" lol yea sure, we get it kid, you're broke.
Late to the vid but just wanna say thanks for droppin these. Definitely enjoy listenin
to your opinions on topics, helps gets through work💯. Hope this stays a constant thing though nba seasons to come. If not it was great while it lasted.
Tbh I think people are just so enamored with Joel's ability they want to ignore that he's always been injury prone. Health should factor into the value someone brings to their team.
The NBA gave 17 rest days. Not including injuries. That’s pretty decent tbh
I like your takes my guy. Unbiased and real. Got a good channel right here. Keep it up!
If Draymond loses a DPOY to a player who played significantly less games than him, he would be the first to champion the 65-game rule and discredit others
This is blasphemy and copium at the highest level. Joel Embiid is somebody that’s infamous for being injury prone. The 76ers medical staff is infamous for their incompetence. This rule was necessary for the players that are not injured but still refuse to play. And acting like this rule is the reason that Embiid is injured is plain stupid. The reason is Embiid playing with a injured knee and an opponent falling onto that knee. If you are injured and miss significant amount of games you wouldn’t get mvps or all nba selection even if this rule wasn’t existing. And for crying out loud. The Jokics of this world manage to play 70+ games every season. Did Shai even miss a game this season ? They can stay healthy. This is not a problem for the NBA. This is a problem for Joel Embiid and the 76ers. Their franchise player and medical staff were willing to let him play injured. This is a stupid decision independent from any circumstances. Or is winning a MVP that much more important then being healthy Mr Joel Embiid and 76ers franchise ?
This generation of NBA players are Turing the average person away. They’re crying over 65 games. Not playing hard for all star games. I can’t watch millionaire cry over playing a game meanwhile the average American is struggling. The NBA is in a bad place right now. I don’t blame Lebron like a simple minded person. But it’s the fact they get so much money so fast they all become entitled
"the speed of the nba..." mfs used to throw haymakers in the paint bro
I'm from Michigan and my earliest basketball memories are of watching the Bad Boys Pistons win their championships. When I was a kid I thought you were _supposed_ to just clothesline anyone trying to drive to the rim. 😆
The NBA exists to entertain fans players getting paid is a side effect. The NBA should always prioritise the fans and spoiler, NOT A SINGLE FAN HAS COMPLAINED!!!
Not a single fan has complained ? I guess all the TH-camrs who make video to expose that are neither NBA not basketball fans ?
And the decreasing ratings probably mean fans are happy with the current state of the NBA ?
Fans complained when black players were on the court. They got over it. Well most did
8:45 "Is that the goal? To put the players in harm's way?"
*Bro you're more harmful to the players than injuries 💀💀💀*
Must be hard having to work 65 days a year for 20, 30, 40, 50 million. What a tough life
And NBA Awards are already a joke, Kobe and Shaq won one MVP each.
I feel like we should just collectively stop watching for a month and see how little they want to play then
ALSO: I'd love to say to my boss its bullshit that I can't get a raise and hour reduction. How does Draymond still have fans?
What happened to the MPJ video? I’m watching it on my iPad but it’s not coming up anywhere else
Prob deleted due to pretty much everyone disagreeing with him in the comments.
Comparing it to a regular job is nonsense
Draymond is prime example why I mainly don't like this newer age athlete media because they're agenda driven to protect the player brotherhood from criticism WHEN THEY DO deserve it and to protect their fragile egos.They hide behind being ppl who "played the game" to act like their talking points are absolute when it's really the opposite for most of them
Great take low as soon as draymond brought up the kawhi thing i was skeptical too
Mlb players play 162 games i dont want to hear “85 games is to much” bullshit from nba players todays nba players are spoiled rotten
I am really curious with what MJ thinks about this load management thing
What’s funny is how so many players say they love Kobe and how he’s their favorite player. Yet none of his ideologies carry over to them.
None of them have the love for the fans to try their hardest to make it out and play a game for them.
None of them have that toughness wanting physicality throughout the game.
None of them have that mentality to continue to play a game after tiny nick ups and brushes. If they dislocated their finger, they’d be out for a week.
None of them want to make the All Star game feel like a real game, where it’s truly the best going at one another. Rather than it currently being a layup line for 48 minutes
They’re all so soft, overly coddled and privileged that they forgot who they truly are.
This is their Job too....Now they know how an Employee feels