Escape Attempt From Jonestown (November 1977) Jim Jones ANGRY!
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- The tape consists of a portion of a meeting in Jonestown during which two young men - Tommy Bogue and Brian Davis - who made an unsuccessful escape attempt appear before the community to explain their actions and to learn what discipline they will face as a result. Neither the beginning nor the end of the meeting appear here, so there is no firm indication of what the community’s decision will bewhen the tape ends. (The boys’ voices are difficult to differentiate, and both are indicated on the accompanying transcript as “young man in trouble.”)
Tommy and Brian had apparently left the Jonestown community under cover of darkness after having stolen several items such as flashlights and matches. They had made few plans beyond the escape itself, and weren’t even going to stay together: one had planned to go to Venezuela, and the other planned to live along a local river, catching fish to survive. Jim Jones is upset, in part, because he says he has had to involve the Guyana government in locating the young men, costing him good will and political capital; the community is upset, in part, because it lost a day of work searching for them.
At the beginning of the tape, Jones is reminding the young men of the dangers they faced while they were gone. There are wild animals in the jungle, he says, ranging from tigers and ocelots, to several kinds of snakes that can kill a human being. The animals don’t bother the people of Jonestown, he reassures them later in the tape, “because we have a protective aura. Nothing comes in here.” But that protection doesn’t extend beyond the perimeter of the community.
Jones also tells Tommy and Brian that everyone in the country was on the lookout for them. He had alerted every person in the government, from the prime minister on down to the local police. There is a law, he says later, making everyone in the country responsible for returning Temple members to Jonestown. And that’s how they were caught. “How do you suppose we knew where you were? You passed two government people. They informed us. All the natives informed us.”
What’s more, he adds, had they made it to the Venezuelan border, “[t]he Border Patrol said, if you try to cross, you’d be shot.” If they had been captured by the local police, they could have been thrown in jail and “whipped 39 times with a cat o’nine tails.” And if they hadn’t been caught soon, someone would have found them in the jungle after five or six days, and they would have been barely alive.
At some points in the tape, Jones asks the young men what they would have done to survive, although - apparently in an effort to prevent them from lying - he reminds them that the Jonestown leadership knows a lot already. When the escapees say they would have found jobs, Jones sounds perplexed. There are jobs available at Jonestown, he says. Beyond that, they have free medical care, as well as the love of the community.
Later in the meeting, though, Jones offers another reason the young men shouldn’t have left, and the tone of his voice suggests this one is closer to his true belief: “There’s no possible way we can tolerate anarchy,” he says, “no possible way that we can tolerate people going out and living on their own.”
Tommy and Brian apparently have declared they wanted to return to the U.S., but Jones says they won’t return to what he calls “that fascist Babylon” until everybody in San Francisco has joined them. At that point, he says to cheers and applause, “then we’ll be glad to be rid of the likes of both of you.”
Jones’ anger seems genuine. He speaks through gritted teeth on several occasions. He sets the tone of the abuse leveled at the boys by calling them “vermin,” “parasitical,” “contemptible.” At one point, he snaps, “You’re vile. You’re evil. You’re insidious. You’re low.” At another, he literally spits numerous times in disgust.
While Jones’ criticism of the boys is the most prolonged, he is by no means alone, and other community members follow his lead. While tentative at first, eventually a number of voices speak against them. The anger of the community is as deep as Jones’. “We didn’t want to look for you at all,” one woman shouts. “We woulda left you [in the jungle].”
A woman who had counseled one of them, promising him confidentiality, says she thinks their actions have relieved her of that obligation. Jones agrees - “It’s all obliterated… Your privileged relationship with your counselor no longer exists in this room. She’s ordered by the good of the collective to tell everything you’ve said” - and the woman speaks of the young man’s lack of interest in the community, in the cause, and in socialism itself. At other points in the tape, other women - or perhaps the same one - says the young man described himself as being more of a capitalist than a socialist, although he is apparently willing to accept the benefits of a socialist life.
I'd rather than die in the jungle than going back to that hell hole.
You can say that again.
Well said. Agreed.
Just the thought that this shit went down in my lovely native land.
@@FrankJohn what was the climate like at the time this incident happened, how was the response from the citizens of Guyana, was there alot of publicity, was there alot of anger from the citizens of Guyana because this left a stain in your country?
Right? I'd rather feed an animal and help continue it's life than feed a megalomaniac's delussion.
Why worry about a snake from the jungle, when the snake was the one there pretending to be a reverend?
Eloquently said
Ikr
It shocks me they needed nurse's or doctors when Jones could heal 🧐🙄
Cancer? Cured! Diarrhea? Sorry.
They knew and he knew they could not heal. all except dummy's and there dead dog duke knows it.Scripture stops healing after newcovenant and faith if the read it.
@Daveon Smith What some one knows about and read about in full context of the matter is more brilliant than any Idiot who dare call any one Stupid. It shows greatly in reality based by your biased opinion and flowed low grade replying ignorantly Stupid.
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LMBO 😂😂
It's absolutely tragic that only one of these two boys made it out of there alive. They deserve credit for trying to escape that nightmare place.
To me, just trying to escape was a selfish no-brainer. Jones was an easy mark. Someone could’ve offed him long before Leo Ryan’s visit and the senseless loss of life that followed. Although It may have also ended badly with a machete to Jones’ neck, there’s a chance it would’ve ended the total madness right then and there. He had his loyalists, but seemingly no one capable of taking over with his decapitated corpse lying there. So many more than we know wanted the fuck out of there. They probably would’ve cheered his murder and celebrated his killer.
@@johnaddeo2251 I know right??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
@@johnaddeo2251 it seems that way, but then again, all hell might have broken loose and his security forces would have killed many as a reprisal. But yes, it would likely have been less dead. It's so sad.
@@jamesb.9472 Yes, one escaped with his family with Leo Ryan, the other was killed in the massacre. They were both 17.
@@jamesb.9472 No. The boy who survived's name is Thom Bogue. On the jonestown website he wrote an account of what he and his best friend went through when they tried to escape, and what his friend said the last time he saw him alive. It's harrowing.
The boy who died apparently wanted to go with Leo Ryan but his family didn't, and since he was only 17, Ryan wouldn't have taken him. He and the others wouldn't have known they were all about to die.
It's strange to hear him describe men being assaulted in prison showers, given that he was literally doing the same thing to men in his congregation.
Just Capitalist propaganda
What? He was raped men there too???
there was also a tape where he had his people beat on a guy who raped a 12 year old girl. Which i totally get but he’s raped so many of the men women and children.
@@pauljones8801 You are a communist drone.
This is disgusting, this jim jones was batshit crazy!
"So this is how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause."
When Jones literally and figuratively threw away the Bible during a sermon and told his congregation that religion is bullshit, that it was simply a means for an end for him, they cheered and shouted their support. As Jones blasphemes God they whoop and clap merrily.
@@TonyMichaels166 Jim was a deranged narcissistic pervert. It's unfortunate that there'll always be people in the world who are that blind and gullible. I just feel sorry for all the poor kids that got killed as well because of all that insanity. Their parents and guardians failed them miserably.
Thom Bogue was one of the boys. It was his mother that wanted to shoot him, then herself. Imagine how betrayed he felt, hearing that out his mother's mouth? He survived Nov 18th. He speaks on documentaries how he ran into the jungle and found a native of Guyana who got him out and safe.
Yes...his own mother. At what point did his mother put loyalty to Jones over a Mother's love....
@@henrybemis8913 - They were almost all delusional in terms of currying favor with “Dad” at any cost. However, they were all expendable and branded for death. How could anyone there make any sense of this. It also strikes me that a lot of the women were nasty, outspoken and fouled mouthed. These were supposed to be disenfranchised people, looking to live in peace and brotherhood. They sound like women fighting at the checkout at Walmart. Women are supposed to be the nurturers and peacemakers, if you listen to these recordings, a lot of the time they were anything but. It makes me feel even sadder about this terrible occurrence.
Wasn't his mom edith Bogue? You can see her speaking to Jones on the ABC news reel where she was leaving with the defectors... I can't imagine her telling her son that.
@@kacyrozier517 yes you're right. Apparently the Bogue fam tried escaping prior to Ryan's visit but got caught planning, so waited out for Ryan. She hasn't spoken out about anything. Jones had her sign countless blank pages no doubt confessing to crimes she hadn't done. She prob yelled at her son to fake prove she was still on side with Jones.
Who Knows, maybe mom wanted them to give her a loaded gun so she could shoot Jones.?
Jim Jones reminds me of the saying “never trust a man who wears sun glasses indoors”
Riiiight!👀👀👀
Unless you are blind.
Or a scarf.
Why would you say that you know people have glaucoma.
@@marryIsfake964 well he didn't
Man these folks were just angry for no reason. That mom is crazy. Man Jim Jones was just evil
A 36 foot long anaconda who can crush a horse in seconds? Jesus divorce court. He really had those people controlled. Tigers, snakes, panthers, everything on down. I’m glad I wouldn’t want to live in that horrible place.
Lol
People there must have really believed all that shit. I was laughing when he said that. 😂
@@ActiveAussie2024 right
I enjoy my freedom and privacy too much for that lifestyle.
He was a cruel man
His followers were just as cruel, if not worse.
He was worse than cruel. I hope Lucifer is having a pineapple party in his aas.
You can clearly hear how much he enjoys their suffering.
He is a sadist.
damn jim jones was convincing me not to escape... naming all them damn animals without stuttering 🐬
Hehehe
Naw not me I’ll run 🏃♂️ far away
Right
@@dakingltroyproductofdade3579 don’t leave me troy
@@dakingltroyproductofdade3579 You selfish
This is absolutely horrific.
Exactly. That's why people ask me do I go to church yes but I don't go to any church. People reading to The Bible things that are not really in there. No one absolutely no 1 knows what color jesis what color Jesus or God is. Not the Pope not Is mother Theresa no one.
This stuff should have a wider distribution......and more views....thanks for all of your work....keep them coming....
You're welcome n Thank you
Allllll this time I thought these folks were seduced by a religious cult. This may have been a religious cult - but it was also way more political than I realized as a child. And I NEVER would have guessed Jones and his followers cussed like sailors. I just thought it was way more “clean” than it was. Thanks so much for posting these.
All he preached about was equality and socialism. Very bad language and most his follower held him up to a God level. He told them one time if they all died he could bring them back to life.. in the death tape you can hear a woman giving her testimony saying "he (Jones) is the only God" it was all around fubar these people want to kill people that want to escape.. total brainwashing and demoralization what he is doing is making them feel guilty to the point they are convinced they deserve to die and then he spares them so they will feel like he is merciful gaining their trust and loyalty..
Right, I thought it was a religious cult with good intentions. As I learned more I see these people became evil right along with Jim Jones. And the one that didn’t were in a sense held captive.
He knew who he was dealing with. Religion is mostly a ruse to get people to feel better about themselves. It was a Marxist cult filled with greedy, and power hungry people. Jones knew how to talk to them and what language excited them. Nasty and foul is what they craved. All cons follow the same guideline, let you believe you are doing something good for others (the BS layer on the top), while enticing you with what you really want (the true intent) beneath that. This gives people a permanent out, they are helping and doing something positive, and you are just a bad guy.
Facts it was all that wrap in one
It really depends on how much he revealed* and how soon. Did he have gnnmen in America? If he did, I don't remember anybody saying he did. If this was the case, people should have left in droves back then. In Jonestown, it was probably too late(unless you wanted to die)...
*At first, he claimed to be a Christian minister that accepted black people. And, supposedly, he was convincing. Gradually, he morphed into a monster. But, according to a doc on him, at all points in his ministry, he was always either a hypocrite or an obvious cult leader!
Jonestown is a lesson for everyone: it doesn’t matter what language people throw around. Jim Jones convinced PROMINENT politicians that he was on the “right side” simply because of what he preached. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. More often than not, that enemy is merely another enemy.
Exactly, that was Christopher Hitchens mistake.
He rightly dispised islamists but allied himself with the religious right on the Iraq war.
What he preached and what he did for the people
Jim jones convinced prominent politicians because he passed them money.
Charles Boswell, George Mascone, Harvey Milk, Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Brown, Willie Brown, Mervyn Dymally, Rosalynn Carter, Walter Mondale, Angela Davis, Cecil Williams, and Huey Newton. All of these people were personal friends and/or political allies of Jim Jones. Never forget who these corrupt, evil people are/were and who they stood with.
If he mentions that "laborious" snake one more time...
This may sound bad, but the more I hear these rambling tapes of Jim and the horrible stuff he did to his followers, the more I understand why some of them drank the koolaid. Cuz I'm sure there were some who drank it not because they really wanted to or even believed the BS Jim spouted out, but because they were probably so tramautized by that point and depressed, probably also saw no other way out. Most of the people who did try to fight back died anyway. It's so heartbreaking.
Yes. Survivors even felt like that and said you work in the field all day with Jones on the intercom, food is gruel (bugs in it), no protein, then all attend all night meetings past midnight. A percentage are like, "Fuck it." No escape.
Jim kept the people sleep deprived and food deprived and ruled them by fear. A good read on this subject is by author Julia scheeres
I agree
And he did so many fake suicide attempts that the first group that drank the poison probably thought it was another fake suicide.
@@trissloan2340literally his “meetings” would go on for hours and hours even after working in the hot sun for 12 hours I would’ve drank the flavor aid too at that point.
He was manipulating the crowd as well as those kids who escaped like the master manipulator he was
Exactly you can hear it hes trying to put fear in those boys As well as everyone in the pavilion.
"why didn't you warn him? he doesn't know shit from apple butter" LOL dude Jim with the one liner jabs. so damn funny
Yikes... Not even 10 minutes in and I'm already triggered. I can't imagine being stuck in the Jungle listening to Jim Jones' mythomaniacal verbal diarrhea day and night. His voice, his self- absorption, his confident stupidity and deluded sense of self-importance are clearly illustrated here. Textbook narcissist. Thanks for posting this, it really shows the fear that people had, the depth of his madness and his control/manipulation of the people.
Facts for real lies they will just have to shoot me cuz I’ll run away for sure Jim Jones and all the other fools following him
It does trigger u automatically cuz it’s just so bull shit for one mind to take . All the ppl who believe in Jim jones deserved to die for sho I feel bad for the ppl who wanted to leave and live and all the poor kids smh I hope all the bad ppl are in hell where they belong ..
Exactly and look how hes talking not only is sees talking to those 2 boys. He's talking to everyone in the pavilion just in case they're thinking about escaping. And most of the stuff he is saying is not true. If the slaves got away these people could have got away. All you need is that 1 person to have sympathy for you.
Triggered? 😂
Excellent find again!
Imagine the level of Therapy you would need from being involved in a cult like this? Everyone is so full of hate. Everyone is tearing you down. Everyone is talking down to you, belittling you, that would be enough for someone to realize that this is not ok. It's like they're all brainwashed to be hateful. My self-esteem would be tremendously low if I were around and survived this. This is awful.
You should read Toms story about what he and his great friend Brian suffered there. Not only there, but years prior in San Francisco. It's literally like Papillion. Tom also paints a pretty nasty picture of Stephan Jones as well. He was not this sweet, rebellious kid who fought for others. He was a narcissistic bully who terrorized the younger people there. Of course they will tell you everyone is equal, but of course thats bullshit. The Leaders kid will always get their way, and surprise, they both survived.
Yeah two or three out of like ten? Yeah they REALLY got there way. I see Jim Jones is still turning people against each other even from the grave. He did that to those kids, what more do you expect? But we don't think anything of his own mother doing this to him as well? They're ALL victims Stephan was brainwashed just like this man's own mother. Please don't play the blame game these people have suffered enough.
@@daisyharris4247 WTH are you talking about? No, they are not all victims, many of those people loved being able to harm and hurt others at will.
Is this info in a book? Article? I wanna read what you are talking about.
@@shipoopeeeeeeeee There are several interviews with Tom. He also wrote an article about it and there is a link to his story on the jonestown dead and survivors list. He and his friend were dragged into Peoples Temple in San Francisco by their families. They were young teenagers when they met there and both didnt want to be there. They actually escaped at least once in San Francisco only to be turned in by relatives. I would just search his name and it should come up. But its been years since I read it. Tom is now a local politician in his city. The other one (Brian) was essentially broken after he and Tom were caught in JT. Tom is the one Gosney was talking about who was "terrified out of his mind" and was too scared to join in on Gosneys plan to pass a note the Congressman. Brian was killed at JT along with his famly whereas Toms family was able to get out.
@@daisyharris4247You think the fact both his sons lived is a coincidence?
thank you for preserving history. those who do not remember the past, are condemned to repeat it
Been going down the Jim jones rabbit hole on TH-cam and came across this video. I kept hearing jim say “the cat of nine tails” and had to google it. Smh 🤦🏼♀️. Those poor ppl.
This is crazy he was so abusive
I’m sure he’s paying for all of the blood on his hands right now as we speak.
Wow man they couldn't gotten out of that place even if they wanted to. This guy was hugely connected. They unfortunately sealed their own fate leaving with this mad man. A cat of nine lashings?? Wow man that's horrifying
I wonder if he was lying to scare the boys
Sad but true
Pretty sure the threat of death is scarier
@@amybaum272275% of the things he spewed was bs.
He was making it all up. You think a poor country like Guyana had 15 different police forces? You think the Russians were really going to risk a nuclear war over 900 Americans under the rule of a drug addled fruitcake? How many black American Russian refugees do you think there are?
Jonestown depended on government checks from the United States government. They couldn't produce enough food to feed everyone. They didn't even have enough housing developments .
You just got a new subscriber, Sir. Thank you! In response to one of your comments, I still care...VERY Much So. The massacre occurred during my Junior Year in College. Many of those who perished were my peers. Felt as if I shook my head for a very long time afterward trying to understand this whole situation. Still not sure I do to this day.
Cheers, Blessing and All Best, Sir.
Ive heard many Jonestown and jim Jones recordings but I find this one of the most frightening, imagine the entire community and its leader all wanting to punish you , just for wanting to leave, truly sinister
I wanted to take the time to thank you for all the work and energy that you put into this. It's a heartbreaking hearing some of the members being so evil I think that they may have done that to stay on the good side Jim Jones
I am so glad you like my videos...I was beginning to wonder not too long ago if anyone cared about Jonestown anymore?
Yes thank you! Iam on your channel all the time for jonestown. I listen to them over and over. The whole thing is just mind blowing there is so many layers to the whole thing.
@@JamesJames-qj7xr I I agree I don't even know why I got started on watching these videos about Jonestown I've obtained a lot of information from watching these videos no matter how many years go by it's still baffles my mind on what happened there
@@JamesJames-qj7xr Thank you
@Zahara Greene yeah it's something that I will never forget he was such a monster even as a little child he was definitely evil I often wonder why he recorded such hateful situations to show the world that he was definitely a devil and the death tape that is the scariest real life recording that I've ever heard in my entire life and if you listen to some of the tapes his laugh is definitely demonic all them people were trapped and if you did come he'll get out some of the people ended up dead in mysterious ways I'm ready for the results I imagine that he kept a lot of those people drugged up all they got was rice three times a day with bugs in it for someone to turn families against families is so horrible
Jones literally and figuratively threw away the Bible during a sermon where he told his members that religion is bullshit and was simply a means to an end. As he rants against and insults God the congregation cheers, claps, hollers, and wholeheartedly support his blasphemy.
6:54 "...in capitalist Venezuela". Well, not anymore...
As if his funds weren't provided by the spoils of capitalism. He got rich on other people's social security checks.
I saw an interview with Thom Bogue years after it happened and if I recall him and Brian were chained together for 3 weeks to complete hard labor 18 hours a day as part of their punishment for trying to escape. It was just heartbreaking to hear him also describe the last time he saw Brian alive Thom was one of those leaving on the plane with Congressman Ryan's party. He turned and said to Brian please come with us he said Brian just looked at him and simply, sadly said I can't. That was the last time Thom ever saw brain alive. Thoms first-hand account of his time at Jonestown was also featured in the book A Thousand Lives by Juila Scheers.
Brian and tommy were about 15. Brian’s family refused to go which is why he stayed. So sad
I have the book. Quite devastating story
The chains were welded to their ankles they were obviously burned
Brian and Thom were both drugged alot as well. That's probably why Brian said that he couldn't go.
I grew up with Thom bogue’s stepson. Thom was the mayor of my hometown a few years ago & is now running for congress
When he started spitting on them it made me cringe then everyone started clapping
I rather die or go to jail then be in that camp
You could be eaten by a Tiger!
Omg lie after lie. This is so sad. Folks never give your mind over to anything.
Jim was not the only one responsible for the death of these people. I question how do people follow a psyco like this. The human condition is a mystery.
Here's a fun fact. The first voice you hear in this clip is Stephan Jones, Jim's son. Just as mean and evil as his dad, the would partake in punishing those who dared to oppose his father.
Stephan survived the mass-murder because he was taking part in a basketball tournament at Gergetown (in fact, he was watching a movie while the event took place).
He was never punished by law for anything that happened in Jonestown.
In every interview he has done since, he acts as if he was a victim.
Kinda sounds like people about 3 years ago trying to tell me to stay home and ruin my kid’s education and to be afraid of everything n everyone.
Imagine two innocent boys being terrified and terrorized this way. I have a son the age of these two boys and this is just so heartbreaking to hear these boys speak and Imagine my son in that kind of situation. I'm so sad. Especially Tommy's mom say she will shoot her son.
And slapped him (Thom) until Jones told her (his mom) to stop.
Thanks
Would it be possible to get some captions on these photo? I have watch a ton of stuff on Jonestown and some of these photos I have never seen! Enjoy the content from your channel!
Thank you dad
Wrong guys on the thumbnail.Thats Stanley Geig ,tractor driver and airport shooter and his brother Clifford Gieg trusted member of Jonestown who worked on the boat Cujoe.
So this was really jail.
Lol yes
It was a total shithole.
Jesus Christ I can’t imagine how terrified these two must have been. Why on earth would they want to escape? Gee I dunno, maybe it’s got something to do with how you’re speaking to them upon their return. It sounds like he spits on them at 22:07
He did
The language though...
Interesting, you can hear Stephen Jones at the beginning... so he was right along with his dad at some point at times???
Absolutely
How do you know it's Stephan at the beginning? (I'm not doubting, I'm just confirming what I've noticed from some of the survivors who seem to have revised history and minimized their own involvement in this story)
@@DaphneO. it sounds alot like him.. same voice and all
You can tell it’s his voice.
It's amazing the amount of people active in the masercre that have never been held accountable.
"He doesn't know shit from Apple butter" 😆😆
27:30 I really would like to teleport to this moment just so I could shout back to him “..sure rev, you’re a regular fu-king peach!!”
I heard Jones’ ashes were scattered at sea… it’s sad that he gets a better burial than most of his victims… love to all the victims and their family members💕
You heard wrong
Should of been flushed down a toilet
He didn’t die that day
He did die that day from a shotgun to the head either self inflicted or from one of his aides. His ashes were scattered at sea to avoid ghoulish grave visitors.
He's in the mass grave with all the other victims unfortunately
The saddest of many tapes and documentaries I've listened to on this doomed cult.
We had to write poems in a creative writing class in high school. 25 tragedies were put up on the board we had to pick one. I made the mistake of asking the teacher what Jonestown was. A few years later in college, it was covered extensively in an elective I took on occupational behavior and how people can be brainwashed. As a human being, I’m glad I know. But this is a story. I wish I could forget.
Thats Stephan Jones at the begining speaking, the two boys are/were Thom Bogue (lived) Brian, Thom Bogue wrote this account on the Jonestown Alternative website, Stephan was a different man bk then, took part in the punishments, also speaking are John Cobb (security) Stephan Jones. This is sickening, I admire Stephan now, but he was under his fathers influence bk then, tried to protect him, once yhe suicides occuŕed, it Jim's hold over Stephan broke and compassion came over him, he was shell shocked
On the Jonestown web site there is a recollection by Tommy of his friend Brian. I thought Tommy left with the defectors, but possibly I am wrong. His recollection shows how he felt to bid his friend goodbye. Brian died on 11/18 along with the 900 others .
Tommy did leave with the 'defectors' I am so confused and heartbroken, all those babies - GONE
I read that, it's one of the saddest articles on that site. Brian apparently wanted to go with the defectors, but he was only 17, and apparently couldn't leave without his family. Congressman Ryan probably wouldn't even have taken him since he was a minor. I don't think any of them knew that anybody left behind were all going to die that day.
Jones sure did round up some vulgar folks from the streets of san Francisco to take with him to Jonestown.
Lmao He could do the same thing in the streets of Los Angeles.
You can have all of California. Stay out there on the west coast. We do not need anymore liberal folks moving to the east coast.
I will never speak Ill of the dead because it’s wrong. And I know God doesn’t like it . But in the words of Stephen Jones . Don’t judge it learn from it so this doesn’t happen again. To the servers I am happy that you are still with us. To the everyone who lost their love ones. RIP. You’re gone but you will never be forgotten. I do understand that some people won’t understand were I am coming from. But I have my own mind and my own beliefs . I do respect how everyone else believes and won’t say anything bad . Please don’t say it to me .
Well god damn, did I hear Jim Jones spitting on those guys??!! Or did I not hear that??!!
Watch your mouth
GD
I heard that as well
Yes
Indeed you did. But please go easy on the language, friend.
Thanks for reading.
@@greggeverman5578 please excuse my language man. Just the fact that I was so blown away by hearing that from a so-called minister.
Where did you get this recordings?
I had never heard any other recordings of Jones aside from the death tape. The stark contrast here in his voice shows how much he deteriorated physically and mentally being treated as a god in this cult village.
Hearing the applause sickens me
Not to be insensitive to those who lost their lives but......why do these folks sound so angry towards teenagers who tried to escape this non-existent paradise? Everyone’s screaming profanities like they’re trying to impress Jim or something. No individualized thinking what so ever 🤔🤨🧐🤭They should all be ashamed of themselves, treating each other with such blatant disrespect & aggression, hostility, awhile screaming obscene profanities. Where’s the Love!?!?!? Especially towards the youth & seniors.
Yo fr. They took a vote to shoot these kids smh now I only feel bad for those poor kids who died
they were brainwashed by Jones, that’s why :-(
@@ivanabear8824 Being brainwashed is still no excuse. That you would happily execute your flesh and blood because someone tells you to, is a level of evil nothing can touch.
It's happening today as we speak. What do you think cancel culture is? Bullying and dehumanizing a person and making them worthless to others.
Pure social psychology, Billiejean. The crowd baying for blood, empowering lunatic Jones & yes trying to impress & save their *sses by feeding his ego. Sadly the children are the only innocents in this as they didn't have a choice. Without those adults there's no ' Jim Jones ' .
Scalawags- how eloquently said. That’s a different lyric for troublemaker ❤😊
Jim Jones was on drugs and he was their drug
This is just a small sample of what people living under socialism/ communism actually go through.
This manipulation of the truth, and creation of a fabricated fear of the outside is such a distinctive feature of cults.
The script is almost word for word for that I heard growing up in a different cult....
As bad as this is the White Night with Willie Malone is even more intense. Malone was a streetwise young kid from L.A. who made the mistake of mentioning George Jackson which really set Jones off. Jones's son was there like in this clip piling on.
We’ll put yah in duh fuckin’ box wid duh frog tonight, THEN see if you can stay away from duh frog. ONE touch of the FUCKIN’ frog. How bout dat, Willy Boy? Big old gang land Willy Boy. How bout- how bout goin’ in duh box tonight wid duh frog?… How bout duh frog? Why don’t we get the frog? Why don’t you put your hand in there with the frog?… that’s YOUR problem. You touch the frog, you’re dead. How bout it, Willy? How bout it, Willy? Wanna touch the frog tonight, Willy? You PUNK. You GODDAMN GANGLAND PUNK… If you do want to die why the hell don’t you just take the goddamn frog?… So you’re not afraid of dying, huh? Why don’t you take the frog then? What are you gonna prove by that, big man? PUNK. What are you gonna prove by taking the frog and dying tonight?… If you do want to die why the hell don’t you just take the goddamn frog?… The frog- is he a capitalist? Is the fuckin’ frog a capitalist?… you think that being brave is in and itself- it means not shit, worth nothing- unless it’s connected to socialism, and you haven’t got it connected to socialism… So you’re gonna be tough and take the frog? You want to take the frog? I’m getting sick of this. I said do you want to take it? Cuz the frog, ya know- if you take the goddamn frog ain’t nothin’ in the world stops it. Anyone in the world can pick up a frog once and take a fuckin’ frog. Ain’t committed no crime.
@@TonyMichaels166 put your hand in there with the frog Willy, come on Willy boy, put your hand in there put your hand in there
The devil is the father of lies...
There must’ve been many more than a few, who were just as angry at Jim Jones as they were with their peers, who either tried to escape or otherwise go against Jones in any way. The language, the sick sadistic way they spoke of and to each other. These were people seeking peace and harmony? How many of the 900+ knew they were sold a bill of goods, with all the infighting and extreme unpleasantness that gripped this armed encampment, many months prior to the massacre. They were malnourished, persecuted, ridiculously overworked, sleep deprived and in some cases sexually abused. Jones must’ve been ripe for being poisoned, shot, decapitated on a fairly regular basis. Someone needed the balls. With his sudden death, it’s possible the whole thing could’ve fallen apart. There was a point where they all knew they were going to die anyway. Like the passengers on Flight 93 on 9/11, doing nothing was not an option. I know my take on this is insane in most people’s eyes, i just think that even one person, acting alone, picking his spot and quickly murdering Jones could've ended things and saved many lives.
How many of the 10 Commandments did this evil man break?
All of em!
He broke at least nine of them. He might not have worshipped any graven image. If he broke nine out of ten, he's pretty much at the top of the class. Not a class I'd want anything to do with.
more than 10
by calling himself god, he made himself into a graven image, and made his followers worship him, so I think he broke that one too
Wow so the police and government knew this man was doing this. Not only knew it but was in on it with Jones. Good thing I can't think no less of the world than what I already think🤗 else I would be in such distain 🤬
The lies of Jim Jones about THE BORDER PATROL SAID IF YOU TRIED TO CROSS THE BORDER YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT... In other words you put out a HIT on them??? But what is the saddest thing is the response YES FATHER.... YES FATHER,,,,
They believe everything why would they believe that.
I wouldn’t have even called him father. I would just call him Jim. I don’t care what his crazy members would try to do to me I’ll just call him Jim. by that time, Jones is already increasingly paranoid, and also mentally unstable, by the time he was already killing himself slowly on drugs. But that calling him father that all started in Redwood Valley or San Francisco. my grandmother visited his church about four years before the massacre, and when she listened to his sermon, she knew that something wasn’t right. from what I’ve heard from my grandpa, some lady invited her to a People’s Temple service in Los Angeles. And when she stepped foot in the church and listen to his sermon, she knew that when he spoke wasn’t a Christian message. When he first pastored in Indiana, he preached a Christian message, but then his druggie started and he disavowed Christianity in 1970.
A solid Christian calling people asshole and using such profanity, he was a sick man, that wanted control of peoples minds
Jim Jones was an atheist. So was his cult.
everyone had to give their 2 cents
They have unemployment, but cant afford to feed people? Wut?
I tried looking up the people who tried escaping back in '77, and there are no names, or no real mention of this incident other than this recording. I'm interested to know if they wound up dying the next year or not. If so, that's one of the worst things about the whole thing. That they were aware that they would probably suffer some horrible fate and were ALMOST out, must've been like.death before the poison.
One died ,the other survived.
@@thaismatsumoto Well that's greatsucks!!! 😃😔
@@futurefind674 yeah..one left with his family,the other didn’t leave because his family stayed.
@@thaismatsumoto Did the one who left get anyone killed on the runway? (I assume that's when they escaped).
Wow! The language of these people is appalling!
Id be like dam why dont yall just let the jungle kill me then. Yall dont make no sense.
Isn't it my understanding that Jones was a millionaire at the time of his death?
Yes, and I don't understand why the people weren't fed better.
@@msrain1235 that's socialism. Only the people at the top collecting everybody's money and distributed to the rest, at their discretion, while they keep the rest!
He has millions they all gave him all they property houses cars every thang and he starve them ppl feedin them only rice they say he had lot of weapons gun money all was found there after they died them fools still stick up for him they was stupid
@@abryant8287
That's also Capitalism.
Just look at America.
@@StBindo hardly!
This is actually kind of hilarious. The kid holds himself up remarkably well in the face of this lunacy and this idiotic, lynch, mob. All of his responses are just measured and rational. It's funny to hear how it makes Jones go berserk.
He"s a fucking legend. He just makes those idiots get more infuriated.
What's even better is that he's still alive today, he beat them. He won, they tried to kill him, shot him in the plane, torture him for weeks in shackles, and yet he came out one of the few survivors
@@shable1436 Yeah, that's awesome. That's great to know that he survived. Also, those two young girls and their father from the Parks family. Absolute winners.
This is the pot calling the kettle black.
Creepy and pathetic
These were teenage boys they were talking to and treated them terribly tied them together!!
Well, didn't get bit by any snake until they got back. Snake's name was Jones.
When he talks about the laborious snake, the laborious snake his name is Jim Jones. A 46 year old drugged up man, power-hungry, and on a power trip.
Jones was a much more deadly snake than the snakes living in the jungle.
Wow they don't talk like a religious group lol
They weren’t a religious group at all,Jones three Bible out years bf this,his followers cheered him when he did,they were a political cult
Jim literally sounds and behaves like the us government and elites do today,it’s uncomfortably similar on how we were treated during the pandemic and plans that are put in place today.the fearmonging the psychological condition…
I'm not making this comment for anyone who doesn't believe in Christ as their savior but for the believers especially new baby believers in the faith please always make sure to study the biblical scriptures for yourself like the bible says to do so that you will never be deceived by any man or woman claiming to speak for God. Always test the words and workings of any minister through scriptures. Jj deceived many through fake miracles and his preaching in the very beginning.
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I can’t tel if the mother was serious about killing them or was trying to get someone to give her a gun so she can shoot jones?
I doubt that jungle was half as dangerous as Jones said it was, but even if it was, I'd take my chances and run.
I hear him swaying back and forth like a cobra. He’s rageful then he’s your guardian then he’s soooo disappointed then he’s oh so concerned how you were in danger and he just had worry for you. While you’re in the wobble he induced he injects the phobias he uses to trap you and the new identity that merges you with the cult. Vile act of evil and it happens every day to millions of people in abusive relationships and many don’t even know ow they are abused. 🤯
You can hear Jim jones son Steven jones and he talked just as bad to these poor people as his father and he’s still alive and acts so sorry but I think it’s a joke
30:49 😮 this is the mother talking like this.
Absolutely disgusting
Ven-zuela!!
Grates on my nerves for some reason as well.
Hearing that child curse these guys out was shocking. Those kids were so indoctrinated.
I don’t get this video. The kid said he’d been there for 14 months but the title of the video says this happened in November 77. They died in November 78. So it makes no sense because Jonestown only last a little over a year
It makes sense. They started building Jonestown around 1974. In the follow up there were several hundreds of people already there.
@@tolaga9172 ahh ok. Yeah I read more on it. Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
Exactly
He talks a lot like the modern democrats
he talks more like modern day republicans, the ones obsessed with “god”
however, you should know politics were only a pawn in jones’ game, he would have called himself a republican; if it had conjured more people. he had no allegiance to anything except death itself
@@punchfrancescka3980 he’s giving props to the Soviet Union and calling them friends…
@@austinbevis4266 didnt trump do that exact thing? lol
@@punchfrancescka3980 when?
@@austinbevis4266 i tried posting links, but youtube seems to be throwing a fit about them. feel free to DM me for links/sources, id be more than happy to supply them. or feel free to google what im saying, its easily accessible
anyways, for many times in recent years, have the republicans (specifically trump), have congratulated and celebrated russia and the soviet union’s ideals. your “american” faux 45th president trump many times celebrated putin. theyre both fascists, and i believe if you support modern-day republicanism; you are supporting fascism. its funny because they have weaponized so many things themselves, that their supporters are brainwashed (much like jonestown)
if you dont see the collusion of republicans with russia as a red flag, i may need someone with less intelligence to explain these things to you. trump specifically asked russia themselves, to investigate biden winning the 2020 election…
seriously, do you not understand how ironic your original statement is? especially when the republicans are better examples at holding fascist ideals themselves?
They don’t sound brainwashed to me when their speaking hatred towards one another & it doesn’t sound like a utopian paradise either!!! Why couldn’t Jim just send this child home back to the U.S. but they can come & go all the time… yeah right!!!
3:35 that lady sounds like a 2021 SJW
She is and Jim too
It's same ideograph of SOCIAL JUSTICE MARXIST IDEOLOGY OF 2022
@@gjsbrickworklimited9736 yes. There are plenty of people around in 2022 who would happily create multiple Jonestowns and enslave people there.
The rantings of Jonestown has definitely gone mainstream today.
Frame 3:23 that woman's voice I know that voice.... That sure sounds like the woman I was told is my husband's grandmother , she's been dead for a few years not