It's a right. And that's my opinion and people have a right to disagree with it. But I believe a woman should have the right to have an abortion. I can't imagine being raped and having to be forced to keep it. Of course I would have one quickly before it becomes too late. But I fully support women who go through with it and they don't deserve to be bashed
fouroverseven so would you rather grow a child in a family where he's not wanted? Plus most of abortion are done because of economic issues, a child is expensive and i would rather not seeing him suffer because a family has no money to feed him or give him a decent life. However your body your choice,personally i wouldn't abort but i would never stop someone from aborting
giulia marzi No one would force a mother and father to raise a child they're not prepared to. If they feel they can't care for their child, they could simply give that child to someone who is able to care for them through adoption.
Adoption is not simple, at least a huge number of children are likely to be never adopted, and therefore when they turn 18 (or 21 depending on the country) and they have to leave orphanages they become homeless as they have no money to live
giulia marzi Well, I know alt least in the U.S. there are about 400,000 children in foster care, of which 100,000 eligible for adoption. These kids will spend anywhere between one and three years in the system before finding permanent adoptive parents or aging out of the program. And that being said, almost all newborns are adopted quickly. Really, there's no reason to abort your baby if you think he or she is going to be unwanted or homeless.
Just because you stand firm on your opinion does not mean you can't respect someone else's. I literally never give my opinion on this topic because people are always unnecessarily disrespectful towards each other about it.
supernes64 eaa same, and I lost a friend who supports abortion bc she wouldnt wanna be friends with someone who interferes with “women’s rights” like wtf
supernes64 eaa i don’t respect someone who doesn’t listen to anyone else because they’re so hard headed that they can’t even comprehend the bullshit leaving their own mouths
What makes me upset is no one ever takes the time to learn about anything anymore. They're just parroting bullshit they heard and don't actually know what their talking about. If you're gonna berate someone for their opinion, you should know what you're talking about first.
I think something that people forget about is that pro-choice does not = pro-abortion. pro-choice is the belief that it is the women's choice wether she wants to have an abortion or not. not that belief that abortions overpower life
+Harold I don't think I need to explain it your way. Rights is not a proper area for scientific investigation. Science is a source of facts regarding the natural world, but the question of rights is the domain of law. In regard to a woman seeking to terminate a pregnancy, there is the question of whether a fetus has a right to live or if a woman has the right to autonomy over her body. The Courts have decided, and the majority of people accept, that a woman has the right to bodily autonomy and a fetus has no right to life. That is pretty clear.
It's amazing to me how people say "You opened your legs, deal with the consequences". You really want children being brought into the world as consequences? You think it's safe for a baby to be possibly seen as a punishment? That's some fucked up logic.
RevucumberTechUSA Oh fuck off. I rather a fetus with no concept of it's own existence, to be terminated, than a live child to be brought into the world and abused/mistreated. Mind your own fucking business.
CampY | CS:GO eSports Adoption? Oh that's rich. You think adoption is just a walk in the park huh? Do you know how many children are sitting in the adoption system right now? The ones whose chances of getting adopted are lower because they are sick, minorities or just simply too old? How about you advocate for them instead of trying to tell women to go through with unwanted pregnancies.
A child should never be the consequence of, let alone a punishment for someone's mistake. A child should be born out of love, not out of necessity, not unwanted by accident and it should be born into a family who can afford to have a child in the first place, you should be able to afford the basic necessities - a family who is mature enough to care for the child and love it the way it deserves to be loved and cared for. Everything less than that.. no child deserves that - that's why I'm pro choice. Not only because it's the woman, the mother, who has to go through all the suffering, no, it could in the end also be the child who'll have a troublesome life as a consequence and feel like an unwanted burden to the family. The woman at the end said that she'd rather have that child given up for adoption - but so many children who were given away live under terrible conditions, many of them fall into the depths of drug addiction and prostitution. By then, they are alive, they live through all the pain and troubles, and they can barely fight them - and all that can be prevented.
Mina Fed The Unicorns ♥ I agree.. A friend of mine was conceived due to her mother being raped, and she has major psycological issues thanks to that information (she kept asking who her father was), she has been in and out of suicide-centers since she was 12.. And they had problems affording food and stuff since my friends mom only was 17 when she was raped and her family threw her out the day she turned 18 (6-7 months pregnant i think).. If her parents had just believed her about being raped and allowed her to go through with the abortion when she noticed that she was pregnant, like 4 weeks after the rape this wouldn't have happened.. >.
Frostlilja Jarlsten Oh god, that sounds terrible.. I really wish her the best of luck and that she'll be alright. I was also a .. surprise-child, let's put it that way. My mom was dating a guy for 1-2 years, but he was never ready for anything serious because he was still studying and unable to feed a family. My mom was also a professional ballet dancer - her pregnancy not only scared my biological father away, it also ruined her carreer and she had nothing else as a back up, i.e. she had to rely on the help of her mother, my grandma, until just a few years ago. She never made me feel like a burden, she loves me like mad, just like I love her, but sometimes I feel like her life would be a lot different and a lot better if I didn't come so unexpectad, but I was planned and maybe.. born a few years later. Obviously, that's not even close to your story, but even the smallest things sum up to a serious issue at some point.
Mina Fed The Unicorns ♥ Trust me when I say that if your mother had it to do over again, she'd still have you. I was in her shoes once, long long ago...and even though I only had 9 years with my oldest daughter before she died, and even though our life was very hard, I would still go back and have her all over again. Once we've met you, there's no undoing that love. It is forever. My life was turned completely upside down, but for her? I'd do it again!
I was raped at 14 by my older step brother. I became pregnant. My mom refused to let me have an abortion. I knew in my heart that I wasn’t ready. I mean, I was 14. I didn’t want to bring a baby into this world if she/he wasn’t going to have absolutely everything they needed. I also know what being adopted is like. I was placed with my adoptive parents at about 6-7 weeks. I know it’s not like this for every adoptee, but I always felt alone. My older siblings knew who they were related to. I grew to resent my adoptive parents because they didn’t have the answers I so desperately needed. But I also resented my biological parents for giving me up. I always felt abandoned because of that. I didn’t want my baby to feel like that. So, I moved in with my dad, and he let me make the choice of terminating my pregnancy. Some days I regret it, but the majority of the time I know I made the best decision for me and my baby. I now have an amazing husband and 4 wonderful children.
@@jademorgan4254 I am saying bravo to you for coming through the tragedy with your head on and seeking positive outcomes. The other commenter is pro-life, and is probably directing that venom at you because she noticed me supporting you. I make a lot of pro-choice posts, and sometimes I get stalkers.
@@bifurious7828 bruh it's a baby produced out of RAPE she was 14, how are you gonna call a 14 year old disgusting for getting rid of a baby they weren't ready to haveeeee
Chiclete Violeta Look, I'm not religious. You don't need religion to see abortion for the human-rights tragedy it is. "Clinging to a rhetoric about abortion in which there is no life and no death, we entangle our beliefs in a series of self-delusions, fibs and evasions. And we risk becoming precisely what our critics charge us with being: callous, selfish and casually destructive men and women who share a cheapened view of human life...we need to contextualize the fight to defend abortion rights within a moral framework that admits that the death of a fetus is a real death." -Naomi Wolf, feminist author
I feel like adoption is no longer a thing, like it’s either birth or abort, did a quick google and found that 51,000 children are put up for adoption each year in the us and 664,000 are aborted each year (legally) in the us.
People are selfish, woman like the idea of abortion because it gives them a false sense of empowerment and control. Killing a baby for your selfish reasons and not taking responsibility for your own actions shouldn't be acceptable.
To everyone saying that women should have to give birth to a child they don't want, just to save its life: I hope you are donating your blood, and have donated a kidney. If not, you're saying your life and health is more important than the lives of those who are dying because they aren't getting your organs/blood. And no, you don't have a choice whether or not you can do this, you MUST give up your body to save someone else's life. No exceptions, not even if going through with the operation would kill you, or cause permanent damage to your body. See, it doesn't sound so great when someone is trying to dictate what you do with your body. Pro-choice all the way.
ZombieSympathiser I don't have a stance on this topic but just to play the opposing opinion: your analogy doesn't count the fact that there is only one person who can save the life in a pregnancy and there are many people who can give blood or organs to save lives. Also there is the argument that can be made that is that the baby shares the body with the mother it's just that the mother has more control. Like how you can't just evict a roommate just because you don't like them. Again I take neither side I'm trying to get you to empathize with the other side a bit more. The topic is not an objectively understood one and it shouldn't be treated like it is.
Nubro Zaref Good arguments :) But, altough there are many people who can help giving organs and blood, its still one on one. One organ saves one life. One decision. You can decide to save a life, or not, just like with the child. Even a mass of blood doners starts with one single individual. I think that people who call themselves "pro-life" should value and care about life even outside of all the abortion-talk. "NO, no, you HAVE TO carry that child, even if its just a blop of cells. Life is precious ... EEHHW, there's a spider! KILL IT!" otherwise they're simply not "pro-life" they're ... "pro-birth" ?
Pain. That hurt. I’ve had one . Was the most awful decision I ever had to make....I wouldn’t wish that situation on my worst enemy.Some nights I regret it some nights I don’t . But I will always hold hurt and love for that baby .
I understand. I've had similar feelings. I made that choice because I thought about the welfare of the child before my own. If there was any possible way that my child would have had a decent life, from where I was, what my situation was, I believe it was the right choice. I don't wish for my children to suffer and having the abortion was my attempt to prevent my child's suffering. We don't know if a fetus in the first trimester feels anything, but I know that a new born child feels something and if I can't provide my child food what is the point. Also remember most pregnancies happen because their birth control failed.
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Just imagine if the mother had been raped. Do you not think that the individual should have the CHOICE to abort their pregnancy if the baby will be a constant reminder of the awful experience that they had to go through.
***** Not so sure that that'll be the mindset that they will have after finding out that the person who raped them has put a part of them self inside of her in the form of a baby. However, I do concur that some women probably will feel empowered by the experience and be able to use the baby as a reminder of how strong she was to get through such an experience.
***** When you are pregnant, Andrew, you can make the choice for yourself, just as every other pregnant person can choose for themselves. That's the law.
***** Legally, that is not how it works. You're implying that someone else should have a say over someone else's body, and that's not how the law works. Each person living has a right to bodily autonomy. Your body, your choices for that body. No one else has a say. That's not just with pregnancy, either, that's in all matters. Women are equal to men. We are able to choose for our bodies, just as men can choose for theirs in all matters. As a married woman, I would choose to talk to my husband about any surgery I was having, and we've had those conversations because I've had several operations since we got older. I value his opinion so much that I gave him the legal right to make medical decisions for me in the event that I am incapacitated and cannot make them for myself. I trust him enough to make the choices he knows I would want and vice versa - we both have living wills and medical power of attorney. However, he cannot choose for me if I am able to speak for myself, just as I cannot choose for him if he can speak for himself. We're way past having children now, but when we were young and still having them, while I always valued his opinions, legally, my choices while pregnant were mine alone, as it must be for all people.
I was fortunate enough to be a mother to seven children in my life, and then, there were two occasions, separated by many years, where I was forced to make the difficult decision not to continue a pregnancy. The circumstances were very different, both were heart-breaking to me, but I know I make the right choice...not just for me, but for the children I already had. If I had it all to do over again, now that I am nearer the end of my life than the beginning, I would still make those same choices in those situations. I don't really care if it "makes you sick" as it wasn't your decision. It was mine. I'm not ashamed in the least, as I know I did the right thing both times under those circumstances. Each pregnancy is different, and each time you are pregnant, you have to deal with the reality of what IS happening, and not what you WISH was happening. My husband and I have had lots of decisions to face in this life that were as hard as, if not worse, than those terminations. We buried our oldest daughter when she was 9. That was much worse. We had to choose to take my twin sister off life support. That was much, much worse. Real life isn't fair. It's often full of situations which are painful, but which you have to face and deal with. Sometimes, the choices in front of you are all painful, and nearly impossible. You'll learn this by the time you are my age if you are lucky enough to get old.
I got forced to be pregnant by my ex whom abused me everyday. I made the decision to make an abortion. I could never have lived with the fact that every time I saw my kid I would have thought about how he treated me. I could never have taken good care of a child because of my PTSD and other psychological problems I have. If someone where to say I did the wrong thing, then fuck them. I did the right thing.
Right Republican adoption is such a long process. Giving a child up for adoption isn't even a good choice because most children in foster care don't even get adopted. Adoption is such a long expensive process. It's not just black or white.
fouroverseven abortion is a necessary medical procedure. And, I don't think the lives of pregnant people should be forfeit the moment a fetus enters into the picture. All babies should be wanted and all people should be able to chose when they are ready to start a family.
missatralissa Abortion is rarely if ever "necessary." And referring to it simply as a medical procedure is an attempt at masking the ugly reality that abortion is the deliberate destruction of a human being. No one is saying that a fetus' life somehow trumps his mother's. We're saying his or her right to life is as inherent as their mother's. "All babies should be wanted..." There are lots of people who are not "wanted" in this world, that doesn't give you the right to kill them.
fouroverseven I know for a fact that abortion is necessary. I wouldn't be where I am today if I had not had access to a safe and legal abortion. And I'm sorry, but the four week old embryo did not same the same rights to life as myself. I made a hard choice, and I have no regrets about it. I'm alive and well, and should I decide to have children in the future they will be wanted and planed for.
missatralissa Was your pregnancy life-threatening? Why wouldn't you be here if you hadn't access to abortion? Look, I wouldn't even call an abortion to save the life of the mother an abortion. I'm sure every effort is made to save the life of her unborn child. Life-saving abortions account for fewer than one percent of nearly one million abortions performed in the U.S. annually. Most women who have abortions simply don't want their child.
It seems that as people get older they have a more nuanced view on abortion. The younger crowd tends to be more anti-abortion and absolutist in their thinking. It's pretty counter-intuitive.
Glitched Link Well, you're right about one thing, the pro-life side is becoming increasingly young. Is it counterintuitive? Not even sure what you mean by that.
fouroverseven Usually younger people are more liberal, less traditional, and less absolutist than older people. This video and my experience in general seems to support the opposite, although most Americans are pro-choice.
Glitched Link The reason that today's young people don't all have their eyes open the way my generation did is because they have never lived in a time when women that they loved were dying from illegal abortions. They've never had to face the terror of (themselves or a friend/family member/ or loved one) meeting a stranger in some dirty building who may leave them butchered and bleeding to death on a table somewhere, with no way to call for help (we didn't have cell phones back then). If they had to live as women once did, back when we had no rights and no say over our own bodies, then they would understand how we came to stand before the Supreme Court in the early 70's, demanding the right to bodily autonomy and access safe, legal abortion....because making it illegal doesn't stop it, it just makes it dangerous.
Glitched Link It's not my imagination that the pro-life side is becoming increasingly younger: www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/08/why-isnt-millennial-support-for-abortion-rights-increasing/244442/ www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/america%E2%80%99s-youth-more-pro-life-ever
Glitched Link That's exactly what I was thinking. And I mean, I'm a teen, I think the choice to have abortions should be considered a right and many of my friends feel the same way. I find it strange.
I'm pro-choice. If a woman was in a situation where she couldn't support the child or she was sexually assaulted and got pregnant, she should decide for herself whether or not she will have the baby. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this is mine.
Pregnancy is not easy. End the suffering for the woman ASAP through allowing her a choice of an abortion. Don't make her go through a body-altering, mental-health threatening, physically stressful experience that is pregnancy just to please pro-lifers. Most of the pro-lifers who say "put them up for adoption" are no where to be seen when the child needs to be adopted. Most just stay in care whilst couples would rather go through IVF before adoption. (Nothing wrong with IVF either)
Not simple. Adoption, and then what? They go into the system? A family adopts them but they spend their whole life wondering why their parents never kept them. People who are Pro-Life preach about adoption and giving the child a chance at life, but what kind of life is it it to be in the world alone? Abandoning a child at birth is the same thing as getting it aborted.
When the girl said "Pro-choice people only think of the Mom & don't think about the life that's inside of them." ...... I'm pro-choice because I care about a child not growing up with a shitty life. A child should not be subjected to that. Pro-lifers don't care about the child once it's born, even if it means that they have to be subjected to growing up in the shitty conditions of foster care, or in a poor household, or a broken home, etc. Abortion is NOT murder and it is necessary in certain situations.
The doctors wanted my mom to abort me because they said there was a 99% chance I would be physically or mentally disabled. In the end, she chose not to. And, well, here I am! I'm grateful I'm completely healthy, but I'm mostly grateful I'm alive.
I'm pro-choice and I believe you cannot justify a decision based on details you learned after making said decision. Your case is a perfect example. While I'm sure you're glad to be alive, your mother could not have guaranteed the future you have now. She took a gamble and luckily one the prize. I just hope people understand that if everybody faced a 99% mortality rate, there wouldn't be so many of them to tell the story,
It's kinda weird to me that it's typically the older women saying choice and the younger women saying no. Typically it's the other way around with progressive ideas. My only guess is the oldest women were born within like 10 years of Roe v. Wade and maybe that had a great impact on them.
Pro-life people been HAVING more children and raising them in those beliefs. I lived in 5 different major cities and I see the change in opinions happening in young people. Choice choice choice is getting to be a nagging old ladies scene.
Of course! You can think whatever you want - so far... I don't know you or your background or where you live. I hope you have the freedom to think AND express your opinion openly. Having said that, not everybody does have that freedom. Speech is not free when it endangers that person and their family. Think North Korea in 2017...or Nazi Germany in 1940...or China in 1989.
Just because you personally wouldn't do it yourself doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to There's no reason you should be forced to put your body through pregnancy and birth when you dont want it Its an extremely hard decision that takes a lot of thought to make Even though some of your babies are absolute gifts other women just KNOW they do not want a baby Saying oh just give it up after birth isn't right because you still put your body through all of it and keep the scars And there's already so many children sitting without homes I wouldn't abort my baby because I all I want is to be a mother but others are not meant to be mothers they could be a carrier for a disease or something it shouldn't be judged unless they wait a stupid amount of time to decide to go through with it It honestly is your decision as its mother and as the owner of your body most babies that are aborted dont even resemble a human we always forget that.. One mistake shouldn't ruin your whole life and yes babies can ruin lives even though they are precious they can. Fetuses that dont even resemble newborns are not the same as the babies you give birth to :/
parkerblackwood Not trying to sound aggressive or anything, but what if someone were to become pregnant as a result of rape? They didn't choose to have sex, it was forced on them...
I just wanna say, as a child of a mother who wasn’t ready for children. I wish my mother waited. Because she didn’t wait, I know what’s it’s like to have to sleep to escape hunger pains. I have big dreams of college but my mother knows nothing of school nor do we have the money so it really seems like my life was always doomed to have a dead end. Idk it seems like if she could have waited and had me later or something, like when she actually had the means to support me things would be better. My point is, Maybe sometimes it’s for the best?
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My sister is like that. She’s gotten pregnant twice and she says she’ll just keep getting abortions if it keeps happening. My mother got 13 abortions her whole life and now at age 50 regrets every single one and being in that position in the first place. A lot of women use abortions as a birth control and some women don’t even care about the life growing inside them so abortions are no big deal as long as they get their life and body back. So many people try to make abortions a “sad for the women” thing. “Oh but it’s so hard on women” no lmao. On a few women it’s hard but 100% they’re thinking about themselves and wouldn’t have it any other way
I hope one day those younger teenagers will realize that sometimes abortion is the best option for some people. A painful option, yes, but sometimes necessary. People need to stop prioritizing an unconscious, unborn, insentient fetus over a living human being. You can be on birth control, condoms, use plan b and still get pregnant. It's not always because of carelessness, because those things don't work 100%. Someone may also have their life in danger because of a pregnancy or may be unfit to care for a child (money, physical health, mental health, etc). Abortion should always be a choice and pro-lifers are ignorant to some of the situations people go through. No one's making you get an abortion. No one looks forward to getting an abortion. Pro-choice is the only logical answer.
Abortion is murder. Murderers will go to hell unless they repent and turn to Jesus. Many people don't want there to be God so they can do whatever they want. There is good and evil in the world. Without a God there is no good and evil. Only through Jesus do we have forgiveness of sins that gives us access to eternal life. All one has to do is ask God for forgiveness and that will start a new life. Read the Bible for yourself. Most churches don't teach what the Bible says.
@@yzabellerosales8075 sadly yeah. My communion teacher is pro life, ans while some kids ignore her and call her crazy, she has stong points ans reasons. Hopefully we all take this is a peaceful way.
yzabelle rosales but I ask you: if a child is born to a life with parents who didn’t want them in a system that won’t help them, is that really a life to live?
I'm pro choice because there's so MANY god awful parents and people who should never be parents. There's also children already in this world suffering and I feel like bringing more people into the world is just something people feel is morally right but isn't practical. "They missed out on life." You have no idea what kind of life that little one would have even had. Growing up in a house it wasn't even wanted or supported or bouncing around foster homes? Its so sad a lot of people say but its so sad when a child is brought up in shitty conditions.
Amanda Hanahan A lot of people had a ruff childhood and unloving parents. Even I was disowned and kicked out of my parent's house. But I'm sure majority of people who grew up in a bad situation are still happy to be alive.
Love Is INFINITE i would consider myself pro-choice but this is a horrible argument to defend abortion. It puts a bad label on women that we have to abort our child to avoid abusing it.
I'm reading allot of comments saying "I am pro choice because if you have been sexually abused or if you cannot take care of the child you should be able to get an abortion". Why shouldnt ANY reason be a legitimate reason to get an abortion? Nobody gets an abortion because it is fun. Whether that is because they have been sexually abused, they will not be able to support the child, they are too busy with their careers etc. Who are we to judge their reasons for an abortion? And to every one who is plain against abortion: NOBODY is saying you should get one, nobody is forcing you to abort your future child so don't limit another person's choices and HUMAN RIGHTS either.
Life begins at conception, that's a scientific fact. Personhood may arise later, probably when it starts functioning as a multicellular organism; this is when the first heartbeat happens at day 22. How dare you say that it is a human right to end the pace of a human heart? Abortion, specially after personhood, is a barbaric crime.
@sunflower daydreams Yes, it really is. From the twenty-second day of pregnancy it's impossible to say that it's not human, so you're are killing a human being, that's the definition of murder, and you're murdering a baby. So, yes, it's a barbaric crime.
Pananima if that's what job believe, then wouldn't you rather a baby die peacefully without any knowing of life, or let it live in a potentially unsafe or abusive environment? let it live and grow up wishing it were dead? because most women forced to give birth are not happy, they may potentially abuse the child, they won't love it.
@lia - So you have identified yourself as "pro-murder"...what other SS Nazi beliefs do you hold? I suppose it is your duty to kill paraplegics and people in comas...as a start...or are there special dispensations for those non-functioning living beings? Where is your logic? Using your ill-informed idea is a sign of ignorance and blindness. Zygotes are alive and any biologist can inform you that their function is to grow and divide cells and grow, etc. in order to pass on their genes in the future. What makes any of us special or different? Biologists would tell you that your primary function is to pass on your genes as well. Anything else is a pleasant fiction created by our collective subjective reality. For example, organizations, jobs, money, and societies are human inventions - ideas accepted in order to create a "stable social order." They are unknown to humans until they are cultured through propaganda and/or punishment. Educate yourself as to what is real and what is your non-genetic programming. Then you have a chance at living a humane life...well, if your brain still can learn and think freely.
There are some extremely hypocritical people out there. I'd prefer people to come up with non-hypocritical responses based on scientific reality, not on pleasant fictions and convenience. If you don't understand my comments, that's society's loss. "Other people's business", or a "Why do YOU care so much?" (as if that was stated in my comments and I'm being nosey!) do not hold water as logical reasons to support arbitrary murder. Isn't that what you are attempting? Biologists. Talk to some about when life starts (fusion of gametes leads to a living zygote). That is empirical evidence, independent of a human belief system. People who redefine what the word murder includes have to have good reasons. Or not, according to the individual. Bring on the Hunger Games...or death camps. You used the word "baby"...so you imply it is OK to kill a baby. That just highlights the whole issue. Inert proteins, gametes, zygote, fetus, baby, where is the line? There is a clear line between alive and not alive. Unless you believe the plethora of myths created by other humans and not by nature. Why do you care enough to post a comment? What business is of yours to interrogate me? See! We can easily end a conversation via a subjective belief in "human rights" (in this case privacy and ownership), the argument that ironically deprives human rights from one group and privileges another. Fact 1: "Human rights" were invented by humans, not nature. They are fictional, but a lot of people choose to act as if they exist. Fact 2: The creation of life exists independently from what happens in peoples' emotion, or thoughts. Fact 3: Humans have defined killing a living human as murder, itself defined as illegal. Fact 4: Laws are made only by humans. Finally, fact 5: Humans live by laws so that societies can exist and large numbers of humans can live in a cooperative and safe manner. Ask yourself how and why do humans believe in any human-made fictions that guide their lives. It only seems to have led to the species' autodestruction. The agricultural revolution and all that followed is simultaneously splendid and horrid for the whole planet.
That's would be ideal for all criminals to use in there line of crime... "Sir did you rob that bank?" .... " none of your business. Nobody has the right to tell me what to do with my finances... My CHOICE"... Baby murderers living amongst us...wonder what else these women are capable of doing and justifying based on there own personal convenience?
it isn't about the unborn life, it's about the one that is already on earth. but, at the end of the day my opinion doesn't matter because it's a choice. that only the woman carrying the baby gets to make.
Oonagh O' Malley the whole point of the human race is to keep it going just as any other species so you are in fact wrong. the child is supposed to live, not the mother.
Unless it’s after 6 weeks because the baby can feel the physical pain of the abortion so if you choose it the baby should at least go without feeling the pain
Major props to all the women who recognize that it's a choice and a right. To the 15 and 16 year old I hope you guys learn that it is a woman's right and choice.
Ainsley Jey not true. Being pro-life has nothing to do with being close-minded nor does it mean they aren't "seeing the light". Are u kidding me? And yes, I'm pro-life and a young adult woman.
Sema Polat In my experience, the majority of pro-life people I've come across are closed-minded and have little to no knowledge of what it means to be pro-choice. For example, I attend a catholic school where all people where pro-choice people are made out to be killers and people who want to kill all babies as a form of birth control. These young women even think that abortions can ultimately cause infertility
AlyssaFrancesFuerte Indeed, we want to be open minded. But you should also be: you should also have an open mind about people who are pro-life or pro-choice. We shouldn't assume people are stupid or ignorant just because of one belief they have, because we can all have such different perspectives and backgrounds. I'm sure if you thought long and hard about this issue you wouldn't want a pro-life person saying that pro-choice people don't understand life or something silly like that.
You're correct, but I didn't say that everyone who is pro-life is closed minded and ignorant. I plainly stated that those were the types of pro-life people I've come across. I have met open-minded pro-life people.
Cool. But I didn't say that you weren't being open minded, just that you should be :) I felt it was important to remind all of us about the importance of being open minded, whether you were being open minded or not, and surely you can't fault me for that :)
Why? She was simply referring to the women you do not make it a priority to use birth control of any kind and then want to have multiple abortions because they didn't protect themselves from that possibility in the first place. She wasn't being rude about it, every sexually active person, male or female, has to be mature enough to handle the responsibility of protecting themselves from possible std's or unwanted pregnancies.
Michaela Dawkins It's not about that. Abortion is not a choice only to people who has sex with consent but also for people who have been raped. That is why it makes people mad, since she speaks about it like it's someones choice to for example get raped.
LjungEmma She was CLEARLY referring to people who have unprotected sex. Don't put words in her mouth acting like she's advocating rape. That's disgusting.
I don’t believe it’s “killing a life”. Every time you have sex without the motive of getting pregnant I could say that you are preventing so many life’s but that’s just not fair.
I don't believe it's "killing a life" because if abortion was 'murder', would masturbation be genocide? Millions of sperm cells die whenever a man masturbates, so by that logic masturbation should be considered murder as well. But of course it's not because men are seen as people and women are not. The whole 'abortion is murder' argument is the result of sexist and misogynist religious practices that basically treat women like objects and not people, and see them as nothing more than baby machines.
@@1eyeddancer974 Yeah, that video just confirms my argument of how religion sees women as nothing more than baby machines and how society holds double standards for men and women. 🙄 Pregnancy is not a punishment for sex, get over yourself! Lots of women get pregnant whilst using birth control and lots of men stealth during sex and get women pregnant. A lot of rapists impregnate women against their will. So I say this again, *PREGNANCY IS NOT A PUNISHMENT FOR SEX!*
no disrespect but the egg cells are always within the woman’s body, so theres always a chance. using ur logic im assuming anytime we get our period is equal with prevention right? by not having sex ure basically saying that ‘we couldve been pregnant and create lifes if we had sex, but we didnt so we were preventing it’. sex is not always about having a damn baby
one thing i feel is not spoken for often about abortion is the pain the mother goes through. people are so quick to judge women who have had or are having an abortion -- saying they are murderers, and careless, horrible people. but do you know what women go through having abortions? there is so much emotional and physical pain involved. it isn't easy from the start and other peoples' negative and hurtful opinions don't make abortion any bearable for a woman who has had or is having an abortion. and not to mention -- if a woman does have an abortion, it isn't any of your business anyway.
pain the mother goes through i have to laugh at this cos its seemingly only a bunch of cells who cares?If she shows emotion or feels its a tough decision then she knows she is doing wrong.and killing her child.
Abortion is murder. Murderers will go to hell unless they repent and turn to Jesus. Many people don't want there to be God so they can do whatever they want. There is good and evil in the world. Without a God there is no good and evil. Only through Jesus do we have forgiveness of sins that gives us access to eternal life. All one has to do is ask God for forgiveness and that will start a new life. Read the Bible for yourself. Most churches don't teach what the Bible says.
Abortion is a right and it's not something that should be handled lightly but if any women was to have one I'd be her choice and it should be respected
N1nj4 Joski so one choice is gonna send you to hell, well in that case I'm gonna be stuck in hell when I die for all the shit I've done but hey it's whatever
These young girls at the being of this video need to be open minded. Just because they probably haven't gone through the situation they need to be okay, because they are basically saying that they dont care if that women has that right or not cause it doesn't effect them. But it might later on and you always want a choice.
Most pro-life people think that the woman doesn’t think about the child when she aborts a fetus. But just try and imagine what she’s feeling, why she’s feeling it. Her mind and heart are divided. Abortion is not an easy choice. It takes many sleepless nights and days to make. Psychologically, it’s the mother who suffers the most. And if abortion laws are enforced, you do realize that the kid might be born into an environment where she or he gets the feeling that they’re born out of accident and not wanted. It’s something a child should never face. It’s in the best interest of the child and the mother to give the decision to the mother when she’s pregnant. In this way, neither of them will suffer and hopefully, the child will be reborn into a place where he or she is wanted. NOTE: If an abortion law does come into effect, then what guarantee is there that people will stop doing it? (They could travel to other countries and have an abortion and come back pretending they’ve never been pregnant or say that they had an accident.) So it’s best to do it legally and safely in the country they live in
“It’s in the best interest of the child and the mother” No it’s not. It’s only in the best interest of the mother. You wish that people living in poor and unfavorable environments would be better off dead. What makes you think their life is less valuable, and more importantly, why should you get to decide?
Mrudul Actually pro-life people only think of the kid. Pro-choice people think of it both ways. The giving birth is emotionally, psychologically and physically taxing to the mother. The adoption and life part is hard on the baby. Not everyone’s lives are all rosy. Especially of adopted children. Several hundred thousands on children are put up at abusive and neglectful homes while others are still waiting to be adopted. It’s the minority of them who actually get a good life.
"Several hundred thousands on children are put up at abusive and neglectful homes" Who is to blame? Pro-life people? Or irresponsible people making babies when they can barely get by. I get it, it's emotionally painful and what not, especially when you don't have the resources to raise a child. But it's really disingenuous to argue that you care about babies and child abuse and then suggest they'd be better off dead in the same sentence. How about holding people accountable for the "mess" they create for themselves? No matter how much you spin around the subject, making babies is a CHOICE, and so is killing. Abortion should never be a right exactly because it takes away the right of innocent beings for convenience and satisfaction of those who are 100% responsible in most cases.
Mrudul “Making babies is a CHOICE” Not all contraceptives are 100% safe. Some even badly unbalance hormone systems. And what if it’s a rape child? Would you say that it’s a choice? I agree that if you were irresponsible and had casual sex and didn’t think of using contraceptives, then it’s the fault of the parents, no denying that. But the thing is rape babies and babies born out of abuse. A woman can’t be forced to carry her rapist’s baby. In those kind of situations I’d want a choice for them. And recently my neighbor had to have an abortion because she had been diagnosed with AIDS. She cried a lot. She wanted to have her baby. But there were high chances of both dying. It was an extremely difficult decision that she had to make. At the end of the day, everyone has a different opinion and this is a proof of that. I respect your opinion on this matter and I accept it. I understand why you chose to think what you think and accept some of your points. But you need to understand other’s perspectives at the same time and accept their opinion even if you don’t like it.
Mrudul thank u pro life sir. There are 3 million families ready to adopt I want to just go for straight abortion only if it was the baby was going to die or the man was going to suffer.
I am very strongly pro-choice. I think that the choice of killing the person inside of you is terrifying and confusing and scary and one that would never be taken lightly. There are so many reasons a woman would choose to have an abortion and it shouldn't be up to the government and the people who know nothing of your situation to decide that for you. I once read a buzzed post of stories from women who had abortions and some of them were pro-life until they were put in a situation where an abortion was necessary. If I can find the article I'll link it below.
If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. Simple as that. You don't see me trying to take your rights away to not have one. Just consider yourself, if you are pro-life, lucky that you can have child if you want and aren't forced to get an abortion just because you didn't meet a certain standard of parenting. Wouldn't it be horrible if you were forced to get an abortion? Yup, just the same the other way around.
The left which loves abortion is also for restricting the 2nd amendment year after year. So you are wrong the left has been trying to change the Bill of Rights while at the same time defending the murder of children. They will then convince themselves that they are "the good educated people" (yea with liberal arts degrees).
james commie how does the 2nd amendment correspond with abortion. you never know what a women is going through for her to get an abortion and it is no ones business
james commie Art degree? As a democrat, I'm getting my undergraduate degree in biochemistry because I'm going into med school next year, where I will become an OB/GYN. I will be taking into account women's health and their reproductive issues. I'll be facing women who can barely support themselves, and others who have been trying to have children for years. I don't know why your ignorant ass had to bring politics into this situation. Abortion isn't a matter of politics, it's a matter of understanding. If you love your precious guns so much, how about we make getting a gun like getting an abortion. Make the buyer drive alone, four hours to some town in the middle of nowhere, make there be a 48 hour waiting period, and when you enter into the gun shop, let there be dozens of people intimidatingly standing there with signs of their family members who were killed on accident or on purpose with a gun. As a man, you have no place to tell WOMEN what they can do with their bodies. You are incredibly ignorant and sheltered to what women go through already, and now you want to take even more from us?
***** Exactly, if you don't want and abortion don't have one, but don't tell others that they can or cannot have one. Of course, slavery is a totally different circumstance that was happening over 150 years ago, and the rights that they had were very much limited and quite different to the modern rights of women' bodies that I was referring to.
My mom got pregnant when she was 19 some people told her to abort me but she didnt, she did not make the easy choice,im proud her she is a brave woman not like some people who are cowards
Imma Alpaca that would actually be really interesting to watch. No one ever asks for a man’s opinion about abortion because they don’t think this matter affects them. But of course they have an opinion, they must have an understanding of it-so why not?
If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. I've never understood the knowledge and reasoning behind wanting to make abortions illegal. Don't have an abortion if it goes against your personal views (which are fine!), and don't force your views on others. If someone has an abortion 100km away from you, it has no effect on you whatsoever.
+Marauder131 Yeah, and if Genocide happens 100km away from you, it has no effect on you either. Let's all just not give a fuck about anything and just live our cozy little lives.
Noah Roller yes because everyone else is a zygote potentially ruining lives. if you really want to make abortion illegal and paint it as the truest act of evil. than I hope you're willing to put in the money to pay for it. pregancy costs thousands upon thousands of dollars. poor women, young women, old women, alone women are always being told "just have the baby you murderer" when having a baby can literally damage the rest of that persons life. with unwanted pregancy comes bills. for the prenatal care, the doctor visits, the hospital stay, the surgery, the painkillers. not to mention the after costs. like perscription medication and therepy for the woman who knew they had a genetic chance of postpartum depression and was still forced to have a baby. what about the one that was forced to carry depite the high chance of mortality? who paying for their funeral? their babies funeral? or what of the job that person lost because they couldnt wok pregnant. whos gonna pay the electric bills? not the government. not you. who? what about the person who just lost their house? whos gonna pay for their baby? just give it up for adoption? yeah whos gonna pay for everything before then? it's a choice because not everyone is mentally, physically, or financially able to be pregnant. abortion is not this world of 16 year old girls on their 15th abortion saying "lmao stacy i love unsafe sex i just want another abotion lololol." do you really not trust women to the point where you have to dictate how capable they are making the healthiest choice for themselves? do you really think women are all so stupid that they think abortions are candy that they can just get? do you really think women cant be trusted with their own lives? abortion is necessary at times. and its not up to you or me to look anyone in the eye and tell what they should do. believe it or not. not all women are dingbats incapable of logical reasoning. they can make their choices without the outide stigmas.
i'm prochoice, for the baby and the mom, imagine not being able to support that child, it all comes down to the baby or soon to be fetus, and prochoice means what's best for the baby, and the baby needs decent living coniditions
its scary that one baby changes your life forever and you only get one chance at life. Also your life is put on hold for 18 years or so and then in no time the chance to do what you want would be limited
I have been struggling between Pro Life and Pro Choice and I have finally decided that even though I do not like abortion, I think it should stay legal because it's none of my business and I see many reasons why women would choose to. Some were raped, might have health problems because of the fetus, and so forth. I do not know the full story so who am I to judge? I'm sure it's a tough decision for women to make. I will say ask this. Why is it that usually people who want to make abortion illegal are the same ones who think the government should not provide them any assistance? To me calling yourself a Pro Life but hate giving support is a huge contradiction.
I will say that we need to forget about this abstinence only and start teaching safe sex. I mean if they want to teach people how to abstain then fine but include safe sex in it because if people learn how to use condoms, birth controls, and other safety options, this would reduce number of pregnancies. This also means number of abortions would drop. This is also one of the reason you should stand with Planned Parenthood whether you are Pro Life or Pro Choice!
And how many of you honestly have sex for the sole purpose of having a child? I mean as in you will never ever have sex unless it's to have a child! This is why we should encourage safe sex! Abstinence only is a load of bs because it's a huge failure!
+TheHRchannel there are extreme cases of course. don't step over to that side and have that support on your conscience...it's not solely a woman's right just because she carries the child and goes through the pain of it. the choice stops at having sex. there's always a probability of becoming preg. and everyone knows thatit's a matter of faith in God. are we held responsible for going against God (extreme cases excluded) just because we don't believe He exits. the lines are truly being drawn more clear as we try to politicize and compromise the issue. it's a matter of faith in God.
+9432515 I think that if men were able to get pregnant, they'd see it from a whole different perspective. This whole "keep your leg closed" argument doesn't work. Just about EVERYONE has sex for the reason they want to feel pleasure. That's why we have birth control, condoms, and so on. However, if I've learned anything, it's that prohibiting something only makes matter worst. Women will have them anyways but they might do it through unsafe procedures. I don't agree with abortion on a personal level but I think that it's still a woman's choice to make. Maybe if more boys would man up and take care of their kid when they get their girlfriend pregnant then less abortion would happen! These mothers do not want their kids to live a terrible life!
TheHRchannel " I think that if men were able to get pregnant, they'd see it from a whole different perspective" probably, I do agree, but that's beside the point. if it's a baby in there why does it matter who suffers the most carrying him/her? it doesn't. that is a perspective literally one-sided and completely selfish, obviously. just because the woman holds the reigns doesn't give her the rights to another life she had part in creating. "This whole "keep your leg closed" argument doesn't work. " I don't thinks it's about that at all...it's about fessing up to being an adult. Have all the sex you want, but understand there is a definite risk you may get preg. no one has to tie things up... "...if I've learned anything,it's that prohibiting something only makes matter worst. Women will have them anyways but they might do it through unsafe procedures. " it's not like buying cigarettes under aged...this is terminating a human being. if this causes individuals to seek out alternate means...what are those numbers? they aren't high. they wont use coat hangers...that's ridiculous. maybe some will go out of the country or have then in underground...the procedures mostly pill form. it is still going to save lives. "Maybe if more boys would man up and take care of their kid when they get their girlfriend pregnant then less abortion would happen! These mothers do not want their kids to live a terrible life!" yes...I do agree. there are many, many single mom's that make it though. there is tons of help for people in that situation too. this is the USA...it sucks to raise a child alone, I know, but that's not any good reason and def. no right to kill a child. "These mothers do not want their kids to live a terrible life!"" extremely lame excuse, but people given that idea that 'they have an authority with their own bodies' take and will actually use this excuse. we have it soo good here in the states. people in other nations would kill to be here.
Marcia Osullivan SAME! But many other reasons including the fact that science factually proves it’s a life and respecting the fundamental right of existence!
@@NoahSRussell It's not a proper human being until its separate from the body. My body my choice. Life sucks, but there is pleasure. The state of non-existence or being naive enough (fetus), and letting it die (which isn't the same as killing), is much better than realizing there is even a slight chance of going to hell (any religion), and spending a lot of life worrying. The only life that should be born is one with no pain at all.
@Himanshu Pant Yes I do believe that now that a foetus is a person. I however am still pro-choice. No one has the right to give you pain for 9 months, rip you open, and potentially harm you for the rest of your life. Just because you had consent to sex doesn't mean you consent to pregnancy is like saying just because you're friends with someone you have to donate an organ.
I think the trouble lies with people wanting a solid, singular truth. Either pro-choice or pro-life. I think instead the focus should lie on circumstance, as it's pretty obvious both sides have reason. :)
Kristen Couch why is it sad or unfortunate? Isn’t it just a fetus and part of the mother’s body? If that’s true it’s not sad or unfortunate at all. It’s no different than removing an appendix.
black cat black cat Jesus your in every comment section. YOU CAN NOT TELL OTHER WOMEN WHAT THEY AND CANT DO WITH THEIR BODIES, PERIOD. you’re entitled to your own opinion and that’s fine but stop trying to control women! You’re choosing something that doesn’t even know it’s alive over the actual living breathing being. You can feel whatever you want about abortion but it’s people like you that are making abortions illegal. Wanna know what happens when abortions become illegal? The abortions don’t stop, the SAFE abortions stop. Meaning not just the fetus but there’s a huge change the woman will also die. Making abortion Illegal is WRONG!
black cat black cat My point is that it still happens. There are cases when abortions should be legal in my honest opinion because events like that should not happen. Do you honestly expect someone who was forcefully impregnated to have to go through a pregnancy? In my personal experience I would not. I don’t think all abortion should be legal, but in some circumstances it should be.
black cat black cat If women will go to such lengths to get an abortion, risking their own life in places where it isn’t legal do you really think the fetus has more rights than her? Who’s going to take care of this child when it’s born? Not you I assume. The foster system will. Do you know what happens to foster kids? They’re abused, raped, etc. That abuse and rape will cause more abortions! You aren’t helping anyone by trying to save a fetus, in fact you’re probably setting this future child up for misery.
@Pls WaLuigi Dom Me No, abortion is immoral, it is as immoral as murder, and it shouldn't be practiced. However, in very specific and very unusual cases, abortion is the preferred medical procedure. These are: maternal life/health, fetal defects and maybe rape.
@Presley S. He's probably saying that because he's Christian and he doesn't approve contraceptives like condoms, which is ridiculous, but you cannot justify abortion because "it takes two to tango", you have to practice safe sex always no matter what, if you like to tango without protection then stick to the consequences, whether it is an STD or pregnancy.
He said if you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex. Meaning women shouldn't have sex considering they're the only ones getting pregnant. So, in saying that it takes two to tango and men shouldn't have sex either under that logic. I'm asking if he too doesn't have sex.
Abortion is a choice and a right. For a lack of a better word, it is a necessary evil. It's a difficult decision to make and is never taken lightly. It's an emotional roller coaster filled with shoulda coulda wouldas. At the end of the day, only you can make that choice for yourself. No one else is living your life and no one else will be helping you pay your bills.
Blair Mulzac Mabye it's an emotional roller coaster because deep down you understand abortion is nothing more than the killing of an innocent human being.
fouroverseven Anyone with a conscience would be up in knots about making a choice such as that. It's a choice. It's knowing that you had sex, unintentionally got pregnant and now you know damn well that you are not capable if caring for a child. Choosing abortion is the lesser of 2 evils. Unless you are willing to support every unplanned baby you can not lay claim to someone else's uterus. My body, my choice.
Blair Mulzac No one would force a mother or father to raise a child they're not prepared to. They could simply give that child to someone who is able through adoption. I don't know how you could ever call killing an innocent human being a "lesser evil." There are plenty of people out there willing to adopt supposedly "unwanted" newborns, so there's no reason to abortion for that reason. "My body, my choice." What about the unborn's right to their body, specifically the right not to be dismembered?
fouroverseven Adoption is easy to say and much harder to do. If so many people were able to adopt children within this country, why do they go to other continents to adopt? There are so many children that are in the foster care system that are being shuffled from place to place and never find a home and the trauma that they go through while being stuck in the system.Not once did you say that you were willing to support someone else's unplanned baby.
"If people weren't so careless with their sexuality they wouldn't need so many them" First of all, sexuality is what gender(s) you are attracted to... Second of all, yeah how about we make birth control more available and sex-ed have more requirements
Actually the woman’s use of the word is correct. And to quote planned parenthood’s website, “condoms are usually inexpensive and can even be free. They’re often available at planned parenthood, family planning clinics, your local health department, community health centers, college health centers, or your doctor’s office.” I 100% agree we need better sex education programs in this country and perhaps your comment is an unfortunate example of that. I certainly got terrible sex ed. As a pro-lifer with a sex-positive standpoint, I’m supportive of these things. I would even whole heartedly support planned parenthood if it wasn’t for the small portion of their services that go towards abortions. But with the Internet, sex positive media, and measures to make contraception widely available, it is pretty easy to make responsible choices when it comes to sex.
Ndndhcjrd Generally speaking, you can assume that most pro-life arguments are not applied to severe circumstances like rape and when the mother will die or something else extreme like that. However, I will elaborate on my thoughts on it. Rape makes up as high as 1% and as low as .3% of all abortions (I’ve seen varying stats on it, but the 1% is unfortunately the most widely accepted stat). The remaining 99% of abortions or higher are the result of consensual sex and 92% of all abortions are for purely social reasons. Saying that most abortions are the result of ignorance or lack of caution in sex is unfortunately true. For abortions in the case of rape, I’m not encouraging but I am understanding of women who receive them. In any case, if having the baby will cause severe long term effects on a woman’s physical or mental health, I understand if she got one. I understand if it’s hard for a woman to carry around a reminder of her trauma. It’s not necessarily the fetus’s fault, but I understand. That being said, I would advise any rape victim to head to their nearest drugstore and get plan b which is available over the counter in all 50 states no ID required. It takes several days for the sperm to reach the egg and plan B prevents contraception from happening (it’s not an abortion as some uneducated or purely religious based pro-lifers claim). Plan B taken up 72 hours after the sex is up to 89% effective. If taken in the first 24 hours, it’s up to 95% effective. I would never shame a woman who still got an abortion because of how traumatic the experience can be or maybe they weren’t sure what happened, but there still is a solution even if abortion becomes illegal.
if pro-life people really gave a shit about life, they'd understand how detrimental putting another child into the foster care system is. they'd open up their own homes to the babies that children and rape victims and the financially unsound have been forced to keep and give birth to. they'd understand that the life of the mother is a life already pulled to fruition, more valuable than that of a thing that hasn't.
1) Every pro-life person I've met cares very deeply about orphans, rape victims, and mothers in financial crises. So much so that they create charities, clinics, and resources specifically for them. They often do, in fact, "open up their own homes." 2) The state of our nation's foster care system is something that needs to be addressed, but it really has no bearing on the morality or immorality of abortion. 3) The mother is indeed alive, and so is the child in her womb. They are equal in value, because all human beings are equal in value - no matter our race, class, sexual orientation... or age.
sorry, but a bundle of stem cells is not worth the same as a human life--the potential for life, for a better life, applies equally in this situation. if a fourteen year old child has a baby, what standard of living do you think either can expect? and if pro-lifers are so willing to open up their homes, where are mitt romney's ten adopted children and local welfare programs? what major pro-life project has been funding the education and empowerment of young single mothers? pro-lifers don't give a shit about anyone but themselves, and seek to claim ownership over bodies they don't deem worthy enough for proper care in the first place. next.
As a survivor of rape, I feel the need to tell the woman at the end that abortions are not just for those who are careless in their sex lives. I was attacked at 13 and I could've died during labor because of how small I was. If I was impregnated, I would've had to have gotten an abortion. It is a woman's right.
+Right Republican it still isnt your place to tell what she deserves or not. If a person wants a baby or not. Thats completely up to them. Amd its not your buisness. If you dont ever want to get an abortion. Then dont. Just dont question others. You dont get that choice. They do.
+Zoey Deal just cause it didnt cross your mind. it doesnt mean abortion is not okay. its their choice. Their body. Their womb. Their uterus. its up to them. Just cause you didnt get a abortion. Doesnt mean that she doesnt need to get it. Its her choice to what to do with it.
Before I was born, a lot of my mom’s friends didn’t want me to be here. My mom was told at 22 that she can’t have children, then 6 years later she became pregnant with me. At 16 weeks, the doctors told her that there was a high chance of me having Down syndrome, because I had a two vessel umbilical cord. My mom decided to keep me, and I don’t have Down syndrome at all.
@@Kihsgy and if her mother made the wrong choice we'd have no comment to respond to because she would have been killed before she had a chance to live. Dont give a fuck about your uterus, but I do think that killing babies should not be legal for people who just accidentally end up pregnant at least
Why should somebody go through the pain of giving birth for something she does not want. The chance of death from giving birth is 14 times of that an abortion. Its a womens body and she has every right to do what she wants.
The potential life of a unborn child does not trump the life of an already existing human! The world is overpopulated as is so why would you encourage bringing another unwanted child into this cruel world? There are more important things to worry about then non-existing individuals and forcing women to have them.
fouroverseven Because you can't force people to do something they don't want with THEIR bodies! Argumentative fallacies: excluded middle (or false dichotomy): considering only the extremes. Many people use Aristotelian either/or logic tending to describe in terms of up/down, black/white, true/false, love/hate, etc. (e.g., You either like it or you don't. He either stands guilty or not guilty.)
SomeHowSomeOne You do not have an unlimited right to do whatever you like with your body, especially if it could hurt someone else. Look, an unborn baby did not ask to be put into his/her mother's uterus-they were put there without a choice. Where's their right to their body... especially the right not to be dismembered?
fouroverseven Infants are incapable of thought. They don't know they exist. They don't even really exist yet. So the mother is the only one that can/should decide.
Abortion: Killing a human. Stripping a human of the most important right (in my opinion anyway); the right to life. Difficult. Controversial. Complex. No matter how difficult the circumstances/life is, I don't believe the taking of an innocent life is justifiable. Unless that child(/fetus/embryo) is threatening the mother's life, then I don't think she has the choice to kill (the only exception being self defense, as described). And I certainly don't think having the choice to end an innocent, defenseless life (sometimes in horribly gruesome and inhumane ways) is a woman's right, or anyone's right; even if the life is inside your body (I don't think location determines whether you have the right to life). Pro-Life.
MrYlad The child, if it cannot feel pain, if it hasn't even got the brain to want to live, is just a bag of flesh. As long as it's done before pain can be caused, then there is nothing wrong. Just attempting to preserve life is groundless.
***** Yes, that "child" could/would be a reminder of the "horrific experience" they went through. But, is the fact that this child is a "reminder" of it the experience enough to justify killing it? Take this example; a man called Mike has [raped] Sarah, a mother. Mike's son goes to Sarah's kids' school. Every time Sarah sees Mike's son when she collects her kids from school etc, he is a ''reminder'' of the horrible experience. Does this mean she has the right to kill him? Mike's son is entirely innocent; why should he suffer for his father's horrible actions. The same goes for the child of a rapist, why should anyone have the choice to kill that innocent, defenseless, voiceless child just because his father has raped his mother? Why should the child recieve the 'death penalty' for his father's crime? As for the pain of the mother; I don't believe any amount of pain or suffering gives you the right to take the life of an innocent, defenseless person.
Same, but, i'm pro choice My mom got pregnant with me when she was 19. It was not a rape. She was being completely careless and didn't use contraception. I am a mistake. According to her, my dad's side of the family wanted to get an abortion (my dad was only 18) but my mom didn't want to. She suffered an awful pregnancy with next to no support, and giving birth to me practically ruined her life. She has very little money to support me and my half sister (also a mistake) and she never finished college. Now she abuses my mentally and emotionally. She calls me horrible names, cusses me out every 2 minutes about dumb stuff, and tells me she doesn't want me around her. I feel like she hates me. Honestly she should have just aborted me. It wasn't worth it.
@@divabooger7116 aw, thanks ❤ i've still got a few years before i can take off, but i plan to be a much more responsible young adult than she was. And my sister can come too
It must be so hard for the women how have had an abortion. It's a hard decision for all the women. Especially on the type of situation everyone goes through different things. It's a women's right..
@ThatRandomYTGamer I really don’t want to hear ur opinion when the person could have been r@ped and doesn’t have the money to take care of it what about like
My word: Conflicting. I had a pregnancy scare almost one month ago, I had only two choices. It was heartbreaking. I wasn't pregnant, but to know my limited options.. it hurt so badly. I had 3 days to think about it before I got my period, and those three days only revolved around my 2 options..
why i’m pro choice: yes, i have heard stories of women whose children motivate them. but imagine being a child born into a life of poverty, crime, addiction, homelessness, or many more struggles that people face on a daily basis. in my opinion, it is much worse for an infant to grow up severely malnourished, cold, neglected, and/or abused, or floating through the foster care/adoption system. newborns do not have the strength to live in these conditions. if the mother knows that she will not be able to offer a good (keep in mind, the definition of ‘good’ is different for everyone - i am not just implying wealth here) life to her child, then it is entirely her choice to abort the pregnancy. people also forget about victims of sexual assault. if a woman is raped and impregnated, that child could be a constant reminder of the trauma and suffering she had to go through. and nearly every time a woman is impregnated by rape, she is nowhere near if the age where she feels ready to raise a child.
I've been seeing that argument a lot. Just know that's a illogical way of thinking. Everyone has good and bad experiences in their life. Why do rich people have such a high suicide rate? Especially when they don't have to worry about the horrors you mention like poverty and addiction. You say it has nothing to do with wealth but I know that's what it comes down to. Also why do you mention rape in such a misleading way? Rape AND INCEST (both) make up only 1.5% of abortions. Why don't you or any pro abortion people mention that nuance? Seems like you're more interested in feelings over facts. Also excluding the misleading tone of your second paragraph you forgot only 5% of rape victims get pregnant (women of reproductive age) Again you ignore facts and try to mislead and paint with a broader brush. Look these propaganda networks aren't interested in telling you the truth they just want to abort as many as possible. So they can make money. Ever wonder why abortions have been going down overall but Planned Parenthood's number of abortions are going up they're trying to dominate this huge market. Do you not know how the evil work? They eat their own and start to turn on each other. Most pro life people are too scared to blame the women but I do without them going to the clinic the abortion won't happen. These soft belly pro lifers are to scared too say the truth so they get picked on and bullied by the sluts. They always say the same thing you're judging right? Not judging just don't want blood to shed.
So because this life would ve hard they don't deserve to exist? Homeless, poor, and abused individuals should've been aborted? Go only rich people deserve to live? This is the stupidest argument ever in my opinion.
@@justanotherweirdo11 bruh the point she is trying to make is the life that the person will be born into is unpredictable... so therefore terminating the pregnancy eliminates that uncertainty. There is always still a chance that It can have a bad life. And plus the"baby" is a clump of cells. It is cellular life not human life. It is not sentient and cannot feel pain and will not have a recollection of anything happening to it.
@@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 and why don't you bring up the stat the most abortions happen within the first trimester and only 1.2% happen within the second...
It upsets me that these women against abortion didn't bring up the possibility that some women, who get abortions, were raped and whether the child would have suitable living conditions after they are born. Even if the mother doesn't want the child, it would be extremely hard to give the child up for adoption after they are a tangible person, not just something in your body. It is not as simple a subject as it seems.
+Sneaker Head a lot of kids in the system age out with no family or develop issues from mental Illnesses or abuse. Or they could be taken into a loving home but there's always a risk you're setting someone up for failure
“keep the baby and then give it up for adoption” Yeah then let the cells grow into a child that will most likely live a miserable life and likely never have a family
Alayna Brown not true! I'm adopted so is my older sister. My pastor at church just got done adopting his 3&4 children. They have officially adopted 4 kids now. Another lady at my church has adopted two kids and had some of their own. My oldest sister has adopted a little boy, she's also a single mother who has three kids now. A lot of people want to adopt, including myself and all of my siblings (there are five of us). And I wasn't adopted after birth, I was just around 10 years old and my life has been honesty quite great.
Monique Castelli I feel genuinely happy for you. But unfortunately that’s not eh case for everyone. I’ve seen many children put up for adoption just being shuffled from home to home and it just breaks my heart
You need to reconsider that. Deciding whether to kill a baby or not is ridiculous. Abortion is straight up murder. And GOD is not happy about millions of his children being murdered.
But you can? Can't you? ,You do understand the concept of time, that clump of cells is what will become a human capable of thought, it isn't just something that doesn't change with time and will stay constant through out it's life.
@@stephaniapaul2901 a baby is small and defenceless. A clump of cells is as alive as the other cells on my body, the trees in the forest and bacteria. All of those things are living things. Pls take you’re religion and shove it so far up your ass it knocks sense into you
@@princemachiavelli6570 yes and when it has that conscious thought it’s is a human child. Until then it’s really not. That is why you can’t abort children once they’re children. An apple is not an Apple when it is a seed is it? Yes natural progression is part of life but in general we do not categorise things as what they will grow into but rather what they are in that very moment. Use your brain sometimes.
NK/ MK I partially agree with her. You can still get pregnant even when wearing condoms and using birth control. Life is unpredictable and even when you are prepared, sometimes it still doesn’t work.
I'm pro abortion. I'm a teenage girl and I know I would get an abortion if I got SAd. I wouldn't want a baby as a "consequence", rather a well thought out choice. And I don't believe a 70 year old man should decide what I would do with a baby I birthed.
People are more concerned about a life that didn’t start more than people dying every day because of war, because of abuse, because of the hate we have for each other...
@depressed egg Just cause they dont speak you do anything doesnt mean its nothing. guess how you were born? Before you were the same thing. No thoughts, no senses, no feelings, no memories, and now your beyond that. ending a life means a lot. many things could change. even if you couldnt take care of the baby, just adopt him/ her.
For the people who say abortion is wrong is stupid I'm not saying it right but its a females choice if she doesn't feel ready than she can take the abortion route
if I ever was raped and became pregnant I would give birth to the baby. The baby is another human being. Just because it has to grow inside of another person people think that the carrier the woman has a right to kill the growing human inside her. A life is a life no matter if they are 1 year of age one week of age or 23 years of age. Just because they are not able to express anything inside of a woman we think it's okay to kill them. If you don't want to raise the baby and be a mom then give the baby up for adoption so they can have their right at life and be happy with a family who loves them. How would you feel if your parents got an abortion? U wouldn't be here. You had the blessing of being born. Every baby conceived whether it be a product of rape, incest, a loving married couple, teenagers, etc. are human being that are not the mother. It's their life. The mom has no right to kill that human being. Simply my opinion. I respect everyone's opinion on this matter as I see other points of view. But if I respect yours respect mine. Thank you.
you can give the baby in adoption and the couple paids you for all the pregnancy plus they give extra money and everyone is happy abortion its a coward choice
JELIFISH19 i see your point... but the baby has no right to be killed. 9 months of pregnancy poor woman.. lol we care more about a woman having to go through less than a year of carrying a baby than a lifetime of human life.?? "All babies deserve to be borned." - Juno (the asain girl)
GOOD, FUCK mothers that choose to get their children killed. since when do we care about murderer's feelings? and no, in cases where the mother's life is probably at risk it isn't murder, just like self defense isn't murder.
@@jazminemcmahon5366 does the way in which the child was conceived make its life less valuable? NO. Fundamentally, it would be killing because of emotions, how come we never pity all of the other murderers and serial killers, do you know what has to go through their mind before they even think about killing someone? How come you hate those people and think their actions are not ok? I wouldn’t mind having something like programs where the mothers are provided for until the child is ready, when they can choose to give them in to adoption or keep them, maybe even have the rapist pay HEAPS of child support after he is castrated, if they can prove it was rape.
@@Andrew-th8jk you realise a fetus has no feelings it can’t feel anything and it isn’t even developed enough to no it’s alive, however going out and killing a sentient being, who has an actual life and can feel pain is nothing like getting an abortion, your logic is extremely off, and being in a traumatising experience like rape would be hard enough to go through they don’t need to now suffer or be at potential risk of now dying because they were raped and impregnated against there own will, you can’t be so upset about someone deciding to have an abortion, if you don’t care about women who are pinned down and raped by random people against there own will, and then your gonna make the women suffer for it and force them to keep a child that would be a constant reminder of the time they were raped, not only that imagine that child growing to realise there father is literally a rapist and the only reason there on this earth is because a man had no self control and decided to rape and traumatise there mums life, and the mother would of probably been happier if they were never even born, please just think about other people’s lives before going and commenting something like this, btw i know that you technically are killing a life when having an abortion, how ever your not killing a baby, and your not killing a sentient being, it’s the same as stepping on a flower, there alive however there nothing like actual sentient beings, would you say people who have stepped on flowers or picked flowers murderers, no you wouldn’t. yes embryos obviously develop into a sentient being over time, but during the time the embryo is terminated it isn’t a sentient being, therefore people who have had an abortion are not murderers
@@jazminemcmahon5366 everybody uses this argument when in reality rape and incest cases are an extreme minority of abortion cases. People who went through get should get abortion rights and rapists should get castrated or killed. End of story
None of them pissed me of until that last lady. I'm respectful of people's choices as long as you don't judge the person by how many people they've slept with
That last women rlly ticked me off. I am pro choice but I was fine with the other people saying it's "murder" when it isn't at all, you're just vacuuming a clump of cells. But the fact that she said that ppl are just careless and to not take into consideration that women get raped or that protection fails really annoyed me.
For the last lady who said people need to be more cautious of their sexual activity, there is so much more than that. There is rape, there is the mother's health that could be at risk, there is not thinking you're ready to be a mother and not thinking you can support a child. There's so much more then not being careful.
Okay so if rape and the mother's life are not factors does that mean you would ban it in situations where a woman and her partner are careless and have an accidentally pregnancy
@@JanisFever I don't think it really matters. If you know for a fact that you are not financial, physically, or mentally stable to have a child or if you again just don't want one, it is your choice to not have it. Pregnancy and childbirth is still very expensive if you do decide to go through with it and that it entirely the woman's choice.
@@JanisFever I don't think there need to be "justifications" I think that a woman has the right to do what she wants to with her body and not be judged by other people
I strongly believe in evolution and you could say I'm quite from being humane in some of my ideas. don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater or anything, I just think a little differently than you. for this theme I can say just one sentence: "there's too much people already anyways" yes, you can say I'm a monster or whatever now. I just believe that things like pregnancy should be well planned at least.
cool beans you said essentially that even if someone is raped they still have to birth life. A woman that is traumatized for the rest of her life and was raped has to give birth that she did not consent to do. That’s what’s horrible about what u said. Rape is not consent to pregnancy.
"cool beans you said essentially that even if someone is raped they still have to birth life" They SHOULD still give birth. Killing another human being is immoral, no matter how you spin in. Its bazaar to me that people think it gives them a morality pass.
***** But the woman caries the child alone. And it's the woman's body that practically gets destroyed during the birth. She's the one that has to take off work. If she doesn't want to do that, it's her choice. He can have an opinion on it and they can talk about it. But ultimately, it's up to her.
Hunter Frazier That's as silly as saying someone who is white can't have an opinion about police brutality towards blacks. Like a fetus, a man is a human being, that gives him every right to have an opinion about abortion.
fouroverseven Yes, of course men (or people with uteruses, keep in mind that some women do not have uteruses and some men do) can have opinions on abortion. Just like how white people can have opinions on police brutality towards black people. However, people that do not have uteruses (ie, can't become pregnant) have irrelevant opinions on the topic because it isn't their body carrying the baby, being sacrificed to nurture the fetus. That is also why it's ultimately the carrier of the fetus that has the relevant opinion.
Hunter Frazier Yes, but it also isn't you're body that gets dismembered. You're talking about a choice in which the person it affects most doesn't have any.
fouroverseven The body that's being dismembered isn't even conscious until birth. It cannot and will not become conscious until birth. An unborn baby is just a potential, it has no rights until it is born.
If I cannot provide for that child, if I cannot give it a better life than the one I had... Why would I bring it into the world? to have a hard life, with little choices and few oportunities? No, ffs... And no, fortunatly I've never had to go through that, and if I had to, idk what I'd do... but it is always a choice, one that will affect your whole life believe me, most abortions which are supposed to happen, will happen anyway. It's not a decision taken lightly, and many women will go to extreme lenghts to have one... So lets do it with human conditions, not with wrong medications or drugs, or even jumping down a staircase... :'(
This is the opinion pro-lifers should have. Really everyone is thinking about themselves personally when they say their opinion on this. Since I'm trans I would never want to be pregnant. The idea is disgusting to me, but if anyone wants to be pregnant I'm not gonna tell them it's gross to me lmao... It's their own family
I don't know, it's a really hard decision, but many people believe its wrong because there is life there, whether your Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, you can't deny there is something living there, no matter how small.
I hate people that say abortion is killing a life while the person has their own reasons. The baby might be dead, or not able to live properly. It could be damaging or even killing the mother. It might be because of rape. You'll hear people about life being thrown away when it comes to unborn babies but you don't hear the same people about poverty and people being killed in the streets and countries where war is going on. Most women don't do abortion if they don't have a valid reason to do it. I think it's a right. I probably worded all of this clumsily, but i hope you understand what i mean.
I love how people think oh adoption. yes because it is soooooo easy. do they know how many kids there are around the world who are waiting, how many kids who were adopted that suffer from mental illness, the amount who never get adopted, the stress put on the mother when putting them up, and etc? it may not be better for the fetus to even be born. what happens when they are deformed to the point of living bring pain? the ones who if stay in the mother will lead to both their deaths should they not be aborted even though they won't make it? also do y'all forget the actual cost of giving birth in a hospital? 🤦
Zoey Striker That still doesn't justify killing it. I understand rape and endangering the mothers life, but that doesn't even make up 1% of abortion. Why should a baby suffer the mistakes another human made? Everyone has the right to live,
fouroverseven Women don't abort because they are evil, the don't go around saying "Death to all babies, yes!'. No. An abortion is a loving mother's decision to sacrifice her motherhood in order to give what is best for her child. Many mothers would rather prevent a child's life then see the horrible suffering that ensues due to negligence, abuse, and a host of other emotionally scarring effects. Abortion is SO much more complicated than dead babies is bad. Abortion is bad.
savedasloths No one said they're evil, if anything they're misled. Call me crazy, but for whatever reason, I don't believe the dismemberment of a human being could ever be a loving decision. And no one would force a mother to care for a child she's not prepared to. She could simply give that child to someone who is through adoption.
fouroverseven When you say that they are 'choosing to kill' in your context, you are implying that they are evil. Well... maybe evil is a strong word, but you get what I'm saying. Call me crazy, but for whatever reason, I don't believe in forcing women to care for an unwanted child, taking away her freedom. For whatever reason, I don't want children being raised in a broken home full of abuse and neglect. For whatever reason, I don't want to force a woman to carry out an abortion herself, possibly killing her and her child. And to say that women don't abort their fetuses out of love is just mischaracterization and an example of how you imply that pro-choice women don't have good intentions. And I believe I have already commented on another one of your posts on adoption, but here it is again: "...many parents have tried to adopt, but denied so many babies because their parents were addicts or psychologically different. Many parents, possibly most, just do not have the time, money, or patience to take on a child with extreme physical, mental, and social difficulties, and this is the group of fetuses that has been spared from an abusive and emotionally damaging life."
It’s honestly not that people are careless with their sexuality, it’s that there is lack of education. Abortion is tragic and sad but it is necessary. There are MANY valid reasons a woman may want to terminate a pregnancy, but people like to cherry pick. Rape , incest , and a night of partying a lil too hard are not the only reasons there are SO much more.
I feel like women have the right to choose whether to abort but only up to a certain point. Once the baby reaches a point were it can live outside the womb (23 weeks) then an abortion should not be allowed anymore.
3:05 she got on my nerves. you think the only reason for pregnancy is being careless? not rape? not protection that didn't work? the fetus is inside the person for 9 months. almost a year full of pain and an exhausting process that doesn't stop for a second even after the birth (which is the second most painful thing, and that is also a big thing to consider) you have to deal with post partum, extra weight, being jugded by people if you're young and so much more. it was posted 3 years ago, so i hope she thought about it and changed her mind.
I think abortion pills should be available covered by medical insurance at every doctor office no questions asked for any girl who needs it. The reason most women have late term abortions other than health is because it can cost over 1000 dollars and sometimes they have to go to another state. If it was available free when needed women who need an abortion would get it by pill before the fetus is even 2 weeks
It's a right. And that's my opinion and people have a right to disagree with it. But I believe a woman should have the right to have an abortion. I can't imagine being raped and having to be forced to keep it. Of course I would have one quickly before it becomes too late. But I fully support women who go through with it and they don't deserve to be bashed
Princess Jasmine Rarely is abortion performed because the mother was raped, they're done simply because the child isn't wanted.
fouroverseven so would you rather grow a child in a family where he's not wanted? Plus most of abortion are done because of economic issues, a child is expensive and i would rather not seeing him suffer because a family has no money to feed him or give him a decent life. However your body your choice,personally i wouldn't abort but i would never stop someone from aborting
giulia marzi No one would force a mother and father to raise a child they're not prepared to. If they feel they can't care for their child, they could simply give that child to someone who is able to care for them through adoption.
Adoption is not simple, at least a huge number of children are likely to be never adopted, and therefore when they turn 18 (or 21 depending on the country) and they have to leave orphanages they become homeless as they have no money to live
giulia marzi Well, I know alt least in the U.S. there are about 400,000 children in foster care, of which 100,000 eligible for adoption. These kids will spend anywhere between one and three years in the system before finding permanent adoptive parents or aging out of the program. And that being said, almost all newborns are adopted quickly. Really, there's no reason to abort your baby if you think he or she is going to be unwanted or homeless.
Everyone grab your popcorn. There’s gonna be one hell of a party in the comment section.
Dude its actually crzy
My Name Is Daniel lmao pro choice is sickening
m e why do you care more about the life of a clump of cells than a fully developed woman with feelings and responsibilities and a life?
3 1 / 0 3 because the majority of women just don't feel like having a baby
TheRandomGamer hi what? how is that relevant
I’m glad they included BOTH sides of the coin.
Same I think it's important to explore both sides
Yup
......I didnt think they knew how the women would answer.
@Shelby Thibodeaux ofcourse they would all have different opinions, thats why I said they didnt know how each women would answer.
Mhm
Just because you stand firm on your opinion does not mean you can't respect someone else's. I literally never give my opinion on this topic because people are always unnecessarily disrespectful towards each other about it.
I don't respect a murderer 💀🤮
supernes64 eaa same, and I lost a friend who supports abortion bc she wouldnt wanna be friends with someone who interferes with “women’s rights” like wtf
supernes64 eaa i don’t respect someone who doesn’t listen to anyone else because they’re so hard headed that they can’t even comprehend the bullshit leaving their own mouths
What makes me upset is no one ever takes the time to learn about anything anymore. They're just parroting bullshit they heard and don't actually know what their talking about. If you're gonna berate someone for their opinion, you should know what you're talking about first.
supernes64 eaa i don’t respect u
I think something that people forget about is that pro-choice does not = pro-abortion. pro-choice is the belief that it is the women's choice wether she wants to have an abortion or not. not that belief that abortions overpower life
Pro-choice does = pro-abortion. Unborn either have rights or they don't. I aint pro-abortion I'm pro-CHOICE is a bullshit copout.
+Randolph well it's pretty clear that a fetus has no right to life.
Robert Sparling > How exactly is that "pretty clear"? Give me a scientific explanation of that claim, not "Roe-v.-Wade sez so".
+Harold I don't think I need to explain it your way. Rights is not a proper area for scientific investigation. Science is a source of facts regarding the natural world, but the question of rights is the domain of law. In regard to a woman seeking to terminate a pregnancy, there is the question of whether a fetus has a right to live or if a woman has the right to autonomy over her body. The Courts have decided, and the majority of people accept, that a woman has the right to bodily autonomy and a fetus has no right to life. That is pretty clear.
Can't deal with morally right or wrong so you sez Roe v Wade sez so - sounds like he pwned ya.
It's amazing to me how people say "You opened your legs, deal with the consequences". You really want children being brought into the world as consequences? You think it's safe for a baby to be possibly seen as a punishment? That's some fucked up logic.
IKR, how evil for people to expect you not to kill the children you took part in creating right?
jjjj Ever heard of adoption?
RevucumberTechUSA Oh fuck off. I rather a fetus with no concept of it's own existence, to be terminated, than a live child to be brought into the world and abused/mistreated. Mind your own fucking business.
CampY | CS:GO eSports Adoption? Oh that's rich. You think adoption is just a walk in the park huh? Do you know how many children are sitting in the adoption system right now? The ones whose chances of getting adopted are lower because they are sick, minorities or just simply too old? How about you advocate for them instead of trying to tell women to go through with unwanted pregnancies.
jjjj im gay
A child should never be the consequence of, let alone a punishment for someone's mistake.
A child should be born out of love, not out of necessity, not unwanted by accident and it should be born into a family who can afford to have a child in the first place, you should be able to afford the basic necessities - a family who is mature enough to care for the child and love it the way it deserves to be loved and cared for. Everything less than that.. no child deserves that - that's why I'm pro choice. Not only because it's the woman, the mother, who has to go through all the suffering, no, it could in the end also be the child who'll have a troublesome life as a consequence and feel like an unwanted burden to the family.
The woman at the end said that she'd rather have that child given up for adoption - but so many children who were given away live under terrible conditions, many of them fall into the depths of drug addiction and prostitution. By then, they are alive, they live through all the pain and troubles, and they can barely fight them - and all that can be prevented.
Mina Fed The Unicorns ♥ I agree..
A friend of mine was conceived due to her mother being raped, and she has major psycological issues thanks to that information (she kept asking who her father was), she has been in and out of suicide-centers since she was 12.. And they had problems affording food and stuff since my friends mom only was 17 when she was raped and her family threw her out the day she turned 18 (6-7 months pregnant i think).. If her parents had just believed her about being raped and allowed her to go through with the abortion when she noticed that she was pregnant, like 4 weeks after the rape this wouldn't have happened.. >.
Frostlilja Jarlsten Oh god, that sounds terrible.. I really wish her the best of luck and that she'll be alright.
I was also a .. surprise-child, let's put it that way. My mom was dating a guy for 1-2 years, but he was never ready for anything serious because he was still studying and unable to feed a family. My mom was also a professional ballet dancer - her pregnancy not only scared my biological father away, it also ruined her carreer and she had nothing else as a back up, i.e. she had to rely on the help of her mother, my grandma, until just a few years ago. She never made me feel like a burden, she loves me like mad, just like I love her, but sometimes I feel like her life would be a lot different and a lot better if I didn't come so unexpectad, but I was planned and maybe.. born a few years later. Obviously, that's not even close to your story, but even the smallest things sum up to a serious issue at some point.
That sucks in it's own way tho =(
Mina Fed The Unicorns ♥ Trust me when I say that if your mother had it to do over again, she'd still have you. I was in her shoes once, long long ago...and even though I only had 9 years with my oldest daughter before she died, and even though our life was very hard, I would still go back and have her all over again. Once we've met you, there's no undoing that love. It is forever.
My life was turned completely upside down, but for her? I'd do it again!
Mina Fed The Unicorns ♥ holy shit ''A child should never be the consequence of someone's mistake.' YES! this gave me chills
I was raped at 14 by my older step brother. I became pregnant. My mom refused to let me have an abortion. I knew in my heart that I wasn’t ready. I mean, I was 14. I didn’t want to bring a baby into this world if she/he wasn’t going to have absolutely everything they needed. I also know what being adopted is like. I was placed with my adoptive parents at about 6-7 weeks. I know it’s not like this for every adoptee, but I always felt alone. My older siblings knew who they were related to. I grew to resent my adoptive parents because they didn’t have the answers I so desperately needed. But I also resented my biological parents for giving me up. I always felt abandoned because of that. I didn’t want my baby to feel like that. So, I moved in with my dad, and he let me make the choice of terminating my pregnancy. Some days I regret it, but the majority of the time I know I made the best decision for me and my baby. I now have an amazing husband and 4 wonderful children.
Bravo!
You talking about me or my rapist?
@@jademorgan4254 I am saying bravo to you for coming through the tragedy with your head on and seeking positive outcomes. The other commenter is pro-life, and is probably directing that venom at you because she noticed me supporting you. I make a lot of pro-choice posts, and sometimes I get stalkers.
@@bifurious7828 You're a stalker.
@@bifurious7828 bruh it's a baby produced out of RAPE she was 14, how are you gonna call a 14 year old disgusting for getting rid of a baby they weren't ready to haveeeee
CHOICE and NECESSARY
Chiclete Violeta Really? The choice to kill is necessary?
"kill" jesus christ stop taking care of women's utereses
fouroverseven The choice to kill cells inside of your own body, yes.
sanju singh At 12 weeks it doesn't feel pain, no. Easy on the caps lock.
Chiclete Violeta Look, I'm not religious. You don't need religion to see abortion for the human-rights tragedy it is.
"Clinging to a rhetoric about abortion in which there is no life and no death, we entangle our beliefs in a series of self-delusions, fibs and evasions. And we risk becoming precisely what our critics charge us with being: callous, selfish and casually destructive men and women who share a cheapened view of human life...we need to contextualize the fight to defend abortion rights within a moral framework that admits that the death of a fetus is a real death." -Naomi Wolf, feminist author
The next question should be if they want to adopt. A lot of them is pro life, but no one wants to adopt the kids put in adoption
Natalie Grundsøe this! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
I feel like adoption is no longer a thing, like it’s either birth or abort, did a quick google and found that 51,000 children are put up for adoption each year in the us and 664,000 are aborted each year (legally) in the us.
given their compassionate nature of many of them I'm sure they would happily adopt a child
People are selfish, woman like the idea of abortion because it gives them a false sense of empowerment and control. Killing a baby for your selfish reasons and not taking responsibility for your own actions shouldn't be acceptable.
Meaning, you don't have a logical argument.
Dial down your butt hurt levels, its getting cringy.
To everyone saying that women should have to give birth to a child they don't want, just to save its life:
I hope you are donating your blood, and have donated a kidney. If not, you're saying your life and health is more important than the lives of those who are dying because they aren't getting your organs/blood.
And no, you don't have a choice whether or not you can do this, you MUST give up your body to save someone else's life. No exceptions, not even if going through with the operation would kill you, or cause permanent damage to your body.
See, it doesn't sound so great when someone is trying to dictate what you do with your body.
Pro-choice all the way.
ZombieSympathiser well said.
ZombieSympathiser I don't have a stance on this topic but just to play the opposing opinion: your analogy doesn't count the fact that there is only one person who can save the life in a pregnancy and there are many people who can give blood or organs to save lives. Also there is the argument that can be made that is that the baby shares the body with the mother it's just that the mother has more control. Like how you can't just evict a roommate just because you don't like them. Again I take neither side I'm trying to get you to empathize with the other side a bit more. The topic is not an objectively understood one and it shouldn't be treated like it is.
Nubro Zaref
Good arguments :)
But, altough there are many people who can help giving organs and blood, its still one on one. One organ saves one life. One decision. You can decide to save a life, or not, just like with the child. Even a mass of blood doners starts with one single individual.
I think that people who call themselves "pro-life" should value and care about life even outside of all the abortion-talk.
"NO, no, you HAVE TO carry that child, even if its just a blop of cells. Life is precious ... EEHHW, there's a spider! KILL IT!"
otherwise they're simply not "pro-life" they're ... "pro-birth" ?
*****
why so negative?
***** thanks for handling this topic maturely. I guessing you have about a dozen abortions under your sleeve, you must be proud.
Pain. That hurt. I’ve had one . Was the most awful decision I ever had to make....I wouldn’t wish that situation on my worst enemy.Some nights I regret it some nights I don’t . But I will always hold hurt and love for that baby .
He didn't love you. He was a fetus. It was like killing a mosquito. So don't feel bad.
I understand. I've had similar feelings. I made that choice because I thought about the welfare of the child before my own. If there was any possible way that my child would have had a decent life, from where I was, what my situation was, I believe it was the right choice. I don't wish for my children to suffer and having the abortion was my attempt to prevent my child's suffering. We don't know if a fetus in the first trimester feels anything, but I know that a new born child feels something and if I can't provide my child food what is the point. Also remember most pregnancies happen because their birth control failed.
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Just imagine if the mother had been raped. Do you not think that the individual should have the CHOICE to abort their pregnancy if the baby will be a constant reminder of the awful experience that they had to go through.
***** Not so sure that that'll be the mindset that they will have after finding out that the person who raped them has put a part of them self inside of her in the form of a baby. However, I do concur that some women probably will feel empowered by the experience and be able to use the baby as a reminder of how strong she was to get through such an experience.
***** When you are pregnant, Andrew, you can make the choice for yourself, just as every other pregnant person can choose for themselves. That's the law.
*****
Legally, that is not how it works.
You're implying that someone else should have a say over someone else's body, and that's not how the law works. Each person living has a right to bodily autonomy. Your body, your choices for that body. No one else has a say. That's not just with pregnancy, either, that's in all matters. Women are equal to men. We are able to choose for our bodies, just as men can choose for theirs in all matters.
As a married woman, I would choose to talk to my husband about any surgery I was having, and we've had those conversations because I've had several operations since we got older. I value his opinion so much that I gave him the legal right to make medical decisions for me in the event that I am incapacitated and cannot make them for myself. I trust him enough to make the choices he knows I would want and vice versa - we both have living wills and medical power of attorney.
However, he cannot choose for me if I am able to speak for myself, just as I cannot choose for him if he can speak for himself.
We're way past having children now, but when we were young and still having them, while I always valued his opinions, legally, my choices while pregnant were mine alone, as it must be for all people.
I was fortunate enough to be a mother to seven children in my life, and then, there were two occasions, separated by many years, where I was forced to make the difficult decision not to continue a pregnancy. The circumstances were very different, both were heart-breaking to me, but I know I make the right choice...not just for me, but for the children I already had. If I had it all to do over again, now that I am nearer the end of my life than the beginning, I would still make those same choices in those situations.
I don't really care if it "makes you sick" as it wasn't your decision. It was mine. I'm not ashamed in the least, as I know I did the right thing both times under those circumstances.
Each pregnancy is different, and each time you are pregnant, you have to deal with the reality of what IS happening, and not what you WISH was happening. My husband and I have had lots of decisions to face in this life that were as hard as, if not worse, than those terminations. We buried our oldest daughter when she was 9. That was much worse.
We had to choose to take my twin sister off life support. That was much, much worse.
Real life isn't fair. It's often full of situations which are painful, but which you have to face and deal with. Sometimes, the choices in front of you are all painful, and nearly impossible.
You'll learn this by the time you are my age if you are lucky enough to get old.
***** No one is saying a fetus has more value than his/her mother, they're saying her unborn baby's right to life is just as inherent as hers.
I got forced to be pregnant by my ex whom abused me everyday. I made the decision to make an abortion. I could never have lived with the fact that every time I saw my kid I would have thought about how he treated me. I could never have taken good care of a child because of my PTSD and other psychological problems I have. If someone where to say I did the wrong thing, then fuck them. I did the right thing.
Right Republican her choice
Right Republican right because a child going from foster home to foster home is living a much better life.
Right Republican adoption is such a long process. Giving a child up for adoption isn't even a good choice because most children in foster care don't even get adopted. Adoption is such a long expensive process. It's not just black or white.
Right Republican tell that to the millions of kids waiting to be adopted you fucking idiot
Deiji Sora all tho u could have just put the kid up for adoption 🤷🏼♀️
As someone who's had an abortion I would want everyone to know that it needs to be safe and legal for all people.
missatralissa Why should the deliberate destruction of human life ever be safe and legal?
fouroverseven abortion is a necessary medical procedure. And, I don't think the lives of pregnant people should be forfeit the moment a fetus enters into the picture. All babies should be wanted and all people should be able to chose when they are ready to start a family.
missatralissa Abortion is rarely if ever "necessary." And referring to it simply as a medical procedure is an attempt at masking the ugly reality that abortion is the deliberate destruction of a human being.
No one is saying that a fetus' life somehow trumps his mother's. We're saying his or her right to life is as inherent as their mother's.
"All babies should be wanted..." There are lots of people who are not "wanted" in this world, that doesn't give you the right to kill them.
fouroverseven I know for a fact that abortion is necessary. I wouldn't be where I am today if I had not had access to a safe and legal abortion. And I'm sorry, but the four week old embryo did not same the same rights to life as myself. I made a hard choice, and I have no regrets about it. I'm alive and well, and should I decide to have children in the future they will be wanted and planed for.
missatralissa Was your pregnancy life-threatening? Why wouldn't you be here if you hadn't access to abortion?
Look, I wouldn't even call an abortion to save the life of the mother an abortion. I'm sure every effort is made to save the life of her unborn child.
Life-saving abortions account for fewer than one percent of nearly one million abortions performed in the U.S. annually. Most women who have abortions simply don't want their child.
If you’re not going to support my child financially and mentally after he/she is born, then it’s my choice to have him/her or not.
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@erik masterchef A great moral pronouncement for you to follow. The rest of us will make up our own minds.
erik masterchef Sex shouldn't be used as a fear tactic tho, it's not just for reproduction
@erik masterchef some people are raped tho
erik masterchef I'm guessing you don't get laid
It seems that as people get older they have a more nuanced view on abortion. The younger crowd tends to be more anti-abortion and absolutist in their thinking. It's pretty counter-intuitive.
Glitched Link Well, you're right about one thing, the pro-life side is becoming increasingly young. Is it counterintuitive? Not even sure what you mean by that.
fouroverseven Usually younger people are more liberal, less traditional, and less absolutist than older people. This video and my experience in general seems to support the opposite, although most Americans are pro-choice.
Glitched Link The reason that today's young people don't all have their eyes open the way my generation did is because they have never lived in a time when women that they loved were dying from illegal abortions. They've never had to face the terror of (themselves or a friend/family member/ or loved one) meeting a stranger in some dirty building who may leave them butchered and bleeding to death on a table somewhere, with no way to call for help (we didn't have cell phones back then). If they had to live as women once did, back when we had no rights and no say over our own bodies, then they would understand how we came to stand before the Supreme Court in the early 70's, demanding the right to bodily autonomy and access safe, legal abortion....because making it illegal doesn't stop it, it just makes it dangerous.
Glitched Link It's not my imagination that the pro-life side is becoming increasingly younger:
www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/08/why-isnt-millennial-support-for-abortion-rights-increasing/244442/
www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/america%E2%80%99s-youth-more-pro-life-ever
Glitched Link That's exactly what I was thinking. And I mean, I'm a teen, I think the choice to have abortions should be considered a right and many of my friends feel the same way. I find it strange.
I'm pro-choice. If a woman was in a situation where she couldn't support the child or she was sexually assaulted and got pregnant, she should decide for herself whether or not she will have the baby. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this is mine.
I agree
Pregnancy is not easy. End the suffering for the woman ASAP through allowing her a choice of an abortion. Don't make her go through a body-altering, mental-health threatening, physically stressful experience that is pregnancy just to please pro-lifers. Most of the pro-lifers who say "put them up for adoption" are no where to be seen when the child needs to be adopted. Most just stay in care whilst couples would rather go through IVF before adoption. (Nothing wrong with IVF either)
you must be from sweden
I'm from Canada
Not simple. Adoption, and then what? They go into the system? A family adopts them but they spend their whole life wondering why their parents never kept them. People who are Pro-Life preach about adoption and giving the child a chance at life, but what kind of life is it it to be in the world alone? Abandoning a child at birth is the same thing as getting it aborted.
When the girl said "Pro-choice people only think of the Mom & don't think about the life that's inside of them." ......
I'm pro-choice because I care about a child not growing up with a shitty life. A child should not be subjected to that. Pro-lifers don't care about the child once it's born, even if it means that they have to be subjected to growing up in the shitty conditions of foster care, or in a poor household, or a broken home, etc. Abortion is NOT murder and it is necessary in certain situations.
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Yeah I mean being poor is eorse than being dead
Yeah Jesus who would want to live a life in poverty?!
Shame on you baby killer. Hopefully you get what you deserve on judgement day
The doctors wanted my mom to abort me because they said there was a 99% chance I would be physically or mentally disabled. In the end, she chose not to. And, well, here I am! I'm grateful I'm completely healthy, but I'm mostly grateful I'm alive.
I'm pro-choice and I believe you cannot justify a decision based on details you learned after making said decision. Your case is a perfect example. While I'm sure you're glad to be alive, your mother could not have guaranteed the future you have now. She took a gamble and luckily one the prize. I just hope people understand that if everybody faced a 99% mortality rate, there wouldn't be so many of them to tell the story,
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@Simply Sasuke you should be happy your here be positive
@Simply Sasuke seek counseling.
@Simply Sasuke you have a right to be here a right t o live dont let idiots tell you different they are jealous
It's kinda weird to me that it's typically the older women saying choice and the younger women saying no. Typically it's the other way around with progressive ideas. My only guess is the oldest women were born within like 10 years of Roe v. Wade and maybe that had a great impact on them.
It’s because the older women have higher maturity and thus are able to put more thought and empathy into the issue.
Satan’s Baby whats the reality of life?
Pro-life people been HAVING more children and raising them in those beliefs. I lived in 5 different major cities and I see the change in opinions happening in young people. Choice choice choice is getting to be a nagging old ladies scene.
Or maybe it's the experience that comes with age
It's because they are apart of generation Z, and studies have found that generation Z is the most conservative generation since World War II
I wish there was such thing as respect for difference of opinion.
I do not wish for respect of difference of opinion. Ok?
Yes, you should.
tbh i think that opinions can be wrong. for example, i shouldn’t have to respect a racist person’s opinion.
Of course! You can think whatever you want - so far...
I don't know you or your background or where you live. I hope you have the freedom to think AND express your opinion openly. Having said that, not everybody does have that freedom. Speech is not free when it endangers that person and their family. Think North Korea in 2017...or Nazi Germany in 1940...or China in 1989.
Koko S Not when people believe something is murder.
Just because you personally wouldn't do it yourself doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to There's no reason you should be forced to put your body through pregnancy and birth when you dont want it Its an extremely hard decision that takes a lot of thought to make Even though some of your babies are absolute gifts other women just KNOW they do not want a baby Saying oh just give it up after birth isn't right because you still put your body through all of it and keep the scars And there's already so many children sitting without homes I wouldn't abort my baby because I all I want is to be a mother but others are not meant to be mothers they could be a carrier for a disease or something it shouldn't be judged unless they wait a stupid amount of time to decide to go through with it It honestly is your decision as its mother and as the owner of your body most babies that are aborted dont even resemble a human we always forget that.. One mistake shouldn't ruin your whole life and yes babies can ruin lives even though they are precious they can. Fetuses that dont even resemble newborns are not the same as the babies you give birth to :/
Klynn Bear so you don't want to get through pain but you are fine with takeing a babys life? Selfish?
So you are saying it’s okay if we murder babies? Because we have control over their life and body too? Sounds like murder to me...
M31k Lfrtn having the baby just so you dont feel bad is still selfish.
Shamayil Al Hajri uh hello... Its inside of the WOMENS BODY. They have to carry it, they have to deliver it.
parkerblackwood Not trying to sound aggressive or anything, but what if someone were to become pregnant as a result of rape? They didn't choose to have sex, it was forced on them...
I just wanna say, as a child of a mother who wasn’t ready for children. I wish my mother waited. Because she didn’t wait, I know what’s it’s like to have to sleep to escape hunger pains. I have big dreams of college but my mother knows nothing of school nor do we have the money so it really seems like my life was always doomed to have a dead end. Idk it seems like if she could have waited and had me later or something, like when she actually had the means to support me things would be better. My point is, Maybe sometimes it’s for the best?
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No, not having money doesn’t mean you can’t go to college. My undergrad was primarily paid by federal grants and the pen grants in California. I was a high school drop out and finished a psychology Bachelors from UC Davis.
it's a choice... girls aren't just saying " I'll just be careless and if I get knocked up I'll just get an abortion " It's a very hard choice
Being hard does make it any less wrong.
Some people are like that though...
Some do, I’ve met a few
I understand that it is difficult but that doesn't make it anymore justified unless really rare and special circumstances are brought up.
My sister is like that. She’s gotten pregnant twice and she says she’ll just keep getting abortions if it keeps happening. My mother got 13 abortions her whole life and now at age 50 regrets every single one and being in that position in the first place. A lot of women use abortions as a birth control and some women don’t even care about the life growing inside them so abortions are no big deal as long as they get their life and body back. So many people try to make abortions a “sad for the women” thing. “Oh but it’s so hard on women” no lmao. On a few women it’s hard but 100% they’re thinking about themselves and wouldn’t have it any other way
1:50 brought tears to my eyes.
Maddie Lambert *OMG MADDIE I LOVE YOU and tbh same*
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Does that mean you are pro life?
@@nadiapeterson9620 Apparently.
@@halfdeadminah5857 ew
I hope one day those younger teenagers will realize that sometimes abortion is the best option for some people. A painful option, yes, but sometimes necessary. People need to stop prioritizing an unconscious, unborn, insentient fetus over a living human being. You can be on birth control, condoms, use plan b and still get pregnant. It's not always because of carelessness, because those things don't work 100%. Someone may also have their life in danger because of a pregnancy or may be unfit to care for a child (money, physical health, mental health, etc). Abortion should always be a choice and pro-lifers are ignorant to some of the situations people go through. No one's making you get an abortion. No one looks forward to getting an abortion. Pro-choice is the only logical answer.
Exactly!!!
Abortion is murder. Murderers will go to hell unless they repent and turn to Jesus. Many people don't want there to be God so they can do whatever they want. There is good and evil in the world. Without a God there is no good and evil. Only through Jesus do we have forgiveness of sins that gives us access to eternal life. All one has to do is ask God for forgiveness and that will start a new life. Read the Bible for yourself. Most churches don't teach what the Bible says.
@@amosd8964 no one cares
@Zoey Striker kid your pro murder
@Zoey Striker well I never masturbated and don't support it.
13 years old and pro choice. People will always do it. Better to make it legal and safe.
B U B U L Y N N A same
B U B U L Y N N A if it becomes more convenient and normalized in today’s culture, then that will actually increase the rate of deaths by abortion.
@@yzabellerosales8075 sadly yeah. My communion teacher is pro life, ans while some kids ignore her and call her crazy, she has stong points ans reasons. Hopefully we all take this is a peaceful way.
yzabelle rosales but I ask you: if a child is born to a life with parents who didn’t want them
in a system that won’t help them, is that really a life to live?
It's not safe...have you ever looked up the safety issues with planned parenthood?
I'm pro choice because there's so MANY god awful parents and people who should never be parents. There's also children already in this world suffering and I feel like bringing more people into the world is just something people feel is morally right but isn't practical. "They missed out on life." You have no idea what kind of life that little one would have even had. Growing up in a house it wasn't even wanted or supported or bouncing around foster homes? Its so sad a lot of people say but its so sad when a child is brought up in shitty conditions.
Amanda Hanahan A lot of people had a ruff childhood and unloving parents. Even I was disowned and kicked out of my parent's house. But I'm sure majority of people who grew up in a bad situation are still happy to be alive.
you sound more pro eugenics than pro choice.
Amanda Hanahan so instead of getting rid of child abusers we should get rid of children that could be abused?
Andrea Gaona How are you gonna catch these child abusers?
Love Is INFINITE i would consider myself pro-choice but this is a horrible argument to defend abortion. It puts a bad label on women that we have to abort our child to avoid abusing it.
I'm reading allot of comments saying "I am pro choice because if you have been sexually abused or if you cannot take care of the child you should be able to get an abortion". Why shouldnt ANY reason be a legitimate reason to get an abortion? Nobody gets an abortion because it is fun. Whether that is because they have been sexually abused, they will not be able to support the child, they are too busy with their careers etc. Who are we to judge their reasons for an abortion? And to every one who is plain against abortion: NOBODY is saying you should get one, nobody is forcing you to abort your future child so don't limit another person's choices and HUMAN RIGHTS either.
Life begins at conception, that's a scientific fact. Personhood may arise later, probably when it starts functioning as a multicellular organism; this is when the first heartbeat happens at day 22. How dare you say that it is a human right to end the pace of a human heart? Abortion, specially after personhood, is a barbaric crime.
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Pananima no it's not. it's really not. regardless, women will get abortions, but if it's illegal, the mother is more likely to die.
@sunflower daydreams
Yes, it really is. From the twenty-second day of pregnancy it's impossible to say that it's not human, so you're are killing a human being, that's the definition of murder, and you're murdering a baby. So, yes, it's a barbaric crime.
Pananima if that's what job believe, then wouldn't you rather a baby die peacefully without any knowing of life, or let it live in a potentially unsafe or abusive environment? let it live and grow up wishing it were dead? because most women forced to give birth are not happy, they may potentially abuse the child, they won't love it.
My favorite one is none of your business
Murder is murder. Ain't no feminazi gonna ever change that with wailing about women's rights.
@lia - So you have identified yourself as "pro-murder"...what other SS Nazi beliefs do you hold? I suppose it is your duty to kill paraplegics and people in comas...as a start...or are there special dispensations for those non-functioning living beings? Where is your logic?
Using your ill-informed idea is a sign of ignorance and blindness.
Zygotes are alive and any biologist can inform you that their function is to grow and divide cells and grow, etc. in order to pass on their genes in the future. What makes any of us special or different? Biologists would tell you that your primary function is to pass on your genes as well. Anything else is a pleasant fiction created by our collective subjective reality. For example, organizations, jobs, money, and societies are human inventions - ideas accepted in order to create a "stable social order." They are unknown to humans until they are cultured through propaganda and/or punishment.
Educate yourself as to what is real and what is your non-genetic programming.
Then you have a chance at living a humane life...well, if your brain still can learn and think freely.
There are some extremely hypocritical people out there. I'd prefer people to come up with non-hypocritical responses based on scientific reality, not on pleasant fictions and convenience. If you don't understand my comments, that's society's loss. "Other people's business", or a "Why do YOU care so much?" (as if that was stated in my comments and I'm being nosey!) do not hold water as logical reasons to support arbitrary murder. Isn't that what you are attempting?
Biologists. Talk to some about when life starts (fusion of gametes leads to a living zygote). That is empirical evidence, independent of a human belief system. People who redefine what the word murder includes have to have good reasons. Or not, according to the individual. Bring on the Hunger Games...or death camps.
You used the word "baby"...so you imply it is OK to kill a baby. That just highlights the whole issue. Inert proteins, gametes, zygote, fetus, baby, where is the line? There is a clear line between alive and not alive. Unless you believe the plethora of myths created by other humans and not by nature.
Why do you care enough to post a comment? What business is of yours to interrogate me?
See! We can easily end a conversation via a subjective belief in "human rights" (in this case privacy and ownership), the argument that ironically deprives human rights from one group and privileges another.
Fact 1: "Human rights" were invented by humans, not nature. They are fictional, but a lot of people choose to act as if they exist.
Fact 2: The creation of life exists independently from what happens in peoples' emotion, or thoughts.
Fact 3: Humans have defined killing a living human as murder, itself defined as illegal.
Fact 4: Laws are made only by humans.
Finally, fact 5: Humans live by laws so that societies can exist and large numbers of humans can live in a cooperative and safe manner.
Ask yourself how and why do humans believe in any human-made fictions that guide their lives. It only seems to have led to the species' autodestruction. The agricultural revolution and all that followed is simultaneously splendid and horrid for the whole planet.
The prevention the creation of a living zygote IS NOT AT ALL the same as the act of killing a living zygote.
That's would be ideal for all criminals to use in there line of crime... "Sir did you rob that bank?" .... " none of your business. Nobody has the right to tell me what to do with my finances... My CHOICE"... Baby murderers living amongst us...wonder what else these women are capable of doing and justifying based on there own personal convenience?
literally love this. included women of all skin colors and used both sides to the argument. beautiful
it isn't about the unborn life, it's about the one that is already on earth. but, at the end of the day my opinion doesn't matter because it's a choice. that only the woman carrying the baby gets to make.
Oonagh O' Malley the whole point of the human race is to keep it going just as any other species so you are in fact wrong. the child is supposed to live, not the mother.
Unless it’s after 6 weeks because the baby can feel the physical pain of the abortion so if you choose it the baby should at least go without feeling the pain
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And the mother can keep killing the unborn baby everytime she gets pregnant. Isn't that a sad fact?
The sad thing is a lot of women don’t have a choice, because abortion is illegal in sooo many places
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Major props to all the women who recognize that it's a choice and a right. To the 15 and 16 year old I hope you guys learn that it is a woman's right and choice.
Ainsley Jey not true. Being pro-life has nothing to do with being close-minded nor does it mean they aren't "seeing the light". Are u kidding me? And yes, I'm pro-life and a young adult woman.
Sema Polat In my experience, the majority of pro-life people I've come across are closed-minded and have little to no knowledge of what it means to be pro-choice. For example, I attend a catholic school where all people where pro-choice people are made out to be killers and people who want to kill all babies as a form of birth control. These young women even think that abortions can ultimately cause infertility
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Indeed, we want to be open minded. But you should also be: you should also have an open mind about people who are pro-life or pro-choice. We shouldn't assume people are stupid or ignorant just because of one belief they have, because we can all have such different perspectives and backgrounds. I'm sure if you thought long and hard about this issue you wouldn't want a pro-life person saying that pro-choice people don't understand life or something silly like that.
You're correct, but I didn't say that everyone who is pro-life is closed minded and ignorant. I plainly stated that those were the types of pro-life people I've come across. I have met open-minded pro-life people.
Cool. But I didn't say that you weren't being open minded, just that you should be :) I felt it was important to remind all of us about the importance of being open minded, whether you were being open minded or not, and surely you can't fault me for that :)
The last one made me so mad¡!¡!
Same!
Why? She was simply referring to the women you do not make it a priority to use birth control of any kind and then want to have multiple abortions because they didn't protect themselves from that possibility in the first place. She wasn't being rude about it, every sexually active person, male or female, has to be mature enough to handle the responsibility of protecting themselves from possible std's or unwanted pregnancies.
Michaela Dawkins It's not about that. Abortion is not a choice only to people who has sex with consent but also for people who have been raped. That is why it makes people mad, since she speaks about it like it's someones choice to for example get raped.
***** why?
LjungEmma She was CLEARLY referring to people who have unprotected sex. Don't put words in her mouth acting like she's advocating rape. That's disgusting.
I don’t believe it’s “killing a life”. Every time you have sex without the motive of getting pregnant I could say that you are preventing so many life’s but that’s just not fair.
I don't believe it's "killing a life" because if abortion was 'murder', would masturbation be genocide? Millions of sperm cells die whenever a man masturbates, so by that logic masturbation should be considered murder as well. But of course it's not because men are seen as people and women are not. The whole 'abortion is murder' argument is the result of sexist and misogynist religious practices that basically treat women like objects and not people, and see them as nothing more than baby machines.
b1njjj95 th-cam.com/video/VdHgIspyoJ8/w-d-xo.html go to 25:54
@@1eyeddancer974 Yeah, that video just confirms my argument of how religion sees women as nothing more than baby machines and how society holds double standards for men and women. 🙄 Pregnancy is not a punishment for sex, get over yourself! Lots of women get pregnant whilst using birth control and lots of men stealth during sex and get women pregnant. A lot of rapists impregnate women against their will. So I say this again, *PREGNANCY IS NOT A PUNISHMENT FOR SEX!*
no disrespect but the egg cells are always within the woman’s body, so theres always a chance. using ur logic im assuming anytime we get our period is equal with prevention right? by not having sex ure basically saying that ‘we couldve been pregnant and create lifes if we had sex, but we didnt so we were preventing it’. sex is not always about having a damn baby
b1njjj95 exactly!
one thing i feel is not spoken for often about abortion is the pain the mother goes through. people are so quick to judge women who have had or are having an abortion -- saying they are murderers, and careless, horrible people. but do you know what women go through having abortions? there is so much emotional and physical pain involved. it isn't easy from the start and other peoples' negative and hurtful opinions don't make abortion any bearable for a woman who has had or is having an abortion. and not to mention -- if a woman does have an abortion, it isn't any of your business anyway.
And why? The woman is killing a LIFE, it's murder, and you're saying it's none of the world's business?
So what you are telling me is that they should of just had the baby?
pain the mother goes through i have to laugh at this cos its seemingly only a bunch of cells who cares?If she shows emotion or feels its a tough decision then she knows she is doing wrong.and killing her child.
Abortion is murder. Murderers will go to hell unless they repent and turn to Jesus. Many people don't want there to be God so they can do whatever they want. There is good and evil in the world. Without a God there is no good and evil. Only through Jesus do we have forgiveness of sins that gives us access to eternal life. All one has to do is ask God for forgiveness and that will start a new life. Read the Bible for yourself. Most churches don't teach what the Bible says.
Yep. That’s me one of those woman. Having to read the comments right now.
Abortion is a right and it's not something that should be handled lightly but if any women was to have one I'd be her choice and it should be respected
i dont respect baby killers sorry
the truth and that's your right
So well argued I could shit myself.
Haven Timoney if you kill a baby you go to hell that simple. Pro-hell
N1nj4 Joski so one choice is gonna send you to hell, well in that case I'm gonna be stuck in hell when I die for all the shit I've done but hey it's whatever
These young girls at the being of this video need to be open minded. Just because they probably haven't gone through the situation they need to be okay, because they are basically saying that they dont care if that women has that right or not cause it doesn't effect them. But it might later on and you always want a choice.
Or they would never choose that if the situation arose, not all people who are pro life or who say it is murder are closed minded
Megan Hunn lmao "your opinion opposes mine so i think you should really rethink your position"
Why do you equate being pro-life with close-mindedness?...
Lawl... The whole fuckin world revolves around you doesnt it?
Nah let them go through a hard way, I'd love to see their futures being destroyed by a baby
Most pro-life people think that the woman doesn’t think about the child when she aborts a fetus. But just try and imagine what she’s feeling, why she’s feeling it. Her mind and heart are divided. Abortion is not an easy choice. It takes many sleepless nights and days to make.
Psychologically, it’s the mother who suffers the most.
And if abortion laws are enforced, you do realize that the kid might be born into an environment where she or he gets the feeling that they’re born out of accident and not wanted. It’s something a child should never face.
It’s in the best interest of the child and the mother to give the decision to the mother when she’s pregnant. In this way, neither of them will suffer and hopefully, the child will be reborn into a place where he or she is wanted.
NOTE: If an abortion law does come into effect, then what guarantee is there that people will stop doing it? (They could travel to other countries and have an abortion and come back pretending they’ve never been pregnant or say that they had an accident.)
So it’s best to do it legally and safely in the country they live in
“It’s in the best interest of the child and the mother”
No it’s not. It’s only in the best interest of the mother. You wish that people living in poor and unfavorable environments would be better off dead. What makes you think their life is less valuable, and more importantly, why should you get to decide?
Mrudul Actually pro-life people only think of the kid. Pro-choice people think of it both ways. The giving birth is emotionally, psychologically and physically taxing to the mother.
The adoption and life part is hard on the baby. Not everyone’s lives are all rosy. Especially of adopted children. Several hundred thousands on children are put up at abusive and neglectful homes while others are still waiting to be adopted. It’s the minority of them who actually get a good life.
"Several hundred thousands on children are put up at abusive and neglectful homes"
Who is to blame? Pro-life people? Or irresponsible people making babies when they can barely get by. I get it, it's emotionally painful and what not, especially when you don't have the resources to raise a child. But it's really disingenuous to argue that you care about babies and child abuse and then suggest they'd be better off dead in the same sentence. How about holding people accountable for the "mess" they create for themselves? No matter how much you spin around the subject, making babies is a CHOICE, and so is killing. Abortion should never be a right exactly because it takes away the right of innocent beings for convenience and satisfaction of those who are 100% responsible in most cases.
Mrudul “Making babies is a CHOICE” Not all contraceptives are 100% safe. Some even badly unbalance hormone systems. And what if it’s a rape child? Would you say that it’s a choice?
I agree that if you were irresponsible and had casual sex and didn’t think of using contraceptives, then it’s the fault of the parents, no denying that.
But the thing is rape babies and babies born out of abuse. A woman can’t be forced to carry her rapist’s baby. In those kind of situations I’d want a choice for them. And recently my neighbor had to have an abortion because she had been diagnosed with AIDS. She cried a lot. She wanted to have her baby. But there were high chances of both dying. It was an extremely difficult decision that she had to make.
At the end of the day, everyone has a different opinion and this is a proof of that. I respect your opinion on this matter and I accept it. I understand why you chose to think what you think and accept some of your points. But you need to understand other’s perspectives at the same time and accept their opinion even if you don’t like it.
Mrudul thank u pro life sir. There are 3 million families ready to adopt I want to just go for straight abortion only if it was the baby was going to die or the man was going to suffer.
I am very strongly pro-choice. I think that the choice of killing the person inside of you is terrifying and confusing and scary and one that would never be taken lightly. There are so many reasons a woman would choose to have an abortion and it shouldn't be up to the government and the people who know nothing of your situation to decide that for you. I once read a buzzed post of stories from women who had abortions and some of them were pro-life until they were put in a situation where an abortion was necessary. If I can find the article I'll link it below.
Taylor Sinclair it's fucking buzzfeed. Don't take them seriously.
Brian Leonard Why? Their opinions should be heard too.
I hate BuzzFeed but that doesn't mean that it can't make some good points
There is NO abortion that is necessary. It's a HUMAN life in you.
Maddie Cancino Rape? Incest? What if the baby is going to die either way? Or the mother?
If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. Simple as that. You don't see me trying to take your rights away to not have one. Just consider yourself, if you are pro-life, lucky that you can have child if you want and aren't forced to get an abortion just because you didn't meet a certain standard of parenting. Wouldn't it be horrible if you were forced to get an abortion? Yup, just the same the other way around.
The left which loves abortion is also for restricting the 2nd amendment year after year. So you are wrong the left has been trying to change the Bill of Rights while at the same time defending the murder of children. They will then convince themselves that they are "the good educated people" (yea with liberal arts degrees).
james commie how does the 2nd amendment correspond with abortion. you never know what a women is going through for her to get an abortion and it is no ones business
james commie Art degree? As a democrat, I'm getting my undergraduate degree in biochemistry because I'm going into med school next year, where I will become an OB/GYN. I will be taking into account women's health and their reproductive issues. I'll be facing women who can barely support themselves, and others who have been trying to have children for years. I don't know why your ignorant ass had to bring politics into this situation. Abortion isn't a matter of politics, it's a matter of understanding. If you love your precious guns so much, how about we make getting a gun like getting an abortion. Make the buyer drive alone, four hours to some town in the middle of nowhere, make there be a 48 hour waiting period, and when you enter into the gun shop, let there be dozens of people intimidatingly standing there with signs of their family members who were killed on accident or on purpose with a gun. As a man, you have no place to tell WOMEN what they can do with their bodies. You are incredibly ignorant and sheltered to what women go through already, and now you want to take even more from us?
***** Exactly, if you don't want and abortion don't have one, but don't tell others that they can or cannot have one. Of course, slavery is a totally different circumstance that was happening over 150 years ago, and the rights that they had were very much limited and quite different to the modern rights of women' bodies that I was referring to.
Grace Stelmaschuk are you kidding me!?! owning a human being is completely different then a women's reproductive parts. wtf is your logic here.
I haven't watched the video but I would say, Abortion: Choice.
TheHoliestPanda Oh you're in the majority then.
AzureSteel beign the majority is not beign on the right side
***** And being in the minority doesn't automatically make you correct either.
***** neither it's the wrong side
My mom got pregnant when she was 19 some people told her to abort me but she didnt, she did not make the easy choice,im proud her she is a brave woman not like some people who are cowards
Why not have the same interview but from a males perspective
Imma Alpaca that would actually be really interesting to watch. No one ever asks for a man’s opinion about abortion because they don’t think this matter affects them. But of course they have an opinion, they must have an understanding of it-so why not?
@Heather Anderson Yep, selfish degenerate whores. Their punishment will be swiftly served.
@Sasukes Duck Butt Hair Your logic: "You can't be against killing puppies until you've adopted all thr puppies." Try a real argument.
Beef Stew ok but it still is a life, the baby is just in a really early stage of development
Beef Stew so yes it is still murder
If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. I've never understood the knowledge and reasoning behind wanting to make abortions illegal. Don't have an abortion if it goes against your personal views (which are fine!), and don't force your views on others. If someone has an abortion 100km away from you, it has no effect on you whatsoever.
It's not "liberal logic" it's common sense.
Haha my god you all are stupid...What countries are you from. I can take one guess.
+Marauder131 Yeah, and if Genocide happens 100km away from you, it has no effect on you either. Let's all just not give a fuck about anything and just live our cozy little lives.
At oZ abortion =/= murder
Noah Roller yes because everyone else is a zygote potentially ruining lives. if you really want to make abortion illegal and paint it as the truest act of evil. than I hope you're willing to put in the money to pay for it. pregancy costs thousands upon thousands of dollars. poor women, young women, old women, alone women are always being told "just have the baby you murderer" when having a baby can literally damage the rest of that persons life.
with unwanted pregancy comes bills. for the prenatal care, the doctor visits, the hospital stay, the surgery, the painkillers. not to mention the after costs. like perscription medication and therepy for the woman who knew they had a genetic chance of postpartum depression and was still forced to have a baby.
what about the one that was forced to carry depite the high chance of mortality? who paying for their funeral? their babies funeral?
or what of the job that person lost because they couldnt wok pregnant. whos gonna pay the electric bills? not the government. not you. who?
what about the person who just lost their house? whos gonna pay for their baby?
just give it up for adoption? yeah whos gonna pay for everything before then?
it's a choice because not everyone is mentally, physically, or financially able to be pregnant. abortion is not this world of 16 year old girls on their 15th abortion saying "lmao stacy i love unsafe sex i just want another abotion lololol."
do you really not trust women to the point where you have to dictate how capable they are making the healthiest choice for themselves?
do you really think women are all so stupid that they think abortions are candy that they can just get?
do you really think women cant be trusted with their own lives?
abortion is necessary at times. and its not up to you or me to look anyone in the eye and tell what they should do.
believe it or not. not all women are dingbats incapable of logical reasoning. they can make their choices without the outide stigmas.
i'm prochoice, for the baby and the mom, imagine not being able to support that child, it all comes down to the baby or soon to be fetus, and prochoice means what's best for the baby, and the baby needs decent living coniditions
Kaitlyn Lee Thats pretty reasonable
its scary that one baby changes your life forever and you only get one chance at life. Also your life is put on hold for 18 years or so and then in no time the chance to do what you want would be limited
What about the dad
Yeah no. Killing the baby isn't what's "best for it". That's just oxymoronic.
Kaitlyn Lee that's what adoption is for :P
I have been struggling between Pro Life and Pro Choice and I have finally decided that even though I do not like abortion, I think it should stay legal because it's none of my business and I see many reasons why women would choose to. Some were raped, might have health problems because of the fetus, and so forth. I do not know the full story so who am I to judge? I'm sure it's a tough decision for women to make.
I will say ask this. Why is it that usually people who want to make abortion illegal are the same ones who think the government should not provide them any assistance? To me calling yourself a Pro Life but hate giving support is a huge contradiction.
I will say that we need to forget about this abstinence only and start teaching safe sex. I mean if they want to teach people how to abstain then fine but include safe sex in it because if people learn how to use condoms, birth controls, and other safety options, this would reduce number of pregnancies. This also means number of abortions would drop. This is also one of the reason you should stand with Planned Parenthood whether you are Pro Life or Pro Choice!
And how many of you honestly have sex for the sole purpose of having a child? I mean as in you will never ever have sex unless it's to have a child! This is why we should encourage safe sex! Abstinence only is a load of bs because it's a huge failure!
+TheHRchannel there are extreme cases of course. don't step over to that side and have that support on your conscience...it's not solely a woman's right just because she carries the child and goes through the pain of it. the choice stops at having sex. there's always a probability of becoming preg. and everyone knows thatit's a matter of faith in God. are we held responsible for going against God (extreme cases excluded) just because we don't believe He exits. the lines are truly being drawn more clear as we try to politicize and compromise the issue. it's a matter of faith in God.
+9432515 I think that if men were able to get pregnant, they'd see it from a whole different perspective. This whole "keep your leg closed" argument doesn't work. Just about EVERYONE has sex for the reason they want to feel pleasure. That's why we have birth control, condoms, and so on. However, if I've learned anything, it's that prohibiting something only makes matter worst. Women will have them anyways but they might do it through unsafe procedures.
I don't agree with abortion on a personal level but I think that it's still a woman's choice to make. Maybe if more boys would man up and take care of their kid when they get their girlfriend pregnant then less abortion would happen! These mothers do not want their kids to live a terrible life!
TheHRchannel
" I think that if men were able to get pregnant, they'd see it from a whole different perspective"
probably, I do agree, but that's beside the point. if it's a baby in there why does it matter who suffers the most carrying him/her? it doesn't. that is a perspective literally one-sided and completely selfish, obviously. just because the woman holds the reigns doesn't give her the rights to another life she had part in creating.
"This whole "keep your leg closed" argument doesn't work. "
I don't thinks it's about that at all...it's about fessing up to being an adult. Have all the sex you want, but understand there is a definite risk you may get preg. no one has to tie things up...
"...if I've learned anything,it's that prohibiting something only makes matter worst. Women will have them anyways but they might do it through unsafe procedures. "
it's not like buying cigarettes under aged...this is terminating a human being. if this causes individuals to seek out alternate means...what are those numbers? they aren't high. they wont use coat hangers...that's ridiculous. maybe some will go out of the country or have then in underground...the procedures mostly pill form. it is still going to save lives.
"Maybe if more boys would man up and take care of their kid when they get their girlfriend pregnant then less abortion would happen! These mothers do not want their kids to live a terrible life!"
yes...I do agree. there are many, many single mom's that make it though. there is tons of help for people in that situation too. this is the USA...it sucks to raise a child alone, I know, but that's not any good reason and def. no right to kill a child.
"These mothers do not want their kids to live a terrible life!""
extremely lame excuse, but people given that idea that 'they have an authority with their own bodies' take and will actually use this excuse. we have it soo good here in the states. people in other nations would kill to be here.
wow, you actually made an unbiased to the left video, Cut. well done.
still biased
@Junk Email huh
The left is better so it's ok to be slightly biased towards them
“It’s none of your business”
TUUH YEAH RIGHT 🙄
I was a fetus it is my business
Marcia Osullivan SAME! But many other reasons including the fact that science factually proves it’s a life and respecting the fundamental right of existence!
She doesn’t sound very tolerant of other people’s beliefs her name is Erin by the way look in the description and all their names are in there
Coco Taveras exactly! I will never ever be for abortion.
its my bussinees because my mum was wrongly accussed of having a abortion i was bullied
Choice. It's not mine to take away. It's not anyone's to take away.
Life. It's not yours to take away. It's not anyone's to take away.
@@NoahSRussell It's not a life until it's born.
Literary Scientists would disagree
@@NoahSRussell It's not a proper human being until its separate from the body. My body my choice. Life sucks, but there is pleasure. The state of non-existence or being naive enough (fetus), and letting it die (which isn't the same as killing), is much better than realizing there is even a slight chance of going to hell (any religion), and spending a lot of life worrying. The only life that should be born is one with no pain at all.
@Himanshu Pant Yes I do believe that now that a foetus is a person. I however am still pro-choice. No one has the right to give you pain for 9 months, rip you open, and potentially harm you for the rest of your life. Just because you had consent to sex doesn't mean you consent to pregnancy is like saying just because you're friends with someone you have to donate an organ.
I think the trouble lies with people wanting a solid, singular truth.
Either pro-choice or pro-life. I think instead the focus should lie on circumstance, as it's pretty obvious both sides have reason. :)
You are totally right!
There is no middle ground between life and death. That's why there are two sides.
RevucumberTechUSA there's no absolut truth, sometimes things are grey not black or white
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Life and death is black and white. There is no middle ground. Like I said before.
RevucumberTechUSA i think the middle is being in a coma
Scary, painful, confusing, sad, unfortunate. But still a choice to make or not to make just the same.
ricky roach Rape is also a major inconvenience innit? There’s a lot of double standards to abortion. 43 said it best. It’s confusing.
Kristen Couch why is it sad or unfortunate? Isn’t it just a fetus and part of the mother’s body? If that’s true it’s not sad or unfortunate at all. It’s no different than removing an appendix.
black cat black cat Jesus your in every comment section. YOU CAN NOT TELL OTHER WOMEN WHAT THEY AND CANT DO WITH THEIR BODIES, PERIOD. you’re entitled to your own opinion and that’s fine but stop trying to control women! You’re choosing something that doesn’t even know it’s alive over the actual living breathing being. You can feel whatever you want about abortion but it’s people like you that are making abortions illegal. Wanna know what happens when abortions become illegal? The abortions don’t stop, the SAFE abortions stop. Meaning not just the fetus but there’s a huge change the woman will also die. Making abortion Illegal is WRONG!
black cat black cat
My point is that it still happens. There are cases when abortions should be legal in my honest opinion because events like that should not happen. Do you honestly expect someone who was forcefully impregnated to have to go through a pregnancy? In my personal experience I would not.
I don’t think all abortion should be legal, but in some circumstances it should be.
black cat black cat If women will go to such lengths to get an abortion, risking their own life in places where it isn’t legal do you really think the fetus has more rights than her? Who’s going to take care of this child when it’s born? Not you I assume. The foster system will. Do you know what happens to foster kids? They’re abused, raped, etc. That abuse and rape will cause more abortions! You aren’t helping anyone by trying to save a fetus, in fact you’re probably setting this future child up for misery.
Abortion is not a yes or no answer which is why it is such an argued topic
@Pls WaLuigi Dom Me
No, abortion is immoral, it is as immoral as murder, and it shouldn't be practiced. However, in very specific and very unusual cases, abortion is the preferred medical procedure. These are: maternal life/health, fetal defects and maybe rape.
@Lethal Dose Of Adderall So I assume you're abstinent. Right? You will never have sex right? Even if you're a guy? Because it takes two to tango.
@Presley S.
He's probably saying that because he's Christian and he doesn't approve contraceptives like condoms, which is ridiculous, but you cannot justify abortion because "it takes two to tango", you have to practice safe sex always no matter what, if you like to tango without protection then stick to the consequences, whether it is an STD or pregnancy.
He said if you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex. Meaning women shouldn't have sex considering they're the only ones getting pregnant. So, in saying that it takes two to tango and men shouldn't have sex either under that logic. I'm asking if he too doesn't have sex.
So you missed the point a bit.
Abortion is a choice and a right. For a lack of a better word, it is a necessary evil. It's a difficult decision to make and is never taken lightly. It's an emotional roller coaster filled with shoulda coulda wouldas. At the end of the day, only you can make that choice for yourself. No one else is living your life and no one else will be helping you pay your bills.
Blair Mulzac thank you! it is definitely a necessary evil!!!! Best words to put it.
Blair Mulzac Mabye it's an emotional roller coaster because deep down you understand abortion is nothing more than the killing of an innocent human being.
fouroverseven Anyone with a conscience would be up in knots about making a choice such as that. It's a choice. It's knowing that you had sex, unintentionally got pregnant and now you know damn well that you are not capable if caring for a child. Choosing abortion is the lesser of 2 evils. Unless you are willing to support every unplanned baby you can not lay claim to someone else's uterus. My body, my choice.
Blair Mulzac No one would force a mother or father to raise a child they're not prepared to. They could simply give that child to someone who is able through adoption.
I don't know how you could ever call killing an innocent human being a "lesser evil."
There are plenty of people out there willing to adopt supposedly "unwanted" newborns, so there's no reason to abortion for that reason.
"My body, my choice." What about the unborn's right to their body, specifically the right not to be dismembered?
fouroverseven Adoption is easy to say and much harder to do. If so many people were able to adopt children within this country, why do they go to other continents to adopt? There are so many children that are in the foster care system that are being shuffled from place to place and never find a home and the trauma that they go through while being stuck in the system.Not once did you say that you were willing to support someone else's unplanned baby.
"If people weren't so careless with their sexuality they wouldn't need so many them"
First of all, sexuality is what gender(s) you are attracted to...
Second of all, yeah how about we make birth control more available and sex-ed have more requirements
Actually the woman’s use of the word is correct. And to quote planned parenthood’s website, “condoms are usually inexpensive and can even be free. They’re often available at planned parenthood, family planning clinics, your local health department, community health centers, college health centers, or your doctor’s office.”
I 100% agree we need better sex education programs in this country and perhaps your comment is an unfortunate example of that. I certainly got terrible sex ed. As a pro-lifer with a sex-positive standpoint, I’m supportive of these things. I would even whole heartedly support planned parenthood if it wasn’t for the small portion of their services that go towards abortions. But with the Internet, sex positive media, and measures to make contraception widely available, it is pretty easy to make responsible choices when it comes to sex.
it's mind-numbing how incorrect all of your statements are. her useage of the word is indeed correct.
Queen Katara what about rape
You can get condoms for free at any hospital, sexual health clinic, and other medical service providers in your community.
Ndndhcjrd Generally speaking, you can assume that most pro-life arguments are not applied to severe circumstances like rape and when the mother will die or something else extreme like that. However, I will elaborate on my thoughts on it.
Rape makes up as high as 1% and as low as .3% of all abortions (I’ve seen varying stats on it, but the 1% is unfortunately the most widely accepted stat). The remaining 99% of abortions or higher are the result of consensual sex and 92% of all abortions are for purely social reasons. Saying that most abortions are the result of ignorance or lack of caution in sex is unfortunately true.
For abortions in the case of rape, I’m not encouraging but I am understanding of women who receive them. In any case, if having the baby will cause severe long term effects on a woman’s physical or mental health, I understand if she got one. I understand if it’s hard for a woman to carry around a reminder of her trauma. It’s not necessarily the fetus’s fault, but I understand.
That being said, I would advise any rape victim to head to their nearest drugstore and get plan b which is available over the counter in all 50 states no ID required. It takes several days for the sperm to reach the egg and plan B prevents contraception from happening (it’s not an abortion as some uneducated or purely religious based pro-lifers claim). Plan B taken up 72 hours after the sex is up to 89% effective. If taken in the first 24 hours, it’s up to 95% effective. I would never shame a woman who still got an abortion because of how traumatic the experience can be or maybe they weren’t sure what happened, but there still is a solution even if abortion becomes illegal.
1:28 Wow, it's so crazy how just the look on her face shows how many bad things she's been through.
Ur pfp looks like pain lol
A choice and not the business of anybody else than the mother herself
caty LO And the father
Then she is no mother
@@taylorr.2275 Yeah like that's the whole point some people don't wanna be 😂
@@Kihsgy you can't call someone aborting a "mother". Just pointing that out
@@taylorr.2275 Agreed because there is no baby just cells so there is nothing to be the mother of
if pro-life people really gave a shit about life, they'd understand how detrimental putting another child into the foster care system is. they'd open up their own homes to the babies that children and rape victims and the financially unsound have been forced to keep and give birth to. they'd understand that the life of the mother is a life already pulled to fruition, more valuable than that of a thing that hasn't.
1) Every pro-life person I've met cares very deeply about orphans, rape victims, and mothers in financial crises. So much so that they create charities, clinics, and resources specifically for them. They often do, in fact, "open up their own homes."
2) The state of our nation's foster care system is something that needs to be addressed, but it really has no bearing on the morality or immorality of abortion.
3) The mother is indeed alive, and so is the child in her womb. They are equal in value, because all human beings are equal in value - no matter our race, class, sexual orientation... or age.
sorry, but a bundle of stem cells is not worth the same as a human life--the potential for life, for a better life, applies equally in this situation. if a fourteen year old child has a baby, what standard of living do you think either can expect? and if pro-lifers are so willing to open up their homes, where are mitt romney's ten adopted children and local welfare programs? what major pro-life project has been funding the education and empowerment of young single mothers? pro-lifers don't give a shit about anyone but themselves, and seek to claim ownership over bodies they don't deem worthy enough for proper care in the first place.
next.
But do you understand the opportunity of someone who was born what if ABRAHAM LIMCON WASNT
Dank Meme Abraham "Limcon"? Are you joking?
So fucking killl themmm
As a survivor of rape, I feel the need to tell the woman at the end that abortions are not just for those who are careless in their sex lives. I was attacked at 13 and I could've died during labor because of how small I was. If I was impregnated, I would've had to have gotten an abortion. It is a woman's right.
The Geeky Pinup finally
I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope that your right to choose is protected.
I was raped at 15 and it did result in a pregnacy abortion never crossed my mind abortion is never okay
+Right Republican it still isnt your place to tell what she deserves or not. If a person wants a baby or not. Thats completely up to them. Amd its not your buisness. If you dont ever want to get an abortion. Then dont. Just dont question others. You dont get that choice. They do.
+Zoey Deal just cause it didnt cross your mind. it doesnt mean abortion is not okay. its their choice. Their body. Their womb. Their uterus. its up to them. Just cause you didnt get a abortion. Doesnt mean that she doesnt need to get it. Its her choice to what to do with it.
Before I was born, a lot of my mom’s friends didn’t want me to be here. My mom was told at 22 that she can’t have children, then 6 years later she became pregnant with me. At 16 weeks, the doctors told her that there was a high chance of me having Down syndrome, because I had a two vessel umbilical cord. My mom decided to keep me, and I don’t have Down syndrome at all.
You know what that means right? ✨Choice✨ her choice to keep or abort
@@Kihsgy and if her mother made the wrong choice we'd have no comment to respond to because she would have been killed before she had a chance to live. Dont give a fuck about your uterus, but I do think that killing babies should not be legal for people who just accidentally end up pregnant at least
@@JanisFever well this response was a major L to women who have been raped
praise God
@@Kihsgy Yes I’m aware
If abortion was illegal,l women would never have the same moral rights as men. Abortion: Choice, none of your business.
"Moral". Definitely the wrong word to use saying that the taking of an innocent life is in face, immoral.
Meg Louise what about the unborn omg you are killing life basically you are murderer
Ah yes. Ill keep this fetus that I didn't want but got raped and forced to have.. Yay.
you can give that child to adoption and make a couple happy
Why should somebody go through the pain of giving birth for something she does not want. The chance of death from giving birth is 14 times of that an abortion. Its a womens body and she has every right to do what she wants.
The potential life of a unborn child does not trump the life of an already existing human!
The world is overpopulated as is so why would you encourage bringing another unwanted child into this cruel world?
There are more important things to worry about then non-existing individuals and forcing women to have them.
SomeHowSomeOne So overpopulation is the reason we should allow for abortion? Why not forced sterilization or euthanasia?
SomeHowSomeOne So overpopulation is the reason we should allow for abortion? Why not forced sterilization or euthanasia?
fouroverseven
Because you can't force people to do something they don't want with THEIR bodies!
Argumentative fallacies:
excluded middle (or false dichotomy): considering only the extremes. Many people use Aristotelian either/or logic tending to describe in terms of up/down, black/white, true/false, love/hate, etc. (e.g., You either like it or you don't. He either stands guilty or not guilty.)
SomeHowSomeOne You do not have an unlimited right to do whatever you like with your body, especially if it could hurt someone else. Look, an unborn baby did not ask to be put into his/her mother's uterus-they were put there without a choice. Where's their right to their body... especially the right not to be dismembered?
fouroverseven Infants are incapable of thought. They don't know they exist. They don't even really exist yet.
So the mother is the only one that can/should decide.
Abortion: Killing a human. Stripping a human of the most important right (in my opinion anyway); the right to life. Difficult. Controversial. Complex. No matter how difficult the circumstances/life is, I don't believe the taking of an innocent life is justifiable. Unless that child(/fetus/embryo) is threatening the mother's life, then I don't think she has the choice to kill (the only exception being self defense, as described). And I certainly don't think having the choice to end an innocent, defenseless life (sometimes in horribly gruesome and inhumane ways) is a woman's right, or anyone's right; even if the life is inside your body (I don't think location determines whether you have the right to life). Pro-Life.
Pro choice is WINNING and and pro life is LOSING. As far as I'm concerned we need more abortions QUICKER, BETTER, and easier 👍🏻
MrYlad The child, if it cannot feel pain, if it hasn't even got the brain to want to live, is just a bag of flesh. As long as it's done before pain can be caused, then there is nothing wrong. Just attempting to preserve life is groundless.
*****She can give it up for adoption or kill it and goto jail for 1st degree murder
Because if she got raped who gives a fuck after that?
***** Yes, that "child" could/would be a reminder of the "horrific experience" they went through. But, is the fact that this child is a "reminder" of it the experience enough to justify killing it? Take this example; a man called Mike has [raped] Sarah, a mother. Mike's son goes to Sarah's kids' school. Every time Sarah sees Mike's son when she collects her kids from school etc, he is a ''reminder'' of the horrible experience. Does this mean she has the right to kill him? Mike's son is entirely innocent; why should he suffer for his father's horrible actions.
The same goes for the child of a rapist, why should anyone have the choice to kill that innocent, defenseless, voiceless child just because his father has raped his mother? Why should the child recieve the 'death penalty' for his father's crime?
As for the pain of the mother; I don't believe any amount of pain or suffering gives you the right to take the life of an innocent, defenseless person.
just smth about prolifers just piss me off like. sometimes it isnt a gift. sometimes it wasnt ue choice.
I was meant to be aborted and I’m glad I wasn’t.
Same, but, i'm pro choice
My mom got pregnant with me when she was 19. It was not a rape. She was being completely careless and didn't use contraception. I am a mistake. According to her, my dad's side of the family wanted to get an abortion (my dad was only 18) but my mom didn't want to. She suffered an awful pregnancy with next to no support, and giving birth to me practically ruined her life. She has very little money to support me and my half sister (also a mistake) and she never finished college. Now she abuses my mentally and emotionally. She calls me horrible names, cusses me out every 2 minutes about dumb stuff, and tells me she doesn't want me around her. I feel like she hates me. Honestly she should have just aborted me. It wasn't worth it.
@@e01apslsk yeah but i really don't want to be
@@divabooger7116 aw, thanks ❤ i've still got a few years before i can take off, but i plan to be a much more responsible young adult than she was. And my sister can come too
klikbate *Well I’m hoping you succeed through that process and all your dreamss!💕💕💕*
@@divabooger7116 thank you, that means a lot to me
It must be so hard for the women how have had an abortion. It's a hard decision for all the women. Especially on the type of situation everyone goes through different things. It's a women's right..
@ThatRandomYTGamer I really don’t want to hear ur opinion when the person could have been r@ped and doesn’t have the money to take care of it what about like
My word: Conflicting.
I had a pregnancy scare almost one month ago, I had only two choices. It was heartbreaking. I wasn't pregnant, but to know my limited options.. it hurt so badly. I had 3 days to think about it before I got my period, and those three days only revolved around my 2 options..
@Sarathesimmer Sarathesimmer It's terrible having to choose between two options that seem equally wrong and painful.
why i’m pro choice:
yes, i have heard stories of women whose children motivate them. but imagine being a child born into a life of poverty, crime, addiction, homelessness, or many more struggles that people face on a daily basis. in my opinion, it is much worse for an infant to grow up severely malnourished, cold, neglected, and/or abused, or floating through the foster care/adoption system. newborns do not have the strength to live in these conditions. if the mother knows that she will not be able to offer a good (keep in mind, the definition of ‘good’ is different for everyone - i am not just implying wealth here) life to her child, then it is entirely her choice to abort the pregnancy.
people also forget about victims of sexual assault. if a woman is raped and impregnated, that child could be a constant reminder of the trauma and suffering she had to go through. and nearly every time a woman is impregnated by rape, she is nowhere near if the age where she feels ready to raise a child.
I've been seeing that argument a lot. Just know that's a illogical way of thinking. Everyone has good and bad experiences in their life. Why do rich people have such a high suicide rate? Especially when they don't have to worry about the horrors you mention like poverty and addiction. You say it has nothing to do with wealth but I know that's what it comes down to.
Also why do you mention rape in such a misleading way? Rape AND INCEST (both) make up only 1.5% of abortions. Why don't you or any pro abortion people mention that nuance? Seems like you're more interested in feelings over facts. Also excluding the misleading tone of your second paragraph you forgot only 5% of rape victims get pregnant (women of reproductive age) Again you ignore facts and try to mislead and paint with a broader brush.
Look these propaganda networks aren't interested in telling you the truth they just want to abort as many as possible. So they can make money. Ever wonder why abortions have been going down overall but Planned Parenthood's number of abortions are going up they're trying to dominate this huge market. Do you not know how the evil work? They eat their own and start to turn on each other. Most pro life people are too scared to blame the women but I do without them going to the clinic the abortion won't happen. These soft belly pro lifers are to scared too say the truth so they get picked on and bullied by the sluts.
They always say the same thing you're judging right? Not judging just don't want blood to shed.
Any excuse to kill
What if, what if, what if
So because this life would ve hard they don't deserve to exist? Homeless, poor, and abused individuals should've been aborted? Go only rich people deserve to live? This is the stupidest argument ever in my opinion.
@@justanotherweirdo11 bruh the point she is trying to make is the life that the person will be born into is unpredictable... so therefore terminating the pregnancy eliminates that uncertainty. There is always still a chance that It can have a bad life. And plus the"baby" is a clump of cells. It is cellular life not human life. It is not sentient and cannot feel pain and will not have a recollection of anything happening to it.
@@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 and why don't you bring up the stat the most abortions happen within the first trimester and only 1.2% happen within the second...
It upsets me that these women against abortion didn't bring up the possibility that some women, who get abortions, were raped and whether the child would have suitable living conditions after they are born. Even if the mother doesn't want the child, it would be extremely hard to give the child up for adoption after they are a tangible person, not just something in your body. It is not as simple a subject as it seems.
Yeah 1 percent being raped reasons...
Have you ever heard of adoption?
+Sneaker Head a lot of kids in the system age out with no family or develop issues from mental Illnesses or abuse. Or they could be taken into a loving home but there's always a risk you're setting someone up for failure
deja smith Hopefully they are being cared for (by for example orphanages).
+Sneaker Head Have you heard of involuntary miscarriages?
“keep the baby and then give it up for adoption”
Yeah then let the cells grow into a child that will most likely live a miserable life and likely never have a family
Alayna Brown not true! I'm adopted so is my older sister. My pastor at church just got done adopting his 3&4 children. They have officially adopted 4 kids now. Another lady at my church has adopted two kids and had some of their own. My oldest sister has adopted a little boy, she's also a single mother who has three kids now. A lot of people want to adopt, including myself and all of my siblings (there are five of us). And I wasn't adopted after birth, I was just around 10 years old and my life has been honesty quite great.
Monique Castelli I feel genuinely happy for you. But unfortunately that’s not eh case for everyone. I’ve seen many children put up for adoption just being shuffled from home to home and it just breaks my heart
@@devinchoc6122 Just kill em instead, easy.
yeah, job done
not all cases
what might be your motor and biggest blessing could tear up somebody else’s life. respect others and their individual lives and choices.
How the heck does a child destroy someones life? That's probably the most selfish thing I've ever heard. That's crazy!
You need to reconsider that. Deciding whether to kill a baby or not is ridiculous. Abortion is straight up murder. And GOD is not happy about millions of his children being murdered.
FREDERICK AGEDA God isn’t real and even if he was religion should be separated from law.
@@oinkment802 Trust me, I'm telling you he's real. Won't be long now, til he comes. And I'm warning you, you will regret rejecting him.
FREDERICK AGEDA Mhm okay buddy 👍
“The person that doesn’t have a voice” perhaps because it doesn’t have any conscious thought babes.
Ur gross
You were that small and defenseless one too, its ok if you're pro choice but please don't minimise it.
But you can? Can't you? ,You do understand the concept of time, that clump of cells is what will become a human capable of thought, it isn't just something that doesn't change with time and will stay constant through out it's life.
@@stephaniapaul2901 a baby is small and defenceless. A clump of cells is as alive as the other cells on my body, the trees in the forest and bacteria. All of those things are living things. Pls take you’re religion and shove it so far up your ass it knocks sense into you
@@princemachiavelli6570 yes and when it has that conscious thought it’s is a human child. Until then it’s really not. That is why you can’t abort children once they’re children. An apple is not an Apple when it is a seed is it? Yes natural progression is part of life but in general we do not categorise things as what they will grow into but rather what they are in that very moment. Use your brain sometimes.
Unfortunate is a good way to put it
Liz Mowrey a good way to put it is murder is wrong and murdering a baby is definitely wrong so nobody should have an abortion
NK/ MK I partially agree with her. You can still get pregnant even when wearing condoms and using birth control. Life is unpredictable and even when you are prepared, sometimes it still doesn’t work.
Khalilah Anderson no it's quite predictable but very rarely that might happen, in rare cases
Selam: I love you Jesus Christ would you wanna be born and just put in a foster home where you could end up living a sad life?
NK/ MK I'm athiest
Being fertile is kind of a female curse, depending on the situation. 😐
If you are 13 years old and pregnant, don’t tell me you HAVE to keep the baby
KQ K yes you can get pregnant as soon as you get your first period which can be as early as 8
well if you w felt grown up enough to have sex you must feel grown up enough to have a baby
pamela bibby and if they were raped or molested? What then?
deliever the baby and give it up for adoption then
@@karmen3652 why would you force a child to go through unwanted pregnancy and giving birth? Abortion is needed
I'm pro abortion. I'm a teenage girl and I know I would get an abortion if I got SAd. I wouldn't want a baby as a "consequence", rather a well thought out choice. And I don't believe a 70 year old man should decide what I would do with a baby I birthed.
People are more concerned about a life that didn’t start more than people dying every day because of war, because of abuse, because of the hate we have for each other...
@black cat black cat THEY AREN'T SUFFERING. THEY CAN'T SUFFER. THEY CAN'T THINK. THEY CAN'T FEEL. THEY HAVE NO MEMORIES.
every life counts. not just the ones outside the womb.
@depressed egg Just cause they dont speak you do anything doesnt mean its nothing. guess how you were born? Before you were the same thing. No thoughts, no senses, no feelings, no memories, and now your beyond that. ending a life means a lot. many things could change. even if you couldnt take care of the baby, just adopt him/ her.
@f a t u m a haha funny, ur a clump of cells too
@Tomás Right
For the people who say abortion is wrong is stupid I'm not saying it right but its a females choice if she doesn't feel ready than she can take the abortion route
Jermaine Oree so what is the baby fault to die? no matter what the situation no one deserve to be killed
if I ever was raped and became pregnant I would give birth to the baby. The baby is another human being. Just because it has to grow inside of another person people think that the carrier the woman has a right to kill the growing human inside her. A life is a life no matter if they are 1 year of age one week of age or 23 years of age. Just because they are not able to express anything inside of a woman we think it's okay to kill them. If you don't want to raise the baby and be a mom then give the baby up for adoption so they can have their right at life and be happy with a family who loves them. How would you feel if your parents got an abortion? U wouldn't be here. You had the blessing of being born. Every baby conceived whether it be a product of rape, incest, a loving married couple, teenagers, etc. are human being that are not the mother. It's their life. The mom has no right to kill that human being. Simply my opinion. I respect everyone's opinion on this matter as I see other points of view. But if I respect yours respect mine. Thank you.
***** And no one deserves to be forced to through with a pregnancy.
you can give the baby in adoption and the couple paids you for all the pregnancy plus they give extra money and everyone is happy abortion its a coward choice
JELIFISH19 i see your point... but the baby has no right to be killed. 9 months of pregnancy poor woman.. lol we care more about a woman having to go through less than a year of carrying a baby than a lifetime of human life.?? "All babies deserve to be borned." - Juno (the asain girl)
Everyone has their own reasons.
1:30 the only one I could agree with
GOOD, FUCK mothers that choose to get their children killed. since when do we care about murderer's feelings? and no, in cases where the mother's life is probably at risk it isn't murder, just like self defense isn't murder.
@@Andrew-th8jk what about women who are raped, we shouldn’t force them to keep there child. Every situation is different.
@@jazminemcmahon5366 does the way in which the child was conceived make its life less valuable? NO. Fundamentally, it would be killing because of emotions, how come we never pity all of the other murderers and serial killers, do you know what has to go through their mind before they even think about killing someone? How come you hate those people and think their actions are not ok? I wouldn’t mind having something like programs where the mothers are provided for until the child is ready, when they can choose to give them in to adoption or keep them, maybe even have the rapist pay HEAPS of child support after he is castrated, if they can prove it was rape.
@@Andrew-th8jk you realise a fetus has no feelings it can’t feel anything and it isn’t even developed enough to no it’s alive, however going out and killing a sentient being, who has an actual life and can feel pain is nothing like getting an abortion, your logic is extremely off, and being in a traumatising experience like rape would be hard enough to go through they don’t need to now suffer or be at potential risk of now dying because they were raped and impregnated against there own will, you can’t be so upset about someone deciding to have an abortion, if you don’t care about women who are pinned down and raped by random people against there own will, and then your gonna make the women suffer for it and force them to keep a child that would be a constant reminder of the time they were raped, not only that imagine that child growing to realise there father is literally a rapist and the only reason there on this earth is because a man had no self control and decided to rape and traumatise there mums life, and the mother would of probably been happier if they were never even born, please just think about other people’s lives before going and commenting something like this, btw i know that you technically are killing a life when having an abortion, how ever your not killing a baby, and your not killing a sentient being, it’s the same as stepping on a flower, there alive however there nothing like actual sentient beings, would you say people who have stepped on flowers or picked flowers murderers, no you wouldn’t. yes embryos obviously develop into a sentient being over time, but during the time the embryo is terminated it isn’t a sentient being, therefore people who have had an abortion are not murderers
@@jazminemcmahon5366 everybody uses this argument when in reality rape and incest cases are an extreme minority of abortion cases. People who went through get should get abortion rights and rapists should get castrated or killed. End of story
None of them pissed me of until that last lady. I'm respectful of people's choices as long as you don't judge the person by how many people they've slept with
Jenni Murphy She didn’t say that, there’s nothing wrong with sleeping with people, but it’s stupid not using protection
@@user-rp3kn4pr5j she doesn't mention use of protection either tho
She says "careless with their sexuality"
nerd pusheen That’s what she meant though
@@user-rp3kn4pr5j Maybe it was what she meant, but definitely could have said it better.
It was an ignorant statement. She assumes anyone who gets an abortion is just being a slut. People get pregant while using protection all the time.
That last women rlly ticked me off. I am pro choice but I was fine with the other people saying it's "murder" when it isn't at all, you're just vacuuming a clump of cells. But the fact that she said that ppl are just careless and to not take into consideration that women get raped or that protection fails really annoyed me.
Yes! I wish more people would educate themselves on BOTH sides before just saying abortion is murder.
Buddy, you’re a clump of cells. That argument can be easily overturned.
CHIOMA OKORO exactly
Rohan, are you not also a clump of cells??
I agree with the 26 year old woman, it's a choice but it needs to be very carefully thought out.
For the last lady who said people need to be more cautious of their sexual activity, there is so much more than that. There is rape, there is the mother's health that could be at risk, there is not thinking you're ready to be a mother and not thinking you can support a child. There's so much more then not being careful.
Okay so if rape and the mother's life are not factors does that mean you would ban it in situations where a woman and her partner are careless and have an accidentally pregnancy
@@JanisFever I don't think it really matters. If you know for a fact that you are not financial, physically, or mentally stable to have a child or if you again just don't want one, it is your choice to not have it. Pregnancy and childbirth is still very expensive if you do decide to go through with it and that it entirely the woman's choice.
@@britneyyy2436 so if you dont think that it matters an it's always okay why bring up the outliers and exceptions to justify all the other abortions
@@JanisFever I don't think there need to be "justifications" I think that a woman has the right to do what she wants to with her body and not be judged by other people
This is literally what I was thinking!! Why are some pro lifers so direspectful...
I strongly believe in evolution and you could say I'm quite from being humane in some of my ideas. don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater or anything, I just think a little differently than you. for this theme I can say just one sentence: "there's too much people already anyways" yes, you can say I'm a monster or whatever now. I just believe that things like pregnancy should be well planned at least.
S M Russel Kabir Roomey: *Here's a better idea, self-responsibility/accountability. Only rape victims and possible maternal death are the exemptions.*
Rape doesn't excuse murder. Its not the child's fault it was conceived.
Papa do you know how to read??? Where did I say anything disturbing or bad?
cool beans you said essentially that even if someone is raped they still have to birth life. A woman that is traumatized for the rest of her life and was raped has to give birth that she did not consent to do. That’s what’s horrible about what u said. Rape is not consent to pregnancy.
"cool beans you said essentially that even if someone is raped they still have to birth life" They SHOULD still give birth. Killing another human being is immoral, no matter how you spin in. Its bazaar to me that people think it gives them a morality pass.
Your opinion does not matter on this topic if you do not have a uterus and can't become pregnant
***** But the woman caries the child alone. And it's the woman's body that practically gets destroyed during the birth. She's the one that has to take off work. If she doesn't want to do that, it's her choice. He can have an opinion on it and they can talk about it. But ultimately, it's up to her.
Hunter Frazier That's as silly as saying someone who is white can't have an opinion about police brutality towards blacks. Like a fetus, a man is a human being, that gives him every right to have an opinion about abortion.
fouroverseven Yes, of course men (or people with uteruses, keep in mind that some women do not have uteruses and some men do) can have opinions on abortion. Just like how white people can have opinions on police brutality towards black people. However, people that do not have uteruses (ie, can't become pregnant) have irrelevant opinions on the topic because it isn't their body carrying the baby, being sacrificed to nurture the fetus. That is also why it's ultimately the carrier of the fetus that has the relevant opinion.
Hunter Frazier Yes, but it also isn't you're body that gets dismembered.
You're talking about a choice in which the person it affects most doesn't have any.
fouroverseven The body that's being dismembered isn't even conscious until birth. It cannot and will not become conscious until birth. An unborn baby is just a potential, it has no rights until it is born.
If I cannot provide for that child, if I cannot give it a better life than the one I had... Why would I bring it into the world? to have a hard life, with little choices and few oportunities?
No, ffs... And no, fortunatly I've never had to go through that, and if I had to, idk what I'd do... but it is always a choice, one that will affect your whole life
believe me, most abortions which are supposed to happen, will happen anyway. It's not a decision taken lightly, and many women will go to extreme lenghts to have one... So lets do it with human conditions, not with wrong medications or drugs, or even jumping down a staircase... :'(
One word: Adoption
Ayla Soares so you decide for yourself to kill someone who you think would not want to live. Just put them up for adoption.
I’m pro-life for myself but I will never tell a women no
This is the opinion pro-lifers should have. Really everyone is thinking about themselves personally when they say their opinion on this. Since I'm trans I would never want to be pregnant. The idea is disgusting to me, but if anyone wants to be pregnant I'm not gonna tell them it's gross to me lmao... It's their own family
@@AmazingRebel23 it should never be a CHOICE to murder...
I am very happy to be alive and I have the strength to carry on because of God I have seen him work in my life.. And he has worked in yours..
the you're pro choice
@@karmen3652 aborting isnt murder dumbass
Another point to make - if a woman can choose to have an abortion, a man can choose to not support the baby.
I will never understand how some women can be against abortion.
I don't know, it's a really hard decision, but many people believe its wrong because there is life there, whether your Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, you can't deny there is something living there, no matter how small.
because it is a human being duh
Mhm
I will never understand why it's so hard to understand why people would have different opinions
I can also make an argument: my sperm my choice
I hate people that say abortion is killing a life while the person has their own reasons. The baby might be dead, or not able to live properly. It could be damaging or even killing the mother. It might be because of rape. You'll hear people about life being thrown away when it comes to unborn babies but you don't hear the same people about poverty and people being killed in the streets and countries where war is going on. Most women don't do abortion if they don't have a valid reason to do it. I think it's a right. I probably worded all of this clumsily, but i hope you understand what i mean.
Right for EVERY woman.
What about the unborn women?
Emilija Garbačauskaitė boooooo!!
@@mayagrand2666 thats right
@@solideogloriaapologetics8901 i agree
And ZERO rights for the unborn human
I love how people think oh adoption. yes because it is soooooo easy. do they know how many kids there are around the world who are waiting, how many kids who were adopted that suffer from mental illness, the amount who never get adopted, the stress put on the mother when putting them up, and etc? it may not be better for the fetus to even be born. what happens when they are deformed to the point of living bring pain? the ones who if stay in the mother will lead to both their deaths should they not be aborted even though they won't make it? also do y'all forget the actual cost of giving birth in a hospital? 🤦
So it's better to just murder a potential human life. That baby could grow up and cure Cancer.
Zoey Striker That still doesn't justify killing it. I understand rape and endangering the mothers life, but that doesn't even make up 1% of abortion. Why should a baby suffer the mistakes another human made? Everyone has the right to live,
18!!! A CHOICE, YEAASSSS
Karl Marx ok, a lot said it but still..
Karl Marx The "choice" to kill to be more exact.
fouroverseven Women don't abort because they are evil, the don't go around saying "Death to all babies, yes!'. No. An abortion is a loving mother's decision to sacrifice her motherhood in order to give what is best for her child. Many mothers would rather prevent a child's life then see the horrible suffering that ensues due to negligence, abuse, and a host of other emotionally scarring effects. Abortion is SO much more complicated than dead babies is bad. Abortion is bad.
savedasloths No one said they're evil, if anything they're misled.
Call me crazy, but for whatever reason, I don't believe the dismemberment of a human being could ever be a loving decision.
And no one would force a mother to care for a child she's not prepared to. She could simply give that child to someone who is through adoption.
fouroverseven When you say that they are 'choosing to kill' in your context, you are implying that they are evil. Well... maybe evil is a strong word, but you get what I'm saying.
Call me crazy, but for whatever reason, I don't believe in forcing women to care for an unwanted child, taking away her freedom. For whatever reason, I don't want children being raised in a broken home full of abuse and neglect. For whatever reason, I don't want to force a woman to carry out an abortion herself, possibly killing her and her child.
And to say that women don't abort their fetuses out of love is just mischaracterization and an example of how you imply that pro-choice women don't have good intentions. And I believe I have already commented on another one of your posts on adoption, but here it is again:
"...many parents have tried to adopt, but denied so many babies because their parents were addicts or psychologically different. Many parents, possibly most, just do not have the time, money, or patience to take on a child with extreme physical, mental, and social difficulties, and this is the group of fetuses that has been spared from an abusive and emotionally damaging life."
0:30 her voice is so soothing...
I keep replaying so many times
It’s honestly not that people are careless with their sexuality, it’s that there is lack of education. Abortion is tragic and sad but it is necessary. There are MANY valid reasons a woman may want to terminate a pregnancy, but people like to cherry pick. Rape , incest , and a night of partying a lil too hard are not the only reasons there are SO much more.
This made me extremely emotional, but I am honestly so happy to hear so many of these women say choice.
I feel like women have the right to choose whether to abort but only up to a certain point. Once the baby reaches a point were it can live outside the womb (23 weeks) then an abortion should not be allowed anymore.
amber jim I agree
It’s actually 22 weeks but not much difference
3:05
she got on my nerves. you think the only reason for pregnancy is being careless? not rape? not protection that didn't work? the fetus is inside the person for 9 months. almost a year full of pain and an exhausting process that doesn't stop for a second even after the birth (which is the second most painful thing, and that is also a big thing to consider) you have to deal with post partum, extra weight, being jugded by people if you're young and so much more.
it was posted 3 years ago, so i hope she thought about it and changed her mind.
I think abortion pills should be available covered by medical insurance at every doctor office no questions asked for any girl who needs it. The reason most women have late term abortions other than health is because it can cost over 1000 dollars and sometimes they have to go to another state. If it was available free when needed women who need an abortion would get it by pill before the fetus is even 2 weeks