@0:00 Qur’an recitation (brief) @0:40 Dr. elHaj - very brief intro @2:06 Islamic positions on beginning of life @27:57 Classical scholars in the past were more lenient @29:05 The various positions of the 4 madhahib (even within each) @32:20 Hanafi & Shaf'i @35:44 Hanbali @43:14 What about congenital diseases? @49:31 What about after 120 days? @56:16 Choosing gender of child? @1:04:31 Surrogacy & Adoption explained (it's allowed)
WOW it is so refreshing to listen in on an academic Islamic discussion about this important and practical issue. Many thanks for enlightening us. May Allah reward you greatly as well as the Honorable Dr El Haj.
It all makes sense. May this discussion come to help many. And the reward for all efforts, to help others understand knowledge, in this life and the next, be upon you.
I am a training doctor and always worried about prescribing contraception to people just because one of the mechanism of action of almost all contraceptives is not to let the conceived embryo to settle on the lining of uterus.I am always worried about it always thought that as soon as embryo has formed, soul is breathed into it. Listening to this information has given me a bit of relief. Jzk khairun for sharing this. We need more scholars to link medical practice and practicing Islam.
Abortion is a very complicated subject. Just trying to help you. From medical point of view, just to make things very simple, No EEG signals visible into embryos before implantations so technically they are dead therefore it can be said confidently that no human beings are alive before implantation!!
It is nice to see two gentlemen over here are trying to discuss this very important complicated subject and dedicated their time into it. In society there are still men out there who really cares and trying to help humanity in general. Very impressed that they have decided to discuss this immensely complicated topic.
Sophie Miller Having said that I don’t agree with 120 days time period, in Quran there isn’t anything mention about 120 days! People are entitled to their religious beliefs therefore I am not saying things in a negative way, but it simply doesn’t add up with what I believe!
السلام عليكم This is very interesting. May Allah reward the seekers of knowledge. May Allah reward the effort of the medical doctor however, I don't know if all of these ahadith can be reconciled. And Allah knows best.
For Muslims adoption of a child gets complicated as the child reaches puberty for obvious reasons. Wither the child is a boy or a girl. The adoption is a very big decision, huge responsibility which requires a high level of certainty that you can care for a child as he or she of your own . That’s why the rewards are tremendous.
Thank you for this. I have a question regarding IVF. My husband and I may have to go through IVF treatment. It was explained to us by the doctor that they take a number of eggs and sperm and perform conception in the laboratory. They then reinsert an embryo into the womb. Then they freeze the rest of the (already conceived) embryos for future use if need be. If you have 4 successful IVF treatments (and therefore 4 kids) but you have 4 or 5 remaining frozen embryos, how does this work? The conception happened much longer than 120 days ago but there hasn't been growth beyond what was done in the laboratory. Is it acceptable to discard the remaining embryos or must each embryo be given the proper chance of pregnancy since it has been longer than 120 days?
Great question. The answer from my non scholarly perspective would be clear. This is because the entrance of a soul into the embryo is based entirely on its growth after 120 days in the womb. The whole '120 days' is based on a hadith Each one of you is constituted in the womb of the mother for forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him…” (Sahih al-Bukhari: 3036).
Allah does not breathe His Ruh into embryos kept in a dish as they are not growing and gestating in the womb. At 120 days or ~4 months *gestation* is when the soul is breathed into the fetus. Essentially your embryos are frozen in time until they successfully implant into your rahim or womb.
Death in Islam is when the ruh (soul) has left the body. Scholars have differed whether brain death or heart death is linked to the soul leaving, because the soul is metaphysical.
@@Ahmed-ob6ec death is when the roh leaves the body. We don't know if that happens during brain death or heart death. Which is why the fiqh Council of scholars differ as to the permissibility of organ transplant because we don't know when the roh leaves the body exactly, and its haram to cut open and take the organs of a person whose roh is still in the body.
"Tabanni" very much exists here in scandinavia. They take orphans from poor places, change their names and consider them their actual children. They call refer to the child as their "daughter, son" and the orphan gets registered as their descendant and inherits from them. This is very much the tabanni of jahiliyyah. I dont know why YQ is saying it doesnt exist. The orphan cannot take inheritance from you nor are you allowed to change their family names from them. Otherwise, as the shaykh said, it is a very good deed that is encourage in Islam (i.e, raising orphans).
Salam sheikh I have two daughters and I’m pregnant I’m very sick I have horrible sickness nausea vomiting and it’s really hard for me to keep this pregnancy.. I’m only 6 weeks pregnant.., we live in Australia we don’t have any family help or support.. is it permissible to terminate the baby.???plz answer
1:06 regarding Surrogacy. Using the phrase “the product of a man” to refer to semen going into a surrogate woman to carry a baby for a couple who are not able to have a child... given our medical advancements and things like organ donation, blood donation, etc, why would this (meaning semen) be an issue? Since the medical model that currently exists was not applicable 1600 yrs ago (perhaps a man would need to have intercourse with another female to accomplish this as opposed to having “his product” implanted or more commonly, having an already fertilized ovum implanted into a surrogate (so that it is the product of the wife and the husband with no relation to the surrogate), what would make this impermissible? It is not that a non mahram man must touch a non mahram woman, the true case at least for IVF rather than sperm donation, is that the semen would mean as little to the surrogate as would the ovum of another woman, and just as insignificant as blood transfusions or organ donation coming from a man or woman to whom they are not related. A case can be made for “emergencies” and such, but my point stands. Given medical technology, I would hope that more can be discussed here especially given that it is usually highly contracted and agreements are signed for each party responsible to ensure everyone knows where the parental rights belong. To boot, it is often common for a surrogate to express colostrum or breast milk and donate that to the infant prior to formula being introduced while the infant is in the care of the surrogate. Would that at all change the permissibility should that become part of the agreement made within the parties? Also, given how many years IVF and surrogacy has been going on, whether the act itself was permissible, children born this way may be well into adulthood with questions.
@Sarah Zafar Interesting perspective. I am a convert. My baby brother was born via a surrogate after my mother had a cancer scare which led to a partial hysterectomy (no womb = no children). They sought out options for having biological children with someone carrying their child for them since my mother was not able to do so. They found a woman who my brother now considers and respects as he would any auntie. The surrogate's family has invited them to attend their family weddings and events, and treats my parents and brother with the upmost respect (and vice versa). There are no odd feelings between the families. There are variances of religions within these parties... all of whic were respected. This option exists and has positive outcomes exactly like this frequently. Whether I myself would personally consider being a surrogate or not is inconsequential. Whether my husband has a right to tell me what I do or do not do with my body (my womb) is very consequential but much ado about nothing, so to speak. Whether he would somehow not desire me or respect me for offering in kindness to be a means of an infertile family gaining a child to love and respect is consequential for marriage not for this conversation, or whether he would benefit (as many countries allow financial compensation for surrogacy) from that is another question entirely. Whether I would want my daughter or sister to do that is very to the point NONE of my business as I happen to be entirely pro-choice politically and believe that every woman should have exclusive ownership over her body by means of who is allowed to see/ touch/desire, her body. I feel this way for myself as well, of course. And I would say it is HIGHLY unlikely to be a situation when a friend carries a baby for their infertile married friends: at least in the US, Canada, and Europe, it is much more likely to go through a registered agency who drafts documentation to ensure the rights of everyone involved in the agreement as you would any contract or business dealing. My brother's surrogate had me think of it this way: Long term babysitting. She watches the baby for 9 months and then hands the child to his/her rightful parents knowing full well that that was never her child. There are very few so intrinsically and truly GOOD things in the world - this is one of them. This is why I have questions about the permissibility because I know that it can and DOES happen in beautiful ways every day, and could be a means to having biologically children for those women who might not be able to physically carry a child for a variety of medical reasons. With medical science advancing so quickly, it just seems like we aught to have this discussion more thoroughly and I'm glad to see it included in this lecture. Personal preferences aside, simply logically, a new practice could be a means to a blessing for many people and we need to know what options are acceptable in the fiqh.
Renaming sperm or ovum transplant as an "organ donation" is missing the point! Actually what was forbidden was "conception outside of the marriage", like transplanting ovum into another woman, and if a man is not married to that woman then it is theoretically Haram & against that clear cut law. The most logical solution was to marry the surrogate mother as the 2nd Wife, which is a more dignified approach.
I'm surprised that we can be confused this much by just changing the words and re-defining something with different words... when in fact it is a simple problem already solved.
xponen_ That very much only creates a solution to a man having a child, not the emotional desire of a woman to have a child. By marrying her, this would be a 2nd wife carrying her own child, not at all the biological child of the 1st wife. Not a resolution for infertility.
@@lryounan ok, IVF is a solution for her problems, but then it create a problem for the society. The society have inheritance law & rights for the child, this is no longer fullfiled.
Not sure if the comments are going to be read by Shiekh YQ's team before the followup discussion, but they should spend more time on discussing surrogacy and adoption. Adoption isn't an easy answer for a situation where a woman cannot carry a child and surrogacy isn't allowed. Living in a western society, how many pregnant women who are putting their kids up for adoption would choose a brown Muslim family for their soon to be born child? What about the issue of mahram / non-mahram in this scenario? The adopted child may not be an infant who can be fed breastmilk as a means of establishing mahramiya... As for surrogacy, if the man himself physically never comes in contact with the surrogate, why is it that an artificially implanted embryo can raise questions. What if the man's sister (or another mahram) offers to be the surrogate? Is there any scenario that could be permissible? Out of all the blessings of Allah, children are truly something very special and for a woman or a couple who are unable to have them for various reasons, it's not easy to do sabr in this life. It takes a heavy psychological toll. I would humbly request and hope that our scholars be more empathetic towards such couples / scenarios. May Allah make it easy for every couple out there struggling with this situation.
There are times for empathy, and times where it doesn't matter. Allah was the one that gave the woman the ability to have children or not, right? What will you say if a homosexual asks for empathy and leniency?
Assalamualikum dear Sheikh Yasir qadhi. With due respect to other speakers, I find it very confusing when you ask other speaker and they reply. Their replies are not clear and straight forward. It just goes in circle. I found it difficult when you did same sessions about mortgages as well. In my humble opinion, your own QA sessions are more clear, useful and easy to understand. It would be nice if you please do not bring other speakers. Our sheikh Yasir Qadhi is knowledgeable enough to go solo!
SubhaanaAllah...what a lack of manners and respect!! This is an issue of great controversy. At the end of the day the guest is giving his opinion based on his understanding and medical facts. He's wrestling with 1400 years of islamic consensus on issues that are now being shaken to the core. Your comments reflect your lack of knowledge
I believe he has made an error with one of his wording but then he is a human. He said woman’s embryo which is incorrect. The correct wording is live egg. Live eggs and sperms can make embryos. Women don’t ovulate embryos and never will. One of my important comment got deleted, disappointed really about it when I was only trying to help. If you follow the interview carefully it was mentioned men are eligible to finally decide along with their wives about the outcome of pregnancies which SIMPLY means they have a final say of what should be done with women’s bodies which indicates men can control women’s bodies which is ethically, morally and logically is completely wrong, no one have any God’s given right to control someone else’s body! Men can express their opinions of what they believe in and discuss things with their wives but in the end of day it is up to the women to decide what they should or should not do with their bodies and they must not be pressurised. Women don’t need husbands consents to control their own bodies and never should!! If anyone take away women’s rights of their bodily autonomies then they are basically subjugating women to dirty slaveries! Women’s bodies = Women’s choices!!
Sophie Miller Just clarifying my stand on it, I genuinely believe these two gentlemen didn’t mean to say that women cannot control their own bodies when it has been mentioned in the interview that husbands can have final says with pregnancies and most likely they didn’t realise the depth of these wordings and perhaps didn’t analyse the complexities in greater extends what does it really mean to give power to men in final decision makings with women’s pregnancies. I would say this is an innocent error from their sides but I really appreciate the efforts they made to go through this complex subject.
It sounds to me like an assumption is made that a soul is only accepting of a body when all organs are formed... there seems to be no evidence for this position. I wonder if its an easy position to take given things like voluntary movement can also be defined as not necessary for a soul. After all a paralysed human cannot make voluntary movements and yet has a soul
This is quite unsettling. Abortion is actually frightening when you see how the procedure is carried out (like limbs being torn apart whilst babies attempt to move away from suction tools, you’ll find some graphic videos online). The Answer given is unsatisfactory and leaves a lot of space of ambiguity. For example, when the Shiekh says that certain schools believe that it could be carried out in the first 120 days for ‘plausible’ reasons, there’s no possibility of there being a plausible reason islamically. This conflicts with the fact that every life is of equal value in the face of Allah. I understand that ensoulment hasn’t fully occurred in that period, but for there to be ‘plausible reasons’ is contradictory with what we read in Islam. If Scholars don’t allow it for economic concerns, then why is it so in deformity or rape? Is the life of the fetus of lesser importance in those cases? ; and as we know, this is in clear conflict with the Quran. Even if one suddenly accepts this, you can never try to predict who’s life is worth or worth not living, it clearly contradicts Allah’s writing down of the destiny of each soul or the Qadr. With this in mind, there could only be a full allowance of abortion for all reasons until 120 days, or a full ban of abortion for all reasons (except when the mothers life is in danger) until 120 days. Logic takes us to the latter resolution since the leaning of the major schools is towards a ban/conditional circumstances (which I have already gave reasons for as to why they are untenable and cause greater problems to arise).
Basically, banning abortion is to force women to give birth. I don’t agree with that. Women should have autonomy. 120 days seems a good compromise. To protect mother and child.
The Sheikh has completely ignored the issues of medical insurance and financial burdens that parents have to go through if they decide on something to save the child. The medical insurance in the US is not looking at this entire matter humanely. Taking the baby out after 140 days means the baby has to stay in the hospital for few months. What kind of medical expenses are we talking about? I think we should consider that as one of the factors in making this decision.
I think my comment would help enlightening the whole controversial subject. Abortion should be available on request because it is inhuman to force a woman to continue her pregnancy against her will and to force her to give birth of a baby that she never wanted and then possibly raise this unwanted child a big part of her life is too much to ask to a woman and it is against humanity to force a woman to have a baby that she never wanted. To bring a child into this world is a major decision in women’s lives! No one should continue a pregnancy against her will!! Women should be allowed to terminate throughout the pregnancy if necessary!
Islam allows abortion. Even after 120 days for certain circumstances. So the issue is not whether abortion is permitted, it's when and for what reason.
Abortion/ killing a life is permitted until 120 days? Why, because no ruh or soul etc. ??? What about the animals that don't have a ruh/soul? I guess we could kill animals and mistreat them since they don't have ruh/ soul then right? It should be permissible then too, according to the scholars if the ruh/soul is their main concern right?
Fetuses are always in sleep like conditions inside women’s uteruses and fetuses are unconscious. According to Muslim faith, souls leave bodies when people are at sleep. If this is the case then there is no ensoulment until the baby is born as fetuses are in sleep like conditions while inside women’s bodies. If Muslims believe soul leaves the body when a person is in sleep then a fetus can never have ensoulment during pregnancy as it is in sleep even just before birth!! Abortion is a complicated subject!
Women must terminate any severely deformed/mentally deficient fetuses who are incompatible to decent lives. There’s no point to bring immense sufferings and miseries to babies for the rest of their lives who will have no quality of lives!! Abortion is not murder, abortion is a moral good in various negative circumstances.
There have been many times where doctors have confirmed heart defects or congenital deformities with a growing baby in utero. Later on many women go to full term and Subhan'Allah baby is formed with little or no deformities. We as muslims are believed to trust in allahs decree. Anything is possible. I myself have a close family member who was told to abort her child due to severe disabilities but the child was born with minor deformities (vision impairment) but no other ailments alhumdollilah and is living a full and healthy independant life. Subhan'Allah.
What do you do in situations where the appointment for aborting is 2-3 weeks away and this will pass the 135 days you are permitted to terminate? @yasirqadhi
@0:00 Qur’an recitation (brief)
@0:40 Dr. elHaj - very brief intro
@2:06 Islamic positions on beginning of life
@27:57 Classical scholars in the past were more lenient
@29:05 The various positions of the 4 madhahib (even within each)
@32:20 Hanafi & Shaf'i
@35:44 Hanbali
@43:14 What about congenital diseases?
@49:31 What about after 120 days?
@56:16 Choosing gender of child?
@1:04:31 Surrogacy & Adoption explained (it's allowed)
Jazakum Allah Khair
WOW it is so refreshing to listen in on an academic Islamic discussion about this important and practical issue.
Many thanks for enlightening us. May Allah reward you greatly as well as the Honorable Dr El Haj.
It all makes sense. May this discussion come to help many. And the reward for all efforts, to help others understand knowledge, in this life and the next, be upon you.
I am a training doctor and always worried about prescribing contraception to people just because one of the mechanism of action of almost all contraceptives is not to let the conceived embryo to settle on the lining of uterus.I am always worried about it always thought that as soon as embryo has formed, soul is breathed into it. Listening to this information has given me a bit of relief. Jzk khairun for sharing this. We need more scholars to link medical practice and practicing Islam.
Abortion is a very complicated subject. Just trying to help you. From medical point of view, just to make things very simple, No EEG signals visible into embryos before implantations so technically they are dead therefore it can be said confidently that no human beings are alive before implantation!!
It is nice to see two gentlemen over here are trying to discuss this very important complicated subject and dedicated their time into it. In society there are still men out there who really cares and trying to help humanity in general. Very impressed that they have decided to discuss this immensely complicated topic.
Sophie Miller
Having said that I don’t agree with 120 days time period, in Quran there isn’t anything mention about 120 days! People are entitled to their religious beliefs therefore I am not saying things in a negative way, but it simply doesn’t add up with what I believe!
I did my pregnancy test it says positive and I am 4days late period so am I go for pregnancy terminationion pls help me out by your reply
@@sophiemiller6711 The 120 days comes from Hadith
Assalamu Alaikum may Allah bless you too for such a powerful knowledge you have share to us
May Allah bless you two
Thanks for the new perspectives. The next generation will bring even more perspectives into fiqh.
Masha-Allah! May Allah be pleased with you.. Very informative and detailed discussion.. Helped a lot
Salaam from Nottingham Uk
There are still people who adopt from birth and don’t tell the child, get their names put on the birth certificate. The concept of tabanni is alive.
54:21 This exact situation happened with my mom and she chose to not abort. The baby stayed alive for a little over an hour
السلام عليكم
This is very interesting. May Allah reward the seekers of knowledge. May Allah reward the effort of the medical doctor however,
I don't know if all of these ahadith can be reconciled. And Allah knows best.
No one is talk about mental health of mother if already she suffer from postpartum depression then other preg she cannot afford
So you value $$ and emotion over the life of an innocent human being…?
@@Angelstarw2emotion not money. Your moronic anger is an emotion as well. Stop being foolish.
Allah created prophet Adam completely then the soul entered. Subhan Allah
Masha’Allah
Very beneficial! The part that may be missing is ruiling on contraception
Quality information. Thank you :)
For Muslims adoption of a child gets complicated as the child reaches puberty for obvious reasons. Wither the child is a boy or a girl. The adoption is a very big decision, huge responsibility which requires a high level of certainty that you can care for a child as he or she of your own . That’s why the rewards are tremendous.
Sheikh please, make a cooking video.
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Thank you for this. I have a question regarding IVF. My husband and I may have to go through IVF treatment. It was explained to us by the doctor that they take a number of eggs and sperm and perform conception in the laboratory. They then reinsert an embryo into the womb. Then they freeze the rest of the (already conceived) embryos for future use if need be. If you have 4 successful IVF treatments (and therefore 4 kids) but you have 4 or 5 remaining frozen embryos, how does this work? The conception happened much longer than 120 days ago but there hasn't been growth beyond what was done in the laboratory. Is it acceptable to discard the remaining embryos or must each embryo be given the proper chance of pregnancy since it has been longer than 120 days?
Great question. The answer from my non scholarly perspective would be clear. This is because the entrance of a soul into the embryo is based entirely on its growth after 120 days in the womb. The whole '120 days' is based on a hadith Each one of you is constituted in the womb of the mother for forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him…” (Sahih al-Bukhari: 3036).
Allah does not breathe His Ruh into embryos kept in a dish as they are not growing and gestating in the womb. At 120 days or ~4 months *gestation* is when the soul is breathed into the fetus. Essentially your embryos are frozen in time until they successfully implant into your rahim or womb.
What if i found out after 120 days that my baby has a major heart problem and his legs won’t work and he also has trisomy 18?
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For me when the heart is beating the brain is working;if the brain is working then the fetus is alive.
But the rooh is placed into the fetus at 120 days according to islamic scholars.
Death in Islam is when the ruh (soul) has left the body.
Scholars have differed whether brain death or heart death is linked to the soul leaving, because the soul is metaphysical.
@@yaseen99 I imagine it would be brain death since that is where the person's sense of self is.
@@Ahmed-ob6ec death is when the roh leaves the body.
We don't know if that happens during brain death or heart death.
Which is why the fiqh Council of scholars differ as to the permissibility of organ transplant because we don't know when the roh leaves the body exactly, and its haram to cut open and take the organs of a person whose roh is still in the body.
"Tabanni" very much exists here in scandinavia. They take orphans from poor places, change their names and consider them their actual children. They call refer to the child as their "daughter, son" and the orphan gets registered as their descendant and inherits from them. This is very much the tabanni of jahiliyyah. I dont know why YQ is saying it doesnt exist. The orphan cannot take inheritance from you nor are you allowed to change their family names from them. Otherwise, as the shaykh said, it is a very good deed that is encourage in Islam (i.e, raising orphans).
how about a gift but not inheritance
Nobody applies outdated sharia in Scandinavia.
Salam sheikh
I have two daughters and I’m pregnant I’m very sick I have horrible sickness nausea vomiting and it’s really hard for me to keep this pregnancy.. I’m only 6 weeks pregnant.., we live in Australia we don’t have any family help or support.. is it permissible to terminate the baby.???plz answer
Down-Syndrom isnt including in sevire case??
i could not find his lecture about Karbala from this muharam.
1:06 regarding Surrogacy. Using the phrase “the product of a man” to refer to semen going into a surrogate woman to carry a baby for a couple who are not able to have a child... given our medical advancements and things like organ donation, blood donation, etc, why would this (meaning semen) be an issue? Since the medical model that currently exists was not applicable 1600 yrs ago (perhaps a man would need to have intercourse with another female to accomplish this as opposed to having “his product” implanted or more commonly, having an already fertilized ovum implanted into a surrogate (so that it is the product of the wife and the husband with no relation to the surrogate), what would make this impermissible? It is not that a non mahram man must touch a non mahram woman, the true case at least for IVF rather than sperm donation, is that the semen would mean as little to the surrogate as would the ovum of another woman, and just as insignificant as blood transfusions or organ donation coming from a man or woman to whom they are not related. A case can be made for “emergencies” and such, but my point stands. Given medical technology, I would hope that more can be discussed here especially given that it is usually highly contracted and agreements are signed for each party responsible to ensure everyone knows where the parental rights belong. To boot, it is often common for a surrogate to express colostrum or breast milk and donate that to the infant prior to formula being introduced while the infant is in the care of the surrogate. Would that at all change the permissibility should that become part of the agreement made within the parties? Also, given how many years IVF and surrogacy has been going on, whether the act itself was permissible, children born this way may be well into adulthood with questions.
@Sarah Zafar Interesting perspective. I am a convert. My baby brother was born via a surrogate after my mother had a cancer scare which led to a partial hysterectomy (no womb = no children). They sought out options for having biological children with someone carrying their child for them since my mother was not able to do so. They found a woman who my brother now considers and respects as he would any auntie. The surrogate's family has invited them to attend their family weddings and events, and treats my parents and brother with the upmost respect (and vice versa). There are no odd feelings between the families. There are variances of religions within these parties... all of whic were respected. This option exists and has positive outcomes exactly like this frequently. Whether I myself would personally consider being a surrogate or not is inconsequential. Whether my husband has a right to tell me what I do or do not do with my body (my womb) is very consequential but much ado about nothing, so to speak. Whether he would somehow not desire me or respect me for offering in kindness to be a means of an infertile family gaining a child to love and respect is consequential for marriage not for this conversation, or whether he would benefit (as many countries allow financial compensation for surrogacy) from that is another question entirely. Whether I would want my daughter or sister to do that is very to the point NONE of my business as I happen to be entirely pro-choice politically and believe that every woman should have exclusive ownership over her body by means of who is allowed to see/ touch/desire, her body. I feel this way for myself as well, of course. And I would say it is HIGHLY unlikely to be a situation when a friend carries a baby for their infertile married friends: at least in the US, Canada, and Europe, it is much more likely to go through a registered agency who drafts documentation to ensure the rights of everyone involved in the agreement as you would any contract or business dealing. My brother's surrogate had me think of it this way: Long term babysitting. She watches the baby for 9 months and then hands the child to his/her rightful parents knowing full well that that was never her child. There are very few so intrinsically and truly GOOD things in the world - this is one of them. This is why I have questions about the permissibility because I know that it can and DOES happen in beautiful ways every day, and could be a means to having biologically children for those women who might not be able to physically carry a child for a variety of medical reasons. With medical science advancing so quickly, it just seems like we aught to have this discussion more thoroughly and I'm glad to see it included in this lecture. Personal preferences aside, simply logically, a new practice could be a means to a blessing for many people and we need to know what options are acceptable in the fiqh.
Renaming sperm or ovum transplant as an "organ donation" is missing the point! Actually what was forbidden was "conception outside of the marriage", like transplanting ovum into another woman, and if a man is not married to that woman then it is theoretically Haram & against that clear cut law. The most logical solution was to marry the surrogate mother as the 2nd Wife, which is a more dignified approach.
I'm surprised that we can be confused this much by just changing the words and re-defining something with different words... when in fact it is a simple problem already solved.
xponen_ That very much only creates a solution to a man having a child, not the emotional desire of a woman to have a child. By marrying her, this would be a 2nd wife carrying her own child, not at all the biological child of the 1st wife. Not a resolution for infertility.
@@lryounan ok, IVF is a solution for her problems, but then it create a problem for the society. The society have inheritance law & rights for the child, this is no longer fullfiled.
Not sure if the comments are going to be read by Shiekh YQ's team before the followup discussion, but they should spend more time on discussing surrogacy and adoption.
Adoption isn't an easy answer for a situation where a woman cannot carry a child and surrogacy isn't allowed. Living in a western society, how many pregnant women who are putting their kids up for adoption would choose a brown Muslim family for their soon to be born child? What about the issue of mahram / non-mahram in this scenario? The adopted child may not be an infant who can be fed breastmilk as a means of establishing mahramiya...
As for surrogacy, if the man himself physically never comes in contact with the surrogate, why is it that an artificially implanted embryo can raise questions. What if the man's sister (or another mahram) offers to be the surrogate? Is there any scenario that could be permissible?
Out of all the blessings of Allah, children are truly something very special and for a woman or a couple who are unable to have them for various reasons, it's not easy to do sabr in this life. It takes a heavy psychological toll. I would humbly request and hope that our scholars be more empathetic towards such couples / scenarios. May Allah make it easy for every couple out there struggling with this situation.
Ameen.
I agree we could all benefit from more details on the surrogacy and adoption issues.
There are times for empathy, and times where it doesn't matter. Allah was the one that gave the woman the ability to have children or not, right? What will you say if a homosexual asks for empathy and leniency?
Having children is not a necessity for survival
Asking your sister to carry your and your husbands baby is disgusting
@@AM-bm9rs your backward positions are disgusting to me.
Is it 40 or 42 days,
Assalamualikum dear Sheikh Yasir qadhi.
With due respect to other speakers, I find it very confusing when you ask other speaker and they reply. Their replies are not clear and straight forward. It just goes in circle. I found it difficult when you did same sessions about mortgages as well.
In my humble opinion, your own QA sessions are more clear, useful and easy to understand.
It would be nice if you please do not bring other speakers. Our sheikh Yasir Qadhi is knowledgeable enough to go solo!
But yasir qahdi is not a medical doctor
SubhaanaAllah...what a lack of manners and respect!! This is an issue of great controversy. At the end of the day the guest is giving his opinion based on his understanding and medical facts. He's wrestling with 1400 years of islamic consensus on issues that are now being shaken to the core. Your comments reflect your lack of knowledge
I believe he has made an error with one of his wording but then he is a human. He said woman’s embryo which is incorrect. The correct wording is live egg. Live eggs and sperms can make embryos. Women don’t ovulate embryos and never will.
One of my important comment got deleted, disappointed really about it when I was only trying to help. If you follow the interview carefully it was mentioned men are eligible to finally decide along with their wives about the outcome of pregnancies which SIMPLY means they have a final say of what should be done with women’s bodies which indicates men can control women’s bodies which is ethically, morally and logically is completely wrong, no one have any God’s given right to control someone else’s body! Men can express their opinions of what they believe in and discuss things with their wives but in the end of day it is up to the women to decide what they should or should not do with their bodies and they must not be pressurised. Women don’t need husbands consents to control their own bodies and never should!! If anyone take away women’s rights of their bodily autonomies then they are basically subjugating women to dirty slaveries! Women’s bodies = Women’s choices!!
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Just clarifying my stand on it, I genuinely believe these two gentlemen didn’t mean to say that women cannot control their own bodies when it has been mentioned in the interview that husbands can have final says with pregnancies and most likely they didn’t realise the depth of these wordings and perhaps didn’t analyse the complexities in greater extends what does it really mean to give power to men in final decision makings with women’s pregnancies. I would say this is an innocent error from their sides but I really appreciate the efforts they made to go through this complex subject.
To go solo lol
Super confusing. Came here for help but it confused me even more.
It sounds to me like an assumption is made that a soul is only accepting of a body when all organs are formed... there seems to be no evidence for this position. I wonder if its an easy position to take given things like voluntary movement can also be defined as not necessary for a soul. After all a paralysed human cannot make voluntary movements and yet has a soul
This is quite unsettling. Abortion is actually frightening when you see how the procedure is carried out (like limbs being torn apart whilst babies attempt to move away from suction tools, you’ll find some graphic videos online). The Answer given is unsatisfactory and leaves a lot of space of ambiguity. For example, when the Shiekh says that certain schools believe that it could be carried out in the first 120 days for ‘plausible’ reasons, there’s no possibility of there being a plausible reason islamically. This conflicts with the fact that every life is of equal value in the face of Allah. I understand that ensoulment hasn’t fully occurred in that period, but for there to be ‘plausible reasons’ is contradictory with what we read in Islam. If Scholars don’t allow it for economic concerns, then why is it so in deformity or rape? Is the life of the fetus of lesser importance in those cases? ; and as we know, this is in clear conflict with the Quran. Even if one suddenly accepts this, you can never try to predict who’s life is worth or worth not living, it clearly contradicts Allah’s writing down of the destiny of each soul or the Qadr.
With this in mind, there could only be a full allowance of abortion for all reasons until 120 days, or a full ban of abortion for all reasons (except when the mothers life is in danger) until 120 days. Logic takes us to the latter resolution since the leaning of the major schools is towards a ban/conditional circumstances (which I have already gave reasons for as to why they are untenable and cause greater problems to arise).
Basically, banning abortion is to force women to give birth. I don’t agree with that. Women should have autonomy. 120 days seems a good compromise. To protect mother and child.
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Shaykh! What if the the adoptive parents don’t even know who the biological parents are?
The Sheikh has completely ignored the issues of medical insurance and financial burdens that parents have to go through if they decide on something to save the child. The medical insurance in the US is not looking at this entire matter humanely. Taking the baby out after 140 days means the baby has to stay in the hospital for few months. What kind of medical expenses are we talking about? I think we should consider that as one of the factors in making this decision.
I think my comment would help enlightening the whole controversial subject. Abortion should be available on request because it is inhuman to force a woman to continue her pregnancy against her will and to force her to give birth of a baby that she never wanted and then possibly raise this unwanted child a big part of her life is too much to ask to a woman and it is against humanity to force a woman to have a baby that she never wanted. To bring a child into this world is a major decision in women’s lives! No one should continue a pregnancy against her will!! Women should be allowed to terminate throughout the pregnancy if necessary!
It’s inhumane to kill someone. And they don’t have to keep them, they can put them up for adoption.
Abortion is not baby killing!
Islam allows abortion. Even after 120 days for certain circumstances. So the issue is not whether abortion is permitted, it's when and for what reason.
Abortion/ killing a life is permitted until 120 days?
Why, because no ruh or soul etc. ???
What about the animals that don't have a ruh/soul? I guess we could kill animals and mistreat them since they don't have ruh/ soul then right?
It should be permissible then too, according to the scholars if the ruh/soul is their main concern right?
Animals have ruh. What are u talking about?
Just A, stop embarrassing yourself.
Scholars for dollars, you give enough money you make anything halal, look up...
Fetuses are always in sleep like conditions inside women’s uteruses and fetuses are unconscious. According to Muslim faith, souls leave bodies when people are at sleep. If this is the case then there is no ensoulment until the baby is born as fetuses are in sleep like conditions while inside women’s bodies. If Muslims believe soul leaves the body when a person is in sleep then a fetus can never have ensoulment during pregnancy as it is in sleep even just before birth!! Abortion is a complicated subject!
Your point makes no sense, so can a person be murdered in their sleep?
I believe there is no ensoulment before birth.
Does that mean you would kill an unborn 8 month baby because the mother does not want that pregnancy?
@@DrAliTMbuyi you aint a women. So let them decide. It’s their body.
Women must terminate any severely deformed/mentally deficient fetuses who are incompatible to decent lives. There’s no point to bring immense sufferings and miseries to babies for the rest of their lives who will have no quality of lives!! Abortion is not murder, abortion is a moral good in various negative circumstances.
Did you watch the video?
There have been many times where doctors have confirmed heart defects or congenital deformities with a growing baby in utero. Later on many women go to full term and Subhan'Allah baby is formed with little or no deformities. We as muslims are believed to trust in allahs decree. Anything is possible. I myself have a close family member who was told to abort her child due to severe disabilities but the child was born with minor deformities (vision impairment) but no other ailments alhumdollilah and is living a full and healthy independant life. Subhan'Allah.
Define severely deformed and mentally deficient. Would you rather Hellen Keller's mother aborted her?
@@aabd2017 clearly didn't watch the video
The noone should have a baby because every baby will grow up to suffer
Breathing of the soul cannot happen during Entire pregnancy cause embryos/ foetuses never breathe!
Soul enters the body in Islam at 120 days, not throughout the entire pregnancy. After 120 days, the fetus is now with a soul.
What do you do in situations where the appointment for aborting is 2-3 weeks away and this will pass the 135 days you are permitted to terminate? @yasirqadhi