*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Introduction 0:19 - Dr. Ali praises Blogging Theology 0:40 - Background of Dr. Ali 1:26 - Topic of the Presentation 2:20 - Start of the Presentation 3:40 - Muslims doubting Qur'an's Preservation 4:55 - Textual Variance of the Qur'an vs the Bible 7:06 - Deceptions of the Critics of Islam 8:38 - Attestation of the Qur'an in the 1st century 10:02 - Historicity of the New Testament 14:12 - The Writings of the Christian Apostolic Fathers of the 1st Century CE 25:06 - The Qur'an's Attestation in its 1st Century 28:54 - Other 1st Century Manuscripts Hijri 31:30 - The Ahruf & Qira'at 34:31 - The Seven Ahruf 38:05 - The Prophet ﷺ recited the Qur'an as a Multiformic text 41:33 - What exactly are the Ahruf? 42:53 - Examples of the Categories of the Ahruf 54:21 - The Companion Codices or "Textual Traditions" 57:30 - The Uthmanic Codex Committee 1:00:01 - The "Common Ancestor" of all MSS: "The Prophetic Archetype" 1:02:14 - The Uthmanic Textual Tradition: The Best of the Prophet's ﷺ Readings 1:06:47 - Skeletal (Rasmi) Variance in the TT of IM vs the TT of 'UT 1:13:13 - Abandoned Readings 1:18:17 - What about the Hadith? 1:21:16 - No Surah 1 (Al-Fatihah) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex 1:27:38 - No Surahs 113 & 114 (Al-Mu'awwadatayn) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex 1:31:30 - Ubayy B. K'ab & the Extra Two "Surahs"? 1:40:51 - The "Guilt Complex" of the Christian Polemicists 1:46:23 - What is the Uthmanic Textual Tradition? 1:52:19 - Is the Uthmanic Codex/Textual Tradition incorrect? 1:57:31 - The Sana'a Palimpsest (C1) 2:05:53 - From the Uthmanic Codices to the Ten Authorised Qira'at 2:11:00 - How did Reciters know how to read the Codices? 2:14:24 - Three Conditions for an Authorised Recitation 2:18:14 - The Canonical Transmitters of the Eponymous Reciters 2:27:06 - Reciters reciting Unauthorised Recitations 2:30:09 - Refuting the Orientalists & Christian Polemicists 2:36:53 - Four Main Grades of Recitation 2:41:54 - Epilogue: "A Goat ate the Qur'an" Hadith 2:47:08 - Dr. Ali's thoughts about Daniel Brubaker's work 2:57:02 - Closing Remarks SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖 Brilliant Presentation & Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you both and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
From Abu Hurairah ra, the Prophet SAW said: "Whoever relieves a believer of a difficulty, surely Allah will relieve him of a difficulty on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever makes the affairs of others easy, surely Allah will make it easy for him in this world and in the hereafter. ( HR Muslim)
Let it sink in. We have the whole Quran in EXTANT manuscripts dating back to the sahaba time, and not any sahaba but the Rashidun! And this is just the written form, not even getting into the oral mass transmission. Alhamdulillah for the preservation of the Quran.
Be accurate. Not the Sahaba's time, but first century. Most of the Sahaba did not live beyond the first half of that century. But yes, despite the mess, we have the Qur'an very well documented and attested.
@@asif8224 I'm saying be accurate. These masaahif are not dated to "the time of the Sahaba". Not that it matters anyway. We don't have Uthman's mashafs nor a definitive mashaf of any sahabi though by all rights we should. That is the failing of the early Ummah
I'm from Egypt and my father (90 years old now) tells us proudly about his grand mother who used to be very good at reciting the Quran with all the 7 qera'at and how she was honored and celebrated for this. Muslims always knew about that and, in fact, celebrated it as part of the impressive nature of the holy Quran.
Yes you've summed it up. Many knew of this, it's not controversial in the slightest. In fact it adds another layer of depth to the Quran which is truly astonishing. The variances are subtle, it's in a letter or word, and only accounts for a small percentage of the Quran. The codex committee of Uthman (RA) did a tremendous job, tremendous. Now contrast that to what happened in Christianity, and the infamous Council meeting several decades and centuries later to establish the Bible. It was a laughing stock, ppl guessing, scratching heads, a patch work to put it mildly. An effect felt today with countless changes and versions of the Bible.
@@SamThuMan Great, then go rebuke your other scholar yasir qadhi. He said this stuff should be talked in private. It's not easy. Go watch his interview with mohamed hijab. Oh no, they both deleted it from their channels. Aren't we lucky that the CHRISTIANS have saved it 😂😂😂 Question :How does one become a muslim scholar? Answer: Get a degree in deception first. RIAI
Yasir Qahdi doesn’t represent all of Islam! What do you call a medical student who passes 7 years of medical school with D grade compared to a student who passes with an A grade??? A Doctor! Not all scholars are the same! Just like not all priests and paedophiles!
Yasir Qahdi doesn’t represent all of Islam! What do you call a medical student who passes 7 years of medical school with D grade compared to a student who passes with an A grade??? A Doctor! Not all scholars are the same! Just like not all priests and paedophiles!
@@RobinoftheHod Yasir Qadhi and now Shabbir Ally have broken ranks and said of course it's not perfectly preserved. Ally even said it's not scholarly to claim it.
@Jo Sm Shabir Ally and Yasir Qadhi are NOT infallible. Numerous Scholars of great stature and repute (both Muslim and non-Muslim), endowed and equipped with knowledge, have established the perfect preservation of The Quran based on hardcore evidence and facts. Stop acting like an ignorant fool, and do your research before you propogate nonsense!
@@farhanwyne6040 no they haven't. The only people who persist with perfect preservation are lying Islamists. As Yasir Qadhi said, the 'scholars' and sheikhs tell the ignorant it's perfectly preserved because you think that's evidence of divinity. But, as he said, 'advanced scholars' had always known the ahruf and q'irat do not explain the 90,000 differences between the 37 Arabic Korans.
I don't usually comment on videos, but I cannot thank you enough for this extensive lecture. It is exactly what I needed and more. May Allah reward you and bless you 🤲
@STIGGARRIUS. ALL religions,what are they for.whai is it that makes people believe in someone they have never seen or spoken to in all the 1500 years since your religion was invented. Qoran was not written by god but by man.
@@lenwilkinson672First of all there is sim[ly no point proven when you compare a religions age to put it in example Christianity and hinduism are older than Islam but are still disproven multiple times to this day. Second, no matter how much evidence we provide to you that blockade on your soul would not want to accept the truth as falsehood has broke it apart Third, You act as if you have evidence that The Holy Qur'an is "written by a man" while it is impossible to come up with something even similar to one verse of The Holy Qur'an . The Holy Qur'an was originally revealed through Oral tradition until it was noted down and compiled into what we know today as The Holy Qur'an. How can you as a human who is a lower class creature expect pr even think about seeing God? While God Almighty's wrath alone is unsurvivable. If you can not look at the Sun with your own eyes then how can you expect or even think about looking at its creator?
I could listen to brother Ali speak all day. The research, clarity, and knowledge he possesses is absolutely amazing. I am super grateful for these videos brother Paul. Jazakallah!
How could we not fall in love with Islam over and over again.. Spiritually & intellectually fulfilling to the core! Barakallahufeek Br Paul and Sh Ataie'
C.est normal quand la vérité se présente les portes s.ouvres les coeurs reconnaissants la parole d.allah/ainsi l.esprit est serin et l'âme est en paix le coeur s'épanouir de voir à l.interieux son corps se purifie) Salam alykhom frère et soeurs lisez le CORAN en traduction anglaise c.est un remède à toutes les problèmes un stabilisateur de toutes les conscience QUI n.arrivent pas à se situé ou se trouve leurs bonheurs) Chaque être humaines que ALLAH à créer possède une partie de vérité en LUI qui et nommé dans l.islam (Elfidra) chercher dans la meilleur partie de vous VOTRE coeur vous allez la trouver en larmes en reconnaissant ses tort/C.est de la que vient l.intervention divine D.ALLAH [la hiday'ah]une nouvelle orientation qui vous guidera vers sa lumière PLIEN de miséricorde INSHALLAH)
Alhamdulillah. Thank you once again Sidi Paul and Prof. Ataie. Ma sha Allah, what an enlightening piece. Thank you for bolstering our faith in the Quran with a sound dose of historical evidence.
Dear Paul, Thank you so much for bringing Dr. Ali Ataie with excellent topic of discussion. We are grateful to Allah Azza wajal for blessing us with the likes of you, Dr. Ali Ataie and many more. May Allah bless you immensely, grant you blessings and barakah in your life, wealth and offsprings. We love you for the sake of Allah.
Can’t wait for Part II. As a mother living in the West, the content is crucial to assist my children navigate the interfaith dialogue they engage in with friends and colleagues. Thank you. May Allah bless you Dr Altai and Paul.
We are face to face with 2 Pauls the first one who destroyed Christianity and the 2nd one that Islam flourishes because of him ( I mean you my father Williams Paul) .... You are the first one who gives me a good understanding of religions, it's amazing for me... Thank you very much, God bless you 💕.
Believe it or not, some of these materials has been taught in our madrasa since elementery level.. No way somebody can says it's been hidden from this ummah. Good job as always, paul. Barakallahu fiik
Well, you were fortunate. For a great many of us, this was not the case - and there was no internet back then. We were left having it drummed into our heads over and over again "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" with no source material that we had direct access to because, like most other Muslims, we couldn't speak Arabic. We had to take our teachers word for it and they all lied. Even when I started getting acquainted with topics like ahruf and qira'at later on, almost every explanation I was given was a lie. More often than not, when I see the issue being discussed among internet da'i etc, their explanations are still a lie.
@@divinity176 What a lie... we have quiraat readings in our mosques and we have qiraat readings championship every year that are podcasts in front of millions of people.... We have books about the quiraat of the quran since centuries... Are you living in a cave ? or are you even a muslim ??? I guess not... you have the exact same attitude than Jay fake smith and other christian bigots... and yes the quran with all the ahrufs are word for word preserved and go back to the first century...
@@divinity176 I had a similar experience to you. Was never told of the ahruf or qiraat. Islamic education is extremely lacking in our community. It comes back to bite us, when non Muslims weaponize our ignorance of our own religion against us.
@@divinity176 Actually the statement that says Quran preserved "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" is kinda true. We know that Qur'an were originally spoken through our prophet Muhammad pbuh, memorised by sahabiah, but the mushaf and rasm (consonantal skeleton a.k.a "dot") were invented later. If those kind of Arabic text or writing method was exist during the prophet pbuh life, it must be preserved word for word, letter for letter, and dot for dot too.. so it doesn't matter.
Amazing, ma sha Allah!!! I am v. proud of Prof. Ali Ataie, and what a treasure of session! May Allah bless your channel brother Paul. Long it may thrive, and grow.
Jazakumullahu khairan Prof Ali and uztaz Paul. I salute the Profs stamina for going over 2 hrs of non stop talking ( with only one or two sips of water?l). Extraordinary. But then he is a lecturer and a top reason, he was defending the Quran the kallamullah(words of Allah). May Allah reward both of you with jannatul firdaus, ameen.
Alhamdullilah - so grateful to you Paul and this channel for the lectures we are now getting - extended discussions such as this are extremely beneficial for raising the level of knowledge of all the viewers. Allahuma barik!
Subhanallah! This is amazing presentation! Dr Ali is indeed an Ata (gift) to us ummah at this time. Immensely grateful for his very detailed analysis. 🙏
"This is the best channel on TH-cam", Dr Ali Ataie. High praise indeed. Very well done, Paul. Must have something to do with tidying up your bookshelf ;-)
Bless you professor Ali Ataie and you too Paul, what an amazing presentation and what an amazing defence of the Quran, many of my misconceptions have been answered, lay muslims like me were never bothered by how the quran was and is preserved until last few years when certain christian you tubers started to create mischief and doubt over the authenticity of the quran, thank you Paul and professor Ataie for you have put them back into the dark box that they crawled out from, you have a subscrber ! May Allah grant you both amazing success in this world and the hereafter for your efforts for this ummah.
I love dr ali for the sake off Allah his knowledge and his humbleness is obvious may Allah keep us all on the straight path Thank u brother paul for wonderful content
That's so great to listen from Dr. Ali, he is such an erudite person. Thank you brother Paul ❤️ for always bringing the best minds to help us understand Quran
Mashallah tabarakallah..... such a great exploration into one of the main reasons I differed in catholic school growing up about inviable texts I couldn't except from the old And the new testament which later through all the personal research that indeed lead me to islam...Allah hu akbar❤️
Thanks for this amazing episode 👍👍 Dr. Ali Atai's meetings are so full of well established information and insights. I love what he said in the beginning about Muslims' ignorance of their own traditional sources which is truly a serious problem.
This lecture is a gem and I’ll be using it as a high quality reference for the future. It’s a must watch for everyone and should have billions of views
@@polokucoch8112 could be because humans can make errors. That’s why there are numerical codes in the Quran which prove without the shadow of a doubt it’s preservation and divine origin. Just look up mathematical code and the number 19 in the Quran. It’s not a matter of someone else’s opinion
@@polokucoch8112 if your really serious about it then you should look it up. It takes a lot of time to study it. If you don’t want to research it that’s not really my problem
This is definitely the most comprehensive, eloquent and succinct lecture I’ve ever seen on the subjects handled within it in the English language. Dr. Ataei is an absolute gem mashallah and I cannot thank you enough Paul for continuing to present his amazing summations of the vast amount of information he has on your channel. May the Most High bless you both for everything you do.
Chapters: 0:00 - Introduction 0:19 - Dr. Ali praises Blogging Theology 0:40 - Background of Dr. Ali 1:26 - Topic of the Presentation 2:20 - Start of the Presentation 3:40 - Muslims doubting Qur'an's Preservation 4:55 - Textual Variance of the Qur'an vs the Bible 7:06 - Deceptions of the Critics of Islam 8:38 - Attestation of the Qur'an in the 1st century 10:02 - Historicity of the New Testament 14:12 - The Writings of the Christian Apostolic Fathers of the 1st Century CE 25:06 - The Qur'an's Attestation in its 1st Century 28:54 - Other 1st Century Manuscripts Hijri 31:30 - The Ahruf & Qira'at 34:31 - The Seven Ahruf 38:05 - The Prophet ﷺ recited the Qur'an as a Multiformic text 41:33 - What exactly are the Ahruf? 42:53 - Examples of the Categories of the Ahruf 54:21 - The Companion Codices or "Textual Traditions" 57:30 - The Uthmanic Codex Committee 1:00:01 - The "Common Ancestor" of all MSS: "The Prophetic Archetype" 1:02:14 - The Uthmanic Textual Tradition: The Best of the Prophet's ﷺ Readings 1:06:47 - Skeletal (Rasmi) Variance in the TT of IM vs the TT of 'UT 1:13:13 - Abandoned Readings 1:18:17 - What about the Hadith? 1:21:16 - No Surah 1 (Al-Fatihah) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex 1:27:38 - No Surahs 113 & 114 (Al-Mu'awwadatayn) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex 1:31:30 - Ubayy B. K'ab & the Extra Two "Surahs"? 1:40:51 - The "Guilt Complex" of the Christian Polemicists 1:46:23 - What is the Uthmanic Textual Tradition? 1:52:19 - Is the Uthmanic Codex/Textual Tradition incorrect? 1:57:31 - The Sana'a Palimpsest (C1) 2:05:53 - From the Uthmanic Codices to the Ten Authorised Qira'at 2:11:00 - How did Reciters know how to read the Codices? 2:14:24 - Three Conditions for an Authorised Recitation 2:18:14 - The Canonical Transmitters of the Eponymous Reciters 2:27:06 - Reciters reciting Unauthorised Recitations 2:30:09 - Refuting the Orientalists & Christian Polemicists 2:36:53 - Four Main Grades of Recitation 2:41:54 - Epilogue: "A Goat ate the Qur'an" Hadith 2:47:08 - Dr. Ali's thoughts about Daniel Brubaker's work 2:57:02 - Closing Remarks
@@sacredrider The verb 'rationalise' has more than one meaning, one of which is to reorganise something so as to make it more logical, in this case the attempt at the removal of variants and anomalies within the differing Koranic texts.
@@sacredrider If you're saying that there is only, and always has been, one Koran, that's not true. And preservation entails more than the inclusion or omission of verses anyway. As I stated earlier, what need was there to try in Cairo to standardise the canonical text and achieve uniformity otherwise?
Mashallah! 🙏 Another superb and enlightening presentation from the erudite and polymath Brother!... can't wait for the 2and part!... Thanks again Paul for bringing him on! 👍🏼
Finished the 3-hour lecture over 3-4 sittings. Really a new additional knowledge for me. Alhamdulillah, i think it is easy to accept and understand given the 'pre warning' by Dr Yasir Qadhi before. - Our quran is a multiformic oral tradition that been mass transmitted since the time of the prophet. - pre Uthmani codex like C1 and Ibn Mas'ud were individual copies for personal reference and may contain scribal errors/personal notes/incomplete. - Uthmani codex stabilises the quran, although at the expense of certain acceptable small variation being left out. - 7 ahruf as stated in the tradition is not the same as 7 qiraat. - the variations and critics of the variation are all available in our traditions, nothing is hidden. Thank you so much. May Allah preserve both of you.
Al hamdullilah. Blogging Theology is a great and valuable educational asset. May Allah bless you brother Paul William and your current quest Dr. Ali. Dr Ali information on how the Holy Quran was preserved is most informative. Indeed, this was a very rich and informative podcast
Thank you Dr. Ataie. Thank you Paul. An extremely cogent, intellectually stimulating and comprehensive presentation. The incredible and remarkable way in which ALLAH preserved The Quran, reflects HIS unfathomable wisdom and knowledge. Thank you!
I learned so much from this video. This is beyond exceptional. I’ve listened to this twice and going to take notes on my third watch 😊😊 This is like university lecture. But don’t have to pay an arm and an leg for such outstanding knowledge (speaking from someone in North America.)
@@shanewilson2484Well, it's necessary to know what's written in the book of God to protect ourselves and the future generation from becoming a nihilist selfish human being indoctrinated with western insanity
Regarding to the ahruf and qira'at, it is a well known fact for us here in Malaysia. Many of us especially those who studied in religious school aware of these recitation variations.
And they still don't explain the textual differences between the 37 extant Arabic Korans. Even shabir Ali is now saying it's unscholarly up claim the Koran is perfectly preserved.
This is one of the best and comprehensive (lecture) video on the preservation of the Quran which can easily be converted into a mini course itself. Paul and Ustad Ali Ataie, may ALLAH grant you ajar for this.
@@BloggingTheology I will be 77 this December, and I have seen so much, but the TRUTH remains my best Way to the Source! God bless you for your great and brave work! Salaam Shalom Shanti Peace Basheer
@@BloggingTheology Dear Paul, if you can, kindly address the points raised below. Before Islamic prophet died in AD 632, he got the complete revelation of Quran, right? He was illiterate. Still he ensured that the Quran verses were recorded with the help of his companions (sahabis). Those ayaths were recorded on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves according to Islamic history! That was the very FIRST QURAN! THE ORIGINAL QURAN! THE REFERENCE QURAN WHICH SHOULD LAST FOREVER! THE VERY QURAN ALLAH PROMISED TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT FOREVER! NOW THE QUESTION IS: WHERE IS THAT ORIGINAL REFERENCE QURAN AS ON TODAY? WHERE IS THAT QURAN PROTECTED AND PRESERVED BY ALLAH HIMSELF AS ON TODAY? IF IT EXISTS TODAY , YES IT IS A MIRACLE AS MUSLIMS CLAIM! IF NOT, ISLAM SIMPLY COLLAPSES! You agree? However what is the real truth? 1. Most probably that Original Reference Quran recorded by the Islamic prophet was included in the Quran portions destroyed by fire on orders of Caliph Uthman. If so that Original Reference Quran is lost forever! 2. What about the present Quran available with us? a. First post Islamic prophet Quran was made after his death in AD 632. Caliph Abu Bakr was forced to compile the first post Islamic prophet Quran because of sudden death of many Quran memorizers in the subsequent wars. Did Allah or prophet commanded him to do the compilation of Quran? No, never! In fact Allah himself promised to preserve and protect his Quran forever! However sudden loss of so many Quran memorizers forced Caliph Abu Bakr to take his own decision, without seeking advice from Allah or Muhammad! That is how the Abu Bar Quran came into existence! Most Muslims will get shocked that this First Quran had no involvement of Allah or prophet! b. Thus Abu Bakr appointed a young man, Zyad Ibn Tabith, who was previously the scribe of the Islamic prophet before his death. Zyad Ibn Tabith was obviously reluctant to undertake the job, which was not commanded by Allah or prophet. However he had no other choice, but to obey the orders of the king. c. Why did Caliph Abu Baker ordered the compilation of Quran, which was not commanded by Allah or prophet when Allah himself promised to protect his Quran? Means, Abu Baker had no faith in Allah's words? And he compiled a Quran with the help of above Zyed Ibn Tabit. Obviously an unauthorized Quran! However even this unauthorized Quran was not complete! One ayath was missing in it for so many years! No one could identify or realize or point out the grave mistake! Finally Zyed Ibn Tabit while revising the Abu Baker Quran, on orders of Caliph Uthman, remembered about the grave mistake and added the ayath in the Revised Uthman's Quran! And Caliph Uthman ordered the destruction of all other Quran materials!!! d. Even the Revised Uthman's Quran had its own problems. Two solid Surahs were missing in it and also one ayath on stoning of adulterous women and verse of suckling the breast by adult men! e. Abdullah ibn Masʽood was one of the four most prominent Quran teachers appointed by Islamic prophet. He totally disapproved the Revised Uthman's Quran too! Then, what credibility Revised Uthman's Quran got ? f. Now Muslims use many different ARABIC QURANS! See the links below please. 1. Display of 26 versions of Arabic Quran @ Hyde Park , London th-cam.com/video/EsgphL9lGcc/w-d-xo.html 2. Why are there over 30 different Arabic Qur’ans? - Quranic Corrections Ep. 3 th-cam.com/video/EpsnXMZ5lEE/w-d-xo.html g. Here is a solid example for totally different Arabic Qurans. FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS sihraani ... two works of magic ... 28:48 FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH saahiraani ... two magicians ... 28:48 Obviously "two works of magic" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS cannot be exactly equal to "two magicians" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH. Both cannot be true! When that is the ground reality, many Muslim brethren still hold on to the belief that ""Allah sent the Final Testament, the Qur'an, and unlike the previous books, has never been changed."" Only one book in the planet earth claims preservation and protection straight away from God Almighty! Means, that Book must be visible to anyone who would like to see that! Who would like to cross check it! Whereas when ask questions we get answer that it is preserved in memory! Does it make any sense? Even prophet himself forgot ayaths! That is recorded in Islamic texts! That means preservation by memory is not a genuine option! That is why the prophet painstakingly recorded the Quran ayaths on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves! And his followers gave no respect for his works! They did not bother! No wonder the Original Reference Quran went in flames by Caliph, Uthman! And Allah was totally missing in whole Quran preservation and protection process!
@@truthprevails5173 wow you are wrong on so many levels it's not even funny You clearly don't know nothing about Islamic and modern works of History on this issue. You should really watch the video before commenting if you want to have basic level of knowledge on this issue. You first make an unsubstantiated claim that there was an original copy of Quran (original mushaf) while everyone knows that the primary method of perseving the Quran was and is through memorization while some companions had their own personal mushaf. Than you build another unsubstantiated claim upon your first, claiming that Uthman must have burnt the original Quran ... This is too funny man I can't even take you seriously at this point. Go troll somewhere else 🤣
@@nimasws4594 You study your own holy books and history please. Then point out one by one the mistakes in what I wrote above! Thereafter we will discuss in detail!
SubhanAllah is the only thing I can say.. Barak Allahu fiek for the lessons ! I learned so much... I'm gonna look up all 7 forms now and enjoy this beauty !
Thank you so much for making this mich needed and such an amazing conversation. Allah bless you. You have no idea how much this analysis has benefitted us!
Simply brilliant and breathtaking the level of knowledge transmitted by Bro Dr Ali Ataei. He is truly a gem of our Ummah. May Allah reward Bro Paul and Bro Dr Ali Ataei abundantly for your contribution to Islam. Aameen.
Thank you for inviting Professor Ataie. Young people should learn this more and i would happily discuss it with my kids as they learn Qur'an and on the way being hafidz insyaaAllah
1:36:00 I'm no learned person in regards to the Quran but at the latest when you see the translation and you're a Muslim you can immediately recognize these 'Surahs' as Du'as
*Timestamps:*
0:00 - Introduction
0:19 - Dr. Ali praises Blogging Theology
0:40 - Background of Dr. Ali
1:26 - Topic of the Presentation
2:20 - Start of the Presentation
3:40 - Muslims doubting Qur'an's Preservation
4:55 - Textual Variance of the Qur'an vs the Bible
7:06 - Deceptions of the Critics of Islam
8:38 - Attestation of the Qur'an in the 1st century
10:02 - Historicity of the New Testament
14:12 - The Writings of the Christian Apostolic Fathers of the 1st Century CE
25:06 - The Qur'an's Attestation in its 1st Century
28:54 - Other 1st Century Manuscripts Hijri
31:30 - The Ahruf & Qira'at
34:31 - The Seven Ahruf
38:05 - The Prophet ﷺ recited the Qur'an as a Multiformic text
41:33 - What exactly are the Ahruf?
42:53 - Examples of the Categories of the Ahruf
54:21 - The Companion Codices or "Textual Traditions"
57:30 - The Uthmanic Codex Committee
1:00:01 - The "Common Ancestor" of all MSS: "The Prophetic Archetype"
1:02:14 - The Uthmanic Textual Tradition: The Best of the Prophet's ﷺ Readings
1:06:47 - Skeletal (Rasmi) Variance in the TT of IM vs the TT of 'UT
1:13:13 - Abandoned Readings
1:18:17 - What about the Hadith?
1:21:16 - No Surah 1 (Al-Fatihah) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex
1:27:38 - No Surahs 113 & 114 (Al-Mu'awwadatayn) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex
1:31:30 - Ubayy B. K'ab & the Extra Two "Surahs"?
1:40:51 - The "Guilt Complex" of the Christian Polemicists
1:46:23 - What is the Uthmanic Textual Tradition?
1:52:19 - Is the Uthmanic Codex/Textual Tradition incorrect?
1:57:31 - The Sana'a Palimpsest (C1)
2:05:53 - From the Uthmanic Codices to the Ten Authorised Qira'at
2:11:00 - How did Reciters know how to read the Codices?
2:14:24 - Three Conditions for an Authorised Recitation
2:18:14 - The Canonical Transmitters of the Eponymous Reciters
2:27:06 - Reciters reciting Unauthorised Recitations
2:30:09 - Refuting the Orientalists & Christian Polemicists
2:36:53 - Four Main Grades of Recitation
2:41:54 - Epilogue: "A Goat ate the Qur'an" Hadith
2:47:08 - Dr. Ali's thoughts about Daniel Brubaker's work
2:57:02 - Closing Remarks
SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖
Brilliant Presentation & Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻
_May Allah ﷻ bless you both and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
Sup champ
@@huskee7684 بارك اللٰه فيك أخي 😄
@Asadullah SAAiD Fantastic work! many thanks!
May Allah reward you
From Abu Hurairah ra, the Prophet SAW said: "Whoever relieves a believer of a difficulty, surely Allah will relieve him of a difficulty on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever makes the affairs of others easy, surely Allah will make it easy for him in this world and in the hereafter. ( HR Muslim)
Let it sink in. We have the whole Quran in EXTANT manuscripts dating back to the sahaba time, and not any sahaba but the Rashidun! And this is just the written form, not even getting into the oral mass transmission. Alhamdulillah for the preservation of the Quran.
Yeah, Subhanah, what a blessing ❤️
Alhamdullilah 🙏🌹
Be accurate. Not the Sahaba's time, but first century. Most of the Sahaba did not live beyond the first half of that century. But yes, despite the mess, we have the Qur'an very well documented and attested.
@@QuranicIslam 1st century sahabas was their what are you saying?
@@asif8224
I'm saying be accurate. These masaahif are not dated to "the time of the Sahaba". Not that it matters anyway. We don't have Uthman's mashafs nor a definitive mashaf of any sahabi though by all rights we should. That is the failing of the early Ummah
@@QuranicIslam early menuscript dated back prophet pbuh lifetime!
You mean 100% Quran??
What are you trying to say?
I'm from Egypt and my father (90 years old now) tells us proudly about his grand mother who used to be very good at reciting the Quran with all the 7 qera'at and how she was honored and celebrated for this. Muslims always knew about that and, in fact, celebrated it as part of the impressive nature of the holy Quran.
I'm proud of your grandmother. Masyallah!
Yes you've summed it up. Many knew of this, it's not controversial in the slightest. In fact it adds another layer of depth to the Quran which is truly astonishing.
The variances are subtle, it's in a letter or word, and only accounts for a small percentage of the Quran. The codex committee of Uthman (RA) did a tremendous job, tremendous.
Now contrast that to what happened in Christianity, and the infamous Council meeting several decades and centuries later to establish the Bible. It was a laughing stock, ppl guessing, scratching heads, a patch work to put it mildly. An effect felt today with countless changes and versions of the Bible.
@@SamThuMan Great, then go rebuke your other scholar yasir qadhi.
He said this stuff should be talked in private. It's not easy.
Go watch his interview with mohamed hijab.
Oh no, they both deleted it from their channels.
Aren't we lucky that the CHRISTIANS have saved it 😂😂😂
Question :How does one become a muslim scholar?
Answer: Get a degree in deception first.
RIAI
Yasir Qahdi doesn’t represent all of Islam!
What do you call a medical student who passes 7 years of medical school with D grade compared to a student who passes with an A grade???
A Doctor!
Not all scholars are the same! Just like not all priests and paedophiles!
Yasir Qahdi doesn’t represent all of Islam!
What do you call a medical student who passes 7 years of medical school with D grade compared to a student who passes with an A grade???
A Doctor!
Not all scholars are the same! Just like not all priests and paedophiles!
Continue your excellent work
Many thanks!
*SPOILER OF THE EPISODE:*
*_Yes, the Quran is perfectly preserved_*
When you lie, you can claim it's perfectly preserved. Yes.
@@RobinoftheHod you mean, I'm right but your little fee fees are hurt by that.
@@RobinoftheHod Yasir Qadhi and now Shabbir Ally have broken ranks and said of course it's not perfectly preserved. Ally even said it's not scholarly to claim it.
@Jo Sm Shabir Ally and Yasir Qadhi are NOT infallible. Numerous Scholars of great stature and repute (both Muslim and non-Muslim), endowed and equipped with knowledge, have established the perfect preservation of The Quran based on hardcore evidence and facts. Stop acting like an ignorant fool, and do your research before you propogate nonsense!
@@farhanwyne6040 no they haven't. The only people who persist with perfect preservation are lying Islamists. As Yasir Qadhi said, the 'scholars' and sheikhs tell the ignorant it's perfectly preserved because you think that's evidence of divinity. But, as he said, 'advanced scholars' had always known the ahruf and q'irat do not explain the 90,000 differences between the 37 Arabic Korans.
Always a pleasure to listen to Professor Ataie. Thanks for all the great work Paul!
What the fuck are you doing here...
Hakim, to find you here is amazing brother. I love your videos
Omg you're here yesss your content is super cool hella informative.
I don't usually comment on videos, but I cannot thank you enough for this extensive lecture. It is exactly what I needed and more. May Allah reward you and bless you 🤲
Glad it was helpful!
It amazes me how Allah Subhanah gives a chance to such treasures and gems of our heritage to speak for Islam. May Allah bless you both!
Allah doesn't exist and islam is collapsing.
@STIGGARRIUS. ALL religions,what are they for.whai is it that makes people believe in someone they have never seen or spoken to in all the 1500 years since your religion was invented. Qoran was not written by god but by man.
@@lenwilkinson672 understood, thanks for sharing your thoughts
@@lenwilkinson672First of all there is sim[ly no point proven when you compare a religions age to put it in example Christianity and hinduism are older than Islam but are still disproven multiple times to this day.
Second, no matter how much evidence we provide to you that blockade on your soul would not want to accept the truth as falsehood has broke it apart
Third, You act as if you have evidence that The Holy Qur'an is "written by a man" while it is impossible to come up with something even similar to one verse of The Holy Qur'an .
The Holy Qur'an was originally revealed through Oral tradition until it was noted down and compiled into what we know today as The Holy Qur'an.
How can you as a human who is a lower class creature expect pr even think about seeing God? While God Almighty's wrath alone is unsurvivable. If you can not look at the Sun with your own eyes then how can you expect or even think about looking at its creator?
I could listen to brother Ali speak all day. The research, clarity, and knowledge he possesses is absolutely amazing. I am super grateful for these videos brother Paul. Jazakallah!
How could we not fall in love with Islam over and over again..
Spiritually & intellectually fulfilling to the core!
Barakallahufeek Br Paul and Sh Ataie'
I respect how you feel for Islam. I'm seeking simply to have a love for God, the One True God. I'm a Christian believer. Peace
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Thank you for such kind words.God bless!
@@wanfatinsuryaniewa7007 And thanks to you too. Peace of God be with each of us in these troubling days.
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C.est normal quand la vérité se présente les portes s.ouvres les coeurs reconnaissants la parole d.allah/ainsi l.esprit est serin et l'âme est en paix le coeur s'épanouir de voir à l.interieux son corps se purifie)
Salam alykhom frère et soeurs lisez le CORAN en traduction anglaise c.est un remède à toutes les problèmes un stabilisateur de toutes les conscience QUI n.arrivent pas à se situé ou se trouve leurs bonheurs)
Chaque être humaines que ALLAH à créer possède une partie de vérité en LUI qui et nommé dans l.islam (Elfidra) chercher dans la meilleur partie de vous VOTRE coeur vous allez la trouver en larmes en reconnaissant ses tort/C.est de la que vient l.intervention divine D.ALLAH [la hiday'ah]une nouvelle orientation qui vous guidera vers sa lumière PLIEN de miséricorde INSHALLAH)
Excellent lecture. Thanks Paul for having him again.
Prof Ataei is my one of my fav guest. Thank you for having him again.
Alhamdulillah. Thank you once again Sidi Paul and Prof. Ataie. Ma sha Allah, what an enlightening piece. Thank you for bolstering our faith in the Quran with a sound dose of historical evidence.
Dear Paul,
Thank you so much for bringing Dr. Ali Ataie with excellent topic of discussion. We are grateful to Allah Azza wajal for blessing us with the likes of you, Dr. Ali Ataie and many more. May Allah bless you immensely, grant you blessings and barakah in your life, wealth and offsprings. We love you for the sake of Allah.
Alhamdulillah
Can’t wait for Part II. As a mother living in the West, the content is crucial to assist my children navigate the interfaith dialogue they engage in with friends and colleagues. Thank you. May Allah bless you Dr Altai and Paul.
*Ataie…
May Allah Bless you sister .. I pray that more mothers become concerned for their kids regarding Islam .
I’m also very interested in part 2 as a non Muslim im intrigued by the idea of part 2 maybe 🤔 if part 2 strikes my heart I’ll revert
@@intuitivesean443 Hello, Blogging Theology welcomes you. My salutations 👋
where can we buy/read his books ?
We are face to face with 2 Pauls the first one who destroyed Christianity and the 2nd one that Islam flourishes because of him ( I mean you my father Williams Paul) .... You are the first one who gives me a good understanding of religions, it's amazing for me... Thank you very much, God bless you 💕.
Believe it or not, some of these materials has been taught in our madrasa since elementery level.. No way somebody can says it's been hidden from this ummah. Good job as always, paul. Barakallahu fiik
Well, you were fortunate. For a great many of us, this was not the case - and there was no internet back then. We were left having it drummed into our heads over and over again "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" with no source material that we had direct access to because, like most other Muslims, we couldn't speak Arabic. We had to take our teachers word for it and they all lied. Even when I started getting acquainted with topics like ahruf and qira'at later on, almost every explanation I was given was a lie. More often than not, when I see the issue being discussed among internet da'i etc, their explanations are still a lie.
@@divinity176
What a lie... we have quiraat readings in our mosques and we have qiraat readings championship every year that are podcasts in front of millions of people.... We have books about the quiraat of the quran since centuries...
Are you living in a cave ?
or are you even a muslim ??? I guess not... you have the exact same attitude than Jay fake smith and other christian bigots...
and yes the quran with all the ahrufs are word for word preserved and go back to the first century...
@@divinity176 I had a similar experience to you. Was never told of the ahruf or qiraat. Islamic education is extremely lacking in our community. It comes back to bite us, when non Muslims weaponize our ignorance of our own religion against us.
@@divinity176 Actually the statement that says Quran preserved "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" is kinda true. We know that Qur'an were originally spoken through our prophet Muhammad pbuh, memorised by sahabiah, but the mushaf and rasm (consonantal skeleton a.k.a "dot") were invented later. If those kind of Arabic text or writing method was exist during the prophet pbuh life, it must be preserved word for word, letter for letter, and dot for dot too.. so it doesn't matter.
Even in remote village in Ghana same thing
Dr. Ali Ataie is a treasure and blessing not just to the Muslim community but, for humanity overall.
I've been waiting. Absolutely adore every talk with you two
Best lecture available on this topic online. Thank you for your great work
Masha’Allah very educating video I enjoyed it throughly my faith in the Quran has strengthened even more ❤
I love this channel. It’s straight discourse, knowledge, and no drama 💙
May Allah reward you
¡Gracias!
Many thanks M. Farih!
Thank so much shiekh paul for bringing the legend prof Ali Ataie on blogging theology once again... may Allah swt bless you
Amazing, ma sha Allah!!! I am v. proud of Prof. Ali Ataie, and what a treasure of session! May Allah bless your channel brother Paul. Long it may thrive, and grow.
Jazakumullahu khairan Prof Ali and uztaz Paul. I salute the Profs stamina for going over 2 hrs of non stop talking ( with only one or two sips of water?l). Extraordinary. But then he is a lecturer and a top reason, he was defending the Quran the kallamullah(words of Allah). May Allah reward both of you with jannatul firdaus, ameen.
Blogging Theology is fast becoming the number 1 TH-cam source for religion majors.
Nothing beats Br. Paul and Prof Ataie podcasts/interviews/discussions
Dr. Ataie ?!!
Thumbs up before even watching ;)
God bless you Paul
Alhamdullilah - so grateful to you Paul and this channel for the lectures we are now getting - extended discussions such as this are extremely beneficial for raising the level of knowledge of all the viewers. Allahuma barik!
Can’t wait for part two. This was mind blowing
Dr Ali is a gem, absolutely love him. I’d pay money to hang out with him for a day and just listen to him
Subhanallah! This is amazing presentation! Dr Ali is indeed an Ata (gift) to us ummah at this time. Immensely grateful for his very detailed analysis. 🙏
Suburban Shawarma!
"This is the best channel on TH-cam", Dr Ali Ataie.
High praise indeed. Very well done, Paul.
Must have something to do with tidying up your bookshelf ;-)
Such an interesting interview ❤
*_A valuable documentary on the preservation of the Noble Quran._*
Bless you professor Ali Ataie and you too Paul, what an amazing presentation and what an amazing defence of the Quran, many of my misconceptions have been answered, lay muslims like me were never bothered by how the quran was and is preserved until last few years when certain christian you tubers started to create mischief and doubt over the authenticity of the quran, thank you Paul and professor Ataie for you have put them back into the dark box that they crawled out from, you have a subscrber ! May Allah grant you both amazing success in this world and the hereafter for your efforts for this ummah.
Subhannallah. Love the presentations and slideshows and the bibliographical book recommendations!! Jazakallah Kair. May Allah increase us all!!
May Allah bless Dr Ali Ataie. He is a great scholar
In Indonesia, we learn this at Madrasah
Amazing -- masha Allah Dr. Ali and Paul -- don't have words to praise you and your efforts... May Allah accept this from you ..
This was one of my favorite episodes! Dr. Ataei does a wonderful job in breaking down the topic, JazakumAllah Khair!
I love dr ali for the sake off Allah his knowledge and his humbleness is obvious may Allah keep us all on the straight path
Thank u brother paul for wonderful content
Thank you so so much for the free lecture and education. This is a rare gem. May God bless you both.
Paul you NEED to bring him in for more videos he’s soo knowledgeable Masha Allah!
That's so great to listen from Dr. Ali, he is such an erudite person. Thank you brother Paul ❤️ for always bringing the best minds to help us understand Quran
Thanks
Many thanks Mohamed Elbangy!
Mashallah tabarakallah..... such a great exploration into one of the main reasons I differed in catholic school growing up about inviable texts I couldn't except from the old And the new testament which later through all the personal research that indeed lead me to islam...Allah hu akbar❤️
An amazing presentation. Well thought out, well represented. Jazaaka Allah for this.
In need of showing you my appreciation again, thank you both for this interview, may Allah Tabarak wa Ta'la reward you both.
Such a valuable video for the ummah, I need to watch it another 10 times to full grasp all the concepts and arguments. Many thanks to both of you!!!!
Thanks for this amazing episode 👍👍 Dr. Ali Atai's meetings are so full of well established information and insights. I love what he said in the beginning about Muslims' ignorance of their own traditional sources which is truly a serious problem.
Alhamdulillah...... Knowledge is power!!!
This lecture is a gem and I’ll be using it as a high quality reference for the future.
It’s a must watch for everyone and should have billions of views
@@polokucoch8112 could be because humans can make errors. That’s why there are numerical codes in the Quran which prove without the shadow of a doubt it’s preservation and divine origin. Just look up mathematical code and the number 19 in the Quran. It’s not a matter of someone else’s opinion
@@polokucoch8112 if your really serious about it then you should look it up. It takes a lot of time to study it. If you don’t want to research it that’s not really my problem
Thank you 3hrs well worth spent. Excited to listen to the 2nd series/part.
This is definitely the most comprehensive, eloquent and succinct lecture I’ve ever seen on the subjects handled within it in the English language. Dr. Ataei is an absolute gem mashallah and I cannot thank you enough Paul for continuing to present his amazing summations of the vast amount of information he has on your channel. May the Most High bless you both for everything you do.
Absolute gem marshmallow!
Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
0:19 - Dr. Ali praises Blogging Theology
0:40 - Background of Dr. Ali
1:26 - Topic of the Presentation
2:20 - Start of the Presentation
3:40 - Muslims doubting Qur'an's Preservation
4:55 - Textual Variance of the Qur'an vs the Bible
7:06 - Deceptions of the Critics of Islam
8:38 - Attestation of the Qur'an in the 1st century
10:02 - Historicity of the New Testament
14:12 - The Writings of the Christian Apostolic Fathers of the 1st Century CE
25:06 - The Qur'an's Attestation in its 1st Century
28:54 - Other 1st Century Manuscripts Hijri
31:30 - The Ahruf & Qira'at
34:31 - The Seven Ahruf
38:05 - The Prophet ﷺ recited the Qur'an as a Multiformic text
41:33 - What exactly are the Ahruf?
42:53 - Examples of the Categories of the Ahruf
54:21 - The Companion Codices or "Textual Traditions"
57:30 - The Uthmanic Codex Committee
1:00:01 - The "Common Ancestor" of all MSS: "The Prophetic Archetype"
1:02:14 - The Uthmanic Textual Tradition: The Best of the Prophet's ﷺ Readings
1:06:47 - Skeletal (Rasmi) Variance in the TT of IM vs the TT of 'UT
1:13:13 - Abandoned Readings
1:18:17 - What about the Hadith?
1:21:16 - No Surah 1 (Al-Fatihah) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex
1:27:38 - No Surahs 113 & 114 (Al-Mu'awwadatayn) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex
1:31:30 - Ubayy B. K'ab & the Extra Two "Surahs"?
1:40:51 - The "Guilt Complex" of the Christian Polemicists
1:46:23 - What is the Uthmanic Textual Tradition?
1:52:19 - Is the Uthmanic Codex/Textual Tradition incorrect?
1:57:31 - The Sana'a Palimpsest (C1)
2:05:53 - From the Uthmanic Codices to the Ten Authorised Qira'at
2:11:00 - How did Reciters know how to read the Codices?
2:14:24 - Three Conditions for an Authorised Recitation
2:18:14 - The Canonical Transmitters of the Eponymous Reciters
2:27:06 - Reciters reciting Unauthorised Recitations
2:30:09 - Refuting the Orientalists & Christian Polemicists
2:36:53 - Four Main Grades of Recitation
2:41:54 - Epilogue: "A Goat ate the Qur'an" Hadith
2:47:08 - Dr. Ali's thoughts about Daniel Brubaker's work
2:57:02 - Closing Remarks
This channel is a gem
May Allah bless you both! Thank you for bringing up this topic and with prof. Ataie!
Alhamdulillah and thank you Paul for bringing back Dr Ali, such a great scholar....
Thank you so much brother Paul and brother Ali god bless you
The Qur'an was preserved during the time of the Prophet ﷺ and his companions. It will be preserved until the day it is lifted from this world.
That's not true. Why, for instance, did the Koran need to be rationalised in Cairo in the 1920s if there were no variants?
@@maxb9315 Did you not watch the video at all? What does rationalizing have to do with preservation?
@@sacredrider The verb 'rationalise' has more than one meaning, one of which is to reorganise something so as to make it more logical, in this case the attempt at the removal of variants and anomalies within the differing Koranic texts.
@@maxb9315 there two things. Did we lose all other ahruf? Is the quran today worng? It is one ahruf, thats it. They did not take out or put in verses
@@sacredrider If you're saying that there is only, and always has been, one Koran, that's not true. And preservation entails more than the inclusion or omission of verses anyway. As I stated earlier, what need was there to try in Cairo to standardise the canonical text and achieve uniformity otherwise?
Mashallah! 🙏 Another superb and enlightening presentation from the erudite and polymath Brother!... can't wait for the 2and part!... Thanks again Paul for bringing him on! 👍🏼
Finished the 3-hour lecture over 3-4 sittings. Really a new additional knowledge for me. Alhamdulillah, i think it is easy to accept and understand given the 'pre warning' by Dr Yasir Qadhi before.
- Our quran is a multiformic oral tradition that been mass transmitted since the time of the prophet.
- pre Uthmani codex like C1 and Ibn Mas'ud were individual copies for personal reference and may contain scribal errors/personal notes/incomplete.
- Uthmani codex stabilises the quran, although at the expense of certain acceptable small variation being left out.
- 7 ahruf as stated in the tradition is not the same as 7 qiraat.
- the variations and critics of the variation are all available in our traditions, nothing is hidden.
Thank you so much. May Allah preserve both of you.
This is one of the best videos I have ever watched. Jazakum Allah khair
Al hamdullilah. Blogging Theology is a great and valuable educational asset.
May Allah bless you brother Paul William and your current quest Dr. Ali. Dr Ali information on how the Holy Quran was preserved is most informative. Indeed, this was a very rich and informative podcast
Thank you Dr. Ataie. Thank you Paul. An extremely cogent, intellectually stimulating and comprehensive presentation. The incredible and remarkable way in which ALLAH preserved The Quran, reflects HIS unfathomable wisdom and knowledge. Thank you!
Thank YOU Farhan. Take care Akhi. Salams.
Lecture loaded with wisdom and full thoughts of great knowledge. This man lecture need to be every week .Addicted to Paul channel.
I learned so much from this video. This is beyond exceptional. I’ve listened to this twice and going to take notes on my third watch 😊😊 This is like university lecture. But don’t have to pay an arm and an leg for such outstanding knowledge (speaking from someone in North America.)
@@polokucoch8112there is literally no changed its dialect no variant
This is by far the best lecture I have seen on the preservation of the Quran. It adresses all the doubts and questions people have in general.
It is important that ancient nonsense is preserved so we can understand the mentality of the ancients.
@@shanewilson2484Well, it's necessary to know what's written in the book of God to protect ourselves and the future generation from becoming a nihilist selfish human being indoctrinated with western insanity
I can only say brother Paul may Allah reward you and brother Ali and all those who serve the Quran handsomely in this life and in the hereafter ameen
Just make sure your god Allah is more powerful than God YHWH IAM 🤭🤭🤭
Regarding to the ahruf and qira'at, it is a well known fact for us here in Malaysia. Many of us especially those who studied in religious school aware of these recitation variations.
True bro.. i learn since secondary school (KKQ).. but never master it😂.. lupa habis dah bang.. adoyaiii
@@adliahmad3716 ahahahah
And they still don't explain the textual differences between the 37 extant Arabic Korans.
Even shabir Ali is now saying it's unscholarly up claim the Koran is perfectly preserved.
@@josm1481 dude do you lived in Malaysia ??
@@josm1481
You are a liar.
Sir Paul your excitement can be felt anywhere in the world im sure, :D we all feel the same, may Allah preserve you both!
This is one of the best and comprehensive (lecture) video on the preservation of the Quran which can easily be converted into a mini course itself. Paul and Ustad Ali Ataie, may ALLAH grant you ajar for this.
Thank you for the dedication in socialising these aspects of deen. They are both educational and fascinating. I love that they are not rushed.
THANK U Dr. UR PRESENTATION IS A GEM. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT IN MY COLLECTION.
Thoroughly enjoyed this topic. Hats off to you both.
I never like making compliments, but this is the very best I have seen to date! Thanks to both Pr. Ataie and Paul!
BAFS
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@BloggingTheology I will be 77 this December, and I have seen so much, but the TRUTH remains my best Way to the Source!
God bless you for your great and brave work!
Salaam
Shalom
Shanti
Peace
Basheer
This was way overdue. Great content as always.
Finally finished watching the entire video. Thank you very much Dr Ali for your clarity and valuable Insight. May Allah preserve you.
Ameen Imam. JazakAllah khayr. May Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala preserve you as well.
Wonderful presentation! Comprehensive calming of the nerves and an excellent renewal of the infallibility of the Qur'an
Amazing and very informative show. May Allah swt reward you for your efforts to serve the the true religion of Islam.
Islam is my identity.
Has he made Part 2? So knowledgeable please keep bringing him on
Very deep and thorough insight - many thanks, Paul and Dr. Ataie
رائع رائع
Especially from 2:30
The explaination of Yassin
Jazakum Allahu khairan
Brother Paul, Jazak Allah Khair for your incredible effort in these wonderful lectures!
Glad you like them!
@@BloggingTheology when will the video about daniel 9 come with dr ali ataie?
@@BloggingTheology
Dear Paul, if you can, kindly address the points raised below.
Before Islamic prophet died in AD 632, he got the complete revelation of Quran, right?
He was illiterate. Still he ensured that the Quran verses were recorded with the help of his companions (sahabis). Those ayaths were recorded on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves according to Islamic history! That was the very FIRST QURAN! THE ORIGINAL QURAN! THE REFERENCE QURAN WHICH SHOULD LAST FOREVER! THE VERY QURAN ALLAH PROMISED TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT FOREVER!
NOW THE QUESTION IS: WHERE IS THAT ORIGINAL REFERENCE QURAN AS ON TODAY? WHERE IS THAT QURAN PROTECTED AND PRESERVED BY ALLAH HIMSELF AS ON TODAY?
IF IT EXISTS TODAY , YES IT IS A MIRACLE AS MUSLIMS CLAIM! IF NOT, ISLAM SIMPLY COLLAPSES!
You agree?
However what is the real truth?
1. Most probably that Original Reference Quran recorded by the Islamic prophet was included in the Quran portions destroyed by fire on orders of Caliph Uthman. If so that Original Reference Quran is lost forever!
2. What about the present Quran available with us?
a. First post Islamic prophet Quran was made after his death in AD 632. Caliph Abu Bakr was forced to compile the first post Islamic prophet Quran because of sudden death of many Quran memorizers in the subsequent wars. Did Allah or prophet commanded him to do the compilation of Quran? No, never!
In fact Allah himself promised to preserve and protect his Quran forever! However sudden loss of so many Quran memorizers forced Caliph Abu Bakr to take his own decision, without seeking advice from Allah or Muhammad!
That is how the Abu Bar Quran came into existence! Most Muslims will get shocked that this First Quran had no involvement of Allah or prophet!
b. Thus Abu Bakr appointed a young man, Zyad Ibn Tabith, who was previously the scribe of the Islamic prophet before his death. Zyad Ibn Tabith was obviously reluctant to undertake the job, which was not commanded by Allah or prophet. However he had no other choice, but to obey the orders of the king.
c. Why did Caliph Abu Baker ordered the compilation of Quran, which was not commanded by Allah or prophet when Allah himself promised to protect his Quran? Means, Abu Baker had no faith in Allah's words? And he compiled a Quran with the help of above Zyed Ibn Tabit. Obviously an unauthorized Quran! However even this unauthorized Quran was not complete! One ayath was missing in it for so many years! No one could identify or realize or point out the grave mistake! Finally Zyed Ibn Tabit while revising the Abu Baker Quran, on orders of Caliph Uthman, remembered about the grave mistake and added the ayath in the Revised Uthman's Quran! And Caliph Uthman ordered the destruction of all other Quran materials!!!
d. Even the Revised Uthman's Quran had its own problems. Two solid Surahs were missing in it and also one ayath on stoning of adulterous women and verse of suckling the breast by adult men!
e. Abdullah ibn Masʽood was one of the four most prominent Quran teachers appointed by Islamic prophet. He totally disapproved the Revised Uthman's Quran too! Then, what credibility Revised Uthman's Quran got ?
f. Now Muslims use many different ARABIC QURANS! See the links below please.
1. Display of 26 versions of Arabic Quran @ Hyde Park , London
th-cam.com/video/EsgphL9lGcc/w-d-xo.html
2. Why are there over 30 different Arabic Qur’ans? - Quranic Corrections Ep. 3
th-cam.com/video/EpsnXMZ5lEE/w-d-xo.html
g. Here is a solid example for totally different Arabic Qurans.
FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS
sihraani
... two works of magic ... 28:48
FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH
saahiraani
... two magicians ... 28:48
Obviously "two works of magic" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS cannot be exactly equal to "two magicians" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH. Both cannot be true!
When that is the ground reality, many Muslim brethren still hold on to the belief that ""Allah sent the Final Testament, the Qur'an, and unlike the previous books, has never been changed.""
Only one book in the planet earth claims preservation and protection straight away from God Almighty! Means, that Book must be visible to anyone who would like to see that! Who would like to cross check it!
Whereas when ask questions we get answer that it is preserved in memory! Does it make any sense? Even prophet himself forgot ayaths! That is recorded in Islamic texts! That means preservation by memory is not a genuine option! That is why the prophet painstakingly recorded the Quran ayaths on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves! And his followers gave no respect for his works! They did not bother! No wonder the Original Reference Quran went in flames by Caliph, Uthman! And Allah was totally missing in whole Quran preservation and protection process!
@@truthprevails5173 wow you are wrong on so many levels it's not even funny
You clearly don't know nothing about Islamic and modern works of History on this issue.
You should really watch the video before commenting if you want to have basic
level of knowledge on this issue.
You first make an unsubstantiated claim that there was an original copy of Quran (original mushaf) while everyone knows that the primary method of perseving the Quran was and is through memorization while some companions had their own personal mushaf.
Than you build another unsubstantiated claim upon your first, claiming that Uthman must have burnt the original Quran ...
This is too funny man I can't even take you seriously at this point. Go troll somewhere else 🤣
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You study your own holy books and history please. Then point out one by one the mistakes in what I wrote above!
Thereafter we will discuss in detail!
Dr. Ali Ataie the 'quintessential' Blogging Theology guest! Masha Allah!
Dr. Ataie does such an excellent job explaining this topic!ماشاء الله
Dr. Ataie is such a treasure of knowledge ما شاء الله
SubhanAllah is the only thing I can say.. Barak Allahu fiek for the lessons ! I learned so much... I'm gonna look up all 7 forms now and enjoy this beauty !
Thank you so much for making this mich needed and such an amazing conversation. Allah bless you. You have no idea how much this analysis has benefitted us!
Simply brilliant and breathtaking the level of knowledge transmitted by Bro Dr Ali Ataei. He is truly a gem of our Ummah. May Allah reward Bro Paul and Bro Dr Ali Ataei abundantly for your contribution to Islam. Aameen.
Thank you for inviting Professor Ataie. Young people should learn this more and i would happily discuss it with my kids as they learn Qur'an and on the way being hafidz insyaaAllah
FINALLY ALI ATAIE IS BACK
Mashaa Allah, an extraordinary presentation, indeed! I am amazed at its depth. May Allah bless both of you.
Beautiful job brother
Can't wait for part 2!!
God bless you all 💛
The level of expertise is breathtaking
Great resource and great presentation by Dr Ali Ataie. Keep up the great work with your channel. May Allah bless you in this life and Hereafter.
1:36:00 I'm no learned person in regards to the Quran but at the latest when you see the translation and you're a Muslim you can immediately recognize these 'Surahs' as Du'as