Experts on 'incel' theory in Idaho murders | Banfield
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- Behavioral analysts in Moscow, Idaho are currently trying to profile the murderer who killed four college students. There have been online theories that the University of Idaho killer was an "incel" - an involuntarily celibate male who felt rejected. Criminologist Dr. Sarah Daly and forensic psychologist Dr. Kris Mohandie weigh in on "Banfield."
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"They should check out 'Beauty And The Beast'." That's the dumbest thing I've heard said by a reporter in a long time. Fairy tails aren't indicative of real life.
she is trying to gaslight incels. just ignore that ignorant POS.
That was pathetic for her to even go there. Grrr. Annoyed tf outta me.
Np. That was a based advice. Every man should kidnap a person of the opposite gender and imprison them until they develop Stockholm syndrome.
This is sarcasm. Don't lynch me .
Was going to same the same thing, lol. Pretty sure the beast was a rich
Both of those women already tipped their hands as to their opinions of this case and men in general. Don't rule out "incels", but don't try to hang some poor b*stard because he fits the incel profile. Incel is a relatively new term anyway. Not impressed with the newsanchor or her "experts".
Theoretically, it’s someone close to the victim. More than 50% of all homicides of women are committed by current or former intimate partners. This person knew the their victims. Dog locked in empty room, no forced entry, etc. Far more personal than anything else.
Dude drugged them putting them unconscious till their numb….
Yes!!! One has no alibi, he was asleep! I think he went over there and was let in by one of those girls! His DNA would be there anyway
@@DuckSauce_0 They weren't unconscious. Where do you people get this shit?
You do know it's possible that Ethan and Xana were the intended victims? Right?
There are so many psychos roaming around these days, who knows. I can see a loner fixating on Kaylee and Maddie's social media and feeling fury at their unattainable attractiveness and carefree success. Incels are a particularly misogynistic bunch.
Most of the time there were 6 women living in that house. The layout of the house with the pitch dark area at the back was just perfect for someone intent on harming anyone in there. All he had to do was either follow them that night, but that was risky, so he could have just waited on the hill behind the house in his car - the white car - until they got back and all the lights in the house finally went pitch dark.
Shooting out theories about the killer is like shooting T-shirt's out of a cannon at a sporting event. Everyone is anxious, , but 99% come away empty handed.
You, Sir, have w0n a T-shirt~ .
Agree. This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
😂😂
@@CycleBreakersCommunity those t-shirts are a b to catch but maybe more easy than this creep of a killer... stay sexy! I am not a women hater..lol
Tim Saunders as a retired p.hd in this field.I couldn't agree more with you!!
2:29 “Beauty and the Beast” is exactly what incels should not get ideas from. The beast lived as an incel himself, has rage, imprisons a girl, isolates her from family, pulling a Stockholm syndrome on her! Of all people, Banfield should know this!
Well, its also a classic story of how women overlooked appearance and fell in love with ones character. That actually does happen in many parts of the world, especially outside western hemisphere. Western society teaches ya'll to fixate way too much on looks, which is why this phenomena exists mostly as a western phenomena.
I still think it’s someone who had access to their house and either knew they left their door unlocked or was in the house at some point and left it unlocked. I just really don’t buy the fact it was not someone who didn’t have access to the house with no forced entry. If it was a brazen serial killer are they also expert at undetected door entries? Most criminals probably don’t even care if they expose the fact that they forced their entry in. They don’t have any issue leaving a botched lock or a broken window. I still find the guy who drive home for 5 hours that night to be highly suspicious and I still. Find Jack who allegedly wrote on her social media that he was obsessed with her and never answered his calls to be highly suspicious.
Don't forget the picures of the window with the screen off and a concrete block on the ground as a step. They were shown in videos going back to the first week or two. Anyone who knew of it,or had seen it from the road or the woods in back,could have used it if the window wasn't latched.
I am tending to agree with you too. I don't think this was a random stranger either. I think this killer knew the girl's and this is just my pure speculation but I think he had an obsession with one of them and it was maybe, "if I can't have you, then no one will" and did this heinous crime. Murder is so hideous enough but there is such a heaviness with this case. I suppose because they were so young and all beautiful and attractive, just barely starting life. Idk, when I first learned of this case, Elliott Rodger popped into my head...idk whyyyyy? Again, it's just my own thoughts and I'm disgusted that those girls and their grief stricken families are being trolled on-line. I cannot imagine how they must feel and the two survivor's must dealing with some serious emotions right now. I pray they get justice. 🙏
@oh just quit it definitely! He had to be somewhat athletic too because Ethan was in really good shape and all of them probably put up quite a fight. So very, very sad. 😔
That doesn't always play out in the countryside.
The killer or Killers was already waiting in the house most likely
All the way from Australia following this case from the beginning and feeling the frustration of everyone and getting frustrated myself because there is no suspect, as far as the police tell us. My heart and prayers go to the families 🙏🙏
I feel the same way from an Aussie to an Aussie.
The distress and heartache, each and every loved one is feeling.
My prayers go out to all.
What about Theo Hayez case in Australia
I’m in Australia too originally from the USA. It’s driving me crazy that no one has been arrested for this. So awful.
I have followed Theo Hayez case as well. So distressing for his loved ones to not have answers. Byron Bay will forever remember Theo.
@@bethrowbottom5897, G'day mate, sorry to chat under these circumstances. Have a wonderful Christmas
The killing was personal.
What if the murderer was non-binary because he also saw an attractive male living there or thought he lived there and saw three attractive females so maybe the murderer was non-binary
@@xdarockstar2560 😂 not even close
I just don’t know how there was no trail of blood leaving that house.
Nope. They were watched. But selected at random.
@@bethrowbottom5897 He/they had to change clothes , unless they can fly? I don't think people can fly. so I'm going with changed clothes, shoes or wore protective clothing ..like a wet suit.
Not buying the incel theory, it's looking more like a few people didn't like them & that's why they were K. Not buying the stalker theory either.
Same
Same. I heard that the were bullies and mean girls. Kaylees own sister referred the her as a mean girl. I wonder if that could have been a contributing factor?
I always thought those theories are ridiculous. Let's be honest, Kaylee and Maddie and Xana are not model types, they're average looking at best.
@@zachbraxton1997 how about you Zack ? Would you say you're a hottie or just average looking? Just curious..
@@DannaK247 He’s replying to other comments insisting that “women can be incels too!” Just another incel with zero self awareness lmao
Thanks for continuing to cover this story. It's important that we get justice in this case.
Amen!...this is just awful but so so sad that no one has come forward?....Why is it being told it is just one person their looking for?.....4 beautiful souls murdered....4? makes no sense.....Bless these souls x
Probably 100 people are positive who did it at this point.
We'll find out soon what they know.
Absolutely agree with you.
@WhiteRose the FBI are the 100
We? You mean they get justice. It really has NOTHING to do with you.
I love your show but I don’t think it’s right that you focus only on kaylee and Maddie and not xana and Ethan they were victims too where is there pictures during the show or why are they not shown as much ? Just an observation
Because incels
They said 3 attractive girls. Meaning Ethan was not the target. It was a house full of girls.
Blondes tend to get more attention. I noticed that too. 🙄🙄🙄
@@killmydreamdorothy8800 True! My hair is naturally dark blonde & I would normally get it highlighted very blonde & I've also had my hair brown & I can tell you that I get let out in traffic more as a blonde than as a brunette AND it's the same over decades! So not just when I was in my 20's but even now in my early 50's, if I'm blonde I get let out more.
Because Xana and Ethan are not very attractive, no offense to them or their families.
I find it interesting you have been going hard against online sleuths but you bring these hard line incel “experts” on your show which is so far fetched it’s unreal. What say you Banfield, whose going into left field now? The irony is almost laughable tbh.
Especially because Kaylee and Maddie and Xana aren't really pretty enough to attract incel attention, I hate being rude but it needs to be said. "Incel" is a very unlikely theory.
@@zachbraxton1997wtf you mean not pretty enough for incels
@@horseluuver you heard me
@@zachbraxton1997 as an ethnicel poorcel manlet brainlet former I.N.C.E.L sleeping agent. I assure you I find them pretty hot and "squishy-able* .
How is the incel theory farfetched???? Do you realize how common killers with incel like motives are??? Most mass shooters are incels. What dont you get????
You guys need to talk to a retired Homicide detective from a big city that worked on these kind of cases!!
You know how many FBI, state police, local police etc are working on this case?
@Virgo These types of crimes and situations were solved before DNA even existed. An investigator would have to be lazy and not want to do the footwork, if he wanted to rely only on DNA.
Dude, that’s what FBI behavioral analysts do. Study murder including serial killers.
They have talked to former FBI agents, homicide detectives from Houston etc.
I concur.
Social media has opened pandoras box. Young people have promoted themselves narcissistically on nearly every platform and some do it to another level. This kind of exposure opens oneself up to opportunities both good and bad. It's the unfortunate side of technology woven into our daily lives.
Some people who aren’t even promoting themselves still get used and exploited for things they post. All my accounts are private and I still have a hacker mooching off me.
@Penny True good point Penny.
I agree. It's not everybody, but there are a lot of troublemakers.
Ed Riley absolutely you are spot on. Well said too. 💯
@Rain thank you Rain. I hope students think twice before posting any self absorbed and self promoting images on their platforms.
I LOVE THE FRIENDSHIP THOSE 2 GIRLS HAD & STILL HAVE AS ANGELS ONLY IN HEAVEN.
FRIENDSHIP LIKE THAT IS PRICELESS. 💕
Cheryl,.. there's a lot I could tell you about Heaven. BUT one thing is only needed at this moment, and that is that there is No one up in heaven other than those that are supposed to be there.
The Dead are in their grave in a sleep like condition. They are unaware of anything, according to scripture. And they're only hope is the Bible's promised Resurrection. ( Isaiah 9:6,7,; ACTS 24:15,; John 5;28, 29)
No, those two girls are wormfood. There is no heaven.
Why are commenting in all caps?
@@tamitatangoto5134 We all go to heaven, if we allow ourselves after we've judged ourselves after physical death.
Friendships like that are rare and truly beautiful. This was a horrific tragedy, but I'm glad they had each other through it.
The Brown's Chicken Massacre was a mass murder that occurred on January 8, 1993 in Palatine, Illinois, when two robbers killed seven employees at a Brown's Chicken fast-food restaurant. The case remained unsolved for nearly nine years, until one of the assailants was implicated by his girlfriend in 2002
I lived not far from where it happened. Unfortunately some cases can take awhile to solve 😥
i remember this case! my parents told me about it when i was a kid
I remember that 😢
A 2006 stabbing murder of a junior high school student in Idaho had an incel factor. One of the killers had a crush on the female victim, who had a boyfriend, who the killers also wanted to murder at the same time.
Someone should’ve informed the kid there is life beyond junior high and there will be plenty more girls…. Then again clearly had psychopathic tendencies at a young age so it’s good he got locked up early
🤔
Interesting ...is this fact?
Sick males, as always.
Nicolas cruz
Does anyone think its a good idea for the investigating authorities to tell the press and public all the information
they discovered? What do people expect??? This is no T.V. show, or murder mystery, ITS REAL LIFE. Do you think the authorities want to "show their hand"? Don't you think the killer is listening too? Think for a minute, back off, and see what surfaces, some things are just gonna take time... All the "arm chair Dick Tracys" need to back off and shut up! Go read a novel, watch a movie, or weave a basket, BUT LEAVE THE AUTHORITIES ALONE!
You're exactly right Keith, Armchair Dick Tracy's is exactly what many of the people are. Speculation is just a nice word for presumptuousness. And presumptuousness is most certainly condemned where it matters!
It must be a new generational thing to think that everything has to be exposed because it can be. The police holding back information,.. many of the people on here feel is some type of crime of its own.
When in reality in order to get to the bottom of things they have to be secretive. Like you said the killer is watching the news also.🤔
Either the chief, or maybe the lawyer said that due to all of the doxxing, and the victims families have been harassed, they actually have a team that is scouring social media for such behavior, and there may be charged against some people. I'm sure they're aware of incels.
Incels can be women too, this network doesn't know what the word means.
Men Hating women gets called out but women hating men gets placed under the rug 🤨🤨 talk about double standards.
@Saddam Soldier if you have common sense, listen to things feminist have to say and how they get called out. Now that’s comedy 🤣🤣🤣🤣 or at least my kind of comedy. ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
They have to have some type of lead or a suspect in mind. Who can kill 4 kids viciously and hide in plain sight. I dont get it.
What if the murderer was non-binary because he also saw an attractive male living there or thought he lived there and saw three attractive females so maybe the murderer was non-binary
@@xdarockstar2560 really?
Maybe someone is under heavy surveillance.
They may have been more than one killer
@@Susan-hs6ut I am not for sure if that rockstar person making these non-binary comments is exactly for sure what non-binary means ha 🙄🤦🏻♂️🤔.
LOL She really said Beauty and the Beast. Hilarious haha
Even funnier, she thinks that's how you cure incels.
@@AFloridaSon Just stop being ugly, problem solved lol
@@AFloridaSon ironically, the beast turns back into a handsome prince at the end.
im an incel and im greatly offended by her stupid remark, but hey, a good looking woman wouldnt have a clue what an ugly man faces in the real world.
@@petejames1326 I was taken aback when she said that! I think the female guest she had on panel was left speechless for a moment. It was very bizarre.
Here's a thought: Not everyone wants to party and have sex at college. Some very handsome men and women are there to study and do charity work or non sexualized things. It took women a long time to access education and some in other countries are banned from it. This focus on University as a party theme shows the University of Idaho students aren't serious about education.
Most attractive people get average or above average GPAs in university, have lots of sex there then get an office job, they're mostly not in college to do charity work but to party. Some really do charity though
When I was in high school I was incredibly short and skinny and couldn’t get a date at all. In my second year of college I grew 6 inches and started weight lifting. Amazingly I had cute girls dropping their pants for me everywhere I went. I learned something very important from this experience……it’s all about what you look like
Yes, attractiveness has been shown to be a factor in life. Studies have shown that attractive people generally are more successful in life and are given more opportunities. But have you googled Kaylee's ex - Jack DuCouer, and Maddies bf, Jake Schriger? Both nothing to look at.
Women are actually most attracted to men who make them laugh (eg Pete Davidson, who I think is positively ugly) and men who treat them well, with kindness and respect. If they are ambitious doesn't hurt either. No-one is attracted to a loser with self-esteem issues, but anyone - men and women - can change those qualities in themselves by achieving small successes, one small step at a time until it becomes a reality through their achievements and attitude to life.
@@ksc743 bull crap
@@truthisoutthere6721 your reply shadowbanned but sounds like altho you changed physically you're still the same short, skinny angry dude inside.
@@ksc743 yes. That’s why now I just use women like garbage and throw them away like the worthless dogs they are
@@truthisoutthere6721 shadowbanned again. You have some serious issues dude. Sure it wasn't you in the house that morning seeing as you're so tall and ripped these days.
Her beauty and the beast is exactly why the community exists and lashes out. What a fatuous thing to say. Kudos to the doctors for ignoring it.
I was born, and my life was over
It's ovER
Can you imagine if we talked about unmarried women as Spinsters and tried to criminalise their involuntary relationship situation?
My self esteem and religious background has made it a choice for me. That didn't stop men at work from respecting my no and villfying me. Not all women and men think you should be having casual sex like it's some transaction.
Yep, spinsters go thru the same thing as Incels, and you don't see them going around killing people.
I believe that the predator knew the victims. I believe that they were sleeping. He attacked one and the other one woke up and tried to help and got killed. It probably was so quick. They had been drinking quite a bit. Alcohol slows you down. I believe that 1 person killed them all. Such hatred is unbelievable. Extremely violent. I am so sorry for all involved. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
It had to have been more than one killer which disproves the entire "incel" theory.
The person drugged them to put them unconscious…
It's so easy and perfectly consistent to describe the whole thing with one person, and proposing two or more is just plain silly since there is no evidence pointing to even the one who did it. The guy goes into a bedroom, stabs one sleeping person in the heart, had a brief tussle with the one who partly wakes up. Then he goes to the other floor where the guy sees him and calls his name. Since the guy is unarmed, he's killed quickly, and then the fourth one has to die because she heard the name. (The name thing is a guess, not necessary for the sequence of murders.) The idea that two guys did this and made some kind of oath to never talk about it is weird.
If someone attacks you in your sleep, your done. A school girl with a knife could kill Brock Lesnar in his sleep and he would have no chance.
@@innocentbystander8038 yep or a school boy
I think In a random way a lot of people are getting close on there profiling. I think the killer is smart enough to stay right there in plain sight and is right there. I believe to catch him one would have start looking about to years before this crime. I say that for a lot of reasons but he is right there in front of them I believe.
Today, to some perps minds, all it takes for them to come at you is that you dissed them.
The guy at the food truck, Joe Vidot, hated the girls. He called them zombies and said they were just entertainment. A 32 yo, overweight guy who went to a college bar at 2am and was annoyed by finding these 2 beautiful girls intoxicated there, a packed bar and one bumped him. He said EW.
He then went to the food truck, where he mocked them. It's clear Maddie points at JOE, not Jack, when she says FU Mister.
Why would she call a guy her age 'Mister? '
He then made a bunch of videos accusing and disparaging the girls, making them out to be stumbling drunk, belligerent, really terrible girls. After they had been murdered. He continued to make these videos, some of them live, where he discussed how gross these girls were. He also told lies like they didn't pay for their meal, they tried to grab other people's meals, and they tried to climb in the truck. We've proven every one of these things untrue, because we can see the food truck video, and none of those things happened. We also now have the video from the sidewalk where the girls and Jack were walking from the bar to the food truck talking about Adam. They all walked in straight lines, quickly, soberly, and none of them's slurred their speech on the camera audio, they were easy to understand. So his whole story about them being the drunkest people there was also debunked.
He took a day off work, shortly after the murder, because he was annoyed that the cops weren't paying enough attention to him.
And with the dog being skinned, so though they say that it wasn't related, killer's often ramp up from a smaller kill to a larger one. The fact that he has a post in his tick tock about a year ago where he catches his dog getting on the kitchen table by surveillance, it captions it 'I'm going to turn him into a rug.' Who thinks like that? Who thinks that's funny? Who says that about their beloved dog? Then less than a year later or so a dog turns up skinned? I just find it hard to believe they wouldn't consider him a suspect.
He is definitely full of hate and scary to speak of a pet and women in that regard. He's too old to be there as well. If you don't like immature behavior , don't hang out there.
Yeh a thoroughly unlikeable character. I don't think he'd be nimble enough for what transpired though. He'd probably trip over his own feet.
Sounds like a really bloody scene. There's got to be footprints in the blood from one versus more suspects
Pat Brown (criminal profiler) brought up a good point … incel’s WRITE MANIFESTOS and like to take credit. So she doesn’t think this is an incel.
Every single person within a slight connection to this case has been accused of the murder lol
Donald Trump was the killer.
You guys had Kenneth Mains on but he didn't go with your narrative of downing the police so you cut him off. Not very professional.
I can't deal with her dramatic coverage of hypotheticals.
I agree. At the same time, I first watched NN during the hunt for Brian Laundry. That was local for me, but NN was the best place to find any information when other channels gave up the daily update. I'm only guessing, but I think people around Idaho may be glad there's still a news channel talking about it.
It’s really quite simple, don’t click on the video
I find the profilers are dealing in theories too much and ate ignoring the obvious. Out of touch in my opinion.
These profilers know just as much as we do.. the only thing different about them is they make Megabucks off it...
Four of them .
The other issue with the incel theory is, if they were targeting a house full of girls, why did they leave two girls alive? I think it’s more likely they could’ve been targets because they always held parties and were “living the life” so to speak, and maybe someone didn’t like that and was really envious? And was maybe in their orbit but just on the outskirts.
The biggest issue with the incel theory is that none of the 3 girls are very hot to begin with. They aren't ugly, but most guys don't consider them hot either. I only hear woman on this network calling Kaylee and Maddie "really pretty". Maddie was overweight, that's just as bad as a man being short. Both Kaylee and Maddie have unique faces that aren't "conventionally hot", I don't really find either of them attractive at all. Xana has a very "plain Jane" look and isn't traditionally pretty either. Ethan for that matter looks kind of dorky and not a "beefcake jock" type.
None of these kids are a 10 out of 10 on the hotness scale, they're all in the 5 to 6 range. Not hot enough to be killed just for being pretty.
@@zachbraxton1997 that's your perception. I'd say a good percentage od people would consider them attractive or at least making the best of what they've got. And they appeared outgoing, social and confident which may have a part to play in how they were seen too.
@@rubyharris4422 that's my point, everyones perception on what's attractive is different. If these girls were on a Britney Spears or Cameron Diaz level I could see "incel" maybe being a possibility but there's no proof that the majority of guys think Kaylee and Maddie are hot af. I just don't see it.
@@zachbraxton1997 no. The problem with the incel theory is that the killer WAS NOT AN INCEL AT ALL !.
@Zach Braxton Maddie was tiny. Kaylee was slightly chubby but definitely not what I'd consider overweight. And both girls were conventionally beautiful.
Hello I totally agree with the person with the comment on Kaylees ex. Jealousy and her leaveing and of her best friend I have felt this way for at least 3 weeks after it happened very sad I have prayed and cried for there familys it's heart ❤️ breaking my daughter graduated college in May of this year and I can't bare the thoughts of what they're familys going through prayers from TN 4 ❤️❤️ ❤️❤️
I still think it's the 2 female roommates who did it, or at least know who did.
My thoughts are that the person that did this was someone who knew them because obviously they are notorious for throwing parties or having get togethers, and the person that went in there had to be aware of them not having a party for not stepping over or tripping over those crashing there, or passed out but most importantly, not having to worry about there, being more people to wake up or intervene, or come to the aid.To know that on a weekend night there was the minimal amount of people there. Also I feel that the obvious is the most likely. That the girls were the targets or the 4 and it was too much of a risk if girls made noise, woke them and to know E and Z are very possibly awake now and between you and your exit. If you don’t have the benefit of surprise by going in there on the way up think also, the person has to be very meticulous and plans everything to a “T” and or most likely had help planning it out, and probably ran through it more than once, with that other someone because if it was a young inexperienced person with no past record or history…,they did better than what I would consider most lifetime criminals!!
Dumbest theory. There were two females in the house not harmed. One male did die in the house too.
What about the fact Kaylee had moved home. She decided at the last minute to go back to show her new RR off
To murder an individual, over rage d/t love lost is one thing.. to meticulously go on to 3 others possible friends, elevates the mystery as to WHY..makes me think killer was known to them, since they SAW,they had to go too :(
If they saw, and he left without harming them, they would have raised the alarm. Whoever witnessed what he did had to be eliminated. My theory being Maddie and Kaylee were the targets, and Ethan and Xana woke up and were collateral. But I also wonder Why? That's why I don't think it was anyone close to them. It was someone who doesn't like women, and someone who kills for the thrill of it. Such precision he had requires plenty of practice.
2:32 someone should tell that woman that in beauty and the beast the beast eventually turns into a tall, handsome, wealthy prince, proving the blackpillers 100% right.
*NOW!!!! Let's have an InTeLLigent TaLk!!!!*
That wasn't an incel, it's 2 sorority boys who got into a fight with xana ethan and maddy.
I've noticed this network refuses to talk about that possible theory.
@@zachbraxton1997 Ikr... like other channels too.. I just don't get it because this theory makes the most sense.. the 2 boys had a fight with xana and ethan that night and one of them was mad at maddy too probably about something else... So that means Kaylee wasn't a target at all 🤷♀️
@@SorayaBonn53 I keep hearing that as well, they should be talking about the frat party more and what happened there that night. Instead the focus seems to be "everyone had a crush on Kaylee" which I still don't see any evidence of. Based om the way these murders went down I strongly believe it was more than one killer.
@@zachbraxton1997 I totally agree with you
@@fidneusdiller8123 they might be getting close to ending this soon then.
I HATE IT WHEN IT ENDS SO ABRUPTLY LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT VERY GOOD EDITING IMO. 🤨
This was a great description, definition of incel Dr. Daley! Thank you so very much for being on here.
It's an inaccurate description, females can be incels too not just males.
@@zachbraxton1997 Tell me you know nothing about “Incel” culture without telling me 😂 incel culture is a subculture very specifically borne out of extreme misogyny, which centers around glorifying violence against women the “incels” believe are responsible for their ongoing sexual rejection. “Stacey” types are simultaneously objectified and blamed by the incels, who use this rejection to justify violence against anyone who won’t sleep with them because their brains are poisoned by porn and they believe they are entitled to sex with anyone who looks like an OnlyFans model or pornhub star.
The issue is that they fail to see how their extreme entitlement to sleeping with the most attractive women on earth creates the self-fulfilling prophecy of rejection. Usually, they have really hateful personalities. Incels thus blame “Stacey” types for only sleeping with “Chad” types and feel they are so entitled to sex that they want to restore the “natural order” by forcing women to either sleep with them or be subject to extreme violence until they capitulate.
So, you sound a hell of a lot like an incel if all you get out of analyzing them is “WOMEN CAN BE INCELS TOO!” You know objectively nothing about incel culture if that is your argument. Sure, women can also struggle with rejection and not having fulfilling sex lives (howdy, I call it “volcel” as in “voluntary celibacy” because as an autistic woman, I have very specific expectations of sexual partners that very few people meet), but they haven’t formed a goddamn internet subculture on 4chan dedicated to encouraging violence against attractive men who won’t sleep with them. It’s laughable to even suggest as much. Any woman who identifies as an “incel” is just suffering from the most extreme forms of internalized misogyny. 😂
@@innocentnemesis3519 interesting theory, so what's the official word for a fat ugly woman who can't get a man or land a husband and spends her life eating Ben&Jerrys being bitter at the entire male gender?
🔴 The video of where K asks M “ “ What she told A”? RIGHT before this happened, I believe is NO coincidence! That boy @ food ruck says “ Oh, they’re going to get you now M”! Sounds too alarming & only for it to end up this way hours later!
Yep.
What I dont understand is with the way these poor kids were killed, with all that blood, there has to be some type of DNA left behind, footprints something? Unless they were covered up from head to toe and that doesn't seem right.
The perpetrator/s probably aren’t in any DNA database. So I’m assuming they need other evidence for an arrest, and then they can try to match the DNA
My thoughts are they do have
DNA evidence from the killer but because of the mixture of blood from the weapon it’s taking longer . Several forensic experts have stated that the killer must’ve had some hand injuries due to the type of knife used , the hand slipping on the blade . Also they stated the blade would dull with each victim taking a tremendous amount of energy to do the damage he or she caused . Of course I’m no expert but something I’ve heard . As an empath my heart hurts for the families so bad ,the loss of these young adults will forever change their families lives . Praying for justice soon .
1. an incel would favour using a gun not a knife and he would also want credit and be into dramatics like threatening suicides, sieges etc.
2. the girls’ insta accounts feature the kind of posts that attract (a) weirdo males; and (b) jealous girls.
3. was anyone on onlyfans? did anyone lead on a sugar daddy or other weirdo? was anyone having a fling with an attached male with an angry wife? was someone about to be outed? was anyone else in the house not yet revealed, whose father is maybe in a position of power? LITERALLY, anything is possible.
4. unless you’re a hitman, ALL murders are ‘personal’.
5. It wasn’t a stranger.
6. young people run their entire lives on their smartphones so it would be extraordinary if the answers could not be found there.
7. women shouldn’t be ruled out - they can be vicious and homicidal when they have reasons.
8. more than one person can’t be ruled out either.
9. when police say they’ve ruled out this or that they don’t have to be telling the truth - sometimes the stuff they put out is intended to mislead the perpetrator, let them think they can sit back and relax which is when they make a mistake. the cops play with us via the media so we can take those releases with a grain of salt.
10. a lot probably HAS been ruled out based on the wounds and the scene and phone records: one weapon or more than one? who was injured first and where? relative positions of victims when stabbed? did alibis check out? we wont know most of these things until it reaches court, if it ever does.
11. the idea of being murdered in their own beds doesn’t even necessarily have to be true: if target was kaylee/maddie, that meant going to the one room, its not rocket science to imagine that might have alerted xana and ethan to go see whats going on and ended up stabbed themselves.
it would be great if all these details were public knowledge so armchair sleuths could stop wondering and making pests of themselves but thats not the world we live in .
Just think, the 'person' who did the murders is a totally berserk mental case. And he is still out there. Scary. No Serial Killer.
Why do people keep acting like these were super attractive women? They were average at best
How can the feds focus on me as a mom, but not on these online groups who get together and do truly sick things!?
It’s not any stranger that committed this crime. It’s someone who is very familiar with the house, it’s occupants and surroundings.
With the blessing and observance of the two female survivors.
@@jbrewerman2 I am sure they know more than they are letting on.
@@tall5418 To quote Cosmo Kramer:
"YEEEEAAAAAAHHHH!"
I was wondering if the killer was on some kind of drugs that made him go insane and kill people? There have been cases where drugs made a person go on a blood rush killing and even eating parts of the victims.
Definitely. He was pretty organised though. Usually those crazed killers are so out of it they leave a mountain of evidence behind, especially in a quadruple slaying. They usually get caught very quickly.
@@ksc743 You are right. That makes sense that someone in a blood rush on drugs would leave behind a lot of evidence.
@@SN-bl6xm my personal feeling is this guy is a loner. I also feel the car is important. Even if he got rid of it I hope the cops can link previous and current owners to this car. It's a huge job but I think it's all they've got right now..
Most likely the most evil & violent drug of all - alcohol.
And, social media has exacerbated everything
"acted out of some kind of hatred of women"
According to the modern woman that could just mean anything from criticizing her for her morally messed up behavior to straight up Quadruple murder.
Most of media ignoring the best theory: The Frat guy in steroids DL
@Saddam Soldier are you ret#rded? What's the relation to this subject?
Let me ask you a question. Why do you not consider possibly a professional hired by someone close to these people? Or Why not consider the anger coming from the ex-boyfriend at the fact that Kaylee was leaving to go to Texas? He was furious! He was with her 5 years and she was going to leave without telling him. She changed her mind about choosing him as her future husband and she had dated 5 times while with him and went back to him after each one didn't pan out as a boyfriend! Can you imagine his mind set about that? He had been with her 5 years. Some other student that knew her at college knew about this and spilled the beans. See you all don;t know very much at all. And neither do the police of the FBI. They don't know all this! And they don't know that these kids were involved big time in drugs too!All of them! Every single one of them. There is so much info about this and it seems to me this whole thing is going to be pushed under the rug if the Moscow police have anything to do with it! There are people behind the curtains wanting this information not to get out! And yet here it is! And they are ignoring it! They have never solved any deaths and there have been 4.Adma the bartender was living with Jack D. and he was telling Jack D everything she said and did in the bar! More anger for him to deal with. But what made JAck D. blow his topp was finding out through Adam she was leaving without him! He had been watching her do all this all this time and you donlt think he might be involved in destroying her and her best friend who she dearly loved since kindergarten. But she was not taking Maddie with her That shocked me. So who was going to Texas with her? She wasn't leaving alone I don;t think. I have my idea who it was and if I'm right that's a real shocker. Yeah its closer than you think who did this. And there is another person that possibly was involved which I cna't mention and they never find out! And he plays a major role.
Who
They had dated on and off, when she broke up with him two weeks before hand she was officially done with him, and had clearly moved on without him.
I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that they were heavily in the drug scene. I do agree it’s quite possible someone could have hired someone but that’s quite unlikely.
Wow the fact that they are even making such broad references shows just how far they are from identifying any actual suspects
Wake me up when they pull somebody in for questioning....if ever.
They have.
"Did you do it?"
"No." "
Okay, you're cleared".
My two cents : the killer(s) from the University campus 🙄🤷
That lady’s earrings weigh 100 pounds. She’s gonna mess her ear lobes up
Thank you for talking about this subject.
incel and experienced hunter do not seem to go together. or for incel to have so much testosterone. idk
It’s definitely a close acquaintance I would think based on the “ I told Adam everything “ and all the calls to Jack right before they were killed? The pieces add up and that relationship/ ex lover moving away with a shared pet… that’s a common cause for women being killed
Could be incels, could be playas. Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack was acting like John Wick.
🤣🤣🤣
Someone needs to tell this Dr Mohande guy that no, 20 years old is NOT the “prime of life” for women…we’re not living in Victorian England here. 🙄
This case is going cold. I used to follow the case daily, now it's just the same old news, with no real leads or answers. Super sad 😔
This dose not make sense if it was a random killer that was just walking or driving around moscow idaho and he has a hatred for women 🤔 why chose that house out of so many other houses plus who ever it was felt comfortable enough to carry out this murder so I doubt very much it was some random person who ever it was they knew their killer
And the two surviviing females watched the murders.
Don't lecture incels about "its what's inside, not outside, that counts". Easy to speak when you are obviously attractive. Both men and women will reject someone based on looks without even trying to find out what the inside is like. In particular younger people. It is tragic that young men who have been rejected one time too many are now harbouring such hatred towards women. In Afrikaans we have a saying which translates to 'every pot has a lid'. Look in the right places and in the right faces and you'll find your soul mate.
I've seen plenty of unattractive people with girlfriends/wife's, etc. I don't think it's just looks.
Maybe the outwardly unattractive men should stop chasing superficial girls and focus on what's inside of the less attractive females. They're being shallow themselves.
When it’s beyond the first 48 hours and speculation like this shows up, you know, IT’S OVER.
Well since police botched surveillance video collection their only hope is identifying the white car; re evaluating those they’ve cleared especially with dna, and or forensics. If they don’t have sufficient forensics and can’t identity who was in the car, this case will go cold.
When I first heard this story on the news, I thought an angry, possive X boyfriend...I'm not so sure.
Maybe someone in the not so inner circle...
"I told Adam every thing", comment may have more to do than we think.
As well as the stalker rumor, a few to many ppl mention it to be ignored.
What if Kylee had information that could put someone behind bars!
And knowing she was leaving soon this had to be NOW!
May be more to the house party video, what if cops leaked it intensionally to send a message to the friend, we know who you are.
Possibly the surviving roommates know who this friend is but were told to be silent, as well as others.
White car either seen the person or was used in the crime...why they looked to the small towns to the east may be this is where evidence was taken/distroyed.
If JD. JS. or Adam were of suspect cops would have 24/7 survalance on them...if not, we should leave them alone cuz cops know much more than us.
Me thinks this suspect was at the party in the police video, or one like it.
Find that car!
So "Beauty and the Beast" disproves inceldom?! This is beyond ridiculous.
Respect to Dr. Daly for giving a fair assessment though, which is very rare.
I think it's a revenge killing for someone they caused hurt or even death to. Bullying someone to harm themselves and this is revenge.
My thoughts are the same about a death of someone prior to this being involved. I think a few that are connected to it have been hiding this secret well and that is "the everything" she told Adam. Something LE said makes me think it is something like this and not a simple breakup or neighbor tired of the parties. It's deeper and has multiple people involved besides the ones that entered the house. When it's all figured out, connections to the secret will be seen at grub truck, words said on the way to grub truck, Ethan's confrontation at frat party and the two hours of E&X's whereabouts missing. Probably way off but it's going to be complicated
Honestly - it seems to me that whoever did this at least knew the way to get into the second floor without going through the front door. So either it's someone local or someone that cased the house before going in. Which indicates to me that even if the person is not local they were around for awhile and targeting the house in prep. So it wasn't just a random act of anger.
If I had to make a guess... Either a local person or another student at the college. But that'd be entirely a guess.
Maybe the person had lived there at one time, as well
What you can see from September police footage, everyone and anyone was familiar with that house.
@@goldenpal if it’s a local it’s a total psychopath going about his days showing absolutely nothing odd to the rest of the world. If it’s a student… I’d assume they are out of the area, back with parents or whatever… and in that case they either are the same (psychopaths) or they aren’t and there is a family member out there hiding a pretty terrible secret… or… the culprit is one of the other two (or both) in the house. I know they’ve been cleared but they did have the means to do this.
@@TimothyCollins dm boyfriend is gangsta and father arrested for meth.
I don't think all was well in that household. Hatred.
How many incels could be patrons of OnlyFans??????
It was proven or revealed about only fans Maddie & kaylee!?. I've been checking left & right!
Wasn't proven!
@@gailschwartz4037 So are they members or better yet - creators earning a fee or on it for free? Are they being pimped? What exactly did you learn?
@@lavonleonard262 hi. Only fans is some how a sex site. Allowed to operate? Legally? Usually women go on there & have client's watch them? Do whatever?. They get paid. How much? How many client's did she have? Her sister let it slip very early in a a interview she did that to afford the finer things in life. U know like the car,high end clothes, pocketbooks, make big parties every week. . Don't know how many client's or incels? But the only fans angle now has been hushed up & throw to the backburner. Because that makes her not like the snow white & Cinderella they are painting her to be. Pimped u don't know if there are sex traffickers on there kidnapping women & forcing then into that. But kaylee I think worked alone? With Maddie don't know! But it will come out eventually. The whole sordid truth.
@@gailschwartz4037 Thanks Gail, this puts things into perspective. In a post, I suggested that police collect K & M's bank and credit card records for the past 2 years; look for patterns, large deposits and if related to OnlyFans. - get details as to who is their primary source of clients. From what I have been able to see - anything goes at OnlyFans. When this case is solved, anyone and everyone is going to be extremely surprised. Why? I think it is a fact that when looking for a rapist, look to immediate family members - like uncles and the like. Nice chatting with you. Bye
Why are they focusing so much on an incel? Those are regular girls who partied a lot and kept their doors Unclocked . They need to investigate the fraternities and sororities
I have felt this from the start ...hopefully someday we will know .Just a gut feeling even before it was reported
Before it was reported as a theory
Do we know if the info that said Ethan was arguing with a guy at the party about steroid use was true?
I still think it's Jack d there was a white car just like the cops are looking for in his driveway while he was on top of the roof he has the motive everything about it that night Maddie and Kelly were walking through and they were talking and she asked Maddie what she said to Adam and she said I told her out of everything well then I got home and called it started calling Jackie anyone not pick up his phone well he has two separate things saying he was in some other place and then he says he was sleep in bed what what's up people can you not see the signs I don't care if you think he has an alibi he really doesn't cuz he said two different times he was in two different areas somebody needs to check that out and he could have got mad because of the dog and her moving to Texas and whatever Maddie said to Adam
I have been sleuthing on this case for weeks and I don’t think it’s a incel
Who do you think it was?
They have no clue who did it
This reminds me of the Delphi case. Where they cleared the actual killer and will return to them three years later. Might be wrong but it’s possible at this point.
When did the Police previously clear Richard Allen ?
In the first few weeks of the investigation. They interviewed him in the very beginning
It's actually not unusual for police to initially clear someone who is later found to be the perpetrator. Sometimes they lie about their alibi, or there's not enough to keep the person as a suspect, so they move on to other people. But they can always go back if they get new evidence.
@@pennytrue2741 I'm aware he was interviewed , and admitted to being on the bridge but wasn't arrested then . But did the Police actually clear him--or just not arrest him because of a lack of evidence at that time?
I have no idea. I just found out about the case after the idaho incident. I never followed it. I mean what more did they really need. Those girls had the murderer on camera? He told them what he was wearing too and they still didn’t arrest him. The bullet and the type of bullet was found immediately and he was found to have that exact gun yeats later. Seems more like a slip in the department overlooking the guy and going in diff directions and avenues. If they didn’t have enough for an arrest they could’ve focused their effort on getting enough and that wouldn’t have taken five years
You say the killer might of acted out of hatred for women 🤔 but that don't make sense because they killed a boy also so I doubt very much it's that but who knows 🤔 I stand by what I said from day 1 it's someone that they knew
You seriously think that a killer is going to stab a woman to death laying next to a man, and just because he's a man, The Killers going to walk away leaving a witness?
- Maybe look into groups whom have (many times in the past) been criticized for encouraging misogynistic behavior and/or perpetrating sexual violence...like fraternities...or even sororities. People who are "sworn to secrecy".....who get upset when secrets are exposed/revealed/uncovered...spoken of.
Exactly.
These people that talk about these things "getting plastic surgery" are just projecting. While looking waaaaaay too far into this kind of shit. That doctor lady has had enough work done, that Madonna would stand up out of her seat in shock
Only God now but for me is person near to them 😢😢. God blessed the family and friends.
People are waaaaay overthinking this case, this was done by the only person with motive and opportunity, the ex bf who lived a 20 second walk from their house
Or a family member of Hannah cleery 🤔
Yea exactly!! EVERY new clue that comes out….points to HIM. unbelievable. They’re killing building the case….takes time to get much of forensics back….but yea….it’s HIM. Especially with what Kaylees last text it him said….!! Clearly related to that whole Adam thing…..
If that was the case he would of been arrested.
This is why we have LE investigating the case. Thank god they’re looking at all angles and taking their time to gather evidence
@@societyreborn33 STOP bringing this poor girl and her family into it. Stop spreading her name and leave her to Rest In Peace. Her family have been forced to speak out to dispel this rumor because of careless comments like yours, shame on you. They also tragically lost a child and do not deserve for you types to re-traumatize them by spreading such ridiculous rumors.
I don't think this case has anything to do with incels, media shouldn't use scapegoats without any proof.
People who lament that they're different should ask what the world would be like if every individual is the same.
Oh please ........ dont start with this angle ...... so what was Jack The Ripper ? where did he fit in the whole LGBTQIA plus ? EVIL is EVIL period
Perhaps hunter perhaps loner who the hell knows. Someone with alot of hate for sure. Check homeless shelters, craigslist? Hope the pos is caught soon.
Its a serial killer, the police dont wanna say this because they dont want to get the public alarmed The public is already alarmed.
What about the serial killer theory I mean it's kind of ironic two murdersf a year apart and they both happened on the 13th and then this one happened on the 13th as well a year later
Experts on incels
This is the time Chumlee needs to be here.
@@mfh6982 😂
Omg 🤦🏼♀️
I believe the Dr Daily is right, that's my theory. I've grown up extremely beautiful & it can be very ugly to be targeted & hated. I didnt even know I was. It can work for you be against you due to envy, jealousy, anger. Anyway I think its someone that lives there & a psychopath who is the nicest person amongst them. A crime of passion. Stabbing someone multiple times is deeply personal.
*I am ALso BeautiFuLL & stiLL I am an InCeL!!!!*
I suspect the killer locked the bedroom doors behind him after he stabbed the 4 victims. The 2 roommates likely wouldn't have called 911 without first attempting to open the doors.
Did the dog know the killer? Is that why no one reported him barking?
I believe Ethan and Xana were killed first. The killer heard stirring up stairs and went up there to kill any others in the house. Kaylee and Maddie had defensive wounds because they weren't asleep. Maybe Kaylee ran to Maddie's room when she heard noise. But the killer came upstairs too fast for them to call for help. I also believe the killer didn't know there we're two other girls downstairs. Or victim 3-4 was too loud to risk going to the ground floor.
@@a1c3c3u no need to be rude.
Agree with the idea that it’s possible that perp did not know there were 2 bedrooms on the first floor. I’d think an incel would want all women. Most houses do not have bedrooms on the first floor.
Kaylees dad said she died in the same bed as Maddie so I don't think they did wake up and fight.
Dml room was on second floor.
Hey Ashley can you explain why the worthless senator's gave themselves a 29% increase in salary when we the people are suffering?
No she's too busy rating college kids looks and playing the "hot or not" game.
@@zachbraxton1997 she's your typical progressive liberal lacky
@@optitom9033 I had a feeling she was one of those, this network she works for hired Chris Cuomo.
@@zachbraxton1997 I came to that same conclusion