I have had this firearm for four days and just got back from the range for its first outing. All I can say is Wow. It is everything I wanted it to be. Took 250 rounds from four different manufacturers in three different bullet weights from 30gr to 50gr. It fed them without a single failure of any kind. Smith and Wesson has knocked it out of the park with this wonderfully fun gun to shoot.
Aqui no brazil, o governo corrupto q ganhou as "eleições" acaba de decretar o fim das vendas de armas, e qualquer calibre. 38spl ou superio ficou restrito 😢
I’ve been a fan of .22WMR since my dad bought me a Savage 63M in 1971. I own a several rifles in .22 WMR, two PMR30’s and a CMR which I love. When prices recover from the introductory levels I’ll definitely be looking to purchase one of these. I pick up magnum ammo anytime I find a sale so over time I’ve accumulated a decent quantity. Gonna have to get more now for sure. Thanks for the very good review Don!
@@davidcampbell4465 No not really. You do have to load the magazine the way Keltec instructs you to though. I think a lot of people experience problems because they take it out of the box and never read the owners manual.
Yeah, I would agree that .22 WMR isn't an optimal defense cartridge. But with 30 rounds of it in an almost zero recoil handgun, I'm betting I could put a T-Rex on the run. I'm gonna be looking for one of these.
@@Uberragen21 .22 Magnum is about $12 - $14 per box. 5.7x28mm is about $50. I'd rather have the .22 Mag and 30 rounds of hollowpoints. Back in the day I owned a AMT AutoMag stainless I took in trade because the guy that had it was down on his luck. It was a hoot and a ton of fun to shoot and I regret dismissing it as a toy and moving it along ever since. I wished I had it back now and I will replace it with one of these. The AMT AutoMag (at least mine) was pretty accurate and functioned reliably as long as you cleaned and lubed it. Back then in the 80s and early 90s farmers, ranchers and outdoorsy people used to abuse and beat on /up .22 caliber rifles and pistols. It's not going to run when it hasn't been cleaned for thousands of rounds and is full of dirt/mud. It won't run bone dry or while using WD40 either. Mine worked and shot great.
Don’t take his in any weird way, but one of the most attractive aspects of your videos is the warmth of your smile as you enjoy the shooting sports. Shooting is fun.
I keep a 22WMR pistol and rifle as my bug out set up,I like the fact that I can have almost 500 rounds on me and not notice it as much.still able to take down anything I’d need to with shot placement.
Within about 50 yards, that's a fact. 45 years , owned over 3 dozen ,keep several all the time. The best rifles win94/22m, CZ455. Rarest Br. BPR. best revolver S&W651 and Colt new frontier convertible. Hopefully this is the best sa pistol, all the others are not reliable enough for defense. Sa rifles are barely any better. best of bunch is CZ512. Buddy has the HK, scope mounts very high on receiver. and expensive, but works. A22m failed ,Ruger 10/22m failed. Most accurate ....Marlin 783. imho
@@paulmoss7940 yeah .22 magnum is right on the edge of having too much power for blowback, but barely enough for a locked breech. It's hard to make a good semi auto .22 wmr.
@@andycraig6905 It's not really on the edge of being too powerful. There are so many fantastic blowback 9mm Carbines, even bigger calibers than that. It's really just the design of the case. It is really thin & long. The cases tend to buldge. It's just not an ideal cartridge for semi-auto.
I have a Kel Tec PMR 30 as my every day carry and have put over 500 round thru this gun with no FTF. I carry two magazines with 60 rounds of fire power which is unparalleled in other handguns and am totally confident in my ability to protect myself and the ones I love with this caliber. I will definitely be purchasing the Smith and Wesson M&P 22 Magnum for my SHTF bug out firearms and just fun shooting at the range. Thank you for your honest reviews of these new and innovative firearms.
500 rounds is not exactly a large sample size. But I've had a PMR30 and it was pretty good too. 30 Rounds definitely counts as firepower in my book, and you can stay on target very easily. Loud, though!
@@alfonsobenitez8574 my kel tec pmr 30 with all of the mcarbo upgrades still sucks, im putting mine up on gunbroker. i live near kel tec, even have one of the last flash suppressors....sw addressed the two main issues the mag release and the magazine itself.....you have to be able to speed load these mags, even with a kel tec oem speed loader the round gets dimpled and the mag stack usually gets fouled at around round 20 where you have to tap it back every 5 rounds, it is just a pain in the arse....id like to find a sw 22 wmr rental, unlike skip i like the safety feature, which may be the only think kel tec has over sw, the sw safety does not look convincing and i train to thumb sweep the safety on any weapon i pick up, wondering how the safety responds to a quick draw from holster.
Guns even if you pay $4,000 for one you can get a lemon. If your gun works man more power to you. I'll never buy another Kel-Tec and never own one unless somebody gives one to me. I had a 9 mm that was brand new that almost blow off my hand and it was a factory defect not something I did wrong and they wouldn't replace it. I thought with him for 2 years and finally I pitch the damn thing in the garbage. It's the only true lemon gun I own out of over 30 handguns or at least I used to own. My best friend owns the exact pistol you have and I got to try it before about the Smith & Wesson and that's one of the main reasons besides what happened that I bought the Smith & Wesson I like the feel of it better to reliability and it never jammed. But for what it's worth I'm glad yours works cuz there's horror stories in every company as far as guns they've had blow up or this this and that.
Indeed, GOOD Bless America and Long Live the Republic! Great informative video. Never been quite as excited over a 22 before. Think I may be interested in this one though.
Couldn’t be happier that Smith & Wesson made this after they released their 5.7 ! It is exactly what I want it to be, all the innovation and ergonomics of the Smith & Wesson M&P but in the caliber of my childhood.
Thank you for this great video..30 rounds and low recoil as I get older is sounding more and more appealing ..when I was younger I felt the need to carry a 45. ..but times are a changin! For me as I see a place for this gun in my arsenal for sure! Thank you for this wonderful review
It’s great to see new guns coming out. One of the reasons why I always watched your videos is because you always called a spade a spade. Unfortunately, since manufacturers started giving you guns, do you have changed your videos. If you find something you don’t like do you soft sell it to us. don’t forget what made your videos so great. If manufacturers can’t handle you being honest, if there is a problem or something, you don’t like the mats their problem, not yours. Those of us that follow you like the fact that you were honest and straightforward. Keep on!
Keltec is afraid of debt, that's what's wrong with keltec. As a company they refuse to go into debt to automate and upgrade manufacturing. I don't fully blame them, too many competitors have tried to screw them over. If they get into debt, another company like S&w can buy the group that owns the debt and call in the note, running them out of business like happened to charter, and h&r originally. It's great but it hurts production.
One of the problems with people who talk sh1t about Kel-Tec is they can't even spell Kel-Tec correctly. Kel-Tec CNC Industries Inc., commonly referred to as Kel-Tec, is an American developer and manufacturer of firearms. Founded by George Kellgren in 1991 and based in Cocoa, Florida, the company has manufactured firearms since 1995. (who the fu#k is keltech?)
Funny how so many you tubers Al but scream don’t use a 22 mag as your CCW … I actually carry a 22 mag in the summer as I have several that can be pocketed in shorts. Great video.
I watched the same review so I have concerns. It was thought to be either a rim fired cartridge issue, or a magazine issue, or both. Either way , I’m afraid I’ll need to see it addressed before I ask the wife for the credit card.
22 WMR👍 MY favorite cartridge,,, iv been waiting decades,,, PMR,30, and rock island , have now Smith and Wesson,,, I'm almost in heaven,,,,, the 22 mag is a nasty nasty round,,,, tiny little, hot bullet,,,
Great review as usual Sootch. What I can't understand about Smith and Wesson is why they don't release a family of pistols and not just a full-size. Most people don't want to carry a fill-size. I wish this came out in the compact size, and a micro version also with 1. With and without the thumb saftey 2. With and without threaded barrels 3. Black or FDE color 4. Tempo blowback design for .22WMR AND .380 ACP AND 9 mm AND 5.7 AND 10 mm 5. Metal or polymer 6. With or without the compensator for .380 and higher caliber Please give us more choices, Smith and Wesson.
Not asking for much... I bet they would be delighted to do that the moment you fund the product development and manufacturing expenses! Give them a blank check and your wish list and we'll see how long it takes!!!
I have to say-this is a wonderful gun to shoot. I shot CCI A22 through it. It was flawlees and shot as if it were a hand cannon with the boom and flash, but no recoil. It shot like a laser. Impressive to say the least.
I was really close to getting a WMP......now this comes out. Not sure if I wanna spring for the Smith or wait and see who else might offer something new in 22 mag. A Taurus TX22 mag would be sweet.
It took some work but my Keltec PMR 30 runs like a top. Mags are now the weakest link. New ones fixed that. Polymer mags are a huge problem and I'm likely to think the same with the S&W. I'll keep running mine. 22wmr is great for newbies or kids, just don't keep mags loaded or your asking for long term problems. Get one if it fits your needs. A Lot of fun.
This new offering and the Walther WMP sets the standard for quality and functionality imo. I may have to pick this up. I think this kicks the 5.7 butt simply for the difference in ammo price. Hopefully 5.7 ammo manufactures will realize the ammo must continue to drop. Thanks S&W for a quality firearm. Just think of the possibilities for a Performance Ctr. offering, like threaded barrel, front serrations, trigger, etc.
Ive been waiting for a pistol like this to be made. I use a ruger sr22 with stingers and mini mags for my edc. I'll pick up one of these and see if it will replace my ruger. Alot of small 9mm handguns make my hand go numb shooting them. Thank you for this video.
I just heard about this today, the 22 Mag is a pretty cool cartridge and definitely has more ooomph than 22LR. The only real issue I have with it is that it's not cheap, it's about as cheap to shoot 9mm as it is 22Mag, if not cheaper.
Not to mention that you can reload 9mm and shoot it for probably close to half the price of .22 WMR, especially if you use light powder charges and inexpensive FMJ bullets.
@@highspeed9518dude, id forgotten that they still sell that I’ll have to see what they’re asking in my neck of the woods. Generally not much better than 9 in most stores here if at all.
I only order 9mm online can get 1,000 federal 115 fmj from bereli for $280 to my door in 4 days. If you buy it at the store at $15+ a box you are spending close to $600 per 1k if not more.
Just got one a few weeks ago and was really excited. Remington ammo jammed like crazy (FTF) and so did Federal 50 grain HP. I did some honing of the bolt face and the ramp then the Remingtons feed now but Federal 50gr ammo is still a no go. Hornady 30-40 grain ammo works just fine. CCI 40 grain ammo is great too. Magazines are flimsy plastic. I can only get 29 rounds in mine with any brand of ammo and I suspect the mags could be a cause of feeding issues. Accuracy at 25yds is nothing to brag about. My trigger is a lawyer trigger. It's, heavy with creep and a lot of travel on the reset. I love the pistol in that caliber but a little more work needs to go into that pistol. S&W - plastic mags?? Come on Smith! I see some have had better experiences and mine may be a fluke but I am NOT happy with my M&P 22WMR - yet!.
I’ve wondered forever why no company can make a 1911 in .22 magnum. Like a 2/3 size with like 25 round magazine. With hollow point ammo it would be a very viable EDC. Super light recoil so bullets could stay on target. Smooth clean lines for easy draw without sharp corners to snag clothing? Sights designed to not snag on clothing or holsters. Dream on. If I was filthy rich I would have one made.
The first .22 Magnum automatic pistol I fired was a custom Luger manufactured by John Vernon Martz and myself when I was younger and working for him. I made the flat springs, grips, magazine bases, etc. It shot well and was very accurate. I saw the pistol on RIA Auction house a few years ago and it was in the original rust blue finish. The Smith and Wesson pistol looks sharp and accurate also. It looks like it might be fun to shoot also.
I've seen several reviews of this pistol. Yours is the best by far. No problems with feeding issues? Honest Outlaw ran 300 rounds through one and had regular problems feeding. Thoughts? Keep up the good work!
I really wanted the 5.7 because I thought that operating system was cool as shit and unique, but didn't want to pick up another caliber. This will go fantastic with my other .22wmr firearms.
I bought my Walther WMP back on 8 Jul 22 and absolutely love it. I don't care that its big and bulky. It gets the job done. Walther has a list of ammo to use and not used. Well I have tried some of those not to use and mine eats it all day long. I love the German quality and do wish the 15 round mags were 30 rounds, but I can live with it as I now have 10 spare mags. I just may get this Smith & Wesson M&P 22 mag but I would have to hold it in my hands and go over the quality of the build.
First S&W made an improved version of the SUB-2000, now they made an improved PMR-30. It seems crazy that they would be taking cues from Kel-Tec, but I'm glad they are. They're borrowing the ideas that I like, while avoiding some of the flaws.
While it may have low recoil, and lighter slide spring this still retains many of the potential failure points of any semi auto pistol making it a risk for self defense use in the hands of less trained shooters. Being a rimfire cartridge the "dud" rate will almost guarantee higher vs centerfire because of several reasons (case loading, firing pin light hits, etc.) all common known rimfire issues. There is still the issues of slide not in battery, mag not seated, failure to feed from mag etc. All of these issues are seen more in rimfirs vs centerfires. While any gun can failures any experienced shooter will acknowledge rimfire is inherently more prone to failures. I like the 22WMR for sensitive shooters but not in a semi auto. The gun looks great for range time and I'll be looking for 1000rd reviews and if it works I'll be in the market for one.
@MR.IceCreamMan93 Nah I'm talking about that MASSIVE gap between the frame and slide. Plus the frame droops down. Looks terrible. It's like this on the 5.7 pistol too.
I like the 22 magnum’s, and I understand they’re not effective like they’re not efficient enough to be self-defense, but you could use them as that and now that they have guns like this we could have more rounds in them effectively almost annihilates recoil I think it’s pretty nice
It's time for a smaller WMR semi, or is this too big of an engineering challenge? Revolvers in WMR already make a lot of sense, far more reliable than 22 LR in our experience. So little recoil yet so much bang!
That magic 25 number so stupid TH-cam!!!!! I hope Smith figures a way to thread this barrel.also can we get a carbine or Rifle that shares this magazine(like the CMR 30) please smith I promise I’ll buy them both!!
Annyone who thinks .22Mag is a weak round. Think again. Its roughly the same diameter as a ..223 , given it doesnt have the velocity of a rifle , the shorter barel , the lower muzzle velocity but its still hits hard.
Ohhh I am soooo sold now! Definitely gonna go good with my M&P Sport II. Probably gonna be even better to take deer hunting as my snake gun in the early season.
In this day and age a self defense carry needs to have high capacity. We see videos on Twitter, many instances of mobs surrounding people on roads and in businesses. And these mobs often employ prison beat down tactics where one or two will go low and then 3 or 4 will go high to get you on the ground at which point the foot stomping to the head begins. In this situation you don't necessarily need stopping power but suppression though sustained fire rate to get the crowd to scatter and give you an opportunity to leave the area.
Hello, great review I watch you all the time ! I have a question @ 14:06 on the video if you stop it there and look at the frame to slide gap you'll notice the frame sags down did you notice that ? I just bought one the other day and noticed when I was putting back together after cleaning it also has a lot of give if you were to squeeze the slide down towards the frame it seem it should be stiffer in that area ? Also if you were to mount a laser it would point down towards the ground not sure if it's enough to mess up alignment ? I also went to Smith and Wesson's site and it shows the gap in alignment.
FRAME TO SLIDE FIT! It is atrocious! Has S&W given a statement on this yet? I would buy at least 3 of these and the 5.7 if not for the abysmmal droop on the front end.
Now I'm waiting for ATF to decide that the gas rings on the barrel are "baffles" and the barrel sleeve is a "suppressor" and we'll have 180 days to destroy/turn over/register ... wait ... what am I thinking? SURELY they'd never be allowed to overreach like that. ;) Great video, though! I'll be looking for one of these locally.
It will take companies awhile. They have to make modifications to the operating systems to get it to work. 5.7x28 is working with considerably more power & multiple times the pressure. That's why all the previous .22 Mags have been direct blowback. S&W just removed the main part of the delay system for this one.
Great review. I have a 5.7 looking at the 22mag due to similarity. To me personally any firearm that can be fired with accuracy by eliminating flinching is more powerful than a hand cannon where luck plays into followup. Just my opinion. Plus if needed in a nighttime situation a reduced flash is just a bonus. Thank you. Subscribed.
For those out there with any doubts about stopping power. Just ask your local Medical Examiner. I am going to wait for the one with extended barrel. Like always great video.
Im definitely going to be buying this one, I don't own any S&W I used to own the old 4006 stainless steel it was a tank and they had some issues, but this is one for the gun range or whatever! Having a threaded barrel would be cool but they are a dime a dozen. I love the fireball these throw out, not as big as the Walther WMP
Im glad that when 9 mm went to $28 a box, I invested in 22 magnum that was still near $20. Now, I have two P30s and rifles, and may buy this. Thanks bunches, Sootch-Sensible Prepper dudes.
It's not serious for self defense not because of the bullet, but because it's rimfire. A centerfire primer is far more reliable than a rimfire primed cartridge.
@@10mmlover non biased opinion here I dont own one. ehhh, not as much with modern cartridges from what I can tell. rimfire is less reliable for sure but saying far more might be an overstatement. Also, I heard a story of an officer taking a 22 wmr to the shoulder. exploded his bone up and severed his nerve. 22 mag is a nasty little round for self defense.
@@10mmlover What would you rather shoot in your house. A 10 mm thats going to explode your eardrums and possibly kill your nieghbors nieghbors nieghbor with over penatration or a sufficient, recoiless, quiet round. Its a hard decision but im going with 22 or 32 or something smaller with some crazy self defense ammo.
@@kingsdrumming this question has come up in the past, the idea of something easily suppressed vs. something more powerful. Rifle rounds are massively more effective than any 22LR or pistol rounds as far as 1 to 2 shot stops. When your life is on the line, some ear ringing isn’t going to matter. These 22 magnum rounds wouldn’t qualify as quiet. This and other videos from 22plinkster show lots of bang and a huge fireball with every shot.
@@10mmlover will a larger caliber shot inside make you go deaf like say 357 or 223 or 308. I want to see a video explaining this so I know what to pick. I'm really worried about that lol
Great video (as always) Don. As you know, I am a huge Walther fan and I EDC a PDP every day, at work BUT………I was very underwhelmed with the Walther WMP because of the finicky ammo issues that it has. This S&W looks really good and is something that I would love to go out and buy BUT: living in NY we can’t have the 30 round mags and unless they come out with a 10 round mag option, this is a no go here.
Given the way the Tempo barrel sleeve system works (both on this model and on the 5.7), and the fact that the system doesn't have a requirement for any goofy vertical movement like tilting barrel systems have to deal with, it really makes me wonder if they couldn't have gotten the bore axis even lower by putting the recoil spring assembly above the barrel instead of below it.
Is your frame warped? It appears that a gap between it and the slide progressively opens up towards the front. Something not seated properly? Cool firearm, though!
I like the Walther WMP a bit better. Wish it was a bit less blocky. This S&W looks good overall. I can only have 10 rounds so the Walther would be the one I’d get unless you can get the Smith with lower capacity. Like to see a few more manufactures come out with a 22 magnum pistol. HK, Taurus, Sig etc. looks like this is 100 dollars more that the Walther. See it for 600.
I have had this firearm for four days and just got back from the range for its first outing. All I can say is Wow. It is everything I wanted it to be. Took 250 rounds from four different manufacturers in three different bullet weights from 30gr to 50gr. It fed them without a single failure of any kind. Smith and Wesson has knocked it out of the park with this wonderfully fun gun to shoot.
Aqui no brazil, o governo corrupto q ganhou as "eleições" acaba de decretar o fim das vendas de armas, e qualquer calibre. 38spl ou superio ficou restrito 😢
I like to hear this for sure
Bro its a kel tec copy.
@@catchofthedave8681
The kel tech is a POS. Owned one
In your model what was the more reliable grain.
Kel tec once again inspiring the gun industry!
they did it first
George Kellgren did it first with Grendel.
Damn straight!
At least s&w took the time to get it right. That pmr30 jams every few shots without the mcarbo upgrades.
Kel Tec never inspired me to buy one.
This Smith on the other hand, sign me up.
I’ve been a fan of .22WMR since my dad bought me a Savage 63M in 1971. I own a several rifles in .22 WMR, two PMR30’s and a CMR which I love. When prices recover from the introductory levels I’ll definitely be looking to purchase one of these. I pick up magnum ammo anytime I find a sale so over time I’ve accumulated a decent quantity. Gonna have to get more now for sure. Thanks for the very good review Don!
Have u had problems with the PRM30 ?
@@davidcampbell4465 No not really. You do have to load the magazine the way Keltec instructs you to though. I think a lot of people experience problems because they take it out of the box and never read the owners manual.
@@steveturner3999 ok, thxs.
Cool what is the best high capacity 22 WMR rifle?
Yeah, I would agree that .22 WMR isn't an optimal defense cartridge. But with 30 rounds of it in an almost zero recoil handgun, I'm betting I could put a T-Rex on the run. I'm gonna be looking for one of these.
T-Rex on the run!😂
I'd still rather have a 5.7 pistol.
@@Uberragen21Get both!
@@Uberragen21
.22 Magnum is about $12 - $14 per box. 5.7x28mm is about $50. I'd rather have the .22 Mag and 30 rounds of hollowpoints. Back in the day I owned a AMT AutoMag stainless I took in trade because the guy that had it was down on his luck. It was a hoot and a ton of fun to shoot and I regret dismissing it as a toy and moving it along ever since. I wished I had it back now and I will replace it with one of these. The AMT AutoMag (at least mine) was pretty accurate and functioned reliably as long as you cleaned and lubed it. Back then in the 80s and early 90s farmers, ranchers and outdoorsy people used to abuse and beat on /up .22 caliber rifles and pistols. It's not going to run when it hasn't been cleaned for thousands of rounds and is full of dirt/mud. It won't run bone dry or while using WD40 either. Mine worked and shot great.
Totally agree Danny.
Don’t take his in any weird way, but one of the most attractive aspects of your videos is the warmth of your smile as you enjoy the shooting sports. Shooting is fun.
I keep a 22WMR pistol and rifle as my bug out set up,I like the fact that I can have almost 500 rounds on me and not notice it as much.still able to take down anything I’d need to with shot placement.
Within about 50 yards, that's a fact. 45 years , owned over 3 dozen ,keep several all the time. The best rifles win94/22m, CZ455. Rarest Br. BPR. best revolver S&W651 and Colt new frontier convertible. Hopefully this is the best sa pistol, all the others are not reliable enough for defense. Sa rifles are barely any better. best of bunch is CZ512. Buddy has the HK, scope mounts very high on receiver. and expensive, but works. A22m failed ,Ruger 10/22m failed. Most accurate ....Marlin 783. imho
@@paulmoss7940 Henry .22 mag lever . Walther WMP .22 WMR .
@@paulmoss7940 yeah .22 magnum is right on the edge of having too much power for blowback, but barely enough for a locked breech. It's hard to make a good semi auto .22 wmr.
@@andycraig6905 It's not really on the edge of being too powerful.
There are so many fantastic blowback 9mm Carbines, even bigger calibers than that.
It's really just the design of the case.
It is really thin & long.
The cases tend to buldge.
It's just not an ideal cartridge for semi-auto.
@@paulmoss7940how did a 10/22 fail?
I have a Kel Tec PMR 30 as my every day carry and have put over 500 round thru this gun with no FTF. I carry two magazines with 60 rounds of fire power which is unparalleled in other handguns and am totally confident in my ability to protect myself and the ones I love with this caliber. I will definitely be purchasing the Smith and Wesson M&P 22 Magnum for my SHTF bug out firearms and just fun shooting at the range. Thank you for your honest reviews of these new and innovative firearms.
What ammo works best in your PMR 30?
500 rounds is not exactly a large sample size. But I've had a PMR30 and it was pretty good too. 30 Rounds definitely counts as firepower in my book, and you can stay on target very easily. Loud, though!
I had a PMR30 Keltech. I upgraded because it was jamming, even if I used the recommended ammo.
Before I upgraded, the ramp melted. This gun is a pos.
@@alfonsobenitez8574 my kel tec pmr 30 with all of the mcarbo upgrades still sucks, im putting mine up on gunbroker. i live near kel tec, even have one of the last flash suppressors....sw addressed the two main issues the mag release and the magazine itself.....you have to be able to speed load these mags, even with a kel tec oem speed loader the round gets dimpled and the mag stack usually gets fouled at around round 20 where you have to tap it back every 5 rounds, it is just a pain in the arse....id like to find a sw 22 wmr rental, unlike skip i like the safety feature, which may be the only think kel tec has over sw, the sw safety does not look convincing and i train to thumb sweep the safety on any weapon i pick up, wondering how the safety responds to a quick draw from holster.
Thank you for the review! Nice firearm, and nice to see S&W manufacture a high capacity 22 mag.
Gonna get some hates but i have a kel-tec .22mag. 30rdclip. I love this gun. Accurate,deadly.
Guns even if you pay $4,000 for one you can get a lemon. If your gun works man more power to you. I'll never buy another Kel-Tec and never own one unless somebody gives one to me. I had a 9 mm that was brand new that almost blow off my hand and it was a factory defect not something I did wrong and they wouldn't replace it. I thought with him for 2 years and finally I pitch the damn thing in the garbage. It's the only true lemon gun I own out of over 30 handguns or at least I used to own. My best friend owns the exact pistol you have and I got to try it before about the Smith & Wesson and that's one of the main reasons besides what happened that I bought the Smith & Wesson I like the feel of it better to reliability and it never jammed. But for what it's worth I'm glad yours works cuz there's horror stories in every company as far as guns they've had blow up or this this and that.
Indeed, GOOD Bless America and Long Live the Republic! Great informative video. Never been quite as excited over a 22 before. Think I may be interested in this one though.
22 magnum that is !!!
Couldn’t be happier that Smith & Wesson made this after they released their 5.7 ! It is exactly what I want it to be, all the innovation and ergonomics of the Smith & Wesson M&P but in the caliber of my childhood.
I've got a Keltec PMR30 and it's awesome. This weapon looks similar and seems like a great option!
Thank you for this great video..30 rounds and low recoil as I get older is sounding more and more appealing ..when I was younger I felt the need to carry a 45. ..but times are a changin! For me as I see a place for this gun in my arsenal for sure! Thank you for this wonderful review
I have two NAA .22 magnum revolvers. It's an underrated round
It’s great to see new guns coming out. One of the reasons why I always watched your videos is because you always called a spade a spade. Unfortunately, since manufacturers started giving you guns, do you have changed your videos. If you find something you don’t like do you soft sell it to us. don’t forget what made your videos so great. If manufacturers can’t handle you being honest, if there is a problem or something, you don’t like the mats their problem, not yours. Those of us that follow you like the fact that you were honest and straightforward. Keep on!
One of the problems with the Kel-Tech is the excessive travel required by the delay blowback system. I am liking this one.
And, it's made by Kel Tech.
Mine had reliability problems until I cleaned it myself. There's also a little buffer piece that I suspect might be possible to insert backwards.
Or the fact they are hi-points cousin and suck harder than a Kardashian gal!#Keltec🚫
Keltec is afraid of debt, that's what's wrong with keltec. As a company they refuse to go into debt to automate and upgrade manufacturing. I don't fully blame them, too many competitors have tried to screw them over. If they get into debt, another company like S&w can buy the group that owns the debt and call in the note, running them out of business like happened to charter, and h&r originally. It's great but it hurts production.
One of the problems with people who talk sh1t about Kel-Tec is they can't even spell Kel-Tec correctly. Kel-Tec CNC Industries Inc., commonly referred to as Kel-Tec, is an American developer and manufacturer of firearms. Founded by George Kellgren in 1991 and based in Cocoa, Florida, the company has manufactured firearms since 1995. (who the fu#k is keltech?)
Funny how so many you tubers Al but scream don’t use a 22 mag as your CCW … I actually carry a 22 mag in the summer as I have several that can be pocketed in shorts. Great video.
One thing is missing.... "threaded barrel". I'll wait for the Gen 2 Model to come out with that addition. ;-)
Perfect pistol round good to see the 22 magnum as a semiautomatic pistol I have the Ruger single six with the 22 magnum cylinder and the 22 lr.
Just watched honest outlaw review. Looking like a feed issue.. Once that's fixed, I'm definitely getting one!!
I watched the same review so I have concerns. It was thought to be either a rim fired cartridge issue, or a magazine issue, or both. Either way , I’m afraid I’ll need to see it addressed before I ask the wife for the credit card.
@@rogerknight2267 Agreed!
Careful, consensus is centering that it is user error.
Great review!! Really impressive firepower
22 WMR👍 MY favorite cartridge,,, iv been waiting decades,,, PMR,30, and rock island , have now Smith and Wesson,,, I'm almost in heaven,,,,, the 22 mag is a nasty nasty round,,,, tiny little, hot bullet,,,
Great review as usual Sootch. What I can't understand about Smith and Wesson is why they don't release a family of pistols and not just a full-size. Most people don't want to carry a fill-size. I wish this came out in the compact size, and a micro version also with
1. With and without the thumb saftey
2. With and without threaded barrels
3. Black or FDE color
4. Tempo blowback design for .22WMR AND .380 ACP AND 9 mm AND 5.7 AND 10 mm
5. Metal or polymer
6. With or without the compensator for .380 and higher caliber
Please give us more choices, Smith and Wesson.
Spot on
I just want no worthless holes and no ugly cheesy markings on their revolvers.
Not asking for much... I bet they would be delighted to do that the moment you fund the product development and manufacturing expenses! Give them a blank check and your wish list and we'll see how long it takes!!!
Great video thx. Side note you can’t show 30 rd mags that’s crazy. Guild lines are out of control.
Show Kel TEC some respect 💐💐💐
I have to say-this is a wonderful gun to shoot. I shot CCI A22 through it. It was flawlees and shot as if it were a hand cannon with the boom and flash, but no recoil. It shot like a laser. Impressive to say the least.
I was really close to getting a WMP......now this comes out. Not sure if I wanna spring for the Smith or wait and see who else might offer something new in 22 mag. A Taurus TX22 mag would be sweet.
same
M&P with a 22TCM 9R barrel would be a nice option as well.
It took some work but my Keltec PMR 30 runs like a top. Mags are now the weakest link. New ones fixed that. Polymer mags are a huge problem and I'm likely to think the same with the S&W. I'll keep running mine. 22wmr is great for newbies or kids, just don't keep mags loaded or your asking for long term problems. Get one if it fits your needs. A Lot of fun.
This new offering and the Walther WMP sets the standard for quality and functionality imo. I may have to pick this up. I think this kicks the 5.7 butt simply for the difference in ammo price. Hopefully 5.7 ammo manufactures will realize the ammo must continue to drop. Thanks S&W for a quality firearm. Just think of the possibilities for a Performance Ctr. offering, like threaded barrel, front serrations, trigger, etc.
Trigger already at 3.5 so maybe not that. The other 2 would be nice options
Excellent review. Thank you Scootch!!!
Love 22 mag, this thing looks real appealing!
the grip and grip angle on these are amazing. really confidence inspiring.
.22 magnum is underrated.
Ive been waiting for a pistol like this to be made. I use a ruger sr22 with stingers and mini mags for my edc. I'll pick up one of these and see if it will replace my ruger. Alot of small 9mm handguns make my hand go numb shooting them. Thank you for this video.
Would be nice to see a 22-24 round G19 sized version. Would be way more practical for carry
I just can't take my eyes off that 1/8th inch gap between the frame and slide at the barrel end. Good lord S&W.
Looks almost like it was warped by heat. It definitely detracts from the appearance of the pistol.
Right!? Lol,
hopefully that's the only downer for this thing.
Their 5.7 has that gap too.
I just heard about this today, the 22 Mag is a pretty cool cartridge and definitely has more ooomph than 22LR. The only real issue I have with it is that it's not cheap, it's about as cheap to shoot 9mm as it is 22Mag, if not cheaper.
Yea, .22 Mag has been way too expensive.
I've been paying about $25 per box for 5.7.
No excuse for .22 Mag to be almost $20.
Not to mention that you can reload 9mm and shoot it for probably close to half the price of .22 WMR, especially if you use light powder charges and inexpensive FMJ bullets.
Just picked up 200 rdsof cci varmint for $40 at Walmart idk where you guys are buying you ammo but it's no where near the price of 9mm.
@@highspeed9518dude, id forgotten that they still sell that I’ll have to see what they’re asking in my neck of the woods. Generally not much better than 9 in most stores here if at all.
I only order 9mm online can get 1,000 federal 115 fmj from bereli for $280 to my door in 4 days. If you buy it at the store at $15+ a box you are spending close to $600 per 1k if not more.
Just got one a few weeks ago and was really excited. Remington ammo jammed like crazy (FTF) and so did Federal 50 grain HP. I did some honing of the bolt face and the ramp then the Remingtons feed now but Federal 50gr ammo is still a no go. Hornady 30-40 grain ammo works just fine. CCI 40 grain ammo is great too. Magazines are flimsy plastic. I can only get 29 rounds in mine with any brand of ammo and I suspect the mags could be a cause of feeding issues. Accuracy at 25yds is nothing to brag about. My trigger is a lawyer trigger. It's, heavy with creep and a lot of travel on the reset. I love the pistol in that caliber but a little more work needs to go into that pistol. S&W - plastic mags?? Come on Smith! I see some have had better experiences and mine may be a fluke but I am NOT happy with my M&P 22WMR - yet!.
I like that this is smaller and slicker than the walther but the walther seems to be better overall
The m&p barrel system is better
I've been looking for magnum pistol for a while. It's nice to have another option. Thanks for the excellent review!
What a day , when S&W copies Keltec
😂😂😂
For the third time
Looks like a mix of keltec and the ruger 57
I came for these comments
He said it's very "inovative"....I guess that means "copied from a PMR30" although, it fired flawlessly (in this video) which my PMR30 never did. 😢
I’ve wondered forever why no company can make a 1911 in .22 magnum. Like a 2/3 size with like 25 round magazine. With hollow point ammo it would be a very viable EDC. Super light recoil so bullets could stay on target. Smooth clean lines for easy draw without sharp corners to snag clothing? Sights designed to not snag on clothing or holsters. Dream on. If I was filthy rich I would have one made.
This is very nice as a 22 magnum fan! I hope they make a carbine to match!
Would be nice if they can make it fold like their FPC 9mm.
Ran 3 full magazines as a final function test with no malfunctions. Time to make this one of my EDC.
Awesome gun and great engineering by S&W
I love the 22 mag! I have the AMT 22 automag and the Ruger 10/22 magnum! I would love to get this gun!
The first .22 Magnum automatic pistol I fired was a custom Luger manufactured by John Vernon Martz and myself when I was younger and working for him. I made the flat springs, grips, magazine bases, etc. It shot well and was very accurate. I saw the pistol on RIA Auction house a few years ago and it was in the original rust blue finish. The Smith and Wesson pistol looks sharp and accurate also. It looks like it might be fun to shoot also.
Is the polymer frame drooping near the muzzle end? The gap is not even along the slide. This gun may not be for those with OCD.
Way to go S&W!!! Now do your 5.7 barrel the same way,not all of us want ir need a threaded barrel
Absolutely love this 😊
I've seen several reviews of this pistol. Yours is the best by far. No problems with feeding issues? Honest Outlaw ran 300 rounds through one and had regular problems feeding. Thoughts? Keep up the good work!
I really wanted the 5.7 because I thought that operating system was cool as shit and unique, but didn't want to pick up another caliber.
This will go fantastic with my other .22wmr firearms.
Sootch, I hope you will also do a review of the Taurus TH45. Big ol 45 definitely needs more love nowadays
Boomer
I bought my Walther WMP back on 8 Jul 22 and absolutely love it. I don't care that its big and bulky. It gets the job done. Walther has a list of ammo to use and not used. Well I have tried some of those not to use and mine eats it all day long. I love the German quality and do wish the 15 round mags were 30 rounds, but I can live with it as I now have 10 spare mags. I just may get this Smith & Wesson M&P 22 mag but I would have to hold it in my hands and go over the quality of the build.
Thanks for a grat review. Looking forward to owning the M&P .22 magnum...
Sootch, once again, you guys have inspired me to buy another great gun! Just bought one after watching this video! 👍👍👍
Building up that 401G! What a fun handgun and caliber! Thanks Brother!
First S&W made an improved version of the SUB-2000, now they made an improved PMR-30. It seems crazy that they would be taking cues from Kel-Tec, but I'm glad they are. They're borrowing the ideas that I like, while avoiding some of the flaws.
While it may have low recoil, and lighter slide spring this still retains many of the potential failure points of any semi auto pistol making it a risk for self defense use in the hands of less trained shooters. Being a rimfire cartridge the "dud" rate will almost guarantee higher vs centerfire because of several reasons (case loading, firing pin light hits, etc.) all common known rimfire issues. There is still the issues of slide not in battery, mag not seated, failure to feed from mag etc. All of these issues are seen more in rimfirs vs centerfires. While any gun can failures any experienced shooter will acknowledge rimfire is inherently more prone to failures. I like the 22WMR for sensitive shooters but not in a semi auto. The gun looks great for range time and I'll be looking for 1000rd reviews and if it works I'll be in the market for one.
Hooya!! Don great review. I’m going to look for a couple of those.
Holy crap what is up with M&P frames lately?
They looking all scratched up and cheap
@MR.IceCreamMan93 Nah I'm talking about that MASSIVE gap between the frame and slide. Plus the frame droops down. Looks terrible. It's like this on the 5.7 pistol too.
Maybe ventilation? That barrel gets hot and air helps it cool off.
I like the 22 magnum’s, and I understand they’re not effective like they’re not efficient enough to be self-defense, but you could use them as that and now that they have guns like this we could have more rounds in them effectively almost annihilates recoil I think it’s pretty nice
Ballistics test w Speer 9mm and Speer 22mag is very similar
It's time for a smaller WMR semi, or is this too big of an engineering challenge? Revolvers in WMR already make a lot of sense, far more reliable than 22 LR in our experience. So little recoil yet so much bang!
That magic 25 number so stupid TH-cam!!!!! I hope Smith figures a way to thread this barrel.also can we get a carbine or Rifle that shares this magazine(like the CMR 30) please smith I promise I’ll buy them both!!
Looks sweet. The only downside is magnum rounds are just as pricey as 9mm.
Winner!!!!
Check out Gun Sam , Revolver Aficionado . He performs a side by side performance demo. of .22 mag vs 9mm.
@@mikewallace8087 will do 👍
And significantly less power than 9mm out of a handgun
@@mikewallace8087he just posted that today I believe.
I looked at one in a local gun shop in Texas. Nice looking hand gun. My only complaint was the trigger. Long, gritty and a heavy pull. 2:21
Now TH-cam has a ban on mag capacity? 30 rds bad, but 25 ok? 🙄
so fuckin stupid of them to do that.... unamerican as fuck.
It's ridiculous
I think I've found a new friend ;-) Running out to the shop now .... Thank you Sootch00
Annyone who thinks .22Mag is a weak round. Think again. Its roughly the same diameter as a ..223 , given it doesnt have the velocity of a rifle , the shorter barel , the lower muzzle velocity but its still hits hard.
lol so is 22 short, diameter means nothing
The hottest 22WMR options are roughly half of the ft/lbs of M193 ball (5.56x45mm). It fluctuates in price greatly.
Fireball says it all.
@cryengine_x yes, but the mag has more powder behind it
@@inverted311 it fireball burn powder, all bark no bite
Ohhh I am soooo sold now! Definitely gonna go good with my M&P Sport II. Probably gonna be even better to take deer hunting as my snake gun in the early season.
I have one on the way! I’m a big fan of 22’s also I have a PMR and a Walter WMP
In this day and age a self defense carry needs to have high capacity. We see videos on Twitter, many instances of mobs surrounding people on roads and in businesses. And these mobs often employ prison beat down tactics where one or two will go low and then 3 or 4 will go high to get you on the ground at which point the foot stomping to the head begins. In this situation you don't necessarily need stopping power but suppression though sustained fire rate to get the crowd to scatter and give you an opportunity to leave the area.
15 rounds should drop 15 bodies, shot placement is key. If these idiots see people dropping they’ll scatter
Hello, great review I watch you all the time ! I have a question @ 14:06 on the video if you stop it there and look at the frame to slide gap you'll notice the frame sags down did you notice that ? I just bought one the other day and noticed when I was putting back together after cleaning it also has a lot of give if you were to squeeze the slide down towards the frame it seem it should be stiffer in that area ? Also if you were to mount a laser it would point down towards the ground not sure if it's enough to mess up alignment ? I also went to Smith and Wesson's site and it shows the gap in alignment.
FRAME TO SLIDE FIT! It is atrocious! Has S&W given a statement on this yet? I would buy at least 3 of these and the 5.7 if not for the abysmmal droop on the front end.
Scooch do a video about the kel tec p seventeen It's the strangest design of a pistol I've ever seen, but this thing works thanks for the video.
I can't get over the gap between the slide and frame. It just looks odd.
Agreed
You always do the best reviews.
Now I'm waiting for ATF to decide that the gas rings on the barrel are "baffles" and the barrel sleeve is a "suppressor" and we'll have 180 days to destroy/turn over/register ... wait ... what am I thinking? SURELY they'd never be allowed to overreach like that. ;)
Great video, though! I'll be looking for one of these locally.
Keltec did this 8 years ago...pmr30. Great gun as long as you feed it cci ammo.
I was wondering how long it was going to take for psa, ruger or s&w to design a 22wmr on their 5.7. Hopefully the others follow suit.
It will take companies awhile.
They have to make modifications to the operating systems to get it to work.
5.7x28 is working with considerably more power & multiple times the pressure.
That's why all the previous .22 Mags have been direct blowback.
S&W just removed the main part of the delay system for this one.
Great review. I have a 5.7 looking at the 22mag due to similarity. To me personally any firearm that can be fired with accuracy by eliminating flinching is more powerful than a hand cannon where luck plays into followup. Just my opinion. Plus if needed in a nighttime situation a reduced flash is just a bonus. Thank you. Subscribed.
Oh yeah, especially with that mag capacity.
For those out there with any doubts about stopping power. Just ask your local Medical Examiner. I am going to wait for the one with extended barrel. Like always great video.
AGREE, I am feeling 5-7 of those in someone would make them feel queazy
Hit your mark and they will kill drt.
Im definitely going to be buying this one, I don't own any S&W I used to own the old 4006 stainless steel it was a tank and they had some issues, but this is one for the gun range or whatever! Having a threaded barrel would be cool but they are a dime a dozen. I love the fireball these throw out, not as big as the Walther WMP
Would be interesting to see this gas system in a hypothetical third generation of M&P pistols in 9mm etc.
This will be mine! Thank you Smith and Wesson!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You could carry this with 2 extra mags and have 90 Rounds ! That is great !
What is your scheme?
Im glad that when 9 mm went to $28 a box, I invested in 22 magnum that was still near $20. Now, I have two P30s and rifles, and may buy this. Thanks bunches, Sootch-Sensible Prepper dudes.
Already have one. It's called Walther WMP 🏆 ✌️ longer barrel, way better styling looks, and 100 bucks less than the M&P - FOR A WALTHER 👍
30 rounds of firepower that's reliable! I am sold...
The fact that the 22 magnum uses a jacketed bullet and 22 LR uses a metal washed bullet means the 22 magnum is serious as a round for defense.
It's not serious for self defense not because of the bullet, but because it's rimfire. A centerfire primer is far more reliable than a rimfire primed cartridge.
@@10mmlover non biased opinion here I dont own one. ehhh, not as much with modern cartridges from what I can tell. rimfire is less reliable for sure but saying far more might be an overstatement. Also, I heard a story of an officer taking a 22 wmr to the shoulder. exploded his bone up and severed his nerve. 22 mag is a nasty little round for self defense.
@@10mmlover What would you rather shoot in your house. A 10 mm thats going to explode your eardrums and possibly kill your nieghbors nieghbors nieghbor with over penatration or a sufficient, recoiless, quiet round. Its a hard decision but im going with 22 or 32 or something smaller with some crazy self defense ammo.
@@kingsdrumming this question has come up in the past, the idea of something easily suppressed vs. something more powerful. Rifle rounds are massively more effective than any 22LR or pistol rounds as far as 1 to 2 shot stops. When your life is on the line, some ear ringing isn’t going to matter. These 22 magnum rounds wouldn’t qualify as quiet. This and other videos from 22plinkster show lots of bang and a huge fireball with every shot.
@@10mmlover will a larger caliber shot inside make you go deaf like say 357 or 223 or 308. I want to see a video explaining this so I know what to pick. I'm really worried about that lol
Been thinking of getting a 22mag pistol for awhile.I think that this SW will fit my needs.
Great video (as always) Don. As you know, I am a huge Walther fan and I EDC a PDP every day, at work BUT………I was very underwhelmed with the Walther WMP because of the finicky ammo issues that it has. This S&W looks really good and is something that I would love to go out and buy BUT: living in NY we can’t have the 30 round mags and unless they come out with a 10 round mag option, this is a no go here.
Dang NY needs some freedom.
@@rangefinderz5135😂
I think 5.7 black tip, if available, would be a better choice?
Given the way the Tempo barrel sleeve system works (both on this model and on the 5.7), and the fact that the system doesn't have a requirement for any goofy vertical movement like tilting barrel systems have to deal with, it really makes me wonder if they couldn't have gotten the bore axis even lower by putting the recoil spring assembly above the barrel instead of below it.
at 21:11 ... why doesn't Smith & Wesson fix their molds, so the plastic receiver is strait at the front under the slide??? Come on S&W
I’d be all over this if it had a threaded barrel option. My Q El Camino would be right at home on this one!
Oh, that would be sweet!
It won't supress much, kinda a waste of time.
I've tried my Gemtech on WMR, not worth the trouble.
Is your frame warped? It appears that a gap between it and the slide progressively opens up towards the front. Something not seated properly? Cool firearm, though!
Do you mean to tell us.. U-Tube won't let you show a 30 round magazine? Because it will Damn us all to Hell?
Idiocy... Thanks for stopping by Chris
i need to check out all the polymer offerings in 22 wmr. Seems Walther makes one. Maybe Tarus too.
I like the Walther WMP a bit better. Wish it was a bit less blocky. This S&W looks good overall. I can only have 10 rounds so the Walther would be the one I’d get unless you can get the Smith with lower capacity. Like to see a few more manufactures come out with a 22 magnum pistol. HK, Taurus, Sig etc. looks like this is 100 dollars more that the Walther. See it for 600.
Move to a free state.