Of course, he lies to himself a lot. 11's childishness is him ignoring despite looking like a young man, he's an old man even by Time Lord standards. Saying he can regenerate is just 11 denying to himself that he's old
@@nellie204 the timeless child is bullshit. When you thought they couldnt mess doctor who more, when you had hopes that after Jodie's doctor well get a fresh likeable new one, they mess up the whole series by breaking the basic lore.
@@timwoods8297 but it doesn't really break the lore. The Doctor grew up on Gallifrey,, and still made the hoice to leave. All of the stuff before that she doesn't remember, ya know? And what are we except a composite of our memories? I'm still thinking that Jo Martin's Doctor is 6B.
It's interesting that in hindsight we can see that the Doctor was bluffing against an enemy able to read his thoughts. That takes talent. He's really good at that Rule #1.
the child actors must have been like "Awesome! we get to go on an adventure with the doctor on tv" then the directors are like "just stand in the corner and dont talk"
Um idk about you but when there's a giant metal robot ready to destroy the planet I would be terrified, and many many people freeze when they are terrified.
the whole shows gone very kiddy, i mean come on! 'mr clever'? why not call him the telletubby man and make him sit in the corner eating tubby toast? if you wanted to go for an intellectual word for clever why not go for"cerebral"?
***** when was the last time they did an episode as serious as the episodes from tennant and before? they havent. ever since clara came on the show its turned stupid and kiddish
I really love the backgrounds of the Doctor's brain. The artistic devices used really just work for me. The harsh, cold, flashing maps and typed numerals of the Cyber Controller's brain clash with the sort-of hand-drawn equations and Gallifreyan discs of the Doctor's. It really goes well, I think.
I think this is one of his best bits of acting on Doctor Who. Because you can clearly define the two different characters The Doctor and the Cyber Planner, and he does it so quickly.
I totally agree because it's hard enough acting as someone else but acting as two different people sharing the same head? That takes quite a lot skill and Matt Smith aced it.
The already hammy 11th Doctor gets upgraded into an emotionless robot and somehow becomes even more hammy? I would complain if Matt Smith throwing himself around like that wasn't *_glorious_*
I like to think that being converted fully would just have been making the doctor operate more like the master simply because like he said the interface wasn't a strong enough match to truly take away emotion
love how the doctor says he could regenerate right then, even though hes out of regenerations edit: the comment was made well before the time lords granted him more regenerations. and well before the whole timeless child thing happened
I imagine he had forgotten about the War Doctor at this point and possibly even his Meta-Crisis State... Well, that, or he was just suppressing the memory to keep it away from the Cybermights and bluffing.
Viatori Bufo Correct. The Doctor always remembered the War Doctor but he didn't want to remember him. He was like a piece of inconvenient mental furniture shuffled off into the corner. The Doctor in this instance was bluffing, and probably using subtle mental blocks to disguise the fact he was bluffing. Besides, technically, the doctor COULD regenerate at this point. I believe in a previous adventure from the 1980s a Time Lord who had run out of regenerations but who was possessed triggered the regeneration process. Without any more regenerations, the process killed him. So the Doctor may have been keeping it as a final line of defense. The truth is though we are all rationalising an explanation. At this point the WD hadn't been conceived of and everyone thought there was one more to go, including the writers. We are just trying to make sense of what went before in light of new information.
And he performed most of this in front of a green screen...0.o Give the man credit where credit's due. Also, some people are saying the Cybermen aren't 'scary' in this episode...Can you just imagine the potential of a CyberTimeLord? And then add to that thought: *The Doctor* as the leader of the Cybermen? Yes, that thought in itself is terrifying enough.
TrueImmortality I don't know what would be so terrifying about that. The Doctor-Cyberplaner still lost to the regular Doctor. The Cybermen to me weren't really scary in this epispde nor in any episode to be honest. Intimidating, yes , but not scary their methods are way to straightforward for that.
Avatarbee haha I forgot all about this comment. Xd I find the idea of a CyberDoctor very scary. The real Doctor barely won. It wasn't like it was an easy victory. Cybermen are scary to me because they wipe out who you are as a person. A Dalek will just kill you instantly--a Cyberman will take away your identity, your independence, your thoughts as an individual. Yep. That's pretty much the scariest thing I can think of.
TrueImmortality plus it's been proved that the Dalek process is imperfect and people are capable of overrunning it so it's not like you ended permanently
I've heard complaints about the Cyber-Planner in this episode being a bit too emotional from many people, myself included, but if you think about it, the Doctor wasn't fully converted, and elements of the Doctor's personality are evident in Mr. Clever's dialogue and movements. Not to mention Matt Smith comes across as genuinely threatening as Mr. Clever.
Yeah, in all likelihood it was the Cyber Network having the ultimate equvialent of a LSD Trip upon coming into contact with the Doctor's Mind. Too much data and in order to process that data it needed to go through a effective personality change to actually understand it.
@@Alovon that would make trying to convert The Doctor into a Cyberman or the *leader* of the Cybermen more of a liability than an asset. A mistake rather than something that was intended for. And I think that's why they've traditionally only converted Humans because aliens probably have more incompatible parts than any single Cyberman can contend with. What the Cyberiad did, here was likely akin to what would happen if you tried to implant a Time Lord's final incarnation's brain into an old computer to make said Time Lord more immortal than they previously were. The brain would contain too much data for the computer to process and work properly with.
Matt was absolutely brilliant in this - I love the Gollum/Sméagol-like conversations that he did (without even cutting, a lot of times), and I think it's great that the Doctor's foce of personality is so great that the Cyberplanner resembled him a lot - the difference is relatively subtle but still so easily visible, it's fantastic.
They are all excellent enemies. I think it's all because (as they are different versions of the Doctor) he knows that he can't trick them or trap them because they will sense it a mile off as they have his intelligence as well. The only way is to outsmart them.
Don't forget Davros. Even if he's a complete hypocrite, he does have his truths about the Doctor. What I like in any villain is that they can be a complete jerk and still have genuinely correct points to make that the hero fails to look at.
Even better, in the Original Series, The Master was meant to be an EVIL Doctor...legitimately his dark side given form. But the actor passed before they could film the reveal, so they had him regenerate and he became his own character.
The Doctor was bluffing when he threatened to trigger a regeneration. In The Time of The Doctor, he told Clara that he didn't have any more regenerations, because of the one with vanity issues who used one to repair himself. That's why he had grown so old. Forget chess, he should've challenged him to poker.
You think Smith is better than Eccleston? By your immaturity, I assume that 11 was your Doctor. Once you've grown out of him, go back to 9, 12 and 5 for some real performances.
nightowl who said “11 is better than 9?” No one, that’s who. He just said one was more physical than the other. It’s like saying “you’d never see Colin Baker on a recorder.”
Skynet is already here, it's called the internet. Between social media, Siri, Alexa, Bixby, smart TVs it already has a brain structure, a form of neural net and is self-learning. AI is indirectly and inextricably linked to the elimination of unnecessary labor by nurturing systems that get smarter with each incident and transaction.
Thing that everyone forgot was that while he could not regenerate into a new body he still had plenty of regeneration energy still available as shown in angels take Manhattan and he healed Rivers wrist. Also when he was shot in the impossible astronaut you could see regeneration energy healing him
I always took the energy in Impossoble Astronaut as a fake-out to make it seem he is the actual doctor and not a costume. In case you might say "but the first time it was the real doctor" I think it always was the robot disguise
@@notarobot5815 It always was the robot disguise, Tesselecta-Doctor being "killed" was _always_ the Fixed Point. Faking regeneration energy with holograms is probably trivial for them.
I would love for Mr Clever to be reintroduced. Maybe the cybermen could've created a backup of the doctors mind to upload onto another cyberman-human thing. Wishful thinking.
@@Will91289 Rather irrelavant. The cybermen already won by gaining that information. It became immortal in the network, and likely advanced them by millenia, maybe even got them closer to building a tardis.
@@MrOmegatronic May I remind you of a significant little Detail about TARDISes: "They were grown not built" i don't think Cybermen have any gardening skills ^^
2:32 i like the fact that the doctor left out the war doctor to trick the cybermen into thinking he still had one more regeneration. The attention to detail put into the show is outstanding
Accidental238 Yes but he's tried to forget and surpress it for so long that it might be uncrontrollable by the cyberiad but he doesn't want to remember it.
"Who's Clara? Why are you thinking about her so much?" Me: *wide grin* Doctor.... "Enough!" Me: Nice way to stop the conversation about Clara doctor! :)
Neat thing I noticed about the camera work: when the Doctor is talking, he's facing right, showing the normal side of his face. When Mr Clever is talking, he's facing left, showing the cyberized part of his face. This is also the direction they face inside the Doctor's head.
DarthRushy There is a certain degree of malice to the performance as well. I mean the Jekyll/Hyde act is a tough thing to pull off and he did it quite nicely
Ben Wasserman There is a bit of malice, true, but most villains are malicious. That's not really what I was criticising. He's over-the-top as a villain, rather buffoonish actually. You could say he's parodying the Doctor's personality, but it's impossible to take him seriously as a villain. They should've done it more Dream Lord style(in terms of acting), just with Matt Smith in the role. Make it subtle and truly malevolent, like the classic Cybermen.
DarthRushy Look I'm not gonna deny I was surprised by a Cyber-creature showing some signs of emotion, but the fact of the matter is this is the part of the episode we remember the most
Ben Wasserman It is, but that doesn't make it automatically good. It just makes it memorable. I like the concept in literally every way(doppelgangers AND chess), I like the visuals and even some of the dialogue, but Smith's performance is ridiculous. He could've easily portrayed the Cyber Planner as cold and pragmatic, which would directly oppose the Doctor's personality.
+A. “Doctor” Edwards christopher had a short run, but was still a fantastic re-entry to doctor who, all i wonder now is what if he was partnered with donna? sass and sarcasm.
That One Cosmic Autobot I did think that was good. Rather than just showing him generating from 10 to 11, he showed all of them, proving how old he was and letting the Cyberplanner (or whatever you want to call him) see for himself how old he is.
***** I said he can't do a FULL regeneration. Healing a hand is different. All the more reason River said it was a waste of regeneration energy, cause he didn't have much left.
He could do a full regeneration due to the brain being badly damaged. But he wouldn't regenerate properly due to that form being to be his final. Well it was me t to be until he got more regenerations.
+Conner Hanks he still has regeneration energy in his body although he cannot regenerate. All time lords have regeneration energy in their blood but he didn't have enough. He could release the energy but that could result in killing him.
Definitely one of my favourites in Series 7, if mostly because of these scenes with the Doctor and the Cyber-Planner battling it out with differing personalities, while throwing himself all over the place. It's just excellent fun to watch. Praise to Gaiman for making a really good episode. :D
This episode is my favorite. Nothing shows an actors capability like being the and the hero at the same time. You have to be able to make us hate you and root for you at the same time. Math Smith is amazing in this episode.
The Doctor played a massive bluff here, he had used up his 12 regeneration so by this point, so couldn't regenerate and so didn't really have a bargaining chip to use against the cyber-planner
***** DID YOU WATCH THE 11TH REGEN EPISODE WHERE HE STATED BLATANTLY THAT HE HAD USED UP ALL 12 REGENERATIONS BY THAT POINT, AND THE TIME LORDS HAD TO GIVE HIM A WHOLE NEW CYCLE
Love the direction because whenever it's the Doctor the camera shows the right-side of his face, but when it's "Mr. Clever" it shows the cybernetic side!
Funny that there wasn't a hint of the War Doctor when The Doctor let the Cyberplanner have knowledge of the Doctor's past Regeneration's. Although it could be another mental block like Clara's info.
No he says "I won't remember this, will I" when he talks about not remembering the 50th anniversary special. I think its a mental block, something he doesn't want to ever come back to.
Though this can obviously be explained by the war Doctor not existing, another clever way to explain why he's not present is that if smith showed his entire regeneration cycle the cyberman would know that he couldn't regenerate, as he had already used twelve cycles. Plus, the Doctor tries so hard to forget the war Doctor that the memory is probably somewhere else in the brain, seperate from the rest of his memories.
This episode was written before The War Doctor reveal and in Day of The Doctor succeeding incarnations 9th, 10th, and 11th just wanted to bury the memory of The War Doctor because of what had supposedly done which was destroying Gallifrey.
I love this scene. Hands down, one of my favourites with Matt as the 11th Doctor. Heck! The episode is one of my favourites when he was the 11th Doctor. So energetic as he flips in and out of a personality and such as he uses his body language to show one half he has no control over
Thank god Chibnall's gone. Never have I seen such a dedicated effort to drive a series into the ground so hard by its creators than with Chibnall's tenure as the lead writer on Doctor Who
Can we take a moment to be impressed by Matt's ability to act like two different versions of the same person talking to each other in the same mind? So cool.
Randomness Compressed and Incarated Except the Star Trek writers knew how to properly write the Borg. Marc Platt is the only person who I can think of who knows what he's doing.
Honestly, I thought it was really cute that he was thinking about Clara so much. Just that little extra flavor on top to all the hints that the Doctor was in love with Clara. Plus, that probably saved his ass XD If he was thinking about anything else - especially anything important - "Mr. Clever" would've known about ALL of it before the mental block
MaddoxProductions1 he reminds me of another incarnation at 1:07 - I think Colin Baker? Interesting how when we are inside the Doctor's mind, different incarnations appear.
I feel so bad, look at it like this... at 0:37 it sounds like he's saying. " no! Stop it! I don't want to be...." He knew what he was becoming and was terrified... just listen Best acting ever
I love when the Cyberplaner skips in and out of the Doctor and the mental Mini argument in his head, and the the argument on the outside. “Stalemate!” *ZIP*
+Rikeilan Wasn't the hybrid supposed to be the Doctor and Clara (maybe any companion) where they kept pushing each other further and further until the Doctor did something so stupid it would destroy the universe? Might be wrong on that but that's how I understood it
+Rikeilan XD Yeah, speaking about that, has somebody seen the Classic series? Cause I've heard that the productors wanted the doctor to be half-human. But at the end of the seconds season, they gave up the idea. I can't remeber it clearly now, did they say it explicitly during the first season or it was just subtitled?
+Selene I do not know, I am sorry, I haven't watched the "old" episodes yet. In my opinion though, I believe it is better to have the Doctor be 100% pure Timelord. I think if he was half-human that would be so egoistic of us.
Obviously, the reason we don't see the War Doctor here is because they hadn't thought of him yet, but here's a more fun idea: The 11th Doctor is the one who forgets, so he buried all memories of the Time War so deep in his mind the Cyber Planner didn'tknow where to look. And because Mr Clever doesn't know about the War Doctor, then 11 can use regeneration as a threat. Pretty smart on the Doctor's half.
It's cool how in some way the Doctor outsmarted Mr. Clever from the beginning by letting him have just enough data on regeneration to threaten him but hid the fact he was on his last life without Mr. Clever actually suspecting anything
I really like this scene. The acting is great, evil Doctor is great, the conflict is great, but most of all, the situation itself is great. The most interesting thing about the doctor (despite his various adventures and achievements) is his personality. And here it is controlled by the Cyberiad. But! It's complete replacement, it's integration. Mr Clever is as much the doctor as he can be while still acting for the goals of the Cyberiad. He still has a very similar personality. Which means that in the beginning of the scene, we see Mr Clever familiarizing himself with...himself. The thing he became. It's exquisitely paradoxical/dual for reasons i can't explain. And it is always great to see cool interesting characters who retain an interesting personality under mind control, rather than becoming either just puppets, or generic emotionless villains. (Also, the enthusiasm i feel about the Doctor having a cool evil version is surprisingly similar to the enthusiasm i feel when female characters have a cool and sexy evil version, which may say new things about my heterosexuality)
i love this episode. i like learning about time lord science and how they work and function. in this you learn about the kinds of control they have over their own brain and a little bit about how regeneration works.
2:49 He's lying of course. He knows that he has reached the end of his regeneration cycle and is just trying to bluff the cyber planner to abandon his body.
I like how you can easily tell who is talking in these scenes. When Mr. Clever is talking, we see mostly the side with the cyberman upgrades and blue lights, and it's the opposite case for the Doctor.
Personally I think this is some of the most brilliant acting in the entire show, or from Matt at least. He clearly creates with his facial expression alone two personalities, you can tell which is supposed to be which just by looking at them, not to mention the movements! The eleventh doctor’s signature flourishes of the hand are even more dramatic for emphasis when Matt smith is acting as mr. Clever, even the tilt of his head is different.
What with everything that's been going on as of late regarding the gigaleak, I imagine people reacting like at 2:19 whenever something particularly big is found.
I love how emotional the leader of the emotionless Cybermen is. - Relax, you will find it perfectly pleasant to be upgraded so that you won't have a concept of "pleasant" anymore :P
Mr Clever is definitely a great villain name. Matt does great at portraying a villain, this whole scene is pretty good he played a villain in Morbius but it wasn’t quite the same as Mr Clever. Mr clever reminds me of the joker in a way. Beautiful acting by Matt though 👏
The Cybermen are pretty adept at imitating emotions, and sometimes I think they do feel pain. Also, as they had evolved by this point, it's possible they could see the benefits of certain emotions in their victims.
The title of "Time Lord" has gotta be one of the most intimidating labels in the galaxy. This episode really missed points when the newly converted Doctor didn't call himself The Cyber Lord.
Think about what this demonstrates about a Time Lord brain - The Doctor is mentally a match for the top level computing power of the Cybermen, a highly advanced group of them for that matter. ...Damn a Time Lord brain is clever, complex and fast.
honestly, the Doctor playing chess against himself is quite possibly the most Doctor Who thing I have ever seen on Doctor Who
Doctor: Please, I defeated Fenric at chess.
Cameron Tyson There's also "You named your daughter after your daughter." with Melody Pond.
If all the Doctors were in a chess match, who'd get second place? Because we all know 7 would win
Cameron Tyson checkmate
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For everyone saying that they messed up when Eleven said he can regenerate. Remember, Rule 1: The Doctor lies.
Of course, he lies to himself a lot. 11's childishness is him ignoring despite looking like a young man, he's an old man even by Time Lord standards. Saying he can regenerate is just 11 denying to himself that he's old
Well, now that Jodie's doctor found out she had unlimited regenerations in The Timeless Child because she has is The Timeless Child
@@redjirachi1 I was thinking about this so much
@@nellie204 the timeless child is bullshit. When you thought they couldnt mess doctor who more, when you had hopes that after Jodie's doctor well get a fresh likeable new one, they mess up the whole series by breaking the basic lore.
@@timwoods8297 but it doesn't really break the lore. The Doctor grew up on Gallifrey,, and still made the hoice to leave. All of the stuff before that she doesn't remember, ya know? And what are we except a composite of our memories? I'm still thinking that Jo Martin's Doctor is 6B.
It's interesting that in hindsight we can see that the Doctor was bluffing against an enemy able to read his thoughts. That takes talent. He's really good at that Rule #1.
Glad someone else sees this as a moment of brilliance, rather than another plot hole to complain about.
So, how's life as an AI?
Sam Kirby
AI? I'm a ghost!
Yeah, er, about that...
Lennard Church Or it’s just a plot hole they didn’t catch.
the child actors must have been like "Awesome! we get to go on an adventure with the doctor on tv"
then the directors are like "just stand in the corner and dont talk"
Um idk about you but when there's a giant metal robot ready to destroy the planet I would be terrified, and many many people freeze when they are terrified.
the whole shows gone very kiddy, i mean come on! 'mr clever'? why not call him the telletubby man and make him sit in the corner eating tubby toast? if you wanted to go for an intellectual word for clever why not go for"cerebral"?
its called a joke, lordlossize -.-
***** when was the last time they did an episode as serious as the episodes from tennant and before? they havent. ever since clara came on the show its turned stupid and kiddish
***** well thats your opinion, and im allowed to have mine
I really love the backgrounds of the Doctor's brain. The artistic devices used really just work for me. The harsh, cold, flashing maps and typed numerals of the Cyber Controller's brain clash with the sort-of hand-drawn equations and Gallifreyan discs of the Doctor's. It really goes well, I think.
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I think this episode is better then people give it credit for
A visualization of man vs machine, organic vs computer
@@Timeward76 Yes.
Matt makes a hell of a scary villain. I want to see more of him being evil
Same!!! Just the way he can move his head and make his voice so sinister is fantastic
You should see him in Terminator Genisys
Mark Dorsi For 20 seconds, and never again after that
Mark Dorsi Matt Smith was the only good thing about that movie
Mark Dorsi I saw that and it was amazing!
I think this is one of his best bits of acting on Doctor Who. Because you can clearly define the two different characters The Doctor and the Cyber Planner, and he does it so quickly.
"NOBODY DIES!"
So, "EVERYBODY LIVES?!"
Fantastic!!!
Steven Moffats' favorite sentence.
"just this once rose...just this once...EVERYBODY LIVES"
Tactic Prozone maybe he's trying not to repeat the 9th doctor's line.
Ha ha they are the same!
You really do have to give Matt Smith tons of credit for acting skill during this episode. Brilliant work.
I totally agree because it's hard enough acting as someone else but acting as two different people sharing the same head? That takes quite a lot skill and Matt Smith aced it.
The already hammy 11th Doctor gets upgraded into an emotionless robot and somehow becomes even more hammy? I would complain if Matt Smith throwing himself around like that wasn't *_glorious_*
***** Don't forget my favourite!
*clenches fists* "Our forces must GROW in strength!"
He has enough emotions to share. ;3
the cyberplanner isnt designed to interface with a time lord brain. it became an emotional conscious being as a consequence.
I like to think that being converted fully would just have been making the doctor operate more like the master simply because like he said the interface wasn't a strong enough match to truly take away emotion
This shows just how great of an actor Matt really is. A very good scene this is!
Wait, how were you able to watch it? O.o
Yes, the ability to switch from one to the other while keeping the flow going takes good acting skill. : )
DeclanTheCrow With skill.
It's an awful performance from a mediocre actor.
@@Toolsquatch Haha, you're funny.
love how the doctor says he could regenerate right then, even though hes out of regenerations
edit: the comment was made well before the time lords granted him more regenerations. and well before the whole timeless child thing happened
I imagine he had forgotten about the War Doctor at this point and possibly even his Meta-Crisis State... Well, that, or he was just suppressing the memory to keep it away from the Cybermights and bluffing.
***** don't you remember River Song giving him her regenerations
Rule number 1: The Doctor lies.
Viatori Bufo Correct. The Doctor always remembered the War Doctor but he didn't want to remember him. He was like a piece of inconvenient mental furniture shuffled off into the corner. The Doctor in this instance was bluffing, and probably using subtle mental blocks to disguise the fact he was bluffing. Besides, technically, the doctor COULD regenerate at this point. I believe in a previous adventure from the 1980s a Time Lord who had run out of regenerations but who was possessed triggered the regeneration process. Without any more regenerations, the process killed him. So the Doctor may have been keeping it as a final line of defense.
The truth is though we are all rationalising an explanation. At this point the WD hadn't been conceived of and everyone thought there was one more to go, including the writers. We are just trying to make sense of what went before in light of new information.
Gavin Lafferty .238% of the brain that no one controlled is where i imagine Hurt and Handy were hidden.
And he performed most of this in front of a green screen...0.o Give the man credit where credit's due. Also, some people are saying the Cybermen aren't 'scary' in this episode...Can you just imagine the potential of a CyberTimeLord? And then add to that thought: *The Doctor* as the leader of the Cybermen? Yes, that thought in itself is terrifying enough.
TrueImmortality I don't know what would be so terrifying about that. The Doctor-Cyberplaner still lost to the regular Doctor. The Cybermen to me weren't really scary in this epispde nor in any episode to be honest. Intimidating, yes , but not scary their methods are way to straightforward for that.
Avatarbee
haha I forgot all about this comment. Xd I find the idea of a CyberDoctor very scary. The real Doctor barely won. It wasn't like it was an easy victory. Cybermen are scary to me because they wipe out who you are as a person. A Dalek will just kill you instantly--a Cyberman will take away your identity, your independence, your thoughts as an individual. Yep. That's pretty much the scariest thing I can think of.
TrueImmortality Daleks sometimes transform you into a drone which is almost the same in my opinion.
Avatarbee That's true. And also terrifying haha. But Daleks are far more likely to kill you outright unless you can serve some other purpose.
TrueImmortality plus it's been proved that the Dalek process is imperfect and people are capable of overrunning it so it's not like you ended permanently
I've heard complaints about the Cyber-Planner in this episode being a bit too emotional from many people, myself included, but if you think about it, the Doctor wasn't fully converted, and elements of the Doctor's personality are evident in Mr. Clever's dialogue and movements. Not to mention Matt Smith comes across as genuinely threatening as Mr. Clever.
Yeah, in all likelihood it was the Cyber Network having the ultimate equvialent of a LSD Trip upon coming into contact with the Doctor's Mind.
Too much data and in order to process that data it needed to go through a effective personality change to actually understand it.
@@Alovon that would make trying to convert The Doctor into a Cyberman or the *leader* of the Cybermen more of a liability than an asset. A mistake rather than something that was intended for. And I think that's why they've traditionally only converted Humans because aliens probably have more incompatible parts than any single Cyberman can contend with. What the Cyberiad did, here was likely akin to what would happen if you tried to implant a Time Lord's final incarnation's brain into an old computer to make said Time Lord more immortal than they previously were. The brain would contain too much data for the computer to process and work properly with.
I think a lot of it was the doctor fucking with the cyber planners thoughts the same way he was able to block certain parts of the brain off
Matt was absolutely brilliant in this - I love the Gollum/Sméagol-like conversations that he did (without even cutting, a lot of times), and I think it's great that the Doctor's foce of personality is so great that the Cyberplanner resembled him a lot - the difference is relatively subtle but still so easily visible, it's fantastic.
The Master, The Valeyard, The Dreamlord, Mr Clever. All the best Doctor Who villains (-The Daleks) are essentially evil versions of the Doctor
They are all excellent enemies. I think it's all because (as they are different versions of the Doctor) he knows that he can't trick them or trap them because they will sense it a mile off as they have his intelligence as well. The only way is to outsmart them.
Spyro Fan kind of but the daleks can't die at all but the doctor can that is all
The master is probably my favorite doctor who villain because he's got this awesome Sherlock/Moriarty thing going.
Don't forget Davros. Even if he's a complete hypocrite, he does have his truths about the Doctor. What I like in any villain is that they can be a complete jerk and still have genuinely correct points to make that the hero fails to look at.
Even better, in the Original Series, The Master was meant to be an EVIL Doctor...legitimately his dark side given form. But the actor passed before they could film the reveal, so they had him regenerate and he became his own character.
The Doctor was bluffing when he threatened to trigger a regeneration.
In The Time of The Doctor, he told Clara that he didn't have any more regenerations, because of the one with vanity issues who used one to repair himself. That's why he had grown so old.
Forget chess, he should've challenged him to poker.
he still had regeneration energy though!
Titanic Faield Not for a new body though.
Yeah you're right, but maybe enough to get rid of the cyberwidgets
Titanic Faield He didn't have any left he was bluffing here. The Time Lords gave him a new cycle in Time of The Doctor.
Einez Crespo actually i believe it's an unlimited cycle for the doctor said it himself In the moon egg episode
He was an incredibly physical actor. You wouldn't get Eccleston throwing himself about like that.
Corellian Smuggler you Should see eccleston playing other parts, he is a very versatile actor
Try him ^^
You think Smith is better than Eccleston? By your immaturity, I assume that 11 was your Doctor. Once you've grown out of him, go back to 9, 12 and 5 for some real performances.
nightowl who said “11 is better than 9?” No one, that’s who. He just said one was more physical than the other. It’s like saying “you’d never see Colin Baker on a recorder.”
nightowl
I’ve seen them all and I personally prefer Matt.
"Mister Clever!"
Never gets old.
So this is how Skynet came to be.
+paulo9991 haha i was gonna comment but you beat me to it! :D
TERMINATOR
@@gilbertruffo4080 does he have an Uzi 9mm?
@@energyhammer2342 no but probably has a phased plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range.
Skynet is already here, it's called the internet. Between social media, Siri, Alexa, Bixby, smart TVs it already has a brain structure, a form of neural net and is self-learning.
AI is indirectly and inextricably linked to the elimination of unnecessary labor by nurturing systems that get smarter with each incident and transaction.
Thing that everyone forgot was that while he could not regenerate into a new body he still had plenty of regeneration energy still available as shown in angels take Manhattan and he healed Rivers wrist. Also when he was shot in the impossible astronaut you could see regeneration energy healing him
I always took the energy in Impossoble Astronaut as a fake-out to make it seem he is the actual doctor and not a costume. In case you might say "but the first time it was the real doctor" I think it always was the robot disguise
@@notarobot5815 It always was the robot disguise, Tesselecta-Doctor being "killed" was _always_ the Fixed Point. Faking regeneration energy with holograms is probably trivial for them.
1:31
It seems The Doctor has suddenly lost his mind. Let's fix that, with a controlled shock.
Yeah.
I would love for Mr Clever to be reintroduced. Maybe the cybermen could've created a backup of the doctors mind to upload onto another cyberman-human thing. Wishful thinking.
i doubt even a modified human beain could handle more than 1% of mr clevers mind
@@Will91289 Rather irrelavant. The cybermen already won by gaining that information. It became immortal in the network, and likely advanced them by millenia, maybe even got them closer to building a tardis.
Now, _that_ is a horrifying thought, @@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Why settle for human, when they can have a Cyber-TARDIS?
@@MrOmegatronic May I remind you of a significant little Detail about TARDISes: "They were grown not built" i don't think Cybermen have any gardening skills ^^
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 nah doctor brain too advanced apparently and needed full control to fully incorporate it into the cyber network
2:32 i like the fact that the doctor left out the war doctor to trick the cybermen into thinking he still had one more regeneration. The attention to detail put into the show is outstanding
Its either stupidity or genius, and in the words of a captain, those traits coincide surprisingly often
i mean even with war included they still wouldnt have known about Tentoo
That small piece that the Cyberman nor the Doctor control? That 0.238 percent? What if it's the Doctor's real name?
Pokesquirtle7 What if that were? Would that change anything?
Avatarbee Oh, nothing, just something that popped into my head.
Pokesquirtle7 Or possibly the war doctor's memories...
_X ToyScientist X_ He remembers being War he just denies that it's him
Accidental238 Yes but he's tried to forget and surpress it for so long that it might be uncrontrollable by the cyberiad but he doesn't want to remember it.
"Who's Clara? Why are you thinking about her so much?" Me: *wide grin* Doctor....
"Enough!" Me: Nice way to stop the conversation about Clara doctor! :)
Mmmm Doctor..
I know what you mean, I thought the same
+Super Brony
I think he's trying to figure out how the hell she died 2 times.
Super Brony I dont get it
"Oh, and I've just found a lovely little piece of information tucked away here- you've used up your entire regeneration cycle, which means..."
mental block so they can't call his bluff. lmao
Plus he probably had enough to get rid of mr clever, just not a full regeneration
+X They just bug him again right than and there.
I read that in his voice.
time lords who are out of regenerations can still force the process. It just kills them. We see it happen with another time lord (I forgot where)
Neat thing I noticed about the camera work: when the Doctor is talking, he's facing right, showing the normal side of his face. When Mr Clever is talking, he's facing left, showing the cyberized part of his face. This is also the direction they face inside the Doctor's head.
Might not have been the Best 11th Doctor episode but this is definitely one of Matt Smith's best performances in the show
+Ben Wasserman I disagree. I mean, the script's a bit odd, but he's just hamming it up unnecessarily.
DarthRushy There is a certain degree of malice to the performance as well. I mean the Jekyll/Hyde act is a tough thing to pull off and he did it quite nicely
Ben Wasserman There is a bit of malice, true, but most villains are malicious. That's not really what I was criticising.
He's over-the-top as a villain, rather buffoonish actually. You could say he's parodying the Doctor's personality, but it's impossible to take him seriously as a villain. They should've done it more Dream Lord style(in terms of acting), just with Matt Smith in the role. Make it subtle and truly malevolent, like the classic Cybermen.
DarthRushy Look I'm not gonna deny I was surprised by a Cyber-creature showing some signs of emotion, but the fact of the matter is this is the part of the episode we remember the most
Ben Wasserman It is, but that doesn't make it automatically good. It just makes it memorable.
I like the concept in literally every way(doppelgangers AND chess), I like the visuals and even some of the dialogue, but Smith's performance is ridiculous. He could've easily portrayed the Cyber Planner as cold and pragmatic, which would directly oppose the Doctor's personality.
Some seriously good acting from Matt in this episode
I agree.
possibly his best.
2:33 - 2:40 Cameos of the other Doctors always blow my mind with joy XD
Finally someone with ninth Doctor pic instead of tennant
***** I know, right? I think Christopher Eccleston is highly underrated!
+A. “Doctor” Edwards christopher had a short run, but was still a fantastic re-entry to doctor who, all i wonder now is what if he was partnered with donna? sass and sarcasm.
That One Cosmic Autobot I did think that was good. Rather than just showing him generating from 10 to 11, he showed all of them, proving how old he was and letting the Cyberplanner (or whatever you want to call him) see for himself how old he is.
That One Cosmic Autobot Everytime they do that and show 10, I always cry inside...
Imagine if the doctor was fully taken over by the cyberplanner...
Then the show wouldn't be called "Doctor Who" anymore. It'd be called "Mr. Clever and the Cybermen"
Planner Who
Doctor Mysterio
I actually did have a dream of about that. It's double the sinisterness from what I saw in the dream.
Anyone want to know what I saw in that dream? It's double the sinisterness.
This is the greatest metaphor for the doctor's greatest enemy is himself.
I'll just say - Matt Smith playing Mr Clever is awesome!
2:44 nice bluff. We know he can't do a full regeneration.
*****
I said he can't do a FULL regeneration. Healing a hand is different. All the more reason River said it was a waste of regeneration energy, cause he didn't have much left.
*****
She probably knew about them.
He could do a full regeneration due to the brain being badly damaged. But he wouldn't regenerate properly due to that form being to be his final. Well it was me t to be until he got more regenerations.
+cora newton actually he can't, he is the last of the regeneration cycle unless he earns a 2nd cycle and regenerates into peter capaldi
+Conner Hanks he still has regeneration energy in his body although he cannot regenerate. All time lords have regeneration energy in their blood but he didn't have enough. He could release the energy but that could result in killing him.
Does anyone else really love the set? It's so cold and Cyberman-ish!
Very very cyberman lol
Definitely one of my favourites in Series 7, if mostly because of these scenes with the Doctor and the Cyber-Planner battling it out with differing personalities, while throwing himself all over the place.
It's just excellent fun to watch. Praise to Gaiman for making a really good episode. :D
Cyber-planner??? Oh you mean Mr clever
Matt Smith is so good at playing villians, it’s no wonder they cast him in *checks notes* Morbius… oh
Yeah, to be fair, (I haven't seen it, not really want to) I'm sure he was more a highlight for that… _interesting_ motion picture…
hey now, he’s played the villain before that one. he was in *checks notes* Terminator Genisys… oh
This is what would happen if they made Bo Burnham's 'Left Brain, Right Brain' song into a horror movie and I love it.
This episode is my favorite. Nothing shows an actors capability like being the
and the hero at the same time. You have to be able to make us hate you and root for you at the same time. Math Smith is amazing in this episode.
Oh Matt.... He's such an amazing actor!!! The greatest Doctor Who that ever was and every will be!!!!
The Doctor played a massive bluff here, he had used up his 12 regeneration so by this point, so couldn't regenerate and so didn't really have a bargaining chip to use against the cyber-planner
Peter Capaldi
***** DID YOU WATCH THE 11TH REGEN EPISODE WHERE HE STATED BLATANTLY THAT HE HAD USED UP ALL 12 REGENERATIONS BY THAT POINT, AND THE TIME LORDS HAD TO GIVE HIM A WHOLE NEW CYCLE
...So who's Peter Capaldi?
***** Just watch the episode...
***** hes the 13th doctor well actually hes the first doctor of
the new regen cycle but yes he is the 13th
Love the direction because whenever it's the Doctor the camera shows the right-side of his face, but when it's "Mr. Clever" it shows the cybernetic side!
"cyberdoc realises he was chris eccl"
*FANTASTIC*
What if the Doctor knew someone named Nobody? What would Mr. Clever do then, I wonder? O_o
Damn you Faction Paradox!
Well!
tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Nobody_No-One
That would be gold to watch.
Funny that there wasn't a hint of the War Doctor when The Doctor let the Cyberplanner have knowledge of the Doctor's past Regeneration's.
Although it could be another mental block like Clara's info.
I believe he forgot about it after War Doctor regenerated into Eccleston. I remember a line where he says 'I won't remember this, will I'.
No he says "I won't remember this, will I" when he talks about not remembering the 50th anniversary special. I think its a mental block, something he doesn't want to ever come back to.
magicman1921 War Doctor didn't exist on writter's head, so there was no way of alluding him. :/
Though this can obviously be explained by the war Doctor not existing, another clever way to explain why he's not present is that if smith showed his entire regeneration cycle the cyberman would know that he couldn't regenerate, as he had already used twelve cycles. Plus, the Doctor tries so hard to forget the war Doctor that the memory is probably somewhere else in the brain, seperate from the rest of his memories.
This episode was written before The War Doctor reveal and in Day of The Doctor succeeding incarnations 9th, 10th, and 11th just wanted to bury the memory of The War Doctor because of what had supposedly done which was destroying Gallifrey.
Matt must’ve had so much fun acting in this scene
The fact the doctor singlehandedly stalemated the entirety of the cybermen with access to half of his brain
I love this scene. Hands down, one of my favourites with Matt as the 11th Doctor. Heck! The episode is one of my favourites when he was the 11th Doctor. So energetic as he flips in and out of a personality and such as he uses his body language to show one half he has no control over
The Doctor and Mr Clever in the Doctor's mind palace ;)
Can we just appreciate how he manages to switch from the doctor to the cyber mites on a dime
I like how a cyberman timelord is talked up all good, then we have the timeless child.
Thank god Chibnall's gone. Never have I seen such a dedicated effort to drive a series into the ground so hard by its creators than with Chibnall's tenure as the lead writer on Doctor Who
Can we take a moment to be impressed by Matt's ability to act like two different versions of the same person talking to each other in the same mind? So cool.
This Star Trek crossover episode was awesome. Interesting use of the Borg.
Perhaps. Let it be a more visual, more developed rip-off at that.
noluckst2 No. Let it be an American rip-off. That's what makes the Cybermen Cybermen. They're British.
Angelo Basco The borg is basically the american cousin of the cybermen.
Randomness Compressed and Incarated Except the Star Trek writers knew how to properly write the Borg. Marc Platt is the only person who I can think of who knows what he's doing.
noluckst2 Actually...no joke there is a comic crossover with Star Trek with the Borg and Cybermen.
Amazing acting!! I am astounded by how well played out this was! Matt Smith, you are gifted by God above!
Anyone realize that how by just entering the doctor's brain he made a cyberman sentient with emotions and a personality
Honestly, I thought it was really cute that he was thinking about Clara so much. Just that little extra flavor on top to all the hints that the Doctor was in love with Clara.
Plus, that probably saved his ass XD If he was thinking about anything else - especially anything important - "Mr. Clever" would've known about ALL of it before the mental block
That is one camp Cyberplanner.
Though the way Matt talks at 3:24 reminds me of Pertwee in a weird way.
MaddoxProductions1 he reminds me of another incarnation at 1:07 - I think Colin Baker? Interesting how when we are inside the Doctor's mind, different incarnations appear.
MaddoxProductions1
I feel so bad, look at it like this... at 0:37 it sounds like he's saying. " no! Stop it! I don't want to be...."
He knew what he was becoming and was terrified... just listen
Best acting ever
"I could call myself: MR CLEVER"
They should totally bring back Mr.clever as a Cyberman Villian somehow and have Matt Smith voice him for that episode
mr clever arguing
the doctor: getoutofmyheadgetoutofmyheadgetoutofmyhead
Best episode besides the finale in series 7.
I love when the Cyberplaner skips in and out of the Doctor and the mental Mini argument in his head, and the the argument on the outside.
“Stalemate!”
*ZIP*
Bit of a spoiler alert for season 9 episode 12
1:58 "Not even slightly human"
Well that delets the Doctor-hybrid theory...
+Rikeilan Wasn't the hybrid supposed to be the Doctor and Clara (maybe any companion) where they kept pushing each other further and further until the Doctor did something so stupid it would destroy the universe? Might be wrong on that but that's how I understood it
Pryoth Hm, could be. It was a confusing episode :/
Rikeilan Very true :p
+Rikeilan XD Yeah, speaking about that, has somebody seen the Classic series? Cause I've heard that the productors wanted the doctor to be half-human. But at the end of the seconds season, they gave up the idea. I can't remeber it clearly now, did they say it explicitly during the first season or it was just subtitled?
+Selene I do not know, I am sorry, I haven't watched the "old" episodes yet. In my opinion though, I believe it is better to have the Doctor be 100% pure Timelord. I think if he was half-human that would be so egoistic of us.
Obviously, the reason we don't see the War Doctor here is because they hadn't thought of him yet, but here's a more fun idea:
The 11th Doctor is the one who forgets, so he buried all memories of the Time War so deep in his mind the Cyber Planner didn'tknow where to look.
And because Mr Clever doesn't know about the War Doctor, then 11 can use regeneration as a threat. Pretty smart on the Doctor's half.
You can literally hear the fear in his voice
It's cool how in some way the Doctor outsmarted Mr. Clever from the beginning by letting him have just enough data on regeneration to threaten him but hid the fact he was on his last life without Mr. Clever actually suspecting anything
The thing with this was he would never let the cyberiad win because of his memories and love for his companions.
Matt’s acting here is just great, it’s like he actually has two completely different personalities.
2:40 FALSE, HE'S BLUFFING
Rule 1: the Doctor lies
Matt is SUCH an amazing actor -- with Mr. Clever, his entire body language and voice changes!!
I really like this scene. The acting is great, evil Doctor is great, the conflict is great, but most of all, the situation itself is great. The most interesting thing about the doctor (despite his various adventures and achievements) is his personality. And here it is controlled by the Cyberiad. But! It's complete replacement, it's integration. Mr Clever is as much the doctor as he can be while still acting for the goals of the Cyberiad. He still has a very similar personality. Which means that in the beginning of the scene, we see Mr Clever familiarizing himself with...himself. The thing he became. It's exquisitely paradoxical/dual for reasons i can't explain. And it is always great to see cool interesting characters who retain an interesting personality under mind control, rather than becoming either just puppets, or generic emotionless villains.
(Also, the enthusiasm i feel about the Doctor having a cool evil version is surprisingly similar to the enthusiasm i feel when female characters have a cool and sexy evil version, which may say new things about my heterosexuality)
I like to see them whipping back yelling at each other
The regeneration threat was just a bluff so that the cyberplanner would get out of his head. He didn't say that he would actually do it.
i love this episode. i like learning about time lord science and how they work and function. in this you learn about the kinds of control they have over their own brain and a little bit about how regeneration works.
2:29 notice how he said he "allows" him to learn about regeneration, so of course he can also hide the fact he can only regenerate 12 times
He also hid 2 of his Regenerations. One being the War Doctor and the other being the 10 Clone.
It's great how when he's The Doctor, you see the side of his face without the cybernetics but when he's Mr Clever, you see the other side.
2:49 He's lying of course. He knows that he has reached the end of his regeneration cycle and is just trying to bluff the cyber planner to abandon his body.
I like how you can easily tell who is talking in these scenes.
When Mr. Clever is talking, we see mostly the side with the cyberman upgrades and blue lights, and it's the opposite case for the Doctor.
Personally I think this is some of the most brilliant acting in the entire show, or from Matt at least. He clearly creates with his facial expression alone two personalities, you can tell which is supposed to be which just by looking at them, not to mention the movements! The eleventh doctor’s signature flourishes of the hand are even more dramatic for emphasis when Matt smith is acting as mr. Clever, even the tilt of his head is different.
I’m surprised it took me so long to realise that The Doctor changed between the mechanised and normal sides of his head as he switches with Mr Clever
What with everything that's been going on as of late regarding the gigaleak, I imagine people reacting like at 2:19 whenever something particularly big is found.
No War Doctor so Mr. Clever would think the Doctor still had a regeneration left, big brain
I love how emotional the leader of the emotionless Cybermen is.
- Relax, you will find it perfectly pleasant to be upgraded so that you won't have a concept of "pleasant" anymore :P
Yeah. Maybe. Who cares anyway?
Mr Clever is definitely a great villain name. Matt does great
at portraying a villain, this whole scene is pretty good he played
a villain in Morbius but it wasn’t quite the same as Mr Clever.
Mr clever reminds me of the joker in a way. Beautiful acting by Matt though 👏
Imagine being those 2 kids saying you'll be on an episode of doctor who. But instead you are told to stand and do nothing for hours
Just that crazy look on his face after he sits back up when the cyberman got in
Amazing acting by Matt Smith. Though I find it amusing how the cyber planner has a lot of emotion and personality in him when cybermen are emotionless
The Cybermen are pretty adept at imitating emotions, and sometimes I think they do feel pain. Also, as they had evolved by this point, it's possible they could see the benefits of certain emotions in their victims.
You, sir, make an excellent point.
"I'm gonna have to completely rework the neural interface"
Oh god, he's talking about deleting the Doctor's emotions.
The title of "Time Lord" has gotta be one of the most intimidating labels in the galaxy. This episode really missed points when the newly converted Doctor didn't call himself The Cyber Lord.
"The most efficient Cyber-Planner! Not a great name, is it? I could call myself... Mr Clever!"
You know, because that is sooooo much more catchy!
The children be looking like: wow you got the whole squad laughing. :|
Think about what this demonstrates about a Time Lord brain - The Doctor is mentally a match for the top level computing power of the Cybermen, a highly advanced group of them for that matter. ...Damn a Time Lord brain is clever, complex and fast.
kids: yay! we get to be in doctor who!
directors: just stand there and dont move plz
Stunning. Best Dr. Who clip I have ever seen. Groundbreaking...
This is a brilliant example of Matt Smith being an incredible actor!
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2:49 Rule 1: The Doctor lies
Nobody: “I’m glad that the Doctor thinks so highly of me.”