I Think Its Fixed, Honda VTR1000 Firestorm
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- after some investigating on youtube and vtr1000 forums i took advice on the best way to cure the stalling and poor starting issues. thanks to all who gave me advice and it looks like it works, everything done is explained in the video
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Had the same problem with my VTR. Took it to a garage a few weeks back, explained the problem and possible cause to the mechanic, so he did adjust the cam chain tension and balanced the carbs, though he did say he had never heard of such a cam chain problem. Now it runs sweet as, no stalling, no overheating & no backfiring from overrun
That's great news, I hadn't heard of it until someone pointed out the horrible noise it made trying to turn over when it was hot.
Glad it's sorted, another VTR lives 🤣❤️👍
It was me that suggested the cam chain tensioners and sent you over the filters. Glad you've got it sorted Phil. You'll have lots happy miles ahead!
Thank you so much mate, I didnt mention names because I never know if people are happy to have their names used. Let me know if its OK to give you a shout our👍
You were spot on mate, the bike is a totally different beast now.
I may need you on speed dial for technical help. Or perhaps you could start your own technical youtube channel 😉👍
@@wsmv always happy to help mate and glad you're enjoying the bike so much.
Just ordered a couple of these filters because of this video and this conversational thread... mine were looking pretty rough last time I changed out the air filter. Thanks guys!
Hi matt, I can see your comment in my vid about chain maintenance but it won't let me comment on it, probably an issue my end but I didn't want you to think I was ignoring it bud. 👍
Amazing how much bike you can get for the money in England. So glad the little issues have been sorted. I’m always impressed by your sound quality and perfect camera angle.
Thanks mate, its more luck than judgement 🤣
Very good vid. Like the info and to hear the happiness in your voice.
Thank you, it made me very happy 😃
That's great new about the changes you have done and it sounds lovely now specially you shorted out the tic over anyway you take care and ride safe TTFN
Thanks bud, she is a lovely ride now, totally different beast ❤👍
Awesome news that it’s sorted!! I thought I found my old zx6r for sale but it’s priced for summer 😢😢 keeping an eye as they was £800 cheaper in lockdown !!
That would be awesome if you got it back, I can understand the price going up a bit, all bike prices have been rising recently 👍
Pleased for you bro 😎 Satisfying to get to the bottom of these things 👍🏼
Cheers bud, l ready for the saddlebags ride now 👍
Ayup! Brilliant news! Nothing better than having the stress of a bike with problems gone! Now you can enjoy it and focus on the ride and enjoy the weather while it lasts! Take care and ride safe mate! 😁🙏
Thanks buddy, you too 😎👍
I'm glad to see the bike is doing well - the more I see it the more I like it 👍
Could be a second bike project for the channel 😉
I expect it feels like a different bike. Glad you got it sorted, stay safe bro.
It does mate, I feel so much more confident that it won't let me down now.
Its good to get to the bottom of these things - I too find the bike specific web forums a wealth of knowledge and help and oddly the Facebook groups full of people just asking "whats the biggest tyre you can fit" and " how do I get more power" - strange the difference really !
Haha, I know what you mean, thankfully the forum I joined is full of guys really enthusiastic about the bikes and are a wealth of knowledge.
P.s. what's the biggest rear tyre I can fit to my bike 🤣
This is something I'm guilty of most of the time - doing too many things at a time and then you're not quite sure what cured the problem - ideally doing it in steps would give you a clear answer, but if you're in it, you might as well do things you encounter as you go through it. Glad to see it's fine now. Love FireStorms, was hoping to get mine sorted but ended up needing too much, so will look for another and get one - when the right one shows up. Ride safe!
Thanks buddy, yeah pretty sure it was the overtightend cam chain tensioners. When I adjusted them it made such a difference.
Love riding the firestorm, does everything and does it really well too.
Hopefully you'll find a nice one mate 👍
Glad to know she's all good now!
Feels so much better 👍
Many a Japanese bikes' Achilles hill cam chains and tensioners. Another 👍for the biking community. Some wonderful souls out there brother.
Absolutely, the guy with all the info has actually commented in this thread, I'm really glad he's aware of the difference he's made ❤👍
That's great news, well done mate! 🔧
Cheers bud, she feels so much better now 👍
In 40 years of bike ownership, I've had quite a few, I reckon the vtr motor is the best and most enjoyable roadbike I've had.
I love the instant low down power of the storm.
There's no point chasing top end power with these engines, just remember to change up when your balls tingle🍒
🤣🤣 thanks I will remember that, you're right though, the monster had its peak power from 8000 but by then the firestorm has done its bit and wants to be in the next gear.
The vtr is just a beautiful bike to ride, and my balls are tingling just thinking about it 🤣👍
You know what mate? I think I have the same problem 😊 Bike cuts out occasionally when the revs drop and starts up with the same reluctance and funny noise (but only when it feels like it 😊) I have the manual CCTs also so gonna get that checked first. I noticed the advice previously about the regulator/rectifier and that was the first thing I changed on the bike when I got it (seems like the original regulator is a bit feeble on these). Thanks for the brilliant video ✔
You're welcome mate, I would get the chain tension checked. If it starts fine cold but stall amd struggles to turn over when hot it could well be the same thing. 👍
Let me know if you sort it 😎👍
Glad to hear it’s all be done, normally there is always a responsible fix to problems on the bikes of this age, built to last they were, should be sweet as a nut now 🤘
Absolutely mate, feels like a very different bike now 😎👍
Think I've missed a few episodes since the Ducati but that is a great looking and sounding bike. 👌
Thanks, yeah it's a stunning bike to ride now and I think I got it for an absolute bargain really.
Always a risk with older bikes but I am up for the challenge and think of it as a project now 👍
@@wsmv A mate in Saltash has an old TL1000 which I was lucky enough to have a go on. Great fun these big V twins although I do remember the VTR had a thirst as bad as my MT10
Thirsty isn't the word, recently got 70 miles out of the tank before the light came on 😮
@@wsmv 😲😲😲
Glad you got this fixed man! I cant remember if the last bike was giving issues when you swapped but thats a dreadful feeling of getting a new bike with some issues (just went through it myself)
The ducati was fine, I just wanted to reduce my outgoings while saving to move house, and its been quite nice to get my hands dirty again.
I've got loads to catch up on but are you having problems with the new harley? It's It's stunning bike.
Perhaps you could take it back to the seller, oh wait that would be awkward 🤣
@@wsmv I had a power cut out issue that I resolved. She’s running good now!
The next time I buy a 2nd hand motorcycle the first thing I'll do is change oil & filters etc. Its amazing what a good service can do. My bike takes so long to warm up I have to go the long way from work to get the oil hot.
During the winter its almost impossible to get the oil warm and it ends up building condensation and moisture sadly 🥺
You must be pleased it's sorted and done. Good news👍📺
Overjoyed mate, ready for the saddlebags ride now 😎👍
@@wsmv 👍
@@exeterrider we're down your neck of the woods tomorrow, so if you some idiot waving at you it might be me 🤣🤣
@@wsmv We don't want your sort of seaside people here Thankyou. We want to live in peace. ✌️ Hope I do see you, unlikely but I'll keep an eye out
@@exeterrider if you see a bright orange 🍊 electric corsa it's probably me 🤣
Considering your summer is only 2 weeks should be fine mate 👍😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣 Good point 🌧
Those little filters that go in the airbox are secondary filters, that as far as I understand vent directly to the carbs. No doubt if they become gummed up it could be a problem. I have just bought a VTR1000F and whilst the air filter is freely available I can't find these filters at all. Hope you can help.👍
I got some sent to me from a really helpful guy on the vtr Facebook forum, they are available from fowlers in Bristol who can send them out. If I can find a link I'll send it to you buddy 👍
Try this www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125190043143?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_roJPpVgT4a&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=kok4lzbDS92&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Ahh dude, that is great news, and brill that folk on the internet you'd not met before helped you out with the foam filters in the airbox too
Such a different experience that the usual Facebook crap ❤👍
@@wsmv Hahaha, I hear folk say this... I'd say they are all joining the wrong groups... but it seems I am in the minority, maybe I have gotten lucky, but the majority of groups I've joined have all been really awesome :-)
Are the timing chain tensioners hard to install? I know the basics about bikes I've been riding for 30 years but I've never done a timing chain is it hard to do?
It's not to hard to fit them, the front one can be a bit fiddly though, setting them up properly can be time consuming but basic settings without removing the cylinder head covers is pretty straigh forward.
Join the vtr forums and search posts for camchain tensioner adjustment. Plenty of people give great advice on how to do it. 👍
Any recommendations on carburetor cleaner ? you know the stuff you put in your gas tank
I genuinely don't mate, I have used Wynns in the past but it's all very similar regardless of which brand it is, the best advice is to make sure it goes into a fairly full tank otherwise it'll be too strong and possibly dry out the seals in the carb 👍
did you do the TPS mod? Makes a big difference to stalling and bogging down at low speed, I recently did mine while I was doing the valve clearances and its much better.
No I didn't mate, I had no idea there was one. What's involved in the mod, is it something I could do myself?
@@wsmv www.vtr1000.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=29429 , on the right side of the carb is a throttle position sensor, to frig emissions honda set it too high at 900ohms or more when it should be 500, need a security torx to unscrew it or cut the heads off, I used a dremel, cut through half the heads and they came out easy with pliers, you then move it to the right position and replace the screws. mine feels a lot better after and I don't seem to get the sort of subtle yoyo you get from the engine at low speeds where it feels like it wants to go faster than you're holding it.
I can also attest to CCT failure, mine went on my front cylinder last year and smashed all four valves, my own fault I was putting off doing it for far too long, had to replace them all, that was a learning experience having never cracked an engine open before. (edit: don't know if TH-cam allows imgur but new valves vs smashed i.imgur.com/sbqIbgc.jpg)
@@shawy83 brilliant thank you mate, next job sorted 👍🤣
Hi do you have any more information on the carb hose recall
Yes absolutely, the basics are the vent hoses that sit between the carbs create a depression under heavy braking due to the airbox position.
If you Google it the fix is really easy, slide them out of the frame and let them drop down over the engine.
Try this link see if it works www.vtr1000.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=2996
There great bikes i paid £850 for my 20yr old vtr with no mot and 53k on it.
And it doesnt look like a £850 bike.
Moted it, serviced it, fitted manual cam chain tensioners never had a problem with it been the best bike ive owned for the money and ive owed quite a few bikes over the yrs( zx12r ,zzr1100, zr7, fzr600,gsxr 750, ktm 640, bandit 600,Yzf 750)
doubt i, ll ever part with it.
Steve I totally get it, I've had suzukis, multiple yamahas, kawasakis and ducati.
This is my first honda and with the highest mileage, and I absolutely adore it. Yes things will go wrong and need fixing but that's part of owning a bike.
My plan is to strip it down through next winter and rebuild and close to factory as I can.
Thanks for watching mate, and I really appreciate the feedback 👍
You're right it is awesome I have had a lot of nice bikes in my days faster bikes but not much faster but none of them have been funnier than the vtr1000 I just love the way the power comes on funnest bike I've ever owned I don't think I'll ever get rid of it I just can't see a situation to where I would. These bikes feel a lot faster than they actually are they're not slow don't get me wrong but they feel like straight Rockets I had a CBR 954 that was bored out to 1300 cc shift injection cranker cam racing valve can't remember the name the list goes on it was a straight rocket nothing could even come close to me on that bike it was built from the ground up so that was my fastest bike by far and I'm telling you the VTR is just as fun like I said not as fast but just as fun because of the torque delivery I think you would have to own one to understand what I'm saying mine is a 2001 it just falls into the corners I would say it handles just as good as my CBR 600 RR which I've always thought those were the best handling bikes until I got this VTR I think handles just as good as the Double R it's crazy I would have never thought so but now I know so incredible machines they are
Sounds like you've found your 'forever ' bike mate 😁👍
Just picked up a VTR1000 myself. When I first picked it up, started up and ran great up until 7k rpm or so and then would stop accelerating. Figured it was a carb issue so picked up the bike and cleaned the carbs and put it all back together. Now it will go through all the rpms but only just now having the issue with dying out and pretty hard to get started. I'm thinking it sounds like the same issue you've had with the tensioners. Would you agree?
Very possibly mate, if it cuts out and then won't restart when hot it's definitely something I'd check, after about 30 min does ot then start OK?
I'd get the checked anyway, overtightened cam chains are almost as dangerous to the engine as loose ones.
Has it got manual tensioners fitted, if not then get them fitted as the automatic ones are known for failing and then it's game over.
Great bikes though and bulletproof if everything is adjusted properly. Just be careful of the speedo though, mine seems to go up really fast 🤣🤣
@@wsmv as it sits now I can't even make it half a mile down the road before it dies out. I checked and it does have the stock tensioners. However, when I first picked up the bike over the weekend it was not having this issue *sigh*. Feel a bit over my head here, I've only worked on 2 stroke dirt bikes before.
The only things that really go wrong are the tensioners, you need to get those changed or you're riding a ticking time bomb. And the rectifier which causes problems and damages the electrics and battery.
When it runs does it run well? If it does it won't be anything that is internal to the engine like valves or pistons.
Check the tank is venting OK, if it creates a vacuum in the tank it will stop the fuel flowing into the carbs. When it next stops, open the fuel cap and listen to if air rushes in. Then try to start it.
It maybe a problem with the pipe that goes to the tank that opens the fuel tap when the engine is running, if its split it won't be able to hold a vacuum long enough to keep filling the cards.
Hope that's a few pointers, anything else and you may need to get it looked at by a mechanic.
It sounds like a fuel issue to me but difficult to say without seeing and hearing it, good luck sorting in, let me know if you need more help, also the Facebook group is awesome to join and ask questions 👍
@@wsmv alright thanks matey I'll take another look at it sometime this week and see what I can gather with your information here. When it runs, it runs like a dream (unlike before). But now it won't even idle without some extra throttle and had it cut out like I said above while in the rpms. I agree it seems like a fuelling issue. I will put on the manual tensioners soon. Thanks for the advice 🙏🏼
Ended up trying to run it with the fuel lid open and it was working a lot better. Still rough idle but it is also 30° F outside so gonna try and take it for a spin tomorrow and get it nice and warm. For now I just disconnected the breather tube.
Which fuel additive do you use?
I used Wynns fuel system cleaner, not sure if any of them actually work but worth treating the system to a but of a clean. 👍
WestonSuperMotoVlog I'm using an STP one in my old Suzuki gs 550e I'm not sure if they work either! Definitely keeps the carbs clean. My bike can sometimes dither a bit at idle too, it used to run great on leaded petrol!! Good to see your managing to sort yours out.
Need to watch out with the new E10 petrol and the incoming E15, apparently the high methanol count doesn't play too well with older Japanese bikes especially on idle.
I try to search out E5 petrol if I can 👍
A manual cam chain tensioner is a bandaid for a known problem. Horrible.. Think about every chain and it's duty from your bicycle to a high performance engine. A static tensioner is by name a misnomer. It's a ham fisted attempt at a problem that may exist.
How about understanding what it actually does, realising it may be a weakness and adding fresh ( read real) tensioners at a service interval that makes sense. it's like saying OMG this bike needs an oil change sooner than I, me God, want to. Know what you are buying and don't put a wooden part into the engine. Honda has had BS engineering from time to time but most of their products (comparatively) have been sound. Wooden spokes anyone ? they don't rust.
🤣🤣 wooden spokes would make the ride softer too 🤣🤣
Yeah I agree thos does appear to ne one of hondas rare foul ups with the ACTC, and the manual tensioner is just a safety net rather than a perfect fix, at least if you keep on top the adjustment it avoids the fear of a high speed failure and a massive repair bill.
Other than that what an awesome bike the vtr is 😍👍