While the 1M has appreciated in value, I think now that the M2 is out, it'll start to decline. No real differences between the two cars other than styling. e92 on the other hand may start to increase due to its very sonorous N/A V8.
This is very deceiving. The track is so small, that the difference between all 3 cars shouldn't be that much. On a longer track you'd see bigger differences.
Yeah, according to the clocks the gaps are all 0.3 seconds. And, if this is the M4 competition pack then it is 444bhp and not 425 as he said in the video.
The M2 has a whole new back end and isn't faster on corners than the 1M. Also, the M4 isn't that light for it's size, so the M2 should have been lighter than it ended up been and let's not kid ourselves, the M2 is no bargain either
+Joe Achilles Love your channel Joe and was excited to watch your purchase of your black M2. Have you driven the M4 as well? If so, which would you choose for pure driving pleasure (no price consideration)? I ask because I sit here with an M2 on order (still @ 111 order status) and can't help but wonder if a 1-2 yr old M4 would be even more exciting to own. Thanks bud!
I would highly recommend you test drive one for yourself. I have an m4 and when given the opportunity to drive the m2 i was slightly underwhelmed. Everyone has different preferences on what they're after but i orefer my m4 as the suspension feels more firm where as the m2 felt soft. As its a smaller car though, I imagine some might find it more enjoyable. congrats on your order though, not many car out there like bmw m range for the money!
Steve, which time difference do you expect from such a short circuit. 0,3 s in a 45 s circuit means that on an average circuit twice as long, the difference would be more than half a second between the three cars. Anyway nice video!
They already did the M2 DCT in the video against the Focus RS. It ran a 46.7, which is slower than the times in this video (though different day, different conditions and different driver).
I noticed that too. I have an M4 and the difference in responsiveness between efficient and sport ist massive. Sport plus is even more direct but the difference to sport is less noticeable. I could imagine on a small and fiddly track like that one he didn't want the pedal to be oversensitive at lower positions? Sport and sport plus already give a lot of gas at lower throttle in comparison to efficient, which almost feels sluggish after driving around in sport for a while. I'm not a racing driver though, so what do I know. I'm sure he knows about those settings.
It isn't so relevant, because this comparison is about two door coupes. The reason i brought up the E46 M3 is because many journalists say that the 1M and M2 are approximately the same size with the E46.
@Julio Cruz Not on this track, mate. I do agree with OP that the e46 would have been a good additions considering the M2 is almost the exact same size and weight as the e46. The M3 CSL would have been the quickest here, no doubt.
Question time! Why would you drive the M4 in economical mode surely that would impact the lap times. I've had a 1M and done 40k miles from which I enjoyed every mile but the car got boring, I remapped mine which helped. But the main point no one seems to point across that my 1M was very dangerous going round bands over 140mph the car used to rock side to side due the the short wheel base making it unstable at high speeds, also very unpredictable when hanging the arse out. My new M3 as much more predictable driving sideways and stable at high speeds.
Lol and how many times do you drive around bends at over 140mph? Couldn't be happier with my 1M. it's quick enough for the road and fun at sensible speeds. Yeah it would probably start to feel ordinary as a daily, but as a weekend car it puts a huge smile on my face every time.
5:41 This guy really drove the M4 on Efficient mode, what a joke of a review. Not to mention 0.3 seconds on a 45 second track will widen quite a bit on a larger track.
It's not in efficient mode, do you know anything about BMW's? It's in DSC Off mode which is the only mode you should be using o a track, Sport and Sport+ mode are useless on the track because having a throttle where you get half of the pedal usage is stupid on a track (too twitchy is not a good thing on a track). It's useful on the road because you don't need to use the entire pedal travel to get 100% throttle but on a track you want the full pedal travel to modulate the throttle correctly.
Yes I do know a thing or two about BMW's because I own an M4 CP Ian. It's set to Efficient mode for throttle. I didn't mention the DCS or MDM mode so why even comment on it. The Sport+ throttle eliminates a lot of the lag from throttle response giving you a more aggressive and faster responding pedal out of the corners and yes a shorter pedal. Your analogy of the pedal usage is floored because half of that pedal usage is dead space waiting for the response from the anti-lag system. Yes efficient gives you a longer throttle and some people prefer that so they can modulate it better but if you've driven the M4(M4CP) on track you can easily modulate the throttle in sport+ which imo gives the better and faster response time from the throttle therefore faster lap times. Either way the comparison between these cars is floored. DCT vs Manual for a start...
No, the the suspension was set to sport plus, but the throttle was set to efficient! The car is much quicker in sport plus. Not sure if the transmission was set to the sportier setting...
@@EricfromQuebec I bet all that does is make more noise and match a given accelerator position to a higher throttle/boost level to make it feel faster in normal driving, flat out makes no difference one is making 100% power at 100% accelerator and the other at 75% accelerator but no more of it.
Is 25 seconds really that big of a difference though? I mean in a race it would be, but for a street car? Not to mention that your average driver would have difficulty discerning any difference at those performance levels.
Spot on. His conclusion of 'the less money you spend on your BMW M car, the better value you get' makes sense on a small, twisty track like the one he was driving round. With a few more straights and longer, faster bends, the M4's superior power and traction will beat the M2 comfortably.
the Nürnburgring has many highspeed sections and corners. Even way heavier cars perform quite well on that track. But try to drive that m4 on a twisty mountain road, it really feels like a big car there and I am not only talking about the weight.
M4 was the quickest however the gap would have been more realistic if the test was done with the engine in either Sport mode or Sport Plus. The dashboard shots confirm this test was done in Efficient mode on the M4. Why?
@@DjNikGnashers Traction off mode only speaks for traction and is switchable independent of the other settings. I own the M4 and the power difference between Efficient and Sports Plus Mode is extreme. M1 and M2 buttons are dependent on the custom settings only.
@@natecollins867 I own an OG M2, and my previous car was a tuned M140i. The driving modes for engine only affect the throttle map. In the lower modes the throttle basically isn't fully open until you press the accelerator all the way to the 'click' (which you go 'past' for launch). In sport and over, you are fully open throttle when the pedal is only halfway down (even spikier in sport+). For track driving, it's a lot more controllable to have comfort throttle as it's more progressive and not spikey like an on/off switch.
The presenter is lame, and the video editing is just smoke and mirrors. None of the footage is from the same laps, they are just clips chopped together. The timing is not even accurate if they are just going by when he says "start". Surprised the presenter didn't include the Porche...MACAN into the mix since he states that it is "pretty much the same car".
Why ? It's a tiny car and wouldn't be 'better' with a huge heavy V8 up front. More power isn't going to be any faster if you can't put the power down on the road.
Steve's maths are always off when he says the time differences. So either he needs some more time in elementary or there's some lap time manipulation going on behind the camera. I'd prefer to see the actual measuring devices.
Huh... seems to me that BMW knew you were pitting the M2 vs the M4, and since Motor Trend had the baby M car quicker than their more powerful M4, they gave Steve the latter equiped with a DCT AND the Competition Pack to ensure that the Manual M2 wouldn't beat it's time. Try again a DCT M2 vs DCT M4 (non comp pack) and then this time attack video will be fairer.
Not true, the M2 DCT was way slower than this one, and even the 1M actually. Because it is such a small track, you'd be better off with less weight than faster shifting. Plus they already had this M4 as a tester anyway.
The track condition was probably different... Only way to find out if the weight penalty is greater than the faster shifts is to get a manual and DCT equipped M2 at the same track and same time. Not really buying the less than 50 kg weight making the car slower when the gearshifts are way quicker for the car
@@miaudir8 He drove the M4 on the efficient mode, and the DCT works against the car on a tiny windy track like this. They nerfed the M4 quite a bit actually
Question why did u put the M4 engine mode in efficiency ? It limits the top end power delivery....I will agree that efficiency would be easier to keep from over steering but other than that I'm sure it should be atleast half a second faster minimum
Very difficult control in a track as this in Sport + mode. It is necessary to be a pilot. I am not saying that this guy isn't professional, I am just saying that to explore the car limits must be a professional driver. M4 is a DREAM!
In the video its driven in efficient mode!? Ive got the m4 and that truely is a terrible set up to have o track. the throttle response in sport plus is insane, efficient feels sluggish.
I didn't expect much difference between the cars on this circuit as the apex speeds of all 3 cars would be similar due to similar weight and layout. the difficulty in getting all the power down on a front engine rear drive car takes away the power advantage of the m4 on a small twisty circuit like this. on a larger circuit with longer straights and fast corners, the m4 will be way ahead.
Well then a Buick may be more suited to your taste than an ///M car. I will take a little frustration in traffic any day just to get the feeling of rowing my own gears through a back road, on the open highway or on a race track.
once again...not all the vehicles are MANUAL TRANSMISSION! If you are going to do a FAIR comparison you need to make sure all vehicles have the same transmission. (SMH/LOL).
LLandow is not a good circuit for cars like these I dont kno Y auto express keeps on using Llandow, Anglesey,Rockingham, a lot of other British tracks can be used but not Llandow which is best for small cars say FWD hot hatches, etc
I like the presenter and what he does. However, I find the comparisons ruined by the use of such a short and winding track. The times are almost always close and it tells you little about how the cars would do on a longer run where they have more time to spread out, along with a more varied track with a decent long straight. In the video he sounded surprised that the 1M was close to the M2, but in most of the comparisons the cars come in within a 45-47s range. Please find a track that better shows off the differences in the cars your are comparing. It is ruining your head-to-heads when your presenting is otherwise so good.
This video is very interesting! But the diferent betwen the laps dont say anything, only maybe you didnt Do the same !!! Anyway is a very good video, But why you didnt made a Drag Race between the 3 models ? Thanks
When the track is this short all you ppl out ther 0.100 is like a 1second on a real track this so short and not even comparable.. On a track like this even a 600cc bike would be able to beat a 1000cc bikes just so you get a feel of short tight tracks in UK everythoing can happen here..
steve sutcliffe. finest car reviewer there is. he sense the car, and describes it in a user language, on the other hand, the famed chris harris a joker funny wannabe is trapped in his own fame that I never understood....steve sutcliffe on the other hand, is the real deal without the uneccessary gibberish of harris that's trying to capture your interest and admiration....well it works for masses and always had, that's why he is in top gear, but that's why i don't even watch it.
@ 6:05 the M4 is in efficient mode,.. M4 is slow and doesn't sound good in efficient mode, it has to be in sportplus in track.. not fair. but its still quicker in efficient mode
are you kidding me. Why doesn't the M4 have a manual transmission. That's not fair to compare them with each other especially when all those vehicles come with a manual
Same tires, same transmission and then you have yourself a good video, and of course you're on a track so use some more aggressive throttle response ey, ;) #SportPlus
This is what happens on DSC Off mode, it stops the throttle being at 100% with only half the pedal movement. Sport and Sport+ mode are useless on a track, they remove halve the pedal travel making it impossible to properly modulate the throttle round corners.
Well it improves the performance as being twitchy is never a good thing on a track, also you can't modulate the throttle properly on Sport or Sport+ mode.
I completely disagree - Sport+ on the M3/4 drastically improves throttle response - not just the amt of pedal movement you need to elicit that response. It's night and day. He handicapped himself in the M4.
I believe the M2 in the Macan video was a manual as well. In the Focus RS video it was a DCT and ran a 46.7 (but again different day, conditions and driver).
They already tested the M2 with the DCT and it was slower on this particular track. Different day and driver which might make the difference but either way.
If the M4's engine power was dumbed down to match the M2's straight line performance, I reckon the lap times would be equal or the M2 would be a touch quicker. Take away the DCT and tire advantage the M4 probably has, and the M2 would be the clear winner. Especially for the price.
yes take away a turbo too while you're at it to really even it out... reality is its a small difference on a tiny circuit, which would widen quite a bit on a longer track.
same with mine, efficient mode is for crawling out of the cul de sac, i call it granny mode. once warmed up mine goes straight into sport + every time. makes a huge difference to throttle response. ive tested this on a track day at Bedford Autodrome. in efficient it was a fair few seconds a lap slower. it is easier to light up the rears coming out of corners in Sport + so that may be why he was in efficient as he also had TC fully off. the fastest track mode A-B ive found is Sport + and MDM. TC off on a track is for getting those "no drifting" flags waved at you!
I think the DCT alone makes quite a bit of difference on such a tight track with so many shifts. I wish you would have chosen a manual M4 as well.
Agreed
Pauses vid... Let me get my snacks ready
hahah same.
I made popcorn after reading your comment, thanks!
I was on my way out and had to put things on hold while I watched it.
I actually was having dinner while watching this video! I had put it in the 'watch later' list specifically so I could watch it while having dinner.
I would vote the 1M to be the most valuable in 10 years. They are all great cars, but the 1M is a limited production collector piece.
hydraulic steering!
i think it's the only "normal" car in recent history that has actually appreciated, remarkable
While the 1M has appreciated in value, I think now that the M2 is out, it'll start to decline. No real differences between the two cars other than styling. e92 on the other hand may start to increase due to its very sonorous N/A V8.
Wait for the Boxter and Cayman to appreciate now that the 'Subaru' powered 718 is out.
they might produce some limited sharper m2 version soon though
Why is the M4 only quicker by 3 10ths? Because you drove it in comfort mode Steve. Comfort mode!
Too funny 😂
Aren't the gaps between cars all the same Steve? Looks like .3 of a second to me.
This is very deceiving. The track is so small, that the difference between all 3 cars shouldn't be that much. On a longer track you'd see bigger differences.
+Jack Brand He said the gap between the 1M and M2 was closer than the M2 to M4. But in the final results it's .3 between each car.
Wyatt Foster Yes, i noticed that too. He must have misspoke. Surprised they didn't edit that anywhere in the film.
he also said when he finished with the M1 the gap was .2 secs. It was.3secs.
Yeah, according to the clocks the gaps are all 0.3 seconds. And, if this is the M4 competition pack then it is 444bhp and not 425 as he said in the video.
I want to se M235i ( M240I) vs M2!!!!! to know how BMW pretend to sell us that cars.
How on earth the way bigger M4 weights almost the same as the M2? That's messed up BMW
Its more expensive so they could use lighter more expensive materials
***** I think he meant the M2 should be much more lighter because its smaller.
The M2 has a whole new back end and isn't faster on corners than the 1M. Also, the M4 isn't that light for it's size, so the M2 should have been lighter than it ended up been and let's not kid ourselves, the M2 is no bargain either
The M4 is light for its size. Do you know how big it is? It's as big as the 4 door M3 sedan. It's wider and longer than alot of 2 door coupes.
devilzmantis Light for it's size, well a A380 is light for it's size as well. It's size is the issue for many people.
Mmmmmmm Yummy!
Will this change your decision to sell the M2?
Cars Life I really like the standard exhaust and sounds it makes, I'm more of a subtle guy :-)
My thoughts exactly. I would have all of them.
+Joe Achilles Love your channel Joe and was excited to watch your purchase of your black M2. Have you driven the M4 as well? If so, which would you choose for pure driving pleasure (no price consideration)? I ask because I sit here with an M2 on order (still @ 111 order status) and can't help but wonder if a 1-2 yr old M4 would be even more exciting to own. Thanks bud!
I would highly recommend you test drive one for yourself. I have an m4 and when given the opportunity to drive the m2 i was slightly underwhelmed. Everyone has different preferences on what they're after but i orefer my m4 as the suspension feels more firm where as the m2 felt soft. As its a smaller car though, I imagine some might find it more enjoyable. congrats on your order though, not many car out there like bmw m range for the money!
Why did you drive the M4 with the "Efficient" engine response???
Traction off mode 4:58
I dont care about which is faster... the M4s are more beautiful and sexier than any other Bmws...
Steve, which time difference do you expect from such a short circuit.
0,3 s in a 45 s circuit means that on an average circuit twice as long, the difference would be more than half a second between the three cars.
Anyway nice video!
Next time M4 DCT vs M2 DCT. Then it'll be a fair comparison.
no you dumbass, this will never be a fair comparison, it's a different class of vehicle
+ewt415 of course not, but any variables can and should always be reduced
They already did the M2 DCT in the video against the Focus RS. It ran a 46.7, which is slower than the times in this video (though different day, different conditions and different driver).
+ewt415 It's barely a different class. They're practically the same.
THAT's a video I'm interested in, thanks for the mention!
Why drive it in efficient mode? Why not drive it in Sport plus which sharpens engine response? Maybe would get a better time perhaps?
Softens the throttle response so that power delivery isn't so spikey. Actually makes it easier to control on the limit.
6:06, throttle response on efficient?
LOL Imagine in sport plus..
I noticed that too. I have an M4 and the difference in responsiveness between efficient and sport ist massive. Sport plus is even more direct but the difference to sport is less noticeable. I could imagine on a small and fiddly track like that one he didn't want the pedal to be oversensitive at lower positions? Sport and sport plus already give a lot of gas at lower throttle in comparison to efficient, which almost feels sluggish after driving around in sport for a while.
I'm not a racing driver though, so what do I know. I'm sure he knows about those settings.
+xcvxcv bro ud know better as an M4 driver than him, M4 takes a while getting used to..
And cold engine also?
xcvxcv I have an M4 aswell and the difference is noticeable especially when driving the car hard.
An E46 M3 would have made the comparison more interesting :D
Add the E39 M5
It isn't so relevant, because this comparison is about two door coupes. The reason i brought up the E46 M3 is because many journalists say that the 1M and M2 are approximately the same size with the E46.
@Julio Cruz Not on this track, mate. I do agree with OP that the e46 would have been a good additions considering the M2 is almost the exact same size and weight as the e46. The M3 CSL would have been the quickest here, no doubt.
+Mzn T but but but ///M!! Lol
Julio Cruz
:)) What the hell... bring it in.. let's blow some tyres!
Question time!
Why would you drive the M4 in economical mode surely that would impact the lap times.
I've had a 1M and done 40k miles from which I enjoyed every mile but the car got boring, I remapped mine which helped. But the main point no one seems to point across that my 1M was very dangerous going round bands over 140mph the car used to rock side to side due the the short wheel base making it unstable at high speeds, also very unpredictable when hanging the arse out. My new M3 as much more predictable driving sideways and stable at high speeds.
Lol and how many times do you drive around bends at over 140mph? Couldn't be happier with my 1M. it's quick enough for the road and fun at sensible speeds. Yeah it would probably start to feel ordinary as a daily, but as a weekend car it puts a huge smile on my face every time.
@@yetidh9 I go to autox more than the big track. The short wheelbase means it can turn better in the tight corners.
Traction off mode 4:58
Throttle mode is efficient while you are lap timing ?
m4 with manual would be more equal to compare... Manaul vs Manual :-)
Yes, it should have been M4 manual without competition pack. I think that M4 will be slower
5:41 This guy really drove the M4 on Efficient mode, what a joke of a review. Not to mention 0.3 seconds on a 45 second track will widen quite a bit on a larger track.
The M4 looks stunning.
M4 has 444hp cuz of comp pack.
he do it the race with efficient mode , this is not correct . He must to change to the SPORT PLUS mode
M4 is in efficient mode!! Eco lap? Lol It has sport+ for a reason!
It's not in efficient mode, do you know anything about BMW's? It's in DSC Off mode which is the only mode you should be using o a track, Sport and Sport+ mode are useless on the track because having a throttle where you get half of the pedal usage is stupid on a track (too twitchy is not a good thing on a track). It's useful on the road because you don't need to use the entire pedal travel to get 100% throttle but on a track you want the full pedal travel to modulate the throttle correctly.
Yes I do know a thing or two about BMW's because I own an M4 CP Ian. It's set to Efficient mode for throttle. I didn't mention the DCS or MDM mode so why even comment on it. The Sport+ throttle eliminates a lot of the lag from throttle response giving you a more aggressive and faster responding pedal out of the corners and yes a shorter pedal. Your analogy of the pedal usage is floored because half of that pedal usage is dead space waiting for the response from the anti-lag system. Yes efficient gives you a longer throttle and some people prefer that so they can modulate it better but if you've driven the M4(M4CP) on track you can easily modulate the throttle in sport+ which imo gives the better and faster response time from the throttle therefore faster lap times. Either way the comparison between these cars is floored. DCT vs Manual for a start...
All 3 handle differently. Track times only communicate a fraction of the difference.
The M4 would have had a lot better time if the engine was set to sport + mode
Kaveh Hedayatzadeh he is. Check 5:41 under the gear position indicator
No, the the suspension was set to sport plus, but the throttle was set to efficient! The car is much quicker in sport plus. Not sure if the transmission was set to the sportier setting...
@@EricfromQuebec I bet all that does is make more noise and match a given accelerator position to a higher throttle/boost level to make it feel faster in normal driving, flat out makes no difference one is making 100% power at 100% accelerator and the other at 75% accelerator but no more of it.
Take them to a proper track and the difference will be much bigger. M4 can lap the Nurburgring in 7:40-7:45, 1M can't go under 8:10.
Is 25 seconds really that big of a difference though? I mean in a race it would be, but for a street car? Not to mention that your average driver would have difficulty discerning any difference at those performance levels.
Spot on. His conclusion of 'the less money you spend on your BMW M car, the better value you get' makes sense on a small, twisty track like the one he was driving round. With a few more straights and longer, faster bends, the M4's superior power and traction will beat the M2 comfortably.
the Nürnburgring has many highspeed sections and corners. Even way heavier cars perform quite well on that track. But try to drive that m4 on a twisty mountain road, it really feels like a big car there and I am not only talking about the weight.
define "proper" track.
well all depends on the track characteristics and even car setups
M4 was the quickest however the gap would have been more realistic if the test was done with the engine in either Sport mode or Sport Plus. The dashboard shots confirm this test was done in Efficient mode on the M4. Why?
Traction off mode 4:58
@@DjNikGnashers Traction off mode only speaks for traction and is switchable independent of the other settings. I own the M4 and the power difference between Efficient and Sports Plus Mode is extreme. M1 and M2 buttons are dependent on the custom settings only.
@@natecollins867 I own an OG M2, and my previous car was a tuned M140i.
The driving modes for engine only affect the throttle map.
In the lower modes the throttle basically isn't fully open until you press the accelerator all the way to the 'click' (which you go 'past' for launch).
In sport and over, you are fully open throttle when the pedal is only halfway down (even spikier in sport+).
For track driving, it's a lot more controllable to have comfort throttle as it's more progressive and not spikey like an on/off switch.
The presenter is lame, and the video editing is just smoke and mirrors. None of the footage is from the same laps, they are just clips chopped together. The timing is not even accurate if they are just going by when he says "start".
Surprised the presenter didn't include the Porche...MACAN into the mix since he states that it is "pretty much the same car".
Me la suda tu opinión biende
I like M4 CP super machine
Why in gods name did he have the M4 drivetrain set in efficient??? No wonder people say they don't sound as nice. Valves are closed in efficient.
4:57 He's got it in efficient mode! Unfair.
Jovan Korica I
The 1M will always be my favourite BMW. I just wish it came with the 4.0L V8 from the E92 M3.
Why ?
It's a tiny car and wouldn't be 'better' with a huge heavy V8 up front. More power isn't going to be any faster if you can't put the power down on the road.
I like all BMW M's all AUDI RS's and all MERCEDES BENZ AMG's... just give me one of them!
Why was M4 in 'efficient' mode? (at 5:41)
I'd like to know what tires the 1M and M2 were equipped with? Maybe their small difference in laptimes comes to that? Impressive machines, all three.
The engine in the M4 was cold ?!
Steve's maths are always off when he says the time differences. So either he needs some more time in elementary or there's some lap time manipulation going on behind the camera. I'd prefer to see the actual measuring devices.
Huh... seems to me that BMW knew you were pitting the M2 vs the M4, and since Motor Trend had the baby M car quicker than their more powerful M4, they gave Steve the latter equiped with a DCT AND the Competition Pack to ensure that the Manual M2 wouldn't beat it's time. Try again a DCT M2 vs DCT M4 (non comp pack) and then this time attack video will be fairer.
Not true, the M2 DCT was way slower than this one, and even the 1M actually. Because it is such a small track, you'd be better off with less weight than faster shifting. Plus they already had this M4 as a tester anyway.
The track condition was probably different... Only way to find out if the weight penalty is greater than the faster shifts is to get a manual and DCT equipped M2 at the same track and same time. Not really buying the less than 50 kg weight making the car slower when the gearshifts are way quicker for the car
@@miaudir8 He drove the M4 on the efficient mode, and the DCT works against the car on a tiny windy track like this. They nerfed the M4 quite a bit actually
Sutcliff can make a track battle between an SUV and a bicycle and yet get more excitement than other journalist and hypercars.
";-)
Mmmmm .. the M4 IS much quicker than the M2/1M.. 3 tenths on a 46 sec lap is a world of difference.... That's 9 seconds on a 30 lap race...
Question why did u put the M4 engine mode in efficiency ? It limits the top end power delivery....I will agree that efficiency would be easier to keep from over steering but other than that I'm sure it should be atleast half a second faster minimum
I would take all of them!
Why is the m4 in efficient mode and not sport plus ?
Very difficult control in a track as this in Sport + mode. It is necessary to be a pilot. I am not saying that this guy isn't professional, I am just saying that to explore the car limits must be a professional driver. M4 is a DREAM!
The m4 CP had 450bhp not 425
444 actually but ye
it's 450bhp measured on the Dyno.
+devilzmantis I know my dad has a Austin yellow m4
Well read again the spec sheet beacause the M4 CP has 450 (probably more but that's what BMW declares)
In the video its driven in efficient mode!? Ive got the m4 and that truely is a terrible set up to have o track. the throttle response in sport plus is insane, efficient feels sluggish.
I didn't expect much difference between the cars on this circuit as the apex speeds of all 3 cars would be similar due to similar weight and layout. the difficulty in getting all the power down on a front engine rear drive car takes away the power advantage of the m4 on a small twisty circuit like this. on a larger circuit with longer straights and fast corners, the m4 will be way ahead.
why is sutcliffe against every single form of paddleshift transmission. They're so much better
Better for lap times, maybe. But most would argue that they are not as engaging which is what a street car is all about really.
+Alan Bowers but when you're sat in traffic constantly or just a nicr long ride out the autos are much nicer and more relaxing
Well then a Buick may be more suited to your taste than an ///M car. I will take a little frustration in traffic any day just to get the feeling of rowing my own gears through a back road, on the open highway or on a race track.
once again...not all the vehicles are MANUAL TRANSMISSION! If you are going to do a FAIR comparison you need to make sure all vehicles have the same transmission. (SMH/LOL).
Would be interesting to see 6sp MT M4 vs the other manual cars... particularly since the times are so close.
LLandow is not a good circuit for cars like these
I dont kno Y auto express keeps on using Llandow, Anglesey,Rockingham, a lot of other British tracks can be used but not Llandow which is best for small cars say FWD hot hatches, etc
I like the presenter and what he does. However, I find the comparisons ruined by the use of such a short and winding track. The times are almost always close and it tells you little about how the cars would do on a longer run where they have more time to spread out, along with a more varied track with a decent long straight. In the video he sounded surprised that the 1M was close to the M2, but in most of the comparisons the cars come in within a 45-47s range. Please find a track that better shows off the differences in the cars your are comparing. It is ruining your head-to-heads when your presenting is otherwise so good.
This video is very interesting! But the diferent betwen the laps dont say anything, only maybe you didnt Do the same !!! Anyway is a very good video, But why you didnt made a Drag Race between the 3 models ?
Thanks
When the track is this short all you ppl out ther 0.100 is like a 1second on a real track this so short and not even comparable.. On a track like this even a 600cc bike would be able to beat a 1000cc bikes just so you get a feel of short tight tracks in UK everythoing can happen here..
steve sutcliffe. finest car reviewer there is. he sense the car, and describes it in a user language, on the other hand, the famed chris harris a joker funny wannabe is trapped in his own fame that I never understood....steve sutcliffe on the other hand, is the real deal without the uneccessary gibberish of harris that's trying to capture your interest and admiration....well it works for masses and always had, that's why he is in top gear, but that's why i don't even watch it.
Got a 2015 M235i and in the real world i.e. the public road don't think there is much to separate them so agree with Mr Sutcliffe less is more..
@ 6:05 the M4 is in efficient mode,.. M4 is slow and doesn't sound good in efficient mode, it has to be in sportplus in track.. not fair. but its still quicker in efficient mode
Sorry, I was excited about this car but the interior turned me off completely. Same quality as 1996 Corolla.
You guys need to start using a proper track and not a go kart circuit
are you kidding me. Why doesn't the M4 have a manual transmission. That's not fair to compare them with each other especially when all those vehicles come with a manual
can somebody give a point of why they put m4's throttle response in efficient mode?
The numbers on the Speedometer are just hidious, they should've just kept the ones from older BMWs, those were really cool
No shock with theses times, track is very small and tight. Was never goin to be a bigg difference
That track is way too tight and small to notice a difference. Put them on the ring' and you'll see the real difference between them.
Same tires, same transmission and then you have yourself a good video, and of course you're on a track so use some more aggressive throttle response ey, ;) #SportPlus
bmws really arent about being fast but havin fun driving. i mean even an 316i is fun
Why have the M4 with the "DCT "gearbox makes no sense, it would of been more fair with all manuals in my opinion .
Am I the only one who thinks that if the M2 had a DCT it could have been faster? But less fun sadly
6:05 The powertrain is in efficient? Probably not the best mode for setting lap times?
All it does is adjust throttle sensitivity. Has 0 impact on performance.
This is what happens on DSC Off mode, it stops the throttle being at 100% with only half the pedal movement. Sport and Sport+ mode are useless on a track, they remove halve the pedal travel making it impossible to properly modulate the throttle round corners.
Well it improves the performance as being twitchy is never a good thing on a track, also you can't modulate the throttle properly on Sport or Sport+ mode.
I completely disagree - Sport+ on the M3/4 drastically improves throttle response - not just the amt of pedal movement you need to elicit that response. It's night and day. He handicapped himself in the M4.
For most of ppl ofc m4 is clear winner...but when u ask which car is most fun? Its the m2
Apart from getting the HP wrong for the CP M4 fantastic review. Thanks
6 years of R&D equals 3 tenths of a second. Wow, bet BMW are not pleased about that.
The M4 is with the DCt gearbox... Take a manual, and it will be beaten by the M2 !
Why was the M4 running in efficient mode? Another bollocks test
Steve, great video. Which one do you think drives the best? Which is the most fun? Cheers
hmmmm ever heard of carfection (used to be xcar)? same test 3 weeks ago lads
M4 all the way... if u have the money , dont even think twice
M4 may be the least collectable, but it's by far the best looking.
how can it be a good test with one of the cars being an automatic?
Agreed. I reckon the M2 would have been the quickest with the DCT.
I believe the M2 in the Macan video was a manual as well. In the Focus RS video it was a DCT and ran a 46.7 (but again different day, conditions and driver).
They already tested the M2 with the DCT and it was slower on this particular track. Different day and driver which might make the difference but either way.
Hi Autoexpress, is this 1M tested with Michelin PS2 or PSS? Thanks
They should not use laps where he describes the car to take the laptime..
i don't understand why the m2 sounds great and the m4 sounds like a lawnmower.....i don't understand bmw anymore
fuck off. M4 sounds awesome. must be a kid with M2?
If the M4's engine power was dumbed down to match the M2's straight line performance, I reckon the lap times would be equal or the M2 would be a touch quicker. Take away the DCT and tire advantage the M4 probably has, and the M2 would be the clear winner. Especially for the price.
yes take away a turbo too while you're at it to really even it out... reality is its a small difference on a tiny circuit, which would widen quite a bit on a longer track.
Which one of the three did you enjoy driving the most Steve?
Heya guys !! Catholic That was phenomeofl grant ..
M4 is 450BHP.. please get your facts correct!
I didn't know William Shatner did car reviews
I'm a bit confused as to why he had the m4's throttle in Efficient mode. My m4 feels like a 20d in that mode.
same with mine, efficient mode is for crawling out of the cul de sac, i call it granny mode. once warmed up mine goes straight into sport + every time. makes a huge difference to throttle response. ive tested this on a track day at Bedford Autodrome. in efficient it was a fair few seconds a lap slower. it is easier to light up the rears coming out of corners in Sport + so that may be why he was in efficient as he also had TC fully off. the fastest track mode A-B ive found is Sport + and MDM. TC off on a track is for getting those "no drifting" flags waved at you!
It would be fair if it was the bmw m2 competition with dct...
1M for investment would be a good choice
It's definitely .3 seconds between each car.
Why they dont make an bmw 2 series with 4 dours?
I love my 1M :-)
t1000eg me too!! Love mine 😁👍🏻... he didn’t have it in sports mode... look at 4:02 on the video... maybe could have taken them all..😆
M4 better looking and is better car!
M4 Competition has 444 horsepower, not 425.
Steve take care of your left elbow bro...
yaaaa the best episode was posted on my bday lol
Donde carajos uno encuentra un m2 con caja manual????
When are they gonna start using a proper circuit?
But a 1M is extremely expensive
Why is he running in efficient in the m4 lol
Just get an m235i with quaife lsd