Get your Triumph Speed Twin to FULL power!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Your bike comes from the factory, heavily restricted. Even the newest one that touts "more power". No matter how hard you twist the throttle, it never delivers more than 91% throttle...
I show you how to go in and change that, yourself. This is a common practice, not just on Triumphs, but almost every manufacturer creates restrictions for sound, emissions, or just to create a power profile that their marketing dept feels is best suited for their target audience.
And like most bikes today, you are leaving power on the table if you don't flash the ECU.
You need an Android phone, the TuneECU app and a correct Bluetooth Adapter:
App and instructions:
www.tuneecu.net/
BT Adapter:(price has gone up since I last purchased one)
amzn.to/3biNSbX
Link to the current map database, that will grow over time:
drive.google.c...
Watch!
Awesome description. Been wanting to do this to my speed twin and tiger xcx. Now it's much clearer to me.
Glad that it helped!
Hi mate. Great videos and kudos for making your tunes open source. Quick question if i may: which of your tunes would you recommend for a 2019 UK Speed Twin with an X-pipe installed (everything else is stock(at the moment!))?
Use this map, and ride it in Sport Mode. That's the one that I unrestricted and made the throttle a bit more aggressive and linear. Added back in the ignition timing they pulled to a still safe and conservative 36 degrees up top, reset the AFR targets to 13.2, the cooling fan will come on sooner, and added a bit of fuel to the typical lean areas for the X-Pipe...
drive.google.com/file/d/1VZxIXToB2ku4FPHyA3i4o63coLt1glYz/view?usp=drive_link
@@SquireSCA You're an absolute legend. Thanks!
most helpful video explaining what rain mode actually does.. thanks!
Such a great resource. Thanks for publishing this. I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on this tune, but what are the risks and probability that things would go south? Thanks!
Minimal. I mean, any time you flash an ECU, there is always a tiny risk that your phone locks up or something else goes wrong... Its very rare, but it could happen. If you want, I can make the tune for you, so all you have to do is flash it to the bike. Let me know what make, year, last 6 digits of your VIN and country, and whatever mods you have done to the bike, and I can put something together for you.
@@SquireSCA thanks. I'm currently on a '19 Speed Twin. VIN is 944042. Mods: CAT delete, Vance and Hines pipes, booster plug. Living in Germany at the moment, but the bike was purchased in Montana. I'm military so the euro restrictions don't really apply. Just looking for something similar to what you posted and unrestrict the throttle position in road and sport modes. Like you said, just trying to get the most of what I paid for. Thanks again.
@@MrCamachoA81 This one should work if you have a US model. It's got Sport mode unrestricted but I left Road alone.
drive.google.com/file/d/1f8KziZKQJF2TnAnxb9sKOAk-mMkpl4qZ/view?usp=sharing
@@MrCamachoA81 And get rid of the Booster plug if you use the map I sent.
@@SquireSCA, would you also be willing to provide a map for the tune of Road mode as well? Thanks again!!
Great explanation, thanks. I've got a 2020 T120, I wonder how the figures compare to the Speed Twin?
I will pull your map and look at the tables later on this evening. What country and last 6 digits of the VIN? Want to make sure I pull up the correct base map for your bike.
@@SquireSCA I'm in the U.S, last 4 are AB3101. My guess is they've really neutered it given that the Speed Twin and Thruxton are more performance targeted. I really appreciate you looking it up, thx.
@@scottroberts4551 Let me grab my tablet and look it up. The 1200 motor comes in two flavors... The Speed Twin and Thruxton have the High Power motor and the Bobber has the High Torque. Not sure which one you have.
@@SquireSCA the T120 is the high torque.
@@scottroberts4551 Yeah, I just pulled the map, no real restrictions. It gives you 100% until 6500rpm and then tapers down to 84%. Being that it redlines at only 7k and peak power is just below 6500rpm, I can't imagine that there is any gains to be had there. The HT motor has a different cam that increases bottom and midrange torque at the expense of top end HP.
Great info! Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Dave I wonder if this applies to the Street Twin as well??? How much are they *throttling down that 900 engine at full throttle twist?
I can look if you let me know the country, year and last 6 digits of the VIN
@@SquireSCA Hell yeah.... That would be badass Dave. Im in Texas. 2019 Street Twin. Last 6 of the VIN are 924922.
Ok, here is map to play with. Little more fuel in case you do slipons, but I also tweaked ignition timing, made Road mode more aggressive, lowered AFR targets to 13.5, and the cooling fan will come on a bit sooner, which will help in TX. Left rev limiter alone. Should make the bike a little cooler, and feel more responsive.
drive.google.com/file/d/14YYEHyaXKvtSRn8aljS4_CryAYqfAPOK/view?usp=share_link
@@SquireSCA lol thanks man. I got the bike Jan. 7 and its been like 70deg here until this week and now im irritated I havent ridden all week. Texas weather is such BS. Im certain summer will be ridiculous so kicking the fan on a bit earlier will def be helpful. And for the ref limit, I have yet to hit it lmao so I doubt ill need a higher limit. The torque on this bike is really low and I wont often be ringing it out, if at all. Really appreciate it Dave. Will report back once Ive had a chance to play with it.
hey Dave... 10,000 miles on the Street Twin now. I finally picked up an Android device, OBDLinkLX and TuneECU. I loaded the map you tweaked for me and have been analyzing it. So, the factory AFR map has AFR at 14.50 in almost all the tables and you dropped that to 13.50 in the file you sent me. Im pondering what exactly this is accomplishing.... if we are decreasing the AFR, this is making the mixture more rich correct? This would make the engine slightly cooler but would it actually increase performance? I know theres a balance there Im just curious what your thought process is in lowering that AFR?@@SquireSCA
Hey Dave. quick question. I have a 2023 speed twin. I got the app and did everything you suggested. before I program it to my bike. any recommendations on modifying F1 F2 due to the fact that I removed the slip on mufflers ( I like the "drag pipe" look) thanks.
You don't have to edit the F tables... Go to F1 and slide to the LEFT of that screen to access the trim tables. There should be all 0's... You can modify that screen, and whatever you put in those cells will be adding or subtracting that number as a percentage... So 5 would add 5% to whatever is in the F tables. -5 would subtract 5%, and so on... If you have the stock airbox and CAT in place, just add 5% in the 0% throttle column up to 1,300rpm, and then all the way to 5,000rpm and 10% throttle. That's your cruise range that is normally kinda lean, so add a bit of fuel there and see how it feels.
Thanks for the video, fantastic stuff... In the video description, you have a link for 31127 US and 31126 UK maps, can you tell me, what is the difference between the two, and why cant I see them in the Google Drive shared maps folder? Thanks again.
Thank you for catching that, I may have moved the folder. 31127 is us and Canada, 31126 is all other countries and UK.
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1oAT8w0GjTN8s35NiHmM5koJBVrgIT9RZ
@@SquireSCA I will certainly be giving this a go. Ive had my bike 6 months now and have mentioned to people that when really going for it, as the revs rise and the speed increases, I feel the power tapering off, I knew something was going on, I can feel it!! ... Do you recommend the map with the fuel tweaks over the map without the fuel tweaks?
@@mitchsmith71 I am using this one currently: "2022 Speed Twin Aug 12 test Map Unrestricted".
On my stock bike with the snorkel and muffler baffles removed, it feels great so far. Will be interesting to get it on the dyno possibly next week, and see how close my butt-dyno got it...
Great Content Subbed ! Is their a possibility to do it with a Cable OBD USB Link and a Laptop ? Thanks a lot
Only on much older bikes. Anything in the past 5 or 6 years sea the phone app.
@@SquireSCA thx for your response
Hey SquireSCA, do you remove the OBD link before running the bike for the stated 15 minutes? Thanks
You can, but you don't have to.
@Rick Turner Dude, you entering the rev range higher up, is offset by the fact that your bike was pulling LESS in that upper rev range. If you want to put it to the test, lets play. 🙂
I am doing another track day at Road Atlanta on Sat, Oct 8 through N2 Track days. I am bringing the ZX14R, but I can bring the Speed Twin as well, and we can put your theory to the test in a little friendly wager? Might make for some good footage for the channel.
What say you?
Great video and tutorial. Can I download and save the factory map with ECUTune and ODBLink LX? If I can do that I can use the Emulator on my PC, edit the map and then upload a copy to the bike with my Android phone.
No, you cannot "pull" your map from the bike into TuneECU, you can only push it TO the bike. However, so long as your model is supported, the app will be able to get the stock file from Triumph, that you can then open and tweak and use, or, use in stock form to put your bike "back to stock"...
@@SquireSCA What do you mean by "get the stock file from Triumph"?
@@garymitchem6740 TuneECU has a database of the latest official files from Triumph... When you select Map, Open Map, and click on "Download", it connects to a server and allows you to find and select the latest map for your bike.
@@SquireSCA ok will give it a try tomorrow. I have a UK spec 2022 Speed Twin.
What mods have you done to the bike?
To what folder on the android device (ie. phone) do you copy the completed map that is created on the computer?
If you are doing it on the computer like I am, save it wherever, and then email it to yourself or copy it to Google Drive so you can get it and download it to your Android device.
I went to do this on my 2020 Speed Twin but there were no restrictions on my map. I seen it was the second map loaded on my ecu dated 07/20. Does this sound right for pre 21 ecus? I did see the post 2021 maps have this restriction.
The 2020 isn't restricted that much, not like the 2021+ model...
Hey would the obd link in the description work for my 2020 street triple rs? I still have the whole bike stock performance wise (saving for full exhaust) so I'm hoping that this is a good first step beforehand to just have and change redline and would the rs need any tables changed for the sport map? Also how would I differentiate between the sport mode map and track mode map if so? Thanks for any and all help
Yes, the same adapter works on both bikes. As far as restrictions, the Street RS really doesn't have any. The R is heavily restricted and you can use my method to unlock an R to deliver RS power levels... Yours is already unlocked in that regard.
As far as Sport vs Track... They both use the same engine mode. There is only Rain, Road and Sport. Track mode uses Sport engine mode, but relaxed Traction control and ABS.
@@SquireSCA understand so I'll temper my expectations for some magic cheap power for now. Lol as far as this helping me down the line with a full system, I'd definitely still want it, right?
Yes, if you decide to go with a full, quality exhaust, you are gonna want to tune the bike on a dyno, or risk damage to the motor. But, you will get 125-130hp at the wheel if your tuner knows what he/she is doing...
If you go that route, I made a video all about it, here:
th-cam.com/video/uRVFGshdZQo/w-d-xo.html
Since the Thruxton has 105 PS isn't it possible they just used the same engine and detuned it this way to 100 PS? The full throttle percentage makes sense.
I just opened up both the Thruxton RS and the Speed Twin maps in Tune ECU, and that is EXACTLY what they did. The Thruxton ETV tables have higher values in them, and at 100% throttle, they have 100's in them instead of 90.7.... It still tapers off a bit up top, but even the tapered off numbers are 10% higher than the Speed Twin's... So putting 100's all the way up on both bikes, should make them the same, unless the Thruxton has a different airbox or something else. The fuel and ignition tables look very close...
@@SquireSCA Cool, so that means the Scrambler 1200 is probably also detuned?
@@pjansen2010 Weirdly, that one is not. It has 100 in the last two columns in all 4 engine modes, all the way to redline. Weird!
How high can you make the rev limit?
Leave it stock. The valve train isn't robust enough to go higher, IMHO.
I have the new speed twin and ecu tune but haven't messed with any settings, yet :) I can't stand the on off throttle it has compared to my other bikes and would love to get rid of the low throttle switch feel.
I removed the cats and you get a much more smooth feeling
There really isn't a setting in there to disable the fuel cut... I don't find it that choppy. It's a big twin with lots of torque, I am used to it. This bike makes less than half the power of my other bike, literally... so it doesn't bother me... Still feels tame by comparison.
@@henkbokhove What cat delete did you install?
@@SquireSCASame here, my ZX14R made 201. I now wonder if it's the pure gas I'm running and maybe should try something else.
@@ohdirtracer I have a free spirit x-pipe installed, it replaces the 3 cats.
the engine runs much smoother en is less restricted.
the other thing i did is a throttle spacer for a more direct feel of the throttle .
the next thing would be the ecu tuning and a test on a dyno to see wat it al has done 🙂
Guess the thing is not the rev about the speed twin, the limiting factor seems to be the rubber (160/60/17) you got and the wonky suspension. The engine ofc is underwhelmed by what one could ask her for. It's a damn 1200. :) I know that Triumph nerfed the 900 twin by a play-it-safe camshaft, the engine atself is capable to do more but they wanted to sell more 1200, that would have been obsolete else :)
160 is adequate with the right tire. It came with Metzler Racetec RR's which are fantastic...
This is beyond my abilities...
Can I make appointment with you to do these changes?
Also, can these changes be done to my friend's '19 T-120 Bonneville?...
Approximate cost IF you were to tackle it?
@@gp92510 I don't do this for other people, I just share the knowledge. If you tell me what year, make and model you have and the last 6 digits of the VIN, or, you tell me what your base map number is, I can pull the map, open it up, remove the restrictions and email you the file. But you will have to flash it to the ECU yourself.
Is this any different than what DNK Tuneworks does?
No, Danielle uses the same software. The map she sends you is a TuneECU map.
I have a question, do you have an idea what it does to the engine when you set it to 100%?
It simply lets the motor operate as it was designed to. On older bikes, there was a physical cable from the throttle to the throttlebodies. When you pulled to 100%, they opened all the way. Now its done in software. When you put 100 in there, it makes it more like the older bikes, where when you ask for 100%, it has to deliver 100%.
This isn't unique to Triumphs, most bikes with ride by wire do this, and that is why everyone gets their ECU flashed these days. You can tune all day with a power commander, but you can't get rid of those restrictions without flashing the ECU.
@@SquireSCA I understand that, thanks.
I meant, can it do any harm, but I think you answered the question to.
@@henkbokhove Nope, it won't do any harm. You aren't advancing ignition or doing anything to put the motor in a dangerous state. All you are doing is telling the UCU to stop limiting power. We have the same motor that the Thruxton has. But the Thruxton has a bit more peak power. The reason is that our bike is held back, while the Thruxton is not.
Same with the Street Triple R and RS. The RS has higher peak power. That's because the R has a limiter in place like the Speed Twin. With the case of the R, it only delivers 100% power until 6500rpm, and then tapers down to 81% from there to the 12,200rpm redline...
Triumph took the same motor, with the same tune, but restricted one in order to create two different peak power numbers at two different price points. But you can restore an R to the full RS power profile, the same way as the the Speed Twin and others.
It's cheaper for companies to produce one motor for different models, and then create different power profiles in software. Far cheaper than building different motors for each product...
Hi I’m thinking of buying a rocket for my cruiser do you think that would extend my rev limit and full throttle it I want 170 mph cruiser
No, you don't. lol
Anything over 140 on a bike without a fairing, is not fun. It's downright UNfun... Not to mention stability at those speeds. My guess is it would. be downright dangerous... The Rocket 3 doesn't need anything, it's got so much power as it is...
@@SquireSCA no really I took demo out on bike week I hit 155 quickly and very very stable was hopping to get more really very stable and wind was not terrible thay make little bigger windshield
@@albertschneider5978 Well, keep in mind the speedo error. For example, the 2021 R1 that I had, was 6% high from the factory. So 155 on the dash, meant 146 actual...
Naked bikes just aren't made for high speed stuff. Even if they can do it, it's probably not fun, and you rarely do it anyway... My Street Triple RS was horrible over 140, but I only hit those speeds on the track...
@@SquireSCA ok thanks for your input but in till you ride one you don’t understand I would not be asking for more if it was incapable also would love to know if it’s getting full throttle 👍
@@albertschneider5978 I looked up ETV3 on the new Rocket, and at no point is it delivering full power. In fact, it never gives you more than 76%. So there is a ton of power locked away in there, waiting to be unleashed.
That said, it might make it dangerous to do so... They held it back that much, for a reason. So if you decide to play around with it, be careful or you might end up in a tree...
Now if you’d just roll over to Oklahoma and flash mine.
It really is pretty straight forward, only takes about 20 min.
@@SquireSCA is there a forum that shares flashes? Use to do that with Mustang and EvoX
@@dcasandman I mean, I am sharing any that I make or come across...
Dang does this work on the newer ones 2021 2022 Speed Twins?
Yes it does. It was the first thing I did when my 2022 Speed Twin was delivered.
@@SquireSCA Nice does the trottle rework somewhat give error codes or blinking dash lights?^^ I´ll get it brandnew and dont want my warranty to go away.
Need to compete with my brothers Street Triple RS now ;)
@@DrHakennase Any time you flash the ECU, you risk voiding the warranty. Also, it won't make your bike compete with a Street Triple RS. His bike is much lighter, makes more power, handles better, etc... They are two different class of bikes.
Just turn the TC off completely. I don't understand the need for restricted throttle response/max power on a bike with "only" 100 horsepower anyway.
I agree with the throttle restrictions, there is no need for that. But traction doesn't limit power. You get max power with traction on. It just ensures that your power doesn't exceed your grip, because at that point, you are losing acceleration anyway...
Hey SquireSCA, I noticed in your video you have both far right columns at 100 and then later you have only far single right column at 100, Which map did you use? Thanks
I used 31127 for mine and I went with both right columns set to 100
@@SquireSCA Thank you for the fast reply.
Enjoy your new Speed Twin
@@donjingle4059 I have a follow up video to this, a little more in detail, uploading now. Might answer some of the questions I keep getting.
@@SquireSCA Thanks, I did get my 2022 Speed Twin tuned as per your video and I have to say it makes 1 hell of a difference. I noticed that I don't need to twist my wrist nearly as much now. It also reminds me of back in the day when we got to hear the 4 barrel on a V8 kick in with just a stomp of the foot. Nothing like a cable to get the job done. Now thanks to your video I get to enjoy that sound on my motorcycle... All the way to redline.. Thanks again
@@donjingle4059 Glad it helped! I also found that in that area that they restricted with the throttle tables, they also pulled about 3.5 degrees of timing. Expect a video to show that mod, I am flashing it and testing it now. :-)
Looking to do the same to a thunder bird storm 2014 do you know anyone who’ve done it successfully,if yes could you put me in touch
Thanks
Clive
Is that bike ride by wire, or a traditional cable throttle?
@@SquireSCA throttle cable’s fuel injection
Yeah, so you can tune it, but there won't be any of these crazy throttle restrictions in place, because those are done in the ride by wire tables, which you don't have.
@@SquireSCA ok I’ll see wot I can do thanks for getting back to me.👍
How do i do this on my speed twin?
Well... the video shows you how to create the unrestricted map for your bike, and I have other videos showing how to use TuneECU to flash your bike's ECU with the new map.
Hate all this new modes trend. Learn to use throttle instead.
I mean, MotoGP bikes have ride modes, engine maps, traction control maps, etc... Nobody ever accused Rossi of not knowing how to ride.
These electronic systems are better and faster than anyone that will ever read this... lol