2015 BMW R1200RT Review
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- I've always fancied trying one of these "full dress tourers" and the big BMW R1200RT does not disappoint. This is my first impressions type review of the mighty boxer powered beast....
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I recently picked up a 2017 R1200 RT LE with 40k miles on it. Impeccable condition with full BMW history. Rides like a dream for such a large bike handles and stops well too. I found this “older” review very useful Andy thanks.
So glad You got to ride one and review it, I have had one since October, but coming from a Pan, don't have a problem filtering, especially with the Panniers Off! Love it! Keep the Vids coming! Helps while away the winter months!
+DAVE BAGLEE Cheers Dave - yes I'm sure filtering is just a matter of familiarity with the bike, sure is a lovely machine. Thanks for stopping by - all the best - TMF
Hi TMF and all RT/BMW Boxer fans. As my handle will tell you I'm a big RT fan. Had mine 4 years now, it's a 2010 with 60,000 miles on it now. Been around Europe a couple of times on it and numerous UK trips. I've done the sports bikes and sports tourers but once I got this I never used my other bikes - so sold 'em and just have this now. It really does do it all. Here is a list of what impresses me about it:
The Engine - as all 1200 boxer riders know, the torque is just awesome, pulls from any speed in any gear with a cheerful "ok Dude, lets go then" kind of attitude, and then it'll slow you down too in the intermediate gears if your hassling sports bike riders for a bit of fun, by just rolling off. I had a great blast with a Triumph 675 rider last year through some real twists close to the Dolomites. He was hanging off on all the corners, with hard accels and heavy braking, while I just maintained my distance, 2nd and 3rd gears, very little braking and feeling BAD - inspired by some Foo Fighters on the Audio system and the thrill of the chase. This leads me on to.....
The Handling - Vice-less (is that a word?) is what I call it, it just stays so planted at any speed and lean angle, never shakes its head/feels like there is a hinge in the middle/falls into corners or any of those little confidence zapping characteristics of so many bikes. That said much of this can be down to poor suspension settings (how many leave it as they bought it??) and the number one for poor handling - Tyre Pressures!! - always check and set 'em before any ride
The Luggage - takes soooo much stuff and with the liner bags so easy at the hotel - and never leaked yet!
The Screen - just great, set it to blast your visor clear in the rain, cosset you in a calm bubble or drop it a bit when your getting a wiggle on!
The Seat - best I've ridden on bar none! I did add the comfort seat, not for extra comfort, standard was fine, but it is just a little lower and I'm a 30" inside leg so appreciate that little extra foot planting when paddling around with "she who can't sit still"on the back!
The Presence! I wear a hi-viz bib (NOT a Bloody POLITE one I hasten to add - a step too far IMHO) when commuting, and on the traffic jammed dual carriage way section, the traffic just seems to part for me - Marvellous!!
The only real downside is the finish, whilst most of it is ok, you do have to keep on top of it to keep it looking good. I've tried many products and methods and the easiest and best for me seems to be wet the bike down/spray on muc-off on a small area - say 1/2 of the wheel/agitate with a 2" paint brush/rinse off with low pressure water from the garden hose.
So next bike will surely be a water-cooled RT, daren't try one yet, won't be able to leave the show room without signing up!
TMF love your videos, keep up the good work my friend. You make me feel to dig out my old go-pro and post some more - doubt they'll be as good as yours though! Hope our paths cross someday. Cheers mate - Dude
Thanks for the kind comments - much appreciated! All the best - TMF
Just purchased a R1200RT today. Fantastic machine, and watching this review before hand pretty much sold it to me!
Thanks for a great review.
Josh
Congratulations, great choice....lovely bike (but you knew that)....
Lovely bike indeed! Cant wait to get the tours planned
Great review but width for filtering is all in your head. The GS with expanded vario panniers and Adventurer is actually wider than the RT and the RT is more stable at slow speed so agreed its not the easiest bike to filter with but its not such a big issue when compared to a GS. I know as I have both models. Very informative review however - keep up the good work.
Thank you David - sorry I took so long to spot your comment!
David Meadows so I’m not crazy having a 2014 RT and also want to add the new GS ADV to the stable. Are they that different or I’m I wasting my money???
Also the thing about riding with a pillion is non-existent. It's same as a Pan more or less in my experience, appreciate the caveat about it not being a familiar bike - love the reviews btw
Purchased a new 2017 RT in April, trading in my 2012 K13S and absolutely love it. Covers the vast distances down under with ease and comfort. Loved your review and agree with all your findings. I use a Bluetooth headset for listening to music and GPS prompts and don’t find it a distraction. I really am enjoying you channel, very informative thank you.
Good stuff Peter - glad we concur! Lovely bike that....
I have a R1150RT and use it as my daily. You have to pick and choose when it comes to filtering. For my daily commute I've taken the panniers off and just run with the top box, which has made it a lot easier.
Great review mate.. this one’s definitely in my wish list
TheMissendenFlyer thanks for your Reviews, I've just subscribed and have enjoyed every review I've seen so far! I'm located in Nova Scotia and planning to purchase a R1200RT this spring. Looks like the perfect bike for doing some long distance trips in Canada and the US. I was planning on a GS, but the wife wasn't as eager on that choice. One test ride had both her and myself convinced that the RT is the best choice for us. Keep up the good work!
+Renier van Aardt Thanks Renier - yes lovely bike the RT, I'm sure you've made the right choice - thanks for the kind words, glad you like my videos and welcome along!
As usual, best bike reviews - and wittiest - come from the UK! Thx
Very kind of you to say so Alexis - thanks for stopping by, all the best - TMF
Having owned both a 14 GS and an 18 RT, I loved both, They ride different. The rt is more stable when coming to a stop. The GS feels more planted, on city streets at slower speeds. If you like to go fast the rt is way better. I had bmw top boxes on both too, I liked both of them but the one touch locking is nice. I changed my own tires on the gs, but the rt is still on the original pr4s I don`t want to scratch my wheels up a least the first time.
Great review of a superb bike .It is a heavy bike when doing slow manouvering but once the speed increases the weight disappears and is a brilliant handling bike for a large touring machine .Have had my bike since 2008 and love the bike for all the touring trips we have done on it .You can take everything plus the kitchen sink on it too in the luggage !
+Caterpillar Case Thanks for the kind words CC - I agree it is a superb machine...definitely on my "look closely" list when I decide it's time to swap out the GS....thanks for stopping by, all the best - TMF
I am absolutely in awe of the "Starship Enterprise". lol
I saw one on the way to work a couple of months ago and, it definitely has presence to say the least.
An informative review and great camera positioning with a good walk around. Keep up the good work buddy!!
Thank you....will do -TMF
Great review, exactly my feelings. I have a r1200rt from 2008 still air cooled and not so fancy dashboard. However, I am glad to see they kept all the feeling/“character” of the bike in the new versions, everything you described applies to all models so far at least from 2005. Maybe one day I upgrade to newer model. Cheers
Why upgrade if you’re happy with what you have?
Thanks for compiling your very interesting video and appraisal of the BMW R1200 RT, you have helped me make up my mind in purchasing my new steed.
Glad I could help!
Great review. I too struggled with the GS vs RT question having just come from a Honda ST machine. In the end I opted for a GS which I haven't regret. During the test ride my wife asked "the RT is a beautiful bike but which one would you feel better about dropping!" She rides a 700GS. No bias there!! I predict I will eventually end up on an RT but not for the foreseeable future. Love the ruggedness of the GS! The perfect all around machine.
+justlooking703 Thanks justlooking703 I thought the RT was a lovely bike to ride but you certainly couldn't call it cool looking, where as the GS (In my view) does have something about it despite it apparently being an old mans bike....and as you say, possibly the perfect true all rounder. Thanks for watching - TMF
Once again an excellent video - makes me miss home! Many Thanks! Come ride SC!
+Dean Nicholas Would love to Dean, see you there! (I wish!!)
Your review is one of the best I have seen of this bike. Your views on the rt1200rt strikes me as being quite honest and btw totally in Line with my own. Maybe it˚s time to give the old war bird some peace and Sunday-drives only (K100RT, July 1986), and finally pull the trigger on one of these new boxers for my own retirement. Best wishes and take care from an old Danish warrior/geezer, Tino :-)
Very nice, what a beast that would be to tour on. The radio killed me, I'm glad you put that in the video haha.
+Flibblejib Yes what a bizarre idea eh? There comes a point where what you really need.....is a car!
Your video was one of the reasons I decided to get an RT - I picked up my '17 last Saturday. I agree - sublime! Thanks!
Ah good man, congratulations on a lovely bike!
Congratulations from me too. It really is a fabulous bike and it's as quick as any sane person ever needs to be on the road. Have a great 2017!
Great review, as always TMF. Cheers
Well thanks for the review I agreed with all your comments about the RT because I bought one last May. I have only put 3000 miles on it but I love it every time I get on it. And when I'm not on it I love just looking at it in my garage. I have the same keyless start. The Navigation 5 makes traveling out of state so easy. I'm from Chicago and rode it in June to a BMW Rally in Pennsylvania in the Allegheny mountains and never got lost. I'd love to get it over to Europe. Hopefully someday. Thanks again.
+Bill Holly Hi Bill, I'm glad you agree with my summary, I was only on the bike for 2 hours! What a wonderful machine though, when I eventually get fed up with my GS I will be talking a VERY serious look at the RT, a joy to ride....all the best from Blighty and "Happy Holidays" as you chaps say...TMF
Great review! Definitely a bike for my wish list! Thanks for the review.
Cheers Garry - glad you found it of interest, all the best - TMF
I went from a R1150 GS down to a F800 GS. Test rode one of these before Christmas. IMHO an impressive machine, plus being a shorty at 5'8" I found it extremely comfortable. A great video, I think it's time to pull the trigger.
+Gary Fryett Go for it! ...and let me know how you get on??? This is defo top of my list for when I next buy again....(no plans currently)
I've had the 2011 model now for 6 months and absolutely love this machine. As you say it has a bit of an old man stigma about it, but I can honestly say it doesn't feel like an old man's bike, it goes like stink and is so comfortable. When cruising along on my CBR600 at 70 I know I am are doing it, but the RT is ready to get going at that, you just don't feel any of the buffering of the open bikes. Horses for courses but I love this bike.
Hi Rob, yes I completely agree, a fabulous bike based on my short time with it - I don't give a monkeys about the old man image, with age comes wisdom! All the best and thanks for stopping by....TMF
Once again another great review. After several thousands miles on my RT the only thing I don't like is I have found the saddle bags are very easy to scratch and expensive to repair. Mine have been damaged twice, once when I parked it to close to the garage wall and once when it was scraped in a parking garage. The longest ride I have done stopping only for fuel, food and bathroom is from Mukilteo, WA to Dallas, Texas 1937 miles to my destination. Never found an issue in parking lots or at slow speeds, however each person has a different perception.
+Melanie Boaz Now that is a decent ride! Thanks for watching and for stopping by - all the best - TMF
Dream bike, absolutely a beautiful machine. Thanks for sharing.
+Robert Wilson No worries Robert, I agree this is a great machine - but I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder!! Cheers - TMF
Just loooove my 2014 RT LC as a daily commuter. I ride about 3.000km a month on it and despite its size and dimensions, filtering on highways and the Ring around Brussels go very smoothly! Even in the city center, it's still quite ok for me. Wouldn't trade it for any other bike! (except maybe for a new R1250RT... :-))
Ejoyed your review, still a great bike. I had the 1100 1995 model back in 1995, so comfortable, did 740 miles in 12 hours crossing Europe, no aches or pain. The handling out of this world, glad they still use the wishbone suspension on the front.
Just bought an ex-police 63 plate R1200RT and was worrying at how big it felt. Massively reassured by this video! Thanks so much for doing it
Enjoy!
Cool. Nice review by the way. I'm getting a 2005 model next week. These machines goes forever and ever. We are a group going around Australia later this year and this is the bike to do it on.
Wow, sounds like a fabulous trip - as you say, the right bike to do it on - enjoy....
Great review! I also have the 2015 model, in Ebony Black, complete with all the available options. The combination of the BMW Navigator 5, Sena, a compatible smartphone and this motorcycle is just perfection.
+Maarten Thanks Maarten, glad you found the review of interest....and agreed, a lovely motorcycle!
Great video, you have me lusting. I have an 09 RT and just about to do the 90,000 service. I love this bike but every time I go to the dealer I have to drool over the new ones. Love that new color of blue on the 2016.
+Rick Burnett Hi Rick - Sorry about that! These are fabulous machines, I dare you to go and ride one ;0) Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by, all the best - TMF
Another good review. I have one of these 2015 bikes and an older GS. I’ve had all versions of the GS from the R1100 onwards and covered a lot of miles and some big mileage days on GS’s - I’m a fan of the GS. Picking the best is pointless as it really just comes down to personal preference, having said that, if I want to cover distance with luggage and arrive feeling civilised the RT has the edge for me. The size is just an illusion it’s just plastic covering space to produce a very effective fairing, if you think the experience is car like or that they don’t handle you cannot of ridden one. Brilliant fuel economy and range as well!
Yes I must admit if I ever look to change out my GS the RT will be close to the top of the list as a replacement (as will another GS!)....
Delightful review! I just took the 1200GS for a spin; quite fun and finally ridden the boxer. I'm planning to rent the RT next for my weekend getaway. Greetings from Seattle, USA.
...I'd be interested to hear how you compare the two....enjoy!
It was this exact review which made me go and buy my first R1200RT LE (65’ plate) I saw this review as it’s one of the only fully in depth uk (if not THE only) reviews I watched the whole thing, went to my local Motorrad Dealer, test rode one for myself and completely agreed with the review and ended up buying one in metallic grey/green pre owned with 16k on it but absolutely mint! Cannot thank the flyer himself! Keep up the work!
Thank you Josh - glad you likes the bike as much as I did.....
How long ago did you buy htis bike? Any thoughts on it as I am considering one as a winter hack...and especially drawn to the shaft drive and fuel economy (would be interested to know what you get out of it). Cheers, Bib.
Use a top box and leave panniers at home. Filtering is the same for both bikes, slightly wider with boxes on.
Elect screen is nice in rt as I drop the screen in traffic and raise it as I go faster to turn off the sound(wind noise) and am able to look over the screen. Also heated seat on rt is an advantage in cool weather.
We are clearly on the same wave link TMF as I have just found your road test. If all my numbers come up tonight Monday I will be waiting, outside my local BMW Motorcycle dealer, for it to open.The demo of the radio I found interesting as one of my riding colleagues listens to music via his sat nav and you have just proven to me I was correct in not doing the same. I think I would find it irritating rather than enjoyable as I just love the roar our bikes engines gives out. Yet another good review.
+Ted Edwards Thanks for the kind words Ted - glad you found my video of interest. Yeah, the radio thing is wild isn't it...can't imagine how loud it must have been on the street - lovely bike but the radio isn't a selling point for me!
nice review, I love mine its a 2011 with 27K on it. Bought it brand new. I love heated grips and seat also.
+Bmw Motorcycle Touring Thanks...once you've had heated grips you never go back! (...and I assume the seat is much the same!)
V useful, I’m shifting from a Honda Rune cruiser to a touring bike and the RT is rising up the desirability list, it’s either this or a Honda Pan European!
That was a pleasant surprise, I guessed your GS was in for service as I didn't think you'd got bored of her yet!
I think in and ideal World if money were no object we'd perhaps all have one of these in the garage alongside our other bikes,
I haven't ridden this incarnation so it was very interesting to get your take.
I reckon your good lady may find this beauty a good introduction to the joys of motorcycling( I think it also comes in fifty shades of grey,lol)
Thanks also for all the others videos you have provided this year they've all been excellent I've thoroughly enjoyed them all.
Seasons greetings to you and yours.
cheers
tony
Ride safe.
+antonoat Thanks Tony, appreciate the positive feedback, I'm glad you have enjoyed my efforts! I haven't managed to win Mrs flyer over to the joys of two wheels yet, but I'm working on it....Happy Christmas to you and yours too, all the best - TMF
Like your work. Your reviews are always well thought out and practical.
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Thank you!
I have been on the fence for months as to whether to go for the GS or the RT. I finally made a decision and it was partially due to this video. I bought a 2017 r1200 rt last weekend. It is one sweet machine. I purchased the optional top case and I've decided to leave that on and add the side cases as needed. Love this bike.
Lovely bike, you're a very lucky man! If/when I come to replace my GS I shall be looking very closely once again at the RT, a beautiful bit of kit....enjoy!
Seriously thinking about this bike myself. A great review as always.
The Land Rover of bikes! Town & Country. Love my RT.
I hope its more reliable ;)
@@chrisw4215 lol! Yeah I guess I didn’t consider that aspect!!
Nice review dude. I haven't ridden the RT yet but I will next year, I think it's a great bike though. Not enough people try BMW but when they do they are always surprised.
+birdoneword They are nice machines, maybe one day they'll shake off the "Old man" image (I can live in hope!!). Thanks for watching....TMF
Going to view a 2016 model tomorrow...looking forward to it
Fantastic review of the R1200RT ! I have a 2012 , which I picked up a year and a half ago with only about 14K miles on it, and am in love with the machine. The one you have probably has the low seat option and/or optional lowered suspension. I had a standard seat, and even at 5'9" with a 31 1/2" inseam could not flat foot it. You did a great job of representing this BMW for what it is for prospective buyers.
+Robnord1 Thanks for the kind words Rob - interesting you reckon this one was with the lowered seat and/or suspension - will defo need to look into that if/when I come to buy! All the best - TMF
Purchased a used late 2015 R1200RT just over a month ago, and just completed 1200 miles so far. An awesome bike, with great handling ( for such a big bike ) comfort ( heated seat is a surprisingly welcome addition ) and the ability to travel for hours with no ill effects. Planning on doing a bit of touring in the summer and can't think of a better bike. Would certainly recommend to anyone thinking of this bike. Thanks for he excellent review M.F.
+Simon Keen Cheers for the kind words Simon - I must admit I was a bit smitten by the big beemer, when it comes to replace my GS I will definitely be taking another very close look at these (just a shame about it having a radio!!!)....
+TheMissendenFlyer Couple of points thought you might find interesting, mine doesn't have radio or keyless
( both a bit pointless in my view ), but does have pro-shift gears and apart from 1st to 2nd gear, is superb and makes it super smooth for passengers. Just for your info, front lights ( low and high beam ) are fantastic at night:-). All the best.
+elliott keen Just realised i'm logged in under my eldest's name - Doh!
+elliott keen Nice one SImon - I agree, you can keep the radio and keyless ignition, the rest I'd take though! Sounds like your gear shift assist pro is similar to mine on the GS, good when under load going up the box. So with no radio I guess there are just blanking plates where the speakers were on the bike I rode???
+TheMissendenFlyer Yes, gear shift pro works up and down the gears. It takes a bit of getting used to, but now use instinctively. Speaker grills are still in place, I guess the 'gubbins' are not underneath. The buttons on the top of left hand fairing are now blanks.
I've watched all your vids, but came back to this one a bunch of times. Well after a test ride I was flipping hooked. As I needed a 2-up machine with comfort for the pillion Vs. the new GS which I also rode and loved, but 2-up lends its self to the big RT, not the GS for me.
It's kinda like my Ducati ST4S which still has a safe place in my garage, maybe 60-70 lbs more than the Duc. But the Duc is much more sport focussed. Funny but the new R-RT and my 2002 Ducati ST4S both have about the same power to weight ratio so the acceleration is about the same, which I like for this big old comfy cruiser...
The RT is much less frumpy than my old K1200LT which is a true beast!
Once anyone gets used to the new R1200RT they will be surprised how this thing loves to rail through many corners that intimidate some sportbikes.
Thanks again for your review!
Great stuff Mark and congratulations, I must admit this would be very much on my shortlist if I ever come to replace my GS...lovely machine for touring...
SPOILER : 5 years later TMF will buy the Honda Goldwing and is still in love with his GS.
Filtering is such a big part of my riding I couldn't give that up even though I would love one of these
I think I’m right in saying the panniers are about the same width as the bars so gives you a good idea what gaps you can get through. I filter on the Edinburgh bypass, it’s possible but it’s not easy. The fact it’s so easy to ride slowly offsets the width. It has a hell of lot of road presence so car drivers notice you more.
They are lovely bikes. The only issue some have is the cramped riding position. I put lowered pegs on which helped but would prefer more room so I could get a 90 degree angle at my knees. I struggle after a while.
Even from video the bike not only looks cool but sounds and handles nice Perfect video BMW bikes are simply top class
Thanks Ivan...and I agree!
i was looking at one of these RT's and a ST 1300 Pan , trying to get an impartial comparison , and i must say your review has swayed me toward the RT , so a big thumbs up for that ;)
...though I've never ridden a Pan European and I only hear good things about them....it's Allen Millyard's day to day bike so it must be good....
Owned prevoius incarnation truly magnificent bike (it just broke too often on me and BMW dealer in Eire prooved to be little helpful) but handlingwise was superb! Such a big machine handling so light and nimble!
Agreed!
Another great clip, I've always loved the RT's I've never ridden one but I can see why the police use them.
Yes me too, I can't think of any other bike I'd be happy to be on all day everyday, awesome machine...
Excellent review as always. I test rode one in 2014 without the electronic suspension (embargoed at that time) and wasn't particularly impressed with directional stability when cruising. I would guess the ESA has sorted this. I too found the screen very effective - too effective perhaps as I found myself feeling rather remote and no longer remaining as focused as I should be. Right now I'm faced with the choice - GS1200 or RT. I suspect the former as there remain some unpaved roads that I need to explore here in British Columbia.
+Chris Drake Hi Chris - thanks for your kind words. Both the RT and GS are brilliant machines as far as I can tell, but if there is a chance you may venture off the tarmac then there's only the one choice....the GS it is! Enjoy....
That digital speedo is very clear. I've never even thought about trying one of these, but you've whetted my appetite now! I suppose it must be a fast, comfortable bike given the Rozzers use them.
+DervMan ...indeed, I can see why they do, if you have to be on a bike all day I've yet to find one nicer!
Excellent and practical review. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I got a 05 model.gearbox just gave up at4300 miles😞but handles superb,truly a bike for all seasons!with heated seats,grips,an massive adjustable fairing!but hunched over riding position.that have you in pain after a hour or2!
Can't be as painful as my Panigale Mark, this thing is like riding a sofa! Lovely bike (on my list!)...
Heated seat sounds lush. Keeping the plums warm in the colder climate can be struggle sometimes!
+Muffin Hands Yes, I don't know why more bikes don't have 'em, very civilised indeed.....
I decided to move from the new GS Adventure to the new RT. Had it for just over 2 weeks now. So far, I'm really impressed with it. Very quickly get used to the size of the front fairing and change in seating position. Compared to GSA it's quicker in lower gears, smoother on the throttle response with very little jerking and the quick shifter is smoother, engine sounds less noisy probably due to fairing coverage and turns very capably. Once you retrain yourself from slow manoeuvring the GSA it also becomes easy at slow turning too. Front wheel doesn't leave the road like it did around tight fast bends like it did on the GSA.
+gadgetsandwheels Good to hear from you G&W - was watching your channel a little earlier - I completely agree with you on the RT, quiet, comfy and the quickshifter works better than on my GS....it'll be one of these or the K1600 when I fall out of love with my GS (not yet, wallet still recovering from last weekend's purchase).....thanks for stopping by - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer Yeah, it was another option to look at the K1600 but I liked the nimble nature for its size of the RT. I was surprised how once you get over the fairing size, it's a nippy and stable bike rolled-up into one. I stopped worrying about the image side of things when I got my first GS some years ago and many of the "cool" crowd couldn't associate with it :-)
+gadgetsandwheels I'm with you on that, I don't give a monkeys what they cool crowd think, for long journeys comfort wins every time!
+gadgetsandwheels
I don't get it !
I guess the ability to "filter" (lane splitting as the yanks call it ) seems to me part of the benefit of motorcycling. I loved my F800Gs for its ability to scythe through the UK's horrific overcrowding. Now I have an R1200GS, I can just about manage, with care and at slow speeds. But an R1200RT simply means on every ride you are going to sit in traffic.
If I lived in Scotland or Scandinavia , maybe I'd buy one. But in England? You guys must have a more patient nature than me!
Fab review though MF.
+Max Flight ....according to those that own the bike (if you check some of the comments here) filtering is just as possible as on the GS, just takes a bit of practice....
The radio is awesome. Imagine driving through some sleepy Cotswold village at 5am playing Welcome to the Jungle at full volume.
And that's why I wouldn't be allowed one of these bikes :(
+TheTypeRTheory ...and you'd be on one helluva get away vehicle too, by the time the locals had pulled back the curtains you'd be outta there....
Radios on bikes are gay as fuck (no offense to gay folks).
Used to be a bloke down here would blast about on a gold wing with flight of the valkyries (is that the name, whatev) on at about 300bd.
Stereo was about 400w lol.
NaturalAi callin shit gay is gay
Or even Heavy Metal!
I swapped from water-cooled R1200GS to new R1200RT in March ....... Brilliant bike, I run with the 28L top box without panniers, and filtering is on par with GS.
+jimmyrottencauli ...very interesting to know - thanks Jimmy (think I may be following a similar route once my bank account has recovered from my recent purchase)....
Nice Review. Ive just signed on the dotted line for one of these today, an ex police Demo bike, so has smaller panniers (makes for easier filtering), single seat, lacks gear assist shift pro and lacks the radio, but had a huge cost saving ($5000). I am in Australia.
Thanks again for the nice review of the RT
+Garfs j wow exciting times Garfs - I hope they left on the flashing lights and siren?? Enjoy...
+TheMissendenFlyer no flashing lights and siren unfortunately, but has some extra daytime running lamps. Guys at the dealership said people move out of the way for you when you're riding it. Enjoy your GS, looks lovely !
My favourite amongst the BMW offerings. Decent looking headlight cluster, too. Interesting comparison with gadgetsandwheels review, he having recently replaced his 1200 GS Adventure with a 2016 RT.
+Len Scapoff ...Hi Len, good to hear from you buddy, thanks for the heads up, I shall go and have a look at that.....
TMF, you may remember that I sold my 2003 R1150RT to get a 2015 R1200GS. I believe I made the right choice for me: I am 6'4" with 36" inseam. I believe the new RT was made more friendly to shorter riders. My legs felt a bit cramped on my RT. I have more leg room on the GS, and have the "tall seat" on it. I'm happy with my choice of the GS. The Vario cases don't hold much, so I take a couple of duffel bags on long road trips. The mirrors on the GS allow for wider bags to be carried. I'm sure the new RT is a fine bike.
+Harold Clark Hey Harry - good to hear from you again - and yes I agree, as a shortie myself I found the height of the RT ideal and the GS on the boundary of what is acceptable, you're right, the RT is a fine bike....but as we both know, so is the GS...
This was on my Xmas card list until i seen this review
Look's like Xmas has come early for me........LoL
Keep up the great reviews Messenden
Cheers :0)
Thanks TMF great review. My wife and I took one out for a test ride recently (she rode it as well) and it brought memories back of my 2007 RT. The new one is poles apart from the 09 version and definitely a consideration for the next bike (currently own a 2014 GSA).
Taking another one out on the 7th June to see if my first impressions are still true and then who knows after that?
As always great videos and sensibly balanced reviews.
Regards
David
Thank you David, I must admit the RT is a very tempting proposition. I love my GS but I never intend to use her off-road...so maybe the RT would be better for me too....look forward to hearing how you get on after the second ride..keep me posted? Cheers - TMF
TheMissendenFlyer
Although I love the GSA to bits and like you will never put it through what it was intended for I still burn a candle for the RT. Having ridden them for the best part of my previous career in the Met Traffic, they feel like an old friend.
Let the stereo types not deceive you they truly are a formidable machine and excel in the twists and turns of the lanes.
Will certainly let you know how I get on at my local dealer (Cannon BMW) and what I decide to do.
Best wishes in the meantime from Nairobi (missing the bike).
David
Nairobi??? I daren't ask!!!
TheMissendenFlyer
if I told you I would have to.......well you know how it goes 😎 Back to good old 'Blighty' tomorrow. Enjoy the long weekend.
Cheers David - understood...and every weekend is a long weekend for me :0)
Nice review! It would be interesting to hear what you tink of the K1600GT, maybe an idea for a future review? The engine on that thing should be incredible, probably doesn't have the vibrations of the R1200RT.
+InlineSix Yes I would love to have a go on one of those - would be interesting to see how the weight is handled with that big ol' engine.....maybe next year! Thanks for stopping by...TMF
Nice review, thanks for this. I would like to see one on the 2016 ST1300, apparently these are not coming to New Zealand :-(
... subbed.
+nzbeeker Glad you enjoyed it and welcome along! All the best - TMF
This was a very smart review because all of us who are researching the GS without the intent of every riding it off road, just on motorways wonder if we should be looking at a non-off road offering from BMW, like this RT. Now here comes the million dollar question: Why not replace the GS with this RT machine now? what is it about the GS that makes you prefer it now to the RT even though you do not do off road? , why wait till you get tired of it, what keeps you with it now? something obviously does. that will be a very valuable answer.
I just prefer the looks of the GS - it is a close run thing though, the RT makes more logical sense for me I agree (just can't quite get past that bulbous front end and it having a radio installed!)...
@@TheMissendenFlyer I see, honest answer. But the RT does slightly better it in road handling and over all "feel" ? Looks aside, the riding experience is slightly better ?
Love my 2010 RT,The sat nav is great,the Audio is great and the handling is awesome for a big bike.Do find the stock seat gives me a bit of a numb bum after 100 miles or so but i only paid 8 grand for it with 4K miles.Compared to my new Harley Road glide ultra the BM feels like a moped,wont be selling either bike for a long time.Good review on this video,more real world than biker mag bollocks.
+crooky1811 Thanks for that crooky1811 - appreciate the kind words! ....sounds like you got a corker for £8K! Nice one....thanks for stopping by - TMF
Thanks for the great review. I did a test ride during last summer and I loved it, the engine feels smoother than the GS for some reason. I also did a test ride on the K1600GTL and I was amazed how silky smooth the 6 six cylinder engine was, it is my favorite engine (apparently British firm Ricardo developed the six cylinder engine for BMW). I do not know why the K1600 feels lighter and more nimble but on paper it is heavier than the RT. I heard rumors that BMW will be releasing a new K1600 in 2017. I am planning on upgrading my bike next summer not sure which bike to go (GS vs GSA vs RT vs K1600). Please do a comparison video between the K1600 and the RT if you could.
+TheOutdoorFun ...interesting....looks like we need to wait for the 2017 K1600 revamp before making any rash decisions then! Would love to do a comparison review if the chance arose....and agree with what you say about the RT Boxer seeming smoother - maybe it's 'cos it's buried in that fairing and just sounds quieter....???
+TheMissendenFlyer It makes sense, it is the fairing. Lovely bike!
Great review! I have one of these, and drive in traffic daily, filtering most of the time. It is not such a wide bike, but if you're used to a GS, it may feel like it, what with all the Tupperware around you. Interestingly, mine went in for some small repairs the other day, and they gave me a GS as a loan bike. Also felt strange for me in the beginning - different handlebar position, lower footpegs etc. I can understand why people wax lyrical about the GS. But I still prefer my RT - amazing for touring, which we do regularly.
Yes I do love the RT too….
Hey mate, fantastic review, my dad has a slightly older one and he loves it, iv e mailed him the link or this to watch too! Mark
Cheers Mark - I need every viewer I can get!! All the best - TMF
Thanks, for this review, who knows, maybe my next motorcycle.
Looking for a new BMW at the moment and am considering another R1200GS, an S1000 XR or an R1200RT. Got to say that your reviews have been brilliant in helping to make a choice.
+David Lythgoe Glad to have been of use David - which one do you reckon you will go for?
+TheMissendenFlyer Well, after looking at the RT and the S1000XR, I'm going for yet another GS! Cheers...
+David Lythgoe Good man! ;0) Enjoy.....
Great review of a brilliant bike.
+Dean Hudson Thanks Dean..
A work of art.
Nice review! Quality made in Bavaria ;-)
Have you heard about the BMW G 310 R ?
I fell in love with this bike - (it has only 300cc but i think it would be great for small rides in town)
+Bavarian Biker Can't disagree on the quality BB, you chaps sure know how to knock out a quality machine! I've not heard of the G310R but will google shortly! Thanks for stopping by once again, all the best - TMF
Getting mine in 2 weeks can’t wait
Congratulations!
Seems like an almost perfect bike.
I have to imagine that some time soon, given the nature of the bike and the tech development, that it will likely have a DCT transmission in its next iteration.
I would hope so, even if it is as an option.
I just can't see anyone wanting a bike like this and objecting to fully automated gears - and I do not mean CVT, I do mean DCT, like some Hondas.
Thanks for the great video.
I really want to swap my wonderful and much loved 2012 Suzuki V-Strom 650 for one of these.
In the real world though, I only do anything like a tour once or twice a year, and only in Japan where I live and, given that roads here are narrower, more congested, and subject to a national maximum speed limit of eighty kilometres per hour, yes fifty miles per hour, this bike would be wasted 95 percent of the time.
Thanks again.
+staninjapan07 Thanks for the kind words StaninJapan07 - don't much like the sound of riding in Japan then!! These RT's are a great machine, but I have to disagree with you about wanting DCT - for me that would put me off the bike, I love the quick shifter :0) ....Lucky for me BMW haven't used DCT on any other machines to my knowledge... Cheers for watching and stopping by, all the best - TMF
I had an RT and flipped it for a GS which recently got stolen. Would go back to the RT in a heartbeat. Amazing bike
+Theo Theodorou Interesting - what about it did you prefer over the GS??? Bummer about the theft, what were the circumstances??
+TheMissendenFlyer I use my bike daily to commute into London. Unfortunately someone stole my GS whilst I was at work. The GS was awesome and great at filtering. The RT fitted me better and for and all round machine for all seasons it works better than the GS. Although wider than the GS I found it fine for filtering, you have to be a little more patient through certain gaps but my journey time did not decease with the GS.
+Theo Theodorou Thanks Theo - good info....
Bitten the bullet and just agreed a deal on one of these, trading in my GS. Didn't bother with the radio though. Was determined to hate it but really impressed on the test ride.
...told you it was good! Congratulations and enjoy....
I just bought a 2015 with Over 6,000 miles! Rode it from Austin Texas to Las Vegas. It goes ok at 120mph. Odd that it isn't as fast as my 1996 K1100 LT. I found fifth and sixth to be lacking and need to shift down to forth to get decent power, unlike my K where I never had to downshift. Maybe it needs a couple more cylinders?
Love your reviews! I went from a 2015 GSA to 2017 GS Rallye and just sold looking for a RT. I'm contemplating a 2015 vs 2018, but am slightly concerned with your comment of the vibration and handlebar vibes on this 2015. Now that this review is a bit older I'm wondering if someone can answer if the 2018 (with judder dampner lol) eliminated these "vibrations"? Thank you!
I've had two RT's 1200 and never had any issues with vibrations through the handlebars what so ever, I'd say go buy and enjoy ( the 1250 is even better )
I rode the Multistrada DVT, R1200GS-W and R1200RT (all 2016 inc electronic suspensions) back-to-back at the weekend, for about 15 miles each time, on the same roads/circuit. All were great, but it surprised me that I thought the RT was the best handling and most comfortable. I got off and used the 'magic carpet' ride expression too. It was like first class airline travel. In the States, filtering is illegal (except CA), and there's plenty of long straights and great weather temperature variation, so its a good choice over here. Maybe my next bike too! :-D
Yeah, an excellent machine for crossing the US I would think...currently top of my list for when I come to replace the GS (unless the new GS is something even more amazing of course.....)
yes was thinking of buying one to haul coal !! lol. used to own a gtr 1400 was a lovely bike plenty of power but too heavy. I find the explorer much more flickable through the bends.
A great review TMF, I'm road testing a new GS tomorrow and thinking of replacing my slightly ageing RT with one. This video makes me wonder if I am doing the right thing? Thinking was to consolidate my Burgman 400 (commuter tool) and RT (touring bike) into one to save a few quid and gain some garage space. Let's see how it goes!
+Paul Harris The GS is a great bike too, it might be just the ticket for your requirement. Best of luck!
6 weeks and 2000km into ownership, and I continue to be amazed with how the RT contently exceeds expectations, especially handling at speed. Still waiting for Givi to supply the top box mount allowing me to use my old 46l Monokey unit as was not prepared to shell out CA$1500 for the OEM item. With this I'll be able to store the panniers at home unless heading on an extended trip and reduce the girth (my wife's first comment was 'man, has she
got a big butt!').
I'm still mulling over getting the Navigator 5, but was disappointed to discover the extended information you've praised on the GS is (apparently) not provided on the RT (are there any other owners who can comment on this?). Despite the excellent dashboard
and colour display, I wish more than one information category could be displayed
simultaneously- personally I like to see tyre pressure and outside temperature,
and not have to keep switching. The speedo is clear (kph only for Canada), but
no mph - oddly the digital readout is only kph too - just how hard can it be to
make the digital display switchable, BMW?) So as soon as I had south of the border, I have to rely on the GPS.
The fuel consumption is a very unexpected bonus - up tp 4.4l/100km (64mpg imperial/ 53mpg US) which is only marginally worse than my previous 700GS. Contrast this to my son's XR which seems pretty consistent at 7.5l/100km, and that would explain his 'range anxiety' when on an extended route with me.
When purchasing any BMW, the ‘factory options’ are remarkably good value when contrasted with the accessories such as top-boxes, exhausts. As mine was a BMW Canada factory demo, all the option boxes were ticked, some of which I may have not
specified if buying new. However, I view the keyless ride / central locking as quite outstanding, and even the radio has been used in traffic (used to view a radio as in the same category as ashtray…)
Lovely bike Chris - congrats on your purchase! Odd what you say about the various displays, you sure the on bike displays (never mind the Nav 5) aren't configurable?? - on my GS pretty much everything can be displayed anywhere if you want too, although it is all a bit convoluted getting through the setup menu....either way, have fun and enjoy - all the best - TMF
Sadly it seems the info section is GS exclusive. From the Motorrad site - "MyMotorcycle feature for the R1200GS* and R1200GS Adventure**" Now even my local dealer is unaware of this and I keep hoping he'll let me plug one in to confirm one way or the other, but given the above I am not hopeful. Seems odd to me that the electronics are not more standardized between the R models. Regarding the dashboard display, one can to select only one of many items. (consumption, outside temp, range, avg speed, tyre pressure and more).
How odd...and as you imply, somewhat disappointing (as it's such a great feature on the GS)...
I had a very good look at the police RT's following "the tour of Britain" cyclists along Regent street today and I thought I would search for a review of the bike just to wind down a bit.
Behold, the missendenflyer has already done one.You Sir must be some sort of a magician!! :)
Well I'm not sure about that John but glad to have been of service!
Great review. Its on my shortlist to replace my F700gs when the time comes. Cant decide between the 1200GS, 1200RS, 100XR and The 1200RT at the moment though! Dam BMW make so many good bikes!!!
+Anti electrons Whilst you're at it you may as well try the Mutistrada too eh? Awesome machine....
Multistrada is nice but I am tied to BMW financing which is excellent....
+Anti electrons Fair do's.....
Cheap finance is actually one of the unspoken advantages of BMW Motorrad (BMW has its own bank!). Currently on a 0% finance deal myself and can walk away after 3 years at no extra cost by handing bike back if needed. Cant really get better than that!
Thanks for the review, 'flyer! I had a GS for 17 years - just got nicked. Who'd have thought anyone would want to nick one of those? Anyway, I tried to do a bit of offroading in the early days, and it's not really doable. John Deacon (RIP) could do it, but so much easier on a F650 or whatever the latest is. I always found the GS a bit heavy and tall, especially around town, and if you do any motorway work at all, the wind is a pain. I went through about 4 windscreens before finding one that was OK on the motorway, and of course it's too tall in town and on hot days. Bottom line, next bike will be a RT, once the kids are old enough to be left behind!
Yes the RT is an amazing machine - I liked it much more than I thought I would. Defo near the top of my list when I come to replace my GS......sorry to hear about yours :0(
Well done mate. Love your reviews .. have you replaced the GS yet ???
Thanks, and nope...still loving it...
I have the 2014 model and yes it's a great bike, but! Having come from adventure bikes I do find the small wheels a bit confidence sapping when on farm type lanes. Also just the other week riding on a B road which had just been planed for resurfacing the bike felt like it was wallowing, which was quite off putting. My old Tiger XC would have gobbled up the above issues with no problem. However, the Tiger would not get me across to France in as much comfort. So good at most things, not so good a few.
Chapeau for a good and honest review for the length of time you had on the bike. But how did the GS feel riding it back to back with the RT?
+Spencer Walford thanks Spencer - and I can see where the adventure bikes would have the advantage over the RT on the rougher stuff, most of my riding is on Tarmac though....riding the GS after was interesting, the RT is definitely more forgiving and more comfy, if it's touring on Tarmac you do then the RT is the right choice (although let's face it the GS looks more manly!)
Nice review. Regarding filtering, the bike is actually about the same width as a GS and filtering is easy once you get used to the bike - no more difficult than a GS, though with both, riding pannier-free is the option if you're a central-London commuter. Weight-wise, it's only a few KG more than a GS Adventure and carries it lower down, so it's very manageable :)
+Eugene Reisch Yes it surprised me how agile it is given its physical size....lovely machine! Thanks for watching - TMF
I've had 2 previous gen. RTs and have just sold my GSA to go PCP on a new RT - picking it up the end of Nov :)
Veey good review, have you also tried the Tryumph Trophy SE though? Some say it is also good.
Cheers Daniel - no I've not tried the Trophy, would love to though.....
nice review mate!
+Gsman Thank you very much for saying so!
Have you ever ridden the K1600GT? Just wondered how it would compare. Another great review by the way.
+Simon Foster I haven't Simon but funnily enough I am working on it!! Stay tuned....