I find it ironic that from 2015 to 2017 The Inhumans had only one goal, replace the X-Men because Disney didn’t have the X-Men film rights that were with 20th Century Fox at the time, and The Inhumans failed. Now Ms. Marvel, a very famous Inhuman has now been retconned into being a Mutant because Brand Synergy after the Disney+ tv show, and The Inhumans are the ones who are tossed aside because Disney finally got the X-Men rights after buying out Fox.
If Drake reads this, a video analyzing the situation of the Inhumans as a brand after their failed attempt to replace the Mutants would be interesting. In my opinion, it would be interesting if the Inhumans and the Eternals fall under the same editorial department of the Mutants and new joint plots are created between the three races analyzing their similarities and differences, and this same thing could be replicated in the MCU
@oscarkamala sure. but honestly, I feel like making her a inhuman instead was the best decision they made with her. (Since it allowed her to stand out and be her own thing instead of "just another x-men character".)
My biggest gripe with the current Ms Marvel stories is that her supporting cast has been seriously downplayed. Kamala's family and friends are remarkably fleshed out. Their own arcs and developments being as much of a draw as hers. Lately though, they've barely been seen, and have even had parts of said developments undone for seemingly no good reason. Nakia, Zoe and Mike aren't allowed to remember Ms. Marvel's identity because Emma Frost is suddenly really rubbish at rewriting people's memories? It's frustrating. Also, can we just address how stupid the reveal of her mutant power is? Yes, I know. Corporate synergy. That's why her mutant power is light constructs. But given the fact they aren't having it manifest (not a complaint. It's an observation. I will always champion her having embiggening powers), what's even the point? I would have had it that her mutant power is simply to be a mutant who can also be an Inhuman. Her genes could act as a way of making Terrigen mist non-toxic to mutants or something. Would have been a pretty meta way of putting all that to rest.
Also she isn't the first mutant-Inhuman Hybrid, though Marvel seems to have forgotten that. Quicksilver and Crystal's daughter Luna Maximoff was one first, and while he isn't a mutant anymore, he was one when Luna was first created.
THEY ERASIED HER FRIEND'S MEMORY TOO?! I thought it was bad enough when the Ahmed run undid her mom knowing she was a hero (even if the Wilson run barely did anything with it).
On the supporting cast bit, I think that she also suffers from a wider Marvel problem where the civilian identity is seem more as a crux than an actual asset to the character. The whole point of why Marvel is a big success in the first place was that the heroes were real people behind the mask. Taking away the human side of it and only sticking with the costume really makes all these characters a blend of the same bland flavor
On the second point, they hinted a few times that her mutant powers may eventually manifest. A couple characters said something like, "Hey, we might be able to figure out how to unlock your mutant power for you," and she was just like, "Eh, I'm good, let's just see if it happens naturally." Then in the Marvel 85th Anniversary Special, there's a story that takes place in the future where an adult Kamala has BOTH her Inhuman stretchy powers and her mutant construct powers, and uses them together in interesting ways. So unless they change their mind (which, y'know, it's comics, so that's totally possible), they've set up a potentially awesome moment where she'll finally unlock her mutant power and get a big upgrade.
Stopped reading Miss Marvel after they had a whole arc about her parents finding out and learning to accept her being a superhero, only to end the arc by erasing their memories and returning to the status quo for no reason. It's a shame how marvel keeps sabotaging Kamala.
I just want to bring up it's really weird and dumb how they keep trying to put her with Peter Parker and push their team ups as if Peter is a teenager around her age while at the same time slowly splitting up the team ups between her and Miles.
Marvel's execs demand Peter Parker to act like a teen that it actually makes him feel like a failure. Johnny Storm feels now feels more mature and that's wrong.
@@majestyzx9081 it's the fact her and Miles were also already having team ups and peter and her already had the experienced mentor guide with younger heroine relationship going in their few interactions (miles and her more in comparison definitely). Now they have changed it.
"I'm New York City's mutant superhero." What's Marvel DOING?! New York has enough superheroes! New Jersey having its own superhero opened up the Marvel world a little, like Howard the Duck in Ohio before it. And just like Howard before her, here she is, settling in New York City, the only place allowed to exist in Marvel, evidently.
They need to move the comics office to a cheaper city. Savannah, GA would be nice. Then they could have characters outside the greater New York area. New Yorkers don't really believe the rest of the world exists.
Its funny how this is basically the same general issue as Spider-Gwen. Character who blew up in the early 2010s, made their way into the mainstream via movies, corporate synergy requires them to always be associated with whatever said movie used them for and as a result they end up being removed from their original setting and original cast in favor of forcing them into whatever contrived scenario they can to make them as close to the films as possible.
And now history is kind of repeating itself yet again with Gwenpool. Except they just kinda dropped the ball completely of their own accord since she doesn’t have any movies or anything yet.
One of my problems is that they made her being a muslim and Pakistani-American out to be this big thing, but aren't really brave enough to do anything daring with it. Daredevil got to grapple with his faith from multiple angles, from his violent acts being decidedly not Christian to rectifying the existence of the supernatural and aliens with his Catholic beliefs. Ms. Marvel has none of that. It's set dressing that would hardly change if she was Hindu or Buddhist, or if her family came from any other country. Her Tumblrina personality could adapt with the times, maybe even get ribbed for it by other heroes, but a lack of ambition or balls for her stories is a bigger hurdle.
Why would Daredevil ever have a problem with the existence of Supernatural beings and aliens when Catholic theology acknowledges both? Also, Daredevil is far from the only Catholic character in Marvel.
@@lukejones7164 Does it acknowledge literal pagan deities that he can see and talk to? Be in a bloody team up with, who can give first hand accounts of events he thought were mythological fancies? I don't know where Thor or Aries come up, but it sure as shit wasn't in Sunday School when I was a kid!
@StrangeCreed Surprisingly yes. The traditional view about Pagan deities in Abrahamic theology was that they were demons, fallen angels, nature spirits, djinn, etc. Not that they didn't exist at all (which is a modern view).
It hurts my brain how weirdly they've been treating her during her cinematic debut. Killing her off in Spider-Man just to revive her as a mutant was such an odd decision. I would've had Wolverine bring her to Krakoa as an honorary mutant or something. I hope that some project does this character justice because I really enjoyed the original series from 2014. I need to read the miniseries from Iman Velani since I enjoyed her performance in the show.
The X-Men have had plenty of non-mutant members in the past. Humans, mutates, aliens, robots, and whatever the heck Doop is. So it would hardly be without precedent. Ironically, I read somewhere once that Kamala was originally going to be mutant right from the start. But it was the era where management was pushing for the Inhumans. Meaning we could have avoided all of this nonsense, and we have yet another reason to be angry at Ike Perlmutter.
You know what's bizarre? There was a way to revive her as a mutant without causing the controversy. And it was on Judgment Day Why am I saying this? Because that book makes a big deal that the X-Men will revive Cap with the Krakoan Protocols. Cyclops would've done that for Kamala ASAP
If you ask me, Ms Marvel would be a perfect hero to tackle the whole young people loneliness epidemic, rising racism, no money, Andrew Tatification of young men dilemmas. She's supposed to be the teen hero facing teen issues. Those are the teen issues of today. I think it could work if you got the right writer.
I don't really think she'd be all that good for Andrew Tate related male issues. The main thing she could do is notice someone else being influenced like that and respond to it. while that is a response, it's not really one I see as being made more or less relevant or insightful by it being the same age category. If she were a guy, she could give a perspective from that group, but that's not the case. There's definitely modern female equivalents she could talk about, though. Tiktok stuff comes to mind in particular.
That would be awesome but you know how that would go. Hate would fly at that comic in an instant! I'm all hear for it though, but yeah... should be an interesting 4 years. To see if comics continue to be the bastion they have always been or if will they start to avoid certain topics like the ones mentioned. But yeah, make no mistake I think that is a great idea. It just brings out the worrying idiot in me. Comics look like there going to have to be great escape again.
Feels like the Marvel equivalent of Jon Kent. Jon was one of the best new things DC had created in years but then everything that was fun and interesting about the character was permanently undone by Bendis to essentially make him a worse Superman. I don’t hate the character now and I’ve read some okay stuff with Jon recently, but man his adventures as a kid were something special.
I still pray that they find away to bring back kid Jon. Not in the way where we erase current Jon. Like maybe some time travel or clone shenanigans. Just to bring back the Jon who could grow up and mature normally. Even have good stories about his sexuality, with him dealing with its development as a teenager.
@ I sometimes wonder whoever thought putting Bendis on Superman was a good idea. The only superheroes he’s ever had good runs on are street level characters. Which I think he understands, as he purposely brought the Avengers into that realm to write a good-ish run.
Kamala was THE Jersey City superhero. It was refreshing that she had an identity outside of Marvel’s overcrowded NYC, and it really felt like her home. Every time I’ve been to Jersey City I’ve thought of her. Stripping her home city away and making her just another NYC hero was one of many, many mistakes that they need to fix.
Why does anyone even want to live in the Marvel NYC? It's a mess where your life is at risk at every corner. Not like our world NYC is exceptionally safe either.
Right? That made sense thematically with her being a hero for the forgotten about, with Jersey City being just across the river yet no hero ever stepping foot there.
If Marvel wants iconic villains for Kamala that fit then here are a few ideas that can fit with her teen street level crime fighting -Go the Static Shock route and give her villains that are jerks/turfs with powers -Maybe give her villains who became villains out of desperation due to the current system -Perhaps she could have villains that represent how she has been treated by Marvel, villains that try to force Kamala to take on multiple roles (a street level hero, a team player, an inhuman, a mutant, and maybe even a celebrity)
Lockdown is by a large margin the best villain Ms. Marvel ever had. Maybe they're hesitant to use her again because she was unfortunately attached to the awful Civil War II event.
It's weird how often Marvel takes a character they don't know what to do with, and makes them a mutant. It happened with Gwenpool, then the new black knight (please give them more stories I beg of you) and now Ms marvel.
Gwenpool's mutant status is weird since it was a “self-retcon”. The reason both Doylist and Watsonian for it because she'd be less likely to be forgotten if she was under the X-Men label (probably the same for the new black knight, but idk who that is). Ms. Marvel was meant to be a mutant prior to Marvel's decision to shove them to the side. (Better in hindsight since FOX could've fumbled her real hard). Also it's not like this is abnormal. Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver had their mutant status messed with (at least in the MCU), and a lot of well-established superheroes (most notably Spider-Man) had the X-Men logo on the comics back when they were rising in popularity. (Basically a predecessor to the “Quentin Tarantino presents” tactic.)
I find it sad that Marvel literally created a new Spider-Man like character, and decided to not move forward with it. I'm gonna get hate for this, but the true essence of Spider-Man is captured so well in Kamala's earlier books. she embodied Spider-Man more than early Miles' comics. She is the nerd with a set of weird creepy powers (remember when Spider-Man was creepy?) that has to balance her personal life with her chaotic superhero stuff. With a new twist focusing on her deep connection to her community, religion, and identity. It's not hard to make ideas for good Kamala stories. You can make any personal conflict (from depression to climate change) and make a villain out of it to connect to a young audience. I think Marvel secretly resents Kamala. It's like in recent comics they are trying to erase everything she used to be and replace it with some shallow garbage.
They don't resent her. The problem is Kevin Feige now has creative control over Marvel Comics and has decided comics are just to be a laboratory for the big screen.
thats pretty much exactly what i've thought. like why have they sabotaged this character? are they actually jealous of her success!? omg pls stop! i love kamala SO much. it pains me to see the bull shit she's been through lately.
Funny enough my problem with the Ms Marvel comic was it was absolutely derivative of spiderman and other superhero media. I couldn't get past the first issue
fun fact, Locust was inspired by 'El Chapulín Colorado', who may be the most famous mexican superhero. Chapulín Colorado was created as parody of usa superheroes. While Superman and Batman were brave and strong, Chapulín Colorado was weak and a coward but he still always tried to save the day. He was played by the late Mexican actor, comedian, screenwriter, humorist, director, producer, and author Roberto gomez Bolaños, also known as Chespirito (little Shakespeare), who made some of the most famous tv shows and characters in latin america, he may the most recognizable comedian in all of latin america. another fun fact, the simpsons character Bumblebee Man is also inspire by El Chapulín Colorado
Great video! Like you said at the start of the video, we no longer have the Internet where you're allowed to just like stuff so I was apprehensive that this would be a more needlessly mean spirited. I think Ms Marvel comics are at their best when they're addressing issues that face young people today. Disenfranchisement, radicalisation, and the "standard" stuff like bullying, insecurity, prejudice, etc. For this reason I'd say Kamala's actual most compelling villain, although he barely appears, is Josh/Discord, an angry young man who keeps getting pulled towards fascism. It's relevant, it's impactful, and it gives Kamala's defining empathy opportunity to shine. It sucks to see her character flailing around aimlessly. I actually think Champions was the perfect place for her, every team needs a moral compass and shot-caller and I felt she filled that role fantastically. Devastated that it got canned. Given the historic bombing of The Marvels, I'm just worried we're going to see Kamala (and all their plans for her) get tossed in the bin. Here's to a better future! Hopefully...
Holy crow, did not expect to see you here. Hope you're having a good day. And yeah, definitely makes sense. I think the big issue is basically that some folks at Marvels, either writers and or editors, kinda seem more focused on doing their own thing rather than an overarchng story. Kamala got the lucky chance to grow into her own despite the circumstances, but now we see what's happening and the issues coming from there. Though talking about Discord, I'm reminded about Soldier, introduced to us in Jed McKay's run of Moon Knight. While helping out Moon Knight, he ends talking with fellow newcomer Reese about how he ended up falling in with HYDRA and it's very much alluding to that sort of "angry white young man" narrative and how organizations like HYDRA exploit that for their own goals. I don't think Kamala wll be tossed in the bin, but I imagine it will be a while before we see anything new with her, but I think that's become of a lot of poor decsion making by the heads and also potentially the writers.
With early Ms Marvel, it wasn't her villains that mattered, it was her team-ups. Best ever Wolverine team-up. One of the reasons Iman Vellani was such perfect casting is that having Kamala fangirl while in a team-up was just really fun in the comics, and Vellani is the most authentic fangirl ever cast in a Marvel movie.
That was Static Shock in the 2000's for a lot of young teens/adults in that period. Maybe the writers could take inspiration from that character, his supporting cast and villains. The show covered a lot of mature and relevant subject matter. Poverty, bullying, racism and so much more.
Ms Marvel has always been awesome as Jersey's street level hero with some occasional crossovers, and day to day family/friend problems. Much like Spider-Man. Them trying to push her into big team books or cosmic events has really hurt her development. NYX is the worst X-book out right now, and there are a lot of x-books out right now. Writing her to wax poetically over New York is completely antithetical to her original character. The writers have lost the plot.
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Please, tell me which From The Ashes X-team book is below NYX right now. Exceptional Uncanny X-Men X-Factor And X-force Are all better than NYX and have shown better storytelling and written characters than NYX has. Even titles like Dazzler have been better to this point. NYX has not been good. It hasn't even been okay, it's been bad. Wolverine in NYX has been bad. Kamala Khan in NYX has been bad. Prodigy has been awful and is a complete opposite of their characterization in the recent past. Ultimate X-Men, not even a From The Ashes title, has been better than NYX. Outside of some facsimile books being reprinted right now, NYX is currently the worst X-team book in publication.
I honestly thought it was supposed to be a joke reference in the last video to Absolute Batman's giant logo, so I was pretty surprised to see it back in this one.
It's kind of upsetting that Marvel finally hit big on a mainstream inhuman, just to make her a mutant. Marvel very easily could have had both Inhumans and Mutants, side by side. Limitless potential for storytelling. Inhumans have essentially been designated for the mausoleum with Khan being made a mutant and shoehorned into the X-books.
I feel like the original Superboy design was considered a dated relic of "90s edge" for a while, but over time the leather jacket look kind of looped back around to being cool again
Viewed from a certain angle, it kind of worked for Superboy. Because the basic pitch for the Kid was "Young Superman if he were a bit of a delinquent". He was like a teenage superhero if he were a character from S.E. Hinton's The Outsiders. Not a bad kid, but hotheaded, impulsive, flirtatious with no parents to help smooth out the rough edges and a very uncertain future. You've got to remember that at the time Superman was still keeping his identity a secret from him and was thus a bit distant (Clark wasn't really ready to be a parent then anyway). And he was also told that he was told he was a clone of Superman and would grow up to be Superman someday, and then suddenly he wasn't. So, they drew on past youth rebellion fashion for his look. The jacket is '60s greaser. The earring is '80s bad boy. The wedge haircut . . . okay I can't explain the haircut. But so many other characters from the '90s were chasing the "bad boy" vibe that readers got desensitized and just looked at it as "the 90s look".
I always thought she was always supposed to be the new Spider-Man analogue, but with few changes and new points of view, but alas, she became a mascot that Marvel pushed everywhere, mostly places she didn't belong. Teams, games, movies etc. all of it before she was ready for it as a brand. My steps to make her better (it's too late, but oh well): -Give her a rogues gallery. We see so few new heroes get their own these days, while everybody loves the villains of Spiderman, Flash, Batman etc. Seriously, when did we stop making new recurring villains? -Make her a teenage hero in highschool or college student. Pick one, stick to it, stop flip flopping and going between the ideas. -Stop putting her in teams. Champions might be the only one she needs, Avengers neither need her nor she needs them. She needs to grow up on her own. - Give her her original, first superpowers and stick to it. Don't give me the "but people don't like stretchy powers"- beach, the best selling manga of all time is about a pirate made out of rubber! And no, Mr. Fantastic, Plastic Man, Elongated Man and others are not lame no matter how many memes you link. -Take a look at Static Shock, learn why it became popular, then make your own. Don't copy or plagiarize, but use that as inspiration. -One book, go to 100 issues, don't restart/revamp/rename/reboot or other re's. Let it run it's course. The idea of "I don't know where to start" won't matter to newcommers who will buy trades anyway, then catch up once they are attached to the character and stories. -Oh and make the writing good. I feel like I shouldn't even say that but I feel like some people forget about it. Remember, Spiderman took years to become an icon that he is today and Kamala needs time too. Time and attention and most importantly, FOCUS.
Spider-Gwen is having this same issue. They keep wanting to have her do multiversal stuff and team stuff rather than getting to explore her own setting
Her original run was brilliant, she easily skyrocketed to one of my favourites. On her strongest spots she's like Spiderman: down to earth, human and super life messy and intertwined, fun to crossover, less to team up. The set up and power rebrand was upsetting. It killed a lot of my passion for it. (Also, I dislike the mutant ressurrection so much, it's a tool for corporate checklists that kills the tension in anything X-men related)
A running theme I’m seeing with Marvel is that just about everyone sees how to make these characters work… except for the execs that have the final say on everything. Mainline Peter Parker must act like a poor teenager, despite being an adult with the brilliance to get into just about any tech company he wants. Kamala Khan should be pushed as a big name superhero, even though her best stories were smaller, personal conflicts. Out-of-touch executives do a better job of ruining our favorite characters than any supervillain.
"The campus is 45 minutes from Jersey City" You really should use the PATH train time, not the car time. Silly Texan. It's only $3 to ride. Damn, the bike time is really short.
I’ve been a dedicated Ms. Marvel fan ever since her debut in comics, I have all her comics, draw fanart of her, and have fun seeing what she does next! I agree with ya that they’ve been fumbling the bag with her so much, Iman’s run really brought back some semblance of OG Ms. Marvel and if ANY comic industry folks are reading,why won’t you guys give her ongoing comic back!? Let her have her own adventures again like Miles! DX
One of the biggest strengths of the Ms Marvel title was that she had a strong supporting cast to bounce her off of, and unfortunately, comics now is compelled to sabotage that. It's happened with Spidey, it's happened with Jaime!Blue Beetle, and now it's happened with Kamala. She's lost her interesting classmates & relatives so she can be just another teen X-Man, in a book that's actively painful to read.
Kamala Khan was one of the first characters to get me back into comics. And I'm straight up mad what they're doing to my girl. The assessment that she was supposed to be Spiderman for the new age is absolutely correct. She appeals mainly to the teen and early college demographic, as she shows off genuine social problems they have to deal with. For example, her book did not shy away from politics (they actually did it with some nuance unlike other comics recently) or the constant looking down on upon Gen Z. The comic was focused more on her then any cosmic villains. It was a nice break from the hectic world of Marvel. Then they started to make her join teams. I'm so happy Drake points this out, because for years I thought I was the only one who actually noticed/cared, but it is inconsistent of Kamala to go from small scale adventures to large team ups. It's why I would eventually only read her book because it felt weird reading comics that were not filled with the Kamala I had came for and stayed for. Making her a mutant was a final straw for me. I was not the biggest fan of the Ms. Marvel show. So many things in it were the direct opposite from the comics (Kareem was not part of a secret order, which he says in the comic clearly, he just learned from TH-cam how to throw knives). But, as soon as they made her a mutant I knew it was the beginning of the end. Making her mutant immediately pushes her into so many conflicts that are simply not in her wheel house. It pushes her out of what made her unique as she now has to do what the X-men do. She is not allowed to be in her bubble anymore. I can't stand it.
I haven't read anything since her death and rebirth, but I seriously worry that with her supposed to deal with real-life issues affecting people today, her being a mutant could complicate stories addressing racism, since now they'd have to throw on an imaginary thing that isn't a 1:1 reflection of real issues on top of something that is very real.
@@dallasgrey4247 oh you are of those who is agaisnt having heroes x politics and villains have y politics because it will make you upset that one is portrayed as bad
@ no. I’m fine with that. Heck some of my favorite heroes have radically different ideologies than mine. What I’m not fine is when things are boiled down to simple things. Political ideologies have a lot of stuff behind them. And too portray them without understanding it is stupid to me. I don’t care what the politics of the heroes and villains are. I care that they are portrayed correctly.
Drake is the kind of guy I tend to see as spinning for the positive, even when he talks negatively about a status quo To hear him actually tearing apart Kamala's death and how messy Zeb Wells's run of Amazing Spider-Man was really tells you how badly they're handling both that book and the character of Ms. Marvel
@@benwasserman8223 The way it happened is where lies the problem She died on a book unrelated to her, where she barely appeared, both as a way to set up her mutant revival and to give Peter more grief (aka fridging her) The book was released at the tail end of Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month (Kamala herself is Pakistani-American). It couldn't be anymore tone deaf
@ Yeah but then they announced Iman Vellani was writing her revival series and all was forgiven. So i agree - bad optics and setup. But the world moved past this fast.
Agreed hard - Absolutely love Iman Vellani. Cannot believe we got so lucky with her casting. Being a fan of Ms Marvel since her creation, and she really is like a her IRL.
I disagree a bit on the team bit, at least for the Champions and Inhumans. The Champions focused great amount on real life social problems, and when it went into comic stuff it became Saturday morning cartoon like stuff, plus allowed young heroes of other books showing up in her's and their's. So the from the whole Mark Waid when he split ANAD Avengers into 2 teams I feel like Marvel kinda agrees with her being on the Avengers was weird but still hanging out with other young heroes was good. As for the Inhumans she appeared very rarely a funeral, and to help out with some action, plus Lockjaw played a decent role in her first book. The biggest thing we saw her with other Inhumans was Secret Warriors (though they went by Warriors) during the Secret Empire event. Which could be the reason she didn't have a tie-in for the event in her own book. That "New York's Mutant Superhero" made me convinced this book is not for her. Question is that a space between SUPER and HERO @14:21?
The end of the original run left Kamala in such a cool place, with her family knowing her identity and the really cool setup that her powers were actually time-travel based. And then a new writer took over and kinda undid/ignored most of it
I read Ms. Marvel's original run earlier this year, and was pleasantly surprised. The arcs had their up and downs and sometimes, she had to make hard decisions. It was very grounded, and I liked how it tackled contemporary issues, (Especially the misplaced disrespect towards younger generations). It's kinda a shame we've gone away from that. Still, I love the character. She and Moon Girl are my two favorite inhuman superheroes.
How a company SHOULD handle it when they have a popular character: “Hey! This character is popular! Let’s be very careful with how we proceed in order to keep this popularity going.” How companies ACTUALLY handle popular characters: “Hey! This character is on fire! Let’s spread that fire out as wide as possible over tons of different franchises/movies/books so the flame spread!” The flame never spreads. It just dies.
I mean you say that but there have been cases of the flame spreading all over the damn place. Wolverine and Venom come to mind. The problem is that Marvel keeps trying to replicate their successes with those characters with everybody, and most of the time it doesn't work. So I guess I'm fundamentally agreeing with you.
As someone who doesn't read a lot of comics, I picked up Kamala's original run after hearing the hype and was genuinely blown away, it was so amazing. And I think it's telling that when I heard she was getting an MCU show my first thought was "oh no." Basically everything I worried about came true, and now I'm way too bummed out to read more of her stuff, even if it genuinely is good
I know. Ms. Marvel needs a Deathstroke. An old guy with a special hatred towards child superheroes. I'm thinking someone who used to be a hero, they had a sidekick who also was their child. But after the dead of the kid, they decided to retire and become an anti-child superhero activist or something. But after seeing no progress and actually an increase in adolescent crimefighters has decided to actually become the biggest menace these children have ever seen as the ultimate deterrent. And Kamala, who idolizes superheroes and became one because of it and is quite open about it and thus has become their target N°1. Just get me some Marvel people I'll get you the One-Shot zap.
Would've been an interesting continuation off the Kamala's Law arc in Champions, that after it was repealed there was somebody who was staunch against younger heros and could reoccur here or there.
New villain idea. Gaslighter. Has the power to gaslight people to get away with crimes. It's not full mind control or memory erasure. But it's the same family. Basically their victim belive that what happened was supposed something different to what it actually did, they take the blame for stuff they didn't do or think that the reason the Gaslighter did something was for a good cause I swear. This will put Miss Marvel into hot water, she will doubt herself and she will have to move carefully and quickly in order to clear her name and defeat this foe before they have a chance to gaslight her again.
As a person who went to a summer program like that, it was pretty relatable. I also did a summer semester living in a dorm in the same city as my parents, everything on campus was still relatively active because people were taking summer courses, I saw college clubs and programs as well. I think they should age up Kamala and they've been sitting on the edge of doing that for a while, but letting her be in that weird space between highschool and college is fine.
Okay, overall I agree with your thesis here, Drake. Hate the fact that just as Blue Beetle and Cassie Caine are coming back into their own at DC, my fav Marvel character is hitting a slump. But I do have two points of contention here as a fellow Kamala fan. 1. I overall agree Kamala needs some work done on her rogues, but she has strong villains besides Inventor. Lockdown was a really good foil for Kamala in the second half of Wilson's run, showing the kind of authoritarian, might-makes right logic Kamala is utterly opposed to. Discord had interesting pathos as being a classmate of Kamala and being a good metaphor for how many young men (especially, though not exclusively, straight and white ones) can end up going down dark paths that ruin their lives just out of a fear of change and feeling like they are being left behind by the world. And Doc.X is a fun villain, and one that could be very scary in this modern digital age where there are so many different ways to hack people's private info. So there are characters writers can build upon, but I will concede that *more* needs to be done. 2. I disagree about Kamala and the Champions. Avengers? Sure, that was too soon a leap given how new she still was. X-Men? Oh heck yes, only there for dumb synergy reasons and now just means she will be effected by whatever new way Marvel wants to fuck around with the Mutant status quo every five or so years. But the Champions? Now, admittedly I'm something of a Champions stan (jn spite of Waid's writing in the original run), but I think Kamala is a great fit for the team. The team is an extension of her morals as a character: good is not a thing you are, it's a thing you do. She saw how Carol was willing to risk throwing innocent people in jail for crimes they hadn't even done yet, and how the other Avengers were just putting out fires and not thinking about core issues. And so her being on the team and serving as part of the team's moral core makes perfect sense. But like I said, overall I agree. I do hold out hope things will turn around, given the nature of comics. But I fear it might take as long as it did for Jamie Rayes (13 years) or Cassie Caine (17 years) to get back into their groove again. And hell, even Jamie coming back still involved him leaving El Paso and his family, so...
Yeah, I agree on 2, I was surprised with that issue because I think she can work really well on teams. She's got a pretty distinct mix of annoying kid fangirl energy but also natural leadership skills that make her fun to bounce off other characters. It just has to be the right team. Tossing her into the Avengers so fast was a mistake, but I could see an older, more mature Kamala eventually making her way back to the team, maybe even leading it.
Kamala Khan’s Ms Marvel was the very first comic series I ever read. I had never cared about comics before but she made me care. I love everything about her and her comics, but there is definitely a problem. I’m devastated on how she’s being handled and I’m so scared. But at least I can still read her original run any time
Thank you for the clarification about Kamala's educational status. I read a lot of her comics a few years ago and got back into her comic book issues after her most recent death in the Spider-Man run. Yet when I was checking out her new X-Men appearences and NYX I was confused and was trying to check if her character is now in college or not and got really confusing results so thank you for that.
I’d argue Miles also doesn’t have any villains with staying power. Some of the rogues you mentioned weren’t originally his villains, Prowler-Peter Parker (before spider-verse, how popular do you think Prowler was?), Bombshell-Peter Parker. Others are either derivative/uninspired, or done to death. Selim-clone(the saga ended no more please), Assessor-generic smart villain, and sadly, Rabble is the most original, and they’ve mastered her.(I had to look her up, I don’t know everything.) Miles still has loads of potential, yet Marvel(comics) has no idea what to do with him.
If they really want to give her extra pizazz, they should just make it so she's the only character who has access to both her mutant and inhuman genes in order to give rise to her adjusting to her conflicting powersets, which sorta relives the awkwardness of when she was first learning to use her powers, kind of like a soft reboot. That would be able to get her back to her more grounded roots while also setting up some interesting storylines in the future.
Personally for me I think marvel has really made ms marvel in comics kind of obsolete which actually sucks because ms marvel Kamala Kahn is a good character but they just don’t know what to do with her sadly.
4:45 Honestly this might be an unpopular opinion but I prefer the Black Shirt design for Superboy over the goofy 90s outfit maybe it's because I'm a young justice fan and am more used to It but I generally prefer that suit
@@leithaziz2716 Definitely agreed there sometimes simpler designs are the most effective. Plus I'll be honest the classic superboy suit I just dislike because it screams dated 90s design to me I'm generally not a fan of most extreme 90s costumes and the classic superboy suit gives me those same vibes
What on earth was Innuendo trying to insinuate? Was he trying to make all the Sonic fans angry or say no one likes him? Of course people love Sonic, regardless of what decade they’re in!
@@benmalsky9834 I don't particularly find Innuendo's argument to be compelling, and it's been a while since I've watched it, but his point is that due to the perceived and constant change of what is considered to be cool, this has resulted in the franchise chasing and dropping trends to stay relevant, causing the creation of multiple distinct and clashing interpretations of the character, his world, and gameplay, creating an identity crisis that it effectively impossible to solve, as SEGA tries to cater to everyone who holds a preference for one style over another. There are a couple of major problems with this model, but I'll focus on the two main ones. Coolness is something that is much of a constant as it is a trend, because it is something that this constructed, with distinct ideas about what it is and how it is expressed by different people across different times and spaces, but nevertheless is shared and spread. As well, I don't think the franchise's multiple interpretations is something that is unique to Sonic itself, and is an attribute that is shared by pretty much every media franchise, by the fact that they are managed, and authored by teams of people, who contribute their own ideas and conceptions to the core themes and concepts of the worlds they create, and that they exist across multiple mediums, with their own opportunities and constraints at presenting a message.
@ Well like I said, I’m okay with any direction that Sonic goes in, so it doesn’t matter how different it can get, Sonic is always still Sonic to me. I have no preference because I like the series as a collective whole.
@ Personally, I don’t believe that Sonic really has an “identity crisis” because even if there are different styles and tones, people still enjoy it. It’s really only a crisis if people don’t like the sudden shifts, and thankfully I am one of the people who still enjoys Sonic no matter what changes stylistically, tonally or gameplay wise.
"Here's why Kamala was a great character on debut" *Lists every reason i dislike her core concept* "Now, all of that is cringy by today's standards" Nah, i remember cringing at her when she came out.
When a character feels forced, it very rarely works. Marvel didn't naturally let her popularity build up. They straight away started pushing her into group shots and video games of the classic and most popular Marvel characters as if she were one of them but she stood out like a sore thumb.
Kamala Khan is getting turned into the marvel comics' Scrappy Doo. When Scrappy Doo first appeared in Scooby, he saved it from cancellation. Then executive meddling caused him to be oversaturated in the show, trying to put him everywhere to the detriment of other characters and he slowly over time became hated and is now nothing more than a joke. This is pretty much what Kamala is getting pushed into, they're trying to put her everywhere and use everything, and not keep her focused. The problem is that Marvel thinks doing that WORKS because it has worked with characters like Wolverine and Spider-Man, who could just be tossed into other books to make them more marketable, but Kamala doesn't have that history, including as you noted, the villains. So she's walking more the path of Scrappy than of Wolverine or Spider-Man.
Lmao history , villains? Neither of these characters had that when they were pushed everywhere lmao wolverine did not not roginate in his own comic or have much of a history
Characters originating in other comics isn't a big deal. Spider-man originated in Amazing Fantasy, then moved on to Amazing Spider-Man. Wolverine originated in Incredible Hulk and moved on to X-men and didn't get his own comic for like 8 years after his first appearance. Even Ms. Marvel cameo'ed in Captain Marvel some months before her book kicked off. As to not having much of a history before they were pushed everywhere? Wtf are you smoking? Both spider-man and wolverine started really getting pushed everywhere in the 2000's, almost 30 years after wolverine's first appearance and 40 after spider-man's. Spider-man WAS famous for a long time, and he had a team in the 80s...in a cartoon show (with his 'amazing friends' Iceman/Firestar), and then like 3 chapters of Fantastic Four where it was him/Wolverine/Hulk/Ghost Rider. The 2000s, following the popularities of the live action movies and the cartoon shows from the 90s, wanted to put both of them everywhere, with both joining multiple Avenger teams, and Wolverine being active in like 3-5 x-men teams simultaneously including x-force and whatever other teams. However back in the 80s-90s wolverine was generally associated with a single x-team, though he did cameo in other x-teams. He basically got DEVELOPED in x-books, because he was mostly a throwaway Hulk character that eventually found a stable footing, and as mentioned earlier, didn't even get his own book for a few years after being put on x-men, and hell, he was initially almost cut from that book except John Byrne went to bat for the guy. Again, they had 30-40 years of comics before they got pushed heavily onto various other teams, outside of cameo bits like the Fantastic Four thing. Ms. Marvel? Two years after she was created she's tossed into Avengers. Not even a year after that, the Champions. I forget when she got pulled into Inhumans, but it wasn't long after that. Inhumans aren't popular anymore and X-men are back in marvel's movie plans, so now she's in X-men. It's been a decade and she's been pushed around four teams, none of which have anything to do with the other. All the teams are completely different and unrelated. Wolverine at least had the excuse that most of his teams were all X-teams. And again, one decade for her. One third the time before Wolverine joined Avengers and a quarter the time for Spider-man. Team-up/cameos, all of them have had for their entire history, but we were specifically talking about teams and teams they've been long associated with. A three chapter fantastic four story, or short stories like Team-Up comics do not a team make. Also, if you somehow don't think Spider-man or Wolverine had villains in those 30-40 years, I don't even know what else to say, really. Am I missing some sort of important team pushing that Spider-Man/Wolverine got before 2000s outside of that super short-lived FF story?
@@Cerisse_ wolverine bring part of the xmen is him still being pushed buddy. It isn't a excuse he wants original created to be that. Even if spiderman isn't officially part of these teams he has still been used and put in their stories multiple times
Especially perplexing is that, since a big part of her character is fighting for civil rights, she already has an excuse to interact with the Xmen cast. They could even still have her face discrimination for being a mutant, cause people are basically going to assume she's one when she defends the Xmen.
The original creators planned for her to be a mutant but it was the directive from Marvel execs not to introduce new mutant characters into the comics and instead make her an inhuman, so I like this change and think it makes more sense for her to be a mutant, it's more in line with her character's core issues: tackling prejudice was a huge element of her early comics, and so is the scary and confusing reality of adolescence, both thematically fit much better with her as a mutant than the useless and boring Inhumans. Maybe the change was clunky, but I think it's ultimately for the best.
I don't think not having memorable villains is that big of a deal. Lots of B-List superheroes don't have the luxury of having a mainstay rogues gallery. Who are Martian Manhunter's or Ant-Man's villains? Hell, even some heavy hitters don't have a clear archenemy or nemesis. Iron Man? Hulk? Green Arrow? Your favourite and my favourite superhero, Booster Gold, has pretty much no memorable villains to call his own. His stories are still great though
For Martian Manhunter are the Human Flame and Ma'alefa'ak. For Ant-Man are Egghead, Whirlwind, Scarlet Bettle, and more weirdos. For Iron Man is the Mandarin. For Hulk is Leader. For Green Arrow is Merlyn.
as a fellow Ms Marvel fan i 100% agree. her being an Inhuman and living and superheroing in Jersey City with her wonderful supporting cast was what made her unique. she's not the save the world hero, she the save the corner market hero, which is refreshingly different, going against the tired notion that bigger stakes make for better stories. i also agree that her rogues gallery is woefully underdeveloped (i did think when she was briefly appeared years ago that Kaboom was a good 'punching bag' villain for Big M, like how Shocker is for Spidey). what i would do, if i had total control, is make a Ms Marvel animated series that has a hard 'Small Time Heroics in Jersey City' rule that is as much a sitcom with her friends and family as her fighting fun D-list villains. Have Iman Vellani do the voice (and be in the writers room) as she is as perfect a casting as Chris Reeve and Hugh Jackman.
Even with Peter Parker taking so long to become an Avenger, that single act has severely damaged his characterization ever since. It was the stepping stone to him being known as a multiversal hero instead of a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. It has been heartbreaking to see Kamala Khan speedrun a similar path.
This video and other videos you have posted have outlined the one thing that I hate about superhero comics, and that's the sliding time line of stagnation. Literally all the problems result from the fact they have to build the rails as they drive the train. It's why I love the Ultimate comics, because those had a beginning, middle, and end, where characters could develop over arcs, and death was a consequence rather than an inconvenience. Of course, you can always say that "oh, just stop reading after this writer leaves, or this writer enters" and that's perfectly fine, that's what I've done with X-Men and Spider-Man, but if you do that's still unsatisfying. I wish MARVEL had the audacity and daring to pull a Crisis on Infinite Earths and just nuke the entire multiverse. Scratch all comic book runs, reset every single character, bring everything back to the drawing board, and let their writers and artists do something new. Then, in like four or six years, nuke it again. Rinse and repeat, something new, something daring, each and every time. I know I can't be alone in this sentiment since Ultimate Spider-Man is vastly more popular and more acclaimed than ASM right now.
I dont see this as negative i see it as very well deserved constructive criticism. Im not even really a fan of Ms Marvel, ive read the initial comics and it was pretty good. Like ya said Drake i feel like they never let Khmala cook and its back to square on at the start of the new volume. Other thing is just being a pawn for the whims of MCU. Like i said im not the biggest fan of the character but when i see something that could be done better it see critics as vaild. Btw would you ever do a TMNT video i think it would be great
It's been long enough. Let's see Kamala graduate to becoming Captain Marvel like what Carol did before her and give her stories about carrying the burden of taking on another name used by a white hero.
It sounds like Kamala Khan is more or less suffering from the same issues as MCU Spider-Man: not having enough grounded street level adventures in her own neighborhood, no villains of her own that stand out on their own with Kamala and being forced into major teams right before she’s debuted.
I love Ms. Marvel; but I think the writers should've brought up the Inventor sooner in the comics, along with her jock classmate and her evil ex and have them appear more often. It would be great if Nakia, Zoe and/or Bruno developed or received powers. Like one of them gaining either lighting powers, water bending abilities or a symbiote similar to Venom attached to them and have them team up Kamala occasionally.
@mayotango1317 I know it sounds like something from Miraculous Ladybug, but the powers that I've mentioned would be more useful than a number of the powers/miraculouses. I understand that everyone shouldn't be a superhero and it feels like something from My Hero Academia or Miraculous if nearly everyone got powers.
Yeah as someone who finally decided to try reading comics and got Marvel Unlimited, wanting to read Young Avengers and Ms. Marvel, I agree to an extent. I do disagree that she shouldn’t be in team books, as I really like her relationship with Iron Man, Captain Marvel, and other Champions like Miles and Viv. But yeah she is at her best with her human friends. I felt the best senerio would be having her in team books as Ms. Marvel, but when she’s in her own series focus on Kamala her friends. That was one of the biggest issues with the recent New Mutant run, the lack of side characters like Zoey and Nakia. I also hard disagree with first run feeling outdated. As someone who was around 10 when that came out but didn’t really use the internet that much it still feels fine, with just some outdated internet terms. Heck the main conflict about the Inventor taking advantage of young people’s loneliness and lack of self worth hit even harder when I read it a decade later. But yeah I found it odd how little they bring villians back. Like they’ll create one off villians, maybe bring them back for another minor fight then poof gone. Like I know the Inventor is goofy but he legitimately has great nemesis potential. He’s memorable, can somehow be intimidating (like his Dark Web appearance went hard), and has that really interesting motive/story potential. They literally gave him a bunch of birdy underlings, why aren’t they recurring villians? I really noticed this issue when reading an annual comic, and Mr. Marvel was fighting a one off electric villian. But she already has an electric based villian, Kaboom. She’s the opposite of Kamala, hates normal humans, thinks Inhumans are superior, Ms. Marvel defeated her boss, and broke her neck. Why isn’t she a vengeful recurring villain. Ms. Marvel’s weakness is electricity, why doesn’t she have an electric villain. Also Kamran could really work in this age of alpha males. Honestly after reading the pretty good New Mutant run, I read this one issue in Infinity Watch since she was in it. And it weirdly felt more Ms. Marvel than the actual Ms. Marvel series I read. Like it brought back her friends for a lot of it, gave us good moments, and romantic Bruno moments, despite being one issue in some else’s story. And brought back the Inventors, treating them funny goofy villains, she had to deal with on a weekly basis. I was like where’s this story? Also I feel another issue not mentioned was the weird amount of memory wiping, so people forget her hero identity. Like her parents forgetting was one of the weaker parts of the otherwise great Magnificent MM run. But since she died, her friend’s memories had to wiped in the recent run. But I feel like this destroys a lot of story potential. One of the best parts is her friends knowing about her identity and being there to support her. She doesn’t need to make an excuse to leave. It’s also really funny when they force her to have fun and not be a hero all the time. However, I feel like there’s great potential to make an epic Ms. Marvel run. This isn’t like Spiderman were the mistakes are lasting ones baked into the narrative. They’re quick and easy fixes. Just focus on her interpersonal life, bring back some of her villains, and bake them into the book’s themes. Like I really like that despite everything she’s done, Jersey City is split on her just because she identifies as a mutant. And even the side that hates her, a lot of people recognize the good she’s done and are even in denial like saying she’s a clone made by the X-men. It could be a really good point on how people are fine with something, but once their told to hate the newest talking point, it’s an issue. It could also be a great meta point of how Inhumans and Mutants are practically the same thing but being a mutant gets you so much more hate. Also New Mutant brings up how wrong it was for the X-men to just wipe her friends minds without their permission, which could be interesting. Sorry for the rant, just spewed out
Hmm... Teen superhero that's a breath of fresh air with great potential in terms of writing ✅ Writers can't explore new interesting directions due to status quo (or editorial mandates✅ Feels like the character is stagnating for a while and feels like no one knows what do with them✅ Power set being adjusted to match live action counterpart✅ You know, add a ton of suffering in her life and she's truly taking on her mantle as Gen-Z Spider-Man
FYI In the Marvel’s Champion Card Game, Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) hero pack which contains a pre-built deck and a nemesis deck, usually someone iconic for said hero or one of their rouges, well of course her nemesis, as Drake said, is The Inventor Addendum Since you did Ms. Marvel you should probably Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur since that was another character that survived the Inhuman takeover though the version people know for sure is the one MG AND DD TV show.
As much as people love to hate, honestly she's been doing fine. the killing and resurrection was super clunky and bad but everything she's been in since then has been excellent
@@asmodeusguys4472 love I'm actually reading the books and making my own conclusions, not just going with the popular consensus of an online mob of people who haven't read a comic book in their life
Kamala Khan introduction was definitely a welcome one. In my opinion, her being a positive Muslim role model was a plus. However, G Willow Wilson's run was immense. Tne way she was written in relation to her upbringing. And her embodiment of becoming a superhero was a truly fantastic read. Yes Drake, you are completely correct. Marvel pushed her into becoming an Inhuman. A abysmal weak team of false mutants. However, her becoming a mutant in the MCU and comics will hopefully propel her frint and centre.
My problem is that it’s a really bad idea to have a character of a certain faith in a series where the story contradicts it. Especially in the tv show where she can do magic and im pretty sure that ms marvel isn’t from the sect where they think practicing magic won’t get you sent to hell
Honestly, I kind of wish they went with the story they started with, that the Inhumans told her she had to obey the king of her race, and she just said no. And just kept trying to be her own person, wary of authority as the Inhuman crown kept trying harder and harder to influence and curtail her to rules and laws she never agreed to. Turning into the true warrior of people being forced to not be who they are and aspire to be.
Despite being neutral on faith-topics at the moment, I did enjoy Kamala being a positive role model to that community of people. And I genuinely liked that she never took a self-righteous attitude when it comes to her ideals. Her compassion and struggle to find a place in the world is what struck a lot of people's heart from all around the world, and I think that's something that could have easily been handled poorly.
In spite of liking her show I was still frustrated that they 1. Didn't even try adapting Edison at all and 2. Didn't give her a second season. What If...?, that "animated anthology, but not" got THREE SEASONS and maybe their best show that could have justified a second season didn't? Also: Introducing her on the story they did was VERY reductive.
You really didn't get what drake was saying, did you? The fact that Kamala was an Inhuman was not important at all, she wasn't part of the team. She always done her own things. She could team up with mutants, inhumans, etc... It didn't matter because she was in such a unique spot. Now that she's mutant #8756, she doesn't get to shine as a wild card.
14:01 thanks i hate it 😍 thank god i never added this mess of comic to my ms marvel collection i knew they would shoehorn in her green lantern powers somehow
KID KAIJU MENTIONED! I love Kid Kaiju, please bring him back Marvel. The main point I agree on is that they should've aged Kamala up and just put her in College by now. Also Fallen friend was a horrible event 100%. Most of the other stuff you talk about I don't agree with. 1. Her villains are not as bad as you say they are. The problem is that they are mostly one offs and could really benefit from beeing reused more often, like Spideys villains are. The basis is there, they are just not beeing pushed enough. 2. They did a lot of really interesting stuff with Kamala in the team books. That All-New Avengers run with her, Miles and Sam Alexander beeing the new kids on the team and clashing with the older members was super interesting, especially in how it ended. Her forming the Champions as an NGO bend on helping people and staying out of superhero fights was also fun and interesting. I agree that later Champions arcs and runs got worse in that aspect, but the original idea was superb. 3. NYX is a really good book and even though I miss Kamalas original supporting cast the themes the book touches upon are super interesting and Kamala has some great chemistry with the other young X-characters in the comic. The original Ms. Marvel run was amazing and I'd also love for Marvel to return Kamala to her roots and make her a modern age Spider-Man in Jersey city with memorable villains and an amazing side cast (A lot of things the OG run had). But with NYX they have found a great place for Kamala in the comic universe and her stories are very different from where she started, but again pretty good. She was in Limbo (not literally lol) for a pretty long time after the original run ended and I am pretty happy that Marvel seems to have found a new place for her. TLDR.: OG Ms. Marvel was very good, but the recent storys (mainly NYX) are also pretty good. I would've agreed with this video 1 year ago, but now I am not so sure. I feel like there is some nostalgia talking here.
2:45 - 2:58 as someone who used tumblr, i'm gonna say "take off the rose tinted glasses buddy." peak internet was '08-'12, the time you're describing is not the heyday but the start of a downward spiral.
god, as a current college student, what i would GIVE for kamala to go to college and get a school-based street level internal focused story again to relate it to the current decade's youth issues. kinda similar to like where invincible season 2 went, but without the galactic level threats and all that.
"The quirky not like other girls trope that plays video games has aged poorly" God there was a huge smile on my face when you said that. Even back then every time one of these characters talked I couldn't hear dialogue. All I could hear was "FIND ME RELATABLE! FIND ME RELATABLE!"
@@benmalsky9834 *sigh* You understand the difference between making fun of a trope and understanding that people exist in real life, right? Let's say, blond people exist. Right? And petty people exist last time I checked. But there is this movie that has a very stereotypical blond petty character. If I make fun of the generic writing, that's not me denying the existence of real life people.
The definition of main character syndrome. There is always another person similar to you. I don't think there's such thing as not like other girls unless you are a girl with snake arms.
0:06 Who? 0:07 Yes, sort of. 4:47 I like Conner Kent with the black t-shirt and jeans because it makes him look like he’s in his early-to-mid 20s. 9:48 No, no, no. We don’t talk about Bruno.
Hearing young people say "oh you used to be allowed to like things on the internet" is such weird retcon nostalgia. The internet was so much more toxic back in the good old days, people would tear each other to pieces at the drop of a hat. You just misremember it because you were a kid.
There was absolutely shittiness all over the internet since the very beginning, but it was a lot less pronounced and a lot less in your face than now. Yes, things were more of echo chambers because algorithms weren't pushing other people's stuff at you on a regular basis. When you went to a social media platform, you were seeing what was posted and reposted by the people you followed. Now if you go on Twitter, its Discovery feed is the main one and it's full of garbage. Not to mention that Musk forces his own posts into people's feeds on the regular.
@ComicDrake Using Twitter as an example definitely shows recency bias. I can't remember one time in the last 8 years that Twitter or X ever had a rational thought that wasn't about attacking others.
14:37 this right here perfectly describes how i felt about this whole thing. (Becuase yeah, she was basically the only inhuman people cared about. She was pretty much the wolverine of the inhumans. But now, she's just another mutant.)
Honestly NYX might be my favorite X book right now. I agree she feels shoehorned in, but I’m glad she’s there. And I’m not sure I agree she’s doesn’t or can’t have a niche in the X-men. Her personality (being the hopeful optimistic teen super hero) still seems pretty unique to me, and made her well suited to the kinds of missions the champions went on. But I agree there have also been a LOT of missteps
Dude killing off kamala in a Spiderman issue, as if she’s a spidey side character was nuts. The mutant thing. Power change. So lame. Everything done with her character in recent history is just malpractice. She went from new spidey to 2010’s wally west. “Ehhh just try anything”
I like what the MCU is doing ten times better than whatever the comics had. Forget the whole Mutants/Inhumans angle, I miss the Pakistani magical girl who gets her powers from another dimension.
@ammonite0257 If you're talking about the one she had in The Marvels, I agree. It's kind of all over the place and I liked the one she had at the end of the series (that she'd basically only just assembled at that point) much better
4:12 “cool is not built to last?” Ok explain DBZ? Devil may cry, tekken. They are cool forever. Like sonic. Idk who that voice clip was from but they wrong.
Ah ms marvel the character that got me into comics and the mcu. The character that got me to watch A.O.S because of the inhuman connection, i play her in every marvel related video game media she is in (from the mess of the avengers game to future fight) She is such a special character to me and to see how her character has become a shadow of her formal self pisses me off. The... interesting depiction of ms marvel in the mcu literally gutted my interest in her and stopped me from watching any mcu content to this day. I really hope they treat her character with the care she deserves going forward but i doubt that will happen. I do wanna say iman vellani IS ms marvel but what a waste of a perfect casting. I truly hate her awkward mutant djinn storyline that makes little sense the more you think about it and how it has affected her appearances in marvel related media going forward.
I find it ironic that from 2015 to 2017 The Inhumans had only one goal, replace the X-Men because Disney didn’t have the X-Men film rights that were with 20th Century Fox at the time, and The Inhumans failed. Now Ms. Marvel, a very famous Inhuman has now been retconned into being a Mutant because Brand Synergy after the Disney+ tv show, and The Inhumans are the ones who are tossed aside because Disney finally got the X-Men rights after buying out Fox.
well she was always supposed to be a mutant
@@oscarkamalaI straight up didn't know that until a year ago.
I do hope gives the Inhumans a second chance and even the Eternals.
If Drake reads this, a video analyzing the situation of the Inhumans as a brand after their failed attempt to replace the Mutants would be interesting. In my opinion, it would be interesting if the Inhumans and the Eternals fall under the same editorial department of the Mutants and new joint plots are created between the three races analyzing their similarities and differences, and this same thing could be replicated in the MCU
@oscarkamala sure. but honestly, I feel like making her a inhuman instead was the best decision they made with her. (Since it allowed her to stand out and be her own thing instead of "just another x-men character".)
My biggest gripe with the current Ms Marvel stories is that her supporting cast has been seriously downplayed. Kamala's family and friends are remarkably fleshed out. Their own arcs and developments being as much of a draw as hers. Lately though, they've barely been seen, and have even had parts of said developments undone for seemingly no good reason. Nakia, Zoe and Mike aren't allowed to remember Ms. Marvel's identity because Emma Frost is suddenly really rubbish at rewriting people's memories? It's frustrating.
Also, can we just address how stupid the reveal of her mutant power is? Yes, I know. Corporate synergy. That's why her mutant power is light constructs. But given the fact they aren't having it manifest (not a complaint. It's an observation. I will always champion her having embiggening powers), what's even the point? I would have had it that her mutant power is simply to be a mutant who can also be an Inhuman. Her genes could act as a way of making Terrigen mist non-toxic to mutants or something. Would have been a pretty meta way of putting all that to rest.
Also she isn't the first mutant-Inhuman Hybrid, though Marvel seems to have forgotten that. Quicksilver and Crystal's daughter Luna Maximoff was one first, and while he isn't a mutant anymore, he was one when Luna was first created.
THEY ERASIED HER FRIEND'S MEMORY TOO?! I thought it was bad enough when the Ahmed run undid her mom knowing she was a hero (even if the Wilson run barely did anything with it).
On the supporting cast bit, I think that she also suffers from a wider Marvel problem where the civilian identity is seem more as a crux than an actual asset to the character. The whole point of why Marvel is a big success in the first place was that the heroes were real people behind the mask. Taking away the human side of it and only sticking with the costume really makes all these characters a blend of the same bland flavor
Embiggening? That's an ugly ass word if I've ever seen one
On the second point, they hinted a few times that her mutant powers may eventually manifest. A couple characters said something like, "Hey, we might be able to figure out how to unlock your mutant power for you," and she was just like, "Eh, I'm good, let's just see if it happens naturally."
Then in the Marvel 85th Anniversary Special, there's a story that takes place in the future where an adult Kamala has BOTH her Inhuman stretchy powers and her mutant construct powers, and uses them together in interesting ways.
So unless they change their mind (which, y'know, it's comics, so that's totally possible), they've set up a potentially awesome moment where she'll finally unlock her mutant power and get a big upgrade.
Stopped reading Miss Marvel after they had a whole arc about her parents finding out and learning to accept her being a superhero, only to end the arc by erasing their memories and returning to the status quo for no reason. It's a shame how marvel keeps sabotaging Kamala.
dude, after she died they mindwiped most of her friends so now they don't remember either...
Marvel's insistence an always returning to the status quo makes it really tough to want to keep reading pretty much anything they do
One of the reasons why Marvel keeps “sabotaging her” is that She’s not that interesting if you really think about it
I just want to bring up it's really weird and dumb how they keep trying to put her with Peter Parker and push their team ups as if Peter is a teenager around her age while at the same time slowly splitting up the team ups between her and Miles.
That's the thing about Marvel, Marvel really want that main earth Peter to be a teenager, even do he stop being one DECADES ago.
Marvel's execs demand Peter Parker to act like a teen that it actually makes him feel like a failure. Johnny Storm feels now feels more mature and that's wrong.
It really lays bare how much of a midlife crisis the Spider-Office has...
@@lesliejacoby9137 Definitely a bit odd when there's another Spider-Man floating around named Miles Morales that can relate a bit more with Kamala.
@@majestyzx9081 it's the fact her and Miles were also already having team ups and peter and her already had the experienced mentor guide with younger heroine relationship going in their few interactions (miles and her more in comparison definitely). Now they have changed it.
"I'm New York City's mutant superhero." What's Marvel DOING?! New York has enough superheroes! New Jersey having its own superhero opened up the Marvel world a little, like Howard the Duck in Ohio before it. And just like Howard before her, here she is, settling in New York City, the only place allowed to exist in Marvel, evidently.
That's why Savage Dragon being set in Chicago was such a breath of fresh air in the early 90s
They need to move the comics office to a cheaper city. Savannah, GA would be nice. Then they could have characters outside the greater New York area. New Yorkers don't really believe the rest of the world exists.
New Jersey can't have anything I suppose.
I wish we could see some love for southwestern cities like Albuquerque or El Paso
Its funny how this is basically the same general issue as Spider-Gwen. Character who blew up in the early 2010s, made their way into the mainstream via movies, corporate synergy requires them to always be associated with whatever said movie used them for and as a result they end up being removed from their original setting and original cast in favor of forcing them into whatever contrived scenario they can to make them as close to the films as possible.
Gwen Stacy had her neck broken in 1973 and have continued to drag her name from Sins Past to Spider Gwen
And now history is kind of repeating itself yet again with Gwenpool.
Except they just kinda dropped the ball completely of their own accord since she doesn’t have any movies or anything yet.
One of my problems is that they made her being a muslim and Pakistani-American out to be this big thing, but aren't really brave enough to do anything daring with it. Daredevil got to grapple with his faith from multiple angles, from his violent acts being decidedly not Christian to rectifying the existence of the supernatural and aliens with his Catholic beliefs.
Ms. Marvel has none of that. It's set dressing that would hardly change if she was Hindu or Buddhist, or if her family came from any other country. Her Tumblrina personality could adapt with the times, maybe even get ribbed for it by other heroes, but a lack of ambition or balls for her stories is a bigger hurdle.
Why would Daredevil ever have a problem with the existence of Supernatural beings and aliens when Catholic theology acknowledges both? Also, Daredevil is far from the only Catholic character in Marvel.
@@lukejones7164 Does it acknowledge literal pagan deities that he can see and talk to? Be in a bloody team up with, who can give first hand accounts of events he thought were mythological fancies?
I don't know where Thor or Aries come up, but it sure as shit wasn't in Sunday School when I was a kid!
@StrangeCreed Surprisingly yes. The traditional view about Pagan deities in Abrahamic theology was that they were demons, fallen angels, nature spirits, djinn, etc. Not that they didn't exist at all (which is a modern view).
It hurts my brain how weirdly they've been treating her during her cinematic debut.
Killing her off in Spider-Man just to revive her as a mutant was such an odd decision. I would've had Wolverine bring her to Krakoa as an honorary mutant or something.
I hope that some project does this character justice because I really enjoyed the original series from 2014. I need to read the miniseries from Iman Velani since I enjoyed her performance in the show.
The X-Men have had plenty of non-mutant members in the past. Humans, mutates, aliens, robots, and whatever the heck Doop is. So it would hardly be without precedent.
Ironically, I read somewhere once that Kamala was originally going to be mutant right from the start. But it was the era where management was pushing for the Inhumans. Meaning we could have avoided all of this nonsense, and we have yet another reason to be angry at Ike Perlmutter.
You know what's bizarre?
There was a way to revive her as a mutant without causing the controversy. And it was on Judgment Day
Why am I saying this? Because that book makes a big deal that the X-Men will revive Cap with the Krakoan Protocols. Cyclops would've done that for Kamala ASAP
Or… they could’ve retconned that she was a mutant this whole time, and the inhuman genes just exhilarates her x-genes.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios That was exactly what they did, and those mutant Ms. Marvel books still suck.
But now you can enjoy her adventures on NYX... the sixth most important X-Men team.
If you ask me, Ms Marvel would be a perfect hero to tackle the whole young people loneliness epidemic, rising racism, no money, Andrew Tatification of young men dilemmas. She's supposed to be the teen hero facing teen issues. Those are the teen issues of today. I think it could work if you got the right writer.
Exactly! There are so many relevant problems teens/young adults are facing rn that Ms. Marvel could address in really interesting ways!
Thats dumb.
I don't really think she'd be all that good for Andrew Tate related male issues. The main thing she could do is notice someone else being influenced like that and respond to it. while that is a response, it's not really one I see as being made more or less relevant or insightful by it being the same age category. If she were a guy, she could give a perspective from that group, but that's not the case. There's definitely modern female equivalents she could talk about, though. Tiktok stuff comes to mind in particular.
That would be awesome but you know how that would go. Hate would fly at that comic in an instant! I'm all hear for it though, but yeah... should be an interesting 4 years. To see if comics continue to be the bastion they have always been or if will they start to avoid certain topics like the ones mentioned. But yeah, make no mistake I think that is a great idea. It just brings out the worrying idiot in me. Comics look like there going to have to be great escape again.
"Right Writer" confused me for a moment
Feels like the Marvel equivalent of Jon Kent. Jon was one of the best new things DC had created in years but then everything that was fun and interesting about the character was permanently undone by Bendis to essentially make him a worse Superman. I don’t hate the character now and I’ve read some okay stuff with Jon recently, but man his adventures as a kid were something special.
I still pray that they find away to bring back kid Jon. Not in the way where we erase current Jon. Like maybe some time travel or clone shenanigans. Just to bring back the Jon who could grow up and mature normally. Even have good stories about his sexuality, with him dealing with its development as a teenager.
@@dallasgrey4247 he grew up int a alternate universe at this point
I hate the forced aging of Jon Kent. What made him special is we WOULD have watch him grow. Bendis took that from us.
@deviousj5868 eh nah who cares kids instantly grow in comics fast
@ I sometimes wonder whoever thought putting Bendis on Superman was a good idea. The only superheroes he’s ever had good runs on are street level characters. Which I think he understands, as he purposely brought the Avengers into that realm to write a good-ish run.
Kamala was THE Jersey City superhero. It was refreshing that she had an identity outside of Marvel’s overcrowded NYC, and it really felt like her home. Every time I’ve been to Jersey City I’ve thought of her. Stripping her home city away and making her just another NYC hero was one of many, many mistakes that they need to fix.
Why does anyone even want to live in the Marvel NYC? It's a mess where your life is at risk at every corner. Not like our world NYC is exceptionally safe either.
@@susear5939 I mean by this logic any fictional city is a terrible place to live
This is why I prefer DC. Almost every hero has their own hub.
Right? That made sense thematically with her being a hero for the forgotten about, with Jersey City being just across the river yet no hero ever stepping foot there.
Jersey City is just across the river from NYC so I always thought it was odd how people treat it as a drastically different location.
If Marvel wants iconic villains for Kamala that fit then here are a few ideas that can fit with her teen street level crime fighting
-Go the Static Shock route and give her villains that are jerks/turfs with powers
-Maybe give her villains who became villains out of desperation due to the current system
-Perhaps she could have villains that represent how she has been treated by Marvel, villains that try to force Kamala to take on multiple roles (a street level hero, a team player, an inhuman, a mutant, and maybe even a celebrity)
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Lockdown is by a large margin the best villain Ms. Marvel ever had. Maybe they're hesitant to use her again because she was unfortunately attached to the awful Civil War II event.
It's weird how often Marvel takes a character they don't know what to do with, and makes them a mutant. It happened with Gwenpool, then the new black knight (please give them more stories I beg of you) and now Ms marvel.
Gwenpool's mutant status is weird since it was a “self-retcon”. The reason both Doylist and Watsonian for it because she'd be less likely to be forgotten if she was under the X-Men label (probably the same for the new black knight, but idk who that is).
Ms. Marvel was meant to be a mutant prior to Marvel's decision to shove them to the side. (Better in hindsight since FOX could've fumbled her real hard).
Also it's not like this is abnormal. Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver had their mutant status messed with (at least in the MCU), and a lot of well-established superheroes (most notably Spider-Man) had the X-Men logo on the comics back when they were rising in popularity. (Basically a predecessor to the “Quentin Tarantino presents” tactic.)
Because it introduces them into the world of X-men where they can be killed off easily.
Don't forget Cloak & Dagger.
@@AdamYJ can you explain???
@@AdamYJThey're mutates. Meaning that they have as much relation to mutants as Spider-Man and Ant Man.
I find it sad that Marvel literally created a new Spider-Man like character, and decided to not move forward with it.
I'm gonna get hate for this, but the true essence of Spider-Man is captured so well in Kamala's earlier books. she embodied Spider-Man more than early Miles' comics. She is the nerd with a set of weird creepy powers (remember when Spider-Man was creepy?) that has to balance her personal life with her chaotic superhero stuff. With a new twist focusing on her deep connection to her community, religion, and identity.
It's not hard to make ideas for good Kamala stories. You can make any personal conflict (from depression to climate change) and make a villain out of it to connect to a young audience.
I think Marvel secretly resents Kamala. It's like in recent comics they are trying to erase everything she used to be and replace it with some shallow garbage.
They don't resent her. The problem is Kevin Feige now has creative control over Marvel Comics and has decided comics are just to be a laboratory for the big screen.
thats pretty much exactly what i've thought. like why have they sabotaged this character? are they actually jealous of her success!? omg pls stop! i love kamala SO much. it pains me to see the bull shit she's been through lately.
@@brookeelliott7549Does he really think that? I don’t believe that.
@@brookeelliott7549Feige DOES care about the comics, it’s just that with so many characters, some are gonna get more attention than others.
Funny enough my problem with the Ms Marvel comic was it was absolutely derivative of spiderman and other superhero media. I couldn't get past the first issue
fun fact, Locust was inspired by 'El Chapulín Colorado', who may be the most famous mexican superhero. Chapulín Colorado was created as parody of usa superheroes. While Superman and Batman were brave and strong, Chapulín Colorado was weak and a coward but he still always tried to save the day. He was played by the late Mexican actor, comedian, screenwriter, humorist, director, producer, and author Roberto gomez Bolaños, also known as Chespirito (little Shakespeare), who made some of the most famous tv shows and characters in latin america, he may the most recognizable comedian in all of latin america.
another fun fact, the simpsons character Bumblebee Man is also inspire by El Chapulín Colorado
Oh trust me, I am familiar. 🎺🎺🎺
@@ComicDrake are those trumpets a reference to his intro? 👀 if so, MAS AGIL QUE UNA TORTUGA!
@@ulises4241 Exactamente
Great video! Like you said at the start of the video, we no longer have the Internet where you're allowed to just like stuff so I was apprehensive that this would be a more needlessly mean spirited.
I think Ms Marvel comics are at their best when they're addressing issues that face young people today. Disenfranchisement, radicalisation, and the "standard" stuff like bullying, insecurity, prejudice, etc. For this reason I'd say Kamala's actual most compelling villain, although he barely appears, is Josh/Discord, an angry young man who keeps getting pulled towards fascism. It's relevant, it's impactful, and it gives Kamala's defining empathy opportunity to shine.
It sucks to see her character flailing around aimlessly. I actually think Champions was the perfect place for her, every team needs a moral compass and shot-caller and I felt she filled that role fantastically. Devastated that it got canned.
Given the historic bombing of The Marvels, I'm just worried we're going to see Kamala (and all their plans for her) get tossed in the bin.
Here's to a better future! Hopefully...
Holy crow, did not expect to see you here. Hope you're having a good day.
And yeah, definitely makes sense. I think the big issue is basically that some folks at Marvels, either writers and or editors, kinda seem more focused on doing their own thing rather than an overarchng story. Kamala got the lucky chance to grow into her own despite the circumstances, but now we see what's happening and the issues coming from there. Though talking about Discord, I'm reminded about Soldier, introduced to us in Jed McKay's run of Moon Knight. While helping out Moon Knight, he ends talking with fellow newcomer Reese about how he ended up falling in with HYDRA and it's very much alluding to that sort of "angry white young man" narrative and how organizations like HYDRA exploit that for their own goals.
I don't think Kamala wll be tossed in the bin, but I imagine it will be a while before we see anything new with her, but I think that's become of a lot of poor decsion making by the heads and also potentially the writers.
With early Ms Marvel, it wasn't her villains that mattered, it was her team-ups. Best ever Wolverine team-up.
One of the reasons Iman Vellani was such perfect casting is that having Kamala fangirl while in a team-up was just really fun in the comics, and Vellani is the most authentic fangirl ever cast in a Marvel movie.
Kamala has the opportunity to be the Gen z spiderman. As a Gen z fan she really struck a chord with me. Here’s hoping we get back on track
We already have one. His name is Miles Morales.
She still is.
That was Static Shock in the 2000's for a lot of young teens/adults in that period. Maybe the writers could take inspiration from that character, his supporting cast and villains. The show covered a lot of mature and relevant subject matter. Poverty, bullying, racism and so much more.
Bitch ain’t never gon be no Spider-Man wtf lol
@@Urmumlel7025 we can't have more than one Gen Z superhero?
Ms Marvel has always been awesome as Jersey's street level hero with some occasional crossovers, and day to day family/friend problems. Much like Spider-Man.
Them trying to push her into big team books or cosmic events has really hurt her development.
NYX is the worst X-book out right now, and there are a lot of x-books out right now.
Writing her to wax poetically over New York is completely antithetical to her original character. The writers have lost the plot.
Oh boohoo
@@prdeadpool1380 cope
nah nyx is by no means the worst X-book out right now people just love to hate on kelly and lanzing
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Please, tell me which From The Ashes X-team book is below NYX right now.
Exceptional
Uncanny
X-Men
X-Factor
And X-force
Are all better than NYX and have shown better storytelling and written characters than NYX has. Even titles like Dazzler have been better to this point.
NYX has not been good. It hasn't even been okay, it's been bad. Wolverine in NYX has been bad. Kamala Khan in NYX has been bad. Prodigy has been awful and is a complete opposite of their characterization in the recent past.
Ultimate X-Men, not even a From The Ashes title, has been better than NYX.
Outside of some facsimile books being reprinted right now, NYX is currently the worst X-team book in publication.
Anyone else oddly fixated with the "mic guard" Drake's holding?
It either looks like it's painted with vantablack, or it's just flat-out censored...
Right? Genuinely kept fixating on it during the video & came to comments to see who else notice 😂
I honestly thought it was supposed to be a joke reference in the last video to Absolute Batman's giant logo, so I was pretty surprised to see it back in this one.
I think it may be pulling a Power Girl and getting slightly larger each episode.
I didn't notice it now
I thought it was censored haha
It's kind of upsetting that Marvel finally hit big on a mainstream inhuman, just to make her a mutant.
Marvel very easily could have had both Inhumans and Mutants, side by side. Limitless potential for storytelling.
Inhumans have essentially been designated for the mausoleum with Khan being made a mutant and shoehorned into the X-books.
I feel like the original Superboy design was considered a dated relic of "90s edge" for a while, but over time the leather jacket look kind of looped back around to being cool again
Viewed from a certain angle, it kind of worked for Superboy. Because the basic pitch for the Kid was "Young Superman if he were a bit of a delinquent". He was like a teenage superhero if he were a character from S.E. Hinton's The Outsiders. Not a bad kid, but hotheaded, impulsive, flirtatious with no parents to help smooth out the rough edges and a very uncertain future. You've got to remember that at the time Superman was still keeping his identity a secret from him and was thus a bit distant (Clark wasn't really ready to be a parent then anyway). And he was also told that he was told he was a clone of Superman and would grow up to be Superman someday, and then suddenly he wasn't. So, they drew on past youth rebellion fashion for his look. The jacket is '60s greaser. The earring is '80s bad boy. The wedge haircut . . . okay I can't explain the haircut. But so many other characters from the '90s were chasing the "bad boy" vibe that readers got desensitized and just looked at it as "the 90s look".
I always thought she was always supposed to be the new Spider-Man analogue, but with few changes and new points of view, but alas, she became a mascot that Marvel pushed everywhere, mostly places she didn't belong. Teams, games, movies etc. all of it before she was ready for it as a brand. My steps to make her better (it's too late, but oh well):
-Give her a rogues gallery. We see so few new heroes get their own these days, while everybody loves the villains of Spiderman, Flash, Batman etc. Seriously, when did we stop making new recurring villains?
-Make her a teenage hero in highschool or college student. Pick one, stick to it, stop flip flopping and going between the ideas.
-Stop putting her in teams. Champions might be the only one she needs, Avengers neither need her nor she needs them. She needs to grow up on her own.
- Give her her original, first superpowers and stick to it. Don't give me the "but people don't like stretchy powers"- beach, the best selling manga of all time is about a pirate made out of rubber! And no, Mr. Fantastic, Plastic Man, Elongated Man and others are not lame no matter how many memes you link.
-Take a look at Static Shock, learn why it became popular, then make your own. Don't copy or plagiarize, but use that as inspiration.
-One book, go to 100 issues, don't restart/revamp/rename/reboot or other re's. Let it run it's course. The idea of "I don't know where to start" won't matter to newcommers who will buy trades anyway, then catch up once they are attached to the character and stories.
-Oh and make the writing good. I feel like I shouldn't even say that but I feel like some people forget about it.
Remember, Spiderman took years to become an icon that he is today and Kamala needs time too. Time and attention and most importantly, FOCUS.
Spider-Gwen is having this same issue. They keep wanting to have her do multiversal stuff and team stuff rather than getting to explore her own setting
Her original run was brilliant, she easily skyrocketed to one of my favourites.
On her strongest spots she's like Spiderman: down to earth, human and super life messy and intertwined, fun to crossover, less to team up.
The set up and power rebrand was upsetting. It killed a lot of my passion for it.
(Also, I dislike the mutant ressurrection so much, it's a tool for corporate checklists that kills the tension in anything X-men related)
Ms marvel is a loser loner with anger issues so meh
A running theme I’m seeing with Marvel is that just about everyone sees how to make these characters work… except for the execs that have the final say on everything. Mainline Peter Parker must act like a poor teenager, despite being an adult with the brilliance to get into just about any tech company he wants. Kamala Khan should be pushed as a big name superhero, even though her best stories were smaller, personal conflicts. Out-of-touch executives do a better job of ruining our favorite characters than any supervillain.
Peter never was a genius.
@@mayotango1317 Modern Peter disagrees with you
@@bashamd96Modern Peter is a loser who need the help from the psycho who killed her girlfriend.
kind of embarrassed to admit I really enjoyed the Kid Kaiju/Monsters Unleashed stuff
Why? They were solid books for what they were.
"The campus is 45 minutes from Jersey City"
You really should use the PATH train time, not the car time. Silly Texan. It's only $3 to ride. Damn, the bike time is really short.
I’ve been a dedicated Ms. Marvel fan ever since her debut in comics, I have all her comics, draw fanart of her, and have fun seeing what she does next!
I agree with ya that they’ve been fumbling the bag with her so much,
Iman’s run really brought back some semblance of OG Ms. Marvel and if ANY comic industry folks are reading,why won’t you guys give her ongoing comic back!?
Let her have her own adventures again like Miles! DX
One of the biggest strengths of the Ms Marvel title was that she had a strong supporting cast to bounce her off of, and unfortunately, comics now is compelled to sabotage that. It's happened with Spidey, it's happened with Jaime!Blue Beetle, and now it's happened with Kamala. She's lost her interesting classmates & relatives so she can be just another teen X-Man, in a book that's actively painful to read.
Kamala Khan was one of the first characters to get me back into comics. And I'm straight up mad what they're doing to my girl.
The assessment that she was supposed to be Spiderman for the new age is absolutely correct. She appeals mainly to the teen and early college demographic, as she shows off genuine social problems they have to deal with. For example, her book did not shy away from politics (they actually did it with some nuance unlike other comics recently) or the constant looking down on upon Gen Z. The comic was focused more on her then any cosmic villains. It was a nice break from the hectic world of Marvel. Then they started to make her join teams. I'm so happy Drake points this out, because for years I thought I was the only one who actually noticed/cared, but it is inconsistent of Kamala to go from small scale adventures to large team ups. It's why I would eventually only read her book because it felt weird reading comics that were not filled with the Kamala I had came for and stayed for.
Making her a mutant was a final straw for me. I was not the biggest fan of the Ms. Marvel show. So many things in it were the direct opposite from the comics (Kareem was not part of a secret order, which he says in the comic clearly, he just learned from TH-cam how to throw knives). But, as soon as they made her a mutant I knew it was the beginning of the end. Making her mutant immediately pushes her into so many conflicts that are simply not in her wheel house. It pushes her out of what made her unique as she now has to do what the X-men do. She is not allowed to be in her bubble anymore. I can't stand it.
I haven't read anything since her death and rebirth, but I seriously worry that with her supposed to deal with real-life issues affecting people today, her being a mutant could complicate stories addressing racism, since now they'd have to throw on an imaginary thing that isn't a 1:1 reflection of real issues on top of something that is very real.
What nuance can politics have? Why do you clowns want that issue to have nuance
@ something tells me you haven’t lived long enough to understand
@@dallasgrey4247 oh you are of those who is agaisnt having heroes x politics and villains have y politics because it will make you upset that one is portrayed as bad
@ no. I’m fine with that. Heck some of my favorite heroes have radically different ideologies than mine. What I’m not fine is when things are boiled down to simple things. Political ideologies have a lot of stuff behind them. And too portray them without understanding it is stupid to me. I don’t care what the politics of the heroes and villains are. I care that they are portrayed correctly.
Drake is the kind of guy I tend to see as spinning for the positive, even when he talks negatively about a status quo
To hear him actually tearing apart Kamala's death and how messy Zeb Wells's run of Amazing Spider-Man was really tells you how badly they're handling both that book and the character of Ms. Marvel
Ok she died then came back to life a month later. That’s just a time honored tradition in comic books.
@@benwasserman8223 The way it happened is where lies the problem
She died on a book unrelated to her, where she barely appeared, both as a way to set up her mutant revival and to give Peter more grief (aka fridging her)
The book was released at the tail end of Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month (Kamala herself is Pakistani-American). It couldn't be anymore tone deaf
@ Yeah but then they announced Iman Vellani was writing her revival series and all was forgiven. So i agree - bad optics and setup. But the world moved past this fast.
Agreed hard - Absolutely love Iman Vellani. Cannot believe we got so lucky with her casting. Being a fan of Ms Marvel since her creation, and she really is like a her IRL.
I disagree a bit on the team bit, at least for the Champions and Inhumans. The Champions focused great amount on real life social problems, and when it went into comic stuff it became Saturday morning cartoon like stuff, plus allowed young heroes of other books showing up in her's and their's. So the from the whole Mark Waid when he split ANAD Avengers into 2 teams I feel like Marvel kinda agrees with her being on the Avengers was weird but still hanging out with other young heroes was good.
As for the Inhumans she appeared very rarely a funeral, and to help out with some action, plus Lockjaw played a decent role in her first book. The biggest thing we saw her with other Inhumans was Secret Warriors (though they went by Warriors) during the Secret Empire event. Which could be the reason she didn't have a tie-in for the event in her own book.
That "New York's Mutant Superhero" made me convinced this book is not for her. Question is that a space between SUPER and HERO @14:21?
The end of the original run left Kamala in such a cool place, with her family knowing her identity and the really cool setup that her powers were actually time-travel based. And then a new writer took over and kinda undid/ignored most of it
I read Ms. Marvel's original run earlier this year, and was pleasantly surprised. The arcs had their up and downs and sometimes, she had to make hard decisions. It was very grounded, and I liked how it tackled contemporary issues, (Especially the misplaced disrespect towards younger generations). It's kinda a shame we've gone away from that. Still, I love the character. She and Moon Girl are my two favorite inhuman superheroes.
How a company SHOULD handle it when they have a popular character: “Hey! This character is popular! Let’s be very careful with how we proceed in order to keep this popularity going.”
How companies ACTUALLY handle popular characters: “Hey! This character is on fire! Let’s spread that fire out as wide as possible over tons of different franchises/movies/books so the flame spread!” The flame never spreads. It just dies.
I mean you say that but there have been cases of the flame spreading all over the damn place. Wolverine and Venom come to mind. The problem is that Marvel keeps trying to replicate their successes with those characters with everybody, and most of the time it doesn't work. So I guess I'm fundamentally agreeing with you.
It's really upsetting how they dumped Kamala's supporting cast.
As someone who doesn't read a lot of comics, I picked up Kamala's original run after hearing the hype and was genuinely blown away, it was so amazing. And I think it's telling that when I heard she was getting an MCU show my first thought was "oh no." Basically everything I worried about came true, and now I'm way too bummed out to read more of her stuff, even if it genuinely is good
I know. Ms. Marvel needs a Deathstroke. An old guy with a special hatred towards child superheroes.
I'm thinking someone who used to be a hero, they had a sidekick who also was their child. But after the dead of the kid, they decided to retire and become an anti-child superhero activist or something. But after seeing no progress and actually an increase in adolescent crimefighters has decided to actually become the biggest menace these children have ever seen as the ultimate deterrent. And Kamala, who idolizes superheroes and became one because of it and is quite open about it and thus has become their target N°1.
Just get me some Marvel people I'll get you the One-Shot zap.
Would've been an interesting continuation off the Kamala's Law arc in Champions, that after it was repealed there was somebody who was staunch against younger heros and could reoccur here or there.
New villain idea. Gaslighter. Has the power to gaslight people to get away with crimes. It's not full mind control or memory erasure. But it's the same family. Basically their victim belive that what happened was supposed something different to what it actually did, they take the blame for stuff they didn't do or think that the reason the Gaslighter did something was for a good cause I swear.
This will put Miss Marvel into hot water, she will doubt herself and she will have to move carefully and quickly in order to clear her name and defeat this foe before they have a chance to gaslight her again.
0:44 one day we will talk about how your name is Drake, but not today, buddy
The biggest problem is that she doesn't have an Ongoing series right now (NYX I guess)
As a person who went to a summer program like that, it was pretty relatable. I also did a summer semester living in a dorm in the same city as my parents, everything on campus was still relatively active because people were taking summer courses, I saw college clubs and programs as well. I think they should age up Kamala and they've been sitting on the edge of doing that for a while, but letting her be in that weird space between highschool and college is fine.
9:47 I see what you did there.
I can't believe it took 3 years for me to hear that joke directed at that Bruno in particular.
NO NO NO NO
We don't talk about Brunooooooo 🎵
Okay, overall I agree with your thesis here, Drake. Hate the fact that just as Blue Beetle and Cassie Caine are coming back into their own at DC, my fav Marvel character is hitting a slump. But I do have two points of contention here as a fellow Kamala fan.
1. I overall agree Kamala needs some work done on her rogues, but she has strong villains besides Inventor. Lockdown was a really good foil for Kamala in the second half of Wilson's run, showing the kind of authoritarian, might-makes right logic Kamala is utterly opposed to. Discord had interesting pathos as being a classmate of Kamala and being a good metaphor for how many young men (especially, though not exclusively, straight and white ones) can end up going down dark paths that ruin their lives just out of a fear of change and feeling like they are being left behind by the world. And Doc.X is a fun villain, and one that could be very scary in this modern digital age where there are so many different ways to hack people's private info. So there are characters writers can build upon, but I will concede that *more* needs to be done.
2. I disagree about Kamala and the Champions. Avengers? Sure, that was too soon a leap given how new she still was. X-Men? Oh heck yes, only there for dumb synergy reasons and now just means she will be effected by whatever new way Marvel wants to fuck around with the Mutant status quo every five or so years. But the Champions? Now, admittedly I'm something of a Champions stan (jn spite of Waid's writing in the original run), but I think Kamala is a great fit for the team. The team is an extension of her morals as a character: good is not a thing you are, it's a thing you do. She saw how Carol was willing to risk throwing innocent people in jail for crimes they hadn't even done yet, and how the other Avengers were just putting out fires and not thinking about core issues. And so her being on the team and serving as part of the team's moral core makes perfect sense.
But like I said, overall I agree. I do hold out hope things will turn around, given the nature of comics. But I fear it might take as long as it did for Jamie Rayes (13 years) or Cassie Caine (17 years) to get back into their groove again. And hell, even Jamie coming back still involved him leaving El Paso and his family, so...
Yeah, I agree on 2, I was surprised with that issue because I think she can work really well on teams. She's got a pretty distinct mix of annoying kid fangirl energy but also natural leadership skills that make her fun to bounce off other characters. It just has to be the right team. Tossing her into the Avengers so fast was a mistake, but I could see an older, more mature Kamala eventually making her way back to the team, maybe even leading it.
Kamala Khan’s Ms Marvel was the very first comic series I ever read. I had never cared about comics before but she made me care. I love everything about her and her comics, but there is definitely a problem. I’m devastated on how she’s being handled and I’m so scared. But at least I can still read her original run any time
Sounds like its time to offer G Willow Wilson some fat stacks to come back for a 50 issue run.
Thank you for the clarification about Kamala's educational status. I read a lot of her comics a few years ago and got back into her comic book issues after her most recent death in the Spider-Man run. Yet when I was checking out her new X-Men appearences and NYX I was confused and was trying to check if her character is now in college or not and got really confusing results so thank you for that.
I’d argue Miles also doesn’t have any villains with staying power. Some of the rogues you mentioned weren’t originally his villains, Prowler-Peter Parker (before spider-verse, how popular do you think Prowler was?), Bombshell-Peter Parker. Others are either derivative/uninspired, or done to death. Selim-clone(the saga ended no more please), Assessor-generic smart villain, and sadly, Rabble is the most original, and they’ve mastered her.(I had to look her up, I don’t know everything.) Miles still has loads of potential, yet Marvel(comics) has no idea what to do with him.
If they really want to give her extra pizazz, they should just make it so she's the only character who has access to both her mutant and inhuman genes in order to give rise to her adjusting to her conflicting powersets, which sorta relives the awkwardness of when she was first learning to use her powers, kind of like a soft reboot.
That would be able to get her back to her more grounded roots while also setting up some interesting storylines in the future.
Personally for me I think marvel has really made ms marvel in comics kind of obsolete which actually sucks because ms marvel Kamala Kahn is a good character but they just don’t know what to do with her sadly.
4:45 Honestly this might be an unpopular opinion but I prefer the Black Shirt design for Superboy over the goofy 90s outfit maybe it's because I'm a young justice fan and am more used to It but I generally prefer that suit
Same
I'm deffinetly biased because I watched Young Justice first, but yeah. It's simplistic, but sometimes that makes for a more effective design.
@@leithaziz2716 Definitely agreed there sometimes simpler designs are the most effective. Plus I'll be honest the classic superboy suit I just dislike because it screams dated 90s design to me I'm generally not a fan of most extreme 90s costumes and the classic superboy suit gives me those same vibes
Young Justice is a bad adaptation of him.
@@mayotango1317 why
4:00
I feel like "coolness" is somewhat of a cultural constant. Some things certainly shift, but others stay the same.
That really rubbed me the wrong way because Sonic the Hedgehog IS timeless, otherwise there wouldn’t be people so attached to the character today.
What on earth was Innuendo trying to insinuate? Was he trying to make all the Sonic fans angry or say no one likes him? Of course people love Sonic, regardless of what decade they’re in!
@@benmalsky9834
I don't particularly find Innuendo's argument to be compelling, and it's been a while since I've watched it, but his point is that due to the perceived and constant change of what is considered to be cool, this has resulted in the franchise chasing and dropping trends to stay relevant, causing the creation of multiple distinct and clashing interpretations of the character, his world, and gameplay, creating an identity crisis that it effectively impossible to solve, as SEGA tries to cater to everyone who holds a preference for one style over another.
There are a couple of major problems with this model, but I'll focus on the two main ones. Coolness is something that is much of a constant as it is a trend, because it is something that this constructed, with distinct ideas about what it is and how it is expressed by different people across different times and spaces, but nevertheless is shared and spread. As well, I don't think the franchise's multiple interpretations is something that is unique to Sonic itself, and is an attribute that is shared by pretty much every media franchise, by the fact that they are managed, and authored by teams of people, who contribute their own ideas and conceptions to the core themes and concepts of the worlds they create, and that they exist across multiple mediums, with their own opportunities and constraints at presenting a message.
@ Well like I said, I’m okay with any direction that Sonic goes in, so it doesn’t matter how different it can get, Sonic is always still Sonic to me. I have no preference because I like the series as a collective whole.
@ Personally, I don’t believe that Sonic really has an “identity crisis” because even if there are different styles and tones, people still enjoy it. It’s really only a crisis if people don’t like the sudden shifts, and thankfully I am one of the people who still enjoys Sonic no matter what changes stylistically, tonally or gameplay wise.
NGL, I forgot that Drake has that big round microphone, and was wondering the whole video why he had something censored while he talked...
HAH i thought i was the only one
"Here's why Kamala was a great character on debut"
*Lists every reason i dislike her core concept*
"Now, all of that is cringy by today's standards"
Nah, i remember cringing at her when she came out.
When a character feels forced, it very rarely works. Marvel didn't naturally let her popularity build up. They straight away started pushing her into group shots and video games of the classic and most popular Marvel characters as if she were one of them but she stood out like a sore thumb.
Kamala Khan is getting turned into the marvel comics' Scrappy Doo.
When Scrappy Doo first appeared in Scooby, he saved it from cancellation. Then executive meddling caused him to be oversaturated in the show, trying to put him everywhere to the detriment of other characters and he slowly over time became hated and is now nothing more than a joke. This is pretty much what Kamala is getting pushed into, they're trying to put her everywhere and use everything, and not keep her focused.
The problem is that Marvel thinks doing that WORKS because it has worked with characters like Wolverine and Spider-Man, who could just be tossed into other books to make them more marketable, but Kamala doesn't have that history, including as you noted, the villains. So she's walking more the path of Scrappy than of Wolverine or Spider-Man.
Lmao history , villains? Neither of these characters had that when they were pushed everywhere lmao wolverine did not not roginate in his own comic or have much of a history
No, that is Gwen Stacy.
Characters originating in other comics isn't a big deal. Spider-man originated in Amazing Fantasy, then moved on to Amazing Spider-Man. Wolverine originated in Incredible Hulk and moved on to X-men and didn't get his own comic for like 8 years after his first appearance. Even Ms. Marvel cameo'ed in Captain Marvel some months before her book kicked off.
As to not having much of a history before they were pushed everywhere? Wtf are you smoking?
Both spider-man and wolverine started really getting pushed everywhere in the 2000's, almost 30 years after wolverine's first appearance and 40 after spider-man's. Spider-man WAS famous for a long time, and he had a team in the 80s...in a cartoon show (with his 'amazing friends' Iceman/Firestar), and then like 3 chapters of Fantastic Four where it was him/Wolverine/Hulk/Ghost Rider.
The 2000s, following the popularities of the live action movies and the cartoon shows from the 90s, wanted to put both of them everywhere, with both joining multiple Avenger teams, and Wolverine being active in like 3-5 x-men teams simultaneously including x-force and whatever other teams.
However back in the 80s-90s wolverine was generally associated with a single x-team, though he did cameo in other x-teams. He basically got DEVELOPED in x-books, because he was mostly a throwaway Hulk character that eventually found a stable footing, and as mentioned earlier, didn't even get his own book for a few years after being put on x-men, and hell, he was initially almost cut from that book except John Byrne went to bat for the guy.
Again, they had 30-40 years of comics before they got pushed heavily onto various other teams, outside of cameo bits like the Fantastic Four thing.
Ms. Marvel? Two years after she was created she's tossed into Avengers. Not even a year after that, the Champions. I forget when she got pulled into Inhumans, but it wasn't long after that. Inhumans aren't popular anymore and X-men are back in marvel's movie plans, so now she's in X-men. It's been a decade and she's been pushed around four teams, none of which have anything to do with the other. All the teams are completely different and unrelated.
Wolverine at least had the excuse that most of his teams were all X-teams. And again, one decade for her. One third the time before Wolverine joined Avengers and a quarter the time for Spider-man. Team-up/cameos, all of them have had for their entire history, but we were specifically talking about teams and teams they've been long associated with. A three chapter fantastic four story, or short stories like Team-Up comics do not a team make.
Also, if you somehow don't think Spider-man or Wolverine had villains in those 30-40 years, I don't even know what else to say, really.
Am I missing some sort of important team pushing that Spider-Man/Wolverine got before 2000s outside of that super short-lived FF story?
@@Cerisse_ wolverine bring part of the xmen is him still being pushed buddy. It isn't a excuse he wants original created to be that. Even if spiderman isn't officially part of these teams he has still been used and put in their stories multiple times
@@mayotango1317If that’s the case, then why do people love her? Why did we get her in the movies?
Now I already don't mind Kamala was set up to become a mutant, but how they managed to make her death still fxxxing pisses me up
We don't talk about Bruno 9:46 joke in 2024?
Especially perplexing is that, since a big part of her character is fighting for civil rights, she already has an excuse to interact with the Xmen cast. They could even still have her face discrimination for being a mutant, cause people are basically going to assume she's one when she defends the Xmen.
The original creators planned for her to be a mutant but it was the directive from Marvel execs not to introduce new mutant characters into the comics and instead make her an inhuman, so I like this change and think it makes more sense for her to be a mutant, it's more in line with her character's core issues: tackling prejudice was a huge element of her early comics, and so is the scary and confusing reality of adolescence, both thematically fit much better with her as a mutant than the useless and boring Inhumans. Maybe the change was clunky, but I think it's ultimately for the best.
I don't think not having memorable villains is that big of a deal. Lots of B-List superheroes don't have the luxury of having a mainstay rogues gallery. Who are Martian Manhunter's or Ant-Man's villains? Hell, even some heavy hitters don't have a clear archenemy or nemesis. Iron Man? Hulk? Green Arrow?
Your favourite and my favourite superhero, Booster Gold, has pretty much no memorable villains to call his own. His stories are still great though
For Martian Manhunter are the Human Flame and Ma'alefa'ak. For Ant-Man are Egghead, Whirlwind, Scarlet Bettle, and more weirdos.
For Iron Man is the Mandarin. For Hulk is Leader. For Green Arrow is Merlyn.
The Encanto Reference is insane work Drake, lmfao
as a fellow Ms Marvel fan i 100% agree. her being an Inhuman and living and superheroing in Jersey City with her wonderful supporting cast was what made her unique. she's not the save the world hero, she the save the corner market hero, which is refreshingly different, going against the tired notion that bigger stakes make for better stories. i also agree that her rogues gallery is woefully underdeveloped (i did think when she was briefly appeared years ago that Kaboom was a good 'punching bag' villain for Big M, like how Shocker is for Spidey).
what i would do, if i had total control, is make a Ms Marvel animated series that has a hard 'Small Time Heroics in Jersey City' rule that is as much a sitcom with her friends and family as her fighting fun D-list villains. Have Iman Vellani do the voice (and be in the writers room) as she is as perfect a casting as Chris Reeve and Hugh Jackman.
Even with Peter Parker taking so long to become an Avenger, that single act has severely damaged his characterization ever since. It was the stepping stone to him being known as a multiversal hero instead of a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. It has been heartbreaking to see Kamala Khan speedrun a similar path.
This video and other videos you have posted have outlined the one thing that I hate about superhero comics, and that's the sliding time line of stagnation. Literally all the problems result from the fact they have to build the rails as they drive the train. It's why I love the Ultimate comics, because those had a beginning, middle, and end, where characters could develop over arcs, and death was a consequence rather than an inconvenience.
Of course, you can always say that "oh, just stop reading after this writer leaves, or this writer enters" and that's perfectly fine, that's what I've done with X-Men and Spider-Man, but if you do that's still unsatisfying.
I wish MARVEL had the audacity and daring to pull a Crisis on Infinite Earths and just nuke the entire multiverse. Scratch all comic book runs, reset every single character, bring everything back to the drawing board, and let their writers and artists do something new. Then, in like four or six years, nuke it again. Rinse and repeat, something new, something daring, each and every time.
I know I can't be alone in this sentiment since Ultimate Spider-Man is vastly more popular and more acclaimed than ASM right now.
I dont see this as negative i see it as very well deserved constructive criticism. Im not even really a fan of Ms Marvel, ive read the initial comics and it was pretty good. Like ya said Drake i feel like they never let Khmala cook and its back to square on at the start of the new volume. Other thing is just being a pawn for the whims of MCU. Like i said im not the biggest fan of the character but when i see something that could be done better it see critics as vaild. Btw would you ever do a TMNT video i think it would be great
It's been long enough. Let's see Kamala graduate to becoming Captain Marvel like what Carol did before her and give her stories about carrying the burden of taking on another name used by a white hero.
Speaking of forgotten characters, whatever happened to Gravity?
who?
@felixmartinez1100 😂
It sounds like Kamala Khan is more or less suffering from the same issues as MCU Spider-Man: not having enough grounded street level adventures in her own neighborhood, no villains of her own that stand out on their own with Kamala and being forced into major teams right before she’s debuted.
I love Ms. Marvel; but I think the writers should've brought up the Inventor sooner in the comics, along with her jock classmate and her evil ex and have them appear more often.
It would be great if Nakia, Zoe and/or Bruno developed or received powers. Like one of them gaining either lighting powers, water bending abilities or a symbiote similar to Venom attached to them and have them team up Kamala occasionally.
Yes, the Inventor is so badass.
No thanks. Is the same problem with Miraculous Ladybug, everybody became superhero and lost interest.
@@mayotango1317 agreed. What happened to just having a non-superpowered supporting cast in superhero shows?
@mayotango1317 I know it sounds like something from Miraculous Ladybug, but the powers that I've mentioned would be more useful than a number of the powers/miraculouses.
I understand that everyone shouldn't be a superhero and it feels like something from My Hero Academia or Miraculous if nearly everyone got powers.
Yeah as someone who finally decided to try reading comics and got Marvel Unlimited, wanting to read Young Avengers and Ms. Marvel, I agree to an extent. I do disagree that she shouldn’t be in team books, as I really like her relationship with Iron Man, Captain Marvel, and other Champions like Miles and Viv. But yeah she is at her best with her human friends. I felt the best senerio would be having her in team books as Ms. Marvel, but when she’s in her own series focus on Kamala her friends. That was one of the biggest issues with the recent New Mutant run, the lack of side characters like Zoey and Nakia. I also hard disagree with first run feeling outdated. As someone who was around 10 when that came out but didn’t really use the internet that much it still feels fine, with just some outdated internet terms. Heck the main conflict about the Inventor taking advantage of young people’s loneliness and lack of self worth hit even harder when I read it a decade later.
But yeah I found it odd how little they bring villians back. Like they’ll create one off villians, maybe bring them back for another minor fight then poof gone. Like I know the Inventor is goofy but he legitimately has great nemesis potential. He’s memorable, can somehow be intimidating (like his Dark Web appearance went hard), and has that really interesting motive/story potential. They literally gave him a bunch of birdy underlings, why aren’t they recurring villians? I really noticed this issue when reading an annual comic, and Mr. Marvel was fighting a one off electric villian. But she already has an electric based villian, Kaboom. She’s the opposite of Kamala, hates normal humans, thinks Inhumans are superior, Ms. Marvel defeated her boss, and broke her neck. Why isn’t she a vengeful recurring villain. Ms. Marvel’s weakness is electricity, why doesn’t she have an electric villain. Also Kamran could really work in this age of alpha males.
Honestly after reading the pretty good New Mutant run, I read this one issue in Infinity Watch since she was in it. And it weirdly felt more Ms. Marvel than the actual Ms. Marvel series I read. Like it brought back her friends for a lot of it, gave us good moments, and romantic Bruno moments, despite being one issue in some else’s story. And brought back the Inventors, treating them funny goofy villains, she had to deal with on a weekly basis. I was like where’s this story?
Also I feel another issue not mentioned was the weird amount of memory wiping, so people forget her hero identity. Like her parents forgetting was one of the weaker parts of the otherwise great Magnificent MM run. But since she died, her friend’s memories had to wiped in the recent run. But I feel like this destroys a lot of story potential. One of the best parts is her friends knowing about her identity and being there to support her. She doesn’t need to make an excuse to leave. It’s also really funny when they force her to have fun and not be a hero all the time.
However, I feel like there’s great potential to make an epic Ms. Marvel run. This isn’t like Spiderman were the mistakes are lasting ones baked into the narrative. They’re quick and easy fixes. Just focus on her interpersonal life, bring back some of her villains, and bake them into the book’s themes. Like I really like that despite everything she’s done, Jersey City is split on her just because she identifies as a mutant. And even the side that hates her, a lot of people recognize the good she’s done and are even in denial like saying she’s a clone made by the X-men. It could be a really good point on how people are fine with something, but once their told to hate the newest talking point, it’s an issue. It could also be a great meta point of how Inhumans and Mutants are practically the same thing but being a mutant gets you so much more hate. Also New Mutant brings up how wrong it was for the X-men to just wipe her friends minds without their permission, which could be interesting.
Sorry for the rant, just spewed out
Comic Drake, the sound was nice, clear, and crispy but have you considered getting a bigger mic?
Hmm...
Teen superhero that's a breath of fresh air with great potential in terms of writing ✅
Writers can't explore new interesting directions due to status quo (or editorial mandates✅
Feels like the character is stagnating for a while and feels like no one knows what do with them✅
Power set being adjusted to match live action counterpart✅
You know, add a ton of suffering in her life and she's truly taking on her mantle as Gen-Z Spider-Man
FYI In the Marvel’s Champion Card Game, Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) hero pack which contains a pre-built deck and a nemesis deck, usually someone iconic for said hero or one of their rouges, well of course her nemesis, as Drake said, is The Inventor
Addendum Since you did Ms. Marvel you should probably Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur since that was another character that survived the Inhuman takeover though the version people know for sure is the one MG AND DD TV show.
Drake, taking up the mantle of Benny from Comicstorian crazily ranting about problems in the comic industry. I kinda like it!
As much as people love to hate, honestly she's been doing fine. the killing and resurrection was super clunky and bad but everything she's been in since then has been excellent
NYX is terrible.
I gotta say bro you might be wrong on this one
Change your name to apersonwhohasabadopinion, because this take is utter TRASH 🗑 🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑
@@asmodeusguys4472 love I'm actually reading the books and making my own conclusions, not just going with the popular consensus of an online mob of people who haven't read a comic book in their life
Kamala Khan introduction was definitely a welcome one. In my opinion, her being a positive Muslim role model was a plus. However, G Willow Wilson's run was immense. Tne way she was written in relation to her upbringing. And her embodiment of becoming a superhero was a truly fantastic read. Yes Drake, you are completely correct. Marvel pushed her into becoming an Inhuman. A abysmal weak team of false mutants. However, her becoming a mutant in the MCU and comics will hopefully propel her frint and centre.
My problem is that it’s a really bad idea to have a character of a certain faith in a series where the story contradicts it. Especially in the tv show where she can do magic and im pretty sure that ms marvel isn’t from the sect where they think practicing magic won’t get you sent to hell
Honestly, I kind of wish they went with the story they started with, that the Inhumans told her she had to obey the king of her race, and she just said no.
And just kept trying to be her own person, wary of authority as the Inhuman crown kept trying harder and harder to influence and curtail her to rules and laws she never agreed to.
Turning into the true warrior of people being forced to not be who they are and aspire to be.
Despite being neutral on faith-topics at the moment, I did enjoy Kamala being a positive role model to that community of people.
And I genuinely liked that she never took a self-righteous attitude when it comes to her ideals. Her compassion and struggle to find a place in the world is what struck a lot of people's heart from all around the world, and I think that's something that could have easily been handled poorly.
In spite of liking her show I was still frustrated that they 1. Didn't even try adapting Edison at all and 2. Didn't give her a second season. What If...?, that "animated anthology, but not" got THREE SEASONS and maybe their best show that could have justified a second season didn't? Also: Introducing her on the story they did was VERY reductive.
You really didn't get what drake was saying, did you? The fact that Kamala was an Inhuman was not important at all, she wasn't part of the team. She always done her own things. She could team up with mutants, inhumans, etc... It didn't matter because she was in such a unique spot. Now that she's mutant #8756, she doesn't get to shine as a wild card.
Going from the best Inhuman to a generic Mutant.
What a downgrade.
14:01 thanks i hate it 😍 thank god i never added this mess of comic to my ms marvel collection i knew they would shoehorn in her green lantern powers somehow
KID KAIJU MENTIONED! I love Kid Kaiju, please bring him back Marvel.
The main point I agree on is that they should've aged Kamala up and just put her in College by now. Also Fallen friend was a horrible event 100%.
Most of the other stuff you talk about I don't agree with.
1. Her villains are not as bad as you say they are. The problem is that they are mostly one offs and could really benefit from beeing reused more often, like Spideys villains are. The basis is there, they are just not beeing pushed enough.
2. They did a lot of really interesting stuff with Kamala in the team books. That All-New Avengers run with her, Miles and Sam Alexander beeing the new kids on the team and clashing with the older members was super interesting, especially in how it ended. Her forming the Champions as an NGO bend on helping people and staying out of superhero fights was also fun and interesting. I agree that later Champions arcs and runs got worse in that aspect, but the original idea was superb.
3. NYX is a really good book and even though I miss Kamalas original supporting cast the themes the book touches upon are super interesting and Kamala has some great chemistry with the other young X-characters in the comic.
The original Ms. Marvel run was amazing and I'd also love for Marvel to return Kamala to her roots and make her a modern age Spider-Man in Jersey city with memorable villains and an amazing side cast (A lot of things the OG run had). But with NYX they have found a great place for Kamala in the comic universe and her stories are very different from where she started, but again pretty good. She was in Limbo (not literally lol) for a pretty long time after the original run ended and I am pretty happy that Marvel seems to have found a new place for her.
TLDR.: OG Ms. Marvel was very good, but the recent storys (mainly NYX) are also pretty good. I would've agreed with this video 1 year ago, but now I am not so sure. I feel like there is some nostalgia talking here.
Not really angry ranting. Just solid and passionate criticisms. Great video!
2:45 - 2:58 as someone who used tumblr, i'm gonna say "take off the rose tinted glasses buddy."
peak internet was '08-'12, the time you're describing is not the heyday but the start of a downward spiral.
god, as a current college student, what i would GIVE for kamala to go to college and get a school-based street level internal focused story again to relate it to the current decade's youth issues. kinda similar to like where invincible season 2 went, but without the galactic level threats and all that.
Disney MCU synergy with the comics, games, and TV shows will always be so funny to me because how much the MCU evolves and changes as it goes on
14:40 this line right here, this is the EXACT reason I was upset when Bruno used the word 'mutation' in the finale of her series
Well i hope locust gets the recognition she deserves, she is such an interesting character. Plus i love the outfit.
"The quirky not like other girls trope that plays video games has aged poorly"
God there was a huge smile on my face when you said that. Even back then every time one of these characters talked I couldn't hear dialogue. All I could hear was "FIND ME RELATABLE! FIND ME RELATABLE!"
What are you talking about? Of course girls play video games.
@@benmalsky9834 *sigh* You understand the difference between making fun of a trope and understanding that people exist in real life, right? Let's say, blond people exist. Right? And petty people exist last time I checked. But there is this movie that has a very stereotypical blond petty character. If I make fun of the generic writing, that's not me denying the existence of real life people.
@ So you’d just be making fun of the writing then?
@@benmalsky9834 I mean, yeah. I feel that my original comment was clear.
The definition of main character syndrome. There is always another person similar to you. I don't think there's such thing as not like other girls unless you are a girl with snake arms.
0:06 Who?
0:07 Yes, sort of.
4:47 I like Conner Kent with the black t-shirt and jeans because it makes him look like he’s in his early-to-mid 20s.
9:48 No, no, no. We don’t talk about Bruno.
Hearing young people say "oh you used to be allowed to like things on the internet" is such weird retcon nostalgia. The internet was so much more toxic back in the good old days, people would tear each other to pieces at the drop of a hat. You just misremember it because you were a kid.
I'm thirty, bro. 😂
No shit the Internet wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, but to pretend like it's not SIGNIFICANTLY worse now is to be ignorant.
3:01 Historical revisionism. The Internet was never nice you just had stronger echo chambers.
There was absolutely shittiness all over the internet since the very beginning, but it was a lot less pronounced and a lot less in your face than now.
Yes, things were more of echo chambers because algorithms weren't pushing other people's stuff at you on a regular basis. When you went to a social media platform, you were seeing what was posted and reposted by the people you followed. Now if you go on Twitter, its Discovery feed is the main one and it's full of garbage. Not to mention that Musk forces his own posts into people's feeds on the regular.
@ComicDrake
Using Twitter as an example definitely shows recency bias. I can't remember one time in the last 8 years that Twitter or X ever had a rational thought that wasn't about attacking others.
14:37 this right here perfectly describes how i felt about this whole thing. (Becuase yeah, she was basically the only inhuman people cared about. She was pretty much the wolverine of the inhumans. But now, she's just another mutant.)
Honestly NYX might be my favorite X book right now. I agree she feels shoehorned in, but I’m glad she’s there. And I’m not sure I agree she’s doesn’t or can’t have a niche in the X-men. Her personality (being the hopeful optimistic teen super hero) still seems pretty unique to me, and made her well suited to the kinds of missions the champions went on.
But I agree there have also been a LOT of missteps
"Medical debt" - there is your villain
Luigi time.
I always see the argument "oh, they don't create new heroes anymore" yes, they do, but no one cares about getting to know them, I miss Kid Kaiju
I think it's because the people behind them don't have a plan for them.
Dude killing off kamala in a Spiderman issue, as if she’s a spidey side character was nuts. The mutant thing. Power change. So lame. Everything done with her character in recent history is just malpractice. She went from new spidey to 2010’s wally west. “Ehhh just try anything”
I like what the MCU is doing ten times better than whatever the comics had. Forget the whole Mutants/Inhumans angle, I miss the Pakistani magical girl who gets her powers from another dimension.
Well you know the comics are currently written by her MCU actor.
The only thing (well two things) I don’t like is her Mcu suit. Also the fact that she doesn’t have shorter hair
@ammonite0257 If you're talking about the one she had in The Marvels, I agree. It's kind of all over the place and I liked the one she had at the end of the series (that she'd basically only just assembled at that point) much better
Her first comic run is more better that the Disney channel MCU.
The giant vanta black mic is really tripping me out 😳
4:12 “cool is not built to last?” Ok explain DBZ? Devil may cry, tekken. They are cool forever. Like sonic. Idk who that voice clip was from but they wrong.
Using that clip from that video really rubs me the wrong way, as I am a massive Sonic fan.
Someone REALLY needs to teach that guy a lesson.
Ah ms marvel the character that got me into comics and the mcu. The character that got me to watch A.O.S because of the inhuman connection, i play her in every marvel related video game media she is in (from the mess of the avengers game to future fight)
She is such a special character to me and to see how her character has become a shadow of her formal self pisses me off. The... interesting depiction of ms marvel in the mcu literally gutted my interest in her and stopped me from watching any mcu content to this day. I really hope they treat her character with the care she deserves going forward but i doubt that will happen.
I do wanna say iman vellani IS ms marvel but what a waste of a perfect casting. I truly hate her awkward mutant djinn storyline that makes little sense the more you think about it and how it has affected her appearances in marvel related media going forward.