Super Duke R + M 1000 R + GSX-R1000 + R1 + 890 Duke | Bridgestone S23 Launch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2023
- Tyre launches are always pretty dreamy, as we get to test a medley of the latest machinery at premium circuits. The Bridgestone S23 launch at Kyalami was no different...
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Should have done a back to back on the same bike, one on a S22 and one on a S23 for a true honest comparison.
That would have been nice but out of our control at an event like this
They’ve been flown out, wined and dined to ride these tyres. You really think comments are honest?
@@danielscott8457 Exactly, there isn't a lot of critical thinking going on in the comments section.
Having ridden there a number of times I absolutely LOVE Kyalami !!!!!
Classic. Suzuki is one of the only bikes happy to go out no matter the day or reason. Never ever have issues with any of my Suzukis.
Experiences vary, I guess...a Suzuki was the only one of the group on our Black Forest trip that had an electrical meltdown :-) People give Italian bikes a bad rep on that regard, my '99 Aprilia RSV1000 however never had a single issue in the 20 years of owning it. Still miss that classy lady sometimes. I guess there's always outliers to the norm ;-)
As a south african im super happy you had a great time. This is such a ballsy track. Super fast paced and cant beat the weather. All our top boys grew up on this track
Had the S22s on my Street Triple RS. they were great for canyons and a couple of track days. Good to know these cope well with with the superduke's power.
S22 were the original fitting tire on the Superduke. I rode it on the SDR on the road, it takes it all as soon you're on a good street surface
insane track, thats some sweet riding with the super duke!
Have had the S22s on my 890 R for a few years...these look like a nice upgrade! Great review/feedback.
Al and Chris are starting to evoke the levels of jealousy I used to reserve exclusively for Clarkson, May and Hammond...
That track looks perfectly awesome for big horsepower literbikes.
As someone who lives down the road from Kyalami racetrack and a fan of 44Teeth, this was a combination I never thought I would see. I really hope we get more international events at this track. World Superbike probably more likely than MotoGP.
Awesome track footage and just what I needed after some major surgery, not been out riding for over a month, thanks for that! What an amazing line up of rides on such a lightning track and on such a great set of evolving rubber………….cheers mate loved it and will probably watch this again each day I’m not being right side up! 😂 Pete
Wow. Sounds great! Thanks.
Good Man Nige for the excellent Vid. Much appreciated and loved!
I love Jeremy McWilliams! I met him at road Atlanta years ago when his chain broke and he was just standing there at the back straight. I was hammered drunk, he was so nice and I got a picture from a crappy flip phone and put it in a frame. I remember him so well because of all the other racers I met they were assholes.
What a track! 🙌🏼 Sending it there Statham! That BMW sounded wicked. Really cool with Guintoli and McWilliams there.
definitely putting them on the streetfighter when i need to change, great review Al , cant wait for the next video, hope you and the boys have a very merry christmas and a happy new year.
that track looks awesome, good on ya!
Tried a year ago some S22 for my “do it all” STT RS thanks to watching your videos over the years. I love them, specially on track. I would say Bridgestone tires are pretty underrated here in Canada (and US) and cherry on the cake, they were rather inexpensive.
Will probably tried the S23 when I need a new set. That’s from a French guy that always rode Michelin tires. And yea we tend to be princesses and no I am not nearly as fast as Sylvain 😂
wow, what a great day, so lucky! ok i think i'm going to give those S23s a go then, thank you very much for the excellent footage.
Kyalami is a South African piece of our racing pride. Just look at all the SA guys in the international scene. They ground their skills on that track. Amped that you enjoyed that and 👍💪💯💥 for coming to SA.
Hope you come back down to SA sometime soon and have some more track time🇿🇦 awesome pov and video
Glad you were able to ride in my backyard.Live 25 km's down the road.Grew up selling magazines at the old kyalami as a boy scout to raise funds.Wish we could get a Motogp here again.Cheers.
It's great to see the heavy weights in motorcycle journalists in the motherland, South Africa 🇿🇦 ...I hope you had a great time !!
Awesome stuff Nige 👏🏻👏🏻 McWilliams is a local legend, and a gent
Great guy is macca an he can't half pilot a bike😊
What a Soundgasm of a vid!!!
The Perfect Tour 🔥🚀🤩
That beemer makes a lovely sound.
I might do my very first track day next year. Will probably be sticking with the current set of Metzler Sportec M5 it came on.
I doubt I need a more high-end rubber for the track as a beginner.
I was leaning toward either this new S23 (or s22 tbh) or the Dunlop Mutant for a next pair.
Nailed it Nige ! 👍
Who is Nige?? Cheers
You guys have the best job on the planet
I have s22 on my daytona 675. Good Times, good tires
Living’ the dream baby!
nice stuff Al, the BMW looks pretty rapid, keep up the great content sausage.
Id love to have the confidence in the corners like you... Class rider man
I already love the S22 on My Superduke.... And the S23 is even better ? Definitely gonna have to test that
Did about 15k kms on my first pair of s22s on my 09 vfr800 before the rear started to square up a little bit and put a new pair on november 2022. Most likely the new tyre will be the S23 from what i see...
In my 32 years of riding I spent many a hour reading tyre reviews to see what was best at that time and buying the next best thing and every year a tyre manufacturer brings out the next much more improved tyre and I can’t help but think in that 32 years have they really got that much better ??
In theory if they had improved that much we should now only need one tyre that does everything and that tyre would last the lifetime of the bike !
I started doing track days back in the mid/late 90s and I was still wearing out exhausts/pegs/engine casings/ knee sliders etc with what must have been totally crap tyres compared to todays next level stuff 😂
Well, no. Because bikes get better with them.Of you used 80’s tyres on a modern bikes you’d be on your ass. And yes, you. Still had the knee down then, but at a much slower pace.
@@yoorukhunt947 yeah I think your missing my point here. yes modern bikes have more power better brakes and better lean angles etc etc and I’m not denying that. What I’m saying (in a light humorous way) is every year a tyre manufacturer brings out a new tyre and regardless of whether that tyre is for a touring bike adventure bike or a sports bike. It’s always the same thing “it has better wet grip better dry grip lasts longer and has better feel etc etc than the previous model
But you can only go so far surely? So as I said in just the 30years I’ve been riding all these improvements in tyre technology we should by now just have one tyre that does everything in lots of different sizes
Either way I don’t care
@@essexboydave I agree.
@@essexboydave The tires get probably 1 - 5% better, not noticable from year to year but over the span of a few years on the same bike I would say you notice a difference
Great video Al. Would love to know if you prefer the flat bars of the BMW or the clip ons on the R1.
Great vid big up mr Fagan
Love it. Keep it up
The front s22 was one of the best front tyres i had felt but was let down by the rear profile being too flat runing to the edge of the tyre so quickly, so looking foward to trying these s23s
Enjoyed that ✊✊
What an awesome track
Great presentation! I enjoy my S22s more than I expected. I wonder: if the rear S23 holds up that well on fast bikes on track, will I get it properly warm on the street? Hmm.
These tyres look awesome. I may have to get some for the Beast.
That M 1000R is something else.
the sickest levers
Those superdukes sound awesome.
My bike was sold with S21's andwhen it came tome to replace them the S22 was out. One thing these track tyre tests dont seem to cover is just how much confidence good tyres give you on the road, even if you never go near a track.
The sound of that R1 😮💨
m8 quality watch that was 💥🔥
perfect pairing then. kyalami and s23's.
I put s3's on my 23 R1 before it even left the showroom. I loved the old s22 they never failed me.
I run S22s on my old Honda CB500. Totally overkill really but they're amazing. I had a look at available sizes for the S23 and it doesn't look like I'll be able to use them, so I hope they keep making the S22s in my sizes for a good while. (140/70 and 110/70)
New version of my favourite tire? Interested!
That should get you on the invite list for the next junket. Job done.
Wonder how this would compare to m9rr's have had s22 for a couple of years now and love them to bits glad to hear the new ones are better!!!❤
Totally agree. Metzelers are awesome and last a real long time❤
I had s20's a while ago and they were good. I've got m9rr on my bike at the moment (second set) and they are ace. Last well and great in the wet. Awesome.
super duke r might just be my next bike. looks like a blast to ride at every moment
Best review of the S 23 that I’ve seen so far!
Did you happen to notice what Bridgestone was running for air pressure that day?
Great video
Tough life you boys have, my condolences. 😉
What would you recommend RS11 vs S23? I ride mainly L.A. canyons with a track day ever 8 weeks
" The Germans putting their gloves down " almost made me drop my Schnitzel
Great content as always Al. Apologies if this has already been asked, but what tyre do you think is better for the street in the UK, the S23s or Michelin 6?
How would this compare to the Pirelli rosso corsa 4 and or 3
What pressures was there on the bikes? Different between the sizes I guess but what did you use on the bigger ones?
And what temp did you have after a session?
How do these compare to the Pirelli competition? Would this be the SuperCorsa SPv4 or Diablo Rosso IV Corsa? (sounding like a tyre marketing manager now)!
I ran S20's on my old Ninja ZX6R and they used to kick the traction control off like nobodys business, changed onto Michelin's and the bike transformed. Would be interested to try them on my new iteration of the ZX6R.
S22s were great by all admissions but they lasted less than 2k miles on a proper big bike imo, there is no way to justify their price for that sort of life, when Conti Road Attack 4s or Road 5s can handle an occasional trackday too, no problems in fast twisty backroads, and also last 5-6k miles.
I found the same. Went 5’s after the S22’s and couldn’t believe how bad they made the S22’s seem in comparison, AND they were cheaper than the 22’s. Going Road 6’s next.
Nige, did you like the SDR better or the M1K on this tire?
Tyres look like a step up towards the RS11, pity we didnt see tyres after your laps to see how they were wearing
Hope they last longer than S22! My MT OEM version of the 22 lasted 600 miles to the wearbar rear and 1500 miles to bald sides for the front (still had plently of center tread but the sides were scary GONE in 1500miles! I had replaced the rear with Pirelli Rosso 4 which is holding up really well! The new Rosso 4 front is wonderful but hardly any miles on it yet. The rear would already be loooong gone had I replaced it with another s22 I like I can SEE the different compounds on the rossos as compared to the bridgstone which looks all the same compound even if they claim differnent
The fabled ‘wobbly’ left hand switch gear can be fixed if you peel the grip back and tighten the torq screw, dont over tighten though or you’ll crack the plastic 😂
Need McWilliams and Guinters on the show for a longer chat.
If youre thinking the rear might be gum after a few hot laps there then it’s probably not going to do well on an Aussie track day during summer?
What would you say it's better on track? Dunlop Sporsmart tt, Mich power Gp2 or the Bt S23?
Cheers!
S22s are phenomenal tyres
Nice one, oi Nige, ha ha, take care fella.
Thank you Statham for allowing me to live vicariously through you, while freezing my balls off in the frozen winter wastes here.. Cheers from the Colonies! 🍻🇨🇦
You very nearly did a proper journalist review there .!!
Just as I was thinking, this will be intresting now that it’s raining to see how good they are in the wet…(Which is why they exist , for road and track) Al comes in for a saucer of milk!!!??? Why ? I’m sure you are a better rider in the rain than 99% of your viewers who will want to know if they will stay right side up too!. But as long as you had fun…. Just a bit jealous
awesome 🙂
What a dream day! Would be awesome to see Bridgestone compete with Michelin in MotoGP again.
Each of those bikes 20% down on power compared to bikes in uk due to altitude there? 750 i rode there felt like a 400, rode to cape town at sea level and couldn't believe difference in power . Presumably move around a lot more when bikes are At full power?
Not a bad day at work that i swap a day of estimating for your day. Just got a new 1290 superduke when the tyres are tome for some s23
I found the S22’s a great all rounder but when breaking hard, on track, the front rubber suffered from lots of tiny cracks or tears. I wonder if these are any better.
S22 on my 04 VFR. Managed to wear out the front before the rear. How the blooming heck did i manage that??
Be like my bike , front end heavy. That's how
There is often a debates about whether the bikes, like the ones ridden in the video are too powerful for the road. After watching this video it seems they are too powerful for this very high speed track. The circuit (Kyalami) is way above sea level, so the bikes ridden would be producing 18% less power than in the UK, and no one seemed to notice! Conclusion is that there is way more power available than what is required.
When I bought my brand new Thunderace and commuted it 2's up for years I used a rear tyre every 3months and swapped about with brands a lot, but eventually learned bridgestones were way better than all other manufacturers. I have been coosing them for nearly 30 years now. LOL I recall a Pirelli on the Slough slip road spinning up after 70 miles on the motorway ! A Bridgestone would stick better in the snow, okay exagerating. You are preaching to the converted Al baby
So glad it was Fagan doing the review!
Don't you like soppy sue🤣🤣🤣
McW - always sorts out the wheat from the chaff - legend
Just when I was going to pull the trigger and buy the more sensible Road 6's for my FZ09 to replace the spent S22's, I think I'll have to buy some S23's and just fuck around again.
Wonder how this Bridgestone fairs up against the Metzeler Sportec M9RR?
What are they like on the road and in the wet
Found the s22s to be rubbish on the sides when hot. Slide all over the place. Hope these are better. Also love that the Gsxr was still going and the other 2 shit themselves 😅
Yep, I nearly lost the rear at Donington Park Old Hairpin on my R6 with S22s. Same reason. I doubt these S23's are much better. Also bridgestone couldn't give me HOT pressures to run them at, just cold 'because they're a road tyre.'
@@mickl8212 mine was at snetterton. Been round the same corner much harder on continentals and Pirelli’s and had no issues. Also found turn in harder due to the flatter profile.
I think it’s just the compound they use. Greasy when hot. Unless the compound is massively different these will be the same
@@liam-james yes they chewed up on my R6 despite suspension being set correct and trying multiple hot tyre pressures.
i have raced there is was my favret long circuit track here in SA are you still this side
Went through 4 sets of S22's on my Street Triple. Great tyre, far better road tyre than the Supercorsas they come on and great on track too. Just wish a rear would last more than about 3000 miles
Yes the s22 wears out very quickly . So i went to Metzler race pro which is stock on bmw s1000rr , The metzler heats quickly better grip and more durable/long lasting
I'm also on a street triple with the supercorsas they come on. Could you please elaborate why you found the s22 better?
@@lukelin250 Probably the biggest thing is that the S22 is shaped more like a U than a V so it's very predictable when transitioning onto the side of the tyre. Supercorsas kind of fall into the side of the tyre which is great for track riding but feels a bit weird on the roads. They also heat up faster, are a bit better in the rain and I only got 1800 miles out of my first rear Supercorsa vs 3000 on an S22
@@ZeeBri thanks for the reply. You are right about them wearing faster and the v profile. That's always the tradeoff for grip vs longevity. Surely for outright grip supercorsa are still king
@@lukelin250 Oh yeah in terms of outright track grip, Supercorsas are right up there but I don't think the trade off is worth it unless you're spending most of your time on the bike at the track. As a fast inters rider I'm not even getting to the limits of the S22's.
So guys, I want to buy a GSXR 1000 or Yamaha R1. What would you guys get?
Yamaha - Like the sound, like the styling
GSXR - like the better comfort and I prefer the dash and the VVTI engine
Which bike was your favorite?
how do you record voice at such high speeds? what mic you use? and how is it attached inside the helmet? thanks!
Will they be making these in 200/60?
Are you guys planning on doing Superbike and Super naked shootouts again?
Seems like only 200/55 so far. I'd love some more 60 profile options.. A 180, 190, and 200/60 options would be so nice.
Anyone know how the S23s compare to the Conti Raceattack 2 street?
Problem with S22 Fronts are they have half the lifespan of the rear's. One of the best front tyres i had on a bike but 4500 miles. 1mm Front, 3mm rear left. Usually for all other brands i get 2 rear tyres for one front tyre. OEM tyres so i will change back to Pirelli Rosso III that has a bit more life in them.