NEW KTM 1390 SUPER DUKE R REVIEW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.พ. 2024
- MORE power, MORE torque: the new KTM 1390 Super Duke R is primed for abuse at the launch in Almeria...
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Everytime I ride my 1290 I'm sad it'll only power wheelie in the first 4 gears, I'm glad KTM is still improving this anemic powerplant.
@FirstLast-ix7vhyep pretty much.
I’ve had my lift so many times on full chat, 6th gear of tiny bumps in the road.
@FirstLast-ix7vh while i was going full throttle with my 3gen SDR around 200km/h hitting a bump on the Autobahn it went into a whellie, i tell you that was an expierince
@FirstLast-ix7vh nope not at all, well never tried max out first to be honest if you want you can just launch in 2nd gear... there is enough low end power, top speed is around 300km/h but on a naked it is really an adventure to keep this speed. 5 and 6 gear are really long geared.
😂
@FirstLast-ix7vh Gearing is pretty long, in 6th I can ride 110km/h minimum (around 2000rpm), I almost never use 6th gear.
There was a time where 1300cc was the top of the mountain of bike engines where only the Hayabusa dared tread without getting into cruiser territory. Then KTM makes one, puts it in a slim frame and it weighs less than an old R1. Then they decided to make the engine even bigger. I love it when insanity looks this good.
But a sportsbike is too dangerous though, am i right?
Kawasaki said hello.
@@russcattell955izx14, and they're a lot lighter than they look, friend of mine has a 2014 and it feels like a big body 1k weight wise.
@@HeyAddieImTojo yup, any sportbike above 373cc is too dangerous, they limit it for track use only
@@z4520ft true my friend 😅
Half the budget for making this thing went on cocaine
I could never figure out which half :)
😂😂😂😂😂
@@Jonathan-L 🤣 same frame bigger engine. We can assume lol
Finally, a starter bike worth recommending in America
After I’m done building my house next year I’ll be trading in my Road Glide for one of these. Still 2 years out basically but I can’t wait. lol
Hell yea😁
@@My.name.goes.here.That make sense, you will be very glad. ….. probably not the best idea.
Sure is a good thing KTM didn't make this full-fairing, otherwise it might be unsafe
😂😂😂
I think there's a more practical reason for that - RSV4 is way more expensive to insure than a Tuono, for example. Can you guess why?
Is this a joke based on a comment they made as to why they ain't doing the fully faired version
@@512460 Correct
@@512460 “But with the increase in safety concerns, I’m afraid bikes like [the RC8] don’t belong on the street, only on a closed course”
Absolutely legend Junior! You made pops proud! 😁🙏
I love both 44 Teeth and LambChops. So this crossover is everything. Cheers from the states.
Would love a superbike shootout style test but with a mixture of super bikes and super naked , yes the super bikes will be faster but it will be nice to see how good naked bikes have got
This will be fun , nobody has done it too.
We need to smash this all the way to the Top. Would absolutely love to see this.
From this video it seems these super naked can beat a large part of super bikes. They have insane power and maintain street usability
Makes sense as there is no more gixxers or r1. Replace with this, Tuono and streetfighter
Father and son day out, lovely.
Hah
I’m so glad we’re still getting mental bikes like this..
I dont mind the cursing. Im honestly amazed you can still focus enough to talk while youre riding that beast.
Great to see Choppsy on the vid… would love to see more cross content with ol’ Chops.
Henceforth I require that all bike tests are scored by the number of times Al says “Fukkinell” in an extremely convincing, I’m about to go through a wall way.
Al, this is hands down the best of the 1390 tests out there! I love your onboards and live commentary, this is the kind of video that really gets across what a wonderful hooligan of a bike this is! I also much appreciate getting Jeremy McWilliams' comments! Absolute dream bike! Thank you and the crew for this top-shelf video!
Thanks 🙏🏽
Looks amazing. Sounds amazing. Good to see 'pops' aka Lamb Chops Rides👍👍
Whew! What a review! I'm stoked this bike came out just so we could hear Statham and Chopsie and Jezza discuss the thing. TOP presentation. And on to the bike - there is no doubt KTM have moved the bar right up. The one thing that gives me pause is the discussion that you can feel when the valve timing changes. I had a 2006 Interceptor which was supposed to be buttery smooth when the valve shift happened. Realistically, it wasn't quite. It kicked in at 7k, right about where a lot of street corner exits occur, and I didn't like the abrupt change in the torque right while I was sniffing for traction at corner exit. How much more lairy would it be on something with probably twice the torque of my 800 Interceptor? Fairly, I'd guess. I think I'll keep my EVO for now. The only time it's ever felt "lacking" was when the traction control or wheelie control were busy keeping me rubber side down. An always mental bike just became a bit more mental. Love it!
11:26 - that's not "another downside of the electronic suspension". It's actually an upside... you go out on track, you feel what you don't like then you change the suspension with a few clicks and go out again. You can even stay on the bike and be done with it in a few seconds as opposed to having to manually change it with tools. In what world is that a downside. If you only use the bike on track sure a conventional suspension is better but this is so much quality of life for the every day user. I wouldn't want to miss it on my Tuono Factory, I cruise on the softest setting until I reached the fun roads in my are and then I switch to the stiff track mode within a few seconds. Once I'm done riding spirited I cruise back home on the softest setting. Can't beat that.
Yeah sorry Al but old SNAPZ is right here.
I'd even add to the mix that the manual is NOT better than the electronic, because you can reach the exact same settings (given the internals are almost identical) on the electronic in manual mode as the conventional suspension, but with the added benefit of being able to slap Anti-dive and anti-squat on it if you want.
Totally agree. The only downside is if the electronics go haywire. Otherwise its awesome!
That torque figure is amazing, when you think its up there with big muscle bike cruisers and adventure bikes let alone the 190bhp
Chops truely is a giant of a man
Love the combined comments of Choppsy and yourself.Great entertainment.Thks.
The church of 'brraap' is still operating then.. :)
Blessings be upon you.
What would Nige do?
As usual a dynamic review here. Nice to see. Chopsy was a sunday ride but 44 teeth is a roller coaster ride!
Owned a 2017 Gen2 that I did countless trackdays on and watching that makes me want to get another one.
I have the 1290 r and have been a bit worried about tracking it, but I think I will have to this year. I have the akra system, so not sure I am passing any uk dB tests !
The 1290 with race mapping and that pipe is savage - so I can only imagine what the new engine is like
which Akra system? If its the full silencer and not the short little stubby one you'll be fine. @@james5553
I had mine tuned @Trackelectronics in Norwich with ECU Studio. As well as F/A and Ignition he tuned the throttle position maps, that was the game changer, the Track map became a proper track map, inputs were instant to the engine. Turned the Sport map into halfway between the Sport and Track maps. Man that bikes was batty fun. @@james5553
Great review thanks. Looks like you all had a great time. The SD is a monumental bike and Ktm are no longer the unreliable bikes they were. Great job.
Insane bike. Just got to swap the headlight with the previous gen 😉
Loved the bit with LCR at the end too
I had -21 1290sdr drove it 10k miles in 4 months. Most fun i've had on a motorcycle. Full exhaust and akra flash made big difference. Definetely giving this thing a test ride when summer arrives.
Had a gen 1 for 3 years and loved it. Seeing this may have persuaded me to have one last hurrah on a big V-Twin agsin before I get too old to cope!
Good to see chops and Jason having a blast, drink and chat… keep up the great content guys 👏
Right, best I head straight over to Chopsy’s review. Loving the collab lads!! 🙏🏻🙌🏼🙌🏼💪🏼💪🏼🔥🔥❤️
Great review! Convinced me to stay on my 3.0.
Best video in a while. Loved seeing chops in this one as well. Awesome
seeing the chatting with pops at the end was gold, glad I stayed until the end.
Cracking video. Not a bike for me but I found the video really enjoyable to watch, great having a bit of Choppsy on it too.
Love the collab with lambchops, need more of that.
You guys are so fortunate to have these test tracks. We rarely get opportunity in Canada to ride these amazing bikes.
Nice launch video and mental bike🤪. Cool that LCR was there to share some thoughts with. Always happy to see my YT crush on other channels😂
Whopper when Jeremy gets excited it's something else reminds me of being at kirkistown and him on the miller. Yamaha 500 GP bike full straight on the back wheel,,in the 90,s ,, what awesome bikes ☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland great video 👍👍👍
Great review. A demented beast & that's just Al. An amazing machine & bonkers indeed . Could listen to Jeremy for hours.
Lovely to see Chopsy Pops keeping an eye on you scallywags
I come back after having watched the video. And I liked it. It will be really hard not to jump the gun, now. I almost did it with the incentives on the '23 plates (even though incentives weren't as tempting in France), and I wanted to wait and see what the '24 would bring. I found the increase in price quite steep, and it would be a hard one to justify in any case. But, you'll only live once, as the saying goes, and I could be silly enough to follow the Lamb Chops' path (pretty sure he's sold on the bike, or the other way around). It's kind of funny how much I can relate to both you and your bike-dad. Quite tempted by the Evo, myself (a load of backroads on the menu). Keep on the good work. Just to say, I own a '21 1290 SAS, and I had no problems with it, with the exception of the seat that would drop from high to low during compressions. It has been fixed, albeit after one year of waiting. Incredible engine, though, and spankings for days. Say Hi to the Baron, I can relate to his struggles, I've been there (and yes, motorbikes are of great help).
Than you so much for bringing this state of mind to the masses, or at least keeping it alive.
I have just bought a gen 1 SDR for trackdays, can’t wait for the season to kick off.!
Not that track bikes have comfortable seats, but enjoy the factory perch... they are HORRENDOUS
@@hamishrhodes5108 I get what you’re saying but through previous injury I can no longer ride a superbike, this allows enough leg room for me to participate and also enough grunt to keep up with my mates.
Check out Superduked - he raced a Gen 1 and 2, his channel has got loads of good info
The one we have been waiting for 🔥🔥🔥
Great seeing Chopsie in a 44Teeth video!
Great vlog Al, luv the whooping and hollering not the too mention the hysterical laughter 😂 The Akra sounds amazing!!
Another awesome vid/review. Keep up the good work Nige!
Great entertainment Al and a very entertaining bike 🍻 Looks like Chopsy's next bike !
And the black colour way resembles the 2014 I had! Glad they got rid of the blue on the orange and made it look more how it used to.
If only they made it with RC8 style faring 😒
I’ve been putting off getting a Super Duke since its first debut in 2014. It’s time to bring one home.
Great video Jason. You and Chops should do more together, really good combo.
Couldn't imagine trying to ride this fast on a track. I got wicked quick on a 600 but never would imagine taking my fz-10 into advanced group on the track. I can't imagine this thing. Great vid.
Great video mate!
Ah finally the superduke is powerful enough for me to actually consider it as an upgrade from my Honda Ruckus scooter! I just don't think that old 1290 had the chops to be honest
Great vid and really nice to see Jeremy and Chopsy. Who was it who crashed?
Cracking review really enjoyed it 👍
To answer the question at the start, I have a 1290 GT, I have ridden the 1290 SAS, in the SAS state of tune the engine is rather smooth from down low and the QS works rather well, on the GT/R it's extremely quick and revs out but is very lumpy below 4000 RPM especially in the higher gears, if I could get SAS smoothness but with GT/R performance, I think this is the ticket...
your interview with LCR was EPIC.. he should be on BBB on something like a CB125 or a Vespa of some sort!
I love seeing the banter between 2 of my favourite British reviewers. Go 'Pops'.
Yea I was smacking 2018 duke on track for 3 years. You needed to believe in the chassis cornering as it was not very good tbh. I blown 2 engines as well..
But definitionally this is a bike people should be able to experience once in a live! Loved it
I like the new updates won’t be trading in my ZH2 SE for it but would love to have a ride on one.
Chopsy would make a great addition to the 44 Teeth team!!!!!!
Holy hell. My old 2008 990 SD has come some ways. Jesus. Love the review.
Great vid once again buddy. Love hearing you enjoying a track day. How many cows died to take to make chopys suit 😲🤪👍🏼
😂
3 kangaroos and 1 cow 😅
I thought he was riding in his gimp suit 😂
Loving the 44T/LCR collab. Chopsy, you ARE the farther!
Still love my Gen 2 dearly. The LC8 is just a gem in the grand scheme of life. I wonder how much different this Gen 4 feels as compared to the 2.
I love my 1290 gen 3. New it was £13k with 4 yr warranty. Would love a 1390 but not for £6k more. 0 reliability issues either before those people pipe up
You guys are the best motorcycle journalist❤❤❤
Thumbs up from Al and Chopsy? May have to take a closer look at the new Gen!
That headlight is growing on me 😅 was going to swap my gen 3 for streetfighter v4 this year but I'm tempted to get this now 🤤
RAMPANT! How delightfully OTT this whole bike, and genre, is. Long may it continue!
That background, sound, and description reminds me of a RC8 1190 I demoed. I wish I had a job at that time so I could have bought it. 😂
Thanks KTM for having this 🎉Love my Gen 1.
I had a brand new 2018 1290 Super Duke with full Akra exhaust and race tune, but I replaced it with an 2019 Tuono V4 1100 Factory as it was impossible to utilize the power, wheelies everywhere. IMHO the chassis just could not handle the power. I see nothing has changed
Be nice if they gave you a ride on a Moto Gp bike even if a couple of Gen old - it would be an interesting comparison.
I’m still enraptured with my 2020 gen 3, this must a nice update
That was excellent chatting with Jeremy McWilliams! As said, he's a legend 👍
Nice intro! Thought Dwight Schrute was on camera for a sec 🤣
I this the latest 'widow maker'?
I have a house 15 miles from Almeria RT....can't wait to get back. I often hear the racing on a breezy day. so need to get back there.
Love Chops watched him for beastie days and to think Al
tested the bike way back and now they are testing bikes together 😊
Yeah that actually is quite amazing forgot that 👍
Looked cracking fun ❤
Can't wait to get one of these bad boys....did a full suspension upgrade to my 2018, Ktech 25mm cartridges up front as you had no pre load adjustment, and Mupo AB1 EVO rear shock to get more swinging arm angle, bike was night and day on track compared to stock set up. Sportbike front end feel and precision, added 10mm length of shock length over stock and slid front forks up through the triples 2mm. Bike is the balls on track and I've had quite a few, can't wait to get one of these. JUST CURIOUS if the APEX PRO rear shock is length adjustable and KTM raised the rear for better the track set up????
Not sure about this gen, but there is a company in the states that make quite a lot of stuff for track prep of the standard suspension. I am about 90kg, so need to change out the springs on my gen 3. I am also a bit worried about the full akra on track. You think it will pop the dB meter?
@@james5553
You may already look this guy up.....Eric gogo Gulbransen.... He's been racing super dukes for over a decade, he has set up vids on his youtube channel for all the Gens, I used his set up Data myself and my bike is on rails, also has rear suspension links and adjustable triple clamps for the gen 3. If you want sport bike front end feel, insane edge grip and a bike that finishes turns use his set up. Either get a shock thats length adjustable or use his rear suspension links to increase swing arm angle or his rear linkage set up, lastly his adjustable triple clamps which he just produced, transforms the SDR on track to a whole new animal. As far as DB, I have the full titanium Akro on my 18 SDR which has a DB killer insert, track I go to has a stingy noise level restriction and I knew the standard Akro DB killer wouldn't cut it so I purchased another DB killer from Akro and modified it by extending the pipe that inserts into the baffle by 3 inches, worked like a charm. Not sure if the Gen 3 Akro has a DB killer or not but if it does you do what I did to knock down the DB level. Buy a DB meter they are cheap to see where youre at before and after. good luck.
Great vid as usual,, but is it worth the 8k to swap from a gen 3😮
great to see Lamb Chops on the channel :)
20:57 That was hilarious referencing being in a Spanish prison if you'd used it on the road 😂
Watching Pops' review next.
I love big bore V-Twins. I need to test this bike. Thanks for the video. (where is this track?)
Great video, Pops , Cameo from the godfather AKA the saint and a bonkers bike
Wow watching this I want it… had a 990 superduke back in 2007 here in Canada
Woah haven't seen LCR in a while and man... thought he had an airbag go off in the pits. Makes Fagan look like Kate Moss
You talk about preferring the conventional suspension over the electronic suspension because it's more consistent. But can't you just SET the electronic suspension to a particular setting and leave it there, or is it always adjusting/interfering?
Way to go AL! Backin' 'er in in 3rd on the shift-light. Bang another shift light in 4th at 180. Where oh Where is another RC8R ? "We can't build one for the street" It is nice to know that my RC390 is good enough fer me.
How did the new Power GP2's feel?
Simply Awesome! Thank you. Old school for conventional suspension settings? As someone who raced Superbikes throughout the 90’s and still do the occasional track day at my old home raceway being Phillip Island, I will take the “basic”, fully adjustable suspension over a semi-active one any day! As we are all different (even if achieving similar lap times) and will require a click or two different front and rear, that you set and forget for each track once you’ve found the best settings and also have seperate settings for a wet track. It’s predictable, with predictability, comes confidence, with confidence, comes quicker lap times. On the street, is the only place where I can see the semi active suspension potentially being a positive. However, for the additional cost, just stick with the manually adjustable suspension as it doesn’t take a lot of time to make a simply click adjustment depending on the riding conditions. If you are unsure, like most, on how to set up your suspension for your weight and riding style then take it to a professional and you will still have coin leftover to spend on tyre replacements as this new beast will wear them out at a faster rate than possible any other bike on the road. Can’t wait to test one out and perhaps make space for it in the garage. 👍😎
You're missing the humongous glaring, shining point of the fact that you can achieve the exact same settings with electronic suspension as in the manual by setting it to "manual" mode and then if you feel "ooohh rebound was a little fast here" you can just click down for the next lap without ever having to pull in, not something you can do with manual... And this is not mentioning that you can have manual AND then Anti-dive and Anti-squat on TOP of the manual mode. There is no universe where a high quality manual will beat an equally high quality electronic suspension nowadays, those days are gone.
@@AntaresSQ01 So your not actually talking about race pace. When you have countless laps, and typically base line settings for each track already. So come race day (unless the conditions have changed, the weather) you don’t change it during any lap as you simply don’t have the luxury of time, nor do you want to be thinking if only this and that was better. I love its adaptability on the streets, just not on a race track. Think about it from this perspective.
@@marcusgeorge1825 Still applies from that perspective too, bikes change, over the course of a race even, you have less grip with worn tyres, you can most certainly change the settings going down the straight, there is 3 manual modes, you can have the same preset, learned from the track set up at various stages of wear and fuel, you can even have 1 for "dry high grip", "dry low grip" and "wet" being able to deal with all eventualities, not at the mercy of hoping you get the setting right going from the pits. Not to mention, tracks change year to year, everytime you go there you have to use precious time in practice to find the right setting, even if it's a little different. Then there is human placebo, you think your different manual settings helped, when in fact they made no difference, because between taking that corner with the bump in the middle, and changing the settings and hitting it, 10 minutes pass, forgetting exactly what was not so nice about the previous setup. Electronic can do everything that manual can but with more convenience, faster, and a 100 times greater adaptability, not even mentioning the aforementioned bonuses such as Anti dive. Anti dive alone destroys any argument for manual suspension as you quite simply get straight up, undeniably, flat out increase in braking performance.
@@AntaresSQ01 Call me old school as I was riding when the original hype about anti dive went as quickly as it came. As you require a level of fork dive when entering any corners for so many reasons that I can’t be bothered listing. I did however say that I do love the electronic suspension on my road bikes. I just enjoy the using the knowledge required to set up any bike in the first place as even the electronic suspension comes with various limitations. Phillip Island raceway was my home racetrack and still is for the occasional track day. On one particular day I was invited to ride test back to back bikes (same bikes), one with electronic suspension and one fitted with just manual settings. Interestingly, my lap times were slightly better without the electronic suspension at play and I’ve done thousands of laps around this particular circuit spanning more than 3 decades. As an ex endorsed factory team racer I do know a thing or two when it comes to two wheels. These days I’m more involved in developing young talent and sponsorship. Perhaps best to agree to disagreeing. 😬
I wish it didnt have those "fang" body features because the frame looks so good. They might have to find a new place for the electronics though....
I’ve always overlooked KTM, due to old issues, but this video has made me jump to autotrader 😂
Never seen the swearbox filled so quickly 😂
How are the new Michelins compared to the KTM stamped S22s?
Gen 3 owner and I’m just about ready for some new tyres
Loved the video gents!
Both yours and Chops are great reviews of this beast , i can buy a 1290 for $15,000 new now is it really worth 5K more for this model ?
Love this review. Would love to see a hyper naked shoot out with control tires.
And now I want one. Thanks.
My licence would be gone within a week riding that here in the UK, My MT is plenty for A road blasts in the west country .
Chopsie’s looking well fed….