We've Put the Michelin Cup 2 on the McLaren 675LT...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- @RobertMitchell was getting many requests to try the Cup 2s on the 675 LT. It is one of the best semi-slick tyres and you'd expect it to work, but surprisingly the findings on the LT were quite the opposite.
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For the repeating questions:
- This was filmed 2 weeks ago. As much as Robert and I both love the 675LT, I'm sure we'd fight over driving our new GR Yaris instead if we had the opportunity. (Video was filmed before we got the car).
- Yes, the LT got a crack in the windscreen. For 2 years already! Here is when it happened, if you're new you should really check out this video: th-cam.com/video/qG2if84cqvM/w-d-xo.html
Oh, that is actually windshield cracked, I thought it was some odd reflection.
I Will drop by some time if possible i am allmost every year on the ring thx for such cool content on your channel
hey Misha i didn't mind the sound at all!!!
For repeated questions throughout the comment section, which version of Cup 2 did you put on the 675LT? What was the hot tire pressure?
How do you pass MOT with the cracked windshield?
Love the sound of the 675LT, it’s my favourite Mac.
It's a tough life you boys lead.
Still the best looking Mclaren out there 👍
F1 is better
Finally the 675LT makes an appearance. It should be featured more regularly. Interesting to know that these tyres don't really work on this car. One would assume that a tyre like the Cup 2 would be brilliant on any supercar. The roof scoop sounds though...
Brilliant video ... love the 675LT
Good info! Too bad you didn't try the revised "Cup2 Connects" (like a Cup 2.5 revision), hard to find any good test data on them so far, Michelin says its faster and stiffer sidewalls vs Cup 2 but no proper tests yet... Thanks for great informative content as always!
I noticed that as the tires got warmer you did get braver
So, did you guys experiment enough to determine what tyre is most suited for the McLaren 675LT? Just curious 🤨 , I know that the Michelin Cup 2’s are considered by many drivers to be the ultimate high performance tyre. For the average enthusiast out here it certainly makes sense to trust in the pros such as yourself to give honest assessments of equipment and invest our precious resources in what appears to be the best for our personal situations!! Great job guys !! Certainly enjoyed the presentation and opinions expressed ... 😊😊!
675lt is 1 of my favourite mclarens cheers steve 👍 😀
Okay Robert, I get your subtle hint that I must've forgotten a car or two when commenting under one of your recent videos. You remember, the giveaway (hope this persuades people to subscribe to @RobertMitchell😆) great video Misha! Thanks guys
Robert beast of a driver at Nürburgring, what's his Best time at the ring?
Dit rondje komt bekent voor, weer die Martin.
You guys should really have a deep dive in the world of Michelin tyres, all the different cup2 oem variations are very confusing and makes it almost impossible to choose a cup2 that works on your own car, because all the Michelin tires are different...and even the promised cup2 connect doesn't do the job right.
For example, the Gt3r N2 marked cup 2 is equal to Trofeos in speed, but normal cup2s for let say an m2 is alot slower and totally different...
I hate this fact that Michelin haven't given us a really good trackday tire across the range since the cup 1 och Cup +.
Best regards from Sweden!
I have argued in the past that certain tires/tyres work better on certain cars, I don't fully understand the physics off it, but have at a much lower performance level proved it myself..
I can kind of relate it to my experience driving a Subaru Imprezza P1 slowly, then driving it quickly on a lesser tire, the car hated the so called better tire at slow speed, and ever so slightly better when on it.
From when is this video? Are you guys allowed to drive on the track when it's closed for Touristenfahrten? I am asking since they did not open it since 22.11.20
2 weeks old, filmed during TF :)
Hey Robert .. stand aside and let Misha have a crack at the LT 👍
Was that a Tier 1 review of a Tier 2 tyre, at least for this application?
We gotta ask McLaren!
Soooo... You would say these tires are not your CUP of tea? :bad-um 675LT blow-off valve tsss:
Casually in shorts XD
That engine love to rev😍
I wonder if you try them again during the summer
Surely!
Get the Yaris out for a lap
Sure
@@mgcharoudin What were the tyre pressures in the 675LT..........., asking for a friend😔 I know this kind of question is annoying but I have to live with this person🤣🤔
Well but the question is what cup 2 did he use? N1? Ferrari cup 2? General cup 2? There are a few options for the 675lt what was the recommended cup 2 submodel and what did Robert used?
Love you guy's...
interesting. The lap didn't look particular fun.
The steering looked a bit non-linear (especially start of the lap), or like a irregular force feedback . Or is that the camera and the stabilization at work? Good looking car, though.
Possibly the latter
I would learn to drive the Ring a lot faster than learning the corner names and pronunciation.
As mush as the Ring is a public 'road', do a lot of people use it as "just" a road? Or is it mostly people using it for fun?
Nobody uses it as a normal road besause it leads nowhere. The fact that it's a public road just defines the rules used on it
Has the windscreen/shield a huge crack in the middle or is it just a reflection?
Pinned comment 😬
what rubber would u recommend for.. 1000kg FWD, car? i was thinking about Michelin 4S but dunno. Maybe Pirelli? or nankang?
Im in a similar position, got a Astra GSi that weighs about the same. I have watched a vid of Robert explaining the tyres they use on track and with some additional research I picked the Nankang NS2R's. Road legal and overall good tyre in different conditions even in the wet. AR1 is faster but worse in wet, PS4S is also a good tyre but not as fast as a NS2R in dry. With some research you can easily find a tyre that fits your needs.
@@rodneyyy95 yeah also was going for NS2R’s just first i need to design rim for my car. And sort out the size and profile of rubber etc..
Bangfang Ditchfinders. Hardness level 5000
Wow to say that car has turbos it sounds NA.
What was the air and track temperature that day? My cars slide all over the place when it's below 47 F.
I rather dislike the upshift tone.
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Getting famous off comments day 193, so I can live the dream, live everyday like it’s your last day🚀
Yeee i support you
"live everyday like it's your last day"... By posting pointless comments on TH-cam? How fulfilling
@@tommotube bruv, if it is his thing and he likes doing it, well for him, maybe it is fulfilling for him
It wouldn't be a mclaren without a cracked windshield.
Cracklaren. 😁
What would it be without a cracked windscreen, then?
McCracken 🤣
McLaren optional extras:
- Remove stereo for extra cash
- Remove A/C for extra cash
- Standard windscreen thickness for "free"?
I guess it is true that not all tyres work on all cars, good job no brand deal stops you fitting the right tyre for the right car 😀
Always love the blow-off valve (?) sounds of the 675LT!
I must say you went really fast through the Herpelderp. And really held good speed through the Hørkelkuchen, all through to the Hagenberkweklaufehefen.
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It's Hagenberkweklaufehebleffenfleffenfen everyone knows that name
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Yes. but the pros call it "Hagenberkweklaufehefen" for short.
3:53 that was a real clubsport S, its good seeing them on the track :)
Can it be too cold for the Cup 2's to perform?
Yes and no. Other tyres have no issue with it. Same as Cup2s work on other cars in these temps.
@@mgcharoudin So the Trofeo's are more "compatible" with the McLaren.
@@RoaldHemel35 that's McLaren's tyre, so yes. But then again, AR-1s perform even better.
@@mgcharoudin Have you put AR-1s on a Maca?
@@Jdmjunkie001 yes
Tirereviews had some reviews on the Trofeo R and the Cup 2.
Also (don‘t remember the name) a german youtuber with a GT3 tested the Trofeo R on his car and had the experience the other way around.
Trofeo R seems to be the tire with softer sidewalls, so it acts more as a part of the suspension than the Cup 2.
So the whole steering and damping has to be more stiff and direct with the Trofeo R, thats maybe why you guys felt not comfortable.
Car seems to be overdamped with this tire...
Might be a reason! Anyhow, great video 😍
I had a set of those on my RWD 991 as well. They need wearing in, trust me. Not an issue on the MR. More so on the Mclaren is my guess.
Internet rule #1... trust nothing on the internet
So, do I not trust this rule, since it is on the internet? :S
@@berzerkrobot nice deduction, yet you ask for confirmation from said internet. Fail
@@Uathankicks The only fail is your sense of humor.
Its the weather. Retest on a 25+ degree day
You can tell me how good the new mclarens look but the 675 is still a splatter of testosterone in your face
Nothing from Woking looks better than 675.
675 LT is a serious sports car...its fast...there is nothing slow about that car....its "not" an entry level Mclaren
O yes my favorite car is back on the channel. This thing had the perfect spec.
One of the best car. 👌🔥❤
I really like the orange on the 675LT
So what about the Cup 2 R?
Don´t care about the rear or back micro of the GoPro! This car sounds amazing from every direction!
I like the noise of the 675 more than the 620R.
Good video
Good comment
The sound of that thing is just great!
Oh, part of this video was in yesterday's vlog.
I was wonder why it felt familiar.
Correct!
who is faster, the 600lt or the 675lt?
The engine sound in this car is vicious. Love it
They looked like they are working.. I can imagine from the seat its a different feeling.. I know I can feel when my NT01s are getting to that point.. this actually made me change wheels due to cold weather in America thanks for the reminder..lol.. great stuff guys
I thought you guys sold the 675LT. This car has sooooo much character.
Nope hadn’t even considered selling this car
Thats why tires are developed with and for specific cars in mind. McLaren mostly feel good with Pirelli (mostly) or Toyo's or Dunlop slick. Thats alot of sliding, makes it look like the LT is off balance.
Trofeo r are better tyres, but little bit less life and they are little bit expensive than cup2.
did you put on PSC2's with homologation for other car manufacturer? usually cars like you drive have specifically developed tyres in cooperation between car and tyre manufacturer and that ends in very different final product in same dimension than non(or different)-homologated tyre. dimension, SI, LI, looks and the name are the same but construction and compound is pretty different. also, geometry of a car that is good for OE tyre is very likely not good for others + dimensions (overall diameter particularly) can confuse electronics if not within permitted tolerances even satisfying ETRTO standards.
I have to preface it with the fact that I am in no way an expert and don't know a lot about this so I could be wrong, but could the Cup 2 be a tire that benefits from having more weight pressing on it compared to the Trofeo? AFAIK, the Trofeo has a lower treadwear than the Cup 2. Therefore it would be reasonable to assume that it has harder compound that requires more energy to get it up to optimal temperature, which isn't an issue in a heavier GT2, but is an issue in a lighter 675LT. Therefore by the time it would have optimal temperature with the McLaren it would already be worn and not as optimal as a new tire. I guess one way to test that theory would be to use tirewarmers and put pre warmed tires on McLaren and see how it does then. But I have to repeat, not an expert, just thinking out loud based on the limited knowledge I have, at close to 4 A.M. no less.
P.S.I knew Tom had a Rolex Air-King this whole time (us watch guys can spot things like that from tiniest of details), this video just confirmed it with certainty.
michelin cup 2 aren’t great in cold weather. I also hate them on my megane 3 rs. You get heat in the nankang AR1 much sooner. U should lay these tires aside, try them again on a 25+ day, then they are great but also not on the first lap. Look at the tread wear of the tire, almost double of that of AR1 or trofeo R...also the tires on the GT2 RS are cup 2 R, not the normal cup 2...
Hi Misha! Can you ask Matias, if this is his old Porsche? :) Ok, it says "no track driven." :D www.nettiauto.com/porsche/911/11765794
Misha, how is your back treating you after hours upon hours, day by day in sports cars? I know truck drivers complain about it and they do have pneumatic seats. So I wonder if being a track driver is worse on your back. You must be doing more miles on the track, than pro racing drivers.
Dang one day I need to collab and make a video with you cuz the things in your vids are my dreams!
Reeves Callaway has a great quote that essentially states, "Everything about a car is there to make the tires work." Is there something intrinsic about the McLaren's suspension or chassis that is not "switching on" the Michelin Cup 2 tire? Also, do you ever check tire temps with a pyrometer to be sure the tire is being utilized correctly across the entire surface?
So how can I subscribe to Roberts onlyfans?
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Is the cold weather possibly a factor in the performance of the tire? It would only make sense. It looks really miserable that day. I wonder if you guys have had those tires on the car during a warm day?
Misha, how come Robert doesn't let you taxi the McLaren & Porsche GT2?
hol up robert has 2 675LT' s? what did i miss?
I’ve had this one going on 5 years and the blue one going on 4🤣🤣
@@RobertMitchell haha didnt know that, shows how special the car is!
So whats the beebing sound from the car? Just curious :)
Tyre pressures maybe ? Might need more.
Misha that’s too much car for you 😂😂😂
Where is ice cold moriz? And rest team?
Why is the driver sat so close to the wheel?
Crack in windscreen ?? Expensive to replace?
So whats the temp? Sounds like the temps are too low.
PS4S's are way better than P-Zero's on those cars, I found that out when I changed and scared myself at how much better it handled. Odd at the track level you didn't find that, I've talked to others who say Cup 2's are better on theirs. Perhaps the difference is in the suspension geometry, or tire pressures. I know actual tire dimensions are different for the same size.
Can he try dunlop sportmax RT on this car?
Misha: Laps with the Yaris ???
Wait since when did you still have that car? I thought it was long since replaced by other cars.
No I’ve never even Consider selling this car.
What about Trofeos on the GT2RS? 🤯
It looks like the car is way too stiff
That cracked Windscreen 😭😭
Great video.. is it possible the extra tire movement is due to tire pressures. I know from experience the cup 2 tires get very squirmy at pressures above 34 psi and I usually keep them around 30 psi (hot pressure) to stay planted which means I start the laps at 21 to 23 psi to hit these targets and often had to bleed some more air to keep them closer to 30 psi. Just curious what tire pressures Robert had during his 1st session. Mark
i would think sitting upright in the bucket seats might be okay for their backs?
Did you try to compete with the 675lt against an gt2rs or 488 pista/f8 like roll races in the autobahn ?
We don't do these type of things around here.
Is it possible that you just need to change your driving style with this car on these tyres?
The same thing happens to me on my track bike, change of tyres affect how early or late I need to apex.
Yess
Apologies if I missed it but did you experiment with tyre (tire 😝) pressures at all?
Hi Misha..
Great onboard lap with Robert!
Love his driving skills (eg smooth & precise )
Hmm not all tyres are what they hyped up to be huh?
Absolutely LOVE the McLaren💕.
Thanx 4 sharing Misha, Godbless & hava g'day 🙂
Interesting findings regarding the highly regarded Cup2, that it doesn’t work on the 675, what tyres would you recommend for dry track? The OE Trofeo R or Nankang that I believe you have used?
Thanks for the insight
Hi Misha, love the work you and Robert is putting on. Your content very helpful for those that owns similar type vehicles who tracks. Would you please share your track aliment for the 720s? I left a similar comment to Robert but I suppose the messages just flooded in and got washed away. Thank you!
Hi Misha, not all Cup2 are created equal. Porsche marked Cup2s are significantly tuned for dry and track (also tuned for the car it's supposed to be mounted on), compared to normal broad market unmarked tires.
If Robert bought unmarked tires, they are on a more "road" use compromise.
When Chris Harris did his famous P1/Laf/918 head to head around Portimao, there was a mix between the Cup 2 and the Trof. The Cup got binned so all cars could be on the same tyre, in his opinion the best. The Trofeo.
Tyre dealer said you have to have toyos to replace a set of Bridgestone SO2 with carbon fibre sidewalls. A civic vti areodeck with factory body kit. I drove out of dealer and straight back they where crap. So know how you feel Robert