The Thing from Another World is my favorite movie, so I really enjoyed this presentation. Loved the ending with the re-enactment (seen for the first time) of the saucer landing in the ice and descending into it.
Why would he come from Mars ? Venus might the best as if the pilot was a vegetable type anyway Venus might be the home as it might be the best choice of possible jungles and plant life, I love science fiction LOL.
Nice job. Love this movie. Fun fact: When they accidentally blow up the saucer, the camera pans up following the blast, right over the top of the fake snow backdrop, revealing the sky around the ice factory.
I like this. It gets away from a pure saucer into a aerodynamic shape. After 1966, Star Trek made every other flying saucer obsolete. Yes, the USS Enterprise is an interplanetary flying saucer modified for interstellar travel. Nobody seems to have caught on to the fact the underside of the saucer is generally shaped like an aerospike nozzle. With all the incarnations of that show, it's funny how nobody ever reconciled the evolution in Matt Jeffries' concept, from a saucer to a dispersed structure to embrace the story inherent in the design.
Must have seen this movie 20, or so times, (now have a DVD copy). Next time I view it your presentation will add an extra fun element. Thank you. Keep watching the skies!
Hi Steve. Please do a presentation on the Manta-Ray Martian War Machines from "War of the Worlds" (Paramount : 1953). I have often fantasized about the interior of the vehicles, and how they might have operated. I am sure that space on the inside, was at a premium, very much like one of our own tanks !!
The interior seemed to have some kind of fluid to keep them safe and isolated from our atmosphere it might of also keep them in a state of suspended animation till the time was right for them to wake up😃
Awesome! Your design principles totally work for me dude. I don't know why, but I always believed he landed in the frozen north due to pilot error or flight control problems. I thought he meant to land on the ocean surface and the skid you designed would enable him to skim until reaching land.
No.. They filed the tail section a declared it as unknown. Radio activity was still present. I made up that some of the fuel was left, and it exploded under the heat of melting the ice.
They didn't understand what they were talking in movies then and just because something has gravity wave impellers doesn't mean something failed so it crashed, you're stuck in 1951 too.
Enjoyed your video, one of my favorite movies.. I feel you did overlook something crucial. As stated in the movie, the scientists detected not only atomic radiation (which tripped the high speed camera) but also a large magnetic anomaly after the ship crashed or disappeared out of range of the cameras. Doctor Carrington said it was "as if 20,000 tons of iron or steel had become part of the earth". No way would that small ship weigh more than a few tons. Cpt Henry stated, "That's an awful lot of steel for an airplane". . Now either the ship used some sort of magnetic propulsion OR I would submit, the saucer used fusion reaction rocket engines and not atomic fission engines. A very large electromagnetic containment field would be needed for a lightweight fusion reaction drive. The nuclear radiation detected at the crash site most likely was due to some sort of poorly shielded atomic battery or small fission reactor used to generate electricity for the magnetic field. . At the point when the team arrived at the crash sight the engine thrust was off but the fission reactor/battery and the containment field were still operating. They were detecting both radiation and the magnetic field in the transport plane. When the thermite bombs burned through the ship it ruptured the Hydrogen (or Deuterium) fuel tanks which exploded, as you stated, destroying the saucer. During the explosion the damaged fission reactor/battery went critical, overheated and melted through the ice (China Syndrome) slightly contaminating the Thing. The super hot reactor sunk deep enough in the ice it was no longer detectable by the Geiger counter other than a little "residual radiation" as Dr. Carrington stated. I assume the magnetic field was no longer active as it is not mentioned again. Thanks, again I enjoy your videos.
Great presentation, well thought out, and I love the movie. One idea that has been put forth is that the explosion was deliberately done by the pilot prior to escaping and being frozen outside the ship. Why I'm not sure unless preplanned to hide evidence of the ship after landing. The landing skid reminds me of the German rocket powered Me 163 and Arado jet bomber of WWII. It would also make sense for an invader as wheels require a runway and an invader wants to land out-of-sight.
No way could I even guess what shape this ship was, love these imagination 3D constructions that then go on to try and understand from a human point of view how an alien craft is powered lol
The original short story on which it was based, albeit loosely, gives a hint as to why it exploded under the extreme heat of the thermite. The ship’s hull was hypothesized to be at least 90% composed of a kind of “acid-passivated magnesium” which we know ignites brilliantly under thermite temperatures.
I really love the time, thought, and effort you put into your videos. Thank's for that. Have you ever considered doing one for the "Spindrift" from the "Land of the Giants" series?
Outstanding work, as always, Steve . I'm very impressed by the design you came up with for the fuselage, a "lifting body" that is round when seen from above. Perfect. One thing puzzled me: are you sure you meant "avionics" when you were talking about the shape of the craft? Avionics is defined as "electronics as applied to aviation" or "electronic equipment fitted in an aircraft". Didn't you mean "aerodynamics" when you discussing the flight capabilities of the fuselage? Just wondered.
Stumbled upon this video while searching for trailers. Being a former Avionics Technician I was curious as to why you use the word AVIONICS several times when you should be using the word AERODYNAMICS.
Same here. It's interesting how he pulls in all kinds of other technical jargon but gets this wrong. Makes one wonder what else would fail under closer scrutiny. Take the landing gear, tricycle is the most stable/economic configuration. Configuring a ship with a mono skid for a planet where the landing zones are uncertain would be rather risky. I could go on, but you get the idea.
What if the 1951 Thing was sent to capture and return with the 1982 Thing? I find that idea interesting and it let's the events in both movies to exist.
Overall, pretty impressive I'd say and it gave me a much better idea of what the space ship looked liked and how it landed the way that it did. I noticed that in the movie there is absolutely nothing visible below the ice where the men have all formed. I guess it would have been too expensive to have put something below them in order to show that there was actually something present there; so they improvised instead, and I doubt that too many people noticed given that the movie itself was so realistically shot.
Good video and I agree with most of your conclusions. I suspect the ship might have had a little more maneuverability than stated because of size, less weight and design aerodynamics. Perhaps controls were in place not evident in movie. Just a thought and speculation.
I agree with you its possible. But the ship's only had to make it to ground. No dog fighting or radar avoidance. Its a suicide ship. Get it to the ground, reproduce, protect and provide food for the off spring.
Great stuff, Steve! But I always felt the alien (James Arness) was an escaped prisoner or maybe someone who was forcibly exiled from it's homeworld. What d'ya, think?
Most likely it was either a prison ship, or someone's version of a zoological specimen ship. The specimens were kept in cryosleep, and since many of the specimens were dangerous, the ship was made of liquid metal, only to be "opened" on return to the homeworld. The top structure was a portion of the "bridge" and control systems needed to keep the specimens (plural) under control and fly the ship. Something went wrong somewhere; the pilot ditched the ship in the polar region in the hopes that it would keep the specimens contained until another ship could be dispatched to recover the original. Whatever happened to the pilot is anyone's guess; I fear his/her/it's demise was not a pleasant one. I also think if the ship had been further damaged, The Thing may have been just the tip of the iceberg, pun intended...
I’m by no means a expert. Not in any way. But I was curious. You have the shape and thrust, and talk about the shape helping it “go up”. But this is a ship that wouldn’t be designed for that. It’s designed for space travel. So they wouldn’t design it with earth gravity in mind
I believe the screenwriter left that trail of breadcrumbs for someone like you in the future when the technology was right to create a long-distance starship. Perhaps he was an alien come to help us along, or perhaps in some high drama he was going against his own mission objective. If you haven't done so already, please share your design with NASA, which is a U.S. agency called the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, or Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. Your design appears more efficient than our present vehicles.
great vid an analysis of what the alien was up to but how could he have traveled vast distances? I'm talking many many light years away as we know we don't believe there's anything this intelligent inside our own solar system except for us. So therefore he would have had to travel thousands of light-years how could he do that in such a small ship and survive what did he eat?
I don't know where the saucer originated from. However the saucer's size is shown. There is no reason to believe there was mothership or any staging components. A simple single stage to interplanetary craft some 70' across is much easier to believe than a single stage to interstellar craft. The explosion showed no special materials (anti-matter) other than uranium. Conclusion for me is a single stage starting within our solar system and ending on Earth, no return trip was in the cards.
Actually its in the early stages(design only). It will be a Tri-Pod with an organic look. Right now big on tentacles. The tour should include the meteor itself and Earth assembly of the Tri-pods.
Astronaut,Armstrong.Saw alien ships on the rim of a crater of the moon.On this Apollo 11 mission..He told base back on earth.(they are here washing us.The ships are huge.
The Thing from Another World is my favorite movie, so I really enjoyed this presentation. Loved the ending with the re-enactment (seen for the first time) of the saucer landing in the ice and descending into it.
Thanks
Completely logical and feasible extrapolations,sir! Amazing vid! Thanks for the upload!
Why would he come from Mars ? Venus might the best as if the pilot was a vegetable type anyway Venus might be the home as it might be the best choice of possible jungles and plant life, I love science fiction LOL.
Nice job. Love this movie. Fun fact: When they accidentally blow up the saucer, the camera pans up following the blast, right over the top of the fake snow backdrop, revealing the sky around the ice factory.
Very cool! You do wonderful diagrams and models of these classic space ships. Thanks!
***** Your Very Welcome.
Its take months to create a presentation which seems possible,
so a complement is always welcome.
I like this. It gets away from a pure saucer into a aerodynamic shape.
After 1966, Star Trek made every other flying saucer obsolete. Yes, the USS Enterprise is an interplanetary flying saucer modified for interstellar travel. Nobody seems to have caught on to the fact the underside of the saucer is generally shaped like an aerospike nozzle. With all the incarnations of that show, it's funny how nobody ever reconciled the evolution in Matt Jeffries' concept, from a saucer to a dispersed structure to embrace the story inherent in the design.
Totally cool! I love that movie. The old movies are the best. The Thing and Forbidden Planet
Absolutely right on thee great movies.
Must have seen this movie 20, or so times, (now have a DVD copy). Next time I view it your presentation will add an extra fun element. Thank you. Keep watching the skies!
Hi Steve. Please do a presentation on the Manta-Ray Martian War Machines from "War of the Worlds" (Paramount : 1953). I have often fantasized about the interior of the vehicles, and how they might have operated. I am sure that space on the inside, was at a premium, very much like one of our own tanks !!
The interior seemed to have some kind of fluid to keep them safe and isolated from our atmosphere it might of also keep them in a state of suspended animation till the time was right for them to wake up😃
Tell me about it. Man, I would put thousand just to get this guy back.
I have tried a couple of times and never been happy with it. Maybe some will happen soon.
Hi Steve: Great work and a great study in extrapolative aerodynamics. Loved the animation that demoed the landing and final attitude.
Thank you. Your are the 1st to mention the little extra scene on the end. Buck Rogers has a little fly by.
In the movie the thing had small thorns on his knuckles that were seeds for new creatures like him self.
I like that movie. The remake was pretty good too.
That is a very good analysis of what took place that the viewing audience did not see.
Thanks!
Steve
Awesome! Your design principles totally work for me dude. I don't know why, but I always believed he landed in the frozen north due to pilot error or flight control problems. I thought he meant to land on the ocean surface and the skid you designed would enable him to skim until reaching land.
Wow,You are great.
3:35 In the story that the film is based on it is the craft's hull metal that catches fire and burns. It is made of Magnesium
No.. They filed the tail section a declared it as unknown. Radio activity was still present. I made up that some of the fuel was left, and it exploded under the heat of melting the ice.
They didn't understand what they were talking in movies then and just because something has gravity wave impellers doesn't mean something failed so it crashed, you're stuck in 1951 too.
Well done and logical
WOW!😱 Far out👍😂
Enjoyed your video, one of my favorite movies.. I feel you did overlook something crucial. As stated in the movie, the scientists detected not only atomic radiation (which tripped the high speed camera) but also a large magnetic anomaly after the ship crashed or disappeared out of range of the cameras. Doctor Carrington said it was "as if 20,000 tons of iron or steel had become part of the earth". No way would that small ship weigh more than a few tons. Cpt Henry stated, "That's an awful lot of steel for an airplane". . Now either the ship used some sort of magnetic propulsion OR I would submit, the saucer used fusion reaction rocket engines and not atomic fission engines. A very large electromagnetic containment field would be needed for a lightweight fusion reaction drive. The nuclear radiation detected at the crash site most likely was due to some sort of poorly shielded atomic battery or small fission reactor used to generate electricity for the magnetic field. . At the point when the team arrived at the crash sight the engine thrust was off but the fission reactor/battery and the containment field were still operating. They were detecting both radiation and the magnetic field in the transport plane. When the thermite bombs burned through the ship it ruptured the Hydrogen (or Deuterium) fuel tanks which exploded, as you stated, destroying the saucer. During the explosion the damaged fission reactor/battery went critical, overheated and melted through the ice (China Syndrome) slightly contaminating the Thing. The super hot reactor sunk deep enough in the ice it was no longer detectable by the Geiger counter other than a little "residual radiation" as Dr. Carrington stated. I assume the magnetic field was no longer active as it is not mentioned again. Thanks, again I enjoy your videos.
Love the thought you invested in this great classic movie.
Great presentation, well thought out, and I love the movie. One idea that has been put forth is that the explosion was deliberately done by the pilot prior to escaping and being frozen outside the ship. Why I'm not sure unless preplanned to hide evidence of the ship after landing. The landing skid reminds me of the German rocket powered Me 163 and Arado jet bomber of WWII. It would also make sense for an invader as wheels require a runway and an invader wants to land out-of-sight.
OOO.. very good idea.
No way could I even guess what shape this ship was, love these imagination 3D constructions that then go on to try and understand from a human point of view how an alien craft is powered lol
The original short story on which it was based, albeit loosely, gives a hint as to why it exploded under the extreme heat of the thermite. The ship’s hull was hypothesized to be at least 90% composed of a kind of “acid-passivated magnesium” which we know ignites brilliantly under thermite temperatures.
I really love the time, thought, and effort you put into your videos. Thank's for that. Have you ever considered doing one for the "Spindrift" from the "Land of the Giants" series?
In the movie , the vertical stabilizer had a curvature. You example shows it as straight.
Outstanding work, as always, Steve . I'm very impressed by the design you came up with for the fuselage, a "lifting body" that is round when seen from above. Perfect.
One thing puzzled me: are you sure you meant "avionics" when you were talking about the shape of the craft? Avionics is defined as "electronics as applied to aviation" or "electronic equipment fitted in an aircraft".
Didn't you mean "aerodynamics" when you discussing the flight capabilities of the fuselage? Just wondered.
+Bud Brewster You are correct "Avionics" are the electronics, I meant to call for control surfaces.
But nice to know your listening.
Steve
Have you done the saucer from "The Day The Earth Stood Still?"
Stumbled upon this video while searching for trailers.
Being a former Avionics Technician I was curious as to why you use the word AVIONICS several times when you should be using the word AERODYNAMICS.
Its jarring isn't it.
Same here. It's interesting how he pulls in all kinds of other technical jargon but gets this wrong. Makes one wonder what else would fail under closer scrutiny. Take the landing gear, tricycle is the most stable/economic configuration. Configuring a ship with a mono skid for a planet where the landing zones are uncertain would be rather risky. I could go on, but you get the idea.
Can you imagine if some production team were to do a remake of this movie ! ??!!!!
What if the 1951 Thing was sent to capture and return with the 1982 Thing?
I find that idea interesting and it let's the events in both movies to exist.
Overall, pretty impressive I'd say and it gave me a much better idea of what the space ship looked liked and how it landed the way that it did. I noticed that in the movie there is absolutely nothing visible below the ice where the men have all formed. I guess it would have been too expensive to have put something below them in order to show that there was actually something present there; so they improvised instead, and I doubt that too many people noticed given that the movie itself was so realistically shot.
"... creature comforts..." LOL
The Baltic sea anomaly.That would be a great discovery if real.
Good video and I agree with most of your conclusions. I suspect the ship might have had a little more maneuverability than stated because of size, less weight and design aerodynamics. Perhaps controls were in place not evident in movie. Just a thought and speculation.
I agree with you its possible. But the ship's only had to make it to ground. No dog fighting or radar avoidance. Its a suicide ship. Get it to the ground, reproduce, protect and provide food for the off spring.
Great video, but a little tough to hear. Maybe increase the general volume in future videos 👍
Steve, my son and I created a 3D printed model of the ship based on your design. Pictures of it are on my Facebook page.
What about the base layout, any information on how
Very nice. One thought though , was he planning on landing at the north pole or was that where he " crashed " ? A very good video.
I believe the word you are looking for is "aerodynamics", not "avionics".
far out, man!
Great stuff, Steve! But I always felt the alien (James Arness) was an escaped prisoner or maybe someone who was forcibly exiled from it's homeworld. What d'ya, think?
I like it.
It never occurred to me, but an insane killer would account for a lot.
Most likely it was either a prison ship, or someone's version of a zoological specimen ship. The specimens were kept in cryosleep, and since many of the specimens were dangerous, the ship was made of liquid metal, only to be "opened" on return to the homeworld. The top structure was a portion of the "bridge" and control systems needed to keep the specimens (plural) under control and fly the ship. Something went wrong somewhere; the pilot ditched the ship in the polar region in the hopes that it would keep the specimens contained until another ship could be dispatched to recover the original. Whatever happened to the pilot is anyone's guess; I fear his/her/it's demise was not a pleasant one. I also think if the ship had been further damaged, The Thing may have been just the tip of the iceberg, pun intended...
I’m by no means a expert. Not in any way.
But I was curious.
You have the shape and thrust, and talk about the shape helping it “go up”.
But this is a ship that wouldn’t be designed for that. It’s designed for space travel.
So they wouldn’t design it with earth gravity in mind
I believe the screenwriter left that trail of breadcrumbs for someone like you in the future when the technology was right to create a long-distance starship. Perhaps he was an alien come to help us along, or perhaps in some high drama he was going against his own mission objective. If you haven't done so already, please share your design with NASA, which is a U.S. agency called the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, or Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. Your design appears more efficient than our present vehicles.
No ! No! No !
It was not an invasion ship !
It’s a MOVIE
I’m sure you mean aeronautics not avionics, avionics has to do with electronic equipment. Master Chief Avionics Technician USN (Ret.)
great vid an analysis of what the alien was up to but how could he have traveled vast distances? I'm talking many many light years away as we know we don't believe there's anything this intelligent inside our own solar system except for us. So therefore he would have had to travel thousands of light-years how could he do that in such a small ship and survive what did he eat?
I don't know where the saucer originated from. However the saucer's size is shown. There is no reason to believe there was mothership or any staging components. A simple single stage to interplanetary craft some 70' across is much easier to believe than a single stage to interstellar craft. The explosion showed no special materials (anti-matter) other than uranium.
Conclusion for me is a single stage starting within our solar system and ending on Earth, no return trip was in the cards.
Came from Hollywood. This has gotten way out of hand. Same thing happens when someone supposedly sees a real ufo.
4:18 You mean aerodynamics not avionics
Please do the Martian War Machine
Actually its in the early stages(design only). It will be a Tri-Pod with an organic look.
Right now big on tentacles.
The tour should include the meteor itself and Earth assembly of the Tri-pods.
"Avionics" deal with electronics and communication, and has nothing to do with aircraft design which would be referred to as "aeronautics".
Straight onto my FB site called Aliens and really weird stuff (blocked by FB)
Astronaut,Armstrong.Saw alien ships on the rim of a crater of the moon.On this Apollo 11 mission..He told base back on earth.(they are here washing us.The ships are huge.
That is some Bs MAN LOL
At the intro....the moving spotlight thing is really stoopid .......
Just a movie, get a life ~