If I paid $500 for a new, extremely limited run pressing from a boutique brand, I would expect nothing less than perfection. Mike (In-groove) has reviewed five different copies of ERC records on his channels - some had physical flaws on the disk and/or the sleeve, and at least one of them, a $3,000 box set had noisy vinyl. To add insult to injury, the last record he reviewed had clearly left the factory with a damaged sleeve that the manufacturer had tried to hide with a marker. This is unacceptable. The fact that you have not received any defective products from ERC, or that your standards for judging quality are not as exacting as someone else, is irrelevant. For a product that costs 10 to 20 times the average product on the market, the expectation that the product be perfect is reasonable. For that kind of money, they should be carefully inspecting every record before they are shipped to make sure they are flawless. And I no have reason to think that Mike Esposito would be going out of his way to criticize ERC simply because they did not sign him as a retailer for their products. He is upfront about his opinions on different pressings, even ones that he sells at his store, and I find it hard to believe that he would go out of his way to badmouth ERC in bad faith. And as a reviewer who DOES NOT get hundreds of thousands of dollars in free records from manufacturers to review, he doesn't have a conflict of interest in the matter (unlike some other people who shall not be mentioned here).
Mike has pointed out that even Music Matters turned him down when he wanted to buy stock from them. Yet, he still raves about the quality of their product. It's about spending $500+ on a record that only has an extremely limited run of 300, should be absolutely flawless when it leaves the factory and not have defects when it arrives at your door. It has nothing to do with ERC not sending him records. He even criticizes LPs he carries. If he doesn't believe it's worth buying when there is a better pressing available, he'll tell you, even if he doesn't carry the better pressing. He's a solid guy. I feel this whole thing has been taken way out of proportion. that's my 2 cents. That said, I do enjoy your videos and comparisons as well. Keep up the great work!
Your 'slut' analogy ...might be credible, if not amusing, but he doesn't seem to have a grudge with MM and they didn't sell him stock when he asked, either, as Runtt points out. maybe a face to face like he did with Fremer is in order
Runtt Wah....i feel exactly the same way about Mike E from The In Groove. He's always been up front about the pressings he has, whether they are crap or really great, whether he carries them in his store or not. This has been taken *way out of context by a few well-known people who continue to post videos about the spat that took place weeks ago for chrissake! Mike E's initial video was at least straight on and honest. But now we have Mike Ludwig here digging up stuff that has nothing at all to do with anything, and stirring the pot even more. Sorry Mike L. I love ya, but you are blowing this way out of proportion, and for what?!
These big wig “establishment” vinyl “experts” almost seem coerced into throwing their weight around on this topic. It’s hilarious. Right off the bat this guy says it’s common to receive a copy with scratches and whatnot. Dude it’s a $500 record with only 300 copies? How can a company not quality check a measly 300 records?
I think you’re missing Mike’s point. The point is, the ERC releases are $500+! For $500, where there are only 300 or so to QC before shipping the record it should arrive PERFECT. Absolutely pristine. Flawless. Crisp clean jacket. Zero scratches on anything. The people at ERC should be able look them over multiple times to ensure that they ship out an absolute pristine product. For $500 and with a run of only 300 or so to check there are no excuses. Secondly, Mike says that there was black marker touching up spots on the jacket to cover flaws. I don’t know if that is truly what happened. But if it did, that is fraudulent. That would be a big big problem.
I agree with you, Devon. For $500+ there should be no hassle. ERC should have enough resources, considering their high prices for these records, to prevent any imperfection. The sharpie marker thing is just an absurd, and should have never happened.
Absolutely, 100% agree.... I work as a Quality Manager and if I was responsible for sending out just 320 units and some were sub-par my testicles would be in a sling with the management
I watch a lot of Mike Esposito’s videos and have never once bought from his store (he doesn’t ship to the UK) but I have never once thought that he sounds like an advert for his shop. He is incredibly transparent about when he talks about availability from his store, but I never feel that he presses people into shopping from him. What he does do however is offer proper consumer advice, which I find a little thin on the ground in the community, which often feels like a FOMO fuelled show and tell. Mike seems (to me) about the best product at the best price because most of us can’t afford ERC records, One Steps, or other audiophile labels. It strikes me that Mike merely scratched something at the soul of collectors and made them question their own decisions, and now people are out to get him. I really don’t understand this hostility towards him.
Don’t get it twisted. Mike is a businessman and he has prices that so disproportionately high for some used records on his discogs page that would make ERC blush. And essentially every new arrivals video he does is duh, a commercial for his shop.
Enjoy your videos, Michael, but couldn't disagree with you more on this take and clearly others feel the same. I still can't believe this topic is even remotely controversial! $500 record with a 300 run batch? There is absolutely NO excuse for less than perfection and Mike from The In Sound is not the bad guy for calling attention to these issues. I'm beyond frustrated by all the problems I see even on "regular" audiophile vinyl, such as the Acoustic Sounds titles. I routinely go through multiple copies of many of their reissues to try and get one that isn't warped, pressed off-center or has non-fill or excessive noise. And those are $40, which is already a lot of money, never mind the hassle of returns. QC issues are endemic to modern vinyl but there's no way this should be acceptable for a super expensive limited product like the ERC reissues.
I agree with this 110 percent. And as others have said, I will add to the chorus of, "...if it's $300+ new and has a flaw, you better believe I either want a replacement or my money back." That's the whole point of paying that much. For that much, every single record and jacket should be checked for perfection. If someone (Michael) can afford to shrug off an imperfection in a $300 record, I can't relate. I've also found that I am proportionally more picky/obsessive when a record costs a lot of money.
I don't know why so many people (including you 45 RPM) seem to be missing In Grooves' point. His point is very simple: for 500-600$, every single one of those 300-400 copies should be flawless! It's such a small number. No excuse acceptable. Period! Smaller underground metal labels are able to achieve this quality control by pressing 200-300 copies. And each of those cost 25-30$. So don't tell me that a label charging 15 times that price cannot achieve the same level of QC. That's totally not acceptable.
Yes! Why the defense for ERC? 600 bucks. There shouldn’t be a piece of lint in the box let alone the record. Sorry…… By the way Mike, love your channel and views!
Sorry, Michael - Agree with the vast majority of comments here. At 600 USD, you are buying a premium brand and should expect premium quality. Seems ERC caters to prideful folks who want to tell their friends they own an overpriced, rare-by-design product despite sub-par quality. Mike sings the praises of Vinyl Me Please on his latest video despite the fact that he does not sell VMP. And he routinely gives straight up reviews, regardless if he does or does not sell the particular pressing in question. Swing and a miss here, Michael.
Unfortunately Michael, with this video of yours you’ve downgraded your channel from Mint to a Near Mint condition. These type of videos are more for less mature audience, the kind teenage YT stars make to create “drama” and put more attention on themselves and their channel/videos. This must be one of your videos with most comments, or in that range (at this moment 500+ of them) and not a single one approves your approach/views or concern. Mike is well with his business model and not having few copies of a very limited edition to sell doesn’t harm his business at all. He is a vinyl lover and collector lucky and skillful enough to turn that in a successful profession. I believe the avg audience for both of your channels is somewhere around 40-45+ years. So we are not talking about immature audience. This video of yours is immature and honestly so unnecessary at the end of they great year for you and your channel. Unfortunately, this video was “a fault” for downgrading 45audiophile channel to NM. Get away from these kind of topics in 2022. and aim them towards them - money motivated companies that are selling their products with the prices getting higher and quality controls lower. Wishing you all the best in 2022.!
Totally disagree with you on this Mike. I totally think you miss the point of Mike from the In Grooves totally understandable stance on the poor quality of this EAC product. Just because you like their products, doesn't mean us average guys have to agree with you liking them. I think Mike is just giving us consumers an honest appraisal of their products. Why should you have to be inconvenienced to having to contact the company & wait for a replacement cover, when it should have been done right in the first place, especially when your spending a ludicrous amount of money. As someone who has worked as a printing press operator, that crap should not have even left the printer. There is no acceptance excuse for sending this out. You mentioned your camera was 4k but not once did you show the cover up close, front or back, so who really knows the quality control on yours. At least the In Groove Mike showed it up close in micro, so no one could argue against what he was stating. A disappointing episode from a normally great channel. I'm not sure what your agenda was, but please make sure you actually watch his video again & make sure you really understand what he is trying to say.
While it’s a shame to see this becoming such a widespread issue among the VC, I do believe Mike from the In Groove is going out of his way for the community. His point simply is to show that for most people the $500+ ERC records aren’t worth it. If I was to spend that kind of money on a single LP and have it arrive in any condition other than flawless I would be pissed. I also don’t think he would be gaining anything from selling their records because they are pressed at such a limited quality it wouldn’t be worth it. Anyway I love all you guys. Thanks for all the great content 45RPM. Merry Christmas
I would encourage you to rewatch his video. He opened the video with talking about wanting to give ERC another chance. He did the unboxing live on video and then discussed his findings. While his past experience may have added to his attitude in the video, I think his points are all completely valid. While you and Fremer keep mentioning that ERC will offer a replacement, Mike’s point is at the the price point these sell at, QC should be at such a level that the situation of needing to replace anything should barely occur. He then goes on to show the defects in the copy he opened. I’m surprised you waded into this ERC situation the way you did. Fairly accusatory remarks towards Mike, that are honestly only speculative at best. Mike’s honesty in his videos are what drew me to his channel as well as being a customer and that hasn’t changed with the ERC thing and in fact, made me appreciate his honesty even more. Lastly, while yes, he has a business, and uses his channel at times to promote it (which he should), he also offers videos to help educate that I feel have no angle to them. He presents his findings and offers up his opinion on those findings giving the viewer the knowledge to make an educated choice. These videos do not feel like a commercial to me.
Mike couldn’t give two craps about getting free stuff, he’s a millionaire and has no need for freebies. His opinion is untainted. And while I find him a tad too “strident” for my taste, he IS honest. Got a nice hifi rig too.
I would have to disagree about Mike being on a "crusade" against ERC, or holding a grudge just based on his experiences with music matters, and still having good things to say about them. I have to say also I have seen many instances where Mike will recommend a cheaper pressing over a more expensive one based on qaulity, even when he carries both. So as far as his videos being commercials, sure. But at the same time he does seem to take great care in seeing his customers get the best value.
I respect all points of view, but in the case of White Blood Cells, no… for 300 odd copies, at THAT PRICE, quality control on each copy please - no question. Also, I’d be wanting more than just a standard looking vinyl package. If you’re not going to check each copy, or introduce anything special into the packaging, increase the print run and bring the price down to £30.
I was in Mike's store in Phoenix a few days ago and he was preparing to ship out about 600 Blue Note classics titles. Cases of them everywhere being shipped out. Dozens of packed boxes (heavy duty whiplash-style mailers as well) on pallets ready to be picked up. To think he is holding some grudge because he can't sell a couple of ERC releases is patently ridiculous. He's doing FINE without them. Try a different target, you're coming across like an apologetic fanboy who can't accept reasonable criticism.
Michael, I love your videos and trust your opinion. However, in this case, I believe Mike is saying that the records (at almost 600 USD) aren’t worth the money. I mean, very few of us can afford to splurge on something that expensive. Even MFSL One Steps or UHQRs I can only justify for my favorite records. They better be great for that money! And when I have splurged, I’ve been happy. But we’re talking about 125 USD vs 600 USD. For that money, they should be exceptionally special. And Mike is making the point that they’re not. Manufactured rarity does not always equate to quality. I personally appreciate his perspective.
@Jazzer2349 lacquers degrade from the second they are made, this is known to everyone. you can enjoy a wonderful crisp first listen and diminishing returns on every subsequent listen. it's not archival or something one expects to last.
You are right Kurt. I got one of the UHQR Kind of Blue's that had the quality issue.( I commend Acoustic Sounds for quickly replacing it in good faith even though I could not return the record since I am a Southern Hemisphere customer). The ERC's are 5 times the price of a UHQR
Sorry Michael, I take Mike at the In Groove’s side on this. I think he is genuinely giving his opinion with no agenda other than informing the consumer. He says what he thinks and I appreciate that. Personally, even if ERC were to issue my very favorite album I still wouldn’t buy it because I just don’t think they offer value for money. Happy new year to you and keep doing your great work.
I can't comment on the ERC quality, but i also wouldn't buy my favourite album from them as i find their business model objectionable. Ten Tone Poets/Verve reissues or one ERC?
I have to side with Mike at the In Groove on this one- I found his video on the ERC release to be very straight forward and objective. The subjective view that he presented in his wrap up has to do with the overall value of the ERC release. In my opinion, the price of the ERC releases is just crazy. If people want to buy them for the collectability factor so be it,,,, but it seems to me that the business model of ERC is a bit "scammy". Anyone else remember the days of the "extremely rare, one of a kind Beanie Babys"?!
Also, I'm not sure about the word "crusade." How many times did you bring up the quality control issues with the Blue Note Classic series? Even the pressings without any issues you reminded everyone of their problems in the past. You put them on your top 10 vinyl disappointments list. Were you on a "crusade" against the Blue Note Classic series? Or were you just trying to keep people informed? And if you were just trying to keep people informed, why can't Mike do the same thing with the quality control issues with ERC?
Mike from The In Groove is the big winner on this issue. He was not afraid to take on the "big guns" and won! Michael, I'm afraid you didn't watch the same interview as I did.
Hi Michael, I just want to chime in as well as a subscriber who stumbled across your channel 6 months ago, a music fan and someone who has learned a lot from your videos. I believe this may be my first comment, but can't be totally sure. Anyway, your videos have had a big impact on me. You have arranged interviews with huge names in the industry and ask wonderful, insightful questions. Even your interview subjects have complemented you on this (Kevin Gray comes to mind). I trust your judgment about pressings, protection (I'm now a huge VinylStorageSolutions fan) and even cleaning. I was on the fence for over a year about taking a plunge for AudioDesk Ultrasonic Cleaner, which I ultimately did based on the fact you use one. This leads me to the point I don't see eye to eye with you on here, and you missed the mark on several levels. Your analogy about the girl in school completely missed on me, I thought that was half baked and get what you were trying to say, but don't agree with your argument nonetheless. Others here have stated about Mike at the In Groove and his position with ERC well, and I tend to agree with them. I just don't think there's a strong enough incentive for him financially to benefit even if ERC agreed to have him as a distributor and doubt he's holding some kind of grudge here. That being said, as a consumer I also expect perfection at that price/volume on the first go, and there is need to put customers through the hassle of "contacting them to get it right". Finally, there is one argument you made specifically that I will focus on that is a "black and white" view of the VC and the vinyl industry which to me is deeply flawed and I think you're pushing your viewers who may not watch Mike's videos to draw an unfair conclusion about him. First of all, I think most of us understand these dual influences exist, and are perceptive enough to make a distinction about when one force is in play over another. To be clear, and I think most viewers of his channel would agree, Mike comes across as a member of both communities. Not black or white, but gray. Does he have commercial interests? Absolutely. Is he an audio enthusiast? Without question. He's been lucky to work in an industry he loves, like Kasem and Fremer. I tuned into one of his livestreams the other week where Mike was talking about a trip he made to New York. The passion he had for hearing a live performance at the Village Vanguard was something that had nothing to do with selling a record, just his love of jazz. Frankly, your own argument here can be used against you. I don't know if you receive favorable treatment from Vinyl Storage Solutions or AudioDesk, but my point is this: either way, I would't care, because I can tell you are a vinyl enthusiast and the products speak for themselves. The question you should ask here is whether Mike's commercial interest in ERC outweighs his interest as a consumer. Based on what I have seen about him, it's a strong no. If ERC fixed the issues Mike is referring to, which many of us agree with Mike should be done for the product they are selling, I would believe he would come out and say "Looks like ERC got their stuff together, wow. If you got this record for $600, you are one of the lucky ones." I imagine you would say something similar about Abbey Road if they get their act together. Who knows, but that's my impression of both of you. Anyway, I appreciate your content and hope you will appreciate my opinion. Happy new year, and look forward to more great music and great insight from you in 2022. Cheers.
A $600 new pressing should be flawless especially in a lot of 333. Each should be meticulously inspected and packaged. Mike is talking about what is promised and what is sometimes not delivered. I agree with him on ERC. I own one MM release, paid $130 ish for it. It sounds great but not any better to my ears than a Tone Poet, or Blue Note Classic release, Intervention, SAM, Acoustic Sounds, etc. releases. I enjoy your content. Merry Christmas!
I watch a lot of your videos and valued your opinion greatly but you lost me on this one. You and Fremer both are so determined to defend ERC for some reason that you are willing to make very personal and accusatory statements about Mike from the "In Groove" when all he does is present facts to his audience so that they can be better informed. You have no way to know his true motivation for the videos but you sure have no problem insinuating that it is because he couldn't sell the records and not because he actually keeps keeps receiving these subpar records that cost that much. That is pretty bold and not the best look for your own reputation. Sorry.
I like Mike at the In-Groove videos. Firstly, if he is promoting his record shop then good for him. It is record shops that keep music and vinyl accessible for many. Not Audiophile 300 copy versions that are overpriced and for Collectors who rarely listen to the music. It is record shops that enable everyone access to music and where used copies are available for everyone to buy and listen to the music, which is the point. The fact that companies that press overpriced limited quantities will not sell to record stores speaks for itself. I watched a video you did earlier this year where you interviewed a representative from one of these companies and you were all gushing at the detail and work that went into creating such limited quantities of a piece of vinyl. I asked the same question then, what is the point, 500 copies of something that can sit on a shelf unplayed by collectors with limited real interest in the music, that don’t get listened to, so they can boast that they have it and how valuable it is. You are a collector, I get that, I also get how audiophiles have a passion to be as close to the original sound as possible, but what you pay a lot of money for is still a copy. I say well done to Mike at the In-Groove for highlighting which companies will not sell to brick and mortar stores, and well done to him for highlighting which overpriced limited editions are simply not worth it. He balances that view by saying which are great pressings and comments on the music too. I like your insights but this video was unnecessary
Hmmm…I think you’re way off the mark here. It’s not a “crusade”, he’s just making a point that if a company is going to charge that much for a record, it should come out pretty much near flawless. He doesn’t get free records like Fremer does. And the White Stripes he reviewed wasn’t even his..
Like the majority it seems I also disagree with you here. Attacking Mike as having some lack of integrity or a “crusade” is not a good look. A couple things, the main reason Mike has an issue w ERC is the value for money proposition. It has always been that. He has pointed out issues that simply should not be present on a $500+ product. It doesn’t matter if the issues can be remedied or not, he is saying for the money there are better alternatives. It has nothing to do with him not selling them in his store. If they were as great as the price point deemed, then he would buy them no matter. He has given them multiple chances. The sound of the ERC white stripes release was never a huge deal w him. He said it sounded fine, but the (analog) anniversary issues sound as good if not better. He also considered the type of music in this instance, so therefore spending $35 compared to $575 is a big point, esp when the ERC has its shortcomings. Again, this is his main point. Never mind the sharpied jacket, which you have to agree is downright shady. You also have to remember he was doing shootout vids before they were “commercials”. He doesn’t care about getting free stuff for content on his videos. I’d guess it’s quite the opposite. The school girl analogy is wrong. Making the assumption that he has an axe to grind because of this, is completely off-base at the very least. One could say that loyal ERC customers that fork out these extreme prices have a much bigger dog in this fight than some record store owner that simply has issues with how expensive in they are in the first place.
What are your thoughts on the issue with the marker touch ups? I don't have a dog in the fight but I would be very disappointed if I received a record with an album cover like that one. Thank you and Merry Christmas. 🎄♥️
I don't really like the videos targeting other individuals like Fremer and now you are doing. In Groove Mike is allowed to do videos where he reviews records and points out things or companies that fall short, just like everyone else. His commercial interests are at least aligned with customer's interests. It is a bad look when you are out there defending the companies when other people have had legit bad experiences or criticisms. Like those ppl shouldnt be allowed to criticize. This paints a picture of there being an elitist crowd, buddying up at audio conferences, etc, I am sure this was the case with Fremer and his buddies at supersense and I dont think he has the avg consumer in mind. Nor do I think you do now - and I wish you would have stayed above the fray on this one. You are also not thr gatekeeper of the vinyl community.
Merry Christmas Michael. I look forward eagerly to your videos in 2022! I just started watching some of Mike's videos after seeing him and Fremer discussing lacquers. He makes valid points about quality control for the ERC recordings of which I have a few. Personally I like the different points of view being expressed by knowledgeable and passionate audiophiles. I don't concern myself about which side of the vinyl equation anyone is coming from and the different points of view being expressed from different perspectives is healthy and makes my participation as a collector of great music more enjoyable. For better or for worse, I always learn something.
They charged $500-600 and used a sharpie marker on the jacket? It’s a no for me, dawg. This video response seems more like you’re defending your friend, Fremer. I like your videos, Mike. I really do but this one is just sad.
I'm a big fan of all the Mike's in this fight. I appreciate everyone's opinion. But at the end of the day, this whole conversation is relatively pointless considering ERC titles sell out within hours. They lose nothing from Mike at the In Groove's comments. If anything, he's bringing more awareness to ERC, and as they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity. 45RPM Mike and completists like him are going to keep selling out ERC titles within hours no matter how many Sharpies are used, Fremer is going to keep getting them free, and 99.9999999% of the rest of us will never hear them. You three need to hop on a group chat, hash it out, then get back to talking about things the rest of us can relate to.
That is a good point, it’s funny how invested I’ve gotten in a debate about a product I will never get to buy (due to price and how quickly they sell out) and probably won’t even ever see in person.
I disagree that Mike not being able to sell ERC records is a significant factor here (or a “conflict of interest,” as some have said). How much money could he possibly make on these? It would be a tiny allocation (10 copies at most?) and I can’t imagine the wholesale price to Mike would leave much room for profit (unless he charges flipper prices, which retailers are typically not allowed to do with stock they get from the company). This just doesn’t seem like a lot of money at stake for Mike. Personally I think Mike is credible and just giving a genuine opinion, with which people can disagree.
"Hear, hear...👏". This "insinuation" from Fremer is baseless and unbelievably hypocritical considering it's coming from someone who gets these absurdly overpriced LPs gratis. So Mike, explain to me again about "conflict of interest". 🤔
@@vcp93 I think the conflict of interest accusations against Fremer are also a bit unfair, even though I tend to side with InGroove Mike generally. All industries have incentives and biases, and what matters most is whether the individual is credible and making good arguments. I wish InGroove Mike hadn't made that an issue, as it distracts from the main point of the debate.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Yes, that explanation makes a lot more sense to me than the "ERC rejected him" point (notwithstanding the merits of the argument).
ERC cannot be defended on this for the price point each one of these should come out perfect. Also how can you defend the sharpie? This is fraudulent and deceiving their customers. I always saw ERC as a cash grab company and this confirms it. The only way this is worth the $600 is if it was personally delivered by Jack and Meg, even then I’d expect it to be perfect!
Just like Michael Fremer, it seems you are unable to actually respond to Mike’s substantive criticisms of ERC. One more point - I started watching Mike on TH-cam well before you ever started your channel. He is ABSOLUTELY part of the VC.
Yeah I was surprised that Michael 45rpm invalidated Mike the InGroove here like he should stop being a VC member or something. Like, what? Mike was in the VC well before you came!
Michael - I love your channel. You do a wonderful job with your videos. I would appreciate knowing if ERC reserved a title for you. I tried to buy the ERC White Stripes album, but it obviously sold out in seconds and this is not the first time I have struck out with them. I noticed in the comments that you said that you do not get them for free, but you did not answer the question as to whether they reserved a copy for you. If they reserved a copy for you, then you are as conflicted as Fremer on this topic. By the way, I don’t think Mike would order from ERC even if he could. There are plenty of other records he can make money on. Keep up the great work, but remember that record you are holding is not available to 99.9% of us…the non-influencers. If you don’t get reserved copies, my apologies for even questioning it.
This should be the top comment. 45 has, what the last 3 or 4 releases? For him to score so consistently, in what’s basically a shot in the dark, definitely raises a few eyebrows. I’ve tried the last three and was unable to cop. Mike E. Said himself, he had himself and some coworkers vying for copies and none were able to. 45: what’s the deal?
I have to agree with Mike from The In Groove on this one. $600 for a run of 300 ought to be absolutely pristine. If I want QC issues, I’d rather just buy a $20 GZ-pressed record.
I think it says in the fine print “hand markered” they really go that extra mile. Totally agree for the money it should be absolutely beyond perfect but also I’m sure they would have replaced if there was a problem so I hear what you’re saying…
I don’t see Mike as trying to talk people out of buying something he doesn’t sell. He’s making fair criticisms about a $600 record with shotty quality control. I’m sorry but for that kind of money it should arrive in absolutely pristine condition. And that’s just the physical quality. Who knows about the sound quality. If Acoustic Sounds can sell $40 records that sound amazing with great quality control (and they do!), ERC should be expected to at least match it given the outrageous prices they charge.
I always look forward to your videos but you have really disappointed me with this one. Why did you personally feel the need to air this video? The VC has seen a lot of discussion about the perspectives raised by Mike and Michael Fremer, including a discussion chaired by Kassem. There was no need at this point for your to jump in. I did not like the schoolgirl analogy, that was crass and in poor taste, there was no need to use that type of language it was emotive and came across like you wanted to make Mike look really bad, why use the word 'slut'? Was that really necessary? I have no particular allegiance to mike or Michael, but for what its worth, I agree with Mike, for that money the record should be PERFECT. He is saying that on behalf of consumers, not as a record store owner and I for one appreciate that he does say those things. This video has made me less likely to follow your channel, you didn't need to post it.
I think your analogy is flawed. When referring to the sound quality of the The Rolling Stone half speed masters you're talking about something that is subjective. I know many people that think they sound great and many people, like you, who thought they sounded terrible. But there is nothing subjective about opening a factory sealed record that costs $500 on camera and its warped, has pockets of no-fill or the jacket is scratched and the printing is off. I just don't get how some people are not understanding or are willfully ignoring Mike's point about a low press run record that costs $500+ . The quality control better be almost damn perfect. Especially, as he showed with the White Stripes record, when there was a willful intention to deceive by using on a Sharpie marker to blacken out the cracks in the cover. Yes, mistakes can happen regardless. And every now and then for whatever reason a lemon occasionally gets through and into the hands of a customer. But, when the replacement is as bad as the first one, as was the case with the Sonny Rollins and every single ERC after that comes from the factory with major issues, its worth pointing out to consumers. And just for the record (no pun intended) I too had issues with 2 out of the 3 records I bought from ERC. My Sonny Rollins Way Out West was warped and so was its replacement. When I tried to send that one back that basically said "Oh sorry, we don't have anymore to exchange it with. Bye." John Coltranes My Favorite Things was perfect. But Miles Davis All Stars Walkin' had a massive scratch that ran the length of the record on side A rendering it unplayable, along with a pretty bad seam split along the top of the jacket. My emails inquiring about a refunds for both records have gone unanswered.
I’ve always been curious if you buy all your records just through the public websites like everyone else. No free records or inside channels to reserve one? You have amazing luck to score every single release no matter how hard they are to get.
Oof, totally disagree with you on this one buddy. I’ve watched In Groove Mike for quite awhile and he’s absolutely a straight shooter who isn’t afraid to tell it like it is. He nailed it with his review of the copy his friend received of this album. At this completely ridiculous price and only 333 made, there are absolutely no excuses for sending out the jacket that he unboxed in the video. Shady AF. Mike did the right thing by calling them out on it and I appreciate him for doing it. VC needs people with an audience telling the truth because the vinyl world is getting way out of hand. I’m as big of a Third Man Records fan as you’ll find (seeing Jack 4 times on the upcoming tour) but $500+ for a White Blood Cells pressing? Better come dipped in gold and hand delivered by Jack himself followed by a free performance in my living room 😂 Anyways Michael, have a great holiday and 2022 looks to be another epic vinyl madness soaked year!!! Cheers 🍻
All I know is that 45rpm Michael and InGroove Mike were my two favorite TH-camrs this last year, and their help in building my vinyl collection was invaluable to me. I respect them each for their knowledge, honesty and opinions. Neither one of them would be as good as they are at what they do if they ever elected not to make a video because their opinion was against popular opinion, or in opposition to a peer in the VC. It’s ok that they don’t agree on everything, and I look forward to their videos in 2022! Mostly 45rpm Michael though. I find your videos oddly soothing. I often leave them refreshed, feeling as if I’ve just left a therapy session, that the crazy world we live in is a little less crazy at that moment, and gosh darn it there is an album I have to go buy. 🙂 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you Michael!
You literally took 30 seconds to say it's perfect. Maybe if you're going to criticize Mike, you should put up some photos to prove that the text & embossing lines up. I very much doubt it's perfect. Mike comes with photos from his live unboxxing. On the other hand you are without photos or proving it to your audience. So instead you're trying to psycho analyze Mike instead of actually proving that your copy of the white stripes doesn't have any issues.
Love your videos and opinions of pressings you show. My take on Mike’s video was what you get for the price for a very limited edition. I wasn’t aware of him not being denied by ERC in the past to sell their records. I think he said if it was a $20-$40 record that it would be good, but for $575 it should have been perfect. I’m very glad yours is what it should be and you are happy with it. 333 copies should have been individually inspected prior to shipping for such a high price. Yea the owner of that record that Mike (In Groove) reviewed should request another jacket that should be in mint condition. How did your copy sound by the way?
Michael, did you see the part in the In Groove video where Mike pointed out that ERC used a Sharpie marker to significantly doctor the spine and corners of the White Stripes album jacket that he unboxed, in an effort to hide manufacturing defects? What is your opinion about that? There are other discussion boards showing that other people received similarly markered/doctored jackets with this particular release from ERC. Doesn’t that cross the line, far beyond typical jacket surface scuffing or steam split issues that can be argued to be normal consequences of shipping records?
Hey! Hope you've had a good Christmas and New Year. Just wanted to say I've missed your videos and hoping you haven't stopped posting due to the reaction by some to this video. You make some valid points as does Mike, I love you both so basically don't stop!!
Merry Christmas. Good video. My biggest gripe with ERC was the spotty sound quality until the recent change in equipment which for the price it was not a good value for the money. Since the Chet baker release, I’ve noticed a dramatic change (improvements) in all their releases.
I agree with xentakis and Kruppers if you're going to buy a record for 500.00+ it needs to be damn perfect for that record to have black marker on the jacket to cover up the white showing through and scratches on the jacket I don't care how much he hurts the feeling of the company as a retailer it is Mike job to protect his customer and to tell the truth if ERC isn't informed about their mistakes how will they learn. I totally disagree with you on this particular video.
I think you should have refrained from making this video. I've seen many of the In Grooves video ( never bought anything). I think you guys are mis-characterizing his words. As someone who has been in this hobby for roughly 30 yrs & and spent an embarrassing amount of $$$ on gear and media. I have enough experience to know quality I've seen a number of ERC titles from friends and I don't get the hype. It falls way short of being a premium product. Maybe my standards are higher...... I've seen better quality hand made records from indi-bands. One thing you learn about audiophile industry is that it is plagued by BS and con men. For whatever reason the good people stand by like cowards while it damages everyone's credibility.
Great video - it helps all us Record enthusiasts to know more when it comes to spending our money on records - I definitely don’t interpret these discussions as personal attacks, but rather as information to help us make better record buying decisions :) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - Northern New Jersey loves you :)
Michael, first Merry Christmas, I hope you and yours enjoy a great holidays season.. It's clear that Mike doesn't have a lot of love for ERC, but to be fair, they have certainly given him some ammunition for criticism. I agree with your point about options to return a jacket, but when spending that kind of money for any product, especially an extremely limited edition product, quality issues should not be a concern. A customer shouldn't have to send emails, and wait to be made whole. Damage in transit is one thing, but clearly that jacket was sub par when packaged. ERC has to own that, and any customer receiving that record has a right to be thoroughly dissatisfied when opening the box. From what I know about you, and your standards (based on your videos), you would not have been happy. Long live the VC, and thanks for the videos!!
At the end of the day, I would say 85% of people know where In-Groove Mike was coming from. Guess what....Mike Ludwig does as well. Its more important for Ludwig to "be one of the boys with Fremer" than convey his own opinion.
Ordinarily I'd have chimed in way before now since I usually watch your videos pretty soon after they've been uploaded. Alas I've been unable to do so and perhaps unsurprisingly this video has drawn a vast number of comments such that this one will most likely get lost amongst the many hundreds of others. Regardless I have to say I think you're dead wrong on this one, Michael. From where I'm sitting, it seems to me that Mike is just calling it as he sees it, which is that all the copies of ERC records he's received have had issues. You are clearly someone that has done very well in life: the type (and amount) of records you buy, not to mention the extremely high-end HiFi system you have, are clearly testament to this and more power to you for having done so well. However I wonder if perhaps you've done so well that you don't quite appreciate how expensive £400GBP for a single record really is to the vast majority of people and that it hardly a 'crusade' to call out ERC for flaws in what should be a flawless product. You like ERC stuff and that's fine, that's your opinion. Personally I think that the price of these records is a joke and if ever there's a sign we've reached 'peak vinyl' this must be it.
In 4 minutes you have disapointed me. Mike was talking about issues that are with erc and the laquers that have put out. For that kind of price, every piece should be mint. In this case that was not so. He has the balls to speak. If all of you influencers would be more loud, there would be more quality control and mint copys for all. As a result most of us are getting packages like kinder suprise from blue note/optimal. I am not here on the quest to talk bad about them. I want that bad records stay in the optimal house. Like I said, he has the balls to speak up. You should use your infuence too that we get more quality records, not every shit is wort packing up. I apoligize if I said something wrong.
I’m a long time follower and I love your channel but I wanted to say that just because Mike reached out to ERC and has a store doesn’t mean he is wrong. There’s clearly some issues that ERC needs to address. Especially with the prices they charge.
It is the first time that I do not agree with you. Of course, Mike also makes his videos for commercial reasons. But does a seller bad products that he offers. There are also, but not Mike. His commitment to the vinyl, is extraordinary. A Michael Fremer is a dazzler and I believe only half. If I get the products I evaluate from the industry, am I really neutral ? Mike makes ERC not fundamentally bad, but he criticizes the quality control at this low edition. He is absolutely right with what he says, at $ 500 I can demand the best quality. I can not understand that you criticize someone who wants to sell the best product to the vinyl buyer.
I’ve been with them from very start. Got every single release but will no longer do so. Their quality has been “variable”. I find their vinyl too noisy (even after multiple cleanings). My decision was made before I even knew of Mike. ERC should stick with classical and some jazz. I’d reconsider if they press using VR900 (super vinyl) formulation.
Thanks for this year videos Michael. I would like to say something about the music ;-) (huge Jack white fan here!) I am really diggin the music of Jack White! Especially The White Stripes project. I was luckily to experience Jack White and his other band, the Raconteurs a couple of time 🤘🏼. He is a genius! Take care!!! Happy new year
It has been nine days since i bought my last record! My wallet already fears the return of the great Michael Ludwig! Anyway, happy new year to you and thank you for all those old videos we can watch!
I find it fascinating/slightly horrifying how the vinyl industry he evolved (or possibly devolved) I bought about 500 new pressings between about 86-94..& I can honestly say the thought that a pressing maybye ‘Poor’ or ‘noisy’ didn’t even enter my head..I can think of one record ‘DeLa Souls’ ‘3ft High & Rising’ I bought in 89 that had an obvious visible pressing fault..but that was it These were all £6.99 records! It seems crazy that we’re having this conversation about £400.00 records! What’s happened? I simply don’t buy £20.00 new pressings now..distortion/noise. I guess overworked pressing plants/people without the expertise/ mastering knowledge-of the old school guys goes some way to explain it? But I wouldn’t expert ERC to face these problems..but I still reading dozens of comments about disappointing pressings..it baffles me.
Totally, totally agree. I feel that this release should almost stand as a ‘lesson learnt’ for anyone putting out vinyl records. I ended up sending a link to the original review posted by Mike directly to ERC, as I’m sick and tired of quality control issues appearing time and time again on regular priced vinyl releases, let alone releases priced at THIS amount of money. It’s actually obscene.
@@danrosewarne6986 yeah Dan. It’s crazy fellah. It’s capitalism in its rawest form. I can probably by a CD of this album in a charity shop for less than a pound..does the vinyl sound £399.00 better? It’s madness.
Happy Christmas Michael! I think you might be spending your entire day answering comments on this special video! I don't think I can adequately comment on this subject, so I will leave it to Penge and Derrick. They are far more insightful than me....
I bought one ERC record and one of the corners of the jacket was pushed in. They pack in in between all that cardboard, but that cardboard should be a little bigger than the size of the jacket so it is fully protected, but indeed it is not....and the shipping costs to the USA are astronomical!! Somewhat of a rip-off. Everything should be perfect for that kind of money! If you are only making 300 copies, quality control should be a no brainer!!!!
There’s an interesting component to all of these conversations in that everyone is presented to have a conflict of interest, and anyone with enough clout in the community to be listened to probably does have a bit of a conflict. At the end of the day context is necessary. When you, a person who buys $500 records, says a $23 blue not classic is excellent, then i’m going to take your word for it. When mike at the in groove tells me the pallas/grundman version of nevermind is in the same ballpark as more expensive pressings im going to listen to him because he has heard versions of these record i’ll probably never hear. I’m with a lot of people here who are exhausted by this erc stuff because it doesn’t matter to us. Please Tell me which versions of the analogue productions prestige reissues are worth my $40. Your channel is great and this is by far the most relaxing vinyl channel on youtube. Thanks for all you do.
Thank for sharing what is truly an incredible box set Michael. The work involved in the creation of this box set is on another level. David Toop amazing artist for sure. Thanks so much for sharing Michael,people need to know about this set absolutely stunning. Also thanks so much for mentioning George Harrison’s birthday who would have been 80 today.He would have loved this set I’m sure,lovely touch Michael 🙏 See you next time 🙌
I totally disagree with your comments. Mike at the In Groove always calls out if there is an issue with a record, no matter what the price is. His experience with ERC has not been good and for that exorbitant price, he is entitled to say so. Mike also does live streams, and shoot outs and is a valued member of the vinyl community, contrary to what you imply.
I’ll never have the money to buy an ERC release and if I did I’d rather buy 25 or so standard releases. But I’d expect them to perfect also. QC is everyone’s issue and no one should get a pass. Anyway - keep up the good work Micheal and happy Xmas
If I order a $575.00 record I would never expect to have to make a phone call to get a new cover. I would expect that if I buy a digitally produced album from WalMart.
A couple of things. We all agree Mike does the best shootouts. So his opinion counts of the ERC. You might not agree and that’s valid. To me the biggest point Mike is making is that if you pay 500 euro’s for a White Stripes album it should be perfect. If you only make 300 records you can inspect every single one of them and even listen to them all and send out a perfect copy. On sound: Jack White is an all analogue guy so the 20 euro version is also all analogue. The ERC is tube mastered and the other one isn’t. I like tube mastered so I don’t know which sounds better. But most people who are buying these records don’t care. It’s an investment and they leave it sealed. With the exception of some TH-camrs of course… ;-) And that’s the business model of this company. And that’s ok. But don’t say they make the best sounding product just because it’s tube mastered. I’m sure the Prestige titles from AP sound just as good or better than the ERC versions. You can’t say Kevin Gray is the best mastering guy ever but for the ERC’s that suddenly doesn’t matter anymore. Just because ERC is tube mastered it’s miles ahead of anything else. That just doesn’t make sense. You can’t say RTI is the best pressing plant but for the ERC’s that just doesn’t matter anymore. That all just doesn’t make any sense. For ultra expensive classical vinyl I can understand people are paying a fraction of the price the get the ERC version. But I still think most people who are buying these records will never listen to them and nobody ever will because they will get more and more expensive and remain sealed forever. Which for ERC is a good thing. Because nobody will ever notice any pressing defects etc. It’s just a very smart business model. And on the jealousy remark. I don’t think there’s any shop in the world who’s selling ERC records. You can only buy them thru ERC if I’m correct. So don’t say that the ERC is the one girl that Mike can’t have and that’s why he’s giving negative reviews. That’s the only argument I’m hearing against Mike video. But that’s a bit of nonsense argument. To me it seems that the people who have ERC’s are trying to protect their investment and go against Mike no matter what he says. But in the end it doesn’t matter. The ERC’s will only get more and more valuable no matter what anybody says. So in the end there’s no bad publicity only publicity!
Hi Michael, it's not about Mike's opinion but could you explain in a video why an excellent copy of a tone poets cost 35 euros and a ERC ten times more. Is there some magic inside the groove or is it just to feed the need for some happy few to possess what others can't ?
It's the all tube vintage machines they use. There is a video on TH-cam that shows their equipment. Is it worth it? Not for me but for many people it is.
If you want a reissue of a record that is produced on nearly the exact same gear as the original, for both the vinyl and the sleeve. ERC is the only way to go. They use the same period cutting lathes and tube gear as when the original was made. NO one else does that. But at $3-500 a pop the records should be perfect. (I've been to Michael Fremer's house, he has the ERCs and they are perfect.) Mike E doesn't really care about that, he's found something that stirs people up and he's sticking to it: marketing.
I would be disgusted if a record I paid $40 for had those flaws. If I paid $600 for a record that someone took a sharpie to in order to deceive me I am kicking someone’s ass!
The quality control at ERC needs to be better, much better, and they probably should ship them in better boxes. I am sure that a lot of collectors have a lot more expensive records than what ERC sells theirs for, and some titles would not be available if they were not done by ERC - or at an even higher price and in worse condition from the used market. Mike from In Groove also makes that point and thinks for those titles it makes sense (as far as I gathered). A boutique brand doing very limited run, obtaining master tapes, on an all tube system is going to be expensive regardless. It is not meant for everyone, it is a very limited product for very few people. With regards to lacquers, which used to be the major topic, it seems like a storm in a water glass. They seem to hold up well for most users over many years. I love what ERC are doing, and I am glad they exist and I hope they start doing much better quality control.
Mike is a smart businessman, but I suspect he’s also one who understands it is better to be honest with your audience, which then builds trust with them and makes it more likely that they become loyal customers. I bought one ERC record to try out, Everybody Digs Bill Evans, Stereo edition. The cover was lovely and very well-made, but the record was extremely noisy and sounded like a 50 year-old used record, even after several cleanings. I emailed them and they immediately sent a replacement, which was better but still very noisy. I haven’t bought another one, which is a shame because I love the concept of what they’re doing. To be honest, I was glad to hear that it wasn’t just me who got unlucky. Michael, thank you for all your great videos this past year, and wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.
I don't know this album so i played a couple of tracks on TH-cam ..... it seems to be stripped down garage/blues rock which would sound fine on a pretty basic system .....I can understand getting all audiophiley on an orchestral piece or some rock or jazz where there is more than just basic guitar and drums ....but ....am I missing something here ?
Merry Christmas Michael. I thought you might do a Christmas 🎄 album video this season. Did I miss it or did you decide against it? Anyway - safe, healthy, happy holidays to you and yours.
Terrible choice of topic 45RPM, hope not a trend validating other opinions rather than sharing your own (about releases). People are smart enough to determine motives and quality of advice for themselves, your advice here is in poor taste. Mike’s reputation he earned for himself and much of that to collectors like myself that cant have it all. Brick and mortar knowledge is essential to thousands of collectors, certainly as much part of the community as any. Those of us that have been buying for decades still go to shops with people like Mike for more knowledge on genres and labels than you or I could have time to accumulate. Unfortunate this internet age with sales and recommendations moving more online we do not having that respect as exists in other hobbies that are better supporting local retailers and the knowledge. We did the same to hifi retail and are worse off because of it. The price of these ERC records is outrageous, funny both Mike and Chad make that point and no one wants to talk about that in context. Peace in the community ? state your opinions as you have and let the company speak for themselves. Other labels have gone to great lengths to inform about time and effort to make premium records, that’s how markets work. When things are out of whack people ask questions and will have opinions on the price and quality. A big leap some of what you’ve implied in this video.
I have liked Fremer's work back in the 90s with his Tracking Angle magazine, and later his music angle podcasts etc. Don't know about his recent stuff but generally I do like your podcast a lot and your advice is solid. Thanks for the work you do.
I do enjoy your videos, however, this one leaves a bitter aftertaste. Would even go as far as claiming you are after a bit of publicity. If I pay hundreds of dollars for a NEW record, I expect this to be pristine - no scratched jacket, sharpie pen touch ups, etc. It's completely unacceptable to have a limited run of 300 records and not be able to ensure each and every single one is tip top.
I don't think it is a good idea attacking a persons integrity on this subject. I love both your channels and believe both of you give truthful opines. You can question his integrity because he couldn't get ERCs but he can question your integrity because you are a a collector and have a lot of ERCs and its value would take a hit. I do not believe this is true for either. What I wonder is this a high price because of quality or because or rareness. If there was 25-50 thousand of these made is the quality high enough to justify the price. If MOFI pressed higher amounts their price would still be worth it but would ERCs. Have a Merry Christmas and be save.
I disagree with the gist of this video. Couldn’t your viewers also assume you’re still singing ERC’s praises so the ERC albums you own continue to climb in value. See what happens when people make assumptions? I myself have considered purchasing some ERC releases. Thank god In Groove Mike is giving honest reviews about their quality control and what you might get for your $500.
I also disagree with your take on Mike's motivations. It seems an unfair assessment. My understanding is that he's buying these albums as a collector with his own money. Right? Therefore, he is speaking his mind from that context; not in the context of a businessman making a commercial. This is why I watch Mike's videos. If I had any hint that he was coming from some business-related place, I would see your point. That's not my take. Merry Christmas, Michael.
It’s pretty evident to me that mikes priorities are his customers but you seem to be divided loyalties between the customers and ERC. Don’t worry you’ll get your freebies still. Mike has no agenda and simply shows us what is in the box. Very disappointed with your video. In my mind your objectivity took a major hit You should never have made this video. You have nothing to do with one other mans opinion The fact you made it tells me all I need to know. Oh..it’s pronounced base, not like the fish..
Happy feast, Michael. My only audiophile stuff is Acoustic Sounds and Tone Poet. My main musical interests doesn't require audiophile reissues or new stuff. Therefore I don't think recordings of this kind require this treatment. Although I am curious what for example MOFI would do with Soundgarden' Superunknown (analog recorded). I love Mike, I don't think he does this to get even.
I don't see why it's so difficult for some to get Mike (in groove's) point about ERC, If they're making those records at such a high price and in such a small quantity they should be flawless, no question. I don't think Mike would be bitter towards ERC for not supplying his store with product, Mike already runs a successful record store and I don't think him or most people would expect a company like ERC to be supplying record stores. I can't imagine him being angry or surprised at them saying no but I think he decided to give it a crack anyway just for the heck of it. I think people mostly just don't like the exclusivity of ERC, not just being so high priced and in such a small quantity but if there were a record done by them which you'd otherwise be unable to get an all analogue reissue of, an example being their "True Mono" edition of My Favourite Things by John Coltrane which they did supposedly from the original master tape which was only just discovered recently and the fact that it's done by them with their extreme low quantity, high price model and almost no one is able to listen to it seems shitty to me. If they were doing records which were otherwise available or had been in print (In the last 10 years or so) as all analogue reissues and just advertised themselves as having the best versions of those albums and the quality control was consistently there then I'd say good, no big deal. I've never had or heard an ERC record but I think I agree with Mike (In groove) they just give a vibe of being overly exclusive, pretentious and scammy.
Sorry Michael, but i totally disagree with you here. You make a bunch of assumptions that aren't correct if you watch Mike's video. Seems to me you're talking up your own purchase. I will never buy an ERC record again. I have 1 and it's absolutely nothing special and really noisy. Especially if you consider the price. I like your videos, but this one is just wrong and you are making false statements. Mike had been extremely honest in his video.
Mike Ingroove vs Michael Ludvigs
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He pinned it!! Awesome Lol.
This was great, made my day!
If I paid $500 for a new, extremely limited run pressing from a boutique brand, I would expect nothing less than perfection. Mike (In-groove) has reviewed five different copies of ERC records on his channels - some had physical flaws on the disk and/or the sleeve, and at least one of them, a $3,000 box set had noisy vinyl. To add insult to injury, the last record he reviewed had clearly left the factory with a damaged sleeve that the manufacturer had tried to hide with a marker. This is unacceptable.
The fact that you have not received any defective products from ERC, or that your standards for judging quality are not as exacting as someone else, is irrelevant. For a product that costs 10 to 20 times the average product on the market, the expectation that the product be perfect is reasonable. For that kind of money, they should be carefully inspecting every record before they are shipped to make sure they are flawless.
And I no have reason to think that Mike Esposito would be going out of his way to criticize ERC simply because they did not sign him as a retailer for their products. He is upfront about his opinions on different pressings, even ones that he sells at his store, and I find it hard to believe that he would go out of his way to badmouth ERC in bad faith. And as a reviewer who DOES NOT get hundreds of thousands of dollars in free records from manufacturers to review, he doesn't have a conflict of interest in the matter (unlike some other people who shall not be mentioned here).
Mike has pointed out that even Music Matters turned him down when he wanted to buy stock from them. Yet, he still raves about the quality of their product. It's about spending $500+ on a record that only has an extremely limited run of 300, should be absolutely flawless when it leaves the factory and not have defects when it arrives at your door. It has nothing to do with ERC not sending him records. He even criticizes LPs he carries. If he doesn't believe it's worth buying when there is a better pressing available, he'll tell you, even if he doesn't carry the better pressing. He's a solid guy. I feel this whole thing has been taken way out of proportion. that's my 2 cents. That said, I do enjoy your videos and comparisons as well. Keep up the great work!
Your 'slut' analogy ...might be credible, if not amusing, but he doesn't seem to have a grudge with MM and they didn't sell him stock when he asked, either, as Runtt points out. maybe a face to face like he did with Fremer is in order
Runtt Wah....i feel exactly the same way about Mike E from The In Groove.
He's always been up front about the pressings he has, whether they are crap or really great, whether he carries them in his store or not.
This has been taken *way out of context by a few well-known people who continue to post videos about the spat that took place weeks ago for chrissake!
Mike E's initial video was at least straight on and honest. But now we have Mike Ludwig here digging up stuff that has nothing at all to do with anything, and stirring the pot even more.
Sorry Mike L. I love ya, but you are blowing this way out of proportion, and for what?!
@@MJEvermore853 Yes, I'd like to know 'for what' as well. I agree MJ- Mike E is a stand-up guy.
These big wig “establishment” vinyl “experts” almost seem coerced into throwing their weight around on this topic. It’s hilarious. Right off the bat this guy says it’s common to receive a copy with scratches and whatnot. Dude it’s a $500 record with only 300 copies? How can a company not quality check a measly 300 records?
I agree.
I think you’re missing Mike’s point. The point is, the ERC releases are $500+! For $500, where there are only 300 or so to QC before shipping the record it should arrive PERFECT. Absolutely pristine. Flawless. Crisp clean jacket. Zero scratches on anything. The people at ERC should be able look them over multiple times to ensure that they ship out an absolute pristine product. For $500 and with a run of only 300 or so to check there are no excuses.
Secondly, Mike says that there was black marker touching up spots on the jacket to cover flaws. I don’t know if that is truly what happened. But if it did, that is fraudulent. That would be a big big problem.
I agree with you, Devon. For $500+ there should be no hassle. ERC should have enough resources, considering their high prices for these records, to prevent any imperfection. The sharpie marker thing is just an absurd, and should have never happened.
how unfair, that marker cost $200!
Haven't you bought a record that looks pristine only to put it on the turntable and hear all sorts of defects?
Spot on. Agree 100%
Absolutely, 100% agree.... I work as a Quality Manager and if I was responsible for sending out just 320 units and some were sub-par my testicles would be in a sling with the management
I watch a lot of Mike Esposito’s videos and have never once bought from his store (he doesn’t ship to the UK) but I have never once thought that he sounds like an advert for his shop. He is incredibly transparent about when he talks about availability from his store, but I never feel that he presses people into shopping from him.
What he does do however is offer proper consumer advice, which I find a little thin on the ground in the community, which often feels like a FOMO fuelled show and tell. Mike seems (to me) about the best product at the best price because most of us can’t afford ERC records, One Steps, or other audiophile labels. It strikes me that Mike merely scratched something at the soul of collectors and made them question their own decisions, and now people are out to get him. I really don’t understand this hostility towards him.
Don’t get it twisted. Mike is a businessman and he has prices that so disproportionately high for some used records on his discogs page that would make ERC blush. And essentially every new arrivals video he does is duh, a commercial for his shop.
@@bigsweetc6 like which ones?
Accusing Ingroove Mike for publicily dissing ERC because they won't sell him records is ridiculous. You completely misunderstood..
Enjoy your videos, Michael, but couldn't disagree with you more on this take and clearly others feel the same. I still can't believe this topic is even remotely controversial! $500 record with a 300 run batch? There is absolutely NO excuse for less than perfection and Mike from The In Sound is not the bad guy for calling attention to these issues. I'm beyond frustrated by all the problems I see even on "regular" audiophile vinyl, such as the Acoustic Sounds titles. I routinely go through multiple copies of many of their reissues to try and get one that isn't warped, pressed off-center or has non-fill or excessive noise. And those are $40, which is already a lot of money, never mind the hassle of returns. QC issues are endemic to modern vinyl but there's no way this should be acceptable for a super expensive limited product like the ERC reissues.
I agree with this 110 percent. And as others have said, I will add to the chorus of, "...if it's $300+ new and has a flaw, you better believe I either want a replacement or my money back." That's the whole point of paying that much. For that much, every single record and jacket should be checked for perfection. If someone (Michael) can afford to shrug off an imperfection in a $300 record, I can't relate. I've also found that I am proportionally more picky/obsessive when a record costs a lot of money.
Ok
I don't know why so many people (including you 45 RPM) seem to be missing In Grooves' point. His point is very simple: for 500-600$, every single one of those 300-400 copies should be flawless! It's such a small number. No excuse acceptable. Period! Smaller underground metal labels are able to achieve this quality control by pressing 200-300 copies. And each of those cost 25-30$. So don't tell me that a label charging 15 times that price cannot achieve the same level of QC. That's totally not acceptable.
Exactly!
Totally agree
Yes! Why the defense for ERC? 600 bucks. There shouldn’t be a piece of lint in the box let alone the record. Sorry……
By the way Mike, love your channel and views!
You nailed it!
@@billsoutherland5499 the defense is there because subconsciously most buyers feel obligated to justify the purchase.
Sorry, Michael - Agree with the vast majority of comments here. At 600 USD, you are buying a premium brand and should expect premium quality. Seems ERC caters to prideful folks who want to tell their friends they own an overpriced, rare-by-design product despite sub-par quality.
Mike sings the praises of Vinyl Me Please on his latest video despite the fact that he does not sell VMP. And he routinely gives straight up reviews, regardless if he does or does not sell the particular pressing in question.
Swing and a miss here, Michael.
Unfortunately Michael, with this video of yours you’ve downgraded your channel from Mint to a Near Mint condition.
These type of videos are more for less mature audience, the kind teenage YT stars make to create “drama” and put more attention on themselves and their channel/videos.
This must be one of your videos with most comments, or in that range (at this moment 500+ of them) and not a single one approves your approach/views or concern.
Mike is well with his business model and not having few copies of a very limited edition to sell doesn’t harm his business at all. He is a vinyl lover and collector lucky and skillful enough to turn that in a successful profession.
I believe the avg audience for both of your channels is somewhere around 40-45+ years. So we are not talking about immature audience.
This video of yours is immature and honestly so unnecessary at the end of they great year for you and your channel.
Unfortunately, this video was “a fault” for downgrading 45audiophile channel to NM. Get away from these kind of topics in 2022. and aim them towards them - money motivated companies that are selling their products with the prices getting higher and quality controls lower.
Wishing you all the best in 2022.!
Totally disagree with you on this Mike. I totally think you miss the point of Mike from the In Grooves totally understandable stance on the poor quality of this EAC product. Just because you like their products, doesn't mean us average guys have to agree with you liking them. I think Mike is just giving us consumers an honest appraisal of their products. Why should you have to be inconvenienced to having to contact the company & wait for a replacement cover, when it should have been done right in the first place, especially when your spending a ludicrous amount of money. As someone who has worked as a printing press operator, that crap should not have even left the printer. There is no acceptance excuse for sending this out. You mentioned your camera was 4k but not once did you show the cover up close, front or back, so who really knows the quality control on yours. At least the In Groove Mike showed it up close in micro, so no one could argue against what he was stating. A disappointing episode from a normally great channel. I'm not sure what your agenda was, but please make sure you actually watch his video again & make sure you really understand what he is trying to say.
While it’s a shame to see this becoming such a widespread issue among the VC, I do believe Mike from the In Groove is going out of his way for the community. His point simply is to show that for most people the $500+ ERC records aren’t worth it. If I was to spend that kind of money on a single LP and have it arrive in any condition other than flawless I would be pissed. I also don’t think he would be gaining anything from selling their records because they are pressed at such a limited quality it wouldn’t be worth it. Anyway I love all you guys. Thanks for all the great content 45RPM. Merry Christmas
I would encourage you to rewatch his video. He opened the video with talking about wanting to give ERC another chance. He did the unboxing live on video and then discussed his findings. While his past experience may have added to his attitude in the video, I think his points are all completely valid.
While you and Fremer keep mentioning that ERC will offer a replacement, Mike’s point is at the the price point these sell at, QC should be at such a level that the situation of needing to replace anything should barely occur. He then goes on to show the defects in the copy he opened.
I’m surprised you waded into this ERC situation the way you did. Fairly accusatory remarks towards Mike, that are honestly only speculative at best. Mike’s honesty in his videos are what drew me to his channel as well as being a customer and that hasn’t changed with the ERC thing and in fact, made me appreciate his honesty even more.
Lastly, while yes, he has a business, and uses his channel at times to promote it (which he should), he also offers videos to help educate that I feel have no angle to them. He presents his findings and offers up his opinion on those findings giving the viewer the knowledge to make an educated choice. These videos do not feel like a commercial to me.
Exactly what I thought! Implying that Mike criticizes ERC because he doesn’t get free copies is shameful.
Agreed
Mike couldn’t give two craps about getting free stuff, he’s a millionaire and has no need for freebies. His opinion is untainted. And while I find him a tad too “strident” for my taste, he IS honest. Got a nice hifi rig too.
I would have to disagree about Mike being on a "crusade" against ERC, or holding a grudge just based on his experiences with music matters, and still having good things to say about them. I have to say also I have seen many instances where Mike will recommend a cheaper pressing over a more expensive one based on qaulity, even when he carries both. So as far as his videos being commercials, sure. But at the same time he does seem to take great care in seeing his customers get the best value.
I respect all points of view, but in the case of White Blood Cells, no… for 300 odd copies, at THAT PRICE, quality control on each copy please - no question. Also, I’d be wanting more than just a standard looking vinyl package. If you’re not going to check each copy, or introduce anything special into the packaging, increase the print run and bring the price down to £30.
I was in Mike's store in Phoenix a few days ago and he was preparing to ship out about 600 Blue Note classics titles. Cases of them everywhere being shipped out. Dozens of packed boxes (heavy duty whiplash-style mailers as well) on pallets ready to be picked up. To think he is holding some grudge because he can't sell a couple of ERC releases is patently ridiculous. He's doing FINE without them. Try a different target, you're coming across like an apologetic fanboy who can't accept reasonable criticism.
Bravo. I have ordered LPs from him, and they are always the most meticulously packed records I get from anywhere.
@@BattManion1979, ditto. 👍
Michael, I love your videos and trust your opinion. However, in this case, I believe Mike is saying that the records (at almost 600 USD) aren’t worth the money. I mean, very few of us can afford to splurge on something that expensive. Even MFSL One Steps or UHQRs I can only justify for my favorite records. They better be great for that money! And when I have splurged, I’ve been happy. But we’re talking about 125 USD vs 600 USD. For that money, they should be exceptionally special. And Mike is making the point that they’re not. Manufactured rarity does not always equate to quality. I personally appreciate his perspective.
Merry Christmas Kurt and thx for sharing you thoughts and opinions
Agreed with your point of view. It’s apply to all aspect of purchases. The more money you spent, the item should be perfect! 🤙🏽
@Jazzer2349 It is ridiculous for a company to sell lacquers , whether Mike E. made his case to your satisfaction or not.
@Jazzer2349 lacquers degrade from the second they are made, this is known to everyone. you can enjoy a wonderful crisp first listen and diminishing returns on every subsequent listen. it's not archival or something one expects to last.
You are right Kurt. I got one of the UHQR Kind of Blue's that had the quality issue.( I commend Acoustic Sounds for quickly replacing it in good faith even though I could not return the record since I am a Southern Hemisphere customer). The ERC's are 5 times the price of a UHQR
Sorry Michael, I take Mike at the In Groove’s side on this. I think he is genuinely giving his opinion with no agenda other than informing the consumer. He says what he thinks and I appreciate that. Personally, even if ERC were to issue my very favorite album I still wouldn’t buy it because I just don’t think they offer value for money. Happy new year to you and keep doing your great work.
I can't comment on the ERC quality, but i also wouldn't buy my favourite album from them as i find their business model objectionable. Ten Tone Poets/Verve reissues or one ERC?
Ok
I have to side with Mike at the In Groove on this one- I found his video on the ERC release to be very straight forward and objective. The subjective view that he presented in his wrap up has to do with the overall value of the ERC release. In my opinion, the price of the ERC releases is just crazy. If people want to buy them for the collectability factor so be it,,,, but it seems to me that the business model of ERC is a bit "scammy". Anyone else remember the days of the "extremely rare, one of a kind Beanie Babys"?!
Also, I'm not sure about the word "crusade." How many times did you bring up the quality control issues with the Blue Note Classic series? Even the pressings without any issues you reminded everyone of their problems in the past. You put them on your top 10 vinyl disappointments list. Were you on a "crusade" against the Blue Note Classic series? Or were you just trying to keep people informed? And if you were just trying to keep people informed, why can't Mike do the same thing with the quality control issues with ERC?
@Jazzer2349
Mike from The In Groove is the big winner on this issue. He was not afraid to take on the "big guns" and won! Michael, I'm afraid you didn't watch the same interview as I did.
Hi Michael, I just want to chime in as well as a subscriber who stumbled across your channel 6 months ago, a music fan and someone who has learned a lot from your videos. I believe this may be my first comment, but can't be totally sure. Anyway, your videos have had a big impact on me. You have arranged interviews with huge names in the industry and ask wonderful, insightful questions. Even your interview subjects have complemented you on this (Kevin Gray comes to mind). I trust your judgment about pressings, protection (I'm now a huge VinylStorageSolutions fan) and even cleaning. I was on the fence for over a year about taking a plunge for AudioDesk Ultrasonic Cleaner, which I ultimately did based on the fact you use one. This leads me to the point I don't see eye to eye with you on here, and you missed the mark on several levels. Your analogy about the girl in school completely missed on me, I thought that was half baked and get what you were trying to say, but don't agree with your argument nonetheless. Others here have stated about Mike at the In Groove and his position with ERC well, and I tend to agree with them. I just don't think there's a strong enough incentive for him financially to benefit even if ERC agreed to have him as a distributor and doubt he's holding some kind of grudge here. That being said, as a consumer I also expect perfection at that price/volume on the first go, and there is need to put customers through the hassle of "contacting them to get it right". Finally, there is one argument you made specifically that I will focus on that is a "black and white" view of the VC and the vinyl industry which to me is deeply flawed and I think you're pushing your viewers who may not watch Mike's videos to draw an unfair conclusion about him. First of all, I think most of us understand these dual influences exist, and are perceptive enough to make a distinction about when one force is in play over another. To be clear, and I think most viewers of his channel would agree, Mike comes across as a member of both communities. Not black or white, but gray. Does he have commercial interests? Absolutely. Is he an audio enthusiast? Without question. He's been lucky to work in an industry he loves, like Kasem and Fremer. I tuned into one of his livestreams the other week where Mike was talking about a trip he made to New York. The passion he had for hearing a live performance at the Village Vanguard was something that had nothing to do with selling a record, just his love of jazz. Frankly, your own argument here can be used against you. I don't know if you receive favorable treatment from Vinyl Storage Solutions or AudioDesk, but my point is this: either way, I would't care, because I can tell you are a vinyl enthusiast and the products speak for themselves. The question you should ask here is whether Mike's commercial interest in ERC outweighs his interest as a consumer. Based on what I have seen about him, it's a strong no. If ERC fixed the issues Mike is referring to, which many of us agree with Mike should be done for the product they are selling, I would believe he would come out and say "Looks like ERC got their stuff together, wow. If you got this record for $600, you are one of the lucky ones." I imagine you would say something similar about Abbey Road if they get their act together. Who knows, but that's my impression of both of you. Anyway, I appreciate your content and hope you will appreciate my opinion. Happy new year, and look forward to more great music and great insight from you in 2022. Cheers.
You still haven't answered the question of how are YOU able to get copies of ERC Editions.
A $600 new pressing should be flawless especially in a lot of 333. Each should be meticulously inspected and packaged. Mike is talking about what is promised and what is sometimes not delivered. I agree with him on ERC. I own one MM release, paid $130 ish for it. It sounds great but not any better to my ears than a Tone Poet, or Blue Note Classic release, Intervention, SAM, Acoustic Sounds, etc. releases. I enjoy your content. Merry Christmas!
I watch a lot of your videos and valued your opinion greatly but you lost me on this one. You and Fremer both are so determined to defend ERC for some reason that you are willing to make very personal and accusatory statements about Mike from the "In Groove" when all he does is present facts to his audience so that they can be better informed. You have no way to know his true motivation for the videos but you sure have no problem insinuating that it is because he couldn't sell the records and not because he actually keeps keeps receiving these subpar records that cost that much. That is pretty bold and not the best look for your own reputation. Sorry.
These are not all even Mike’s albums
A customer brings them in for Mike to listen to
I like Mike at the In-Groove videos. Firstly, if he is promoting his record shop then good for him. It is record shops that keep music and vinyl accessible for many. Not Audiophile 300 copy versions that are overpriced and for Collectors who rarely listen to the music. It is record shops that enable everyone access to music and where used copies are available for everyone to buy and listen to the music, which is the point. The fact that companies that press overpriced limited quantities will not sell to record stores speaks for itself. I watched a video you did earlier this year where you interviewed a representative from one of these companies and you were all gushing at the detail and work that went into creating such limited quantities of a piece of vinyl. I asked the same question then, what is the point, 500 copies of something that can sit on a shelf unplayed by collectors with limited real interest in the music, that don’t get listened to, so they can boast that they have it and how valuable it is. You are a collector, I get that, I also get how audiophiles have a passion to be as close to the original sound as possible, but what you pay a lot of money for is still a copy. I say well done to Mike at the In-Groove for highlighting which companies will not sell to brick and mortar stores, and well done to him for highlighting which overpriced limited editions are simply not worth it. He balances that view by saying which are great pressings and comments on the music too. I like your insights but this video was unnecessary
Hmmm…I think you’re way off the mark here. It’s not a “crusade”, he’s just making a point that if a company is going to charge that much for a record, it should come out pretty much near flawless. He doesn’t get free records like Fremer does. And the White Stripes he reviewed wasn’t even his..
Like the majority it seems I also disagree with you here. Attacking Mike as having some lack of integrity or a “crusade” is not a good look.
A couple things, the main reason Mike has an issue w ERC is the value for money proposition. It has always been that. He has pointed out issues that simply should not be present on a $500+ product. It doesn’t matter if the issues can be remedied or not, he is saying for the money there are better alternatives. It has nothing to do with him not selling them in his store. If they were as great as the price point deemed, then he would buy them no matter. He has given them multiple chances.
The sound of the ERC white stripes release was never a huge deal w him. He said it sounded fine, but the (analog) anniversary issues sound as good if not better. He also considered the type of music in this instance, so therefore spending $35 compared to $575 is a big point, esp when the ERC has its shortcomings. Again, this is his main point. Never mind the sharpied jacket, which you have to agree is downright shady.
You also have to remember he was doing shootout vids before they were “commercials”. He doesn’t care about getting free stuff for content on his videos. I’d guess it’s quite the opposite. The school girl analogy is wrong. Making the assumption that he has an axe to grind because of this, is completely off-base at the very least. One could say that loyal ERC customers that fork out these extreme prices have a much bigger dog in this fight than some record store owner that simply has issues with how expensive in they are in the first place.
What are your thoughts on the issue with the marker touch ups? I don't have a dog in the fight but I would be very disappointed if I received a record with an album cover like that one. Thank you and Merry Christmas. 🎄♥️
Merry Christmas Melinda! 🎅
@@MatthewClark1984 Merry Christmas! 🎄😃
Merry Christmas to you too Melinda and thx for sharing your opinion
Surely the perfectionist that 45rpm presents himself as would have a comment here...
I don't really like the videos targeting other individuals like Fremer and now you are doing. In Groove Mike is allowed to do videos where he reviews records and points out things or companies that fall short, just like everyone else. His commercial interests are at least aligned with customer's interests. It is a bad look when you are out there defending the companies when other people have had legit bad experiences or criticisms. Like those ppl shouldnt be allowed to criticize. This paints a picture of there being an elitist crowd, buddying up at audio conferences, etc, I am sure this was the case with Fremer and his buddies at supersense and I dont think he has the avg consumer in mind. Nor do I think you do now - and I wish you would have stayed above the fray on this one. You are also not thr gatekeeper of the vinyl community.
It is simply like that: in history at some point someone always comes along and says that the emperor has no clothes.
Merry Christmas Michael. I look forward eagerly to your videos in 2022! I just started watching some of Mike's videos after seeing him and Fremer discussing lacquers. He makes valid points about quality control for the ERC recordings of which I have a few. Personally I like the different points of view being expressed by knowledgeable and passionate audiophiles. I don't concern myself about which side of the vinyl equation anyone is coming from and the different points of view being expressed from different perspectives is healthy and makes my participation as a collector of great music more enjoyable. For better or for worse, I always learn something.
Thx for your thoughts and have a great Christmas Steve
They charged $500-600 and used a sharpie marker on the jacket? It’s a no for me, dawg.
This video response seems more like you’re defending your friend, Fremer. I like your videos, Mike. I really do but this one is just sad.
All due respect, you’re wrong here. You just completely missed his point. Completely. And taking a low blow at In Groove doesn’t help your argument.
I'm a big fan of all the Mike's in this fight. I appreciate everyone's opinion. But at the end of the day, this whole conversation is relatively pointless considering ERC titles sell out within hours. They lose nothing from Mike at the In Groove's comments. If anything, he's bringing more awareness to ERC, and as they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity. 45RPM Mike and completists like him are going to keep selling out ERC titles within hours no matter how many Sharpies are used, Fremer is going to keep getting them free, and 99.9999999% of the rest of us will never hear them. You three need to hop on a group chat, hash it out, then get back to talking about things the rest of us can relate to.
That is a good point, it’s funny how invested I’ve gotten in a debate about a product I will never get to buy (due to price and how quickly they sell out) and probably won’t even ever see in person.
Fremer and Ludwigs need to curl u with their ERC instead of their keyboard and camera
I disagree that Mike not being able to sell ERC records is a significant factor here (or a “conflict of interest,” as some have said). How much money could he possibly make on these? It would be a tiny allocation (10 copies at most?) and I can’t imagine the wholesale price to Mike would leave much room for profit (unless he charges flipper prices, which retailers are typically not allowed to do with stock they get from the company). This just doesn’t seem like a lot of money at stake for Mike. Personally I think Mike is credible and just giving a genuine opinion, with which people can disagree.
"Hear, hear...👏". This "insinuation" from Fremer is baseless and unbelievably hypocritical considering it's coming from someone who gets these absurdly overpriced LPs gratis. So Mike, explain to me again about "conflict of interest". 🤔
@@vcp93 I think the conflict of interest accusations against Fremer are also a bit unfair, even though I tend to side with InGroove Mike generally. All industries have incentives and biases, and what matters most is whether the individual is credible and making good arguments. I wish InGroove Mike hadn't made that an issue, as it distracts from the main point of the debate.
ERC records is a cash grab
He goes against the grain, pisses people off, his numbers increases, he sells more records. Simple.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Yes, that explanation makes a lot more sense to me than the "ERC rejected him" point (notwithstanding the merits of the argument).
Merry Christmas Michael, thank you for all the great videos you have done!!
ERC cannot be defended on this for the price point each one of these should come out perfect. Also how can you defend the sharpie? This is fraudulent and deceiving their customers. I always saw ERC as a cash grab company and this confirms it. The only way this is worth the $600 is if it was personally delivered by Jack and Meg, even then I’d expect it to be perfect!
Just like Michael Fremer, it seems you are unable to actually respond to Mike’s substantive criticisms of ERC. One more point - I started watching Mike on TH-cam well before you ever started your channel. He is ABSOLUTELY part of the VC.
Yeah I was surprised that Michael 45rpm invalidated Mike the InGroove here like he should stop being a VC member or something. Like, what? Mike was in the VC well before you came!
Michael - I love your channel. You do a wonderful job with your videos. I would appreciate knowing if ERC reserved a title for you. I tried to buy the ERC White Stripes album, but it obviously sold out in seconds and this is not the first time I have struck out with them. I noticed in the comments that you said that you do not get them for free, but you did not answer the question as to whether they reserved a copy for you. If they reserved a copy for you, then you are as conflicted as Fremer on this topic. By the way, I don’t think Mike would order from ERC even if he could. There are plenty of other records he can make money on. Keep up the great work, but remember that record you are holding is not available to 99.9% of us…the non-influencers. If you don’t get reserved copies, my apologies for even questioning it.
This should be the top comment. 45 has, what the last 3 or 4 releases? For him to score so consistently, in what’s basically a shot in the dark, definitely raises a few eyebrows. I’ve tried the last three and was unable to cop. Mike E. Said himself, he had himself and some coworkers vying for copies and none were able to.
45: what’s the deal?
I would like to know as well.
Mike is a businessman that is also an honest vinyl enthusiast, plain and simple.
I have to agree with Mike from The In Groove on this one. $600 for a run of 300 ought to be absolutely pristine. If I want QC issues, I’d rather just buy a $20 GZ-pressed record.
ERC records is a cash grab
I think it says in the fine print “hand markered” they really go that extra mile. Totally agree for the money it should be absolutely beyond perfect but also I’m sure they would have replaced if there was a problem so I hear what you’re saying…
I don’t see Mike as trying to talk people out of buying something he doesn’t sell. He’s making fair criticisms about a $600 record with shotty quality control. I’m sorry but for that kind of money it should arrive in absolutely pristine condition. And that’s just the physical quality. Who knows about the sound quality. If Acoustic Sounds can sell $40 records that sound amazing with great quality control (and they do!), ERC should be expected to at least match it given the outrageous prices they charge.
I always look forward to your videos but you have really disappointed me with this one. Why did you personally feel the need to air this video? The VC has seen a lot of discussion about the perspectives raised by Mike and Michael Fremer, including a discussion chaired by Kassem. There was no need at this point for your to jump in. I did not like the schoolgirl analogy, that was crass and in poor taste, there was no need to use that type of language it was emotive and came across like you wanted to make Mike look really bad, why use the word 'slut'? Was that really necessary? I have no particular allegiance to mike or Michael, but for what its worth, I agree with Mike, for that money the record should be PERFECT. He is saying that on behalf of consumers, not as a record store owner and I for one appreciate that he does say those things. This video has made me less likely to follow your channel, you didn't need to post it.
I think your analogy is flawed. When referring to the sound quality of the The Rolling Stone half speed masters you're talking about something that is subjective. I know many people that think they sound great and many people, like you, who thought they sounded terrible. But there is nothing subjective about opening a factory sealed record that costs $500 on camera and its warped, has pockets of no-fill or the jacket is scratched and the printing is off. I just don't get how some people are not understanding or are willfully ignoring Mike's point about a low press run record that costs $500+ . The quality control better be almost damn perfect. Especially, as he showed with the White Stripes record, when there was a willful intention to deceive by using on a Sharpie marker to blacken out the cracks in the cover. Yes, mistakes can happen regardless. And every now and then for whatever reason a lemon occasionally gets through and into the hands of a customer. But, when the replacement is as bad as the first one, as was the case with the Sonny Rollins and every single ERC after that comes from the factory with major issues, its worth pointing out to consumers. And just for the record (no pun intended) I too had issues with 2 out of the 3 records I bought from ERC. My Sonny Rollins Way Out West was warped and so was its replacement. When I tried to send that one back that basically said "Oh sorry, we don't have anymore to exchange it with. Bye." John Coltranes My Favorite Things was perfect. But Miles Davis All Stars Walkin' had a massive scratch that ran the length of the record on side A rendering it unplayable, along with a pretty bad seam split along the top of the jacket. My emails inquiring about a refunds for both records have gone unanswered.
I’ve always been curious if you buy all your records just through the public websites like everyone else. No free records or inside channels to reserve one? You have amazing luck to score every single release no matter how hard they are to get.
If i get a free one i tell it
And being able to acquire them outside the online normal channels?
Oof, totally disagree with you on this one buddy. I’ve watched In Groove Mike for quite awhile and he’s absolutely a straight shooter who isn’t afraid to tell it like it is. He nailed it with his review of the copy his friend received of this album. At this completely ridiculous price and only 333 made, there are absolutely no excuses for sending out the jacket that he unboxed in the video. Shady AF. Mike did the right thing by calling them out on it and I appreciate him for doing it. VC needs people with an audience telling the truth because the vinyl world is getting way out of hand. I’m as big of a Third Man Records fan as you’ll find (seeing Jack 4 times on the upcoming tour) but $500+ for a White Blood Cells pressing? Better come dipped in gold and hand delivered by Jack himself followed by a free performance in my living room 😂 Anyways Michael, have a great holiday and 2022 looks to be another epic vinyl madness soaked year!!!
Cheers 🍻
All I know is that 45rpm Michael and InGroove Mike were my two favorite TH-camrs this last year, and their help in building my vinyl collection was invaluable to me. I respect them each for their knowledge, honesty and opinions. Neither one of them would be as good as they are at what they do if they ever elected not to make a video because their opinion was against popular opinion, or in opposition to a peer in the VC. It’s ok that they don’t agree on everything, and I look forward to their videos in 2022!
Mostly 45rpm Michael though. I find your videos oddly soothing. I often leave them refreshed, feeling as if I’ve just left a therapy session, that the crazy world we live in is a little less crazy at that moment, and gosh darn it there is an album I have to go buy. 🙂
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you Michael!
You literally took 30 seconds to say it's perfect. Maybe if you're going to criticize Mike, you should put up some photos to prove that the text & embossing lines up. I very much doubt it's perfect. Mike comes with photos from his live unboxxing. On the other hand you are without photos or proving it to your audience. So instead you're trying to psycho analyze Mike instead of actually proving that your copy of the white stripes doesn't have any issues.
Love your videos and opinions of pressings you show. My take on Mike’s video was what you get for the price for a very limited edition. I wasn’t aware of him not being denied by ERC in the past to sell their records. I think he said if it was a $20-$40 record that it would be good, but for $575 it should have been perfect. I’m very glad yours is what it should be and you are happy with it. 333 copies should have been individually inspected prior to shipping for such a high price. Yea the owner of that record that Mike (In Groove) reviewed should request another jacket that should be in mint condition. How did your copy sound by the way?
Michael, did you see the part in the In Groove video where Mike pointed out that ERC used a Sharpie marker to significantly doctor the spine and corners of the White Stripes album jacket that he unboxed, in an effort to hide manufacturing defects? What is your opinion about that? There are other discussion boards showing that other people received similarly markered/doctored jackets with this particular release from ERC. Doesn’t that cross the line, far beyond typical jacket surface scuffing or steam split issues that can be argued to be normal consequences of shipping records?
This video backfired big time.
Hey! Hope you've had a good Christmas and New Year. Just wanted to say I've missed your videos and hoping you haven't stopped posting due to the reaction by some to this video. You make some valid points as does Mike, I love you both so basically don't stop!!
Merry Christmas Michael! I wish you and your family a great new year.
thank you so much i wish you and your family the same
Merry Christmas. Good video. My biggest gripe with ERC was the spotty sound quality until the recent change in equipment which for the price it was not a good value for the money. Since the Chet baker release, I’ve noticed a dramatic change (improvements) in all their releases.
I agree with xentakis and Kruppers if you're going to buy a record for 500.00+ it needs to be damn perfect for that record to have black marker on the jacket to cover up the white showing through and scratches on the jacket I don't care how much he hurts the feeling of the company as a retailer it is Mike job to protect his customer and to tell the truth if ERC isn't informed about their mistakes how will they learn. I totally disagree with you on this particular video.
500 bucks for a piece of plastic!?! It better be goddamn perfect.
I think you should have refrained from making this video. I've seen many of the In Grooves video ( never bought anything). I think you guys are mis-characterizing his words.
As someone who has been in this hobby for roughly 30 yrs & and spent an embarrassing amount of $$$ on gear and media. I have enough experience to know quality
I've seen a number of ERC titles from friends and I don't get the hype. It falls way short of being a premium product. Maybe my standards are higher...... I've seen better quality hand made records from indi-bands.
One thing you learn about audiophile industry is that it is plagued by BS and con men. For whatever reason the good people stand by like cowards while it damages everyone's credibility.
Michael, I think you have completely miss the point of Mike from the ingroove. Your accusation of Mike having personal commercial agenda was harsh.
Great video - it helps all us Record enthusiasts to know more when it comes to spending our money on records - I definitely don’t interpret these discussions as personal attacks, but rather as information to help us make better record buying decisions :) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - Northern New Jersey loves you :)
Michael, first Merry Christmas, I hope you and yours enjoy a great holidays season.. It's clear that Mike doesn't have a lot of love for ERC, but to be fair, they have certainly given him some ammunition for criticism. I agree with your point about options to return a jacket, but when spending that kind of money for any product, especially an extremely limited edition product, quality issues should not be a concern. A customer shouldn't have to send emails, and wait to be made whole. Damage in transit is one thing, but clearly that jacket was sub par when packaged. ERC has to own that, and any customer receiving that record has a right to be thoroughly dissatisfied when opening the box. From what I know about you, and your standards (based on your videos), you would not have been happy. Long live the VC, and thanks for the videos!!
At the end of the day, I would say 85% of people know where In-Groove Mike was coming from. Guess what....Mike Ludwig does as well. Its more important for Ludwig to "be one of the boys with Fremer" than convey his own opinion.
Out of interest, do you receive promo copies from ERC?
Ordinarily I'd have chimed in way before now since I usually watch your videos pretty soon after they've been uploaded. Alas I've been unable to do so and perhaps unsurprisingly this video has drawn a vast number of comments such that this one will most likely get lost amongst the many hundreds of others. Regardless I have to say I think you're dead wrong on this one, Michael. From where I'm sitting, it seems to me that Mike is just calling it as he sees it, which is that all the copies of ERC records he's received have had issues.
You are clearly someone that has done very well in life: the type (and amount) of records you buy, not to mention the extremely high-end HiFi system you have, are clearly testament to this and more power to you for having done so well. However I wonder if perhaps you've done so well that you don't quite appreciate how expensive £400GBP for a single record really is to the vast majority of people and that it hardly a 'crusade' to call out ERC for flaws in what should be a flawless product.
You like ERC stuff and that's fine, that's your opinion. Personally I think that the price of these records is a joke and if ever there's a sign we've reached 'peak vinyl' this must be it.
In 4 minutes you have disapointed me. Mike was talking about issues that are with erc and the laquers that have put out. For that kind of price, every piece should be mint. In this case that was not so. He has the balls to speak. If all of you influencers would be more loud, there would be more quality control and mint copys for all. As a result most of us are getting packages like kinder suprise from blue note/optimal. I am not here on the quest to talk bad about them. I want that bad records stay in the optimal house. Like I said, he has the balls to speak up. You should use your infuence too that we get more quality records, not every shit is wort packing up. I apoligize if I said something wrong.
I’m a long time follower and I love your channel but I wanted to say that just because Mike reached out to ERC and has a store doesn’t mean he is wrong. There’s clearly some issues that ERC needs to address. Especially with the prices they charge.
It is the first time that I do not agree with you. Of course, Mike also makes his videos for commercial reasons. But does a seller bad products that he offers. There are also, but not Mike. His commitment to the vinyl, is extraordinary. A Michael Fremer is a dazzler and I believe only half. If I get the products I evaluate from the industry, am I really neutral ?
Mike makes ERC not fundamentally bad, but he criticizes the quality control at this low edition. He is absolutely right with what he says, at $ 500 I can demand the best quality. I can not understand that you criticize someone who wants to sell the best product to the vinyl buyer.
There is nothing bad or wrong if we disagree from time to time Manfred :-)
Got all ERC’s but been increasingly disappointed. Mike InGroove is correct in his observations. I won’t be getting any more ERC.
I think that the Quality has even improved with the tatest 3-4 releases
I’ve been with them from very start. Got every single release but will no longer do so. Their quality has been “variable”. I find their vinyl too noisy (even after multiple cleanings). My decision was made before I even knew of Mike. ERC should stick with classical and some jazz. I’d reconsider if they press using VR900 (super vinyl) formulation.
Thanks for this year videos Michael. I would like to say something about the music ;-) (huge Jack white fan here!) I am really diggin the music of Jack White! Especially The White Stripes project. I was luckily to experience Jack White and his other band, the Raconteurs a couple of time 🤘🏼. He is a genius! Take care!!! Happy new year
It has been nine days since i bought my last record! My wallet already fears the return of the great Michael Ludwig! Anyway, happy new year to you and thank you for all those old videos we can watch!
How did you get your copy?
I find it fascinating/slightly horrifying how the vinyl industry he evolved (or possibly devolved) I bought about 500 new pressings between about 86-94..& I can honestly say the thought that a pressing maybye ‘Poor’ or ‘noisy’ didn’t even enter my head..I can think of one record ‘DeLa Souls’ ‘3ft High & Rising’ I bought in 89 that had an obvious visible pressing fault..but that was it These were all £6.99 records! It seems crazy that we’re having this conversation about £400.00 records! What’s happened? I simply don’t buy £20.00 new pressings now..distortion/noise. I guess overworked pressing plants/people without the expertise/ mastering knowledge-of the old school guys goes some way to explain it? But I wouldn’t expert ERC to face these problems..but I still reading dozens of comments about disappointing pressings..it baffles me.
Totally, totally agree. I feel that this release should almost stand as a ‘lesson learnt’ for anyone putting out vinyl records. I ended up sending a link to the original review posted by Mike directly to ERC, as I’m sick and tired of quality control issues appearing time and time again on regular priced vinyl releases, let alone releases priced at THIS amount of money. It’s actually obscene.
@@danrosewarne6986 yeah Dan. It’s crazy fellah. It’s capitalism in its rawest form. I can probably by a CD of this album in a charity shop for less than a pound..does the vinyl sound £399.00 better? It’s madness.
Happy Christmas Michael! I think you might be spending your entire day answering comments on this special video! I don't think I can adequately comment on this subject, so I will leave it to Penge and Derrick. They are far more insightful than me....
i give it another hour Allan :-) Happy Christmass to you too and thx for your great Videos .. love them
I bought one ERC record and one of the corners of the jacket was pushed in. They pack in in between all that cardboard, but that cardboard should be a little bigger than the size of the jacket so it is fully protected, but indeed it is not....and the shipping costs to the USA are astronomical!! Somewhat of a rip-off. Everything should be perfect for that kind of money! If you are only making 300 copies, quality control should be a no brainer!!!!
Happy Christmas Michael. Have greatly enjoyed your videos this year and your appreciation of quality in whatever form it comes.
Thx a lot Nick!
There’s an interesting component to all of these conversations in that everyone is presented to have a conflict of interest, and anyone with enough clout in the community to be listened to probably does have a bit of a conflict. At the end of the day context is necessary. When you, a person who buys $500 records, says a $23 blue not classic is excellent, then i’m going to take your word for it. When mike at the in groove tells me the pallas/grundman version of nevermind is in the same ballpark as more expensive pressings im going to listen to him because he has heard versions of these record i’ll probably never hear. I’m with a lot of people here who are exhausted by this erc stuff because it doesn’t matter to us. Please Tell me which versions of the analogue productions prestige reissues are worth my $40. Your channel is great and this is by far the most relaxing vinyl channel on youtube. Thanks for all you do.
Thank for sharing what is truly an incredible box set Michael.
The work involved in the creation of this box set is on another level.
David Toop amazing artist for sure.
Thanks so much for sharing Michael,people need to know about this set absolutely stunning.
Also thanks so much for mentioning George Harrison’s birthday who would have been 80 today.He would have loved this set I’m sure,lovely touch Michael 🙏
See you next time 🙌
I totally disagree with your comments. Mike at the In Groove always calls out if there is an issue with a record, no matter what the price is. His experience with ERC has not been good and for that exorbitant price, he is entitled to say so. Mike also does live streams, and shoot outs and is a valued member of the vinyl community, contrary to what you imply.
I’ll never have the money to buy an ERC release and if I did I’d rather buy 25 or so standard releases. But I’d expect them to perfect also. QC is everyone’s issue and no one should get a pass. Anyway - keep up the good work Micheal and happy Xmas
If I order a $575.00 record I would never expect to have to make a phone call to get a new cover. I would expect that if I buy a digitally produced album from WalMart.
A couple of things. We all agree Mike does the best shootouts. So his opinion counts of the ERC. You might not agree and that’s valid. To me the biggest point Mike is making is that if you pay 500 euro’s for a White Stripes album it should be perfect. If you only make 300 records you can inspect every single one of them and even listen to them all and send out a perfect copy. On sound: Jack White is an all analogue guy so the 20 euro version is also all analogue. The ERC is tube mastered and the other one isn’t. I like tube mastered so I don’t know which sounds better. But most people who are buying these records don’t care. It’s an investment and they leave it sealed. With the exception of some TH-camrs of course… ;-) And that’s the business model of this company. And that’s ok. But don’t say they make the best sounding product just because it’s tube mastered. I’m sure the Prestige titles from AP sound just as good or better than the ERC versions. You can’t say Kevin Gray is the best mastering guy ever but for the ERC’s that suddenly doesn’t matter anymore. Just because ERC is tube mastered it’s miles ahead of anything else. That just doesn’t make sense. You can’t say RTI is the best pressing plant but for the ERC’s that just doesn’t matter anymore. That all just doesn’t make any sense. For ultra expensive classical vinyl I can understand people are paying a fraction of the price the get the ERC version. But I still think most people who are buying these records will never listen to them and nobody ever will because they will get more and more expensive and remain sealed forever. Which for ERC is a good thing. Because nobody will ever notice any pressing defects etc. It’s just a very smart business model. And on the jealousy remark. I don’t think there’s any shop in the world who’s selling ERC records. You can only buy them thru ERC if I’m correct. So don’t say that the ERC is the one girl that Mike can’t have and that’s why he’s giving negative reviews. That’s the only argument I’m hearing against Mike video. But that’s a bit of nonsense argument. To me it seems that the people who have ERC’s are trying to protect their investment and go against Mike no matter what he says. But in the end it doesn’t matter. The ERC’s will only get more and more valuable no matter what anybody says. So in the end there’s no bad publicity only publicity!
Hi Michael, it's not about Mike's opinion but could you explain in a video why an excellent copy of a tone poets cost 35 euros and a ERC ten times more. Is there some magic inside the groove or is it just to feed the need for some happy few to possess what others can't ?
Why is a Hermes Bag up to 28000 Euros? Answer: marketing
If that record gives you magic moments question yourself what your time is worth and how you want to live your life!
Time is limited!
It's the all tube vintage machines they use. There is a video on TH-cam that shows their equipment. Is it worth it? Not for me but for many people it is.
If you want a reissue of a record that is produced on nearly the exact same gear as the original, for both the vinyl and the sleeve. ERC is the only way to go. They use the same period cutting lathes and tube gear as when the original was made. NO one else does that. But at $3-500 a pop the records should be perfect. (I've been to Michael Fremer's house, he has the ERCs and they are perfect.) Mike E doesn't really care about that, he's found something that stirs people up and he's sticking to it: marketing.
Marketing without integrity and ethics. When passion becomes greed.
After 15 years of struggle now is the time to cash out!
I would be disgusted if a record I paid $40 for had those flaws. If I paid $600 for a record that someone took a sharpie to in order to deceive me I am kicking someone’s ass!
The quality control at ERC needs to be better, much better, and they probably should ship them in better boxes. I am sure that a lot of collectors have a lot more expensive records than what ERC sells theirs for, and some titles would not be available if they were not done by ERC - or at an even higher price and in worse condition from the used market. Mike from In Groove also makes that point and thinks for those titles it makes sense (as far as I gathered). A boutique brand doing very limited run, obtaining master tapes, on an all tube system is going to be expensive regardless. It is not meant for everyone, it is a very limited product for very few people. With regards to lacquers, which used to be the major topic, it seems like a storm in a water glass. They seem to hold up well for most users over many years. I love what ERC are doing, and I am glad they exist and I hope they start doing much better quality control.
Mike is a smart businessman, but I suspect he’s also one who understands it is better to be honest with your audience, which then builds trust with them and makes it more likely that they become loyal customers. I bought one ERC record to try out, Everybody Digs Bill Evans, Stereo edition. The cover was lovely and very well-made, but the record was extremely noisy and sounded like a 50 year-old used record, even after several cleanings. I emailed them and they immediately sent a replacement, which was better but still very noisy. I haven’t bought another one, which is a shame because I love the concept of what they’re doing. To be honest, I was glad to hear that it wasn’t just me who got unlucky. Michael, thank you for all your great videos this past year, and wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.
Merry Christmas John.. and thx a lot for all your great comments over the last year
John, being "extremely noisy and sounding like a 50 year old used record?" Isn't that being faithful to the original release? :-))
@@iraeich 😆
I think Mike from the in groove is spot on regarding this topic. Merry Christmas, I love your videos.
I don't know this album so i played a couple of tracks on TH-cam ..... it seems to be stripped down garage/blues rock which would sound fine on a pretty basic system .....I can understand getting all audiophiley on an orchestral piece or some rock or jazz where there is more than just basic guitar and drums ....but ....am I missing something here ?
Merry Christmas Michael. I thought you might do a Christmas 🎄 album video this season. Did I miss it or did you decide against it? Anyway - safe, healthy, happy holidays to you and yours.
Merry Christmas to you too Music Fan has been a pleasure to read all your comments!
Terrible choice of topic 45RPM, hope not a trend validating other opinions rather than sharing your own (about releases). People are smart enough to determine motives and quality of advice for themselves, your advice here is in poor taste. Mike’s reputation he earned for himself and much of that to collectors like myself that cant have it all. Brick and mortar knowledge is essential to thousands of collectors, certainly as much part of the community as any. Those of us that have been buying for decades still go to shops with people like Mike for more knowledge on genres and labels than you or I could have time to accumulate. Unfortunate this internet age with sales and recommendations moving more online we do not having that respect as exists in other hobbies that are better supporting local retailers and the knowledge. We did the same to hifi retail and are worse off because of it.
The price of these ERC records is outrageous, funny both Mike and Chad make that point and no one wants to talk about that in context. Peace in the community ? state your opinions as you have and let the company speak for themselves. Other labels have gone to great lengths to inform about time and effort to make premium records, that’s how markets work. When things are out of whack people ask questions and will have opinions on the price and quality. A big leap some of what you’ve implied in this video.
I have liked Fremer's work back in the 90s with his Tracking Angle magazine, and later his music angle podcasts etc. Don't know about his recent stuff but generally I do like your podcast a lot and your advice is solid. Thanks for the work you do.
The VC needs you both.
You both provide for the VC in different ways.
The VC is a better place because you are both in it.
He displayed how these very expensive records had clear imperfections-Sharpie markings, Badly printed covers, average pressing.
I do enjoy your videos, however, this one leaves a bitter aftertaste. Would even go as far as claiming you are after a bit of publicity.
If I pay hundreds of dollars for a NEW record, I expect this to be pristine - no scratched jacket, sharpie pen touch ups, etc. It's completely unacceptable to have a limited run of 300 records and not be able to ensure each and every single one is tip top.
I don't think it is a good idea attacking a persons integrity on this subject. I love both your channels and believe both of you give truthful opines. You can question his integrity because he couldn't get ERCs but he can question your integrity because you are a a collector and have a lot of ERCs and its value would take a hit. I do not believe this is true for either. What I wonder is this a high price because of quality or because or rareness. If there was 25-50 thousand of these made is the quality high enough to justify the price. If MOFI pressed higher amounts their price would still be worth it but would ERCs. Have a Merry Christmas and be save.
I disagree with the gist of this video. Couldn’t your viewers also assume you’re still singing ERC’s praises so the ERC albums you own continue to climb in value. See what happens when people make assumptions?
I myself have considered purchasing some ERC releases. Thank god In Groove Mike is giving honest reviews about their quality control and what you might get for your $500.
Merry Christmas Michael !
I also disagree with your take on Mike's motivations. It seems an unfair assessment. My understanding is that he's buying these albums as a collector with his own money. Right? Therefore, he is speaking his mind from that context; not in the context of a businessman making a commercial. This is why I watch Mike's videos. If I had any hint that he was coming from some business-related place, I would see your point. That's not my take. Merry Christmas, Michael.
It’s pretty evident to me that mikes priorities are his customers but you seem to be divided loyalties between the customers and ERC. Don’t worry you’ll get your freebies still.
Mike has no agenda and simply shows us what is in the box.
Very disappointed with your video. In my mind your objectivity took a major hit
You should never have made this video.
You have nothing to do with one other mans opinion
The fact you made it tells me all I need to know.
Oh..it’s pronounced base, not like the fish..
Happy feast, Michael. My only audiophile stuff is Acoustic Sounds and Tone Poet. My main musical interests doesn't require audiophile reissues or new stuff. Therefore I don't think recordings of this kind require this treatment. Although I am curious what for example MOFI would do with Soundgarden' Superunknown (analog recorded). I love Mike, I don't think he does this to get even.
I don't see why it's so difficult for some to get Mike (in groove's) point about ERC, If they're making those records at such a high price and in such a small quantity they should be flawless, no question.
I don't think Mike would be bitter towards ERC for not supplying his store with product, Mike already runs a successful record store and I don't think him or most people would expect a company like ERC to be supplying record stores. I can't imagine him being angry or surprised at them saying no but I think he decided to give it a crack anyway just for the heck of it.
I think people mostly just don't like the exclusivity of ERC, not just being so high priced and in such a small quantity but if there were a record done by them which you'd otherwise be unable to get an all analogue reissue of, an example being their "True Mono" edition of My Favourite Things by John Coltrane which they did supposedly from the original master tape which was only just discovered recently and the fact that it's done by them with their extreme low quantity, high price model and almost no one is able to listen to it seems shitty to me.
If they were doing records which were otherwise available or had been in print (In the last 10 years or so) as all analogue reissues and just advertised themselves as having the best versions of those albums and the quality control was consistently there then I'd say good, no big deal. I've never had or heard an ERC record but I think I agree with Mike (In groove) they just give a vibe of being overly exclusive, pretentious and scammy.
Sorry Michael, but i totally disagree with you here. You make a bunch of assumptions that aren't correct if you watch Mike's video. Seems to me you're talking up your own purchase. I will never buy an ERC record again. I have 1 and it's absolutely nothing special and really noisy. Especially if you consider the price. I like your videos, but this one is just wrong and you are making false statements. Mike had been extremely honest in his video.