Intel Bricked Your Interface
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This is why I stick with RME. They genuinely seem to care about making equipment that lasts.
Never gave a thought about thunderbolt as I gaze at my RME with USB and zero latency 🤷
RME put out a statement detailing why USB 2/3 is sufficient for audio applications, thunderbolt is overkill.
RME & USB ... a winning combination. Won't change from this ever. Been on it for 20 years (or more).
One thing I will always remember Barry by is his cornbread English
Sorry I think this video should be remade or there should be a follow up clarifying what it's saying. Intel did NOT recently kill Thunderbolt compatibility. Thunderbolt 4 on Windows has never been compatible with TB1 or TB2 since its release in 2020. David at MixBusTV ran into TB4 > TB2 compatibility because he is building a new PC and was unaware of the TB4 > TB1/TB2 compatibility issue. Nothing new here from the Intel side. Thunderbolt 4 continues to be backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3 on Windows with no plans to change that as far as I know.
Assembled my computer a few years ago without an inkling about Thunderbolt. Thank God. Only heard about it when I saw some audio interfaces running on thunderbolt.
Barry, I will say that Intel dropped the ball for backwards compatibility for Thunderbolt4, but like with all "superior" mediums, it's not heavily used because Thunderbolt requires certification which requires licensing with cost manufacturers. So like Firewire of the past, we were told that USB is just good enough, even though for audio, firewire was the much best medium. I've said this in a few comments and I will say it here, it will be interesting to see how manufacturers spin USB4, seeing that Thunderbolt3 is the foundation of USB4. Everybody that is using USB4 is basically using Thunderbolt3.
Thanks for the video, Barry. FYI to all: Mac's actually have multiple TB Controllers. As long as that's true, TB2 and 3 will keep working on Macs. PC Peeps: USB 4, in some cases has TB3 compatibility. Your MOBO may have USB 4.
Thunderbolt is overkill for anything audio but can have some advantages in terms of data write speeds/high bandwidth devices (like with video). Thankfully in audio, you don't need those speeds. My Mac runs my USB-C MOTU M2 and an USB-C external ssd with no hiccups! Audio only needs USB 2.0 speeds which has been around for 15+ years.
And the dead 1394 FireWire is still working fine even on Windows 11...
I feel like this is based off David's MixBusTV video. It's important to note Thunderbolt 4 on Windows has only ever been backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3, but not Thunderbolt 1 and 2. This is NOT new information and has been true since the release of TB4 for Windows. David is building a new PC and just discovered this issue. If you look at Intel's site, they still document TB4 is backwards compatible with TB3. David's issue was backwards compatibility with TB4 > TB2 only, which has never been supported on Windows.
Let’s go back to tape.
I believe I understand the issue. See Apple no longer needs intel CPU's because they make their own (M-series). If I understand it correctly Apple is the one that invented and uses thunderbolt the most. I rarely see thunderbolt on a windows machine (they most likely use a daughter card to use it). So why would intel care if they do not support thunder bolt 3 and below. Apple no longer goes to them for intel CPU chips. Makes sense to me. The issue is Apple is a closed operating system. This is one reason I find it hard for me to go to Apple. People say oh Windows this and that. Apple has issues to. They both are hard to deal with.
Hi Barry. Can you please add links to the documentation you are reacting to from Intel ? kind regards Nils
Great video thanks Barry, was looking at some laptops with Thunderbolt 4 ports and may now re-think. I heard similar things with AMD boards around Intel not 'playing ball' with allowing a more widespread use of TB on AMD boards, I know AMD can offer TB, but I've heard there are still challenges with compatibility.
This has been an issue since last year, Barry. I had 3 weeks of back and forth with Asus last year explaining to them that my Quantum was still being sold at that time and that TB2 wasn't outdated yet so they issued me with a rollback for the firmware. Seemingly I was the only one they issued it to at that time because I had to share it with multiple people over Google Drive. If you update your BIOS now though, you have to also use the rollback afterward which is available as a seperate download from their site
I built a Thunderbolt 4 unit and purchased a Thunderbolt 4 gaming PC last year. Thank God
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There's a couple of issues at play. From what I understand, if you are running a TB3 interface, it should still work with TB4 and USB4 chipsets, but you would be out of luck with TB1 or TB2, even with a TB1/2 to TB3 adapter. On the Intel side, there has been a firmware update that has disabled all TB1/2 compatibility.