As someone who has gone 100% Linux for years now it's useful to see what is holding others back. These are legitimate reasons. They luckily don't apply much to me since I'm a developer and gamer who doesn't mod much outside of Minecraft (which works great on Linux). Easy to forget how much more computing there is than the parts I use.
For me it's 4K Netflix streaming and Dolby Vision and Atmos. Luckily I switched most Apps years ago like from MSOffice to LibreOffice and so on. But the Media Quality is a big no go for me since I stream daily to my TV.
Playing MC via Prism Launcher right now, and it just works. BUT - with MC 1.20.5 java 21 is required and being on a Debian flavored distro (MX) I'm stuck with java 17 for now - I suppose I could upgrade if I really wanted, but the point of Debian is literally not to rock the boat.
Everyone uses their PC their own way and have their own reasons. After I started using Linux I have noticed that many people seem to think that there's no downsides whatsoever about Linux. And when I bring up inconvient things they attack me with all they got
16:12 That's the problem. The devs are waiting for people to move to Linux and the people are waiting for the devs to make their stuff work on Linux. But until someone makes the first move everyone is just stuck waiting forever.
there is nothing wrong with using windows, for some applications. why you need a full switch either way linux or windows? my part is gaming, but i use 2 different operating systems, hell yeah its even easiert with 2 pcs.
@@BlacKi-nd4uy There's a thing going wrong in Windows if Microsoft continues in their current trajectory, and this also endangers creators, because in the future you have unreliable operating system where your data is not safe on any partition you use to work on the OS. Another problem that everyone suffers from in current situation, and also has been bothering many folks before, is that with Windows you have corporate middleman there on your hardware all the time. It costs money, and gives little in return. Problem is that Windows itself doesn't really do anything that other operating systems can't do, it's just all the third party software dependencies that lock people to this costly OS. This is unnecessary.
@@BlacKi-nd4uy Well, maybe for "normal" people there's nothing wrong with that, but there certainly is for me. I cannot do anything productive on Window$.
@@jarivuorinen3878 That's why you use Windows for just the things you need, and without it being online, then switch to Linux if you need to do most any other work including online stuff.
It really really sucks hearing how many people say the biggest issue switching to Linux is software. It all comes down to companies being expected to be exploitative and limiting to make as much profit as possible, not convenient or supportive. Why would adobe ever want to support Linux? They don't need to at all, they're making plenty of money on their locked in platforms, so why would they put in all that effort to support an open and free operating system that they can't entirely lock down? I just find it disgusting that the industry standard is to be as exploitative as possible.
Honestly (I should have gone into this more, but my audio section was too long already), even if FL studio and all my audio plugins natively worked on linux, it would be hard to move away from Windows (or MacOS)... The audio situation on Linux is average at best... Latency is almost always better on Windows and changing buffers and such isn't always easy on linux.
That's just how capitalism will always be, yea it sucks but the alternatives also suck, unfortunately perfection is a paradox, an impossibility, so this means every system will be exploitable in some way (just as any security expert) and the people to rise to the top of that system will be the ones willing to exploit it the most
@@teksyndicateI've heard of people getting less audio latency by working directly with ALSA instead of going through pulseaudio or pipewire, that might improve things for you
I completely agree with this video. I've tried numerous times to switch to Linux. I love it so much. Unfortunately every time I try to do something new I find that I've got to tweak the system too much to get it to work. I usually end up breaking the system and having to start over. So frustrating.
try again, install timeshift and keep snapshots every day. If you ever tweak or update and break you can just use timeshift to fix the packages as they were before. If you use arch it's possible to break a system so hard or it breaks itself timeshift isn't enough, but on any other distro it will save you 99.9% of the time.
Yeah. Modding on Linux is the EXACT same thing as it is on Windows. I literally play RimWorld (windows game) and to mod it, you literally drop the mods in the mod folder. And I'm sure it is the same for DLL. If the game runs ,then it would recognize the DLL the same I have script mods for the Sims 4. I've never had a problem with these. I also play the Sims 2. A game that runs poorly on modern windows installments. (Sadly with this one, since I sandbox wine with user namespaces i have to install the media in the sandbox, not with the system wine thingy, because it writes specific registry code that makes running it sandboxed with a native install impossible. But that's about it.)
@@CodexSan it's almost the same, but not 100%. I recently had issues with RE4 tweaks and Silent Hill 3 camera mod, both dll mods. Had to tweak file names for them to even be recognized, and I think RE4 tweaks makes the game not load save files sometimes and I have to restart. Elden Ring mods, like Reforged, need special tweaks too (Reforged was adapted by the author, was not playable until some proton update).
I've never had a mod for an Elder Scrolls game or Factorio fail to work because I was on Linux. Some mods make a poorly-coded game (say; Oblivion) run even worse, but that's not Linux's fault.
@@CodexSan half the programs he whined about in this video run in linux natively, like davinci. Idk what Tek is doing but it's certainly tweaking on something and it isn't Linux, I use it daily and rarely tweak it, about as much as windows, and I run arch...
@@maximecyclochard6912 wine needs all sorts of configuring and separate programs to get things to work. proton in steam seems to work mostly out of the box.
Dude hasnt done any due diligence doesnt know what proton acrially js snd doesnt know fhat modding is cully poasible on linux so chard to say hiw much of his assertions are actually accurate
As a full time linux user, this a very good video with well thought out and logical discussions about the shortcomings of linux and linux gaming 👍 . I too struggle with mods on linux gaming and the wide-screen struggle is real.
This might come off as a contentious (or rather extremely controversial) opinion, but I don't think tools like Flawless Widescreen are "flawless". In fact, I'd actually make the argument to say that they're poorly designed. It's literally no secret (in fact it's an open one) that the developer of Flawless Widescreen, Hayden, has a pretty apparent problem with ego, being denigrating towards others, and over-estimating their abilities, and they've openly had an anti-Linux and anti-AMD agenda in the past. I'm sorry, but anything that constantly has to run in the background, from startup (if you don't want to open it before you then open a game), as an administrator at that (Keep in mind it's injecting stuff into the game's memory), is bad design, and it's possible that it's a walking security risk, and it likely even affects games with anti-cheat or software that is very strict about background tasks and services. You need a third-party solution (SteamTinkerLaunch) to even get it working with a game running on Proton. I don't even believe they've made anything recently, at least I haven't seen them frequent WSGF on Discord in a while. I guess one of the few good things about FWGS is how it handles multi-display support, lets you toggle mods on/off when the game's running, and lets you adjust things like the FOV and see that when the game's running, but how's this any better from just putting that stuff into an ImGui overlay that behaves functionally similar to RivaTuner, Special K, the Steam overlay, or literally anything that wraps or hooks itself onto DirectX/GL/Vulkan when the game's done drawing what it needs? But I digress, Anything that relies on extra steps than just dragging and dropping some files into the game's directory (So you can contain it to the game's process, and make things streamlined and as easy for your average end user to run, so they don't go submitting support tickets asking for really blatantly obvious stuff when they can barely handle a file manager) is inherently anti-thetical to making a fix for a game that aims to fix a downside to the game that prevents it working optimally out of the box for the end user. Your average Steam forum user is a complete idiot (Not to denegrate them, they are good at finding problems, but not good at finding solutions), and not streamlining things is opening yourself to a ton of wasted time troubleshooting obvious issues for people who can't read a forum post. Some mod developers making fixes for games have realized this, and went out of their way to move things from external executable and Cheat Engine trainer solutions to proper DLL mods made in C++. Reloaded-II, despite all of my issues with it as a mod loader, at least puts it's configs in a clear location and they offer a DLL install of sorts which uses ASI Loader as a base, meaning it's easier to setup with games on Proton or if you want something that isn't entirely dependent on launching an external launcher. I have to even wonder why the script extender for Bethesda's games don't even bother with just using a DLL file that automatically injects what's needed when the game launches, because that would make it so all you have to do is launch the game through Steam instead of messing around with your file manager endlessly. Despite Special K having a background service/app that essentially behaves like a game launcher (And even imports your games from Steam/GOG/Epic/Xbox and then auto-injects into the game through the launcher), you can copy the SpecialK32.dll or SpecialK64.dll file from the SKIF's directory into the game's directory and then install it. Kaldaien has made efforts to make Special K (Which also includes his mods for Nier Automata and others) work on a wide range of setups, and that includes on Proton/WINE. If you can handle using Cheat Engine or x64dbg and making assembly patches, then you can handle writing a DLL in C++, so your mods are easy to install for the average schmuck. The game mod compatibility issue with Linux is entirely self-inflicted. I've made strives to move away from Cheat Engine tables and to write my mods as DLL files in C++ (Or in the case of Unity games, using BepInEx which opens the doors to what you can improve), and things are as easy as dragging some files into the game directory and setting a specific launch parameter in the Steam game's properties section with the DLL file in question (I.E: "WINEDLLOVERRIDES='dinput8=n,b' %command"), while also not relying on having to install the dreaded Visual C++ Runtimes in every game's Proton prefix (Thanks to just cross-compiling with MinGW, and using standard C++ functions rather than the ones from MSVC). I'm definitely not that skilled, I have a lot to learn about still, but looking inside, I feel like there's a lot more that could be done, even on Windows, the experience with game mods sucks.
as someone who likes to mod and load mods in games i feel that. some modding tools dont run on linux because they are broken in wine or dont work for some reason. and they dont have a linux build. i have to run a windows vm or have seperate hardware to do those windows specific tasks. which i dont mind but makes it far more annoying than it needs to be. i want to be done with windows.
I feel ya. I was testing Linux recently primary 4K and secondary 1440p. Even though the 1440p is generally used by a NUC, it still has the DP cable plugged in for if I need to dual screen my main machine. Linux was constantly trying to connect to it and having the login screen over there. Windows tries it once, then remembers that you've set to single monitor. My Linux trial didn't. I also found screen scaling and such seemed to come and go. For instance Steam, one time it would be scaled and fine, the next, text was teeny tiny. It all started to get annoying. LOL.
“My creativity is more important than my righteousness,” such an excellent summation of the issue for a lot of folks stuck on other platforms. I love Linux and it is my go-to for my casual machines where I just mess around, but it has yet to address the scope of my creative workflow needs.
The problem with that mindset is what happens when the product you use becomes unavailable to you? Say the corporation who sold it to you says you have to pay an exorbitant subscription to continue using what you already paid for, or maybe worse, the corporation simply decides that nobody can use it anymore and anyone who purchased it is stripped of access in order to push them to buy a new product? What happens if the corporation goes belly-up and the lack of support causes the software to break on modern operating systems, and because the files use a proprietary format, you can't move your existing work over to a different piece of software? Do you truly own your creative works if your means of accessing them and creating them can be stripped from you by the whims of a third party? It's not just about righteousness. It's about thinking in the long term.
@@GANONdork123 "what happens when the product you use becomes unavailable to you? " yar har, shiver dee dee! being a pirate is something to be! do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
@@GANONdork123 Thank you for your response. Your concerns are valid, but will be relative to the effected individual and their particular ‘poison’ of creative work. As with any work, the tools one employs are subject to reasonable availability, reliability, and replacement when necessary, fundamental aspects of tools digital and otherwise. For some, the game of ‘what if’ might be more relevant than it is to others, and in cases of tools disappearing, not working as desired, or being unreasonable in form, function, or otherwise, I’d argue the individual’s plight is indeed about preserving their process rather than righteousness (though, really, the two need not be mutually exclusive, do they?). However, as in instances referenced in the video, the best tool for the job is the tool that you have available and reliable and replaceable to you right now, at hand and ready to work or most immediately so, and in many instances that means indentured servitude to an evil that ought not be necessary but is. Don’t get it twisted-just like the video suggests, I’m constantly experimenting with open source options, Wine configurations, and ways in which I might manually rethink my workflow to limit my exposure, but sometimes you have a row of nails in front of you and only a hammer will do. I think anyone that suggests alternative platforms to others without taking the time to understand the workflow and creative in question is doing so with a degree of arrogance and ignorance, however well-intentioned. I feel like that’s the position of this video-not an attack on Linux or open source options, but an acknowledgement that there are about as many divergent needs and workflows as their are workers, and neither you nor me nor anybody else can possibly say for certain what may or may not be best from another stranger on the internet.
@@GANONdork123 I'll just pirate an old version... or, let's say FL Studio decides to switch and make their users pay a monthly fee... I'll block their servers with pihole.
@@GANONdork123 As someone who uses Clip Studio Paint, I just pay the subscription. If/when the company goes under, what I do next will depend on my situation and options at the time. That said, I want to ask, in your counter to "My creativity is more important than my righteousness", what is the final goal? I'm not quite following the mindset given the video topic.
For the big majority of people who don't game and just need office packages and an internet browser, Linux is 100% usable. That is a lot of people. Most people don't need Adobe or games. Once we get them to move and have the numbers, only then big corporations will pay attention to Linux.
Ex professional musician over here (more than 20 years of hard work), now a developer full time. I understand all you are talking about. My "sollution" (anyone does as it pleases and the way it pleases, it's just my choice) for this was to let it go when there is no way to port the apps/hardware (at least, for now) and embrace a totally new environment. From time to time I discover something that once was impossible or difficult to port, is now a lot easier. I also bought a lot of libraries and VSTs on the past, and I can use about 90% of it (even Native Access) with no problems on Debian (yes, the grandpa of distros). I imagine it would be easier in Arch, but I had my frustrations with role releasing distros on the past, so I stick with a stable one. My DAW (REAPER) is already compatible with linux for some time, so I think it was easier for me. Anyway, I can´t imagine myself without the customization and freedom that linux gives me today. (KDE, window managers, flatpaks, reliable repositories etc.) I really try to visit my Windows 11 hard drive from time to time and it's a lot of pain and frustration (my Audio Interface seems to not work properly anymore on Windows for example). So now, I´ m on the opposite side of the conversation, and I don't want to go back. I think it would be possible, but I'm a happy linux user now.
Yeah, mostly I hear in this video is whining about "bUt I dO nOt WaNt To LeArN nEw StUfF"... Besides, a virtual machine with win11 running passthrough and just run it inside that if the user absolutely HAS to use a specific windows application not available on linux. Heck, you can even play games doing that. I had no problems getting autodesk inventor running using that method. And that application is said to be "impossible to run on linux". I guess I am a magician then... xD
Well, yeah, in order to make an omelette, you gonna have to break some eggs. You wanna stick it to Microsoft for designing and monopolizing the market around their OS in such a way it's nigh impossible to switch? Yeah, you gotta suffer some, as you lose the access to that exact market, what can you do...
@@marcusjohansson668 Well - I think with a VM doing passthru it is less running on linux than running within linux. So maybe more stage magician than Gandalf. 😁
@@sociallyferal4237 Kinda my point, the "adobe can not be ran on linux" is something that should be squashed. Besides, people should not be using adobe anyway, unless they want to give adobe access to all their work. xD
Affinity didn't have plan for windows originally, but due to demands they paused development on their Publisher to get the other software out on windows. So sometimes, demand works.
Oh man they really need to make Affinity available on Linux. I will buy the entire suite even at full price. Im not even bothered about Photoshop (even though I know it better).
I use Windows, Linux and macOS. I never told anyone to make the switch to either, because all three have their advantages and disadvantages. I do my video editing on macos, I game on Windows and code on Linux.
That's the problem with Linux, its not just software that solves a problem, its an ideology, and that's why Windows is losing market share to MacOS, but Linux never pass 3%.
I basically don't care, I use XenHyperVisor on my computer so I can run Windows and MacOS and Linux because I use software for what it does, not for ideology, I don't care about free software, I use open source when I have the need to change software. I actually prefer that I can't easily customize Windows, it prevents me from wasting time and actually use the computer to get actual real work done, instead of playing with the operating system like a game. I do play games on Windows, it has GPU pass-through and is technically my "DWM" as Linux desktop kind of sucks, so I use it only from the command line.
@@monad_tcp Disagree. Linux doesn't gain market share because it doesn't sit on store shelves beside MacOS and Windows PCs. Need a major brand to actually try and sell them (not just make them hoping people will notice and buy as some have attempted). People don't buy MacOS, they buy an Apple computer.
@@monad_tcp Well, lack of customization is deal-breaker to me on windows. On W11 I can't even have vertical taskbar... And sorry to say, but if ability to customize things to improve your workflow is distraction for you, then that is very much problem with you.
Steam has give super clear signals what is the key for making people use linux: 1) ease of use 2) software I wish Linux devs would focus on those areas instead of making new distros and desktop environments
@@gabrielkolletalves493 if valve had accepted that mentality we would not had the steam deck and the state of linux gaming where windows games run as smoothly as native software. There a lot of things linux debs could do to attract developer support or even make them run without their support. But they do not do it because the majority of distros do not care or they are stuck in the mentality of everything has to be open source and ethical. They usually treat any privative software as the devil with a lot of warnings, or separate repositories for them and they want to develop their own open source alternatives that are not always on par. I am all for open source regarding the os, drivers and apis because that is where big companies fuck us, but regarding an specific productivity app or a game nobody cares if it is open source or even "native". Valve understand that and they are being pragmatic, linux debs usually are not although I see some are starting to understand.
The Achilles heel of Linux for me is the tremendous lack of user friendliness. You feel that you need to spend a whole day just to get your web cam working (random example) an that will always keep the majority of people away.
@@repairman2be250 You assume wrong, I've been trying new distros for some time now. From Mint to Ubuntu, and so on. My point still stands. The broad range of Linux distributions is commendable and offers a lot of variety and flexibility, but gives a lot of headaches to newcomers, In the end there's only one Windows, and people in will always choose the easier and faster way and Microsoft knows this.
I feel you 100% on the lack of good music and media players in Linux. I went through the same journey through Clementine, Nightingale, DeadBeef, etc, and none of them stacked up to Foobar2000. I'm getting by with the flatpak someone made, but would love to have it natively running for all the reasons you mentioned. Maybe someday soon the dev will hear our pleas. Another category of software to mention are the myriad peripheral utilities for programmable mice and keyboards, and so on. I haven't looked in the last few years, but I remember there not being much. Perhaps that's changed, but hopefully we see more of that from manufacturers and/or the FOSS community soon. Also, absolutely digging your music. Keep at it!
Strawberry. It's great and closest to Foobar I could find and you can tweak it to look like foobar, mostly. Honestly I forgot about foobar since using strawberry but I desperately missed foobar until I did.
for the modding point: on Linux ive modded Guild Wars 2, Monster Hunter World, Minecraft, Deep Rock Galactic and plan to mod a few more games. Works fine so far, GW2 just needed some wine/protontricks
@@plebisMaximus As someone who's a full time Linux user, I agree. The modding situation on Linux is not good enough. It's symptomatic of a general problem with Linux. If you put literally thousands of hours into it, you can make most things work, sort of. But most people don't have that option.
You have some more options: -dualboot, a PC of these days can reboot to an other OS under 15sec. So at least you can enjoy the free world after you finished the creative stuff. -you can run Windows in Virtualbox, with a shared folder between the two OSs. I did this to simply access my corporation's onedrive / sharepoint shares from Linux. *Debian with it's usually old packages may not be the best os for desktops. That may be the source of your problems with Wayland.
@@nathanp3366 I did not tried qemu yet. But so far vbox was fine for me, I did mostly writing and testing freepascal code with Lazarus. It's an easy way for me to test multiplatform code on a Linux host.
@@nathanp3366 I was gonna say, who runs virtualbox in windows when KVM/Qemu works a lot better? OP, if you haven't tried it, you should. It's amazing, performs better than VMWare.
1) if you're gonna end up being spied on windows, why bother dual booting at all? 2) virtual machine hit the performance like a truck. You're losing performance that you paid for what? Just for hating windows?
@@youravghuman5231 He? o.O 1 - We are using Altium Designer at work. Sometimes I had to work from home and no, the last years it was not working with wine. Previously it worked, but in a verry sluggish, useless way. 2 - Please don't bring hate to this conversations. I'm using vbox usually to write and test multiplatform apps. Works fine. *No, I do not like using Windows. I just have to time to time.
I haven't watched the full video yet, but I can't switch over to Linux because I'm disabled and I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking to control the computer and to type. So far I haven't found anything which is as good. Edit: The homage was the game Blackthorne.
Linux is not in a great spot for accessibility right now, unfortunately. The old tools are all broken by the transition to Wayland, and the new tools largely aren't done yet. Might be looking better in a few years, though, hopefully.
@@psiah9889 In a few years, in a few years, you will see they will get there... 💤💤 30 years and still the same lame excuses. How many decades of gimp and still the maybe most unusable ui/ux out there. Where is HiDPI support in most of that awesome "alternatives" ? Multimonitor ? What about making that thing generally usable instead of producing 50 new distros a week. Or do most linux nerds just tweak their desktop, make a video about it, and then tweak the next distro ? A very unproductive way to spend your life on this planet.
@@kaisfp So... Remember back in the day when Windows Vista came out and it changed the way a lot of things worked and broke several things, but it was ultimately required for things to work well in the future because a lot of the old assumptions people made back in the 80's and 90's about what would be needed in the future weren't great? Linux is going through that a bit later... As in, right now. Wayland replaces X11, which is how Linux has done things for like four decades now, but was designed for mainframe type systems with multiple users accessing it at once. Stuff like multiple monitor support has been hacked in, rather than being a basic, intentional feature, and the old way was horrendously insecure, making keyloggers very easy to set up even if they were never as common as on windows. Wayland is the new version, meant to fix all that. It, for instance, actually supports running multiple monitors with different refresh rates, instead of just taking one giant virtual monitor and cutting slices out of it for different screens. It modernizes things, makes them faster, makes them support modern protocols better, and makes them much more secure. But security always comes at the cost of convenience. Easy keyloggers also meant easy screen readers... Now on Wayland, those are much more difficult to do. Not *impossible*, mind, but a lot of work and the devs largely haven't gotten around to it yet. So people who need those features are stuck on the old, insecure version that, notably, no one is really working on and fixing bugs and the like for anymore. Still, it's got like fourty years of time put into it, so it's also just pretty stable and relatively bug-free at this point in general. So, basically, tl;dr: Wayland is the future of the Linux desktop, but there are still some missing pieces that affect accessibility software more than anything else.
Whenever I listen to things like this is that it never addresses the business world. Try doing your yearly taxes with a Linux app. Say what -- you can't - yep you're correct. Try running a robust Contact Manager on Linux (not just a shiny address book). Say what - you can't - yep you're correct. Try keeping track of your checking accounts with a Linux app. Oh I've looked but they are very weak. That is the big problem for anyone outside of people who only talk games. I've been a Linux user for a long time but I need to also have Windows on another partition. Wine just doesn't work well on proprietary software.
Yeah its usually just use their web application if available - I pretty much use Microsoft Teams this way. But it is a very fair point, if you can't run the app natively, and there isn't a web port, you are going to have to use some hacky workaround or run a Windows VM which can be quite complicated for the uninitiated (and this hasn't even touched on how to bypass VM detection for some apps that do so). What might seem easy to someone, is a hassle to someone else.
@@markojovanovic9651 true. I can never shift to Linux simply because of low availability of industry standard softwares. Like solidworks,Autocad, ArcGis and Watergems etc. Something simple like MS office is also not supported by linux so yeah microsoft got us pretty good.
@@markojovanovic9651 it doesn't need to, it just needs to own enough marketshare that all software developers switch to linux native releases. And we are close to that. It was only a few years ago linux was less than 1% of casual desktop users. Now it's almost 5%, and at 10 you should expect everything shifting to accomodate linux because 10% is a huge amount of lost revenue. Technically far more than 10% of machines are running linux, if you include servers and chromebooks, and yes chromebooks run linux.
@ActionGamerAaron "He says you need to build it in Linux!" firstly, step by step instructions are given on how to compile. that said, i did run into issues when i did that manually tho i succeeded in the end. secondly, on linux distributions like nixos can install it directly. and nix package manager is something you can install on every distro i have nix package manager on kubuntu and i was able to install aseprite through that. nix has an interesting way of installing stuff. nix packages arent all installed the same way. some downloads, some compiles. but at the end of the day, all of it is automated and you only needed to give the install command
The last I checked, many things were just not working... I forget the details... but the interface was a weird size, things wouldn't resize easily... and windows were always way bigger than they should be. Maybe these were old wayland issues or something. I haven't tried on the latest version.
@@teksyndicate Always keep up to date on changes on Linux in general, not just a distro or two you are interested in. The landscape on Linux rn can very well change for the better within a few weeks at this rate so if you aren't 100% ready to switch but still want to, I would at least keep an eye on it
@ActionGamerAaron I made an attempt to build it. Building the dependencies was a pain in the ass, so I noped out and just downloaded the pre-built binary. I have a license so it didn't matter. I didn't want to waste a day or weekend on it when I could just download it.
One more benefit to you being stuck on windows is that you have been able to make a lot of great software tutorials to help the rest of us who are are also stuck on windows for creative software and need some deshitification tips for Windows.
I lightly disagree with the creative software locking you in to Microsoft Windows. While FOSS creative software applications of higher usefulness may be quite rare on Linux, the gaming aspect is even rarer on the systems.
A few things hold Linux back. 1. 100's of distros all trying to do the same thing(be Windows) but so differently they have compatibility issues with each other. (This deters developers from making native Linux apps/games when you need multiple of them for Debian-based, Ubuntu-based, and other distro-based distros that don't work 100% with each other. 2. The community is really, REALLY toxic towards newcomers, beginners, those who want to learn, or those who use a different distro. (This is what drove me away personally. Telling a games dev they "don't know how to code" because they don't want to use sudo commands isn't going to attract us) 3. Compatibility will stay poor until more people get into Linux (See problem 2 for this one) and no one will adopt it if there's no support for it.(see problem 1 for this one) And finally, they tout it as an OS that can run even the oldest, weakest hardware, but we don't want to optimise our games to run on your Core 2 Duo in 2024 even if you use Windows; it's not the win you think it is. This results in extra compatibility issues (see problem 3 for this one) and we don't want to have to waste time dealing with all these extra hurdles.
My target audience is Dreamcast, so I COULD optimise my games to run on a Core 2 Duo, but I'm in a very small minority here, and even then I'd rather not have to go that far for a system with no set spec because then if it runs on your Core 2 Duo, why does their Phenom 2 not run it? (PC architectures are very different from one CPU/GPU vendor to another, whereas consoles are consoles, and every Dreamcast will run every Dreamcast game the same. Also Paintdotnet has no equal on any OS, and relies on the .net framework to function(This is my personal reason for sticking to Windows)
Expanding on point 2. I don't want to use Linux anymore, but don't want to suck up 1-2gb of ram every VM for windows for a homelab server. Every guide out there assumes you have good knowledge of Linux based commands, or understanding to begin with. "yea just run this command and it'll do what you need" "That didn't work? Throws an error or command/package not available" "Install the package then..." "The 5 guides I found tell me to use apt install,but it doesn't work" "You're fucking dumb, use apt-get install. It also needs to be sudo" "Sudo isn't a valid command"... "This distro uses 'su' only, oh and add the user to the sudo group" More googling later...its just been endless, ENDLESS googling and unintuitive nonsense to get the damn OS even running... Need to mount an external nas drive? That's either installing 3 other things, with guides that don't cover remounting on reboot. Or having a stab at fstab. Everything is just soooooo much easier to do in windows...I don't want to configure files to mount my drives so I can see my smb share. Give me a GUI that let's me put a damn IP address in and the OS does the heavy lifting. (There probably is something for this, but god of can I find it amongst the 100's of Terminal/Shell gurus or hotheads)
@@ShuskiCross For real. Another thing they don't tell you is those commands differ depending on the distro. I tried Arch and instead of all the Sudo commands I'd mastered, it used "pacman" and then the commands were altered as well, so I had to re-learn everything and it was ultimately more hassle than it was worth. And having to know the specific package name was a pain. Instead of going to the web and downloading (insert browser here) it was "google-chrome-stable" or "google-chrome-nightly" and while it wasn't hard to do per se, it was definitely more tedious to do, I wound up downloading the appimage files or .deb files online and just using those where I could instead most of the time. Linux was fun for me, but it's definitely not ready for the big stage with Windows and MacOS yet.
I have a low-end Laptop with an iGPU and some old games like Half-Life 2, Portal 1 and 2 (probably any other game that uses DirectX 9-11) run like trash compared to running them on Windows. If we talk about their native versions then Half-Life 2 is the only decent port I've tried, so it's hit or miss too. I like using Linux for everything else though.
For photo editing, it is hard to move away from Adobe, especially the Adobe camera raw engine. Raw image processing is a difficult area of development, which is why it takes so long for new raw process versions to come out. To truly see the power of that development, try revisiting some of your old raw files, with newer algorithms to interpret raw files, you will see massive improvements to how far you can adjust things. Newer versions of the raw engine with very old raw files is able to improve highlight and shadow recovery (the latest engine can get very close to the technical limits of a specific raw file based on the mathematical analysis of raw files. Another area is the color management and processing, newer raw engines are able to handle adjustments in tricky color situations without clipping color channels as easily. Thus extremely good for concert photography.
It's not just audio, video, and music that does not work well. e-learning is a challenge. In the industry, we use programs like Adobe Captivate and Articulate Storyline. There are a couple of candidates that are not quite ready for professional use. Open e-learning is as close to Storyline and Captivate that I could find and given the development cycles of Open e-learning, it would take about two years for them to get caught up to where they need to be. They need to make it easy for the e-learning author to create custom templates for their e-learning. They also do not have a way to import PowerPoint and Impress slides into an e-learning module. These are very common tasks that need to be done. The workflow is slowly improving and am hopeful they can resolve these issues and make their tool a professional-grade e-learning development tool.
Instructional designer here. Keenly feel your pain on this one. Where Linux shines in this industry is in its ability to run local copies of server based e-learning suites. I used to create all kinds of content on this one bit of software called Ilias which is a really nice LMS but also lets you create content on it which is Scorm 2004 compliant. Since I had to set up a lamp stack in order to run this thing, I also used to run copies of Moodle and a few other LMS packages to test what I had created and they worked rather well. Not as pretty as what you can make on articulate though or Captivate.
Request to community: Don't just tell people which operating system a person must use rather it's more of a personal choice. Another thing is experimenting with different operating systems just lets you find your own one and the one you can actually work with. Operating systems are meant to be your assistaint.
This. I will also say to the community that if you feel bad that someone didn't made it to fully switch to the OS you're using and they stayed on their OS, it's none of your business. It's really a personal preference and what works for you might not work for others. Also, other people have less time to learn a new OS than you had when you managed to fully switch to Linux. People that seek help by searching online or looking at forums are the ones that had the time to learn Linux. If they don't, they obviously don't have time and there's nothing you can do about it. It's okay to make them try, but let's not push them if it's really not working for them.
The fact that for almost a decade, almost all desktop users worldwide used just one OS (Windows) for everything, kind of contradicts you. In the 2000s even macOS which was the 2nd most used had a pitiful minuscule market share. And I think that's precisely the problem with Linux desktop adoption by regular users(which is also the blessing for power users). Most ppl except the real few power users don't give a single f about the OS itself. They just want to do their thing in the easiest, shortest, most comfortable way possible. Not by distro hopping which basically means constantly reinstalling their OS, not by following changelogs, kernel releases, foss drama etc.
The biggest problem with WINE is that there's no raw hardware access. So for some piece of hardware to work someone has to create a driver specific to WINE that talks with its Linux driver and the applications inside WINE.
Wow, this video has been coming up in my recommended list for days, I wish I clicked on it sooner. I'm watching this on my Linux daily driver. I do all my gaming on Linux. You make some very valid points here.
I thought I was stuck on windows til I found how to GPU passthrough to a VM and found an app called looking glass.. I won't dare let winblows touch complete bare metal on ANY pc in my house any more
Oh, you please have to tell me more about the GPU passthrough. This is one of the things that are on my agenda to get done. What do you use for virtualisation?
Qemu works very well. I daily drive a similar setup using proxmox. You will need a iGPU or a second graphics card for the host if you still want to use graphics outside of your windows VM
@@leoniscsemthe best way to use virtualization is with qemu/virt-manager imo, then you would need a second gpu for gpu passthrough to work, so if you have an external graphics card and also internal graphics you can configure all of this for the windows vm to have complete and exclusive control of the external gpu and leave the internal graphics to linux, plus linux is better in the virtualization aspect because of kvm, you can investigate further or use chatgpt if you want, but i can assure you it isn't that complex at all, you just need guidance
@@jandramila We are using Proxmox in our business line, but actually are considering to ditch it in favour of native LXD/LXC, since Proxmox in fact also just uses the standards and adds bells and whistles to it. But speaking of Qemu and GPU passthrough, did you just add flags in your KVM config, or do you handle everything through Proxmox config?
I've had to jump through hoops on every distro I've tried to get my sound card working in 5.1 and then I find that even still the games will only output stereo
Yeah Audio drivers have always been very RNG heavy. Thankfully I have no complex setup. So before 22.04 the only issues where the same as under windows but easier to solve, because I could automate the workaround. After that dist upgrade it shockingly just worked.
Creative cards are weird and map 5.1 incorrectly, I figured out how to fix mine based on a post from reddit. Had to tweak pipewire (which is actually pretty straightforward. )
@@slaapliedje yeah I'm using a sound blaster Z and have done a lot of reading like I said I was able to get it working properly but even with digital output the games will still only do stereo
@@qbertguy Huh, I know there are a few games recently (after I managed to get new speakers and have them set up properly in a 5.1 setup correctly for once) that just sound amazing. Valheim was one, if I recall. I'm betting a lot of the output depends on the game. The sad thing is, modern computing has a few things that irritate everyone on all operating systems. Sound is one of them. Oops, the sound is now trying to go out a monitor with no speakers. Oops, the mic in the laptop is active instead of the headset, etc. When you have 6 different sound devices, and each application has separate settings... you can see where it'd go wrong.
That pixel art animation with the shotgun is a homage to Blackthorn. Had a great time playing that ages ago. Brings back great memories of my childhood. :)
Hell yeah! I'm about to hire someone to help with tilemaps (I'll make some too, but I'm also working on the music and dialog)... hopefull we make something out of it!
16:44 I'm kinda sad that 7-zip has no Linux version of its gui (only the CLI compression/decompression tool is available on Linux), so I took matters into my own hands and started recreating 7zFM on Linux, using the official 7-zip under the hood where possible. So maybe if enough people want Foobar2000 on Linux eventually someone will start recreating it.
@@SleepTime-Dark AFAIK it's a SNAP with a semi-broken 7-zip install in WINE inside it. At least I know it's broken, as the context menu in the file list doesn't work (just doesn't appear) and Unicode isn't supported. So my downloads folder, "Hämtningar" becomes "Hämtningar". And it doesn't honour my theme at all, always looking like upscaled Win9x.
Of Foobar, it doesn't have to be open-source. Or rather, it doesn't have to be OSI's interpretation; FB2K dev could use a model based on fair-code and have the _official_ build be theirs, and theirs alone. While FB2K is free and fair-code is a model which helps to financially support developers, in this instance the fair-code model is basically being used for the author to maintain full control of their specific build while people can fork it for use on other systems as their own projects. The premise here is that official, mainline FB2K is never to be touched by anyone else. The OSI + GNU model would require forked code to be attributed by its authors and integrated into the main branch, while this fair-code model would ensure the author doesn't have to touch GNU licensing, but basically release the code as being openly-available under a license that declares the author maintains sole control over the base software, but forks can _do whatever._ While no money is changing hands, the fair-code model would permit the author to restrict who touches the base while ensuring anyone who wants to make additions via forks can do so.
I did not expect such a detailed explanation. I am sorry that we are not there yet, for your use case. But there is one tiny thing that I believe you are mistaken: I use Aseprite and it offers a deb package. You do not have to build it. Also, I have not noticed any issues with it on Linux. It just works. I am also on Debian 12, but on X11 and KDE.
@@teksyndicatehaven't noticed any issues on Wayland with it or its Foss fork however you may run it through xwayland if you do end up encountering some
"I want to go to make things better, not sacrifice" So much truth in that statement. I feel like im sacrificing less now that I found Nobara, but there are still a couple of programs that keep me on windows. I have been able to switch a rig over to Nobara and run a windows VM, but I keep the other rig on windows when I need to do work on a more powerful setup. I think its closer for me than ever before, but there are still a few things keeping on that MS side.
Just wanted to suggest another option. You could get a small micro PC like a Beelink and then a USB switcher for your keyboard, mouse and accessories. I use something like this for messing around with SBCs. As long as your applications don't require a large dedicated GPU, even AMDs iGPUs are very good nowdays. You could have your main PC run linux and have most of your programs/games, then your micro PC run windows with your music production software.
That would probably be ok for most of my music... I'm not sure about the symphonic stuff. The samples are MASSIVE... so I'd want to upgrade it to 64GB of ram... but if I did that, it's a good idea.
@@teksyndicate I recommend Minisforum UM790 or Beelink SER7 Pro, both come with 7940hs/7840hs CPU and have two m.2 slot available. You can slot a double-sided NVMe into one of the slots, but the other is obstructed (SER7 has a wifi card below the SSD), but if you take the wifi card out and connect via Ethernet, you can install two double-sided for up to 16 TB storage. Memory can be upgraded to 48x2 for 96 GB and possibly beyond in the future, however, as things currently are, none exist for laptops. Even on desktop side, outside of R and U DIMM, dual-channel non-ECC DDR is impossible to find. With the single exception of awful, proprietary magnetic connector on SER7 and SER6 pro, I cannot recommend these mini PCs enough. Geekom A8 is also fine but BIOS is pretty locked down. P.S. I recommend Tech Guy Beau, Iceberg Tech and level1tech's review of these machines. I wouldn't recommend anything prior to Meteor Lake on the Intel side, let me tell you that much. And Intel's offerings should be considered only when it's cheaper than the AMD ones (and they're not). If you've been following mobile CPU space and looked at the reviews of recent mobile processors, you should already be familiar with them.
@@teksyndicate I'm on the same boat, most of the hardware on my PC is for audio production (128GB ram, multiple 4-8TB SSD's for orchestral samples), though I do like the idea of just having multiple PCs and using switchers. Another idea I had was either running Windows VM on linux with passthrough (might require more research/config to get it working smoothly as I want) or using Synergy
21:00 Wayland is half-baked because GNOME has a say about what goes into the official protocols and what does not. And because GNOME has an entirely different vision to basically anybody else of what a desktop should do and they don't wand protocols they don't like to implement in the official protocol list they just create a lot of fuss. So on Wayland even seemingly trivial things like letting an application set its own icon seperately on every window is made to look controversial and takes years and years to get everyone on board to finally get it approved. [EDIT]: By the way, even many people who like Wayland are annoyed about they Wayland committee always making a fuss about everything.
Something I've noticed reading these comments, it looks like most of your issues with linux have a potential solution but it seems like the only reason you would ever find out about it is if some rando in the comment section makes you aware of it. You know your way around Linux well enough from what I can tell, but actually finding the various fixes for things you need would be very difficult if you didn't have youtube comments to tell you where/what they are. This is another issue with linux for some people, I just don't want to have to hunt for a solution for a niche problem because of my specific hardware and/or software and hope to stumble on it. Like you, I just want to DO the things I like to do on my computer, not spend a bunch of time setting up and figuring out. I'll give linux a real shot some day, but its gonna need a handful more work to be right for me.
I get the sentiment here, not sure I agree Linux is not for creatives. I ran a studio for years, very dependent on Adobe software. It was hard to leave that, and it required significant changes, but I can't say I regret those changes. I'm quite happy, having adjusted and learned new open-source tools.
Here to chime in with everyone else who wishes they could main Linux but can't. Like you, I'm a creative and some plug-ins don't work as well on Linux or aren't available at all and there's no alternative. And as a gamer, anti-cheat is the obvious problem. But other things too- I'm a Clone Hero/YARG fanatic, but the Riffmaster controller as far as I know has zero support and considering that even the Windows support involves community made driver and input translation, I don't have the intelligence to figure it out. And then dumb little things like NVIDIA support being historically terrible and not being able to afford a whole new AMD card (I have a 3080, it'd be a pretty penny to upgrade). Little things like this that seem small, but are major elements to my personal daily happiness. Currently as I'm writing this I've decided to dual-boot W10 and Endeavour. It's a pain in the ass and inconvenient as hell to switch, but at least it's a solution that's available.
Can't speak for anything else, but I bought an Nvidia card a couple of months ago and the driver seems fine now. I think the "magic" release was version 555.
The good thing about Nvidia drivers is that your card is Ampere and support of everything starting from Turing seems better than usual. The prorietary driver works great, but you can also try the official open-source driver (still in Beta, but you can give it a try). Just don't use nouveau if your card is supported by official drivers. There has been an issue on Wayland with Nvidia cards as the display adapter though, because the driver did not support explicit sync (please don't ask me what this is), but that apparently has changed. So give it a shot, but if you run into issues on Wayland and you don't find a solution, then switch back to X11.
7:50 Yep, being creative has been hard on Linux with just this ONE roadblock - Affinity. I dropped adobe stuff a long time ago, but even the next best alternative I got used to was a hassle to get working. I did recently get it working because of someone's tutorial and a bit of poking around. The performance is basically halved and has some visual bugs, but that hasn't stopped me being excited that I don't need to launch windows anymore
The main reason I'm not using Linux as my main device (I do use it for software development when I need compile and test apps for it), is that Linux is a debloated Windows with subpar compatibility and support. I know that Linux can do 95% of the things, but in those 5% of cases the trouble is not worth a quick and easy debloating and modding of windows. For less advanced users that just need to surf the web, dont care about triple A games in HDR, about adobe programs, anticheat, and similar things, Linux is the perfect choice. Sadly I'm not that kind of user. I use Linux for what it is the best choice: my home server, NAS, transcode station, router, just not the desktop.
Love your music, man. Your channel helped me build my first gaming PC and decide on a mechanical keyboard flavor at 14. It's been ten years. I turn 25 in 6 days. Nitheren is one of my comfort albums and I love all the new stuff. I'm in the process of getting into the field and I'm switching to Linux in the coming days. It's ironic that I turned on my system today and found that it was trying to bully me into installing Windows 11 before I even signed in. While I'm afraid to take the plunge, I know Linux' beautiful community will take far better care of me. Spent a few months in class learning Linux CLI first. I'll have to join up on the forum soon. I have issues getting organized, if I'm honest. You might've sold me on the Zimaboard. I don't quite have the funds right now, but I will probably end up investing the same amount for a worse gateway or a PiHole setup or something. I just love the form factor without all the labor and research of the PiHole.
My problem is the accessibility software. Linux isn't quite there yet, at least as far as I've found. I have a visual disability so the Windows Magnifier and the text to speech that runs alongside of it is almost perfect for my situation. I wish I could find something as useful for linux.
This might be a thing specific to the desktop environment you use. I've heard of a game dev with visual disability getting involved in the space reporting bugs and stuff, and apparently, according to him, KDE Plasma in particular got into a pretty decent state in recent versions.
@@Kris-od3sj I'll have to check into that. My problem is kind of a paradox, I need screen magnification to look into anything I can use in linux. It's not like Windows where on any windows machine since Win7 I can hit the Windows key plus keypad + and start a pretty decent screen magnifier. I dual boot my machine with Win11 and Ubuntu and have the Zoom set up on Ubuntu but I just don't know enough about linux and how to set things up in it to be comfortable yet.
@@kortt I guess you can a listen to a podcast with said developer, where he talks about it. Check out Tech Over Tea podcast, episode 208. He also showed up in the most recent episode, but I haven't seen it myself yet; perhaps he mentions the changes he's made that I've heard of in the news here and there.
The Adobe suite is the biggest pain in the ass, but there are lots of closed source apps that run on linux, just rakes a bit of messing around. A big one that a lot of linux creators use is DaVinci resolve, which works natively. Photo editing software could take some time to research something you could use for your needs, but it definitely exists
You nailed it, people really don't care about the operating system, they care about the software you can use on your pc. Windows has been the mainstay for decades and nobody minded it much, until they started to abuse their userbase (again). But even in that scenario, while people are now interested on Linux more than ever because of their recent moves, they'll go back for sure once they notice that their software, the stuff you _actually_ use on a pc rather than an OS, doesn't work (or requires some tinkering based on commands posted by a guy on reddit, and some stuff doesn't exist anymore in your distro). Things for sure are better in Linux, and I love it, but I get that isn't for everybody.
My main issue with Linux is that there are just more knobs to fiddle with and more stuff that can go wrong and for the most part I just want shit to work honestly...
You just reminded me how good your music is. Every now and again I go on a Zweihander listening spree while working and it's always a blast. Thanks, and please keep making albums!
7:00 - That basically explains my biggest problem with Linux. Usually it requires a lot more work, and I don't want to have to mess around with my OS any more either. Back in 2007, I'd spend all day messing with Compiz just for fun. I didn't mind tweaking Wine settings to get WC3 to work. Stuff like Proton, Lutris, and Bottles have brought gaming a very long way, but the reality is it's still not as simple as Windows, and sometimes it's way more fuss than I want to deal with. Yesterday I spent all day reading documentation and going through three different distros before I finally got WoW to launch. I love the fact that it works, but I hate that it took so long, because from past experience at any time there will be an update that breaks it again. And I don't think I will have the patience to stay on Linux. EDIT: I just realized WoW is capped at 75 FPS, even though I have it set to no cap. So I thought I had it working fine, but normally I'd be running 140+ on Windows. Yet another thing to fix when I could be playing.
Switched to Linux mint 5 months ago, For all the game I played only a few did I have to look up ProtonDB to find out which Proton/Wine to use. All the games work so far, I do not do Multi player online games that have anti cheat. Been able to mod my games using a secondary pc with windows. The problem I have had with linux is, it is not windows. You have to treat linux like learning a new game that does things differently, using that way of thinking has saved me a lot of time and frustration. Learn Virtual Machine so I can switch my wife over to linux she needs Microsoft office to work, the vm should do that easy.
I mean, for WoW all I did was install it through Lutris. Over on CachyOS (Arch-based) the only game I can't play in my library is Destiny 2. Helldivers 2 runs awesome thanks to Glorious Eggroll (check out his custom proton versions). I run Hyprland for DE, GPUs are Intel Arc A310 & A770. I have a VM with passthrough for Office though.
just hitting install is harder then on windows lol ok. opning up the app store i want this app install also very hard i assume. 2007 is long behind us.
@@ElMartilloBlanco any of them using the lutris app. in fact currently playing wow mop remix on fedora 40. can litterly drage the exe into lutris and it sees what it is and grabs the nedded scripts. or just add to you libary with the search feature.
Linux is still mainly for Computer Geeks who don't mind getting into the code mud and doing some command line prose and technical tweaking to get certain things to run correctly. It is not tailored for Grandma Jones who is not technically skilled who just wants to click and go. It is getting better and better all the time and getting closer to a Grandma proof OS with some of the builds and desktop frontends. But is not yet ready for the untechnical masses. The other thing stopping Linux from primetime is like Tek Syndicate says is compatibility with a lot of "Windows only" programs that a lot of people want to use. Sure there are a lot of Linux alternatives to many programs, but not ALL.
Linux doesnt do anything better, rather a lot worse. Than Windows does for literally 90% of the stuff someone can do. Everything that Linux can, you can do on Windows too. So why change, if a change brings a LOT of issues and disadvantages. Each time I install some Linux distro to check out whats going on. It feels like I am falling back 10 years in OS development. It cannot do anyhting better for normal and even advanced users. The only good thing about about Linux is, it is "safer" and less bloated and it is very strong on servers and embbeded systems. So very niche and specific usecases. Not for normal daily usage and work.
I was a hardcore Winamp user from Win95 through Win7 (that's when I jumped ship to Linux). Took me actual years to find a replacement I was happy with. There's a handful of Winamp imitations, but I finally settled for "deadbeef". Aside from the name, I'm very pleased with it.
Foobar does too much in one large program. That is the opposite of Unix philosophy. Everything foobar does can be done on Linux, it just takes multiple programs. I like that, I understand why non-technical people do not like it.
@@dominicdit What is "too much" in this case? Supporting multiple formats isn't exactly "too much" in my book. In fact, it's pretty darn nice to have a unified front end for a multitude of "format back ends". But maybe you have a different gripe; I'm not too versed in Foobar myself.
Is there are a reason go to with straight Debian rather than Ubuntu? Using Ubuntu Studio, since I didn't have to bother installing many media apps. Plus I didn't know many of those apps existed.
@@potato9832 for my personal preference, i feel that Debian as the more pure distro and that it has more stable experience. i feel it's less bloated than other Debian-based distros.
I'm a film student who needs to edit videos very regularly, and I also make music in FL as a hobby. I also despise Windows. I used to use the Adobe suite but I cancelled my subscription and deleted my account after the TOS change controversy, so I'm on DaVinci Resolve instead of Premiere now, and even though there's DaVinci builds for Linux, it's not super straight forward to get it set up as they're meant for RHEL based distros, and I use an Arch based distro. I got it working through distrobox, but I don't feel confident in the reliability of that setup. As for FL, I got it working through Bottles (WINE frontend), but again, it's not a great workaround. So what I've settled on is a dual boot setup, on two separate drives so that Windows updates don't break GRUB (linux bootloader), and then a VM on the Linux install with the Windows SSD passed through for storage. That way I can use Linux 99% of the time, as I much prefer the experience, and I can reboot into Windows if I wanna edit videos, make music, or do something that isn't supported on Linux. If I wanna update Windows but use my PC at the same time, or if I wanna do something in Windows that isn't as demanding as video editing or music creation, I can boot up the VM and mess about while still being booted into Linux. My Windows install also isn't a consumer build of Win10 or 11, it's Win10 LTSC, an enterprise edition of Win10 that will recieve security updates well past consumer Win10's end of life, and has much less bloatware and background telemetry on a fresh install.
As a full time Linux user; Linux still has a long way to go. But most importantly, the Linux community still has a long way to go. Linux distros have traditionally been for tinkerers, and it shows. If Linux is to ever become popular it needs to be convenient to use for those who don't consider operating systems a lifestyle. Only then we'll see commercial software natively supported on Linux in any significant capacity.
@@PropaneWP Mind giving me examples of what you need to tinker with then? Unless you insist not using alternatives and try to force windows specific software - there is no reason to tinker.
Probably gonna get flack, but I moved to MacOS in 2012 and never looked back. Since then I had a Mac Mini, iMac and now a Macbook Pro. I'm a graphic designer/artist working in Clip Studio Paint and it has met my needs and never had issues. It's a tightly controlled OS by Apple, sure, but for getting work done, it's a dream system. Retro games all work well via OpenEmu, and I even have a working Switch emulator which only fails if the game is too new and the devs haven't updated it yet. When it comes to Steam games, I use something called CrossOver which seems to work well, but not perfectly. I think with time it will improve. But I'm not a PC gamer anyhoo so for me it's not much of factor. If you're heavily invested into Steam then yeah I don't think I'd recommend MacOS. But for getting work done, any day of the week. And you can just go with the Mac Mini and it will serve well for years. You don't need to shell out so much money.
Ios and mac osx feels very clunky to me, but I can see how the usual customer would find it intuitive even, its just not for me, its too "do it the official way or you simply cant" sorta thing
I think many people are over locking the major issue. Many of the problem with Windows 11 deals with being connected to the internet. If you can use all your programs that you work on without the internet, than you don't need to change. You can use a Linux for the web and a Windows for working.
@ActionGamerAaron It really depends on what you are doing. If yo are like me and don't need internet to run any of my programs, then I can stay on Wind10 and just disconnect from the net. Use another computer like a Linux one, to handle going online for things like email, shopping and such.
@@loyaltabk I am stick with 10 as well and will be looking in the different options for online security. I have been want to play around with Linux and do have a few old PCs.
@@loyaltabk I need to get around to trying it. I do have a Raspberry Pi running Raspbian, but that is for a digital picture frame. I need to go pull that old Dell board out of storage and see what I need to do to get it up and running Linux. But i am not ready to do it because I would want to record it for a video and I have six I am working on right now with two more I want to record real quickly.
I finally switched to Linux several years ago now when I started having the mentality that... "If I can't get it to work on Linux, then it does not exist." You can't expect Windows or Linux for that matter to change because of the reasons you have. Windows won't change because they know you will never leave. Linux won't get better in the way you want it to get better because you are not using it. Simple as that. I can't even count how many bugs I helped to solve or how many features I have requested get added to Linux things and projects... because I am actually using it, making the bug reports, requesting the features, using the software, and actually interacting with the community. Linux is a community project. If you are not part of it, actually using it, then it will not get better. But by all means, many TH-camrs make a decent living of the constant up hill battle on debloating windows. I mean honestly it is endless content.
Mad respect to you man. Watched you in the early days and you taught me a lot. I've used Windows since the DOS3.X days. But I started with System 7 Macintosh Apple. So Unix. For more than ten years I've been removing Microsoft applications and gone open source. I fully agree with you all the games I play I mod. I also use video editing. Nobara ( based on Fedora) is my only recommendation for easy Davinci resolve installs. It might be time to do a Dual boot install with the best windows and distro together with a focus on how to transfer files easily to each folders. That pixel art is amazing!
That's the main thing many linux users have never fully understood. All the issues you listed are really fundamentally about application support. You have certain types of applications that are the reason why you are using a computer. Every person and industry also has a set of applications that they need, and it's all on windows. If you're a dentist then you need your PMS and xray software. A machine shop often needs special software for configuring those machines. Yes, many applications have been moving to cloud services, but every client I work with today still has things that take linux totally off the table. It doesn't matter how many times the linux desktop is reimagined or how polished it is, or how user friendly it becomes if the software you need to run doesn't run. Steam made this more clear to some at least, considering the number of linux desktop users doubled in the last couple years for that reason alone. Ultimately the year of the linux desktop is when a distro can ship with better than 100% windows compatibility and commercially support that claim. Everything else is secondary, ease of use has *never* actually been the issue.
I don't see many people telling random dentists offices to drop Windows, because there's still obvious use cases where that may still be necessary, specifically legacy applications. But for your average user that doesn't do a lot of specific use cases out of their computer, maybe they would be better off considering instead of endlessly complaining about Windows becoming enshittified (The cycle of Windows users saying the latest one is the worst one ever, just for the next one to drop and for them to say the previous one was "better"). For your average schmuck that only browses the web and watches videos, you'd ironically give them a better time with a Chromebook, iPad, or an Android device rather than Windows, especially if they don't have an adblock and keep clicking random crap that gives them malware. Yes, for specific use cases, that may be the case, but that also doesn't apply to a fair chunk of people.
It's impossible to make it 100% windows compatible unless you get windows source code somewhere. Thus windows is in better position because it can emulate linux just fine with wsl, or just recompile open-source software like Thunderbird or GIMP for windows.
WSL is just a linux virtual machine with some fancy integration. Regardless of how hard it is it's what needs to happen. It's not impossible. Though hardly a fair comparison, think about all the console emulators out there that are actually better than the original systems thanks to the features and ease of use they add around the core ability to run the games.
@@SergeyVolkov Even if you get it, you cant look at it or you'll get sued. Windows source code has already been leaked, but none of the people who develop wine are ever allowed to look at it.
@@entelin What you need is for everyone who doesn't need any Windows exclusives to switch to Linux. That alone would create such a huge shift in marketshare that Linux will become a prime target for app developers.
Thank you Logan for giving Linux an honest shot. I hope you'll give it another try a few years later, with the knowledge you've gathered it should be simpler and take less time. Debian 12 is great for stability but for stuff like Wayland you may want the latest systems packages because this stuff is still seeing rapid development and lots of bugfixing every day. I think linux would advance much quicker if it had more feedback and support from creative people but as has been tradition, the analytical and tinkerers crowd is overrepresented and so the discussions skew naturally towards that end.
I've been looking a lot at Manjaro, openSUSE, and Fedora this week... so I might switch to one of those on my laptop, because I'm getting really frustrated with a few programs that are giving me hell.
@@teksyndicateManjaro is, unfortunately, run by somewhat irresponsible people, and there's been some major problems with it in the past. It's not something I can really recommend. Fedora, meanwhile, is more or less what I use, but to be honest, you're going to run into media codec issues right away because of legal reasons, and the fixes can take a fair bit of work. I'm personally on Nobara, which is fedora based and handles that stuff automatically, but is also a smaller community which means you can't really rely on Google for support. Heard good things about OpenSuse, but I've never actually used it myself. I wish I could just say to use Mint because it's by far the easiest but they're still on pulseaudio, and since you've got so much music stuff going on you'll really benefit from something that uses Pipewire for audio. A problem I have with Linux distros right now is that even though you've got a million choices each and every one of them seems to have a caveat somewhere.
@@teksyndicate Give CachyOS and Nobara a look. I'd advise against Manjaro, as the devs are bad to forget to renew their certs every couple months and it's annoying.
@@teksyndicate I've been watching too much Linux stuff, so just passing the collected info along, openSUSE and Nobara (based on Fedora but with focus on content creation and gaming working out of the box, with custom patches) sound good. Manjaro has issues. For an Arch-based distro, EndeavorOS or Garuda are more recommended.
I only play about 4 games regularly. 3 of them are completely borked on linux. Here's a curveball even: they're not online multiplayer games. But other than that, yeah, games usually do work.
@@mr.dingleberry4882 home versions of beatmania IIDX, sound voltex and DDR. Some fellas of mine even own an offline Rootage cabinet, and that one doesn't work either. DJMax Respect V and EZ2ON work though, but those needed quite a bit of tweaks and troubleshooting to work on linux, which is fun.
Great breakdown. I'm in a similar awkward poweruser spot (though much less skilled). I'm sure 90% of my workflow ports to linux in some way, but the last 10% just doesn't, and of the "some way" for the previous 90%, it comes at some serious costs. There's just the initial context switching, which kinda sucks, even though I've gotten used to that over the years, but then there's allll the little sacrifices you get to make. At one point in time I used Excel seriously for my career, and not just the few features that everyone uses, but some of the heavy lifting stuff. Libre office calc, at least at that time, wasn't even close. I'm sure some of it was teething issues on my end (again context switching), but there were just functionalities that Excel was miles ahead of at the time. And that's before you get to the simple fact that your office environment is accepting xlsx only. Sure I could dual boot or whatever, but there's LOTS of these little edge cases. If you want to stream, browse the web, and play some games, linux is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was. The professional (obviously outside of areas like servers) and hobby landscape though almost always runs into a boatload of issues. And you 100% nailed the 'i want the OS out of my way' attitude. I program for a living and while i'm ass at it compared to many, I at least know how to handle debugging, testing, digging into repo issue lists, and so on. Everytime I try to switch to linux it reminds me of those windows 98-00 days where "oops yeah you got this card and this game it maybe it should work but something isn't so now you're hunting and maybe you'll find that forum post explaining your unique issue and...." I don't miss that, like at all. Linux, unfortunately, walks into those weeds way more than just running Windows or Mac these days. It's fine if you're super comfortable in the environment and like doing that sort of thing, but I really don't want to have to do the internet Easter egg hunt because oops that one thing I wanted to tinker with isn't really quite compatible.
To be honest, I think this story is applicable for computing in general. I worked with a team that refurbished hundreds of PC's from 2012-2017, and sometimes driver issues would come up where I had to go on an adventure to find that one forum post with the answer or the elusive link.
For my part the thing that finally facilitated a nearly 100% switch was giving up on bare metal. VMs with passthrough and drive images on a genuinely fast SSD ended up making the unavoidable fuss a lot less painful (with the hypervisor to drop back to when SHTF) and functionality equivalent to dual booting but with even less interference between each other than having physically independent drives.
I think VMs are a big thing for it, but it does take some serious setting up that might beyond what a lot of people are likely to be doing. For some of it it seems like you need some slightly more expensive hardware, for the motherboard specifically and possibly making sure to have integrated graphics +GPU, or a second graphics card. Otherwise idk if it can work but it'd probably be a lot harder. But that's what I'm aiming for for those special cases. VM to run stuff in a way that it looks like a normal window in the OS, that just happens to be in a VM. I still think there's difficulty when it needs to communicate with other programs outside the VM though, which could take hacky workarounds (if doable).
@@Aeroxima You can have shared clipboard (2-directional) and shared folders. Also VM's IP address is accessible. USB devices can be linked directly to a VM, including crypto keys. Basic 3D acceleration works just good enough to run 3D modelling software, and it doesn't require a second GPU. Though if you want full-speed 3D, you have to install a dedicated GPU for that. So most complaints like "cant run winword, cant run photoshop, cant run visual studio" are covered just fine, in cost of extra RAM while the VM is running. Still, competitive gamers have to dual boot.
@@SergeyVolkov Something more specific in my case is running Unity for gamedev. There aren't a lot of code editors that support it well, it's mostly Rider (paid, no longer free for early access), VSCode, and visual studio. (Maybe some others with plugins and extra work.) If I run visual studio in a VM, I'm not sure how that would work with Unity unless it was also in the VM. I'm still not sure how to set this up yet, I haven't looked into it deeply. I might end up just using VSCode in native Linux, but even in Windows I have problems with it (minor ones but still). I mostly just care about it having proper intellisense (or whatever it's called), for Unity objects. But debugging might be good later in too.
I can list you a full suite of linux creative application. Gimp: Photo editing (don't complain about gimp's ui. If you learned photoshop before gimp, gimp's ui will obviously feel counter intuitive)(if you learned gimp first, photoshop's ui would look weird. Gimp's ui is not great but if you learn to use it, it is almost as powerful as photoshop. You could also add plugins) Darktable(alternative to lightroom)(even more powerful) Kdenlive (alternative to premiere pro)(lacks premade template and need some plugins for ultra advanced features) Blender (3d graphics and vfx)(industry standard) FreeCAD ( free CAD software) Natron (aftereffects alternative) Inkscape (illustrator alternative) OBS studio (Broadcasting software) Ardour (advanced audio editing) Audacity (audio editing) There are like more but I am lazy to mention. Reply if you need an alternative to something else. All of these are fully free to use and modify and even redistribute.
On modding - if you have done it once you remember how to do it forever. You mention widescreen patches as an example. In 99.9% of the cases it's as simple as setting a dll override via WINEDLLOVERRIDES env variable to use the native version. By default wine tries to use builtin dlls for better compatibility with their environment and that's why some of them aren't loaded without explicitly specifying the override.
I don't think you have the right to call Wayland "half-baked for 15 years" when it's run on Debian. For them it's couple of years less. I will accept "half-baked for 10 years".
@teklynkvideos No, that is not correct. Is the existence of WINE and Proton the proof that Linux is not ready and Windows is better? XWayland exist because Wayland and X11 are not the same thing. They do not work in the same way, thus a compability layer is needed for old Software that does not support Wayland.
@teklynkvideos I can give you a short answer, but I recomend that you consult other sources that can give you a more complete answer (DJWare has a good video about it). From my point of view, the two main issues that Wayland tackles are they way X11 protocol is structure and the sheer size of X11 that makes it very difficult to mantain at this point. Related to the first point are the security issues (any program connected to X11 can get the keystrokes or other input values) and the latency (mean for servers, so there is a lot of overhead and unnecesary interactions for modern desktop). Related to the second one we have the lack of modern features like HDR (there is one for wayland by Valve). There are other issues with X11 like the fact that there is no real multi-monitor support and if you have monitors with different refresh rate you are limited to the lower one. Wayland may not be ready for everyone yet and some development may be slower than it should, but it is for now the only path forward of the linux desktop, since X11 would not be supported or developt anymore (at least, that seems to be the case).
@teklynkvideos I can give you a short answer, but I recommend that you check other sources (DJ Ware has a nice video about it). In my opinion, Wayland is trying to solve two main issues with X11. The first one is the structure. X11 was built when most of the processing took place in a server or mainframe that you connected to using terminals. Because of this, there is a lot of overhead and communication between processes that is not needed in a modern desktop environment. The second one is the sheer size of X11, which makes it very difficult to maintain. I believe the rest of the problems that X11 has are derived from these two. Like the lack of security (in X11, all programs can get the values from input devices even if you are interacting with a different application), latency, lack of modern features like HDR (there is an implementation for Wayland), or no real multimonitor support (X11 kind of hacks is way around it, which results in limitations like only being able to use the lower refresh rate of all the monitors). Wayland may not be ready for everyone yet, and the development might be slower than it should in some areas, but for now, it is the only path forward for the Linux desktop since X11 is not going to be supported aside from security patches.
Musician here. The same goes for my reason to switch over to Linux 100%. All of my premium plugins don't work. I'm more in the progressive metal area and all of my paid-for amp simulators, drum libraries, etc, don't work or barely at all. Examples would be Neural DSP's library, most of the Kontakt libraries I use like GetGoodDrums, etc. And I'm also someone that uses Reaper! Surprisingly the native version of Reaper is worse than running the Windows version through Wine.
Windows is garbage and Im trying to transition too. What annoys me is that thes linux distros dont focus much on the new user experience. If they want mass adoption, the devs need to realize this.
Not related to the video content, but I love that you have the Lego Spyrius Robo-Guardian on your desk. That was one of my first big Lego gifts I got when I was a kid. I still have that set (and many others from that era).
As a gamer, the ONLY thing keeping me on Windows is VR. I know about ALVR and tried it but either because of my Wifi or maybe its my Quest 3...linux and my headset do not like each other. Outside of that, I'm so happy to mostly be a Linux user now.
@@Sebastian-bo7vj doesn't matter with a Quest headset. They don't have any video port at all. When you use a cable, it just sends the compressed image same as when you do it wirelessly. It just does it more reliably (depending on the cable)
Exact same situation, but with the quest 2. Haven't had success with streaming to the headset over wifi using linux yet. Would keep trying but at some point its like how much time in the day is there? Pros and cons. But for absolutely everything else I do, linux is a perfect system for me. But I just don't wanna give up the vr hahaha. Something awesome about laying in bed with a headset on, screen "floating" above you with your favorite game on it, without an annoying ass tether etc. I use Chris Titus' winutil script to take out some of the most annoying things about windows etc. but it still sucks having to use garbage.
Saying "profiting bad" grossly over simplifies what's actually happened here as there are plenty of profitable companies that treat their customers very well. But especially in Microsoft and Google's case, they're primarily driven by power and control at this point, which you can never get enough of. They see the population as numbers and statistics, which is the endgame of all the "ism's"
Bro, Rock On! Nice to have in the Linux community. I do agree with the blockers you've mentioned and they are all valid. I do hope the music production side in Linux will get to a place where software dev, os tweaking, and gaming (almost) is right now. Using Windows as the OS is quite the pain point, but once, as you've said, all your tools are launched you are in the application layer and no longer interacting with the OS layer. Thanks for trying and I hope you'll bestow us with more of these informative feedback in the future. Glad to know that some of the things that work for you, you *have* given them your all and tried to make them work.
"Most people don't use a computer for an operating system, they use it for the applications." So perfectly describes the disconnect between Linux fanatics and regular people. Linbro: all you need to do is X, Y, and Z. Then try A, maybe X again, and also throw away your $800 Nvidia card and buy an inferior AMD GPU with fewer features, then linux will run great! Normie: OK. That sounds like a pain, but I think I can manage that. After I get through all that, how do I get photoshop running? Linbro: You don't! Normie: Oh.... Ok, so then why should I fuck around with Linux, again? Linbro: BECAUSE FOSS, DRM, PROPRIETARY EVIL, M$ = SHITTY, GNU, SUDO, FREEDOM, LIBRE, PRIVACY- Normie: OK, but how am I supposed to do my job? Linbro: Use this FOSS alternative that does not even come anywhere close to having the feature parity, compatibility, documentation, available extensions, UI, UX, stability, or developer support as the thing you're replacing! Normie: But I collaborate with a bunch of other people, I need to be able to work in the same ecosystem. Linbro: PURGE THE UNBELIEVERS FROM YOUR LIFE! QUIT YOUR FOUL WINDOWS-ENSLAVED JOB, DIVORCE YOUR WIFE AND HER CURSED IMAC, AND JOIN US IN THE PROMISED LAND! Normie: */has disconnected*
I've been wanting to switch to Linux recently, but I also need to use Adobe software for work, and Ableton for music. It really sucks that these companies are not releasing Linux versions, it feels like you're being kept hostage in windows.
One common way around this is to use Linux as your daily driver and have Windows available in a VM. Mac users used to do this too (before more software was ported to the Mac).
By setting up a Windows VM with sufficient resources to use Adobe Premier Pro. If you're using Linux and want advice about setting up a VM for this purpose just let me know.
I've been saying this for decades. Unfortunately the Linux fanatics ALWAYS say that I'm not trying hard enough or too demanding. They turned me off of Linux completely, to the point of not even wanting to consider it any longer.
Linux is great if you are doing a few dedicated things like data science etc. I love Linux and I have been using it for data processing, computer vision etc for 15+ years. I still just get happy booting it up every time. But when you do "creatives" you end up hosed so fast its not even fun. Even software that runs natively like Blender is just so much more weird and twitchy and buggy and you end up pissing away sooo much time trying to solve all the issues. And don't even start trying to run WINE etc, it's just not worth the time. I have a windows partition and a MacBook Pro that solve all the issues when I need to rum Blender, Davinci, Affinity, FL Studio, etc. Tinkering with Linux to get all these things running is just not worth the time unless you enjoy the process of course.
I've been thinking of swapping to Linux lately, but after watching this and discovering foobar you've convinced me to stay on windows. I've used itunes for years because it was the only thing I knew about that let me search just from looking at album art which is what I'm used to since I still have an old Ipod classic. Seems that feature is in foobar so I'm going to have to swap over to that soon. I'll check out your playlist for it.
You CAN use Linux, but you need to learn a little more. I have two solutions for you, one of which I personally implement and is much easier to use, and one of which is more seamless and smooth, but also more costly. Here are your solutions: 1. Dual-boot Linux. This is what I do. It is not very expensive, especially if you have the free space on a hard drive already. Either use free space on an existing hard drive, preferably an SSD, or use a new hard drive. Get Balena etcher or Rufus (or ventoy if you're a distro hopper) and install an easy distro like Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Mint. Pros: Easy to do, relatively inexpensive Cons: When you need to switch operating systems, you will need to reboot 2. Virtualization - specifically, KVM/Qemu. It is free, you just need to make sure Virtualization and IOMMU are enabled in your motherboard settings. Then, you'd install kvm/qemu, and virtualize Windows through it. You can either do Single GPU passthrough with hook scripts (very difficult), or you can do dual-GPUs and pass through one of them (easy, but costly). If you do that, you will only have about 1-3% performance decrease at maximum when you have it all set up right. Pros: You don't need to reboot to switch operating systems. You only need to launch an app called "Virtual Machine Manager" (the app name for KVM/Qemu) and launch Windows through it. Once done with windows, you simply shut it down in VMM. Cons: Harder to set up than dual booting. A few tips: -Don't worry about distros. Try as many as you like, but pick the one you are most comfortable with. I liked Kubuntu in the beginning. Now I run Arch linux. -I highly recommend trying dual booting first. It is much easier. -Only use Windows when you need it for those apps. Do not browse the web or play any game on Windows that you can play on Linux. -Do not be afraid of Linux, it is not complicated, it is just new.
Dual boot is a good approach. I try to shut off as many units needed bios options as possible so using a virtual machine won't work for me. Right now my issue with linux is that there are just so many of these little issues that appear between each application or game when using Linux. Scaling, stuttering, audio. It feels random between each program I use. Windows is still the most compatible in the long run. I think steamOS may lead the way to forcing better future compatability but i rarely boot into Linux any more.
> -Don't worry about distros. Try as many as you like, but pick the one you are most comfortable with. I liked Kubuntu in the beginning. Now I run Arch linux. This can never be understated. Soooo many people seem to get stuck on "yeah but there are so many versions, what should I use?" They're all pretty much the same. Literally just use Ubuntu or Mint unless there's a compelling reason for you not to (I've heard complaints about Ubuntu and privacy, maybe?) Arch is great but it's a pain to initially install, but newbies want to go to it because "it's the best/most l33t one". I use ubuntu at work and arch at home, and honestly, it's the same core experience. Just arch is more annoying to set up. Just install Ubuntu and pick the desktop environment that looks prettiest to you. @dangdudedan8756: you asked "why use Linux for things that work on both". Reason is because you should optimize linux above windows as it respects your privacy more, and also to get more used to Linux over time. I would *definitely* use only linux for web browsing.
I'll try KDE. The last time I tried was gnome (on my main PC) and I prefer KDE I think... I run a weird setup. From left to right: Vertical monitor 1200x1920, main display 3840x1600, right monitor 2560x1600, side CRT 1280x960. I turn my chair when I want to use the CRT... it's on a side table with usb hub that's connected to a second mouse and keyboard. Works great for old games.
And does it remember the size AND position of the last time the window for an application is used? I have three monitors and routinely run six or more applications in certain positions and sizes. This works fine for Windows 10. I don't want to lose this feature.
Linux is really trying my patience right now 😡 I do not want to use to use Windows for just one program, but at the same time I've borked my Linux install 3 times in a week, twice completely borked to a point I lost the hard drive and everything went corrupted 🤦 Fedora won't load now, Bluetooth just broke for some odd reason on the main install, and file management is becoming unmanageable with these super slow tranfer soeeds. I'm trying to transfer GB and its moving single digit MB 😡 come on already. Simple things are broken out of the box here quite a lot too. Everything I have to modify something to make it work, some even require I write a script, like no, just fkn work already 🙄
This is my main issue with Linux. Most software doesn't work unless you do a notable portion of the work that the developers should have done. One capable developer spending a few hours to fix basic functionality would save who knows how many people hours of browsing random forums trying to fix what the devs are too lazy to fix.
FL Studio looks a lot like LMMS. Would you be willing to do a comparison video of the two? It might be helpful to the LMMS developers if they knew what users need. Maybe some of those plugins could be cloned, too.
I switched to linux, I enjoy it but I do have things that frustrate me. I'm trying to learn my ways around them. I was hugely into modding skyrim, oblivion, morrowind, etc... now I can get things like MO2 to work in Linux but I hate having to jump through so many hoops just to get things to "just work" Like I said it's not to bash linux, it's just a lot of learning and work arounds.
This . VM with GPU pass through. You say it like its a first nature to do. Unless it has become easier to do, most of these solutions require at least 2 GPUs last I checked.
@@Theehannle It seems integrated graphics count, so pretty much any AM5 CPU comes with it. Might need the motherboard to support it too, idk if some don't
So I dual booted for a while, but I used Windows less and less. On 7 this was fine, but on 10 it started freaking out (running really slowly even after all updates) requiring a clean install when I only used it once every 6 months. One thing that drove me into Linux was how much more modular everything was with core components being swappable to your liking without installing a new OS, and while I don't claim to be an expert another thing that drove me in is that every thing is open source. At first I used to this to compile depericared software I still used from source, but lately I've been getting more bold and modifying things before compiling. Like recently I download FSV (a clone of the real 3D file manager featured in Jurassic park), but out of the box it didn't support double clicking to open files so I looked at the source code and patched it in. As for gaming and mods my only issues I've had is some new mods have install scripts that are tricky to use with wine, but dragging and dropping files work fine (even widescreen ones) and some devs not request proton support for the anti cheat (battleye and easy anti cheat run in proton if the dev sends an email requesting it), this works by battleye/easy anti cheat actually have a native linux builds and proton redirects the calls to those. For the creative part I don't pretend to be creative, but there is fair bit of plugins for the opensource music software. Just might require digging around. I personally have no trouble with multi monitor support on Debian 12 for the most part (cave story+ gets confused and tries to extend across all monitors unless I set it to window mode in the graphics settings and have IceWM externally fullscreen it with alt-F11), but I have an Nvidia card and last time I did a clean install it switched me to x11 when I installed the real Nvidia drivers.
While I don't entirely agree with every argument here, I do agree that it does not make sense for a lot, dare I say most, people to switch. I daily drive Linux on everything, I have taken the time to find all of my alternatives and build enough understanding to have a stable and working system. I don't see that as any different from Windows. Someone who is comfortable with Windows has already figured out working around it's quirks and troubleshooting it's stability problems to the point where it's second nature. Moving to Linux means restarting often decades of work on that front with no real gain on the otherside from a usability or productivity stand point for the average person. I think the biggest issue with Linux is that it CAN be better and more performant at everything individualy. But when you try to balance out the table so that it performs good across the board as a generalized system, you run into issues. It CAN process audio significanly faster than Windows *with an optimized kernel*. It CAN run games at higher framerates and less stutter with the right software and *a different kernel*. But that's just it, what if you want to process audio faster and game faster? Not an option (I'm oversimplifying significantly) We're making really big strides in recent years to improve that situation just as we always have. Linux is becoming a daily driver for a very large portion of our youth in the form of Chromebooks (unfortunately). That may see a small shift, but at the end of the day when you go to the store and ask the sales person to help you find a laptop, they're going to bring you to a Mac. Where you will promptly turn it down for the price tag and then they'll bring over a Windows PC. Asking someone to switch to Linux is like asking a Coke enjoyer to switch over to Pepsi. Why would they when they like Coke, it's readily available, and it's what McDonalds offers? Everyone knows what the Windows button is, no one knows what a Super key is.
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As someone who has gone 100% Linux for years now it's useful to see what is holding others back. These are legitimate reasons. They luckily don't apply much to me since I'm a developer and gamer who doesn't mod much outside of Minecraft (which works great on Linux). Easy to forget how much more computing there is than the parts I use.
For me it's 4K Netflix streaming and Dolby Vision and Atmos.
Luckily I switched most Apps years ago like from MSOffice to LibreOffice and so on. But the Media Quality is a big no go for me since I stream daily to my TV.
Playing MC via Prism Launcher right now, and it just works. BUT - with MC 1.20.5 java 21 is required and being on a Debian flavored distro (MX) I'm stuck with java 17 for now - I suppose I could upgrade if I really wanted, but the point of Debian is literally not to rock the boat.
Developers don't count when going to linux because the system was made for developers.
@@MaisistkeinGemueseDo you stream your desktop to the TV or is it an older tv with a PC attached as a media box?
Everyone uses their PC their own way and have their own reasons. After I started using Linux I have noticed that many people seem to think that there's no downsides whatsoever about Linux. And when I bring up inconvient things they attack me with all they got
16:12 That's the problem. The devs are waiting for people to move to Linux and the people are waiting for the devs to make their stuff work on Linux. But until someone makes the first move everyone is just stuck waiting forever.
there is nothing wrong with using windows, for some applications. why you need a full switch either way linux or windows? my part is gaming, but i use 2 different operating systems, hell yeah its even easiert with 2 pcs.
@@BlacKi-nd4uy There's a thing going wrong in Windows if Microsoft continues in their current trajectory, and this also endangers creators, because in the future you have unreliable operating system where your data is not safe on any partition you use to work on the OS. Another problem that everyone suffers from in current situation, and also has been bothering many folks before, is that with Windows you have corporate middleman there on your hardware all the time. It costs money, and gives little in return. Problem is that Windows itself doesn't really do anything that other operating systems can't do, it's just all the third party software dependencies that lock people to this costly OS. This is unnecessary.
@@BlacKi-nd4uy
Well, maybe for "normal" people there's nothing wrong with that, but there certainly is for me. I cannot do anything productive on Window$.
chicken and the egg problem
@@jarivuorinen3878 That's why you use Windows for just the things you need, and without it being online, then switch to Linux if you need to do most any other work including online stuff.
It really really sucks hearing how many people say the biggest issue switching to Linux is software. It all comes down to companies being expected to be exploitative and limiting to make as much profit as possible, not convenient or supportive. Why would adobe ever want to support Linux? They don't need to at all, they're making plenty of money on their locked in platforms, so why would they put in all that effort to support an open and free operating system that they can't entirely lock down? I just find it disgusting that the industry standard is to be as exploitative as possible.
Honestly (I should have gone into this more, but my audio section was too long already), even if FL studio and all my audio plugins natively worked on linux, it would be hard to move away from Windows (or MacOS)... The audio situation on Linux is average at best... Latency is almost always better on Windows and changing buffers and such isn't always easy on linux.
just stop supporting abode. way better stoftwhere out there.
That's just how capitalism will always be, yea it sucks but the alternatives also suck, unfortunately perfection is a paradox, an impossibility, so this means every system will be exploitable in some way (just as any security expert) and the people to rise to the top of that system will be the ones willing to exploit it the most
@@teksyndicate dunno what sound card you are running but i never have a problem with sound settings.
@@teksyndicateI've heard of people getting less audio latency by working directly with ALSA instead of going through pulseaudio or pipewire, that might improve things for you
I completely agree with this video. I've tried numerous times to switch to Linux. I love it so much. Unfortunately every time I try to do something new I find that I've got to tweak the system too much to get it to work. I usually end up breaking the system and having to start over. So frustrating.
try again, install timeshift and keep snapshots every day. If you ever tweak or update and break you can just use timeshift to fix the packages as they were before. If you use arch it's possible to break a system so hard or it breaks itself timeshift isn't enough, but on any other distro it will save you 99.9% of the time.
@@escapetherace1943i use arch btw
But... Morrowind and OpenMW mods work on Linux, even the script-based ones, when using Proton/Wine.
Yeah.
Modding on Linux is the EXACT same thing as it is on Windows.
I literally play RimWorld (windows game) and to mod it, you literally drop the mods in the mod folder.
And I'm sure it is the same for DLL.
If the game runs ,then it would recognize the DLL the same
I have script mods for the Sims 4. I've never had a problem with these.
I also play the Sims 2. A game that runs poorly on modern windows installments. (Sadly with this one, since I sandbox wine with user namespaces i have to install the media in the sandbox, not with the system wine thingy, because it writes specific registry code that makes running it sandboxed with a native install impossible. But that's about it.)
@@CodexSan it's almost the same, but not 100%. I recently had issues with RE4 tweaks and Silent Hill 3 camera mod, both dll mods. Had to tweak file names for them to even be recognized, and I think RE4 tweaks makes the game not load save files sometimes and I have to restart. Elden Ring mods, like Reforged, need special tweaks too (Reforged was adapted by the author, was not playable until some proton update).
I've never had a mod for an Elder Scrolls game or Factorio fail to work because I was on Linux. Some mods make a poorly-coded game (say; Oblivion) run even worse, but that's not Linux's fault.
@@xviii5780 You shouldn't need to. Just add the dll's to the command line:
WINEDLLOVERRIDES="nameofthedll.dll,nameofanotherone.dll=n,b" %command%
@@CodexSan half the programs he whined about in this video run in linux natively, like davinci. Idk what Tek is doing but it's certainly tweaking on something and it isn't Linux, I use it daily and rarely tweak it, about as much as windows, and I run arch...
proton is part of the wine project. valve said hey lets help make wine better.
Except proton just works while wine sucks most of the time
@@Anankin12 You don't know what you are talking about, obviously
@@maximecyclochard6912 wine needs all sorts of configuring and separate programs to get things to work. proton in steam seems to work mostly out of the box.
Dude hasnt done any due diligence doesnt know what proton acrially js snd doesnt know fhat modding is cully poasible on linux so chard to say hiw much of his assertions are actually accurate
As a full time linux user, this a very good video with well thought out and logical discussions about the shortcomings of linux and linux gaming 👍 . I too struggle with mods on linux gaming and the wide-screen struggle is real.
Now what can help the Linux community is to clone prism for x86.
This might come off as a contentious (or rather extremely controversial) opinion, but I don't think tools like Flawless Widescreen are "flawless". In fact, I'd actually make the argument to say that they're poorly designed.
It's literally no secret (in fact it's an open one) that the developer of Flawless Widescreen, Hayden, has a pretty apparent problem with ego, being denigrating towards others, and over-estimating their abilities, and they've openly had an anti-Linux and anti-AMD agenda in the past. I'm sorry, but anything that constantly has to run in the background, from startup (if you don't want to open it before you then open a game), as an administrator at that (Keep in mind it's injecting stuff into the game's memory), is bad design, and it's possible that it's a walking security risk, and it likely even affects games with anti-cheat or software that is very strict about background tasks and services. You need a third-party solution (SteamTinkerLaunch) to even get it working with a game running on Proton. I don't even believe they've made anything recently, at least I haven't seen them frequent WSGF on Discord in a while. I guess one of the few good things about FWGS is how it handles multi-display support, lets you toggle mods on/off when the game's running, and lets you adjust things like the FOV and see that when the game's running, but how's this any better from just putting that stuff into an ImGui overlay that behaves functionally similar to RivaTuner, Special K, the Steam overlay, or literally anything that wraps or hooks itself onto DirectX/GL/Vulkan when the game's done drawing what it needs?
But I digress, Anything that relies on extra steps than just dragging and dropping some files into the game's directory (So you can contain it to the game's process, and make things streamlined and as easy for your average end user to run, so they don't go submitting support tickets asking for really blatantly obvious stuff when they can barely handle a file manager) is inherently anti-thetical to making a fix for a game that aims to fix a downside to the game that prevents it working optimally out of the box for the end user. Your average Steam forum user is a complete idiot (Not to denegrate them, they are good at finding problems, but not good at finding solutions), and not streamlining things is opening yourself to a ton of wasted time troubleshooting obvious issues for people who can't read a forum post. Some mod developers making fixes for games have realized this, and went out of their way to move things from external executable and Cheat Engine trainer solutions to proper DLL mods made in C++. Reloaded-II, despite all of my issues with it as a mod loader, at least puts it's configs in a clear location and they offer a DLL install of sorts which uses ASI Loader as a base, meaning it's easier to setup with games on Proton or if you want something that isn't entirely dependent on launching an external launcher. I have to even wonder why the script extender for Bethesda's games don't even bother with just using a DLL file that automatically injects what's needed when the game launches, because that would make it so all you have to do is launch the game through Steam instead of messing around with your file manager endlessly.
Despite Special K having a background service/app that essentially behaves like a game launcher (And even imports your games from Steam/GOG/Epic/Xbox and then auto-injects into the game through the launcher), you can copy the SpecialK32.dll or SpecialK64.dll file from the SKIF's directory into the game's directory and then install it. Kaldaien has made efforts to make Special K (Which also includes his mods for Nier Automata and others) work on a wide range of setups, and that includes on Proton/WINE.
If you can handle using Cheat Engine or x64dbg and making assembly patches, then you can handle writing a DLL in C++, so your mods are easy to install for the average schmuck. The game mod compatibility issue with Linux is entirely self-inflicted. I've made strives to move away from Cheat Engine tables and to write my mods as DLL files in C++ (Or in the case of Unity games, using BepInEx which opens the doors to what you can improve), and things are as easy as dragging some files into the game directory and setting a specific launch parameter in the Steam game's properties section with the DLL file in question (I.E: "WINEDLLOVERRIDES='dinput8=n,b' %command"), while also not relying on having to install the dreaded Visual C++ Runtimes in every game's Proton prefix (Thanks to just cross-compiling with MinGW, and using standard C++ functions rather than the ones from MSVC). I'm definitely not that skilled, I have a lot to learn about still, but looking inside, I feel like there's a lot more that could be done, even on Windows, the experience with game mods sucks.
as someone who likes to mod and load mods in games i feel that. some modding tools dont run on linux because they are broken in wine or dont work for some reason. and they dont have a linux build. i have to run a windows vm or have seperate hardware to do those windows specific tasks. which i dont mind but makes it far more annoying than it needs to be. i want to be done with windows.
Yeah, modding can be a bit tricky.. Unless it's on the steam workshop ofc, that works ootb.
I feel ya. I was testing Linux recently primary 4K and secondary 1440p. Even though the 1440p is generally used by a NUC, it still has the DP cable plugged in for if I need to dual screen my main machine. Linux was constantly trying to connect to it and having the login screen over there. Windows tries it once, then remembers that you've set to single monitor. My Linux trial didn't.
I also found screen scaling and such seemed to come and go. For instance Steam, one time it would be scaled and fine, the next, text was teeny tiny. It all started to get annoying. LOL.
“My creativity is more important than my righteousness,” such an excellent summation of the issue for a lot of folks stuck on other platforms. I love Linux and it is my go-to for my casual machines where I just mess around, but it has yet to address the scope of my creative workflow needs.
The problem with that mindset is what happens when the product you use becomes unavailable to you? Say the corporation who sold it to you says you have to pay an exorbitant subscription to continue using what you already paid for, or maybe worse, the corporation simply decides that nobody can use it anymore and anyone who purchased it is stripped of access in order to push them to buy a new product? What happens if the corporation goes belly-up and the lack of support causes the software to break on modern operating systems, and because the files use a proprietary format, you can't move your existing work over to a different piece of software? Do you truly own your creative works if your means of accessing them and creating them can be stripped from you by the whims of a third party? It's not just about righteousness. It's about thinking in the long term.
@@GANONdork123 "what happens when the product you use becomes unavailable to you? "
yar har, shiver dee dee! being a pirate is something to be! do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
@@GANONdork123 Thank you for your response. Your concerns are valid, but will be relative to the effected individual and their particular ‘poison’ of creative work. As with any work, the tools one employs are subject to reasonable availability, reliability, and replacement when necessary, fundamental aspects of tools digital and otherwise. For some, the game of ‘what if’ might be more relevant than it is to others, and in cases of tools disappearing, not working as desired, or being unreasonable in form, function, or otherwise, I’d argue the individual’s plight is indeed about preserving their process rather than righteousness (though, really, the two need not be mutually exclusive, do they?). However, as in instances referenced in the video, the best tool for the job is the tool that you have available and reliable and replaceable to you right now, at hand and ready to work or most immediately so, and in many instances that means indentured servitude to an evil that ought not be necessary but is. Don’t get it twisted-just like the video suggests, I’m constantly experimenting with open source options, Wine configurations, and ways in which I might manually rethink my workflow to limit my exposure, but sometimes you have a row of nails in front of you and only a hammer will do. I think anyone that suggests alternative platforms to others without taking the time to understand the workflow and creative in question is doing so with a degree of arrogance and ignorance, however well-intentioned. I feel like that’s the position of this video-not an attack on Linux or open source options, but an acknowledgement that there are about as many divergent needs and workflows as their are workers, and neither you nor me nor anybody else can possibly say for certain what may or may not be best from another stranger on the internet.
@@GANONdork123 I'll just pirate an old version... or, let's say FL Studio decides to switch and make their users pay a monthly fee... I'll block their servers with pihole.
@@GANONdork123 As someone who uses Clip Studio Paint, I just pay the subscription. If/when the company goes under, what I do next will depend on my situation and options at the time.
That said, I want to ask, in your counter to "My creativity is more important than my righteousness", what is the final goal? I'm not quite following the mindset given the video topic.
For the big majority of people who don't game and just need office packages and an internet browser, Linux is 100% usable. That is a lot of people. Most people don't need Adobe or games. Once we get them to move and have the numbers, only then big corporations will pay attention to Linux.
Ex professional musician over here (more than 20 years of hard work), now a developer full time. I understand all you are talking about. My "sollution" (anyone does as it pleases and the way it pleases, it's just my choice) for this was to let it go when there is no way to port the apps/hardware (at least, for now) and embrace a totally new environment. From time to time I discover something that once was impossible or difficult to port, is now a lot easier. I also bought a lot of libraries and VSTs on the past, and I can use about 90% of it (even Native Access) with no problems on Debian (yes, the grandpa of distros). I imagine it would be easier in Arch, but I had my frustrations with role releasing distros on the past, so I stick with a stable one.
My DAW (REAPER) is already compatible with linux for some time, so I think it was easier for me. Anyway, I can´t imagine myself without the customization and freedom that linux gives me today. (KDE, window managers, flatpaks, reliable repositories etc.) I really try to visit my Windows 11 hard drive from time to time and it's a lot of pain and frustration (my Audio Interface seems to not work properly anymore on Windows for example). So now, I´ m on the opposite side of the conversation, and I don't want to go back. I think it would be possible, but I'm a happy linux user now.
Unfortunately, that's just not an option many times.
Yeah, mostly I hear in this video is whining about "bUt I dO nOt WaNt To LeArN nEw StUfF"...
Besides, a virtual machine with win11 running passthrough and just run it inside that if the user absolutely HAS to use a specific windows application not available on linux.
Heck, you can even play games doing that.
I had no problems getting autodesk inventor running using that method. And that application is said to be "impossible to run on linux". I guess I am a magician then... xD
Well, yeah, in order to make an omelette, you gonna have to break some eggs. You wanna stick it to Microsoft for designing and monopolizing the market around their OS in such a way it's nigh impossible to switch? Yeah, you gotta suffer some, as you lose the access to that exact market, what can you do...
@@marcusjohansson668 Well - I think with a VM doing passthru it is less running on linux than running within linux. So maybe more stage magician than Gandalf. 😁
@@sociallyferal4237 Kinda my point, the "adobe can not be ran on linux" is something that should be squashed.
Besides, people should not be using adobe anyway, unless they want to give adobe access to all their work. xD
Affinity didn't have plan for windows originally, but due to demands they paused development on their Publisher to get the other software out on windows. So sometimes, demand works.
demand - supply is how the world works
The day Affinity suite starts offering Linux version of their app, is the day I will fully move to Linux, but until then, I have no choice.
Oh man they really need to make Affinity available on Linux. I will buy the entire suite even at full price. Im not even bothered about Photoshop (even though I know it better).
I saw that Affinity works via Wine, I was going to test it earlier today, but got squirreled away by something else.
@@slaapliedje I got an older version working via Bottles at some point.
I use Windows, Linux and macOS. I never told anyone to make the switch to either, because all three have their advantages and disadvantages. I do my video editing on macos, I game on Windows and code on Linux.
That's the problem with Linux, its not just software that solves a problem, its an ideology, and that's why Windows is losing market share to MacOS, but Linux never pass 3%.
I basically don't care, I use XenHyperVisor on my computer so I can run Windows and MacOS and Linux because I use software for what it does, not for ideology, I don't care about free software, I use open source when I have the need to change software.
I actually prefer that I can't easily customize Windows, it prevents me from wasting time and actually use the computer to get actual real work done, instead of playing with the operating system like a game.
I do play games on Windows, it has GPU pass-through and is technically my "DWM" as Linux desktop kind of sucks, so I use it only from the command line.
@@monad_tcp Disagree. Linux doesn't gain market share because it doesn't sit on store shelves beside MacOS and Windows PCs. Need a major brand to actually try and sell them (not just make them hoping people will notice and buy as some have attempted). People don't buy MacOS, they buy an Apple computer.
@@monad_tcp Well, lack of customization is deal-breaker to me on windows. On W11 I can't even have vertical taskbar... And sorry to say, but if ability to customize things to improve your workflow is distraction for you, then that is very much problem with you.
@@lifebarier RetroBar has been amazing for me on Windows... and it allows vertical taskbars... But I do wish I could customize things more.
Steam has give super clear signals what is the key for making people use linux: 1) ease of use 2) software
I wish Linux devs would focus on those areas instead of making new distros and desktop environments
You think we don't need the 54774637th distro? Are you out of your mind?
@@MyReviews_karkanlol 😅😆
That's not on the hands of the Linux devs at all. The compatibility problem totally depends on the app providing native support to the OSes.
Linux devs aren't making the distros or desktop environments. It's not one cohesive team, it's just random people doing what they find enjoyable.
@@gabrielkolletalves493 if valve had accepted that mentality we would not had the steam deck and the state of linux gaming where windows games run as smoothly as native software.
There a lot of things linux debs could do to attract developer support or even make them run without their support. But they do not do it because the majority of distros do not care or they are stuck in the mentality of everything has to be open source and ethical. They usually treat any privative software as the devil with a lot of warnings, or separate repositories for them and they want to develop their own open source alternatives that are not always on par.
I am all for open source regarding the os, drivers and apis because that is where big companies fuck us, but regarding an specific productivity app or a game nobody cares if it is open source or even "native". Valve understand that and they are being pragmatic, linux debs usually are not although I see some are starting to understand.
The Achilles heel of Linux for me is the tremendous lack of user friendliness. You feel that you need to spend a whole day just to get your web cam working (random example) an that will always keep the majority of people away.
Ah, you tried to install Linux from back 1999! There are really good Linux Distribution out there. Perhaps you only ever used Windows.
@@repairman2be250 You assume wrong, I've been trying new distros for some time now. From Mint to Ubuntu, and so on. My point still stands. The broad range of Linux distributions is commendable and offers a lot of variety and flexibility, but gives a lot of headaches to newcomers, In the end there's only one Windows, and people in will always choose the easier and faster way and Microsoft knows this.
May I suggest, Linux Mint for windows users?
To be fair, it’s mostly the underlying hardware that is unfriendly. Pick smart.
idk what webcam you use but every generic webcam works ootb
I feel you 100% on the lack of good music and media players in Linux. I went through the same journey through Clementine, Nightingale, DeadBeef, etc, and none of them stacked up to Foobar2000. I'm getting by with the flatpak someone made, but would love to have it natively running for all the reasons you mentioned. Maybe someday soon the dev will hear our pleas.
Another category of software to mention are the myriad peripheral utilities for programmable mice and keyboards, and so on. I haven't looked in the last few years, but I remember there not being much. Perhaps that's changed, but hopefully we see more of that from manufacturers and/or the FOSS community soon.
Also, absolutely digging your music. Keep at it!
Strawberry. It's great and closest to Foobar I could find and you can tweak it to look like foobar, mostly. Honestly I forgot about foobar since using strawberry but I desperately missed foobar until I did.
Vlc isn't good enough?
for the modding point:
on Linux ive modded Guild Wars 2, Monster Hunter World, Minecraft, Deep Rock Galactic and plan to mod a few more games. Works fine so far, GW2 just needed some wine/protontricks
It's possible, but trying to work around with DLLs on Linux is a major pain in the ass. Tedious at best.
@@plebisMaximus As someone who's a full time Linux user, I agree. The modding situation on Linux is not good enough. It's symptomatic of a general problem with Linux. If you put literally thousands of hours into it, you can make most things work, sort of. But most people don't have that option.
i mod Bethesda games no problem with mod organizer 2 in linux
Does the script extender stuff also work? @@motozappa225
ksp works really well!, and kenshi.
You have some more options:
-dualboot, a PC of these days can reboot to an other OS under 15sec. So at least you can enjoy the free world after you finished the creative stuff.
-you can run Windows in Virtualbox, with a shared folder between the two OSs. I did this to simply access my corporation's onedrive / sharepoint shares from Linux.
*Debian with it's usually old packages may not be the best os for desktops. That may be the source of your problems with Wayland.
I’ll just add that every time I’ve used virtual box the performance is absolutely horrendous but QEMU has been much better.
@@nathanp3366 I did not tried qemu yet. But so far vbox was fine for me, I did mostly writing and testing freepascal code with Lazarus. It's an easy way for me to test multiplatform code on a Linux host.
@@nathanp3366 I was gonna say, who runs virtualbox in windows when KVM/Qemu works a lot better? OP, if you haven't tried it, you should. It's amazing, performs better than VMWare.
1) if you're gonna end up being spied on windows, why bother dual booting at all?
2) virtual machine hit the performance like a truck. You're losing performance that you paid for what? Just for hating windows?
@@youravghuman5231 He? o.O
1 - We are using Altium Designer at work. Sometimes I had to work from home and no, the last years it was not working with wine. Previously it worked, but in a verry sluggish, useless way.
2 - Please don't bring hate to this conversations. I'm using vbox usually to write and test multiplatform apps. Works fine.
*No, I do not like using Windows. I just have to time to time.
I haven't watched the full video yet, but I can't switch over to Linux because I'm disabled and I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking to control the computer and to type. So far I haven't found anything which is as good. Edit: The homage was the game Blackthorne.
Linux is not in a great spot for accessibility right now, unfortunately. The old tools are all broken by the transition to Wayland, and the new tools largely aren't done yet. Might be looking better in a few years, though, hopefully.
@@psiah9889 In a few years, in a few years, you will see they will get there... 💤💤 30 years and still the same lame excuses.
How many decades of gimp and still the maybe most unusable ui/ux out there. Where is HiDPI support in most of that awesome "alternatives" ? Multimonitor ?
What about making that thing generally usable instead of producing 50 new distros a week.
Or do most linux nerds just tweak their desktop, make a video about it, and then tweak the next distro ? A very unproductive way to spend your life on this planet.
What is Wayland?
@@kaisfp So... Remember back in the day when Windows Vista came out and it changed the way a lot of things worked and broke several things, but it was ultimately required for things to work well in the future because a lot of the old assumptions people made back in the 80's and 90's about what would be needed in the future weren't great?
Linux is going through that a bit later... As in, right now. Wayland replaces X11, which is how Linux has done things for like four decades now, but was designed for mainframe type systems with multiple users accessing it at once. Stuff like multiple monitor support has been hacked in, rather than being a basic, intentional feature, and the old way was horrendously insecure, making keyloggers very easy to set up even if they were never as common as on windows.
Wayland is the new version, meant to fix all that. It, for instance, actually supports running multiple monitors with different refresh rates, instead of just taking one giant virtual monitor and cutting slices out of it for different screens. It modernizes things, makes them faster, makes them support modern protocols better, and makes them much more secure.
But security always comes at the cost of convenience. Easy keyloggers also meant easy screen readers... Now on Wayland, those are much more difficult to do. Not *impossible*, mind, but a lot of work and the devs largely haven't gotten around to it yet. So people who need those features are stuck on the old, insecure version that, notably, no one is really working on and fixing bugs and the like for anymore. Still, it's got like fourty years of time put into it, so it's also just pretty stable and relatively bug-free at this point in general.
So, basically, tl;dr: Wayland is the future of the Linux desktop, but there are still some missing pieces that affect accessibility software more than anything else.
@@kaisfp
New display server.
Whenever I listen to things like this is that it never addresses the business world. Try doing your yearly taxes with a Linux app. Say what -- you can't - yep you're correct. Try running a robust Contact Manager on Linux (not just a shiny address book). Say what - you can't - yep you're correct. Try keeping track of your checking accounts with a Linux app. Oh I've looked but they are very weak.
That is the big problem for anyone outside of people who only talk games. I've been a Linux user for a long time but I need to also have Windows on another partition. Wine just doesn't work well on proprietary software.
I use Linux and Quickbooks and most tax software have online versions. Wine works exceptionally well for most of the commonly used Windows software.
Yeah its usually just use their web application if available - I pretty much use Microsoft Teams this way. But it is a very fair point, if you can't run the app natively, and there isn't a web port, you are going to have to use some hacky workaround or run a Windows VM which can be quite complicated for the uninitiated (and this hasn't even touched on how to bypass VM detection for some apps that do so). What might seem easy to someone, is a hassle to someone else.
Linux becomes mainstream when we stop having to talk about Wine.
Linux will never become mainstream, you just have to make sacrifices to get out of microsofts greedy grip
@@markojovanovic9651 never? mmmmm I don't know lol
@@markojovanovic9651 true. I can never shift to Linux simply because of low availability of industry standard softwares. Like solidworks,Autocad, ArcGis and Watergems etc. Something simple like MS office is also not supported by linux so yeah microsoft got us pretty good.
@@markojovanovic9651 it doesn't need to, it just needs to own enough marketshare that all software developers switch to linux native releases. And we are close to that. It was only a few years ago linux was less than 1% of casual desktop users. Now it's almost 5%, and at 10 you should expect everything shifting to accomodate linux because 10% is a huge amount of lost revenue. Technically far more than 10% of machines are running linux, if you include servers and chromebooks, and yes chromebooks run linux.
For inserting a clip from Beavis and Butt-Head in Virtual Stupidity you get a 10/10 and that was an homage to Blackthorne
It's odd that aseprite is mentioned. I use it all the time in Linux. I don't quite know what issue specifically that you're facing.
@ActionGamerAaron "He says you need to build it in Linux!"
firstly, step by step instructions are given on how to compile. that said, i did run into issues when i did that manually tho i succeeded in the end.
secondly, on linux distributions like nixos can install it directly. and nix package manager is something you can install on every distro
i have nix package manager on kubuntu and i was able to install aseprite through that. nix has an interesting way of installing stuff. nix packages arent all installed the same way. some downloads, some compiles. but at the end of the day, all of it is automated and you only needed to give the install command
The last I checked, many things were just not working... I forget the details... but the interface was a weird size, things wouldn't resize easily... and windows were always way bigger than they should be. Maybe these were old wayland issues or something. I haven't tried on the latest version.
@@teksyndicate you can change scaling size in aseprite settings
Also I prefer to not use wayland
@@teksyndicate Always keep up to date on changes on Linux in general, not just a distro or two you are interested in. The landscape on Linux rn can very well change for the better within a few weeks at this rate so if you aren't 100% ready to switch but still want to, I would at least keep an eye on it
@ActionGamerAaron I made an attempt to build it. Building the dependencies was a pain in the ass, so I noped out and just downloaded the pre-built binary. I have a license so it didn't matter.
I didn't want to waste a day or weekend on it when I could just download it.
One more benefit to you being stuck on windows is that you have been able to make a lot of great software tutorials to help the rest of us who are are also stuck on windows for creative software and need some deshitification tips for Windows.
I lightly disagree with the creative software locking you in to Microsoft Windows. While FOSS creative software applications of higher usefulness may be quite rare on Linux, the gaming aspect is even rarer on the systems.
A few things hold Linux back.
1. 100's of distros all trying to do the same thing(be Windows) but so differently they have compatibility issues with each other. (This deters developers from making native Linux apps/games when you need multiple of them for Debian-based, Ubuntu-based, and other distro-based distros that don't work 100% with each other.
2. The community is really, REALLY toxic towards newcomers, beginners, those who want to learn, or those who use a different distro. (This is what drove me away personally. Telling a games dev they "don't know how to code" because they don't want to use sudo commands isn't going to attract us)
3. Compatibility will stay poor until more people get into Linux (See problem 2 for this one) and no one will adopt it if there's no support for it.(see problem 1 for this one)
And finally, they tout it as an OS that can run even the oldest, weakest hardware, but we don't want to optimise our games to run on your Core 2 Duo in 2024 even if you use Windows; it's not the win you think it is. This results in extra compatibility issues (see problem 3 for this one) and we don't want to have to waste time dealing with all these extra hurdles.
My target audience is Dreamcast, so I COULD optimise my games to run on a Core 2 Duo, but I'm in a very small minority here, and even then I'd rather not have to go that far for a system with no set spec because then if it runs on your Core 2 Duo, why does their Phenom 2 not run it? (PC architectures are very different from one CPU/GPU vendor to another, whereas consoles are consoles, and every Dreamcast will run every Dreamcast game the same.
Also Paintdotnet has no equal on any OS, and relies on the .net framework to function(This is my personal reason for sticking to Windows)
Expanding on point 2. I don't want to use Linux anymore, but don't want to suck up 1-2gb of ram every VM for windows for a homelab server.
Every guide out there assumes you have good knowledge of Linux based commands, or understanding to begin with.
"yea just run this command and it'll do what you need"
"That didn't work? Throws an error or command/package not available"
"Install the package then..."
"The 5 guides I found tell me to use apt install,but it doesn't work"
"You're fucking dumb, use apt-get install. It also needs to be sudo"
"Sudo isn't a valid command"...
"This distro uses 'su' only, oh and add the user to the sudo group"
More googling later...its just been endless, ENDLESS googling and unintuitive nonsense to get the damn OS even running...
Need to mount an external nas drive? That's either installing 3 other things, with guides that don't cover remounting on reboot. Or having a stab at fstab.
Everything is just soooooo much easier to do in windows...I don't want to configure files to mount my drives so I can see my smb share.
Give me a GUI that let's me put a damn IP address in and the OS does the heavy lifting. (There probably is something for this, but god of can I find it amongst the 100's of Terminal/Shell gurus or hotheads)
@@ShuskiCross For real.
Another thing they don't tell you is those commands differ depending on the distro.
I tried Arch and instead of all the Sudo commands I'd mastered, it used "pacman" and then the commands were altered as well, so I had to re-learn everything and it was ultimately more hassle than it was worth.
And having to know the specific package name was a pain. Instead of going to the web and downloading (insert browser here) it was "google-chrome-stable" or "google-chrome-nightly" and while it wasn't hard to do per se, it was definitely more tedious to do, I wound up downloading the appimage files or .deb files online and just using those where I could instead most of the time.
Linux was fun for me, but it's definitely not ready for the big stage with Windows and MacOS yet.
I have a low-end Laptop with an iGPU and some old games like Half-Life 2, Portal 1 and 2 (probably any other game that uses DirectX 9-11) run like trash compared to running them on Windows. If we talk about their native versions then Half-Life 2 is the only decent port I've tried, so it's hit or miss too. I like using Linux for everything else though.
For photo editing, it is hard to move away from Adobe, especially the Adobe camera raw engine. Raw image processing is a difficult area of development, which is why it takes so long for new raw process versions to come out. To truly see the power of that development, try revisiting some of your old raw files, with newer algorithms to interpret raw files, you will see massive improvements to how far you can adjust things. Newer versions of the raw engine with very old raw files is able to improve highlight and shadow recovery (the latest engine can get very close to the technical limits of a specific raw file based on the mathematical analysis of raw files.
Another area is the color management and processing, newer raw engines are able to handle adjustments in tricky color situations without clipping color channels as easily. Thus extremely good for concert photography.
What is wrong with Rawtherapee?
But is it still legal Adobe?
It's not just audio, video, and music that does not work well. e-learning is a challenge. In the industry, we use programs like Adobe Captivate and Articulate Storyline. There are a couple of candidates that are not quite ready for professional use. Open e-learning is as close to Storyline and Captivate that I could find and given the development cycles of Open e-learning, it would take about two years for them to get caught up to where they need to be. They need to make it easy for the e-learning author to create custom templates for their e-learning. They also do not have a way to import PowerPoint and Impress slides into an e-learning module. These are very common tasks that need to be done. The workflow is slowly improving and am hopeful they can resolve these issues and make their tool a professional-grade e-learning development tool.
Instructional designer here. Keenly feel your pain on this one. Where Linux shines in this industry is in its ability to run local copies of server based e-learning suites. I used to create all kinds of content on this one bit of software called Ilias which is a really nice LMS but also lets you create content on it which is Scorm 2004 compliant. Since I had to set up a lamp stack in order to run this thing, I also used to run copies of Moodle and a few other LMS packages to test what I had created and they worked rather well. Not as pretty as what you can make on articulate though or Captivate.
5:51 pretty sure they forked wine. They didn't make Proton from scratch, did they?
it's a fork and more of a downstream of WINE and Valve themselves contribute back codes from Proton to WINE's development
it's not even a fork. It's wine with more packages.
Proton is also worked on by wine developers that valve sponsors.
Proton is Wine.
theres a reason you can run regular windows programs in proton
Request to community: Don't just tell people which operating system a person must use rather it's more of a personal choice. Another thing is experimenting with different operating systems just lets you find your own one and the one you can actually work with. Operating systems are meant to be your assistaint.
This. I will also say to the community that if you feel bad that someone didn't made it to fully switch to the OS you're using and they stayed on their OS, it's none of your business. It's really a personal preference and what works for you might not work for others.
Also, other people have less time to learn a new OS than you had when you managed to fully switch to Linux. People that seek help by searching online or looking at forums are the ones that had the time to learn Linux. If they don't, they obviously don't have time and there's nothing you can do about it.
It's okay to make them try, but let's not push them if it's really not working for them.
The fact that for almost a decade, almost all desktop users worldwide used just one OS (Windows) for everything, kind of contradicts you. In the 2000s even macOS which was the 2nd most used had a pitiful minuscule market share.
And I think that's precisely the problem with Linux desktop adoption by regular users(which is also the blessing for power users). Most ppl except the real few power users don't give a single f about the OS itself. They just want to do their thing in the easiest, shortest, most comfortable way possible. Not by distro hopping which basically means constantly reinstalling their OS, not by following changelogs, kernel releases, foss drama etc.
@@codyrap95this, but they are still gonna say linux gui is good enough for normal people for everyday usage which isn't true at all.
It's not like this guy is comfortable using Windows, he's actually in a bit of pain, he's been mentioning that a lot.
You. Must. Use. Windows.
Vista.
The biggest problem with WINE is that there's no raw hardware access. So for some piece of hardware to work someone has to create a driver specific to WINE that talks with its Linux driver and the applications inside WINE.
Wow, this video has been coming up in my recommended list for days, I wish I clicked on it sooner. I'm watching this on my Linux daily driver. I do all my gaming on Linux. You make some very valid points here.
I thought I was stuck on windows til I found how to GPU passthrough to a VM and found an app called looking glass.. I won't dare let winblows touch complete bare metal on ANY pc in my house any more
Oh, you please have to tell me more about the GPU passthrough. This is one of the things that are on my agenda to get done. What do you use for virtualisation?
Qemu works very well. I daily drive a similar setup using proxmox. You will need a iGPU or a second graphics card for the host if you still want to use graphics outside of your windows VM
@@leoniscsemthe best way to use virtualization is with qemu/virt-manager imo, then you would need a second gpu for gpu passthrough to work, so if you have an external graphics card and also internal graphics you can configure all of this for the windows vm to have complete and exclusive control of the external gpu and leave the internal graphics to linux, plus linux is better in the virtualization aspect because of kvm, you can investigate further or use chatgpt if you want, but i can assure you it isn't that complex at all, you just need guidance
@@jandramila We are using Proxmox in our business line, but actually are considering to ditch it in favour of native LXD/LXC, since Proxmox in fact also just uses the standards and adds bells and whistles to it.
But speaking of Qemu and GPU passthrough, did you just add flags in your KVM config, or do you handle everything through Proxmox config?
Keep Windows at least 2m from bare metal and stay safe out there!
I've had to jump through hoops on every distro I've tried to get my sound card working in 5.1 and then I find that even still the games will only output stereo
Yeah Audio drivers have always been very RNG heavy. Thankfully I have no complex setup. So before 22.04 the only issues where the same as under windows but easier to solve, because I could automate the workaround. After that dist upgrade it shockingly just worked.
Creative cards are weird and map 5.1 incorrectly, I figured out how to fix mine based on a post from reddit. Had to tweak pipewire (which is actually pretty straightforward. )
@@slaapliedje yeah I'm using a sound blaster Z and have done a lot of reading like I said I was able to get it working properly but even with digital output the games will still only do stereo
I didn't think about my soundcard. I always like to have an old soundblaster X-fi installed so I can use EAX in old games.
@@qbertguy Huh, I know there are a few games recently (after I managed to get new speakers and have them set up properly in a 5.1 setup correctly for once) that just sound amazing. Valheim was one, if I recall. I'm betting a lot of the output depends on the game. The sad thing is, modern computing has a few things that irritate everyone on all operating systems. Sound is one of them. Oops, the sound is now trying to go out a monitor with no speakers. Oops, the mic in the laptop is active instead of the headset, etc. When you have 6 different sound devices, and each application has separate settings... you can see where it'd go wrong.
That pixel art animation with the shotgun is a homage to Blackthorn. Had a great time playing that ages ago. Brings back great memories of my childhood. :)
Hell yeah! I'm about to hire someone to help with tilemaps (I'll make some too, but I'm also working on the music and dialog)... hopefull we make something out of it!
@@teksyndicate I'll be eagerly waiting for your game to get released on steam! :)
16:44 I'm kinda sad that 7-zip has no Linux version of its gui (only the CLI compression/decompression tool is available on Linux), so I took matters into my own hands and started recreating 7zFM on Linux, using the official 7-zip under the hood where possible. So maybe if enough people want Foobar2000 on Linux eventually someone will start recreating it.
There IS in fact a 7zip gui version. It's called p7zip-gui. It's exactly like the Windows version.
@@SleepTime-Dark
AFAIK it's a SNAP with a semi-broken 7-zip install in WINE inside it.
At least I know it's broken, as the context menu in the file list doesn't work (just doesn't appear) and Unicode isn't supported. So my downloads folder, "Hämtningar" becomes "Hämtningar". And it doesn't honour my theme at all, always looking like upscaled Win9x.
@@Lampe2020 LOL, imagine using Ubuntu. I use arch BTW and the package works fine from the AUR.
@@Lampe2020 BTW, ark is much better.
@@SleepTime-Dark
It is maybe better, but it's not the same GUI as 7zFM. And the only goal of my thing is to recreate the 7zFM GUI on Linux.
Of Foobar, it doesn't have to be open-source. Or rather, it doesn't have to be OSI's interpretation; FB2K dev could use a model based on fair-code and have the _official_ build be theirs, and theirs alone. While FB2K is free and fair-code is a model which helps to financially support developers, in this instance the fair-code model is basically being used for the author to maintain full control of their specific build while people can fork it for use on other systems as their own projects.
The premise here is that official, mainline FB2K is never to be touched by anyone else. The OSI + GNU model would require forked code to be attributed by its authors and integrated into the main branch, while this fair-code model would ensure the author doesn't have to touch GNU licensing, but basically release the code as being openly-available under a license that declares the author maintains sole control over the base software, but forks can _do whatever._ While no money is changing hands, the fair-code model would permit the author to restrict who touches the base while ensuring anyone who wants to make additions via forks can do so.
I did not expect such a detailed explanation. I am sorry that we are not there yet, for your use case. But there is one tiny thing that I believe you are mistaken: I use Aseprite and it offers a deb package. You do not have to build it. Also, I have not noticed any issues with it on Linux. It just works. I am also on Debian 12, but on X11 and KDE.
I haven't used it in a while, so I'll try again. I did test it with wayland, so that might be it.
I don't have issues with aseprite on Wayland! So probably something was weird with your setup, no idea @@teksyndicate
@@teksyndicatehaven't noticed any issues on Wayland with it or its Foss fork however you may run it through xwayland if you do end up encountering some
"I want to go to make things better, not sacrifice" So much truth in that statement. I feel like im sacrificing less now that I found Nobara, but there are still a couple of programs that keep me on windows. I have been able to switch a rig over to Nobara and run a windows VM, but I keep the other rig on windows when I need to do work on a more powerful setup.
I think its closer for me than ever before, but there are still a few things keeping on that MS side.
Just wanted to suggest another option. You could get a small micro PC like a Beelink and then a USB switcher for your keyboard, mouse and accessories. I use something like this for messing around with SBCs. As long as your applications don't require a large dedicated GPU, even AMDs iGPUs are very good nowdays. You could have your main PC run linux and have most of your programs/games, then your micro PC run windows with your music production software.
That would probably be ok for most of my music... I'm not sure about the symphonic stuff. The samples are MASSIVE... so I'd want to upgrade it to 64GB of ram... but if I did that, it's a good idea.
@@teksyndicate Fortunately, there are micro PCs that do offer support for 64GB of RAM
@@teksyndicate I recommend Minisforum UM790 or Beelink SER7 Pro, both come with 7940hs/7840hs CPU and have two m.2 slot available. You can slot a double-sided NVMe into one of the slots, but the other is obstructed (SER7 has a wifi card below the SSD), but if you take the wifi card out and connect via Ethernet, you can install two double-sided for up to 16 TB storage. Memory can be upgraded to 48x2 for 96 GB and possibly beyond in the future, however, as things currently are, none exist for laptops. Even on desktop side, outside of R and U DIMM, dual-channel non-ECC DDR is impossible to find. With the single exception of awful, proprietary magnetic connector on SER7 and SER6 pro, I cannot recommend these mini PCs enough. Geekom A8 is also fine but BIOS is pretty locked down.
P.S. I recommend Tech Guy Beau, Iceberg Tech and level1tech's review of these machines. I wouldn't recommend anything prior to Meteor Lake on the Intel side, let me tell you that much. And Intel's offerings should be considered only when it's cheaper than the AMD ones (and they're not). If you've been following mobile CPU space and looked at the reviews of recent mobile processors, you should already be familiar with them.
@@teksyndicate I'm on the same boat, most of the hardware on my PC is for audio production (128GB ram, multiple 4-8TB SSD's for orchestral samples), though I do like the idea of just having multiple PCs and using switchers. Another idea I had was either running Windows VM on linux with passthrough (might require more research/config to get it working smoothly as I want) or using Synergy
21:00 Wayland is half-baked because GNOME has a say about what goes into the official protocols and what does not. And because GNOME has an entirely different vision to basically anybody else of what a desktop should do and they don't wand protocols they don't like to implement in the official protocol list they just create a lot of fuss. So on Wayland even seemingly trivial things like letting an application set its own icon seperately on every window is made to look controversial and takes years and years to get everyone on board to finally get it approved.
[EDIT]: By the way, even many people who like Wayland are annoyed about they Wayland committee always making a fuss about everything.
Something I've noticed reading these comments, it looks like most of your issues with linux have a potential solution but it seems like the only reason you would ever find out about it is if some rando in the comment section makes you aware of it. You know your way around Linux well enough from what I can tell, but actually finding the various fixes for things you need would be very difficult if you didn't have youtube comments to tell you where/what they are.
This is another issue with linux for some people, I just don't want to have to hunt for a solution for a niche problem because of my specific hardware and/or software and hope to stumble on it.
Like you, I just want to DO the things I like to do on my computer, not spend a bunch of time setting up and figuring out. I'll give linux a real shot some day, but its gonna need a handful more work to be right for me.
I get the sentiment here, not sure I agree Linux is not for creatives. I ran a studio for years, very dependent on Adobe software. It was hard to leave that, and it required significant changes, but I can't say I regret those changes. I'm quite happy, having adjusted and learned new open-source tools.
That would have been a significant effort . 👍
Here to chime in with everyone else who wishes they could main Linux but can't. Like you, I'm a creative and some plug-ins don't work as well on Linux or aren't available at all and there's no alternative. And as a gamer, anti-cheat is the obvious problem. But other things too- I'm a Clone Hero/YARG fanatic, but the Riffmaster controller as far as I know has zero support and considering that even the Windows support involves community made driver and input translation, I don't have the intelligence to figure it out. And then dumb little things like NVIDIA support being historically terrible and not being able to afford a whole new AMD card (I have a 3080, it'd be a pretty penny to upgrade).
Little things like this that seem small, but are major elements to my personal daily happiness. Currently as I'm writing this I've decided to dual-boot W10 and Endeavour. It's a pain in the ass and inconvenient as hell to switch, but at least it's a solution that's available.
Can't speak for anything else, but I bought an Nvidia card a couple of months ago and the driver seems fine now. I think the "magic" release was version 555.
I just set up a 3060 on Nobara, and so far no issues. Seconding what herrpez said about the magic driver.
I recently got a 4060 Ti, and it worked on pop_os right out of the box
The good thing about Nvidia drivers is that your card is Ampere and support of everything starting from Turing seems better than usual. The prorietary driver works great, but you can also try the official open-source driver (still in Beta, but you can give it a try). Just don't use nouveau if your card is supported by official drivers.
There has been an issue on Wayland with Nvidia cards as the display adapter though, because the driver did not support explicit sync (please don't ask me what this is), but that apparently has changed. So give it a shot, but if you run into issues on Wayland and you don't find a solution, then switch back to X11.
Oooh! You showed the basic shooting animation and I thought "maybe...?" But then you showed the Easter egg, and it became "Not maybe! Blackthorne!!!"
\m/,
7:50 Yep, being creative has been hard on Linux with just this ONE roadblock - Affinity. I dropped adobe stuff a long time ago, but even the next best alternative I got used to was a hassle to get working. I did recently get it working because of someone's tutorial and a bit of poking around. The performance is basically halved and has some visual bugs, but that hasn't stopped me being excited that I don't need to launch windows anymore
The main reason I'm not using Linux as my main device (I do use it for software development when I need compile and test apps for it), is that Linux is a debloated Windows with subpar compatibility and support. I know that Linux can do 95% of the things, but in those 5% of cases the trouble is not worth a quick and easy debloating and modding of windows.
For less advanced users that just need to surf the web, dont care about triple A games in HDR, about adobe programs, anticheat, and similar things, Linux is the perfect choice. Sadly I'm not that kind of user. I use Linux for what it is the best choice: my home server, NAS, transcode station, router, just not the desktop.
Love your music, man. Your channel helped me build my first gaming PC and decide on a mechanical keyboard flavor at 14. It's been ten years. I turn 25 in 6 days. Nitheren is one of my comfort albums and I love all the new stuff.
I'm in the process of getting into the field and I'm switching to Linux in the coming days. It's ironic that I turned on my system today and found that it was trying to bully me into installing Windows 11 before I even signed in.
While I'm afraid to take the plunge, I know Linux' beautiful community will take far better care of me. Spent a few months in class learning Linux CLI first. I'll have to join up on the forum soon. I have issues getting organized, if I'm honest.
You might've sold me on the Zimaboard. I don't quite have the funds right now, but I will probably end up investing the same amount for a worse gateway or a PiHole setup or something. I just love the form factor without all the labor and research of the PiHole.
My problem is the accessibility software. Linux isn't quite there yet, at least as far as I've found. I have a visual disability so the Windows Magnifier and the text to speech that runs alongside of it is almost perfect for my situation. I wish I could find something as useful for linux.
This might be a thing specific to the desktop environment you use.
I've heard of a game dev with visual disability getting involved in the space reporting bugs and stuff, and apparently, according to him, KDE Plasma in particular got into a pretty decent state in recent versions.
@@Kris-od3sj I know it's being worked on, but no, I don't think that there is anything on the level windows provides for accessibility.
@@Kris-od3sj I'll have to check into that. My problem is kind of a paradox, I need screen magnification to look into anything I can use in linux. It's not like Windows where on any windows machine since Win7 I can hit the Windows key plus keypad + and start a pretty decent screen magnifier. I dual boot my machine with Win11 and Ubuntu and have the Zoom set up on Ubuntu but I just don't know enough about linux and how to set things up in it to be comfortable yet.
@@Bureaucromancer Fair enough, my point of reference was just one person. Let's hope that support will improve among the desktop environments.
@@kortt I guess you can a listen to a podcast with said developer, where he talks about it. Check out Tech Over Tea podcast, episode 208.
He also showed up in the most recent episode, but I haven't seen it myself yet; perhaps he mentions the changes he's made that I've heard of in the news here and there.
The Adobe suite is the biggest pain in the ass, but there are lots of closed source apps that run on linux, just rakes a bit of messing around. A big one that a lot of linux creators use is DaVinci resolve, which works natively. Photo editing software could take some time to research something you could use for your needs, but it definitely exists
You nailed it, people really don't care about the operating system, they care about the software you can use on your pc. Windows has been the mainstay for decades and nobody minded it much, until they started to abuse their userbase (again). But even in that scenario, while people are now interested on Linux more than ever because of their recent moves, they'll go back for sure once they notice that their software, the stuff you _actually_ use on a pc rather than an OS, doesn't work (or requires some tinkering based on commands posted by a guy on reddit, and some stuff doesn't exist anymore in your distro).
Things for sure are better in Linux, and I love it, but I get that isn't for everybody.
My main issue with Linux is that there are just more knobs to fiddle with and more stuff that can go wrong and for the most part I just want shit to work honestly...
You just reminded me how good your music is. Every now and again I go on a Zweihander listening spree while working and it's always a blast. Thanks, and please keep making albums!
7:00 - That basically explains my biggest problem with Linux. Usually it requires a lot more work, and I don't want to have to mess around with my OS any more either.
Back in 2007, I'd spend all day messing with Compiz just for fun. I didn't mind tweaking Wine settings to get WC3 to work. Stuff like Proton, Lutris, and Bottles have brought gaming a very long way, but the reality is it's still not as simple as Windows, and sometimes it's way more fuss than I want to deal with. Yesterday I spent all day reading documentation and going through three different distros before I finally got WoW to launch. I love the fact that it works, but I hate that it took so long, because from past experience at any time there will be an update that breaks it again. And I don't think I will have the patience to stay on Linux.
EDIT: I just realized WoW is capped at 75 FPS, even though I have it set to no cap. So I thought I had it working fine, but normally I'd be running 140+ on Windows. Yet another thing to fix when I could be playing.
Switched to Linux mint 5 months ago, For all the game I played only a few did I have to look up ProtonDB to find out which Proton/Wine to use. All the games work so far, I do not do Multi player online games that have anti cheat. Been able to mod my games using a secondary pc with windows. The problem I have had with linux is, it is not windows. You have to treat linux like learning a new game that does things differently, using that way of thinking has saved me a lot of time and frustration. Learn Virtual Machine so I can switch my wife over to linux she needs Microsoft office to work, the vm should do that easy.
I mean, for WoW all I did was install it through Lutris. Over on CachyOS (Arch-based) the only game I can't play in my library is Destiny 2. Helldivers 2 runs awesome thanks to Glorious Eggroll (check out his custom proton versions). I run Hyprland for DE, GPUs are Intel Arc A310 & A770. I have a VM with passthrough for Office though.
just hitting install is harder then on windows lol ok. opning up the app store i want this app install also very hard i assume. 2007 is long behind us.
@@gogereaver349 Which Linux distro can I install WoW by "just hitting install"?
@@ElMartilloBlanco any of them using the lutris app. in fact currently playing wow mop remix on fedora 40. can litterly drage the exe into lutris and it sees what it is and grabs the nedded scripts. or just add to you libary with the search feature.
I really like the music you create man, I hope you can dully delve into it and make it your main thing.
It'll be that and gamedev... as soon as I can afford to do so.
@@teksyndicate Best wishes upon your future endeavours. 💪🏻
Linux is still mainly for Computer Geeks who don't mind getting into the code mud and doing some command line prose and technical tweaking to get certain things to run correctly.
It is not tailored for Grandma Jones who is not technically skilled who just wants to click and go.
It is getting better and better all the time and getting closer to a Grandma proof OS with some of the builds and desktop frontends. But is not yet ready for the untechnical masses.
The other thing stopping Linux from primetime is like Tek Syndicate says is compatibility with a lot of "Windows only" programs that a lot of people want to use. Sure there are a lot of Linux alternatives to many programs, but not ALL.
Linux doesnt do anything better, rather a lot worse. Than Windows does for literally 90% of the stuff someone can do. Everything that Linux can, you can do on Windows too. So why change, if a change brings a LOT of issues and disadvantages. Each time I install some Linux distro to check out whats going on. It feels like I am falling back 10 years in OS development. It cannot do anyhting better for normal and even advanced users. The only good thing about about Linux is, it is "safer" and less bloated and it is very strong on servers and embbeded systems. So very niche and specific usecases. Not for normal daily usage and work.
420% agree
Foobar2000 not having a Linux port or a 100% alternative after all these years is a travesty.
I was a hardcore Winamp user from Win95 through Win7 (that's when I jumped ship to Linux). Took me actual years to find a replacement I was happy with. There's a handful of Winamp imitations, but I finally settled for "deadbeef". Aside from the name, I'm very pleased with it.
Foobar does too much in one large program. That is the opposite of Unix philosophy. Everything foobar does can be done on Linux, it just takes multiple programs. I like that, I understand why non-technical people do not like it.
@@dominicdit What is "too much" in this case? Supporting multiple formats isn't exactly "too much" in my book. In fact, it's pretty darn nice to have a unified front end for a multitude of "format back ends".
But maybe you have a different gripe; I'm not too versed in Foobar myself.
@@dominicdit not all programs that run on unix-like operating systems have to follow the unix philosophy
@@dominicdit(whispers in your right ear) “wait until you learn blender.”
When groupie people marry proprietary vendors, solutions or specific technologies/niches (like digital music), they simply belong to those vendors.
Debian 12.5 using xfce. Using brave browser. Never been happier. Its like a modernized windows xp.
should i need windows, I multi boot via another ssd with windows 10 ltsc.
@@ecu4321window 10 ltsc and x11 are faster than Linux.
Is there are a reason go to with straight Debian rather than Ubuntu?
Using Ubuntu Studio, since I didn't have to bother installing many media apps. Plus I didn't know many of those apps existed.
@@potato9832 for my personal preference, i feel that Debian as the more pure distro and that it has more stable experience. i feel it's less bloated than other Debian-based distros.
I'm a film student who needs to edit videos very regularly, and I also make music in FL as a hobby. I also despise Windows. I used to use the Adobe suite but I cancelled my subscription and deleted my account after the TOS change controversy, so I'm on DaVinci Resolve instead of Premiere now, and even though there's DaVinci builds for Linux, it's not super straight forward to get it set up as they're meant for RHEL based distros, and I use an Arch based distro. I got it working through distrobox, but I don't feel confident in the reliability of that setup. As for FL, I got it working through Bottles (WINE frontend), but again, it's not a great workaround.
So what I've settled on is a dual boot setup, on two separate drives so that Windows updates don't break GRUB (linux bootloader), and then a VM on the Linux install with the Windows SSD passed through for storage. That way I can use Linux 99% of the time, as I much prefer the experience, and I can reboot into Windows if I wanna edit videos, make music, or do something that isn't supported on Linux. If I wanna update Windows but use my PC at the same time, or if I wanna do something in Windows that isn't as demanding as video editing or music creation, I can boot up the VM and mess about while still being booted into Linux. My Windows install also isn't a consumer build of Win10 or 11, it's Win10 LTSC, an enterprise edition of Win10 that will recieve security updates well past consumer Win10's end of life, and has much less bloatware and background telemetry on a fresh install.
Man were you being? I grew youtube with you, but then you move your own way and didn’t hear from you, happy to see you after so long!
As a full time Linux user; Linux still has a long way to go. But most importantly, the Linux community still has a long way to go. Linux distros have traditionally been for tinkerers, and it shows. If Linux is to ever become popular it needs to be convenient to use for those who don't consider operating systems a lifestyle. Only then we'll see commercial software natively supported on Linux in any significant capacity.
Disagree, if you don't want to you do not need to tinker with modern linux distros. Just use it out of the box.
@@lifebarier Sure, if all you want to do is to watch youtube and play Steamdeck-ready games every day, you can do that just fine out of the box.
@@PropaneWP Mind giving me examples of what you need to tinker with then? Unless you insist not using alternatives and try to force windows specific software - there is no reason to tinker.
@@lifebarier thats what this video is about, bro...
@@dangdudedan8756 My replies are to comment, not video, sis...
Probably gonna get flack, but I moved to MacOS in 2012 and never looked back. Since then I had a Mac Mini, iMac and now a Macbook Pro. I'm a graphic designer/artist working in Clip Studio Paint and it has met my needs and never had issues. It's a tightly controlled OS by Apple, sure, but for getting work done, it's a dream system. Retro games all work well via OpenEmu, and I even have a working Switch emulator which only fails if the game is too new and the devs haven't updated it yet. When it comes to Steam games, I use something called CrossOver which seems to work well, but not perfectly. I think with time it will improve. But I'm not a PC gamer anyhoo so for me it's not much of factor. If you're heavily invested into Steam then yeah I don't think I'd recommend MacOS. But for getting work done, any day of the week. And you can just go with the Mac Mini and it will serve well for years. You don't need to shell out so much money.
Mac OS for the win! Most stable!
Been a Mac user since the 90's, almost never had problems with it.
Ios and mac osx feels very clunky to me, but I can see how the usual customer would find it intuitive even, its just not for me, its too "do it the official way or you simply cant" sorta thing
I think many people are over locking the major issue. Many of the problem with Windows 11 deals with being connected to the internet. If you can use all your programs that you work on without the internet, than you don't need to change. You can use a Linux for the web and a Windows for working.
im still on 10. screw 11
@ActionGamerAaron It really depends on what you are doing. If yo are like me and don't need internet to run any of my programs, then I can stay on Wind10 and just disconnect from the net. Use another computer like a Linux one, to handle going online for things like email, shopping and such.
@@loyaltabk I am stick with 10 as well and will be looking in the different options for online security. I have been want to play around with Linux and do have a few old PCs.
@@DigitalPawWorkshop if I switch to 10 LTSC I have until 2032 to get used to Linux
@@loyaltabk I need to get around to trying it. I do have a Raspberry Pi running Raspbian, but that is for a digital picture frame. I need to go pull that old Dell board out of storage and see what I need to do to get it up and running Linux. But i am not ready to do it because I would want to record it for a video and I have six I am working on right now with two more I want to record real quickly.
I finally switched to Linux several years ago now when I started having the mentality that... "If I can't get it to work on Linux, then it does not exist." You can't expect Windows or Linux for that matter to change because of the reasons you have. Windows won't change because they know you will never leave. Linux won't get better in the way you want it to get better because you are not using it. Simple as that. I can't even count how many bugs I helped to solve or how many features I have requested get added to Linux things and projects... because I am actually using it, making the bug reports, requesting the features, using the software, and actually interacting with the community. Linux is a community project. If you are not part of it, actually using it, then it will not get better.
But by all means, many TH-camrs make a decent living of the constant up hill battle on debloating windows. I mean honestly it is endless content.
Mad respect to you man. Watched you in the early days and you taught me a lot. I've used Windows since the DOS3.X days. But I started with System 7 Macintosh Apple. So Unix. For more than ten years I've been removing Microsoft applications and gone open source. I fully agree with you all the games I play I mod. I also use video editing. Nobara ( based on Fedora) is my only recommendation for easy Davinci resolve installs. It might be time to do a Dual boot install with the best windows and distro together with a focus on how to transfer files easily to each folders. That pixel art is amazing!
The “Make it open source” plea is great, especially with good license that disallows forks from using the same name from existing (like gpl!)
That's the main thing many linux users have never fully understood. All the issues you listed are really fundamentally about application support. You have certain types of applications that are the reason why you are using a computer. Every person and industry also has a set of applications that they need, and it's all on windows. If you're a dentist then you need your PMS and xray software. A machine shop often needs special software for configuring those machines. Yes, many applications have been moving to cloud services, but every client I work with today still has things that take linux totally off the table.
It doesn't matter how many times the linux desktop is reimagined or how polished it is, or how user friendly it becomes if the software you need to run doesn't run. Steam made this more clear to some at least, considering the number of linux desktop users doubled in the last couple years for that reason alone. Ultimately the year of the linux desktop is when a distro can ship with better than 100% windows compatibility and commercially support that claim. Everything else is secondary, ease of use has *never* actually been the issue.
I don't see many people telling random dentists offices to drop Windows, because there's still obvious use cases where that may still be necessary, specifically legacy applications. But for your average user that doesn't do a lot of specific use cases out of their computer, maybe they would be better off considering instead of endlessly complaining about Windows becoming enshittified (The cycle of Windows users saying the latest one is the worst one ever, just for the next one to drop and for them to say the previous one was "better").
For your average schmuck that only browses the web and watches videos, you'd ironically give them a better time with a Chromebook, iPad, or an Android device rather than Windows, especially if they don't have an adblock and keep clicking random crap that gives them malware. Yes, for specific use cases, that may be the case, but that also doesn't apply to a fair chunk of people.
It's impossible to make it 100% windows compatible unless you get windows source code somewhere. Thus windows is in better position because it can emulate linux just fine with wsl, or just recompile open-source software like Thunderbird or GIMP for windows.
WSL is just a linux virtual machine with some fancy integration. Regardless of how hard it is it's what needs to happen. It's not impossible. Though hardly a fair comparison, think about all the console emulators out there that are actually better than the original systems thanks to the features and ease of use they add around the core ability to run the games.
@@SergeyVolkov Even if you get it, you cant look at it or you'll get sued.
Windows source code has already been leaked, but none of the people who develop wine are ever allowed to look at it.
@@entelin What you need is for everyone who doesn't need any Windows exclusives to switch to Linux. That alone would create such a huge shift in marketshare that Linux will become a prime target for app developers.
Thank you Logan for giving Linux an honest shot. I hope you'll give it another try a few years later, with the knowledge you've gathered it should be simpler and take less time. Debian 12 is great for stability but for stuff like Wayland you may want the latest systems packages because this stuff is still seeing rapid development and lots of bugfixing every day.
I think linux would advance much quicker if it had more feedback and support from creative people but as has been tradition, the analytical and tinkerers crowd is overrepresented and so the discussions skew naturally towards that end.
I've been looking a lot at Manjaro, openSUSE, and Fedora this week... so I might switch to one of those on my laptop, because I'm getting really frustrated with a few programs that are giving me hell.
@@teksyndicateManjaro is, unfortunately, run by somewhat irresponsible people, and there's been some major problems with it in the past. It's not something I can really recommend.
Fedora, meanwhile, is more or less what I use, but to be honest, you're going to run into media codec issues right away because of legal reasons, and the fixes can take a fair bit of work. I'm personally on Nobara, which is fedora based and handles that stuff automatically, but is also a smaller community which means you can't really rely on Google for support.
Heard good things about OpenSuse, but I've never actually used it myself.
I wish I could just say to use Mint because it's by far the easiest but they're still on pulseaudio, and since you've got so much music stuff going on you'll really benefit from something that uses Pipewire for audio.
A problem I have with Linux distros right now is that even though you've got a million choices each and every one of them seems to have a caveat somewhere.
@@teksyndicatea good list but be careful with Manjaro, they have a bad reputation because of past amateurish mistakes.
@@teksyndicate Give CachyOS and Nobara a look. I'd advise against Manjaro, as the devs are bad to forget to renew their certs every couple months and it's annoying.
@@teksyndicate I've been watching too much Linux stuff, so just passing the collected info along, openSUSE and Nobara (based on Fedora but with focus on content creation and gaming working out of the box, with custom patches) sound good. Manjaro has issues. For an Arch-based distro, EndeavorOS or Garuda are more recommended.
If you need wine for music player, stick with windows. Wine shouldn't be default thing to go to. Native apps should be the first thing to go for.
Adobe wont be an industry standard anymore pretty soon, in fact the move had already started since way before the changes and lawsuit
I have 2000+ games in my steam library, only 14 of them are borked.
How many of those 14 have kernel-level anticheat?
It's not about games it's about making money. With proprietary software and games if you're being payed for playing.
I only play about 4 games regularly. 3 of them are completely borked on linux. Here's a curveball even: they're not online multiplayer games.
But other than that, yeah, games usually do work.
@@Kolyasisan Which ones are those? Genuinely curious
@@mr.dingleberry4882 home versions of beatmania IIDX, sound voltex and DDR. Some fellas of mine even own an offline Rootage cabinet, and that one doesn't work either.
DJMax Respect V and EZ2ON work though, but those needed quite a bit of tweaks and troubleshooting to work on linux, which is fun.
Great breakdown. I'm in a similar awkward poweruser spot (though much less skilled). I'm sure 90% of my workflow ports to linux in some way, but the last 10% just doesn't, and of the "some way" for the previous 90%, it comes at some serious costs.
There's just the initial context switching, which kinda sucks, even though I've gotten used to that over the years, but then there's allll the little sacrifices you get to make. At one point in time I used Excel seriously for my career, and not just the few features that everyone uses, but some of the heavy lifting stuff. Libre office calc, at least at that time, wasn't even close.
I'm sure some of it was teething issues on my end (again context switching), but there were just functionalities that Excel was miles ahead of at the time. And that's before you get to the simple fact that your office environment is accepting xlsx only.
Sure I could dual boot or whatever, but there's LOTS of these little edge cases. If you want to stream, browse the web, and play some games, linux is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was.
The professional (obviously outside of areas like servers) and hobby landscape though almost always runs into a boatload of issues.
And you 100% nailed the 'i want the OS out of my way' attitude. I program for a living and while i'm ass at it compared to many, I at least know how to handle debugging, testing, digging into repo issue lists, and so on. Everytime I try to switch to linux it reminds me of those windows 98-00 days where "oops yeah you got this card and this game it maybe it should work but something isn't so now you're hunting and maybe you'll find that forum post explaining your unique issue and...."
I don't miss that, like at all. Linux, unfortunately, walks into those weeds way more than just running Windows or Mac these days. It's fine if you're super comfortable in the environment and like doing that sort of thing, but I really don't want to have to do the internet Easter egg hunt because oops that one thing I wanted to tinker with isn't really quite compatible.
To be honest, I think this story is applicable for computing in general. I worked with a team that refurbished hundreds of PC's from 2012-2017, and sometimes driver issues would come up where I had to go on an adventure to find that one forum post with the answer or the elusive link.
For my part the thing that finally facilitated a nearly 100% switch was giving up on bare metal. VMs with passthrough and drive images on a genuinely fast SSD ended up making the unavoidable fuss a lot less painful (with the hypervisor to drop back to when SHTF) and functionality equivalent to dual booting but with even less interference between each other than having physically independent drives.
Agreed. I use windows VM for work, and its much more useful than dual-booting.
How do you set that up?
I think VMs are a big thing for it, but it does take some serious setting up that might beyond what a lot of people are likely to be doing. For some of it it seems like you need some slightly more expensive hardware, for the motherboard specifically and possibly making sure to have integrated graphics +GPU, or a second graphics card. Otherwise idk if it can work but it'd probably be a lot harder. But that's what I'm aiming for for those special cases. VM to run stuff in a way that it looks like a normal window in the OS, that just happens to be in a VM. I still think there's difficulty when it needs to communicate with other programs outside the VM though, which could take hacky workarounds (if doable).
@@Aeroxima You can have shared clipboard (2-directional) and shared folders. Also VM's IP address is accessible. USB devices can be linked directly to a VM, including crypto keys. Basic 3D acceleration works just good enough to run 3D modelling software, and it doesn't require a second GPU. Though if you want full-speed 3D, you have to install a dedicated GPU for that. So most complaints like "cant run winword, cant run photoshop, cant run visual studio" are covered just fine, in cost of extra RAM while the VM is running. Still, competitive gamers have to dual boot.
@@SergeyVolkov Something more specific in my case is running Unity for gamedev. There aren't a lot of code editors that support it well, it's mostly Rider (paid, no longer free for early access), VSCode, and visual studio. (Maybe some others with plugins and extra work.) If I run visual studio in a VM, I'm not sure how that would work with Unity unless it was also in the VM. I'm still not sure how to set this up yet, I haven't looked into it deeply.
I might end up just using VSCode in native Linux, but even in Windows I have problems with it (minor ones but still). I mostly just care about it having proper intellisense (or whatever it's called), for Unity objects. But debugging might be good later in too.
I can list you a full suite of linux creative application.
Gimp: Photo editing (don't complain about gimp's ui. If you learned photoshop before gimp, gimp's ui will obviously feel counter intuitive)(if you learned gimp first, photoshop's ui would look weird. Gimp's ui is not great but if you learn to use it, it is almost as powerful as photoshop. You could also add plugins)
Darktable(alternative to lightroom)(even more powerful)
Kdenlive (alternative to premiere pro)(lacks premade template and need some plugins for ultra advanced features)
Blender (3d graphics and vfx)(industry standard)
FreeCAD ( free CAD software)
Natron (aftereffects alternative)
Inkscape (illustrator alternative)
OBS studio (Broadcasting software)
Ardour (advanced audio editing)
Audacity (audio editing)
There are like more but I am lazy to mention. Reply if you need an alternative to something else.
All of these are fully free to use and modify and even redistribute.
15:39 Blackthorne. That's awesome 😀
Edit: respect for a variety of taste in music. The Bubblegum Crisis OST is a guilty pleasure of mine.
On modding - if you have done it once you remember how to do it forever. You mention widescreen patches as an example. In 99.9% of the cases it's as simple as setting a dll override via WINEDLLOVERRIDES env variable to use the native version. By default wine tries to use builtin dlls for better compatibility with their environment and that's why some of them aren't loaded without explicitly specifying the override.
env variables? In this video? In this comments section? Are you crazy?
(Kinda funny when to remember Wendell started in this channel.)
I don't think you have the right to call Wayland "half-baked for 15 years" when it's run on Debian. For them it's couple of years less. I will accept "half-baked for 10 years".
half baked for 16 years
@teklynkvideos No, that is not correct. Is the existence of WINE and Proton the proof that Linux is not ready and Windows is better? XWayland exist because Wayland and X11 are not the same thing. They do not work in the same way, thus a compability layer is needed for old Software that does not support Wayland.
@teklynkvideos I can give you a short answer, but I recomend that you consult other sources that can give you a more complete answer (DJWare has a good video about it).
From my point of view, the two main issues that Wayland tackles are they way X11 protocol is structure and the sheer size of X11 that makes it very difficult to mantain at this point. Related to the first point are the security issues (any program connected to X11 can get the keystrokes or other input values) and the latency (mean for servers, so there is a lot of overhead and unnecesary interactions for modern desktop). Related to the second one we have the lack of modern features like HDR (there is one for wayland by Valve). There are other issues with X11 like the fact that there is no real multi-monitor support and if you have monitors with different refresh rate you are limited to the lower one.
Wayland may not be ready for everyone yet and some development may be slower than it should, but it is for now the only path forward of the linux desktop, since X11 would not be supported or developt anymore (at least, that seems to be the case).
@teklynkvideos I can give you a short answer, but I recommend that you check other sources (DJ Ware has a nice video about it).
In my opinion, Wayland is trying to solve two main issues with X11. The first one is the structure. X11 was built when most of the processing took place in a server or mainframe that you connected to using terminals. Because of this, there is a lot of overhead and communication between processes that is not needed in a modern desktop environment. The second one is the sheer size of X11, which makes it very difficult to maintain. I believe the rest of the problems that X11 has are derived from these two. Like the lack of security (in X11, all programs can get the values from input devices even if you are interacting with a different application), latency, lack of modern features like HDR (there is an implementation for Wayland), or no real multimonitor support (X11 kind of hacks is way around it, which results in limitations like only being able to use the lower refresh rate of all the monitors).
Wayland may not be ready for everyone yet, and the development might be slower than it should in some areas, but for now, it is the only path forward for the Linux desktop since X11 is not going to be supported aside from security patches.
@teklynkvideos zero, they are reinventing the wheel instead of improving the wheel.
Musician here. The same goes for my reason to switch over to Linux 100%. All of my premium plugins don't work. I'm more in the progressive metal area and all of my paid-for amp simulators, drum libraries, etc, don't work or barely at all. Examples would be Neural DSP's library, most of the Kontakt libraries I use like GetGoodDrums, etc.
And I'm also someone that uses Reaper! Surprisingly the native version of Reaper is worse than running the Windows version through Wine.
I make metal music with my dad and my Perfect Drum Player VST do not work & crash instently. That's why i'm forced to stay Windows for this job.
Windows is garbage and Im trying to transition too. What annoys me is that thes linux distros dont focus much on the new user experience. If they want mass adoption, the devs need to realize this.
Not related to the video content, but I love that you have the Lego Spyrius Robo-Guardian on your desk. That was one of my first big Lego gifts I got when I was a kid. I still have that set (and many others from that era).
As a gamer, the ONLY thing keeping me on Windows is VR. I know about ALVR and tried it but either because of my Wifi or maybe its my Quest 3...linux and my headset do not like each other. Outside of that, I'm so happy to mostly be a Linux user now.
I haven't tried VR ( quest 2 ) on linux, but I think using a direct wire connection, might work.
@@Sebastian-bo7vj doesn't matter with a Quest headset. They don't have any video port at all. When you use a cable, it just sends the compressed image same as when you do it wirelessly. It just does it more reliably (depending on the cable)
@@ZedDevStuff sad, I will find a way though
Exact same situation, but with the quest 2. Haven't had success with streaming to the headset over wifi using linux yet. Would keep trying but at some point its like how much time in the day is there? Pros and cons. But for absolutely everything else I do, linux is a perfect system for me. But I just don't wanna give up the vr hahaha. Something awesome about laying in bed with a headset on, screen "floating" above you with your favorite game on it, without an annoying ass tether etc. I use Chris Titus' winutil script to take out some of the most annoying things about windows etc. but it still sucks having to use garbage.
You can use the majority of music production VSTs in Linux with something like yabridge, but there are a few (IME about 5%) that don't work.
Saying "profiting bad" grossly over simplifies what's actually happened here as there are plenty of profitable companies that treat their customers very well. But especially in Microsoft and Google's case, they're primarily driven by power and control at this point, which you can never get enough of. They see the population as numbers and statistics, which is the endgame of all the "ism's"
Bro, Rock On!
Nice to have in the Linux community. I do agree with the blockers you've mentioned and they are all valid.
I do hope the music production side in Linux will get to a place where software dev, os tweaking, and gaming (almost) is right now. Using Windows as the OS is quite the pain point, but once, as you've said, all your tools are launched you are in the application layer and no longer interacting with the OS layer.
Thanks for trying and I hope you'll bestow us with more of these informative feedback in the future. Glad to know that some of the things that work for you, you *have* given them your all and tried to make them work.
"Most people don't use a computer for an operating system, they use it for the applications." So perfectly describes the disconnect between Linux fanatics and regular people.
Linbro: all you need to do is X, Y, and Z. Then try A, maybe X again, and also throw away your $800 Nvidia card and buy an inferior AMD GPU with fewer features, then linux will run great!
Normie: OK. That sounds like a pain, but I think I can manage that. After I get through all that, how do I get photoshop running?
Linbro: You don't!
Normie: Oh.... Ok, so then why should I fuck around with Linux, again?
Linbro: BECAUSE FOSS, DRM, PROPRIETARY EVIL, M$ = SHITTY, GNU, SUDO, FREEDOM, LIBRE, PRIVACY-
Normie: OK, but how am I supposed to do my job?
Linbro: Use this FOSS alternative that does not even come anywhere close to having the feature parity, compatibility, documentation, available extensions, UI, UX, stability, or developer support as the thing you're replacing!
Normie: But I collaborate with a bunch of other people, I need to be able to work in the same ecosystem.
Linbro: PURGE THE UNBELIEVERS FROM YOUR LIFE! QUIT YOUR FOUL WINDOWS-ENSLAVED JOB, DIVORCE YOUR WIFE AND HER CURSED IMAC, AND JOIN US IN THE PROMISED LAND!
Normie: */has disconnected*
"I play all my games no problem with steams proton compatibility layer."
Good for you. Unfortunately other peoples games don't.
Tbh, sometimes I need to tinker. But if you look at the protondb webpage and look at your game, people will post steps on how to get it running.
I've been wanting to switch to Linux recently, but I also need to use Adobe software for work, and Ableton for music.
It really sucks that these companies are not releasing Linux versions, it feels like you're being kept hostage in windows.
One common way around this is to use Linux as your daily driver and have Windows available in a VM. Mac users used to do this too (before more software was ported to the Mac).
@@blahdelablah How you can use Premiere Pro in a VM??
By setting up a Windows VM with sufficient resources to use Adobe Premier Pro. If you're using Linux and want advice about setting up a VM for this purpose just let me know.
@@blahdelablah And how you want to use GPU, nvidia cuda, etc?
@@pantarei. You can use GPU acceleration with VMs.
I've been saying this for decades. Unfortunately the Linux fanatics ALWAYS say that I'm not trying hard enough or too demanding. They turned me off of Linux completely, to the point of not even wanting to consider it any longer.
Linux is great if you are doing a few dedicated things like data science etc. I love Linux and I have been using it for data processing, computer vision etc for 15+ years. I still just get happy booting it up every time. But when you do "creatives" you end up hosed so fast its not even fun. Even software that runs natively like Blender is just so much more weird and twitchy and buggy and you end up pissing away sooo much time trying to solve all the issues. And don't even start trying to run WINE etc, it's just not worth the time. I have a windows partition and a MacBook Pro that solve all the issues when I need to rum Blender, Davinci, Affinity, FL Studio, etc. Tinkering with Linux to get all these things running is just not worth the time unless you enjoy the process of course.
I've been thinking of swapping to Linux lately, but after watching this and discovering foobar you've convinced me to stay on windows. I've used itunes for years because it was the only thing I knew about that let me search just from looking at album art which is what I'm used to since I still have an old Ipod classic. Seems that feature is in foobar so I'm going to have to swap over to that soon. I'll check out your playlist for it.
2 things stopping me
FL Studio and third party VST's
Adobe Suite
You CAN use Linux, but you need to learn a little more. I have two solutions for you, one of which I personally implement and is much easier to use, and one of which is more seamless and smooth, but also more costly. Here are your solutions:
1. Dual-boot Linux. This is what I do. It is not very expensive, especially if you have the free space on a hard drive already. Either use free space on an existing hard drive, preferably an SSD, or use a new hard drive. Get Balena etcher or Rufus (or ventoy if you're a distro hopper) and install an easy distro like Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Mint.
Pros: Easy to do, relatively inexpensive
Cons: When you need to switch operating systems, you will need to reboot
2. Virtualization - specifically, KVM/Qemu. It is free, you just need to make sure Virtualization and IOMMU are enabled in your motherboard settings. Then, you'd install kvm/qemu, and virtualize Windows through it. You can either do Single GPU passthrough with hook scripts (very difficult), or you can do dual-GPUs and pass through one of them (easy, but costly). If you do that, you will only have about 1-3% performance decrease at maximum when you have it all set up right.
Pros: You don't need to reboot to switch operating systems. You only need to launch an app called "Virtual Machine Manager" (the app name for KVM/Qemu) and launch Windows through it. Once done with windows, you simply shut it down in VMM.
Cons: Harder to set up than dual booting.
A few tips:
-Don't worry about distros. Try as many as you like, but pick the one you are most comfortable with. I liked Kubuntu in the beginning. Now I run Arch linux.
-I highly recommend trying dual booting first. It is much easier.
-Only use Windows when you need it for those apps. Do not browse the web or play any game on Windows that you can play on Linux.
-Do not be afraid of Linux, it is not complicated, it is just new.
"Only use Windows when you need it for those apps. Do not browse the web or play any game on Windows that you can play on Linux." why
Dual boot is a good approach. I try to shut off as many units needed bios options as possible so using a virtual machine won't work for me.
Right now my issue with linux is that there are just so many of these little issues that appear between each application or game when using Linux. Scaling, stuttering, audio. It feels random between each program I use. Windows is still the most compatible in the long run. I think steamOS may lead the way to forcing better future compatability but i rarely boot into Linux any more.
> -Don't worry about distros. Try as many as you like, but pick the one you are most comfortable with. I liked Kubuntu in the beginning. Now I run Arch linux.
This can never be understated. Soooo many people seem to get stuck on "yeah but there are so many versions, what should I use?" They're all pretty much the same. Literally just use Ubuntu or Mint unless there's a compelling reason for you not to (I've heard complaints about Ubuntu and privacy, maybe?) Arch is great but it's a pain to initially install, but newbies want to go to it because "it's the best/most l33t one".
I use ubuntu at work and arch at home, and honestly, it's the same core experience. Just arch is more annoying to set up. Just install Ubuntu and pick the desktop environment that looks prettiest to you.
@dangdudedan8756: you asked "why use Linux for things that work on both". Reason is because you should optimize linux above windows as it respects your privacy more, and also to get more used to Linux over time. I would *definitely* use only linux for web browsing.
Multiple monitors even with different resolutions work very well. On Debian 12 as well as on Fedora. I can only talk KDE though. Are you using gnome?
kde multimonoter is like the gold standerd.
I'll try KDE. The last time I tried was gnome (on my main PC) and I prefer KDE I think... I run a weird setup. From left to right: Vertical monitor 1200x1920, main display 3840x1600, right monitor 2560x1600, side CRT 1280x960. I turn my chair when I want to use the CRT... it's on a side table with usb hub that's connected to a second mouse and keyboard. Works great for old games.
@@teksyndicate you relly wont have problems if you are running amd. nivida can still make gamers cry on linux.
@@teksyndicate I only run 2 at the moment:
Resolution: 1920x1080, 3840x2160 but no issues. I had 3 a while ago, worked fine too.
And does it remember the size AND position of the last time the window for an application is used? I have three monitors and routinely run six or more applications in certain positions and sizes. This works fine for Windows 10. I don't want to lose this feature.
Dude, you're a solid artist. Pixel art, music, animation, games. Keep it up
I talk about your albums endlessly. Even play them as background music in specific music venues. I use them in my home endlessly. Your music is cool.
Linux is really trying my patience right now 😡 I do not want to use to use Windows for just one program, but at the same time I've borked my Linux install 3 times in a week, twice completely borked to a point I lost the hard drive and everything went corrupted 🤦 Fedora won't load now, Bluetooth just broke for some odd reason on the main install, and file management is becoming unmanageable with these super slow tranfer soeeds. I'm trying to transfer GB and its moving single digit MB 😡 come on already. Simple things are broken out of the box here quite a lot too. Everything I have to modify something to make it work, some even require I write a script, like no, just fkn work already 🙄
This is my main issue with Linux. Most software doesn't work unless you do a notable portion of the work that the developers should have done. One capable developer spending a few hours to fix basic functionality would save who knows how many people hours of browsing random forums trying to fix what the devs are too lazy to fix.
FL Studio looks a lot like LMMS. Would you be willing to do a comparison video of the two? It might be helpful to the LMMS developers if they knew what users need. Maybe some of those plugins could be cloned, too.
+1
I switched to linux, I enjoy it but I do have things that frustrate me. I'm trying to learn my ways around them.
I was hugely into modding skyrim, oblivion, morrowind, etc... now I can get things like MO2 to work in Linux but I hate having to jump through so many hoops just to get things to "just work"
Like I said it's not to bash linux, it's just a lot of learning and work arounds.
Maybe VM with GPU passthrough?
This . VM with GPU pass through. You say it like its a first nature to do. Unless it has become easier to do, most of these solutions require at least 2 GPUs last I checked.
@@Theehannle It seems integrated graphics count, so pretty much any AM5 CPU comes with it. Might need the motherboard to support it too, idk if some don't
So I dual booted for a while, but I used Windows less and less. On 7 this was fine, but on 10 it started freaking out (running really slowly even after all updates) requiring a clean install when I only used it once every 6 months. One thing that drove me into Linux was how much more modular everything was with core components being swappable to your liking without installing a new OS, and while I don't claim to be an expert another thing that drove me in is that every thing is open source. At first I used to this to compile depericared software I still used from source, but lately I've been getting more bold and modifying things before compiling. Like recently I download FSV (a clone of the real 3D file manager featured in Jurassic park), but out of the box it didn't support double clicking to open files so I looked at the source code and patched it in.
As for gaming and mods my only issues I've had is some new mods have install scripts that are tricky to use with wine, but dragging and dropping files work fine (even widescreen ones) and some devs not request proton support for the anti cheat (battleye and easy anti cheat run in proton if the dev sends an email requesting it), this works by battleye/easy anti cheat actually have a native linux builds and proton redirects the calls to those.
For the creative part I don't pretend to be creative, but there is fair bit of plugins for the opensource music software. Just might require digging around.
I personally have no trouble with multi monitor support on Debian 12 for the most part (cave story+ gets confused and tries to extend across all monitors unless I set it to window mode in the graphics settings and have IceWM externally fullscreen it with alt-F11), but I have an Nvidia card and last time I did a clean install it switched me to x11 when I installed the real Nvidia drivers.
While I don't entirely agree with every argument here, I do agree that it does not make sense for a lot, dare I say most, people to switch. I daily drive Linux on everything, I have taken the time to find all of my alternatives and build enough understanding to have a stable and working system. I don't see that as any different from Windows. Someone who is comfortable with Windows has already figured out working around it's quirks and troubleshooting it's stability problems to the point where it's second nature. Moving to Linux means restarting often decades of work on that front with no real gain on the otherside from a usability or productivity stand point for the average person.
I think the biggest issue with Linux is that it CAN be better and more performant at everything individualy. But when you try to balance out the table so that it performs good across the board as a generalized system, you run into issues. It CAN process audio significanly faster than Windows *with an optimized kernel*. It CAN run games at higher framerates and less stutter with the right software and *a different kernel*. But that's just it, what if you want to process audio faster and game faster? Not an option (I'm oversimplifying significantly)
We're making really big strides in recent years to improve that situation just as we always have. Linux is becoming a daily driver for a very large portion of our youth in the form of Chromebooks (unfortunately). That may see a small shift, but at the end of the day when you go to the store and ask the sales person to help you find a laptop, they're going to bring you to a Mac. Where you will promptly turn it down for the price tag and then they'll bring over a Windows PC.
Asking someone to switch to Linux is like asking a Coke enjoyer to switch over to Pepsi. Why would they when they like Coke, it's readily available, and it's what McDonalds offers?
Everyone knows what the Windows button is, no one knows what a Super key is.