Im a long time UAD user and it started to feel like a key that didn’t fit anymore. So I searched and searched and nothing really checked all the boxes in my price range. I looked into apogee even audient. And learned the reason they are not moving / improving is because they dont have to. Competition is when we benefit as a customer and there is not much of that again (in our price range) Until barry got me on RME. i never even heard of them. So after years of research I recently moved to the RME UFX III and I dont feel the limitations or technical roadblocks I did with UAD. I even got the ferrofish pulse 16 too and it just feels like a marriage that makes sense. A learning curve but a marriage nonetheless. Any how Thx Mr Johns, Thank you!!
I got the RME UFX IIII as well. I pre-ordered (three weeks ago) the new RME M-1620 Pro. It has 16 ins and out with MADI/Milan (AVB) and Adat. It should be here in SEP24. I did have a Ferrofish A32pro but took it back in time for a refund. I have no complaints with Ferrofish. I wanted all my gear to match. The RME M-1620 Pro I believe is going to be awesome!!
@@ZeroG I wish I was that special to RME. HAHA. No I wanted people to know about the new RME, They are also coming out with the new Firenet line of interfaces
Agreed, BUT depends on the console. The majority of modern consoles have and support Dante cards including their stage boxes. Only older Digico systems primarily use MADI. Dante is considered the standard now.
Then every console at every venue you use is a Yamaha. Digico uses MADI and opticore primarily. Avid used AVB Soundgrid is also part of many live shows. There are many protocols out there and while Dante rocks! It’s not the only player…
@@manuaudiomix A&H consoles also support Dante cards, and the majority of venues I work in have opted for A&H (SQ/D-Live/Avantis). AVB also has its uses for certain consoles. Primarily I see Dante.
Midas uses AES50 (Dante is optional), and a lot of Consoles use their own protocol (Alllen & Heath uses DSnake) or MADI. Digico uses Opticore and MADI, I think only Yamaha uses Dante standard and I think that is only on the newest (maybe the generation before the DM) console generation. It's an expansion card in every other mixer I can think of. Stupid Presonus uses AVB.
@@manuaudiomixalmost every console platform in the live world has a Dante option card. Especially once you get into backend systems. It is a primary player in the live world, almost on par with MADI. Not sure why you think it’s limited to Yamaha consoles.
Ua should give us something like a SSl Big six & Tascam model 24. A small console with their modeling pre's and built in interface. Make it linkable like there interfaces so you can have the channel count you need. Give the market that and you'll have small studios/advanced home studios putting consoles in their studios, and you can use as a standalone mixer for live!
I loved the Digi002 & 003... I also have had the Control 24 and C24... The Avid S4 is cool but extremely overpriced to ONLY be a control surface... if UA could do this - I see a lot of people hoping onboard
Intended market as you mentioned. But this is the first time they’ve done anything specifically aimed at live audio afaik. This is competition to waves in the live audio processing, and yes we care, perhaps not to how “authentic” the 1176 is but how well it works and how many of them we can use. We don’t just want the general compressor and the built in plugins in digital mixers are not always that great.
@@marklholloway We don’t deploy Dante devices in a way that would allow that. They are rack mounted and an IO panel is added to the front or rear. Also the switch used is typically not fitted with ethercon either. It’s a non issue in a professional environment.
To me this is like demanding new shiny features for the next version of my refrigerator or vacum cleaner. The main question should be: is there a problem that needs to be solved. If converters are good - why changing them? Audio interfaces are not neccessarily devices to be updated every couple of years but those who don‘t have one, also need to have sth. they can buy.
If your music or mixes suck these days, it's not due to the conversion quality. I don't know anyone that can tell the difference between a song mixed on UAD, LYNX, Apogee, Burl etc when the mix is complete. Anyone whining about conversion would better spend their time seeking the flat edge of the earth.
So people don’t need better conversion quality because YOU can’t hear the difference? Anyone whining about conversion not being important may be better suited getting new ears instead of gear… may as well just put a sock over ur microphone cause phuck it, who’s gonna hear it!?!? Bahahahahahaha
@@erickarge1838 Your restating of my comment is anything but accurate and not what I was saying. Its a straw man argument that changes 100% of what I said, pretend it's what I said then it's knocked down with logic. All based on a false assumption. Can I send you three mixes, one done via UAD, one through my Burl and one dumped to 2" tape and back into Pro Tools and have you identify the conversion source on each? There is differences in conversion quality but in this day and age, it's not the cause of a shitty mix. Most consumers are streaming shit quality songs through bluetooth earbuds. The recordings studios conversion is anything but the problem in today's music.
100. I saw this launch and struggled to imagine who this product is for. The amount of processing that it can do is pretty underwhelming, and the only analog I/O is the monitor out. 4k to run 16 channels of their plugins on a Dante box? Who was asking for this?
I’d say Mega Churches with big budgets with 100k-1M+ setups where $3K a pop is not a show stopper as well as high-ticket acts that were already using UAD for their live setup.
@@danielgaudet6114 Yup.....sometimes, we get so caught up in seeing why we won't use it that we don't understand that it actually might fit the bill for others.
YEA I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WILL HELP ME IN WHAT I DO. THUS FAR I CONTEND ITS NOT FOR ME AND MY SMALL SETUP AT ALL. BARRY PLEASE TELL US WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IN A NEW BOCX FROM UNIVERSAL AUDIO?
90% of all my audio work takes place OUTSIDE of a DAW. Therefore, RME and Total Mix FX are the absolute bee's knees. DSP interfaces in my book will continue to be in demand for quite a while.
I think UAD has its place - for a midrange prosumer-ish tracking rig. It's probably not the direction I would go if I wanted to do that, but I can see the appeal. The draw is having cost-effective preamp sims, eq/comp on the way in, and comfort reverb. UAD is not the only offering, but it is viable. And there absolutely is something to be said for front-loading some of the decision making and committing to sounds before you hit record - limitations inspire creativity and simplify your workflow. For my purposes....there are a couple specific plugins that I like (and run native), and that's about it. The modeling mics probably would appeal to me if I was starting out with the exact right midrange budget in mind....but again, for my purposes, I just don't need them. But...I pretty much exclusively do mastering and a little bit of mixing, and I'm 100% sold on my ITB tools for both. All I really need is pristine conversion to my monitoring, and I have that.
@@ancestralmemories right lol! My x6 is stellar…are folks starting to just complain for “more” just for the sake of something new? Or do this many people actually need more/new interfaces
@@alborzmousapour3446 I test with my tape machines (Otari MX5050, Studer A710). When it gets converted to DAW, I compare how realistic it sounds compared to the real analog tape playback. There is not a better test, than how accurately it reproduces analog sound. It reproduces it perfectly, with no difference in between the real tape and digital copy. The X16 analog conversion to digital, is incredible. I do not need to compare to the RME ufx3 to know it is incredible. Enjoy your new shiny object.
To me, at this point it’s like looking every 6 months or year for new tvs that Samsung and LG have made… how much better can it really be at this point lol. Love and appreciate your insight Barry, but I and colleagues of mine have made radio/tv/film used songs with Apollo twins and lesser. Keep making great music everyone! Easy to get caught up in looking for new toys. And I think Mr. John’s has said as much in the past and would agree
I use Focusrite 2nd gen 18i20 with an octopus for extra inputs. I would like to upgrade to an interface with low latency, one of my flagship synths outputs at 96KHz. Was thinking of RME as I feel UAD is too expensive for me and I already have 2 UAD satellite boxes. What can you guys recommend me ? I mostly do electronic music with outboard synthesizers and my biggest pain point is latency and latency when I play/record my synths live (using a MacBook Pro).
As a UA loyalist and user; hearing about that "new" box was disappointing... that felt like something that could've been done by making an upgradable install card... Giving us the same old shark processing technology is crazy
It’s because there are a ton of better platforms than Sharc atm for low latency DSP processing. Not to mention a complete rewrite of code. People keep complaining about this have never seen a modern DSP offering outperform Sharc. That just want something new. Until there are chips that can out perform Sharc on multiple processes at once for audio we won’t see new devices from any manufacturer do this.
A few years ago UA came with a box for Live with MADI connectivity. It had a different interface to access it. And when it was demoed to us, I mentioned to their distributors that they should have connectivity options of MADI/Dante/AVB so live engineers could integrate into their existing IO workflow. Now this limits it to only Dante, of course that can be inegrated into existing Dante systems, but those that have existing live consoles with MADI(Digico) or AVB(Avid), they would need to spend thousands to get Dante into their systems as well as one of the UAD Dante box. From where I come from I don't see this happening. In fact this looks exactly like their earlier MAD box changed to Dante.
I like your videos! You're really honest. Not every product is "great sounding, very affordable....must have!" And you name it! Normally nearly all product videos reviews on YT sound too nice (sponsored by the manufacturer). Thanks :-)
This one is made for live, so I don’t understand your disappointment. At live volume, converters and old plugin are enough good for any live situation.
Gotta say I agree…I’ve watched the video and while the “disappointment” stance is Barry’s right to his opinion….this seems excessive. If theyre not pushing it as their new flagship hardware or something like that…whats the big deal lol. He admits in the video that “we’re spoiled”. Think there’s a lot of us that get really caught up in new toys and forget that more times than not the tools we have are good enough. Let’s make music. Side note, they updated the UA console and it’s really clean and cool to see the actually plugin scenes…quality of life change I guess lol
Dante is a welcomed addition. The notion that it’s a long time overdue is fair, but it adds a necessary feature set for broadcast and I can now use UA directly in commercial environments without any intermediate adaptation etc. I’m glad for it.
if there's a better alternative, concerning a setup using quality plug ins in a live situation with preferably almost no latency, rugged, reliable, portable easy to setup, and 'affordable', please share with us, i think expectation have to conform to what it's designed for, i think this is UA adapting their product for a market where there is demand, not so much as wanting to improve it.
I use my apollo rig 2x x8P + 4x in a synth/drummachine studio. Mainly electronica/techno/house music. As a controller for the uad console i use an old softube fader and the new console1 channel. Its like using a digital mixer. All of my jam sessions happen without the daw opened. The whole dsp thing is still very relevant for me, since i dont have outboard processing gear. I use different channel strips with eqs on the inserts and timebased effects on the sends. Once iam happy with the jam and overall sound, i start up my daw and hit record. I love this workflow and honestly, i dont want it to change anytime soon. This x16D Box…i dont know.
What i see when i go places is the workflow with console, it works and people dont like change. When i got an apollo i knew it wasnt apogee or rme but that workflow with console became fluid to me and everyone uses it as well, kinda reminds me of how people feel about pro tools. They may not make another box but i cant aee why they want to when nothing matches console (i also use windows). When a company can one up the console app i feel that is when they are going to make a new box.
madi is over btw, it's either optocore or milan avb right now in pro live audio. dante is abundant but not audio focused like in the avb protocole. check meyer, l-a and d&b if you want to have an insight...
I had an Apollo x8p. And honestly? I genuinely loved it, apart from the latency. It sounded great. It was a Thunderbolt interface, and the latency was extremely high compared to the competition. But aside from that, I loved the unison preamps, I loved the plugins, I loved being able to run 4-6 distressor plugins on the way in, which was awesome for drums. But ... I use a lot of plugins, I play electronic drumkits, amp sims, all the rest of it... so I sold it. I did regret it for a long time to be honest. I was using a combination of a Presonus Quantum and an Antelope Audio Discrete 8 Pro. Both of which could do 3.2ms round trip latency. But recently I switched to an RME UFXII, and it is utterly fantastic. I no longer regret selling the Apollo x8p. I'm gonna sell the Quantum and the Discrete 8 to fund some additional ADAT I/O for the UFXII.
They are pretty clear as to what they are trying to do. They are not reinventing the wheel: "Perfect for live sound venues or networked recording studios, Apollo x16D gives you elite-class Apollo X sound and realtime UAD plug-in processing over Thunderbolt and Dante. With Apollo x16D, you can mix and record live performances with over 200 UAD plug-ins from Neve, SSL, and Auto-Tune, plus classic LA-2A and 1176 compressors, and more."
This is great for Live Sound, but specifically for the upper tier console. The vast majority of most of us are using Midas/Behringer X/M32 consoles or something similar or lower, which makes this only usable if we get the Dante card, but then it will also eat up additonal channels which doesn't work for me. On top of that, you're then paying for a Dante subscription. I have a wedding band that I do sound for, and use my Apollo 8 and 8p for mic pres and channel processing, then direct out into my console to feed monitors and house. Sure its more cables, a touch more latency and more ADDA conversion steps than I would like, but it works, and sounds great.
@@BarryJohnswhat are you talking about? The SuoerRack live box is sitting on their website, ready to purchase. Runs any VST3 plugin. All other waves servers are very much not discontinued.
2 Rupert Neve RMP-D8 preamps and an X16D and I’m happier than a kitten in yarn. You should mention that setup Barry. This is a good sign for future UA projects while we wait for what we know is coming. A platform update takes time but I like what I’m seeing with Luna, console, Dante and native plugins! UA is moving forward, just not fast enough for some of the folks here. Looking forward to the next year. Maybe we see a line of Apollo with Dante. But I like the new sleek look. I’m grabbing one.
It has a Monitor output so it is using its FPGA controller chip that links its 6 Sharc DSPs and does the conversion for the monitor outputs Digital to Analog.
@@joesalyers It sure has, but if you use aux sends via dante from your system/board to access UAD plugins and receiving the returns via Dante, who's going to go through the hassle of hooking something to the analog out? Especially, when it's a single stereo pair.
I’m with you, Barry. I started with two single core cards and a Hammerfall in in a 450 pc with 2 megs of ram, scan drives. Locals said I was crazy. Hasn’t gotten that much better. Room &/treatment, Mics, Pre’s, capture, Amplification, speakers, effects. Knowledge.
Damnit man! I was about to drop big money on an x16 and now you got me second guessing myself. The biggest thing for me and my studio is finding something that's not going to be outdated in 2 years.. we all know the bullshit with updates to I/O hardware peripherals, computers, software, etc.. and yes, I am that guy who still uses ADAT, haha...I hear equally good and bad things about UA's digital conversion and was still onboard with the purchase. But at the end of the day, everything you mentioned in this video is my top concern with choosing a new platform and I'm now back at square 1. Thanks for your professional opinion as there aren't many people that speak on the most important information, which is technology and a companies investment toward their products. This is what is strictly driving my decision toward moving to a new platform and I'll keep researching.
I've had two Apollo x8ps for a few years now and I absolutely LOVE them. I can track with so many different mic pre models and mix with so much power, it's amazing. I also have 2 Audient 8 pre boxes giving me 32 live channels and it's glorious. The conversion sounds great to me and my clients. I don't understand the hate at all.
It's because it only has 16 channels of dante connectivity. For $3000? That gives you for instance, 16 channels of an SSL channel strip. That's ridiculous. Many touring acts are dealing with many more channels, thus having to purchase more units. For smaller gigs like churches, $3000 is a lot of money just for 16 channels of plugins. To me, its not worth the money unless its a touring act.
@@Kynect2Hymn the only other option is a Waves sound grid system and although in theory they offer more channels they also offer the pleasure of dealing with 2 computers and latency issues if you use plugins that aren't made for real time. Or 1 computer with very limited track counts and again added latency per plugin. 4 C6, a de noising effect, 4 e de ess and 4 rcomp plugins later and you start hearing some time alignment issues. Unless your just using it for time bases effects.
@@IntheDAW I think you forget that Dante introduces latency as well. Also, you don't need the Waves computers in order to utilize their plugins. Just buy the servers and run super rack on a computer. Waves cards are there for a reason on Live consoles as well. UAD does not have any card integration with consoles, hence the reason they're using Dante.
@Kynect2Hymn I mean I don't understand the hate in general. I don't use Dante so this is not an issue for me - I have a studio and the Apollos are the main engine, and I've only ever had the best experiences with them. Hate for this particular product is neither here nor there for me, but in general, I love UAD and the fact that they allow me to have a studio function at a pro level for under $10k, where 20 years ago it would have been well over $200k.
@@fordajunck2899 I gave you the reason people are disappointed, I don’t really see “hate” from anyone. It’s ok to be dissatisfied with a product, companies are there to make money. This product released by UAD is a lot of money with not much of a pay-off, hence why many people are not happy. I don’t doubt that the Apollos are great products, and that’s great! But once again, people run these companies, we have the right to judge.
I got the RME UFX IIII as well. I pre-ordered (three weeks ago) the new RME M-1620 Pro. It has 16 ins and out with MADI/Milan (AVB) and Adat. It should be here in SEP24. I did have a Ferrofish A32pro but took it back in time for a refund. I have no complaints with Ferrofish. I wanted all my gear to match. The RME M-1620 Pro I believe is going to be awesome!!
I had 2 Apollo x8ps last year that were fairly amazing when they worked, but they just cannot be pushed to their limits without completely falling apart. I could never go beyond 70% DSP for long recording sessions without serious glitches. I ended up getting a full replacement credit from SW after a crash in Console somehow fried a preamp IC transistor, which for whatever reason caused every single channel to blast out an ear piercing overloading signal. They are not at all workhorses and the DSP system was just a nightmare
Thank you for your input on this. I have an Apollo x8p and it's been serving me well for the past couple of years. I also would love for UA to bring us something new and compelling. Hopefully they got something cooking. Thanks for sharing!! Much ❤ BJ!!
Barry is the reason I didn't buy a UA Apollo for my interface upgrade, but my friends make me feel bad for not buying an Apollo. Bruh what's the obsession with UA for these people?
I know how it looks, but I think they released this all alone like this because they have a new line of regular interfaces launching sometime soon and they don’t want this one to get overshadowed. If they don’t have something out this year though you’re probably right.
I don’t think that could’ve been said better! I’m hanging on by the skin of my teeth just hoping for a change! Because I’m all in you, you know I’m invested. I hate to say cultish… I’m a Christian! But no seriously yeah we were die hard! Apollo fanatics! I’m really concerned with the future of this company right now… I’m not really scared because it’s UA but I’m concerned about the conversion you nailed it Barry
I can't speak for everyone, but in this day and age, conversion is probably one of the last things I'm thinking about. You would be hard pressed to hear a difference between UA, RME, Motu, or anybody else out there. I agree with Barry and his disappointment in this product but not necessarily the reasons.
@@jahsoul357 no I agree with you on that. It’s not stopping the show! I actually just put out a new song on the ‘Fourth of July! With that same name actually. 😂 -so did K-Dot! He won that battle!! Haaaa- It hasn’t slowed me down a bit. & I use a B2 ade.. also.. Barry knows though he’s always predicting! I feel like UA is going to do something soon.. I’m hoping it’s dope because I want to expand my I/O one more time… And I would love to close out with something cool from UA.. I’m not gonna go like RME and restart over.. I’m like Barry though dude I love this equipment! I get excited about it! And that conversion… That was something I was really interested in finding out about when they dropped that Dante piece.. so I see what B was talking about
Many musicians do their sound design using UAD plugins. Having a format that allows them to carry that over to a live venue is valuable. UAD plugins are really great and in many cases superior to internal effects on modern digital boards. Folks with existing UA rigs who want to add Dante to their current set up now have a solution. This wasn’t a redesign it is simply an added feature set if it doesn’t solve any problems for you Calling it a big disappointment is just over dramatic
Barry I ❤ your videos,the only thing that confused the shit out of me was your Patchbay video,s and your constant bashing of UAD ,IT WORKS for some people ,I would be afraid of it coming back and biting you in the ass,started my recording journey in 1973 ,1/4 inch Tape ,don’t get me wrong ,I love what you do,love your personality,great speaker and your vid’s ,fortunately I like to look at all positive things ,you,ve been blessed with so many positives,me too ,I invested in Uad 1 pci cards ,silver face,MK11/16 ,Apollo .Musician,Studio owner,Radio ,personality,Boat Driver ,Uber Driver,Shit House ,Carpenter painter, would love to upgrade to RME ,NOT there yet,took me 50 years to get here,Love your videos,❤ THE WEATHERMAN,CALABOGIE,ONTARIO,CANADA
On UA, I have over 300+ videos, and there have been 12 UA related videos of which 5 of them were totally positive. I feel like I’m pretty fair. Now as to the patchbay, was it understanding normaling? Send me an email and I’ll explain it more of that was the stumbling block. Maybe it’s time I revisit that subject.
I think that UAD could stand to update their current DSP and I/O with that of other companies. They have ported over so many fantastic plugins to go Native. I would think that it is possible that they can switch from the Sharks to off-the-shelf processors for those plugins that are not yet Native. Back in the very early days, Digi-Design used Apogee converters. So, maybe that is an option for them too. On the other hand, some may argue that the converters have gotten so good that unless you are a working studio or signed to a film company, just be happy with what you can afford. You aren’t missing much because overall, converters have gotten very good.
Very disappointing. Their drivers on Windows have always been absolutely horrific. I have an 8P and and 8xp and a satellite. Finally gave up on windows and bought a Max Studio. Really sad that I needed to do that just to use my Apollo universal audio gear. They release this which will only further dilute people purchasing most will probably go to RME including me. My next interface will be RME. Their interfaces were long overdue for an upgrade and I'm surprised also that this is what they offered.
I don’t believe this is Universal Audios new line of audio interface. Note, at the time of this video release UA has not posted a video on this UAx16D on their TH-cam channel. The X line has been good and while the competition has improved UA’s Interface is not bad. I believe they put this out as a teaser the feel out the market reaction. Unfortunately, that means we’ll have to wait another year or two for an upgrade but this is not a new interface they made other interfaces like the solo and volt that people may have thought were unnecessary but this is just an extension of the X line not a new product. I’ll continue to wait for their new interface to release.
Just got started on focusrite adat scarlet's. Starting to pay attention for the next thing in 5yrs or so when it's time for an upgrade into the big boy stuff if I have a use for it.
Honestly, people have still been using the UAD-2 Live rack even though it's been discontinued. I wouldn't buy it because it was MADI, and it didn't fit my infrastructure. This is great, and with so many VST hosts riding on Windows machines, I love to see solid hardware like this that doesn't. It's just a plus for people that operate in both Live and Studio environments that it can still be easily integrated into a studio workflow.
@@TazzSmk thats a lie they just dont want to do it because rme and other companies have incredible drivers so thats a lie they just dont want to do it and there Ad/Da converters are not that good compare to others
This is pretty simple: UAD invests heavily in making their plugins native, their guitar pedals, and volt. Those markets are strong and have a significantly larger customer base than their DSP interfaces. They have to make their investment money back buy making revenue. Live sound has a large market. They talk to customers all the time that want to use UAD plugins live. They invest in that market. Marginal improvements to solid X series interfaces won't significantly grow revenue in comparison to the above. Btw, how old are dangerous, radar, burl, prism, and other top converters?
Thank you for the help Barry. I’m getting the audient xp 16 I will be using logic Pro Can you specifically list what I need to buy to build my own computer to run that? I’ll be tracking all eight tracks with my drums often I will be session drumming
Barry, IMO where UA missed the boat here isn't about conversion or DSP, it's that they made it so this Apollo STILL has to connect via TB to control the UA Console...they effectively NEGATED one of the prime benefits of networked audio: the ability to do away with distance limitations. If UA had made this box so it could be controlled via the same Ethernet port carrying DANTE, this box would have much more utility in both FOH / Live and Studio scenarios. As it stands, one can have MORE capability than this box if you add an ADAT to DANTE conversion box (like an APPSYS Flexiverter) to an existing Apollo for less than HALF the price of the Apollo D. In such a case, you would have additional analog I/O, headphone outs, etc with the same LIMITATION as this box (needs a TB connection). I have provided this feedback directly to UA...I hope they listen.
@@BarryJohns Another thing to think about: An OCTO Satellite retails for $999.00. For TWO LESS chips (Apollo D is hexa) and the addition of ONE Analog out (NO input), ONE AES I/O, and DANTE connectivity, you are paying $2000.00 more. It seems obvious UA developed this unit in a vacuum without input from actual users.
Keep speaking truth Barry! I was just banned from the GS discussion on this product and my critique of the product was removed from UA's FB account. Apparently they don't want to hear any constructive criticism and don't mind losing customers.
When I saw the release I was very excited at first. I use Dante all over the place. in my home studio and in my job doing large budget events and productions. it would allow me to integrate my whole studio into my uad system... At least that what's I thought. But a huge thing about Dante is high track counts at low latency and 16 in 16 out is very meh. If they had come out with a box that was 32X32 or 24X24 and had phisical IO with the Dante IO I would totally be fine with that.
Hi, you and I got into a big argument regarding Atmos a few months back (lol) On this topic, you are 100 percent correct. I have the Apollo duo and was looking to upgrade and get an 8xp or something along those lines but am getting nervous about the age of the current Apollo range. I’m looking to upgrade in November, but I’m guessing there won’t be any new UA units for me to consider. If that’s the case, SSL it is and then I gotta sell the duo
EVER TEST THE ORIGINAL 2017 ANTELOPE ORION STUDIO Box with 12 mic preamps? Know there is disputes about the Company and how they do business that has pissed off Retailers, aside from sqwabbles The Hardware Performance as advertised?
Doesn’t this just convert one digital format to another? 16 channels seems really limited considering. My old Focusrite red could run 32x32 channels of Dante over tb3 AND 16 channels of ADDA.
I think the disappointment is because this box was built for people like me not your typical UA user. Live audio has been dominated by Dante for the last few years and going back a decade it all started when Clair Global decided to utilize it for large format concert systems. Then Yamaha struck a deal with Audinate cementing Dante’s future. Dante’s attractiveness only really applied to live audio or broadcast allowing long runs with both audio and control included in a single path. It’s still not providing any real benefit to the typical studio so Im not surprised this box is confusing to the typical UA customer. However this is big news for the live crowd who previously needed a second device for format conversion when using UA with Yamaha or Digico who together dominate the console market in live audio Avid is a distant third. Yes the old Live Rack was madi but it hasn’t been supported for many years not to mention Madi is on the way out if not gone from all the newer mid level consoles. This new box is plug and play with all the yamaha range and they absolutely dominate the corporate or non touring rental space. Anyway prior to this a second device has been required to access UA products via Dante and using my case as the example that’s a $10k Prodigy to access my four X16’s and two Live Racks on a Yamaha PM10 which is Dante or Madi only on the inserts it will do a very limited 32 analog inserts via Twinlane but their intention along with all the other manufacturers is to push you into Dante io. Another note Audinate charges manufacturers per channel per device to use Dante so there’s no point in adding additional Dante channels without a path. So yeah unless you’re me it’s not shocking that your disappointed because nothing this device was designed to do applies to a studio type of environment.
It’s not even an x16 with dante because where’s the 16 IO? To me this is just a box that will transfer your Dante device to thunderbolt and provide monitoring.
I would also love to see SOME innovation here instead of what we keep getting. Per your videos and such, I was in the market and really considered the Apollo line but ended up getting an RME UCX II which as you have stated still needs some innovation on their DSP as well (agree totally there). At this point though, what exactly can they innovate with that will get us something that's drastically better than what we have today? Curious to your thoughts. Thanks as always for posing such great content!
I am a huge UA fanboy with their plugins. That said, regarding this topic, you are correct Barry. They need to retire the Apollo line and roll out a new product.
We will only get rid of ADAT once another option becomes at least equally cost effective. You can get an RME Digiface USB (their ADAT interface) and a Ferrofish Pulse for about 1500$, so 16ch of high quality I/O, with RME drivers no less. That's WAY cheaper than any alternative solution, be it DANTE or anything else.
You shouldnt compare this with the Apollo 16. This is an upgrade to the (not well known) UAD-2 Live. I have no doubt the next "studio boxes" will have dante. Hopefully a few other improvements as well, but surely Dante.
I was excited to about the new release but, turns out it's a Dante which is cool. I rather go with a Focusrite Red rather than sticking to a strict plugin pallet. There are many other great options out there, like you said seems UA is falling back in it's future products, I;m sure they're working on something else. They have new plugins and pedals that are coming out which Is cool though. I Stupidly sold my LA-610 MK 2, until I get enough money to get something similar, I'll just wait to see what comes up next before another big purchase like that from UA.
Im a long time UAD user and it started to feel like a key that didn’t fit anymore. So I searched and searched and nothing really checked all the boxes in my price range. I looked into apogee even audient. And learned the reason they are not moving / improving is because they dont have to. Competition is when we benefit as a customer and there is not much of that again (in our price range) Until barry got me on RME. i never even heard of them. So after years of research I recently moved to the RME UFX III and I dont feel the limitations or technical roadblocks I did with UAD. I even got the ferrofish pulse 16 too and it just feels like a marriage that makes sense. A learning curve but a marriage nonetheless. Any how Thx Mr Johns, Thank you!!
I got the RME UFX IIII as well. I pre-ordered (three weeks ago) the new RME M-1620 Pro. It has 16 ins and out with MADI/Milan (AVB) and Adat. It should be here in SEP24. I did have a Ferrofish A32pro but took it back in time for a refund. I have no complaints with Ferrofish. I wanted all my gear to match. The RME M-1620 Pro I believe is going to be awesome!!
UAD a budget option...?! LOLOLOL. They are just waiting for the last x series to sell out before they drop the x+ series
@@braxal6983Should be here in September? LOL. What do they have to do, build it from scratch for you?
@@ZeroG I wish I was that special to RME. HAHA. No I wanted people to know about the new RME, They are also coming out with the new Firenet line of interfaces
Same
I work in Live sound and Dante is used way more than MADI.
Every stage box at every venue I’ve worked in uses Dante.
Agreed, BUT depends on the console. The majority of modern consoles have and support Dante cards including their stage boxes. Only older Digico systems primarily use MADI. Dante is considered the standard now.
Then every console at every venue you use is a Yamaha.
Digico uses MADI and opticore primarily.
Avid used AVB
Soundgrid is also part of many live shows.
There are many protocols out there and while Dante rocks! It’s not the only player…
@@manuaudiomix A&H consoles also support Dante cards, and the majority of venues I work in have opted for A&H (SQ/D-Live/Avantis).
AVB also has its uses for certain consoles. Primarily I see Dante.
Midas uses AES50 (Dante is optional), and a lot of Consoles use their own protocol (Alllen & Heath uses DSnake) or MADI. Digico uses Opticore and MADI, I think only Yamaha uses Dante standard and I think that is only on the newest (maybe the generation before the DM) console generation. It's an expansion card in every other mixer I can think of. Stupid Presonus uses AVB.
@@manuaudiomixalmost every console platform in the live world has a Dante option card. Especially once you get into backend systems. It is a primary player in the live world, almost on par with MADI. Not sure why you think it’s limited to Yamaha consoles.
Ua should give us something like a SSl Big six & Tascam model 24. A small console with their modeling pre's and built in interface. Make it linkable like there interfaces so you can have the channel count you need. Give the market that and you'll have small studios/advanced home studios putting consoles in their studios, and you can use as a standalone mixer for live!
💯
I loved the Digi002 & 003... I also have had the Control 24 and C24... The Avid S4 is cool but extremely overpriced to ONLY be a control surface... if UA could do this - I see a lot of people hoping onboard
STARTING AT A WHOPPING 15K lmao
@@AyoMillzbut this is more controller,SSL big six and Tascam model 24 are analog console but you can use as a Audio interface and controller
Unison is garbage
Honestly it’s so nice to see an unedited video
Intended market as you mentioned. But this is the first time they’ve done anything specifically aimed at live audio afaik. This is competition to waves in the live audio processing, and yes we care, perhaps not to how “authentic” the 1176 is but how well it works and how many of them we can use. We don’t just want the general compressor and the built in plugins in digital mixers are not always that great.
My Apollo X4 is now just being used for DSP UA plugins.... my now audio interface is an Antelope Audio Synergy Core 8 pro. and love it.
Maybe it's all just as good as it's going to get and we should just focus on the music
Dang...
Must…always..have…better….do..not….compute…mind…overloaded *nut and bolts go flying**
@@willwerly5600 lol. I know, right?
@@mainsailsound983 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 lol
It's not. New Apollos dropping!
No rugged locking RJ45 ports was a surprise to me for a Dante interface intended for live use. Hope no one trips on a Cat 5 cable
@@marklholloway not as big a deal…but no redundancy in the power supply either. So many things suggest they really didn’t think it out.
@@marklholloway We don’t deploy Dante devices in a way that would allow that. They are rack mounted and an IO panel is added to the front or rear. Also the switch used is typically not fitted with ethercon either. It’s a non issue in a professional environment.
Yeah ethercon should be standard on many of these pieces that are advertised for a Live environment.
To me this is like demanding new shiny features for the next version of my refrigerator or vacum cleaner. The main question should be: is there a problem that needs to be solved. If converters are good - why changing them? Audio interfaces are not neccessarily devices to be updated every couple of years but those who don‘t have one, also need to have sth. they can buy.
The conversation is only
Ok and does need an update compared to a lot of other interfaces in the price range.
You Didn’t Miss a beat!! 👍🏼 & I am ALL invested in Apollo- you nailed it dude.
If your music or mixes suck these days, it's not due to the conversion quality. I don't know anyone that can tell the difference between a song mixed on UAD, LYNX, Apogee, Burl etc when the mix is complete. Anyone whining about conversion would better spend their time seeking the flat edge of the earth.
@@gregbaxter7871 harsh…but a little truth in there lol. The market is flooded with amazing tools what is it we’re seeking at this point? Lol
So people don’t need better conversion quality because YOU can’t hear the difference? Anyone whining about conversion not being important may be better suited getting new ears instead of gear… may as well just put a sock over ur microphone cause phuck it, who’s gonna hear it!?!? Bahahahahahaha
@@erickarge1838 Your restating of my comment is anything but accurate and not what I was saying. Its a straw man argument that changes 100% of what I said, pretend it's what I said then it's knocked down with logic. All based on a false assumption.
Can I send you three mixes, one done via UAD, one through my Burl and one dumped to 2" tape and back into Pro Tools and have you identify the conversion source on each? There is differences in conversion quality but in this day and age, it's not the cause of a shitty mix. Most consumers are streaming shit quality songs through bluetooth earbuds. The recordings studios conversion is anything but the problem in today's music.
@@erickarge1838 If you can tell the difference in a proper double-blind test, then maybe it matters. Otherwise it's just snake oil and placebo.
Paying for an inferior product is just stupid if there are better ones for the same price.
I love that they are going dante but they need to add more dsp like double the dsp and add track counts. And keep local IO
100. I saw this launch and struggled to imagine who this product is for. The amount of processing that it can do is pretty underwhelming, and the only analog I/O is the monitor out. 4k to run 16 channels of their plugins on a Dante box? Who was asking for this?
I’d say Mega Churches with big budgets with 100k-1M+ setups where $3K a pop is not a show stopper as well as high-ticket acts that were already using UAD for their live setup.
@@danielgaudet6114 UAD definitely knew the demographic they were going for. Still disappointing though.
@@danielgaudet6114 Yup.....sometimes, we get so caught up in seeing why we won't use it that we don't understand that it actually might fit the bill for others.
Agreed. A Waves Soundgrid server will be a better investment for live plugins.
All the live folks.
I was waiting for this video since the announcement haha
I'm just now getting into ADAT. What's wrong with it?
It’s limiting as to io expansion and sample rate. It works fine and it should not stop you from using it.
YEA I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WILL HELP ME IN WHAT I DO. THUS FAR I CONTEND ITS NOT FOR ME AND MY SMALL SETUP AT ALL. BARRY PLEASE TELL US WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IN A NEW BOCX FROM UNIVERSAL AUDIO?
90% of all my audio work takes place OUTSIDE of a DAW. Therefore, RME and Total Mix FX are the absolute bee's knees. DSP interfaces in my book will continue to be in demand for quite a while.
I think UAD has its place - for a midrange prosumer-ish tracking rig. It's probably not the direction I would go if I wanted to do that, but I can see the appeal. The draw is having cost-effective preamp sims, eq/comp on the way in, and comfort reverb. UAD is not the only offering, but it is viable. And there absolutely is something to be said for front-loading some of the decision making and committing to sounds before you hit record - limitations inspire creativity and simplify your workflow. For my purposes....there are a couple specific plugins that I like (and run native), and that's about it. The modeling mics probably would appeal to me if I was starting out with the exact right midrange budget in mind....but again, for my purposes, I just don't need them. But...I pretty much exclusively do mastering and a little bit of mixing, and I'm 100% sold on my ITB tools for both. All I really need is pristine conversion to my monitoring, and I have that.
Great stuff Barry! Love my RME!
The conversion on my Apollo x16 is incredible.
@@ancestralmemories right lol! My x6 is stellar…are folks starting to just complain for “more” just for the sake of something new? Or do this many people actually need more/new interfaces
Compared to what?
@@justin.johnson my subjective opinion, backed by years of personal experience. Take it or leave it. ❤️
Please just compare with RME ufx3 and Apogee,after the u ll understand how different is
@@alborzmousapour3446 I test with my tape machines (Otari MX5050, Studer A710). When it gets converted to DAW, I compare how realistic it sounds compared to the real analog tape playback. There is not a better test, than how accurately it reproduces analog sound. It reproduces it perfectly, with no difference in between the real tape and digital copy. The X16 analog conversion to digital, is incredible. I do not need to compare to the RME ufx3 to know it is incredible. Enjoy your new shiny object.
To me, at this point it’s like looking every 6 months or year for new tvs that Samsung and LG have made… how much better can it really be at this point lol.
Love and appreciate your insight Barry, but I and colleagues of mine have made radio/tv/film used songs with Apollo twins and lesser. Keep making great music everyone!
Easy to get caught up in looking for new toys. And I think Mr. John’s has said as much in the past and would agree
I use Focusrite 2nd gen 18i20 with an octopus for extra inputs. I would like to upgrade to an interface with low latency, one of my flagship synths outputs at 96KHz. Was thinking of RME as I feel UAD is too expensive for me and I already have 2 UAD satellite boxes. What can you guys recommend me ? I mostly do electronic music with outboard synthesizers and my biggest pain point is latency and latency when I play/record my synths live (using a MacBook Pro).
Are there any other interfaces that can record through a plugin like these interfaces can?
What is the issue to upgrade the DSP? Is it practically impossible?
I was expecting this video/review sooner :)
As a UA loyalist and user; hearing about that "new" box was disappointing... that felt like something that could've been done by making an upgradable install card... Giving us the same old shark processing technology is crazy
It’s because there are a ton of better platforms than Sharc atm for low latency DSP processing. Not to mention a complete rewrite of code. People keep complaining about this have never seen a modern DSP offering outperform Sharc. That just want something new. Until there are chips that can out perform Sharc on multiple processes at once for audio we won’t see new devices from any manufacturer do this.
A few years ago UA came with a box for Live with MADI connectivity. It had a different interface to access it. And when it was demoed to us, I mentioned to their distributors that they should have connectivity options of MADI/Dante/AVB so live engineers could integrate into their existing IO workflow. Now this limits it to only Dante, of course that can be inegrated into existing Dante systems, but those that have existing live consoles with MADI(Digico) or AVB(Avid), they would need to spend thousands to get Dante into their systems as well as one of the UAD Dante box. From where I come from I don't see this happening.
In fact this looks exactly like their earlier MAD box changed to Dante.
Hey Brother, If not UA Apollo, What interface should we be looking at?
Merging (Hapi or Horus). with Anubis or Neumann Mt48.
I like your videos! You're really honest. Not every product is "great sounding, very affordable....must have!" And you name it!
Normally nearly all product videos reviews on YT sound too nice (sponsored by the manufacturer). Thanks :-)
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This one is made for live, so I don’t understand your disappointment. At live volume, converters and old plugin are enough good for any live situation.
Didn’t watch the whole video, o break all that down. I even start the video that way. Seems like maybe you just looked at the title only?
Gotta say I agree…I’ve watched the video and while the “disappointment” stance is Barry’s right to his opinion….this seems excessive. If theyre not pushing it as their new flagship hardware or something like that…whats the big deal lol.
He admits in the video that “we’re spoiled”. Think there’s a lot of us that get really caught up in new toys and forget that more times than not the tools we have are good enough. Let’s make music.
Side note, they updated the UA console and it’s really clean and cool to see the actually plugin scenes…quality of life change I guess lol
Dante is a welcomed addition. The notion that it’s a long time overdue is fair, but it adds a necessary feature set for broadcast and I can now use UA directly in commercial environments without any intermediate adaptation etc. I’m glad for it.
if there's a better alternative, concerning a setup using quality plug ins in a live situation with preferably almost no latency, rugged, reliable, portable easy to setup, and 'affordable', please share with us, i think expectation have to conform to what it's designed for, i think this is UA adapting their product for a market where there is demand, not so much as wanting to improve it.
As an RME user, I completely support your point of view. Keep on telling it like it is, Barry. I’ll support you all the way.
What’s the realtime alternative? Please tell me, I’ve tried them all. Nothing does realtime like UAD, not for me.
I think they are going after Waves and Fourier that have just released boxes meant for live sound market.
I use my apollo rig 2x x8P + 4x in a synth/drummachine studio. Mainly electronica/techno/house music. As a controller for the uad console i use an old softube fader and the new console1 channel. Its like using a digital mixer. All of my jam sessions happen without the daw opened. The whole dsp thing is still very relevant for me, since i dont have outboard processing gear. I use different channel strips with eqs on the inserts and timebased effects on the sends. Once iam happy with the jam and overall sound, i start up my daw and hit record. I love this workflow and honestly, i dont want it to change anytime soon. This x16D Box…i dont know.
My Dante Radar Covertors work flawlessly ,paired with my mtrx 2 ,very happy with the combo
New Apollos dropping!!!
Looking forward to your comments on the new Apollo range Barry - let me guess!!
What i see when i go places is the workflow with console, it works and people dont like change. When i got an apollo i knew it wasnt apogee or rme but that workflow with console became fluid to me and everyone uses it as well, kinda reminds me of how people feel about pro tools. They may not make another box but i cant aee why they want to when nothing matches console (i also use windows). When a company can one up the console app i feel that is when they are going to make a new box.
madi is over btw, it's either optocore or milan avb right now in pro live audio. dante is abundant but not audio focused like in the avb protocole. check meyer, l-a and d&b if you want to have an insight...
I had an Apollo x8p. And honestly? I genuinely loved it, apart from the latency. It sounded great. It was a Thunderbolt interface, and the latency was extremely high compared to the competition. But aside from that, I loved the unison preamps, I loved the plugins, I loved being able to run 4-6 distressor plugins on the way in, which was awesome for drums. But ... I use a lot of plugins, I play electronic drumkits, amp sims, all the rest of it... so I sold it.
I did regret it for a long time to be honest. I was using a combination of a Presonus Quantum and an Antelope Audio Discrete 8 Pro. Both of which could do 3.2ms round trip latency.
But recently I switched to an RME UFXII, and it is utterly fantastic. I no longer regret selling the Apollo x8p. I'm gonna sell the Quantum and the Discrete 8 to fund some additional ADAT I/O for the UFXII.
They are pretty clear as to what they are trying to do. They are not reinventing the wheel: "Perfect for live sound venues or networked recording studios, Apollo x16D gives you elite-class Apollo X sound and realtime UAD plug-in processing over Thunderbolt and Dante. With Apollo x16D, you can mix and record live performances with over 200 UAD plug-ins from Neve, SSL, and Auto-Tune, plus classic LA-2A and 1176 compressors, and more."
@@infojunkie4989exactly, this comment shouldn’t be buried. Thank you
This is great for Live Sound, but specifically for the upper tier console.
The vast majority of most of us are using Midas/Behringer X/M32 consoles or something similar or lower, which makes this only usable if we get the Dante card, but then it will also eat up additonal channels which doesn't work for me.
On top of that, you're then paying for a Dante subscription.
I have a wedding band that I do sound for, and use my Apollo 8 and 8p for mic pres and channel processing, then direct out into my console to feed monitors and house. Sure its more cables, a touch more latency and more ADDA conversion steps than I would like, but it works, and sounds great.
You don’t need a Dante subscription to use a Dante enabled product. Dante controller is free.
@@TheMrRelic Ah ok. That's good to know. Thanks!
You forgot Waves. Their huge in live sound and with their latest version it can use other plugins besides their own.
They no longer offer it, discontinued the hardware.
@@BarryJohnswhat are you talking about? The SuoerRack live box is sitting on their website, ready to purchase. Runs any VST3 plugin.
All other waves servers are very much not discontinued.
When can we have digital control over analog equipment and keep the signal path analog? That would be the ultimate for me.
Take the same parts and put into a different box and now you have a new and improved unit. 😅
2 Rupert Neve RMP-D8 preamps and an X16D and I’m happier than a kitten in yarn. You should mention that setup Barry. This is a good sign for future UA projects while we wait for what we know is coming. A platform update takes time but I like what I’m seeing with Luna, console, Dante and native plugins! UA is moving forward, just not fast enough for some of the folks here. Looking forward to the next year. Maybe we see a line of Apollo with Dante. But I like the new sleek look. I’m grabbing one.
I'm confused by the "quality of the converters" issue here. It's a digital in/out card. What converters?
It has a Monitor output so it is using its FPGA controller chip that links its 6 Sharc DSPs and does the conversion for the monitor outputs Digital to Analog.
@@joesalyers It sure has, but if you use aux sends via dante from your system/board to access UAD plugins and receiving the returns via Dante, who's going to go through the hassle of hooking something to the analog out? Especially, when it's a single stereo pair.
@@majorgiroux I agree it's a silly product because 6 sharc chips is no enough to process 10 channel live!
Great review as always.
I’m with you, Barry. I started with two single core cards and a Hammerfall in in a 450 pc with 2 megs of ram, scan drives. Locals said I was crazy. Hasn’t gotten that much better. Room &/treatment, Mics, Pre’s, capture, Amplification, speakers, effects. Knowledge.
Argh
Damnit man! I was about to drop big money on an x16 and now you got me second guessing myself. The biggest thing for me and my studio is finding something that's not going to be outdated in 2 years.. we all know the bullshit with updates to I/O hardware peripherals, computers, software, etc.. and yes, I am that guy who still uses ADAT, haha...I hear equally good and bad things about UA's digital conversion and was still onboard with the purchase. But at the end of the day, everything you mentioned in this video is my top concern with choosing a new platform and I'm now back at square 1. Thanks for your professional opinion as there aren't many people that speak on the most important information, which is technology and a companies investment toward their products. This is what is strictly driving my decision toward moving to a new platform and I'll keep researching.
I've had two Apollo x8ps for a few years now and I absolutely LOVE them. I can track with so many different mic pre models and mix with so much power, it's amazing. I also have 2 Audient 8 pre boxes giving me 32 live channels and it's glorious. The conversion sounds great to me and my clients. I don't understand the hate at all.
It's because it only has 16 channels of dante connectivity. For $3000? That gives you for instance, 16 channels of an SSL channel strip. That's ridiculous. Many touring acts are dealing with many more channels, thus having to purchase more units. For smaller gigs like churches, $3000 is a lot of money just for 16 channels of plugins. To me, its not worth the money unless its a touring act.
@@Kynect2Hymn the only other option is a Waves sound grid system and although in theory they offer more channels they also offer the pleasure of dealing with 2 computers and latency issues if you use plugins that aren't made for real time. Or 1 computer with very limited track counts and again added latency per plugin. 4 C6, a de noising effect, 4 e de ess and 4 rcomp plugins later and you start hearing some time alignment issues. Unless your just using it for time bases effects.
@@IntheDAW I think you forget that Dante introduces latency as well. Also, you don't need the Waves computers in order to utilize their plugins. Just buy the servers and run super rack on a computer. Waves cards are there for a reason on Live consoles as well. UAD does not have any card integration with consoles, hence the reason they're using Dante.
@Kynect2Hymn I mean I don't understand the hate in general. I don't use Dante so this is not an issue for me - I have a studio and the Apollos are the main engine, and I've only ever had the best experiences with them. Hate for this particular product is neither here nor there for me, but in general, I love UAD and the fact that they allow me to have a studio function at a pro level for under $10k, where 20 years ago it would have been well over $200k.
@@fordajunck2899 I gave you the reason people are disappointed, I don’t really see “hate” from anyone. It’s ok to be dissatisfied with a product, companies are there to make money. This product released by UAD is a lot of money with not much of a pay-off, hence why many people are not happy. I don’t doubt that the Apollos are great products, and that’s great! But once again, people run these companies, we have the right to judge.
I have zero complaints about my Apollo DSP. 16 live tracks and have never even tickled the DSP.
Is it possible to connect a 16 Preamp Stagebox to it?
As long as it has DANTE.
Yes
Does the colour of this x16D indicate the colour scheme of its next interfaces? Hmmmmm
I got the RME UFX IIII as well. I pre-ordered (three weeks ago) the new RME M-1620 Pro. It has 16 ins and out with MADI/Milan (AVB) and Adat. It should be here in SEP24. I did have a Ferrofish A32pro but took it back in time for a refund. I have no complaints with Ferrofish. I wanted all my gear to match. The RME M-1620 Pro I believe is going to be awesome!!
I had 2 Apollo x8ps last year that were fairly amazing when they worked, but they just cannot be pushed to their limits without completely falling apart. I could never go beyond 70% DSP for long recording sessions without serious glitches. I ended up getting a full replacement credit from SW after a crash in Console somehow fried a preamp IC transistor, which for whatever reason caused every single channel to blast out an ear piercing overloading signal. They are not at all workhorses and the DSP system was just a nightmare
Thank you for your input on this. I have an Apollo x8p and it's been serving me well for the past couple of years. I also would love for UA to bring us something new and compelling. Hopefully they got something cooking. Thanks for sharing!! Much ❤ BJ!!
@@definfected honestly just curious, what is it that you’re looking for in a new interface?
Let's hear some of your tunes Baz
Barry is the reason I didn't buy a UA Apollo for my interface upgrade, but my friends make me feel bad for not buying an Apollo. Bruh what's the obsession with UA for these people?
Unisom is straight up garbage
If you feel "bad" for not buying an Apollo that's on you. You should buy/use what works best for your situation.
@@billyhughes9776 fair enough... I went against the normal and bought the Quadro from Antelope Audio
@@billyhughes9776 totally agree. I’m a UA user, but I don’t knock anyone for what they use, it’s all about getting results💪🏾
Good points, at least they know what to do next time.
Can you please give your opinion on Burl AD&DA conversion, Please
Where can I hear your mix work?
ive not heard his work either, be interesting to hear
Yea berry talks alot but never shows any mixing tracking or nothing show us something berry
@wshaw7068 he is a hobbyist. He looks at gear, if you don't like it millions if other channels that show you how to mix
I’m a fan of his channel and all the info he brings on the channel. But I’d like to hear his work! Nothing against Barry!
I know how it looks, but I think they released this all alone like this because they have a new line of regular interfaces launching sometime soon and they don’t want this one to get overshadowed. If they don’t have something out this year though you’re probably right.
I don’t think that could’ve been said better! I’m hanging on by the skin of my teeth just hoping for a change! Because I’m all in you, you know I’m invested. I hate to say cultish… I’m a Christian! But no seriously yeah we were die hard! Apollo fanatics! I’m really concerned with the future of this company right now… I’m not really scared because it’s UA but I’m concerned about the conversion you nailed it Barry
I can't speak for everyone, but in this day and age, conversion is probably one of the last things I'm thinking about. You would be hard pressed to hear a difference between UA, RME, Motu, or anybody else out there. I agree with Barry and his disappointment in this product but not necessarily the reasons.
@@jahsoul357 no I agree with you on that. It’s not stopping the show! I actually just put out a new song on the ‘Fourth of July! With that same name actually. 😂 -so did K-Dot! He won that battle!! Haaaa- It hasn’t slowed me down a bit. & I use a B2 ade.. also.. Barry knows though he’s always predicting! I feel like UA is going to do something soon.. I’m hoping it’s dope because I want to expand my I/O one more time… And I would love to close out with something cool from UA.. I’m not gonna go like RME and restart over.. I’m like Barry though dude I love this equipment! I get excited about it! And that conversion… That was something I was really interested in finding out about when they dropped that Dante piece.. so I see what B was talking about
Many musicians do their sound design using UAD plugins. Having a format that allows them to carry that over to a live venue is valuable. UAD plugins are really great and in many cases superior to internal effects on modern digital boards. Folks with existing UA rigs who want to add Dante to their current set up now have a solution.
This wasn’t a redesign it is simply an added feature set if it doesn’t solve any problems for you
Calling it a big disappointment is just over dramatic
Barry I ❤ your videos,the only thing that confused the shit out of me was your Patchbay video,s and your constant bashing of UAD ,IT WORKS for some people ,I would be afraid of it coming back and biting you in the ass,started my recording journey in 1973 ,1/4 inch Tape ,don’t get me wrong ,I love what you do,love your personality,great speaker and your vid’s ,fortunately I like to look at all positive things ,you,ve been blessed with so many positives,me too ,I invested in Uad 1 pci cards ,silver face,MK11/16 ,Apollo .Musician,Studio owner,Radio ,personality,Boat Driver ,Uber Driver,Shit House ,Carpenter painter, would love to upgrade to RME ,NOT there yet,took me 50 years to get here,Love your videos,❤ THE WEATHERMAN,CALABOGIE,ONTARIO,CANADA
On UA, I have over 300+ videos, and there have been 12 UA related videos of which 5 of them were totally positive. I feel like I’m pretty fair. Now as to the patchbay, was it understanding normaling? Send me an email and I’ll explain it more of that was the stumbling block. Maybe it’s time I revisit that subject.
I think that UAD could stand to update their current DSP and I/O with that of other companies. They have ported over so many fantastic plugins to go Native. I would think that it is possible that they can switch from the Sharks to off-the-shelf processors for those plugins that are not yet Native. Back in the very early days, Digi-Design used Apogee converters. So, maybe that is an option for them too. On the other hand, some may argue that the converters have gotten so good that unless you are a working studio or signed to a film company, just be happy with what you can afford. You aren’t missing much because overall, converters have gotten very good.
Very disappointing. Their drivers on Windows have always been absolutely horrific. I have an 8P and and 8xp and a satellite. Finally gave up on windows and bought a Max Studio. Really sad that I needed to do that just to use my Apollo universal audio gear. They release this which will only further dilute people purchasing most will probably go to RME including me. My next interface will be RME. Their interfaces were long overdue for an upgrade and I'm surprised also that this is what they offered.
I don’t believe this is Universal Audios new line of audio interface. Note, at the time of this video release UA has not posted a video on this UAx16D on their TH-cam channel. The X line has been good and while the competition has improved UA’s Interface is not bad. I believe they put this out as a teaser the feel out the market reaction. Unfortunately, that means we’ll have to wait another year or two for an upgrade but this is not a new interface they made other interfaces like the solo and volt that people may have thought were unnecessary but this is just an extension of the X line not a new product. I’ll continue to wait for their new interface to release.
You were right 😢
Just got started on focusrite adat scarlet's. Starting to pay attention for the next thing in 5yrs or so when it's time for an upgrade into the big boy stuff if I have a use for it.
You are exaxtly right and clear on all your points. What about a top converter 710D-8 with 1176 circuits ADAT INs and OUTs, for instance?
What conversion in digital domain? :)) 4:00
Barry you pretty funny in this unedited video. We need more unedited videos lol.
Why the hell do you want improve conversion in a full digital interface??? 🤦♂ For the 2 D/A outputs?
You didn’t watch the whole video, I made it very clear but I guess you heard what you wanted to hear.
@@BarryJohnsI guess I heard what you said. Maybe watch again your vid.
Honestly, people have still been using the UAD-2 Live rack even though it's been discontinued. I wouldn't buy it because it was MADI, and it didn't fit my infrastructure. This is great, and with so many VST hosts riding on Windows machines, I love to see solid hardware like this that doesn't. It's just a plus for people that operate in both Live and Studio environments that it can still be easily integrated into a studio workflow.
If the processing changes wouldn’t that alienate long time users?
No, what they have would continue to work.
As a live audio engineer they use Apollos a lot for play back and IEM systems
Most honest channel on yt
I left them and haven’t been happier lol
I went back to Antelope Audio.
May i ask , where is it made ? What components are built into it ?
and hopefully they drop the thunderbolt and also fix the windows drivers as well
@@TazzSmk You can daisy chain audient right? I have heard you can daisy chain the sp8 with their interfaces (forgot their name lol)
@@TazzSmk thats a lie they just dont want to do it because rme and other companies have incredible drivers so thats a lie they just dont want to do it and there Ad/Da converters are not that good compare to others
This is pretty simple: UAD invests heavily in making their plugins native, their guitar pedals, and volt. Those markets are strong and have a significantly larger customer base than their DSP interfaces. They have to make their investment money back buy making revenue. Live sound has a large market. They talk to customers all the time that want to use UAD plugins live. They invest in that market. Marginal improvements to solid X series interfaces won't significantly grow revenue in comparison to the above.
Btw, how old are dangerous, radar, burl, prism, and other top converters?
Thank you for the help Barry. I’m getting the audient xp 16
I will be using logic Pro
Can you specifically list what I need to buy to build my own computer to run that?
I’ll be tracking all eight tracks with my drums often I will be session drumming
Logic only runs on a Mac. If you want to go windows you’ll need a different DAW.
@@BarryJohns wow am I stupid? Would I be better off building my own computer then or should I just go back and keep it easy?
After all, I am not even in your field, ballpark technologically speaking
A killer drummer, nonetheless, pretty much Elect electronically illiterate
Barry, IMO where UA missed the boat here isn't about conversion or DSP, it's that they made it so this Apollo STILL has to connect via TB to control the UA Console...they effectively NEGATED one of the prime benefits of networked audio: the ability to do away with distance limitations. If UA had made this box so it could be controlled via the same Ethernet port carrying DANTE, this box would have much more utility in both FOH / Live and Studio scenarios. As it stands, one can have MORE capability than this box if you add an ADAT to DANTE conversion box (like an APPSYS Flexiverter) to an existing Apollo for less than HALF the price of the Apollo D. In such a case, you would have additional analog I/O, headphone outs, etc with the same LIMITATION as this box (needs a TB connection). I have provided this feedback directly to UA...I hope they listen.
Great points!
@@BarryJohns Another thing to think about: An OCTO Satellite retails for $999.00. For TWO LESS chips (Apollo D is hexa) and the addition of ONE Analog out (NO input), ONE AES I/O, and DANTE connectivity, you are paying $2000.00 more. It seems obvious UA developed this unit in a vacuum without input from actual users.
Keep speaking truth Barry! I was just banned from the GS discussion on this product and my critique of the product was removed from UA's FB account. Apparently they don't want to hear any constructive criticism and don't mind losing customers.
I saw that and it's almost a cool idea. ITs missing the analog ins and outs. I have the focusrite Dante card and will build my studio around that.
When I saw the release I was very excited at first. I use Dante all over the place. in my home studio and in my job doing large budget events and productions. it would allow me to integrate my whole studio into my uad system... At least that what's I thought. But a huge thing about Dante is high track counts at low latency and 16 in 16 out is very meh. If they had come out with a box that was 32X32 or 24X24 and had phisical IO with the Dante IO I would totally be fine with that.
Hi, you and I got into a big argument regarding Atmos a few months back (lol)
On this topic, you are 100 percent correct. I have the Apollo duo and was looking to upgrade and get an 8xp or something along those lines but am getting nervous about the age of the current Apollo range. I’m looking to upgrade in November, but I’m guessing there won’t be any new UA units for me to consider. If that’s the case, SSL it is and then I gotta sell the duo
We weren’t arguing, we were having a healthy debate, which I always enjoy😁
@@BarryJohns maybe it’s a good thing UA don’t have a new interface because I’d have to get a new motherboard for that thunderbolt compatibility
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ANTELOPE ORION STUDIO Box with
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about the Company and how they do business that has pissed off Retailers, aside from sqwabbles
The Hardware Performance as advertised?
Doesn’t this just convert one digital format to another? 16 channels seems really limited considering. My old Focusrite red could run 32x32 channels of Dante over tb3 AND 16 channels of ADDA.
Hey berry dose rme have better stand alone conversion then rhe appoal x series
IMO yes
@@BarryJohns thanks would i hear a better quality by adding a fero conveter to apollo are goung straight thu the rme ?
@@wshaw7068 not positive that it’s better but most say it is…that said…. The x series rackmounts sound amazing.
I packed up my Apollo and satellite today for storage .. #freedom
I think the disappointment is because this box was built for people like me not your typical UA user. Live audio has been dominated by Dante for the last few years and going back a decade it all started when Clair Global decided to utilize it for large format concert systems. Then Yamaha struck a deal with Audinate cementing Dante’s future. Dante’s attractiveness only really applied to live audio or broadcast allowing long runs with both audio and control included in a single path. It’s still not providing any real benefit to the typical studio so Im not surprised this box is confusing to the typical UA customer. However this is big news for the live crowd who previously needed a second device for format conversion when using UA with Yamaha or Digico who together dominate the console market in live audio Avid is a distant third. Yes the old Live Rack was madi but it hasn’t been supported for many years not to mention Madi is on the way out if not gone from all the newer mid level consoles. This new box is plug and play with all the yamaha range and they absolutely dominate the corporate or non touring rental space. Anyway prior to this a second device has been required to access UA products via Dante and using my case as the example that’s a $10k Prodigy to access my four X16’s and two Live Racks on a Yamaha PM10 which is Dante or Madi only on the inserts it will do a very limited 32 analog inserts via Twinlane but their intention along with all the other manufacturers is to push you into Dante io. Another note Audinate charges manufacturers per channel per device to use Dante so there’s no point in adding additional Dante channels without a path. So yeah unless you’re me it’s not shocking that your disappointed because nothing this device was designed to do applies to a studio type of environment.
It’s not even an x16 with dante because where’s the 16 IO? To me this is just a box that will transfer your Dante device to thunderbolt and provide monitoring.
I would also love to see SOME innovation here instead of what we keep getting. Per your videos and such, I was in the market and really considered the Apollo line but ended up getting an RME UCX II which as you have stated still needs some innovation on their DSP as well (agree totally there). At this point though, what exactly can they innovate with that will get us something that's drastically better than what we have today? Curious to your thoughts. Thanks as always for posing such great content!
I am a huge UA fanboy with their plugins. That said, regarding this topic, you are correct Barry. They need to retire the Apollo line and roll out a new product.
Why?
We will only get rid of ADAT once another option becomes at least equally cost effective. You can get an RME Digiface USB (their ADAT interface) and a Ferrofish Pulse for about 1500$, so 16ch of high quality I/O, with RME drivers no less. That's WAY cheaper than any alternative solution, be it DANTE or anything else.
Yes, no way to get rid of it, just time to take it to a new level.
You shouldnt compare this with the Apollo 16. This is an upgrade to the (not well known) UAD-2 Live. I have no doubt the next "studio boxes" will have dante. Hopefully a few other improvements as well, but surely Dante.
I was excited to about the new release but, turns out it's a Dante which is cool. I rather go with a Focusrite Red rather than sticking to a strict plugin pallet. There are many other great options out there, like you said seems UA is falling back in it's future products, I;m sure they're working on something else. They have new plugins and pedals that are coming out which Is cool though. I Stupidly sold my LA-610 MK 2, until I get enough money to get something similar, I'll just wait to see what comes up next before another big purchase like that from UA.
Huge 👍 to the Red series!