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One thing I’ve learned from a lot of these TH-cam Audio Engineers is that. Every so often they change gears and call it the best decision of their lives. I use to think you need the best gears to make great music.
Just use what you have and learn your gears. Hardwares are great focus of your craft until you get where you want to be.
Absolutely you should use whatever you have. But you should also invest in what the best options for you are. I’ve been running the exact same interface for 10 years now. It was time for a change.
Quite frankly, I was going to down vote your comment, @jrcallahan506, but I am glad you said what you said because it highlights the importance of workflow.
Regardless of the industry in which you work, you should always have ongoing processes that log data-points your company uses to calculate productivity. Colt is only talking about lost time due to sample rate configuration, but what happens when you need to farm out bass tracks? It would be great to know the mean time offset for track delivery from the people you work. If I say I'll have the tracks on your desk by 5:00pm EST and you have statistics, maybe you know I always deliver early so you can rely on the times I provide. Or maybe you know I am always one-to-two hours behind schedule which means you know between 6:00pm-7:00pm EST. You can plan around it and get things done, but if you need those tracks, you might opt to do a live session with Source-Connect. It may seem like a ridiculous example purely to highlight the fact that productivity enhancements can be multipliers, but we are consistently doing this in our heads all the time with the people we are working with.
While I agree with your assertion that a lot of TH-camrs drop to their knees with their arms held to the heavens shouting, "Oh Yes! This gear, this heavenly gear I just got [or more like 'was given for the purposes of this video and will keep'] is The Second, Third, and Fourth Coming!" it is not what @ColtCapperrune is espousing, and if you've watched his videos for six months, you know it's definitely not an issue of failing to know one's gear.
@@ColtCapperrune I just upgraded to a new Mac Studio after years of running my recording sessions off a MacBook Pro, game changer. I only changes because I was forced to using Final Cut and Logic (slow AF). All the rendering is a small fraction of what it once was. I agree, every 10 years you need to upgrade.
As for ProTools, I regularly record in logic, mix & master in logic. If I need the help of my favorite local engineer, I'll export clean stems to him because he works in ProTools. It's not that big of a deal. I work most efficiently in Logic, that's the most important data point. DAWs are interchangeable, productivity is not. For Hardware I use 2 Apollo x8ps, a Satellite and an arrow all chained together to track my band in a studio live setup. Yes absolutely UA had some stability issues over the past 5 years, but they've fixed the issues. The most important part of my rig is the OX box, and the Townsend Sphere (bought by UA) microphone for my guitars and vocals. With the new Mac Studio, the system screams.
Cool video man, thanks for the breakdown.
Avid has Nashville by the balls lmao
😂😂😂
Or does Nashville have Avid by the balls?? Lol.
Avid provides a solution which other ppl do not
Hahaha not this guy!
No, Avid has the professional audio works bybtge balls. Both in music and TV/Film.
That thunderbolt chassis will never stay on your desk once the hdx fan kicks in 😂
I love mine but they stay as far away as can be!
in next video he be like,
hey guy's i'm selling my avid
I ran my Apollo for a decade. Other TH-camrs might be swapping their core rig all the time, but I’m over here trying to make music and just document it on TH-cam.
I love HDX. Bought the card new off eBay in 2018 for $2,100 and never looked back. Tracking on HDX is a dream.
Hear, hear!
Lynx Aurora (n) is a great converter as well. Up to 32 I/O in one rack!
I was going to buy a UA interface because I liked some of the plugins I can’t get natively. But eventually opted for the RME Babyface Pro FS for now and don’t regret it. Will eventually grab a Avid Pro Tools Carbon when the workflow calls for it 😜
The real problem is Avid. They don't want native Pro Tools to compensate delays automatically when using hardware precisely to sell HD setups which is absolutely annoying when you know that Logic for example can calculate for delay when using hardware inserts in a click of an button ...
This is actually interface specific. It does automatic delay compensation with hardware with my antelope audio galaxy as well as my previous apogee. Both are thunderbolt interfaces. The apollo interfaces can't hang with it for whatever reason.
@@AndrewMasters I bet it has a lot to do with the fact that your Antelope Galaxy is one of the few non Avid interface with is officially compatible with Pro Tools HD
@@whereismymind667 handful of interfaces will auto calculate delay comp on non hd pt. Lynx, antelope and apogee on PT Studio work great.
Bitwig does this on every interface.
@@AndrewMasters Andrew. I use studio one. The pipeline plugin has a mode that basically pushes a test signal through the interface out/in and then works out the delay. I don’t think it depends on the interface at all. The only time it will be wrong is if the hardware inserted has variable delay, but I don’t have that sort of hardware devices.
Sees the logo on the Box & instantly thinks it must be Avid Carbon 😂
damn mate i would first see the video but intantly you comment shows up and now i know it🤪
Me too.
That was my thinking too
I agree, many times an artist wants to add or change a part during mixing; so I just bounce out my mix, create a new session, then import the changes back into the mix session. It is a lot more economical than spending $25-30k. And yes I have 24 channels of outboard gear. I keep I/O templates for all the sample rates & my Antelope Orion via TB handles it all like a champ.
That for sure works, just one example of why I’m pumped to be back into the HD world. But yes, it’s not a budget option.
His new rig didn’t $cost that much
@@leftofcenter4 do tell....
@@leftofcenter4 You are correct! More like. $19k depending on how much cabling Dsub action required but still a lot of dough just to avoid a few work arounds. I have been on Pro Tools since before it was Pro Tools and I don't see the value per dollar unless there is a sponsorship deal happening.
@@leftofcenter4 You are correct. It is more like 19K give or take cabling and uncle Sam. Still I don't know if the argument holds up to the value. There is equal or better conversion at a lower price point.
Two x16s, one x6, and twin X for monitor control, running studio one (pipeline for automatic delay compensation) and a dangerous AD+ using AES (for high quality over dub conversion). Works great, don't have the losing two channels with x16s like you mentioned?
enjoy your new avid rig
Sounds like a great rig!
@@ColtCapperrune Also using an anatal XBAY ... it's a digital patch like the flock but better cost per patch point and lower noise, no fan, no amp'ing signals.
Great for having two templates I can switch from tracking template with all my hardware to mixing template and it allows me to get the most out of the I/O on the interfaces.
cheers!
I’ve added an Apogee Rosetta with my X8 and don’t have these issues as well. I think he should just say he wants these new interfaces. You can add expansion via lightpipe if he wants to stay in the Apollo environment. Just as long as it sounds great it doesn’t matter. All of his choices are great.
Studio One Pipeline is killer. That idea should be industry standard for all DAWs.
@@chrisbottoms6396 I heard great things about it as well but how does it sound in comparison to UA Apollo and the choice discussed here? The bottom line for me is the sound. I had my Apollo missed by BLA and I’m beyond happy.
I'm glad I mix in the box. Love my Apollo for at home. I have a digital mixer as an interface at work. Glad you're stoked!
Studio One pipelines do all the calculations/compensations for you. +1 for S1
Agreed!!!!
And it's always wrong
@@mirkomarkovic3438I have not found this to be the case. Can you elaborate on this? Maybe it depends on the interface?
@@mirkomarkovic3438 It still deserves a commendation for trying.
Yes so true, and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to run like protools
Welcome back to HD brother, we’ve been waiting for you. 😂😂
I’m equally excited for you. Let go!
Can't wait to see the new studio! I'm exited for you.
Awesome! Happy new rig day, Colt!
Congrats Colt !!! Looking forward to the vid's from the new room when it's done...
I do have a question about this gear. I've been looking for a rig where I have zero latency with plugins, and the closest thing I could get is connecting the mic or instrument to the audio interface, using my pod xt pro via spdif and monitor with that while I record the interface input on the daw. the problem with that is I can't do the same with my plugins which I like more. Is a pro tools hd rig like the one you have going to solve that? Im willing to pull the trigger on a that rig but only if it solves my issue. thank you in advance and cheers from Puerto Rico.
I have HDX and IMO tracking guitars with DI using DSP Amp Emulator with zero latency was a game changer. I also had the MTRX Studio and the big question for you is your plans for the grace m905. i went back and forth as the m905 is so nice.
Question for ya. How's pro tools with it's midi functions/features? I started with pro tools and mainly recorded vocals/a few instruments for clients. Once I started doing music production as well, I use ableton and it's intutive and amazing. However has latency issues and doesn't have the robust mixing features/latency features that pro tools has. Wondering how well midi works in pro tools? Or is it more of a live instrument recording type of DAW? Thank you for any input you have on this!!
Took me 10 years to switch my blackface Apollo 8 for a Lynx Aurora N. Nothing could convince me until this year i made the switch. It was like removing a filter from everything i was listening to. The only thing i regret is not doing it sooner. I bet that Avid Hd sounds incredible, congratz!
Damn that’s a huge upgrade!
Did the same last year. Conversion quality improvement with Aurora N. is substantial. Also, roundtrip latency via TB is also reduced compared to the Apollo and reported consistently across DAWs. Drivers matter! Congrats on your upgrade.
I'm with you guys on the lynx aurora it was the best purchase I've made in a very very long time, it was a huge upgrade from my apollo twin
Are you still using the Mbox Studio in the small room? Thoughts on that v Apollo?
happy for you!!!!
When I found out that the matrix is a 32bit float interface, plus you can control all pres from protools really made me want to switch over. Looks like a great rig!
I have 2x Apollo 16 Quads, 2x Apollo 8 Quads all silverface with 4 large racks of outboard, all works pretty smoothly with Neve summing as well. My PT template has an analog bus and digital bus architecture being fed by the same sends so I can go full in the box with the mix or analog with summing with a single click. For each of my analog hardware inserts I have an equivalent plugin and use the plugin to capture the hardware settings for recall. For example my Bricasti is mapped to my Seventh Heaven plugin, my hardware H3000's and the Eventide H3000 plugin, Manley Massive Passive and the UAD MP, etc. It was a giant pain to setup and I end up with a lot of channel folders but the flexibility is pretty great.
Ayyy, I have the apollo solo and my mbox studio is scheduled to arrive thursday! Not exatcly an HD rig but I'm excited to be running AVID everything. Soomething must be in the water lol
It was at that moment he knew he fd up 😅
That meme never gets old.
Thanks for the great video loved it first time seeing your channel
Hi Colt, Great video, very informative ! I also have been a faithful PT user since 04. Faithful user of Apollo, I started out with (2) 16 Silverface. I since have moved on to Avid Ultimate, (2)Apollo x16> Apollo x8p> Apollo 8 and satellite card. I have invested A LOT OF $$ into UA over the years . Early on delay compensation was no problem and did not have to think about it. Around 2019 ish, all that came to an end. I have received no help from UA or Avid. I , like you was forced to manually compensate . …. My question is: would you happen to know if Carbon can be used as a “Master” for my current set up? Other question , I currently have a Cranborne Carnaby HE2 on order. Waiting a few more months for Sweetwater to receive it. Do you know if I could switch over my order to your Sweetwater link? Thanks for all you do and your great honest content !!
Apollo x16 has 16ins and outs and monitors, currently ADC is working for HW inserts, however there have been problems some years ago, can not comment on mk2 Apollo…
Thank you for all your videos. Some people have no life they only exist to hang out in the comment section and criticize people who are making videos that cost us nothing to watch. 2 words for all who come to criticize. GROW UP!
Whoa!!!! I did not expect to see the HD first out of the box. Totally a fit for your use case tho. Great video.
Hey Colt, you can change your inputs & outputs to whatever you want in the I/O matrix, no matter what MK you've got.
Still, the HD rig seems so cool, I'd hope Digital Audio Denmark converters smoke the AVID I/O.
I started on protools 6 back in the day, but then.... I got more and more into film scores and sound design. Protools just didn't feel good in my newer work flow. Then a fellow engineer in Austin told me about Steinberg's Nuendo. Which was also geared toward live recording. Since 99% of my work flow is MIDI related, I looked at Cubase 8 Pro at that time. I thought I'd never switch from Protools. but, I did. I'm now in CB v.11.5 and haven't looked back. For my work flow and creative user in interface, Cubase Pro is it for me. But to each his own. Good luck with the new rig. I too hand off to mixing theaters, other musicians to lay in parts. That's why I use VST Connect pro and/or AAF transfers. No complaints yet because I don't have protools.
Honestly for film scoring Cubase / Nuendo is a beast and it's what some of the biggest guys use when dealing with midi orchestra work. Pro-tools sucks for that work.
Colt you got me pumped I can't wait to hear it get that thing set up
I run Focusrite Rednet, 128 channels with 96 channels of I/O on a Mac Studio doing Atmos. So easy. We have a considerable amount of hardware. Logic makes hardware time sync real easy.
I'm glad that you are back into your prefered work flow!
That's awesome Cole. Does Matrix have the time delay and room correction for the Atmos system?
My favorite thing in the world is unboxing new studio gear I love when I get a new peace of gear and then I get to unbox it and set it up and use it
Have you tried the Antelope Galaxy 32 interface? Wondering how it compares to the MTRX interface.
I have 16 external preamps, which is better for recording? Avid HD/IO or Avid MTRX Studio?
Happy for you Colt! :)
Hey Colt - congratulations on the new rig. Can't wait to see it all put together. I'm not a pro but I love the high end stuff.I'm running an Orion Studio Synergy Core - love it - right now; great converters and clocking. I don't know that I'll ever do Dollby Atmos, but I'm still thinking of upgrading to a Galaxy 32 which is Antelope Audio's tome of the line and it does Atmos. I mix through a Dangerous 2-Bus+ -.Love having a proper amount of I/O.
Almost 2 years ago, I swapped from the HD I/O interfaces to the MTRX Studio, wired up the whole studio (and some of my other gear) for Dante, and haven’t looked back. It was one of the best upgrades I’ve ever made here at my studio.
Congratulations on your upgrade!!
@13:11 "You should try Reaper bro" So, true!
Really, you should!
But hey, I don't make money with music anymore so I can try whatever, for pros you have to use PT.
I just never liked mixing on it, I hate the aux/bus system on it. It was archaic.
Great for tracking and editing, but crap when you need to quickly add a midi part. Yadada
Dante headphone cue mixes! Got to love HDX, it is the Schnizzle, not an AVID fanboy, but they are the leader in commercial professional workflow
Cool reveal. I’m mot a Pro Tools guy but I enjoyed watching you talk about your setup and the why behind you have the gear you have. Congratulations man
Try the Focusrite 16Line - amazing and can run either native or HDX
It would be very interesting if you do a video about your workflow when mixing with hardware. Recall, print... how long do you keep the hardware with a mix parameters?
You're doing such a great work here on the channel! :)
You will absolutely love your system!! I am running 3 HDiO interfaces with an Avid MTRX also! All of my hardware is connected and named (super important obviously)! 7.1.4 setup
Congrats! love your vids. Also, I bought an Avid S6... pricey but nice!
Love EDC and that knife. Especially the athletic edc. Just really satisfying.
you got me into EDC! changed my life. would love more EDC stuff!
I like EDC too!!!
I am using studio one 5 with a focusrite 18i20 3rd gen interface and I also using Hardware for mixing and have no issues with round-trip latency. I am pretty sure that studio one or to be particular Pipline (the outboard plugin from s1) is calculating the latency for me and not my interface
I just got a Ferrofish A32pro to go with my RME UFX III for a total of 40 I/O coupled with Totalmix that has room EQ for Atmos if I want to use it
Ah Braxal, you got the Ferrofish 😊
Do you like it ? I guess you do 👌🏼
@@Studio22mix After about 6-8 plus months going over all my options to go with my RME UFX III it will be here tomorrow. It is the newer version A32pro with the black face and the cool bone fish knob. I really hope I like it or I will be very disappointed.
@@braxal6983 I’m sure you will like it, they are made in the same factory as the RME converters. I think they are a perfect match 👍🏼
Hi colt, have you seen the Matrix II. It’s the updated version of the IO box. I think it has automatic round trip too and has built in atmos speaker calibration and tuning
mate the matrix ii is a TOTAL waste of money. matrix studio is the highest id ever go.
Congrats on the new Rig!!
I recall something similar to the Apollo
Delay compensation you referenced. It would just work, no issues … and then one day it stopped. My solution was to use i/O plugin in StudioOne/Logic Pro.
I’ve been considering switching over to the Lynx AuroaN 24ch : )
Man what a nice setup!
Welcome to the family!
Out of curiosity, isn't a plugin you could use to manage the input / output when using outboard gear ? Not saying you should use Logic, just as an example, there is the IO plugin that computes the round-trip time. Wondering if there is an alternative to that for other DAW's.
I think reaper do the same
Always pumped to see you with new studio upgrades Colt! Just hearing a little bit of the perks that come with Avid's interfaces definitely blows the Apollo's out of the water! Side note, I believe I had seen a setting in UAD Console to route the most recent gen rack mounted Apollo's monitor outputs to be whatever you wanted it to be, I could be wrong as I haven't had a need to remove my main outs, but I believe it's possible. Congrats on the new toys Colt!
I want to know exactly how you hook it up , I have a and Old AVID HD Sytem collecting Dust
touching on the monitoring subject - ive been using TC LEVEL PILOT for years now. its very clean, fully passive, and stands against other monitoring level controllers as a really transparent one. ive also managed to control 1 pair of monitors and 1 subwoofer through this same device via patchbay cloning technique, where the TCLP controls the volume of the Apollo (sent at 100%) and then goes into the patchbay to flow into the secondary device. Currently Im having a crossover for that task and no patchbay, but its certainly cool.
When recording in Pro Tools natively, here are some basic rules of thumb for setting the H/W Buffer Size in the Playback Engine window.
64-128 samples no one notices latency when recording
256 some musicians notice
512 and above everyone notices
Can you do a video on setting up hardware inserts in Protools? I’m in studio one and use pipeline XT…but I think I need a calculator to do this in PT….
First off, congrats on the kickass new rig! I would love to have the HD rig. But Im with you brother. Its amazing to me how much HATE you/me/anyone receive for running Pro Tools. I totally understand they are more expensive and all the other stuff people like to complain about. But like you said, as much as people love to say Pro Tools isnt the industry standard anymore, its still the industry standard as you have clearly stated. I know people who bash Pro Tools and dont even know why they are doing it. It mostly has become another dishonest, rumor based, subjective "fact", much like how plug-ins sound just as good/better and can achieve the same results as hardware. Anyways, keep us updated man.
Super relatable video! I’m curious to see how this works out in the long term. I was close to going with Avid for my Atmos rig, but decided to go with Focusrite instead due to Avids rocky behavior 😅
Hey Colt, I love your channel, thanks for your videos, they help a lot! What do you think about Metric Halo? Amazing workflow & routing capabilities w/ MIO Console, great converters, A1 support service and upgradable "future proof" unit (I bought a 2nd generation ULN8 in 2010 and upgraded the unit to MkIV last year for 1/4 of the price of a new audio interface)! Now I have 2 ULN-8 pluged with CAT5 in my mix room and 1 more in the drum booth... I love my setup! Thanks!
Colt, you just majorly help me make some decisions. Thanks man..
I believe the MTRX Studio is very similar to the Carbon, which I have here. My Carbon sounds absolutely fantastic. It was a huge leap in sonic quality from my old Apollo silverface. I especially love the sound of monitoring through it. I never realized how much I wasn’t hearing. Enjoy your new gear, and I look forward to hearing about your new Atmos rig once it’s ready.
so was the jump to the newer Apollos from Silverface. Times change man. It's not the product or the company.
Have you tried Prism Sound?
I use Burl mothership with a HDX rig. It has the round trip latency compensation for use with all my hardware. Years of savings, but well worth it
Just added a MTRX II To my studio ,using iz radar convertors coming in to the MTRX via Dante love it
You will need a silent rack or machine room with extenders for the noise of the fan on the HDX card.
No doubt, your new solution is a decent one, albeit an overly-expensive one. But, why not just use a DAW that has automatic delay compensation/calculation built-in?
I explain in detail in this video why I will not be switching from ProTools
@@ColtCapperrune Fair enough. But, I do understand what town you're in and why Pro-Tools is probably the best solution for you. I just questioned such an expensive solution when there are other options for fraction of the price.
Because delay compensation is always calculated wrong
@@mirkomarkovic3438 Can't beat a system where the software and hardware are made by the same company.
Love the EDC segment, personally...a G17, Casio 158, some folder I got from a TSA disposal when I did some work at an airport lol.
Ive been an Apollo user since the silver face's. Been on the Avid Carbon for almost year now and don't miss the Apollo workflow. I got so tired of it especially when the console would just randomly decide not to launch/work. If you're a Pro Tools user it's a no brainer to be on an HDX system! Great video.
I completely agree with you, I have been saying for a couple of years that the worst audio decision I have made in audio was going from Pro Tools HD with 2 HD I/O's to Apollo 8x and Apollo 16x. I may be doing the same soon. I an really interested with the Avid MTRX II converter...
I’m headed into the production world for real this year, is there any viable entry point for pro tools that won’t kill me so I can practice shortcuts and workflow?
Congrats on the rig. The HDIO is a really nice interface. I saw you also have a Flock Patch Bay. Given the routing you can do with the Flock, aren't these 2 pieces of gear somewhat redundant? How are you using each? Maybe a vid on that???
I feel your pain. I used a TDM and then HD Accel system for years and experienced the same frustration with having a second piece of software to manage and manual calculation for hardware inserts with my Apollo 16 system, but the lack of plugins supporting the AVID cards at the time pushed me U.A. Now, the subscription price keeps me from going back. I know “being a professional reasoning” and all but it just pisses me off not having a choice. Good luck in Avid-land again and give us an honest review in the future whether it’s as good as you remembered it.
The converters on your new rig are gonna be awesome. I track vocals on an HD Omni. You can plug a 100 USD mic into that thing and it sounds amazing.
Hey Chief. I had sniffed that Matrix in my sleep but man you picking up the HD I/O was a surprise.
I was having the same conversation the other day with another Engineer friend of mine about UA vs other Interfaces.
He just upgraded to an Atmos ( 7.1.4 ) setup from a 5.1 and needed a new Interface. Now, the Apollo is good but it is limited to Musical applications only and not for surround formats and especially for Post.
My friend could not afford a Matrix Studio so he went for Audient Oria and he is very happy with his decision though.
looking forward to the full atmos rig
Atmos is such bullshit
Yeah brother! Happy for you!!! Can you do a video about this same topic, connecting 32 I/o all analog from console to interface but using more affordable brands and systems, that way most of us would benefit! I’m trying to decide what interface to buy and pretty much would need 32 I/o but don’t have this kinda money! What would you recommend? Thank gou
RME UFX III and the Ferrofish A32 Pro
…40/40 io.😎👍🏾
Can you run all that in multiple Daws or will your set up be exclusively to pro tools?
I've been using protools since V6, will never change either because it is what I am used to.
Colt-Curious why you didn't role with the Grace M908 for ATMOS as opposed to the MTRX Studio? Are you still planning to monitor with your M905?
Have you checked out the Harrison/SSL Mixbus 32... now it just added the SSL console EQ
What’s the difference between your interfaces and the protools carbon?
Very nice and I'm happy you found something for your workflow to make you happier and more productive! No way anyone can bag on that.I've never been a PT guy - and am old and hung with cats working for cats that were working in A rooms that Digitech were "giving" the original 8 trk systems to, for FREE, so ya, I've seen the evolutions. For a small timer like me, and mostly recording my own stuff for the last few years, its RME *ALL day* every day, but 100% respect your requirement to run a skookum HD rig for your job! Very cool, bro and happy for ya!
What’s the pcie card chassis that you got?
Have a Carbon and love it! But aren't the HD/IOs EOL? Why not go with a HDX based around the MTRX II and skip the HD/IO?
The mtrx doesn’t actually register proper delay for hardware inserts, it’s got to do with the modularity of the unit.
The hdio is the only option, it’s a limited/controlled environment.
Are you still incorporating the Flock Audio Patch with this new gear?
Wow! I just bought a 192 for digital I/O and to pair with my RADAR ADA II which is HD Native. I don't plan on leaving the Pro Tools eco system because the editing is so good and it just works! I look forward to hearing your feedback on quality and workflow! Peace.
What’s are converters ? What is atmos your referring to ?
There is a fix for the outputs on the Apollo IO for inserts. Console has an IO preset for the each Apollo in use with Pro Tools. Then you re default Pro Tools IO and move everything over 2. Works perfectly. I agree on everything else though. Congrats on the upgrade!
Great choice brother 🔥
For some reason i've never been a fan of UAD converters, absolutely love my Prism tho. Congratulations on the new converters, please give your inputs on the D/A when you listen to the focals through the Avid box. 🙏
Finally! Welcome to the club!
You will love it!
I’m gonna be switching to the Focusrite red line16 from the Apollo blackface, atmos integration is in the works
Love your Knife!!