Panasonic DP-UB820 HDR Tone Mapping Overview - 4k Blu-Ray Player
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Thanks a lot. Your video is very informative. All the best.
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative! Got this player a few weeks ago. Definitely going to try out the HDR optimizer. Thanks!
Glad it helped!
HDR 10+ and Dolby seem to overrule the Optimizer- setting
This doesn’t for work Dolby Vision, the setting isn’t available
Great video brother. Can you do a video explaining how to connect the UB9000 to an DENON AVR using the analog preouts? I hear that it can enhance the sound a great deal in movies because it would then be using the high quality inbuilt DACS for audio processing in the movie.
Hey - How man channels are you looking to use in your theater? The 9000 only has 7.1 analog outputs so that might limit what you can achieve using it that way. Lots of folks doing things this way run a 7.1 system and just use the player as their preamp. Wire this direcly to amplifiers.
@@JilesMcCoy Right now I only have a 5.1 but my denon x4400h does 9.2
I'm struggling between buying the UB 820 vs the UB9000. My burning question is, is there an significant audio quality/fidelity difference between the two when watching movies via HDMI?
@@mystickid1 No difference. I had that same quandary and went with the 820.
@@JilesMcCoy thanks man. Yeah it's confusing. I hope others aren't buying The UB9000 for its internal DACs if they're only using it for movies over HDMI.
Great demo, but who actually knows what that scene in John Wick 2 is supposed to look like. Probably better to pick a scene that is something we might have a clue what it would look like in reality.
Very true!
A good reference scene is to pause in a very bright moment like a big explosion. Then you pick the setting where you see most detail within the explosion or bright scene.
Nice video but a couple of issues, could have been so much better
1) a projector has practical no dynamic range so the advaNced setting will show almost no change. Chuck it ON an OLED and the max and minimum settings will destroy the
Image.
2) The screen grab you Used has very little dynamic range in iT. If you chose somethIng like PACIFIC RIM the night time Fight in the city, WOW
Thanks for the tips!
Can you turn on HDR optimizer with Dolby Vision? Its not letting me use it.
Philweezer 👆🏻
Duane Bennett huh?
Philweezer sorry. I commented further up the page about the optimiser and thought if I put that hand emoji there it would make sense but I saw as soon as I sent it that it didn’t 🤣🤣🤣
No the HDR Optimizer is only for HDR 10 content.
Note: the HDR optimizer doesn't work on Dolby Vision or HDR10+ discs.
Thanks for the heads up.
Should I have the HDR Optimizer set to 'Off' when viewing HDR10+ content? Seems like they would both be doing the same thing and "fighting" against each other.
it switches off when you are Viewing HDR10+/Dolby vision content because of the variable scene by scene meta data they use makes adjustments automatically with compatible tv's etc
Who else here has bought the UB 820, and ordered the UB 9000 remote from China on ebay for $25...I certainly did!👍👍
What does that get you?
It helps him sleep much better at night - obviously
@@JilesMcCoy more buttons to get direct access to some menu settings, and that really poorly placed netflix button is moved out of the way.
I bought a genuine remote from Panasonic though, it wasn't much dearer than a cheap knock off but it works a feels a lot better.
I have the same player (820) & an LG CX. I'm wondering should I turn off the TVs tone mapping and leave the Panasonic Blu-ray player to do it? I'm not sure whether the feature on the TV would be messing up the process by tone mapping again. Thanks.
Vincent from HDTV test said that the tone mapping from the player is superior.
The colors are dull and washed out when I turn the HDR on . Why is this happening ? Panasonic DP-UB420 connected to a Philips 436M6 hdr monitor . Can someone please help me ?
Did you set your display type?
@@JilesMcCoy Yes .... I think .
I have the very same Panasonic player, and the very same problem. Flat and dull 4K picture quality, especially when compared directly to the 4K disc's standard Blu-ray counterpart.
I'm watching on a Sony OLED, and EVERY 4K movie I watch looks dull and flat compared to its standard Blu-ray version.
The only way I can get comparable picture quality from 4K discs to compare to the SDR Blu-rays is to run contrast brutally high, and likewise the colour and brightness.
What I'm clumsily trying to say is that by using the same picture settings on each HDMI input, my Blu-rays look more vibrant, and colourful than the 4K versions.
Is the only way to make 4K Blu-ray 'pop' really just a matter of running the TV's contrast very high? But if that's the case, then I could turn up the contrast on a standard Blu-ray and blow the 4K outta the water..
I must be doing something wrong, but I have no idea what.
Help please?
@@jonahlevin67 At least I'm happy to know I'm not the only one here with this problem
@@jonahlevin67 Did you ever figure this out? I have the same issue with 4k movies. I have to put the color to max and the HDR adjustment to high to make it comparable to the blu-ray counterparts.
Thanks for this. Just bought the 820 to go with my Panasonic GZ2000. Now I'll be able to fine tune the player's input to this awesome tv.
Congrats!
Very nice tv. I have the Panasonic jz1500.
None of these settings are ideal. How am I supposed to know how all these affects the calibration?
At 6:54 the White tone mapping changed the vertical reflections from blue to white!!! I could see this clear as day!! The White Tone mapping actually does something!!! Please check time stamp!
Hello, I’m thinking of buying a Panny 820 or 9000 for my Sony native 4k projector. Since you look satisfied with your 820, I’d like to know what projector do you have. Thanks and great video!
André Lavoie I’ve got Optoma UHD65.
Very helpful- I own a 2021 Samsung Q95T (Q90 in the U.S.) and have it set to Super High Luminance (tv can get up to 2000 nits in it's 'Dynamic Mode'). I was wondering in the Panasonic's setup menu for 4K60p Output, 4K/60p(4:4:4) output, ...is this correct for my particular tv...or is that for projectors?
Isn't all the calibration suppose to be performed from the tv? To me HDR optimizer is like going in my Oppo and messing with color, gamma etc.
Great video. Do you adjust either of the Luma High/Mid frequencies under the sharpness settings on the Panasonic for 4K HDR discs, or just leave them on the default setting of 0 ? TIA
The settings you adjusted, do they automatically reset when playing next disc? Is there a one button reset to factory? What about peek brightness? I have an older 4k TV, low end TCL Roku, so it doesn't get very bright. I'm hoping to replace tv this fall. Thanks
Very informative and just what i needed to know
Glad it was helpful!
recommend to set hdr in a natural environment?
You mean with ambient light?
JDM World yes
JDM World excuse a last question and also for my english, is it possible to activate both hdr options on panasonic ub820 and on my tv oled lg?
Hi , I have a question about Panasonic DP UB820EBK. I ordered the Panasonic in UK because it was nowhere to be found here in Austria and it will come next week! How did you connect that? HDMI audio to AVR and second HDMI video to TV? Is it right or HDMI audio + video to AVR and from AVR to TV Arc? How is it best to connect? Thank you very much!
Simply connect the HDMI output of the panny player to your AVR/Processor. Thats it!
@@JilesMcCoy Thank you 🙏
I know this is old, but I'll leave it here for future reference.
The answer is, it depends on your receiver. If your AVR is capable of decoding or passing through HDR, you only need to connect one HDMI from your UB820 to the AVR, then from the AVR to the TV or projector.
My AVR can't handle the latest HDMI standard (only v1.4). It can't pass through 4k anymore, so I have one HDMI to the AVR for surround audio and one to the TV for 4k video.
Hi i purchased this player for my optoma uhd550x and when i ran the new toy story 4 4kuhd disc and pressed the hdr button a message came up saying 'this function is valid only during HDR video output' and wouldnt let me click any of the options on this video....i can confirm the HDR logo did infact appear in the top right corner when playing the disc which i always assumed meant that HDR was enabled. Do you have any solution to this???
I have never seen this problem before.
@@JilesMcCoy i have suspicion its because i am plugged into hdmi port 1 but when i try plug my cable into hdmi 2 (hdcp2.2) it just comes up with a static screen
Seen your video picked up this player and lg cx , would you recommend turning the optimizer on ? Any help with settings thanks
Hello! I just bought this as an upgrade to my previous 4K player. I installed it the same way my last one was. HDMI Video/Audio Out plugged directly into my TV. Unfortunately on many of my movies the video is now slightly lagging the audio. This never happened with my previous player. Any idea what’s causing this, or how to fix it? Thanks!
Go to the audio settings and play around with the Audio Delay setting. Same thing happened to me (I did a separate HDMI for Audio) and setting a delay of 120-130 seems to fix it.
Buy a better HDMI cable.
@@stugtodd2778 Thank you, it can't be that though. The HDMI cable I'm using is of high quality. My only guess is that my 2018 TCL 6 Series TV doesn't mesh well with it? I'd like to try the player on a newer and higher quality TV.
@@stugtodd2778 As a carrier for digital signals, an HDMI cable either works, or if it's defective, or of extremely shoddy construction, the TV or AVR won't get ANY signal at all! As countless tests of HDMI cables done by Consumer Reports, & other honest testing venues have shown, even a $6 HDMI cable, such as those available on Amazon, will provide video and audio that's identical in quality to these $1,100 cables that certain rip-off companies sucker the unwary into buying. In the days of analog (non-digital) video and audio signals being sent through cables, one could argue for paying more than rock bottom prices for cables since analog signals are vulnerable to certain types of interference (such as from RF signals), so analog cables had to have sufficient shielding to block such interference that might cause video noise or audio distortion. BUT, digital signals, by their nature, are IMMUNE to such interference. So you don't have digital signals being degraded by interference as they travel through an HDMI cable. With HDMI, signals either make it through a cable in the identical form that they had when first entering the cable, or signals won't make it through the cable at all! Signals not getting through can occur with HDMI cables so poorly made their connectors can't make good connections with your equipment, or there's a break somewhere within the cable. BTW, with both the 77 inch Sony Master Series OLED that we purchased in early 2021, as well as with the 85" Samsung QN90B top of the line mini-LED/LCD TV that we bought 3 weeks ago, we use Monster Cable HDMI cables of their Gold Series which cost us just $5 each for the cables we got in the 4 ft. length, and $7 each for the cables of the same series that we needed in the 6 ft. length. We got those cables at a NE Ohio discount store called Ollie's, that must have bought a large close-out of Monster cables, because the store has a ton of them. Plus, the specifications for the cables show that they have the high speed type required for 4K HDR, as the cables can transmit signals at a data rate of 21 Mega-bits per second. Long story short, those HDMI cables, in spite of their very low price, provide totally stunning video and audio results with our top grade home theater equipment!
Im curious to know if your PJ doesnt do dolby vision will it do it with this player since it does support it?
It wont.
@jean marc Giroux you can buy an HD Fury Vertex and that will give you the Dolby Vision option.
What do you think about pairing this with the Sony 295es to handle tone mapping?
It should match well with anything other than a tool dedicated to tone mapping like the madvr envy.
@@JilesMcCoy thank you. What do you know about the HD Fury Vertex 2 as a product?
Hello and congratulations for the video. A fundamental question, unfortunately the 1100 euro big brother 9000, on mkv movies from usb, does not emit high resolution audio, i.e. the dts-hd master audio, dolby atmos and dolby true hd are muted, they only work from the original blurays. Can you tell me if this model doesn't have this castration wanted by Panasonic on the 9000? Thank you!
I wouldn’t use any of these to play mkv files.
I ended up with Panasonic ub420 because my JVC 4K PROJECTOR doesn't have dolby vision alot of projector doesn't support dolby vision. Im very happy with it Panasonic did a good job! This cut the price down soo why pick the ub820? The ub420 is perfect for your projector it saves you money plus movies this days doesn't even have dolby vision.
I like the Panny!
Excellent tutorial. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Isn’t the only difference bw pan 820 and 420 is Dolby Vision? And the Optoma UHD65 doesn’t support DV. Why the 820 over the 420 for your set up?
Some HDR movies don’t need any settings tweaks because they look great but others like the last Jedi you definitely need to bump up the setting to natural or even the one over that with HDR optimizer on.
I kinda get your point, but being a audiophile and coming from that world where your best high end gear doesn’t have tone knobs to adjust sound on the CD or vinyl you’re listening to, you are hearing what the artist intended, good or bad, and of course some disc will sound better than others, I feel the same way when I throw in a movie, it’s like, let’s see who got it right, or not, without me trying to “fix” it for them when I don’t know what they intended it to look like anyway! So, I’m leaning toward the Sony X800M2, because I have one downstairs on my Sony A9g, I know when the director got it right, the picture will be outstanding, and when they didn’t, I don’t have to spend my time playing cinematographer. lol
This is all great, but shows why tv’s rule. Most users will never change settings or even care.
This is true!
So bad player, don't work with 4K files via USB ports! Blu Ray discs upscale very bad! Terrible remote control! Great disappointment! 👎
One of the very best for playing 4k discs. If you want a file player you should look at Zappiti.
@@JilesMcCoy You have little experience with DVD, Blu Ray players! The Panasonic DVD-RV60 bought in 2000 was also very bad! Pioneer, Yamaha and Sony make much better products! The second Panasonic machine and the same shit as the first 20 years ago 😂
This player has way too many settings. It's just complicated.
That it is.
@@JilesMcCoy I'm getting mines delivered today because my LG UBK90 keeps freezing 4K triple layer discs.
@@Revolver1981 I love mine!
@@JilesMcCoy I'm returning mine because it has numerous scratches on the underside and it was delivered a day later than usual. Was supposed to be delivered yesterday. Also with all the settings it has it doesn't seem to have a setting to make those two black bars either side of the screen go away. Because some of my standard DVD discs are in a certain format.
@@Revolver1981 That’s a weird set of issues.
Hey again, i have a denon 2300w receiver and a panasonic 820 4k player and a samsung 900b. What is the best way to connect all three to get lossless audio through my speakers and 4k to my tv, i know the 820 has two hdmi outputs one is audio and one is video , would i connect hdmi audio out to receiver and the hdmi video out straight to tv or would i use the passthough on the receiver with one hdmi cable to receiver, or is there another way. Any help would be great. Thanks again...Phil
Just run video and audio into your avr and then run hdmi from the earc port on the avr to the tv and you’ll be good.
@@mauricioyoung6668 Thanks
Great vids. I have ub-450 and I cant find pretty much nothing difference between 4K and blu-ray movies. With 4K colours are washed and cant see any advantage with higher resolution either. Ub-450 has no HDR adjustments. Do I really need to buy ub-820 to see somekind of boost in quality. Pretty disapointted atm. Just bought this ub-450... They say example Jaws 4K has insane quality etc. I have tested it a lot. I cant see any improvements in dark areas or colours. Is that upscale so good, that blu-ray comes so near 4K quality. Either way, whole 4K is big disapointment to me. TV settings are ok. What should I try?
You might be having some kind of HDR issue.
@@JilesMcCoy Yes, but what it could be. :)
My question is how is HDR10+ work on a TV that only does HDR10? Is the player making the adjustments knowing that the TV doesn’t decode it?
Im not sure it would.
I have a Samsung m9500. Is the Ub 820 better ?
I am a fan of the Panny!
Does this player play 4k hdr files from usb disk well? I have the same UHD65 projector and am interested in the hdr optimizer features but play only files.
I dont know. I just use this for disks. If you want a file player I would go with a different tool.
Probably a PC running MADVR would give you the best experience.
i think it does run 4k files but you won't get lossless audio formats like DTS HD Master or dolby atmos, you will be stuck with DD AC-3 or stereo. For digital files you need a mediaplayer.
Got this on the way, jumping up from my xbox one x for 4k movies
Big upgrade!
I literally just upgraded from the One X to this and I'm loving it.
I received a Panasonic DP-UB820 Blue Ray device today
1. After hours of testing, digital sound cannot be obtained through Dolby Digital / DTS only PCM
ON USB!!!
You are unable to connect via HDMI?
@@JilesMcCoy What's the connection to HDMI?
I'm talking about watching movies through USB
Yeah...watching movies through USB of this player is pretty much useless,video works in many cases but not audio.
Im using the mediaplayer in my LG tv for that purpose.(through USB)...it plays everything it seems and no video or audio issues,picture quality is also better than through 820s USB.
@@sircurtis6849 Samsung TV Can't Do It No HDMI2.1
How to transfer sound + photo of movie?
optimizer doesn't work in dolby vision mode, says function is unavailable
Slyder695 this is the same case with the UB9000. It’s the only issue I’ve ran into on mine, 4k hdr blurays are fine so far, but I’m having an issue with a dolby vision series on the built in Netflix app. Where by, you can physically see the entire screen luminance change from one scene to the next, dark bright bright dark..so tempted to turn the optimiser off for Netflix and see if it makes any difference.
Slyder695 albeit, Dolby vision is a format of the creators intent, so they don’t allow you to mess with the format it’self. Lol
The whole point of DV is that it adjusts range dynamically.
Is it better use EARC for the audio for the player or use HDMI from player to the soundbar? I'm using LG soundbar that has EARC and I am wondering if its better connect to the TV for better Dolby Atmos audio because if connect it to HDMI on soundbar I dont think it as good of audio?
It seems like HDMI out to your decoder would be the best bet?
@@JilesMcCoy It's the
LG SN9YG 5.1.2 Channel 520W Dolby Atmos Sound Bar with LG C10 4k OLED.. I'm asking you if I should use HDMI in or use EARC for the sound. The soundbar itself does have built in decoder so by plugging the 4k Blu-Ray directly into HDMI in should give me more access to sound codecs since LGS 4k OLEDs are limited to only DTS True HD audio and Dolby Atmos but cannot do DTS HD MASTER AUDIO from EARC. But I am wondering if can still get full the chroma subsampling. However it is only 10 bit TV so the HDMI in should give me full access to the TVS capabilities when plugging it into HDMI in right when trying do Dolby Vision correct? I think EARC would be best for game consoles where HDMI IN would be best suited for this player right?
@@sexydanny21awesome I would guess that you run the disc player to an input on your TV. And then EARC from your TV to the soundbar.
@@JilesMcCoy So plugging the player into the TV itself would produce a much better picture than if I put the 4k Blu-Ray player into the HDMI In? Would this improve the sound as well? I did have player plugged directly before and Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision were both supported I was just wondering if theres any difference either way.
@@JilesMcCoy I know EARC is good for PS5 because thats only way you could get 4k at 120 HZ with sound. But soundbar does have HDMI in with HDMI 2.0 and that should actually support everything player needs to do right? I'm kinda running out of ports and I am trying figure out if I should just plug in the player directly. I got Apple 4k TV, Cable Box, PS5 and this 4k Blu-Ray player so I'm guessing I should just plug 4k Blu-Ray player directly into HDMI in on the soundbar and use rest for EARC right? I mean LG literally said that HDMI IN is for Dolby Vision 4k Blu-Ray Players and they added port just for that reason and its supports Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos so guess the Panasonic 4k Blu-Ray Player would be fine connected directly in right?