Yes. That law makes it a "duty" for employers to publish the average male and female wages putting men at a disadvantage when trying to get a pay increase or into that senior position.
Absolutely. The whole 2010 Equality Act, although passed by a Tory government, was another stage in Blair's destruction of Britain and was flawed from the beginning, effectively legalising certain kinds of discrimination. It is particularly used as a stick with which to beat down the native British (white) majority.
Seriously though, the police recording non crimes as just 'Hate incidents' is the police recording what the state considers 'bad behaviour' and that is so many levels of effed up when you think about it
As a waiter in the 90s, I once served someone from behind and said excuse me madam but it was actually a man rocking an amazing Guns and Roses mane. We both laughed and moved on. Before my voice broke as a kid I answered the phone and they thought they were speaking to a girl not a high pitched male not yet through puberty. Again we laughed. This misgendering thing is nonsense. No one wants to cause any offence but it’s not even being corrected and either he or she it’s them and all these ridiculous pronouns. People make mistakes even when it’s nothing to do with transgenderism. Crocodile Dundee famously checked for himself a couple of times in that movie. We all laughed about it moved on and we didn’t seem to have people playing victim.
‘Hate Crime” is the first thing that needs to be abolished recent events have proven that it is subject to too much of a wide variety of interpretation and easily abused
You know that the slime values have been fully opened when a lawyer says "India has a very good case to bring." Immediately after the anti Jewish "hate speech" being spouted by islamists and lefties has just been highlighted but got zero comment by the "never comment on islam" stooge.
I have a screenshot in which India calls another male-to-female trans woman a "man". The person is Debbie Hayton. If you ask me or Debbie we can show you the screen shot. If India believes this to be a crime why hasn't he handed himself in to the police?
There is no such thing as misgendering. If some people are deluded enough to believe that they are anything other than what they actually are thats their issue. Just don’t ask sane people to go along their delusion.
I find this pronoun bullying bloody pathetic! If you are male you are he/him & females are she/her. Stop trying to make the majority bow to your perceived gender. I am not doing it…..
Not just gender nonsense, the pronoun brigade are just as bad. How are sane, normal people supposed to know some persons pronouns, the daftest one is the they/them ones, these are plurals when there is only one of these persons.
Why is the barrister talking about transgender identity rather than transgender/gender reassignment as per the Equality Act. Does he know his subject at all?
Because he is talking about the hate crime framework not the equality act. In the hate crime framework it is transgender identity in the equality act (civil law) it is gender reassignment. Disappointed that nobody took on the ridiculous situation where the hate crime framework allows anybody to ‘perceive’ anything to be ‘hostile’ and have the police record a NCHI against someone which is very clearly open to abuse.
@@curiositykilledkat1No, he was talking about the list of ‘protected characteristics’ under the Equality Act 2010. If you don’t know, I’d sit this one out. Too many people, including this quack barrister, can’t hold a debate in a straight line based on ‘factual knowledge’ and razor sharp listening skills.
I hope you save the same lack of acceptance for anyone who is religious, as by definition it's even more based in delusions with no basis in biology, physics, chemistry. Truth is not only a scientific statement but one that has been philosophically debated for centuries. At least with the transgender debate we are discovering that hormones have a driver in the issue and think we will find out more with time. Religion will never have any scientific backing as like Trans it is all about deep routed feelings and beliefs. I am happy to accept both as people's truth's are accepted every day, and science cannot yet fully explain human feelings and emotions. You could counter and say 'it's dangerous', and I agree it does have potential negatives, particularly for hard won women's rights, but these can be delt with by cooperation and understanding. If you want to see real danger based in belief not science, just look at what is going on in the middle east right now. For societies to stop accepting religion would be far more beneficial to humanity that a marginal trans denial. I personally believe in live and let live however.
The Equalities Act is in itself unworkable. Islam as a religion condemns homosexuality and 3 men in a Reading park lost their lives from this belief. Yet new laws will make it illegal for gay people to purely criticise Islam. Speech needs to be totally free and only become a criminal act when the words become actions.
"India has a certificate"? I've got a certificate too .. a birth certificate, which states name of my parents etc .. and my sex/gender. So, are all birth certificates now invalid? Can I now tell the policeman who catches me drinking a pint of cider when I'm 12 that I am actually 18? "But your birth certificate proves you are 12!" ... "Yeah, but I've chosen to be 18 today"
India tried to shame Guwine for rejecting his kiss. As if Ginuwine is not allowed to discriminate who he is intimate with. He should have charged with sexual assault
Far too much legal process in this country is revolving around the feelings of certain people. It is not my job to affirm the mental delusions of other people. If India Willoughby want to be seen as a woman then perhaps she should start acting like one rather than the aggresive man in a frock that seems to be her public persona.
Of course it’s about kindness. I have a clear mental image of Willoughby pointing a finger at a group of women in the Big Brother house, shouting at them “I AM A WOMAN! LET THAT PENETRATE!”, being the typically kind person that he is.
Does that bloke really think that Willoughby passes for a woman? His face and body scream “I’m a man”, and his demeanour and attitude are very aggressive and not at all typically female.
Facts don't care about feelings, I don't believe in gender or the misogynistic and toxic ideology that goes with it, so why do I have to play their game? Their wants and demands come at women's expense where is the kindness there? When were women consulted on any of this? NEVER. How do you misgender if gender is a made up concept and part of an ideology and not real? This is what happens when you bastardise and manipulate language to suit an ideology and a political agenda, we end up with compelled speech and I will NEVER agree to that.
Very disturbing that a highly trained lawyer cannot see that there is a huge difference in being gay, than men 'feeling' they are women and being in women's private spaces.
when last i looked the words THEY and THEM was to do with a GROUP OF PEOPLE and not a single person just like he and she HE a man SHE a woman you can't call a person that was born male and stayed male for 40+ years and suddenly that's been under a knife a woman you can change your looks to look like a woman but you cant be a woman you cant change male chromosomes to female chromosomes and you can't give them female parts like Sexual Reproductive organs so there for not a woman and its the same for women that want to look like a man and i thought it was illegal to change a birth certificate
Truth is the ultimate kindness, better to be told delusional than to cut off healthy body parts, take hormones that give you cancer, regret it all only to find out you have been lied to... could you imagine the rage?
Being ‘kind’ by addressing people by their preferred pronouns when that pronoun does not align with their biological sex is good if that is as far as it went. The problem is that it goes beyond just addressing them by their preferred pronouns. These people think that because they are addressed by their preferred pronouns it gives them rights to enter safe spaces or partake in sports in the gender they identify as, not as their biological sex. For that reason I will not ‘be kind’ by addressing people by their preferred pronouns until it is made clear that trans women cannot enter women’s safe spaces or trans men cannot enter men’s spaces.
how does calling a male "he" constitute a "hate" anything ??? there is no hatred there. Not even strong dislike or hostility. its a statement of fact . if facts bother you take some classes or therapy and learn to live with facts .
Totally not the same. JKR did not call man, by accident. JKR believes gender is how you were born, ie a man or a woman. The norm for millennia. 5 minutes ago we are told to go against everything we know to be true.
He says it’s unkind to misgender but women can’t afford to be kind. If we call one by their chosen pronouns we cannot then object when then enter our spaces such as changing rooms and toilets or sports. Women are always expected to be kind.
Wait wait… You’re telling me that according to British law, a subjective experience can be an actionable criminal offense?? Have you guys gone completely insane?! That’s only one step removed making criminal wrongthink laws. I am so happy i’m not a UK citizen right now.
Kind of and yes it is very worrying. For something to be a hate crime it must be a crime & aggravated by the victim or someone else’s ‘perception’ that it was motivated by hostility towards one of the protected characteristics (which are different to the EA ones). Further a ‘non-crime hate incident’ can be recorded if a person perceives someone has said or done something motivated by hostility towards a PC but the thing they said or did is not a criminal offence. This is extremely worrying because a NCHI can be disclosed to future employers where a criminal records check is required. There is no right for this to be forgotten unlike if you were convicted of a crime a while ago meaning NCHI are actually worse than actual crimes in their potential impacts. The police are not supposed to record NCHI if they aren’t likely to be useful data re potential later criminal offences but the whole thing is ridiculously vague, open to abuse and unnecessary since judges have always been able to consider aggravating factors in sentencing convicted criminals. It allows someone who has one of the hate crime PC to use the police force vexatiously in order to achieve political or other aims & is an extraordinary waste of time. Beware any reporting about U.K. ‘hate crime/incidents’ since they are entirely based on whether someone perceives hostility - something that is completely subjective & vulnerable to activism.
The Dr gets my vote, her interjections were exactly what I was thinking. She is spot on. As for referring to someone as they them, the only way I will do that is after I have consumed a number of pints. Then we can talk they them, not before. I agree with the lawyer that language changes over time, but it changes by evolution not revolution. Not by activists telling us how we will now use the English language.
Great barrister when he thinks there are only 5 protected characterises under the Equality Act 2010. There are 9. Not 5! Hardly someone I’ll be paying much attention to.
It’s frightening how clueless this barrister is 😮 A very liberal, middle class man, who clearly can’t separate his politics from his profession. Exactly what has gone wrong with the judicial system.
I take hormone treatment every day because of cancer. It’s insane to me we just fuck with kids hormones and even with adults it’s a huge thing imo. My own doctor told me we don’t fully understand how hormones affect the body. When my levels dropped I had a complete breakdown and nearly attempted suicide. I wasn’t myself at all. It totally fucked my head.
That barrister Paul is just plain wrong (MD of "LGBT Lawyers"...). The wording is clear "Any CRIME can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity" - there needs to be a CRIME first - something that is criminally illigal in its own right. Can hostility be a crime in its own right? - Yes but people are hostile online all day, every day. So the bar for criminal hostility cannot just be "I was upset by it". Otherwise there would be literally millions of prosecutions a week. We simply don't need these laws. We're not undergoing some new worsening of crimes motivated by hatred of these protected classes. If anything, society is more tolerant than it has ever been. If we didn't need these laws 50 years ago, we sure don't need them now. And the fact that people are trying to abuse them to shut others up is a strong sign we need to get rid of them. As for "non crime hate incidents" - the police should not be making records of citizens who have specifically NOT committed crimes, by the police's own standards. List-keeping is the sort of thing totalitarian states do to put fear into the populace.
We do not own pronouns nor should we be compelled to deny biological reality no matter what is recorded on a piece of paper. My feelings are hurt by those who wish not only to limit my speech but also to force me to utter falsehoods. Keep the law out of such matters.
The problem being quite a few " real" women are leftie feminists and agree with this transgender nonsense allowing these misogynists to bully and intimidate all women , Ordinary real males were NEVER the enemy
'Real women'whatever that means just voted to include trans women in the ladies pond on Hampstead heath so I expect you only want women to decide these issues when they agree with you. Nicola sturgeon is a 'real woman' to use your expression and I doubt your a fan of hers. The truth is many 'real women' march on trans rights marches and are allies to the community and there is a real diversity and range of opinion among women. There are the trans exclusionary radical feminists, but there is also intersectional feminism.. women are extremely divided on this issue in the UK.. less so in the States
Be careful what you wish for. Most men are trying to help protect womens spaces and then youre telling them to stop. Personally i hope they do. I hope men just leave yall women to deal with it alone.
I see the Barrister has been reading Stonewall notes on the law again. The protected characteristic is 'Gender reassignment' and the law only binds services and businesses, not interpersonal relationships. And scotland showed us you need a GRC to be fully protected by services as it is. So, we can call any man a man rr barrister.
Well the courts would be full of “hurty feelings” cases if HE reported the thousands of people who won’t be compelled to take part in HIS delusion. HE has only gone after JKR for publicity. I’m sure HE has been particularly vicious towards JKR and I hope she sues the arse off HIM.
There is no such thing as mis-gendering because there's no such thing as "self-identification". ID is done by external parties/other people to clearly point out who is who based on their distinguishing characteristics - a John/Jane Doe lying on a slab in a mortuary is not identified by their feelings, but by their DNA or dental records etc. And they're identified as male or female by either a vagina or a penis. Both of which (along with the secondary sexual characteristics that go along with them such as beards or boobs) have been known identifying factors of men and women since we first existed, and trying to change that fundamental fact of identifying people in society is slowly leading to a collapse in law and order, as shown by the ridiculous "non-crime hate incident" rubbish and this "barrister" believing crimes should be decided by someone's hurty feelings.
If you report an actual crime where peoples' wellbeing, safety, and property are involved the police no longer want to know. If you say something and it's perceived as insulting (it may not be) then they come down on you like a ton of bricks. I no longer have respect for any officer who doesn't have the balls to call out this sort of nonsense as bringing the law (and its enforcers) into disrepute. If I were a police officer I would resign if I had to enforce such ludicrous laws. I urge any who are to so do.
It’s embarrassing as a man to see the woman on the show being the only person talking sense - & this barrister is a classic example of how our judicial system is hopelessly weak & out of touch with the people.
R v Scottow is better in this case IMO since they were considering malicious comms apparently. Police need to be mindful of Miller v College of Policing too re potential recording of NCHI.
Literally the worst debate for both sides. Gender identity is completely unrelated to sexuality, the reason it requires a gender recognition certificate is because you’re literally changing your identity. Gender critical beliefs are protected by law, so if you don’t believe a trans woman is a woman surely you can’t be forced to use their pronouns? I personally would use someone’s pronouns, however, I don’t believe people should be forced to use language they disagree with.
It doesn't even meet the threshold for hate. Rowling's beliefs are also a protected characteristic, so her belief that a man cannot be a woman is protected.
Does the barrister know the Equality Act? Gender reassignment is a recognised characteristic, not transgender identity. He also forgot that SEX is a protected characteristic. I won't do compelled speech.
Can we all just get back to reality? Men cannot change into women and women cannot change into men so why are so many people going along with the whole ridiculous charade?
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Do you agree with Dr Renee Hoenderkamp about abolishing the Gender Equality Act?
Yes. That law makes it a "duty" for employers to publish the average male and female wages putting men at a disadvantage when trying to get a pay increase or into that senior position.
Absolutely. The whole 2010 Equality Act, although passed by a Tory government, was another stage in Blair's destruction of Britain and was flawed from the beginning, effectively legalising certain kinds of discrimination. It is particularly used as a stick with which to beat down the native British (white) majority.
Yep! Its being used for things it was never meant for so get rid!
Yes, because people should not have to lie so as not to hurt the feelings of these idiots.
Because people are incapable of not abusing these rights. No rights should be given. So yes.
It shouldn't even be a "non-crime hate incident" to state a fact of reality. That idea should be scrapped, too.
It should have been. Priti Patel said to the police it must stop but they have just ignored her
Seriously though, the police recording non crimes as just 'Hate incidents' is the police recording what the state considers 'bad behaviour' and that is so many levels of effed up when you think about it
Reality is she's trans. Seems like you are the one ignoring facts.
There are is soooo much gas-lighting trying to make misgendering not only a thing but a crime too, when it is neither.
As a waiter in the 90s, I once served someone from behind and said excuse me madam but it was actually a man rocking an amazing Guns and Roses mane. We both laughed and moved on. Before my voice broke as a kid I answered the phone and they thought they were speaking to a girl not a high pitched male not yet through puberty. Again we laughed. This misgendering thing is nonsense. No one wants to cause any offence but it’s not even being corrected and either he or she it’s them and all these ridiculous pronouns. People make mistakes even when it’s nothing to do with transgenderism. Crocodile Dundee famously checked for himself a couple of times in that movie. We all laughed about it moved on and we didn’t seem to have people playing victim.
It can't be a hate 'crime' because there's no CRIME.
‘Hate Crime” is the first thing that needs to be abolished recent events have proven that it is subject to too much of a wide variety of interpretation and easily abused
Or hate. It just fact.
@@ApacheMagic The police incorrectly recorded it as hate, when all the hate is from India towards JK.
100%
You know that the slime values have been fully opened when a lawyer says "India has a very good case to bring."
Immediately after the anti Jewish "hate speech" being spouted by islamists and lefties has just been highlighted but got zero comment by the "never comment on islam" stooge.
Legally compelled lying. Beyond dystopian.
I have a screenshot in which India calls another male-to-female trans woman a "man". The person is Debbie Hayton. If you ask me or Debbie we can show you the screen shot. If India believes this to be a crime why hasn't he handed himself in to the police?
Debbie called herself a man before😂😂😂😂
Exactly! JKR posted Himdia’s past tweet referring a trans ‘woman’ as a man, which he is!
Debbie Hayton calls HERSELF a man!!!! Lots of us within the trans community HATES HER!!!!
There is no such thing as misgendering. If some people are deluded enough to believe that they are anything other than what they actually are thats their issue. Just don’t ask sane people to go along their delusion.
Totally agree with you there 👍👏👏👏👏
Agree! 🙌
I find this pronoun bullying bloody pathetic! If you are male you are he/him & females are she/her. Stop trying to make the majority bow to your perceived gender. I am not doing it…..
Not just gender nonsense, the pronoun brigade are just as bad. How are sane, normal people supposed to know some persons pronouns, the daftest one is the they/them ones, these are plurals when there is only one of these persons.
Didn't the inventer of the lobotomy win the peace prize? WEF using LGBT to compel speech. Nobody in London is protecting Jewish people.
Telling the truth is not a hate crime.
Yes it is. Have you been asleep these last few decades?
@@87stevan are you from Mars?
The truth is she's a transwoman.
@@87stevan They want TRUTH to be a hate crime.
@@norabrown5584 They are being sarcastic! Lol…😂
Why is the barrister talking about transgender identity rather than transgender/gender reassignment as per the Equality Act. Does he know his subject at all?
Because he is talking about the hate crime framework not the equality act. In the hate crime framework it is transgender identity in the equality act (civil law) it is gender reassignment.
Disappointed that nobody took on the ridiculous situation where the hate crime framework allows anybody to ‘perceive’ anything to be ‘hostile’ and have the police record a NCHI against someone which is very clearly open to abuse.
Exactly!!
@@curiositykilledkat1No, he was talking about the list of ‘protected characteristics’ under the Equality Act 2010. If you don’t know, I’d sit this one out. Too many people, including this quack barrister, can’t hold a debate in a straight line based on ‘factual knowledge’ and razor sharp listening skills.
This barrister is a joke - he can’t even describe the law properly
He was winging it. He had no idea what he was talking about and ended up spewing out absolute twaddle.
So, the creature threatening to kidnap JRK and two other women isn't hateful?
The creature 😂😂😂
that's a threat, a threat of violence is a crime.
calling a bloke a bloke is just truth
the creature is a victim....poor thing
The truth is important and biological sex matters. Women are adult human female!
Now change the law to protect all people who are not trans. Before any more damage is done. Get rid of the Transgender Equality Act. Urgently.
Don’t ask us to take part in your delusions, some of us still deal in facts and biology
I hope you save the same lack of acceptance for anyone who is religious, as by definition it's even more based in delusions with no basis in biology, physics, chemistry. Truth is not only a scientific statement but one that has been philosophically debated for centuries. At least with the transgender debate we are discovering that hormones have a driver in the issue and think we will find out more with time. Religion will never have any scientific backing as like Trans it is all about deep routed feelings and beliefs. I am happy to accept both as people's truth's are accepted every day, and science cannot yet fully explain human feelings and emotions. You could counter and say 'it's dangerous', and I agree it does have potential negatives, particularly for hard won women's rights, but these can be delt with by cooperation and understanding. If you want to see real danger based in belief not science, just look at what is going on in the middle east right now. For societies to stop accepting religion would be far more beneficial to humanity that a marginal trans denial. I personally believe in live and let live however.
The Equalities Act is in itself unworkable. Islam as a religion condemns homosexuality and 3 men in a Reading park lost their lives from this belief. Yet new laws will make it illegal for gay people to purely criticise Islam. Speech needs to be totally free and only become a criminal act when the words become actions.
all the vaccinated and lgbtqa partakers and encouragers all deserve prison for life!!! not the right to vote
Very well said. "
Sticks and stones."
No, inciting violence should be criminal, too.
So does every other major religeon!
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 It always has been.
"India has a certificate"? I've got a certificate too .. a birth certificate, which states name of my parents etc .. and my sex/gender. So, are all birth certificates now invalid? Can I now tell the policeman who catches me drinking a pint of cider when I'm 12 that I am actually 18? "But your birth certificate proves you are 12!" ... "Yeah, but I've chosen to be 18 today"
India claims not to have a GRC.
Yes I would like to see his birth certificate. Did his mum (female) and dad (male) really give him the name India ( in de her)
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How can it be a HATE crime to say a biological man isn't a woman...
This world is going to S!
That bloke willoughby is a right nightmare.
Yea he looks like Chucky
Himdia Willyboy
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He does not even look like an attractive woman. I will stick to the real thing thank you.
India tried to shame Guwine for rejecting his kiss. As if Ginuwine is not allowed to discriminate who he is intimate with. He should have charged with sexual assault
It is not a kindness to collude in someone's delusion.
Far too much legal process in this country is revolving around the feelings of certain people. It is not my job to affirm the mental delusions of other people. If India Willoughby want to be seen as a woman then perhaps she should start acting like one rather than the aggresive man in a frock that seems to be her public persona.
Then perhaps *he* should start acting like one.
Shouldn't of bragged they were better than a natural born Woman.
Of course it’s about kindness. I have a clear mental image of Willoughby pointing a finger at a group of women in the Big Brother house, shouting at them “I AM A WOMAN! LET THAT PENETRATE!”, being the typically kind person that he is.
Does that bloke really think that Willoughby passes for a woman? His face and body scream “I’m a man”, and his demeanour and attitude are very aggressive and not at all typically female.
She’s right it’s not about being polite, we have responsibility to help others realise when they are being nuts
So the victim decides what is a crime, that’s illogical.
At the moment they've failed to get the police go along with crime. These non-crime hate incidents are clearly the stupidest rubbish.
The pot is calling the kettle black. India did it to somebody else what a hypocrite.
Facts don't care about feelings, I don't believe in gender or the misogynistic and toxic ideology that goes with it, so why do I have to play their game? Their wants and demands come at women's expense where is the kindness there? When were women consulted on any of this? NEVER. How do you misgender if gender is a made up concept and part of an ideology and not real? This is what happens when you bastardise and manipulate language to suit an ideology and a political agenda, we end up with compelled speech and I will NEVER agree to that.
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Very disturbing that a highly trained lawyer cannot see that there is a huge difference in being gay, than men 'feeling' they are women and being in women's private spaces.
A lucrative line of work 🙄
when last i looked the words THEY and THEM was to do with a GROUP OF PEOPLE and not a single person
just like he and she HE a man SHE a woman
you can't call a person that was born male and stayed male for 40+ years and suddenly that's been under a knife a woman
you can change your looks to look like a woman but you cant be a woman you cant change male chromosomes to female chromosomes and you can't give them female parts like Sexual Reproductive organs so there for not a woman and its the same for women that want to look like a man
and i thought it was illegal to change a birth certificate
I use they in past tense to describe a single person all the time 😂
India Willoughby THE MAN. The GRA is NOT fit for purpose. It's not about kindness it's about truth.
Truth is the ultimate kindness, better to be told delusional than to cut off healthy body parts, take hormones that give you cancer, regret it all only to find out you have been lied to... could you imagine the rage?
Amen!
We dont miss gender them, they miss gender themselves but we just won't go along with it. ❤
The truth should never be considered a crime, facts are more important than feelings.
No we just need to ignore it it's bullshit
Ignoring it got us into this mess most has no clue this was happening!
If you called a Catholic a Protestant, or calling me, an atheist, religious, the police would laugh in our faces.
Definitely worth calling India a Christian or basically anything except transcultist.
If you put everyone in prison who hurts someone’s feelings then everyone would be in prison, especially politicians
Have you guys seen the tweets that Willoughby has been sending to JK Rowling?
No--I've googled the subject without results--where can I find them?
I'm surprised that the barrister doesn't understand the law
The woman is the only sensible rational person on here.
She's about halfway there. She's pretty much on the fence.
Racism is based upon a real descrimination. The whole gender thing is based on other people's imagination.
There's a clear difference.
He's not a woman.
If that barrister is so convinced he’d have a case, would he go pro bono for willowy?
So he ignores the anti semitism and the Christians being stopped preaching or singkng in London. He is an alphabet activist, absolutely obvious.
I can't pretend to be another race. If I did, I would probably be accused of a hate crime for doing so.
Being ‘kind’ by addressing people by their preferred pronouns when that pronoun does not align with their biological sex is good if that is as far as it went. The problem is that it goes beyond just addressing them by their preferred pronouns. These people think that because they are addressed by their preferred pronouns it gives them rights to enter safe spaces or partake in sports in the gender they identify as, not as their biological sex. For that reason I will not ‘be kind’ by addressing people by their preferred pronouns until it is made clear that trans women cannot enter women’s safe spaces or trans men cannot enter men’s spaces.
how does calling a male "he" constitute a "hate" anything ??? there is no hatred there. Not even strong dislike or hostility. its a statement of fact .
if facts bother you take some classes or therapy and learn to live with facts .
What about the ruling that gender critical views are a protected belief-the Maya Forstater case?
He clearly hasnt seen that he the moron
Twisted forstater. [Copyright the excellent Leo Kerse].
@@Buster_Piles Leo Kerse has no time for this nonsense he's got Maya to thank for protecting his views in law
This is all ridiculous. Imagine if it became against the law to accidentally call someone the wrong name. We all make slips of the tongue.
This is not about a slip of the tongue. This is about intentional misgendering of trans people.
Totally not the same. JKR did not call man, by accident. JKR believes gender is how you were born, ie a man or a woman. The norm for millennia. 5 minutes ago we are told to go against everything we know to be true.
I dont care what people want to be,just dont expect to play that game
Bin the gender equality act. Bin the GRA.
Whoever invented non crime hate incidents needs their head checking
This is silly. Whatever happened to "Sticks & stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."
But no. Now, we are told that words are violence. 😐😑😶
He says it’s unkind to misgender but women can’t afford to be kind. If we call one by their chosen pronouns we cannot then object when then enter our spaces such as changing rooms and toilets or sports. Women are always expected to be kind.
I can't believe that I am hearing people condoning hurting someone"s feelings as being a crime and worthy of a call to the police. This is terrifying.
Wait wait… You’re telling me that according to British law, a subjective experience can be an actionable criminal offense?? Have you guys gone completely insane?! That’s only one step removed making criminal wrongthink laws.
I am so happy i’m not a UK citizen right now.
Kind of and yes it is very worrying. For something to be a hate crime it must be a crime & aggravated by the victim or someone else’s ‘perception’ that it was motivated by hostility towards one of the protected characteristics (which are different to the EA ones).
Further a ‘non-crime hate incident’ can be recorded if a person perceives someone has said or done something motivated by hostility towards a PC but the thing they said or did is not a criminal offence. This is extremely worrying because a NCHI can be disclosed to future employers where a criminal records check is required. There is no right for this to be forgotten unlike if you were convicted of a crime a while ago meaning NCHI are actually worse than actual crimes in their potential impacts.
The police are not supposed to record NCHI if they aren’t likely to be useful data re potential later criminal offences but the whole thing is ridiculously vague, open to abuse and unnecessary since judges have always been able to consider aggravating factors in sentencing convicted criminals.
It allows someone who has one of the hate crime PC to use the police force vexatiously in order to achieve political or other aims & is an extraordinary waste of time.
Beware any reporting about U.K. ‘hate crime/incidents’ since they are entirely based on whether someone perceives hostility - something that is completely subjective & vulnerable to activism.
Go Renee! Call out the nonsense 😂
The Drs right the the equality act recognition needs to be changed.
Remove the whole thing. Feminists helped create this mess
Willoughby is an attention seeking bore.
That he is
That He is ! 😅😅😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂
And he aint that clever
The Dr gets my vote, her interjections were exactly what I was thinking. She is spot on. As for referring to someone as they them, the only way I will do that is after I have consumed a number of pints. Then we can talk they them, not before. I agree with the lawyer that language changes over time, but it changes by evolution not revolution. Not by activists telling us how we will now use the English language.
I so hope JKR sues willoughby into oblivion. He’s been harassing and stalking her for years.
So do I, Willoughby has been making a bloody good living out of his notoriety and his harassment of jkr and others.
Unfortunately, in Scotland from tomorrow, it will be classed as a hate crime.
The world has gone mad!
Great barrister when he thinks there are only 5 protected characterises under the Equality Act 2010. There are 9. Not 5! Hardly someone I’ll be paying much attention to.
I think these pretend woman should be called IT: at least it is grammatically, and biologically, correct.
Lovely bit of dehumanisation just there
"Make children kinder" = Punish normal kids for pointing out reality.
When telling the truth becomes a crime we are in a lot of trouble.
.EXACTLY
This celebrity lawyer is talking absolute twaddle. Sex based rights will always take precedence over gender based rights.
Its not a hate crime. This is a man who’s had surgery and a passport changed. This will never make him a woman. Misgendering should not be a thing.
Being compelled to lie doesn't feel right
FEELINGS ARE NOT FACTS
Willoughby is hell bent on dragging women.
She is so right. It’s a nonsense. The idea that it’s now becoming illegal to be unkind.
HE is not a SHE!
If being unkind was a criminal offence we’d all be in jail! 😂
With all the real problems that we have to deal with, why is this even being debated. 🙄
It’s frightening how clueless this barrister is 😮
A very liberal, middle class man, who clearly can’t separate his politics from his profession. Exactly what has gone wrong with the judicial system.
I take hormone treatment every day because of cancer.
It’s insane to me we just fuck with kids hormones and even with adults it’s a huge thing imo.
My own doctor told me we don’t fully understand how hormones affect the body.
When my levels dropped I had a complete breakdown and nearly attempted suicide. I wasn’t myself at all. It totally fucked my head.
That barrister Paul is just plain wrong (MD of "LGBT Lawyers"...). The wording is clear "Any CRIME can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity" - there needs to be a CRIME first - something that is criminally illigal in its own right. Can hostility be a crime in its own right? - Yes but people are hostile online all day, every day. So the bar for criminal hostility cannot just be "I was upset by it". Otherwise there would be literally millions of prosecutions a week.
We simply don't need these laws. We're not undergoing some new worsening of crimes motivated by hatred of these protected classes. If anything, society is more tolerant than it has ever been. If we didn't need these laws 50 years ago, we sure don't need them now. And the fact that people are trying to abuse them to shut others up is a strong sign we need to get rid of them.
As for "non crime hate incidents" - the police should not be making records of citizens who have specifically NOT committed crimes, by the police's own standards. List-keeping is the sort of thing totalitarian states do to put fear into the populace.
Who knew having integrity would become a dirty word?🤷♀️🤷♀️
We do not own pronouns nor should we be compelled to deny biological reality no matter what is recorded on a piece of paper.
My feelings are hurt by those who wish not only to limit my speech but also to force me to utter falsehoods.
Keep the law out of such matters.
transgender isn't a protected characteristic. Gender reassignment is. Sex on the other hand is a protected characteristic.
A little bit mesogenic, two men discussing womens"s rights ? women's rights need to be debated and legislated purely by women, real women
The problem being quite a few " real" women are leftie feminists and agree with this transgender nonsense allowing these misogynists to bully and intimidate all women , Ordinary real males were NEVER the enemy
Don't you mean misogynistic love?
'Real women'whatever that means just voted to include trans women in the ladies pond on Hampstead heath so I expect you only want women to decide these issues when they agree with you. Nicola sturgeon is a 'real woman' to use your expression and I doubt your a fan of hers. The truth is many 'real women' march on trans rights marches and are allies to the community and there is a real diversity and range of opinion among women. There are the trans exclusionary radical feminists, but there is also intersectional feminism.. women are extremely divided on this issue in the UK.. less so in the States
Be careful what you wish for. Most men are trying to help protect womens spaces and then youre telling them to stop.
Personally i hope they do. I hope men just leave yall women to deal with it alone.
You're right, Marianne. However, if we're going there, you needed a comma before the word, "love".
Being unkind, is not a crime
The lunacy on this panel is shocking. The woman on the panel said every assault against a woman, including punching a woman, is driven by misogyny!
Well said doc, agree 100%.
How can you call India a "broadcaster"? I'm pretty sure he hasn't worked as a journalist or a news presenter for ages.
He identifies as a broadcaster.
I see the Barrister has been reading Stonewall notes on the law again. The protected characteristic is 'Gender reassignment' and the law only binds services and businesses, not interpersonal relationships. And scotland showed us you need a GRC to be fully protected by services as it is. So, we can call any man a man rr barrister.
No, he is right he is talking about the hate crime guidance which has a different list of PC. The hate crime PC is in fact ‘transgender identity’.
HE, HE, HE!!
Glad you find it so funny!
Not funny, just making the point that Willoughby is he. He is a man!
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Well the courts would be full of “hurty feelings” cases if HE reported the thousands of people who won’t be compelled to take part in HIS delusion. HE has only gone after JKR for publicity. I’m sure HE has been particularly vicious towards JKR and I hope she sues the arse off HIM.
There is no such thing as mis-gendering because there's no such thing as "self-identification". ID is done by external parties/other people to clearly point out who is who based on their distinguishing characteristics - a John/Jane Doe lying on a slab in a mortuary is not identified by their feelings, but by their DNA or dental records etc. And they're identified as male or female by either a vagina or a penis. Both of which (along with the secondary sexual characteristics that go along with them such as beards or boobs) have been known identifying factors of men and women since we first existed, and trying to change that fundamental fact of identifying people in society is slowly leading to a collapse in law and order, as shown by the ridiculous "non-crime hate incident" rubbish and this "barrister" believing crimes should be decided by someone's hurty feelings.
If you report an actual crime where peoples' wellbeing, safety, and property are involved the police no longer want to know. If you say something and it's perceived as insulting (it may not be) then they come down on you like a ton of bricks. I no longer have respect for any officer who doesn't have the balls to call out this sort of nonsense as bringing the law (and its enforcers) into disrepute. If I were a police officer I would resign if I had to enforce such ludicrous laws. I urge any who are to so do.
If telling the truth is a crime, your law is wrong. Just saying. 🤷🏻♀️
What hate?
We are in the land of 1984 today
He's obviously very happy in his new female role . Not !
No, it’s not unkind. If you purposely miss direct someone, it’s wrong. Good grief, if I make a mistake, I’m a criminal is BS.
It’s embarrassing as a man to see the woman on the show being the only person talking sense - & this barrister is a classic example of how our judicial system is hopelessly weak & out of touch with the people.
The Barrister needs to read Forstater..... he is wrong
R v Scottow is better in this case IMO since they were considering malicious comms apparently. Police need to be mindful of Miller v College of Policing too re potential recording of NCHI.
Literally the worst debate for both sides. Gender identity is completely unrelated to sexuality, the reason it requires a gender recognition certificate is because you’re literally changing your identity. Gender critical beliefs are protected by law, so if you don’t believe a trans woman is a woman surely you can’t be forced to use their pronouns? I personally would use someone’s pronouns, however, I don’t believe people should be forced to use language they disagree with.
It doesn't even meet the threshold for hate. Rowling's beliefs are also a protected characteristic, so her belief that a man cannot be a woman is protected.
truth and fact is Now Hate?
It's JK Rowling - to rhyme with 'bowling'.
Does the barrister know the Equality Act? Gender reassignment is a recognised characteristic, not transgender identity. He also forgot that SEX is a protected characteristic.
I won't do compelled speech.
I won't be surprised if people start taking others to court for not identifying them as a dog
Can we all just get back to reality?
Men cannot change into women and women cannot change into men so why are so many people going along with the whole ridiculous charade?