RetroTINK 5X Review: Retro Game Streaming has reached its END GAME
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This is the RetroTINK 5X or RetroTINK 5X-Pro - a video scaler designed for retro games. With inputs for composite, s-video, component, and RGB SCART - this can do it all, including 1440p 6x output! But is it truly all we need?
RetroTINK Official Store (LOTS more stock coming soon, do not buy from scalpers!) - www.retrotink.com/
CORRECTION NOTE: The Framemeister does use Motion Adaptive deinterlacing, too, but out of the box the look is not great. It improves with profiles from FireBrandX, but I still prefer the RetroTINK's approach.
S-video is NOT accepted via the SCART adapter, only composite.
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TIMECODES:
00:00 Intro
02:36 What is it?
04:40 Basic Use
05:17 Menus & Settings
12:09 Console Testing
15:33 Be Like Mike
16:37 Quality Comparisons
20:47 Fixes I'd Like to See
24:00 Niche Features
24:58 Capture Card Compatibility
27:26 Conclusion & Scaler vs HDMI mods?
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the 1440p scaling that MLiG showcased on a native 1440p monitor was mind blowing!
The amount of companies you shout out in the first two minutes is a huge coverage of the scene and it's great.
There’s so much! It makes me really happy. When I got into streaming, trying to find things to make streaming retro games easier was met with “good luck”
Thanks for the video, lots of cool in-depth info here! I might get this for my PS2 now.
I've been waiting for this... even though I already bought it 😂
Good stuff! I love my 5x. It seems like in some of your comparisons, you could have had a bit more sharpness if you would have turned the low pass filter off. Although now that I think about, you did say your component chain is pretty noisy. Give it a shot though just in case. I run all my comp signals through an extron crosspoint and I never need the lpf on. Keeping it off adds a pretty damn noticeable amount of sharpness to the picture, and I never seem to notice any more noise than you would typically get from analog video.
Dude. This review is awesome. Thank you.
One heck of a video, dude. Well done!
Thank you!
Great video! I will look into this in the future to play my classic classics. My only concern with one of the resolution switching, is that in Silent Hill 4, it seems the FMVs run at some resolution that doesn’t play nicely with it at all? I saw it on someone’s stream. I’m assuming though an update can be made to fix it, which is awesome.
Great video, I've been using the 5x on my PS3 at 480p to 1440p with scanlines. Don't know why but I think it looks interesting especially PS1 and ps2 classics. Just a noob fiddling around having fun.
This looks great. Did you say that there is some type of console that can play DS titles through the the RetroTink 5X? and what about 3ds? great video as always stream professor.
The scanlines you used around 8:55 actually look great as far as viewing scanlines on YT goes! I kinda look how that effect looks with your video feed!
Also, I'm sure you already know by now, but a remote overlay is now available by Retro Labs!
Thanks for a cool video, man! Watching some to get hyped about my purchase today!
Just got mine in!
@@EposVox me too! Like the beginning of this week. Just got an order for a 5X in earlier! I'm so excited! I got a lot to learn about streaming, I've only attempted it twice, so I will be checking out a lot of your videos!
Do you have any interest in the Neo Geo CD? I teamed up with Phenommod (the official USA X360ACE seller) to make a batch of the Neo SD Loader, but I don't think we are well known enough and I think if we can spread the word, we will meet our MOQ goal!
And LOL that "bob de-interlacing" joke you did.
The comb filter will clean up video if enabled, not disabled. It's for composite really. You don't need it with RGB/YPbPr.
For the Super NT, has it been resolved with firmware updates? Did you try the various vsync buffering modes?
Also, please be careful with the RGB SCART hate. It's a perfectly good solution. YPbPr works best for some's setups, SCART for others. There had been too many people freaking out over the possibility that they made a bad purchase by purchasing some Retro Access e.g. SCART cables. I know newbies should probably just go component, but just be a little more easy on SCART, please. Even if you just add a lil tip that there's nothing wrong with it
I need this upscaler. I have to currently use a combination of my retrotink 1st gen, with my ossc to be able to record Atari 2600. A lot of the games aren't programmed great, and a lot of upscalers don't like it at all, with some (retrotink by itself) not liking some games. The OSSC can handle more, but gets color bleed with the retrotink in passthrough mode. I feel like this is the device to make it the most compatible.
Hey quick question if you don't mind. Currently have a 2X-M and will be grabbing a 5X during the next drop but I was just wondering which capture cards would you recommend now if I mainly plan on using them all in conjunction with a PS2 on a 4k tv? Thanks!
Question, sorry if this is answered already down in the comments but have you tried the passthrough mode with the elgato 4k pro? I'm curious of any issues when using the passthrough mode from the retrotink to the card and say hooking up to a main TV like a lg c9.
I have been following all your retro specifications for creating a throwback weekly stream but fought with quality control. These videos are a huge help and although I see the 5x is sold out. I'll certainly find a way via ebay or whatever it takes to get one. But I'd never have found these without your video coverage. So I would like to say THANKYOU!
I will say avoid ebay if you can, they're very scalped and new stock will be coming soon and they should have enough for everyone.
@@EposVox Beauty
I have the retrotink 2x pro and im just wondering if the 5x handles composite and s-video the same or better.
Hi, do you have the japanese bandai console, the playdia, is it playable by the retrotink 5 ?
Hi I've been looking into buying an LG CX and was wondering if retrogames are an issue in terms of burn in? cause of the 4:3 aspect ratio and the issue of static hud elements are more pronounced especially on games where a good portion of the screen is just a hud like in Rocket Knight Adventures for example.
And a question about the 1440p output from the retrotink the LG CX takes the 1440p 60 signal correct? rtings says 1440p60 is a forced resolution so the fact that you're having no problems has me wondering if maybe they only tested with a pc and TV can take it in properly?
edit: forgot to add that This was really great look into the product and your channel is really great resource for streaming games in general thanks for all that you do!
Re:1440p - I had zero issues making that show up here. Both 1200p and 1440p worked out of box - but 1440p works via Xbox too, so I’m not sure why they had issue.
Speaking of Rtings, they have covered the burn-in stuff far better than I could, but generally it’s not a huge issue if you’re not leaving the exact same UI elements up 24/7. It has pixel shifting stuff to counter-act burn-in and letting the TV rest when you’re not using it helps. And if you’re playing a variety of games (versus a singular game’s hud up nonstop) it shouldn’t really be an issue.
4:3 doesn’t cause anything for burn-in as OLEDs literally don’t turn on pixels that are black so there’s nothing to burn in.
Also thank you :)
Of course I chose the one capture card (Live Gamer Duo) that would explicitly have issues with the RetroTink 5x... But thank you for highlighting the issue to confirm I am not going insane. I was having one more issue with my Live Gamer Duo though, input 1 doesn't like 1080p inputs either, and I had to scale my Switch to 720p to make it work. Is that normal or is there something I can do to fix that?
Regardless I appreciate this thorough overview of the device for streaming purposes and the editing is immaculate. Keep up the great work!
That's definitely not normal
Cool 🔥
Hey mate, could you help me out please? I connected the Retrotink 5x pro correctly with the AV adaptor to a PAL PS2 + 4K HDMI TV. I switch to 1080p resolution on the device with RR Type 4 running on the PS2 and looking like complete trash. Like no improvement AT ALL. What could be the issue? Could component cables be the solution? Idk cause I believe something's wrong. Do you have an idea? :(
Thanks for the review. The Portta HDMI to Component cenverter don't work with the Retrotink5x. At least not with my setup: PS4/PS5 -> Portta -> retrotink5x. In both cases the consoles are set to 720p. Did I miss something?
What's your output chain? I assume you're wanting to go 720p to 240p to output on a CRT?
Probably a dumb question but do things like DLSS/FSR help scalers in future?
Can you please do a video about the mcable?
Hi. Thanks for the information. Just a question, will this device take both JP21 scart signal and the Euro scart signal? I have a scart cable but it is Japanese. I know the pin layout on the Euro scart is different. Thanks in advance.
SCART only.
Can you explain how to hook up a hdmi console to the Retrotink 5x
Would this device, combined with say a Elgato Camlink allow me to copy vids from my Sony TVR Camcorder Tapes and digitize them?
Yep! It’s actually really nice for old tapes, I hope to demo it soon
Love my RetroTINK 5X.
Hate that it erase saved profiles each time I do an update.
Would you recommend a retrotink5x if you already have a GBS-C which also supports motion adaptive deinterlacing ?
Nah that’d be redundant. GBS-C AIO is fine
I have a 4K monitor that’s only capable of 30 FPS. Will this negatively affect gameplay with my retro consoles?
Awesome
4:04 "Good thing SCART isn't worth addressing in the first place". Wait, what do you mean? >_< (confused)
Good video. I'm bummed that 256 mode for SNES stretches the 4:3 a bit, as I was hoping this would let me capture SNES games as accurately and as high-quality as possible with my Magewell. I'm torn, 'cause I love Retrotink 5X's ease of use and it's Motion Adaptive mode for PS2 games is a godsend, but if I can't get everything I want out of this device, not sure if it's worth it for me. Still itching to replace my OSSC with something "better".
Or maybe I should just cave in and capture all my SNES stuff with my Analogue Super Nt. But then what's the point of my RGB modded SNES Jr. I'm having a Retro RGB gamer crisis, as you can see.
YAY
To EposVox,
I got a quick question to ask (if you have time), do you know what is the best Power Voltage Output for the RetroTINK 5X Pro in UK?
(Example: 5V, 1Amp)
Plus, I’m planning on using an USB power adapter plug for it.
Also, I did check on the device user manual but they didn’t mention about the Voltage number. Just making sure.
5V 2.1A
@@EposVox Thank you
Honestly, it wasn't until I started watching your videos Adam that I wanted to start plugging in my old consoles to play again. Anyone know if I can use this with my vcr to get a cleaner signal?
Yep! And it’ll handle any tracking/drop-outs a lot better. I’ll have a whole video in that workflow separately. But it’s a great choice for it
Ooh dope! Thanks! Part of my current entertainment setup is being able to throw old vhs movies into my vcr but ever since I upgraded to my 4k TV it just looks horrid. Looking forward to that vid 😁
Can we have different canvas settings for different scenes that can be switched back and forth?
You can via different Profiles and Scene Collections yes
@@EposVox How do I switch between profiles with hot keys?
I don’t think you can. You can’t change it in the middle of a stream, video encoding can’t take multiple resolutions in the same stream
You mean 6x scale with 1920x1440, Mike Chi is a BAMF.
I think DCDigital is still worth getting; I have one of those fancy Retro Access Dreamcast SCART cables with the switch for 15/31 kHz, and I don't like keeping track of what game needs what, so if the DC HDMI kit figures all that out for me (does it?), that would be worth it.
Then again, Voultar was hyping HD Retrovision's Dreamcast cable not too long ago on Twitter, so maybe that will do something magical.
Yeah if you’re not in a rush I’d wait for the cables and then decide. DCHDMI/DCDIGITAL is glorious tho
scart + extron > hd retrovision +component switch.. at least if you need all the I/O!
Does S-Video over SCART actually work on the RetroTINK 5X? Because if it does, I'll buy it
Apparently not, that was a mistake
Better then Bob one. xD
They hate on SCART but the PS2s I own send Crystal clear picture via SCART and more noisy and blurrier picture via component. I might have gotten bad retro vision cables but they work great on my PS3s.
Thank you for telling us we have aweful european cables
Note: there's a person making a vertikal stand (3d-printed ) so the scart conn. is on top and goes out of the way +remote storage on stand
Someone also made a side add on that moves the scart to the top!
Hi, Adam, I am Sunny, looking forward to your reply.
20:00 what game is that? :)
Gauntlet Legends N64
Hehe, 'Bob' deinterlacing.
damn surprised to hear u don't prefer optimal timings
I have so little time for gaming, I want what gets me 90% of the way there for as little time as possible, especially since I will never notice or care once I’m actually gaming
@@EposVox for me it's all about capturing, i only use scalers for capturing stuff and i like optimal timing to get the recordings as sharp as possible
Anybody having issues when capturing the 5x via an elgato hd60s.. I am having some very very slight stutter
did you get it fixed?
Can't wait for the hdmi 2.1/dp 2.0/ usb type c /optical out/bluetooth aptx version /dreams
Get rid of remote, add bluetooth & and app so you can use a mobile, which would save costs spent on the remote.
LUL
Lol check out the noob dooming on scart cables.
such a n00b
Strange that you say that your N64 looks bad on this unit, could be your console. Personally i have an RGB modded N64, and it looks crisp on my OLED combined with the OSSC
I mean I’ve never seen N64 look good even with the UltraHDMI on LCD in captures etc. that’s just my opinion, but it doesn’t look right scaled up
@@EposVox n64 will always looks like n64 no matter the mod, it has an destinct look.
Some say n64 always looks bad but right cabels or mods makes it look less bad but still bad.
But it's a preference thing, still a lot of awesome games on the n64.
Which as I said, I very much like how it looks on a CRT, but the mods and scalers never re-create that look in my experience.
-Insert Angry SCART comment here-
Joke is on Adam when the scart to VGA adapter cones out 🤣
HDMI mods cost way more than $100.
I said at least :P
PS1Digital and the new PixelFX N64 are both $160.
Retro gaming is going to burn a hole in my wallet, istg.
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@@EposVox lo
What the heck is a BVM?? LOL
Broadcast Video Monitor, a CRT sought after for high quality. Easily Google-able
well... I have a pretty good collection of real consoles and games.. but to honest : I prefer to use emulators.
Do you really like PS2 ? Well, check on emulator.. this bloody f*** flickering of the image is really getting on my nerves.
No more problem with emulators.
Now regarding the price : don't cry and go to Mama... it cost us, in Europe, around 400 EUR, tanks to taxes and VAT.. so don't cry at USD 300 !! it's really a nice piece of hardware, and the development is still going on.
By the way : do you really use your framemeister ? I don't .. No more updates and the black screen when the consoles change resolution (Hello saturn games....).. it's better on an OSSC....
Now... now we will wait for the OSSC Pro.
Scart connector does not support Svideo!! Only composite!!
False
@@EposVox I have one Retrotink 5x, I tried the Svideo through scart and does not work. Look at the retrotink website and it says "RGB and Composite through Scart". Go and test it again and let me know. Otherwise the Scart converter that Retrotink sent me with the Retrotink 5x is broken.
Nope, you are correct, I’ve clarified with Mike. Apologies for the confusion, adding a note to the description!
i thought rgb scart was considered the best analogue image
RGB analogue out itself is. I think it's the French Peritel connector itself that people would have issue with (since SCART was actually a TV manufacturer's association in France).
@@NightSprinter i live in the uk so scart was the standard what problems did people have with it
Rgb is great no matter the plug :-)
Component master race
@@EposVox no no no, RF master race
Epos, I appreciate your attempts at navigating the algorithm and experimenting, but for me, at least, 30 mins is just too long for a video on TH-cam. I say this not as criticism but as a consideration for you, because I respect your work and the feedback might be helpful somehow. Perhaps if you did these longform videos while also providing the quick, >10min breakdown videos as well (using, even, the same videos, just edited?)
This isn’t an “attempt at navigating the algorithm” - this is my proper review format that I’ve done for years and years. Very little could be cut, an entire 45 minute video was needed for even more context for those unfamiliar with the subject, and I make it as easy as possible to get in and out with on-screen and in-description timecodes if you just want a specific section.
it is a great device and all but the price is absurdly high... I know mike worked hard on it and it shows but it is another framemeister at this point
Sure! Only better than a Framemeister. So as good and appealing as the Framemeister was for a good ~6 years, the RetroTINK 5X will now be the go-to for top results for the next 6+
Price is as cheap as he could make it. This isn’t his full-time job, he’s not selling them for massive profits.
@@EposVox don't get me wrong, I know it is the best around, another framemeister in the sense of a device unavailable for the most due to the high price
The 2X line is very affordable and gets you most of the way there :) if you want the best, you pay for the best. If you can’t afford the best, you pay for something close.