How to Upgrade / Expand Your QNAP RAID to Larger Drives

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  • In this video, I show you how to upgrade an existing set of RAID 1 (mirrored) drives to larger drives, using a QNAP TS-451 NAS unit. This procedure can be used for any QNAP and RAID array. I will upgrade from two 3TB drives to two 5TB drives.
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  • @accessrandom
    @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Much obliged 🎩 to all my viewers. Like. Share. Subscribe. Enjoy.
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  • @username-mc7jw
    @username-mc7jw 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can't get much clearer than that. Thank you. Upping my drives from 3GB to 10GB today.

  • @DreamerOnTheRise
    @DreamerOnTheRise 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Many thanks for this. As you say hiding the Expand Capacity button under Replace Disks One by One isn't very intuitive and I was scratching my head after the very straightforward swap-in and rebuild. Very clear explanation. Thanks again.

  • @marcoborza4023
    @marcoborza4023 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks a million. I was getting crazy trying to find where this expand feature was after replacing disks one by one. I almost gave up. TOP

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad my video was able to help. Thanks!

  • @MikeBoldis
    @MikeBoldis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    One of the best step by step instruction for how to upgrade your NAS drive. Well done!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Much obliged 🎩 - I appreciate it 👍

    • @wahmur
      @wahmur ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly

  • @insovietrussia
    @insovietrussia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for creating this video. I had read multiple times that you couldn’t do this, so the last time I did a 4 drive upgrade from 4x3TB to 4x4TB, I backed it all up to an external 8TB USB then restored back from USB. I’m now about to jump up to 4x6TB and was dreading the daaaaays it was going to take to do it that way. This is so much easier.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you found it useful. Depending on your RAID level, it can still take a while to rebuild a disk but this process is certainly easier.

  • @Wikkus
    @Wikkus 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just what I needed; nice and clear, well explained, thank you!

  • @soaringvulture
    @soaringvulture 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Like everyone else says, your presentation is clear and concise. I'm ready to put my new discs in now and am confident it will be easy. Thank you for your explanations.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many thanks 🙏👍. Let me know if you run into any problems.

  • @finndamage
    @finndamage 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you! I've been going through Qnap guides how to upgrade the drives of my TS-231P. Qnap guides fail, you triumphed. Great work!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You're welcome, and thank you.Glad it was helpful.

    • @jvonengeln
      @jvonengeln 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exact same scenario. The QNAP documentation is unclear and old. This was perfect. You should work for QNAP!

  • @johnricharddowling3276
    @johnricharddowling3276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've spent all day trying to find the answer to this in the Qnap manual with no success. Thank you so much for doing this. It makes more sense than the official guides. Thank you thank you thank you :-)

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're welcome, and thank you 👍

  • @parahumanoid
    @parahumanoid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A handy video to save time on googling and reading (you never know what caveats there may have been). But now I know it's straightforward and ready to perform the upgrade. Thanks.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, and thank you for the feedback 🙏. Glad you found the video useful.

  • @estebanisswimming
    @estebanisswimming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If only all vids on TH-cam were this good! Thanks mate. That was very helpful

  • @joshportelli
    @joshportelli 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, YOU Are a lifesaver! I spent so much time researching this, and your video instructions and Editing was So Concise and to the point! Great work!

  • @brianvnc
    @brianvnc ปีที่แล้ว

    I had to replace a bad HDD so replaced a set of larger HDDs. It wasn't intuitive on how you expand the volume to take advantage of the extended HDD space. I did a few Google searches and this video was the one that helped me. Thank you so much!

  • @blairtruck
    @blairtruck ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Still a great How to 5 years after posting. Made things super easy

  • @DerekHolmes
    @DerekHolmes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Better than any other guide I've seen! Thank you!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, and thank you 🙏.

  • @scaryfriend1
    @scaryfriend1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't believe i just found this. Thanks so much for posting - my 5 drive 3TB is at about 99% used so it won't be cheap but cheaper than buying a whole new QNAP.
    Plus might try it on my 2 drive system too.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you - happy to hear you found it useful 👍

  • @hamsterjam911
    @hamsterjam911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent! Short, sweet and to the point.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, I appreciate it 👍

  • @stephentrouse2069
    @stephentrouse2069 ปีที่แล้ว

    I looked at heaps of these to find out how to do i and yours was clearly the best. Your calm, logical and step-by-step approach was much appreciated. Sadly, I have a (similar) TS220 and the QFinder app didn't have all the functions you showed.

  • @HastyAce
    @HastyAce 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As @trevorwilliamsmith pointed out, it was your calm voice that soothed the proces. This HS-215 NAS I have for fun as it only stores a couple of videos dear to me. But when one of the WD 4TB disk started failing *and* you showed how easy it is to expand the capacity it became a bit more serious. But with a happy end! Thanks!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, and many thanks 👍 Glad you found it useful.

  • @guillaumefrancais7295
    @guillaumefrancais7295 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank for you for this video. Very detailed and well explained.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, and thank you.

  • @trevorwilliamsmith
    @trevorwilliamsmith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks, the calm explanation was very reassuring :-) . All went well, except for me the final stage (expansion) took about 10-15 minutes not nearly instantaneously as in the video

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure why it was so quick the first time I did this - I upgraded to larger drives later on and it did take a little longer.

  • @kieran.stafford
    @kieran.stafford 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super clear and precise videos. Well done

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the kind words.

  • @DavidM2002
    @DavidM2002 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good instructions. The app has changed a little bit ( now February 2020 ) but not enough to negate what you are showing us.
    As a point of reference, for anyone contemplating doing this : I have a TS-453A, 4 Gb RAM, a pair of WD red 6 TB drives, RAID 1. The drives are about 65% full. I installed a pair of 10 Tb Seagate Ironwolf HDD's. The first drive swap/rebuild took 15 hours and the second drive about 12 hours. Expanding / Resynchronizing took 8 hours.
    While I didn't try to access files while the first drive was going through its process, I did on the second and Expanding without any issues. So, presumably you can continue to use your NAS while you do this.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for posting this to let others know of another data point. I really need to update the video with the latest version...

  • @rezaxxx
    @rezaxxx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent videos. Thanks!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, and thank you!

  • @KirkLau
    @KirkLau 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is EXACTLY what i am looking for! for a LONG TIME... (well.. not 100% exact, i was looking for Raid5 but.. hey... close enough)

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you found it useful - thanks!

  • @liamsenn77
    @liamsenn77 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video, direct to the point. thank you

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, and thank you 👍🙏

  • @ronj9448
    @ronj9448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Vid. The UI is absurd. Too bad they didn't have a command line option. Your video showed me the way. Thank you.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're welcome, and thank you 🙏. They could definitely use a UX person or team to work on their interface...

  • @alanhartmann3355
    @alanhartmann3355 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video. Reminder -- make sure your firmware is up--to-date before starting this process!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great tip - thank you. 👍🙏

  • @marcoferrito9672
    @marcoferrito9672 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THANK U. SO USEFUL, EVEN THAN THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, and thank you 🙏.

  • @CantankerousDave
    @CantankerousDave 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very clear and useful. That last step was a bit confusing in the interface, since the big "Expand Volume" button on the management page isn't what you want, even if it sounds like it is (it adds another RAID array to the volume, rather than expanding the one you already have). Having to click "Replace disks one by one" *after* you've already replaced all the disks in order to access the actual "Expand capacity" button seems a bit obtuse.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. Yeah, I agree that can be confusing. QNAP should really clean up their UI a bit and take the Expand Capacity button out of the Replace dialog (or at least use a different name for the two "Expand" operations).

  • @KI_Burgberg_DE
    @KI_Burgberg_DE 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    perfect video. Thanks a lot

  • @JWBlackman69
    @JWBlackman69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good writeup

  • @MarkDuivesteijn
    @MarkDuivesteijn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was super helpful. It would help a lot if QNAP would make some kind of "disk upgrade" option in the menu with a wizard for selecting the disks etc, but hey, this works as well ^_^

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, and thank you 🙏. Yeah, they could improve the UI a bit...

  • @auswhofan
    @auswhofan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid thanks, helped give me confidence to upgrade my 2 x 3TB RAID1 volume to 2 x 4TB RAID1 (I had some bad sectors in drive one so pre-emptively replacing before it totally died). A couple of small pieces of feedback that I feel would lift your vid from 90% to 95%... 1. At the start you mention drives will be erased, might be good to be very specific here that "new disks" will be erased and existing disks will have data retained. Would also be good to remind people of the importance of a backup of their data on NAS (this may not always be possible but good practice) because if the upgrade process goes awry your data could be in trouble. 2. My expand capacity process is taking hours, not seconds like your example, this caused me to be a little anxious as I was thinking I'm doing something wrong. Thanks again, great vid, I'll recommend this to anyone doing the same upgrade procedure.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for the very good feedback. In later videos, I give disclaimers about always backing up data (whether it's upgrading or cloning or other operations). I'm not sure why it took just seconds during the video - I've actually upgraded the drives a second time after I published this video and it did take quite some time (hours). Thanks again.

  • @GOVAUS1
    @GOVAUS1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent. Thanks.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      No problems. Glad you found it helpful.

  • @GH-bz2nw
    @GH-bz2nw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you

  • @ChrisandKnight
    @ChrisandKnight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I could not find the 'Expand Capacity" button after doing everything else, found your video thank you! lol

  • @LawrenceKaneshiro
    @LawrenceKaneshiro ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good information and well presented. I like the ticking clock and ding. A tip however, when the “ding” sounds display the actual time the rebuild process took. I realize all situations are different, but in this case it would be nice to get an idea of how much time it took to rebuild this 5TB drive. JustSaying.

  • @AlvisChuiVisuals
    @AlvisChuiVisuals ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video! I currently actually having a nas consisting 4 disks, and actually planning to replace all of them to only 3 disks with larger storage for each disk, is it possible for this situation? Or if there are any other methods to make this work? Thanks!

  • @coolarrow30
    @coolarrow30 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems easy enough I was thinking about upgrading my four bay nas hdds. But I was concerned if it was gonna be a process. Doesn't seem that bad

  • @jimmythompson2188
    @jimmythompson2188 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you sir. One of the best TH-cams I' ever seen. I do have a question. I have a TS-212 {2 bay with a 3TB RAID1 array), which the documentation says is NOT hot-swappable. What does one do in this case? Would it be safe to unplug the drive itself since this server does not have a caddy for each disk as yours does?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the kind words. I'm afraid I don't have much experience with the non-hot-swap QNAPs, but while researching it, I found this note on one of QNAP's websites: "Online RAID capacity expansion, online RAID level migration, and RAID recovery are not supported by one-bay NAS models, TS-210, and TS-212." It implies you might be able to expand offline, but I'm not sure what that means; I'll need to defer to other viewers who may have more experience - anyone?

  • @Kingofkod
    @Kingofkod 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this. I don't know why QNAP doesn't have these steps listed anywhere that's easy to locate.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome. I'm sure they have it somewhere on their website but it may be hard to find...

  • @alfred576
    @alfred576 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video. But do I have to leave the "Replace disks one by one" windows open, once it starts rebuilding? What happens if I click cancel?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. I'm not sure what happens if you cancel as I've never tried that - I suspect it will cancel the rebuild and prompt you to continue or replace the disk again.

  • @poodletalk5608
    @poodletalk5608 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question, doing it this way ...I wont lose any data from the old hard drives correct?

  • @bugggism
    @bugggism 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks! great vid, nicely edited too =]
    I'll be replacing 6x8TB drives with 6x14TB next week (90% full). I wonder how long it will take to rebuild the RAID xD

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many thanks 🙏 I believe it will depend on your RAID level. In my case, I was simply mirroring two disks so the rebuild for the second disk was very quick. Based on another commenter, RAID 5 or 6 may take much longer (for each disk).

    • @bugggism
      @bugggism 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom yeah it's RAID5.. =] Upd: Ok it started, currently shows 21hrs to finish, per disk.

  • @archvuk
    @archvuk 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi great video and very informative. My question is I got Qnap with 4 bays as well and 4 drives in raid 1 of 3TB each I want to change them for 10TB drives, from what I understood in your video you are not suffering from data loss on the NAS since the raid is being rebuilt? So I just change the drives one by one and my existing files on the old raid should migrate to the new hdd's and new raid? Also is it possible to migrate from RAID 1 to RAID 5 without loosing files? Thnx!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks. There is no data loss when you swap out the drives one-by-one like I do in the video. QNAP will rebuild from the other drive in the RAID.
      I haven't tried migrating from RAID 1 to RAID 5 but it looks like it is possible if you go from 2 disks (RAID 1) to 3 or 4 disks (RAID 5, where you need at least 3 disks). Search for "online-raid-level-migration" and it will return a link to QNAP's website.
      However, if all four bays are currently filled with two RAID 1 arrays, I'm not sure if you'd be able to go to RAID 5 without destroying the data in the second RAID 1 array. To my viewers/subscribers: has anyone else tried this?

  • @Carlostype
    @Carlostype 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello!
    I'm upgrading my qnap ts 253a with 2 new drives (raid 1) with new wd 6tb red but i was advised to test the drives first, so could i insert a drive and smart test it before it does its rebuild?
    Thank you, hope you don't mind my question.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a good question that i unfortunately don't know the answer to. I've read on the QNAP forums that when a rebuild is interrupted (at least during a power outage), you can restart the rebuild again from scratch. I can't imagine that hitting the cancel button would be any different, but I'll ask my viewers if they've had any experience with this. Anyone?

  • @kevday3051
    @kevday3051 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im new to this and am stuck at beginning i go into storage pool management and my manage is greyed/disabled out i have a TS - 453a with 4 x 8tb drives and one of these drives needs replacing as there is a warning and errors can you help please.

  • @idontwantosay5496
    @idontwantosay5496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have followed the procedures in your video and replaced 4 4Tb drives with 4 10Tb drives in a RAID5 configuration. Everything seemed to go very smoothly (although it seemed like each subsequent rebuild for each succeeding drive replacement took pretty much the same length of time as the first one did, although I didn't log the exact times so I can't say for sure). At any rate, I got to the step where you clicked the expand the capacity of the storage volume, which the video said should not take much time at all. However, when I clicked it the thing went very quickly to about 40% complete and then slowed way down and said it was synchronizing and was going to take just over 10 hours to complete. After 10 minutes or so it's up to about 42% done with just under 10 hours to go. Does that sound normal, and is it just taking longer because these disks are twice as big as the ones you used (and/or because this is a RAID5), or does it sound like something funky is going on?.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      According to QNAP's website, for the expansion process specifically:
      "The process may take from hours to tens of hours to finish depending on the drive size. Please wait patiently for the process to finish. Do NOT turn off the power of NAS"
      So I think this may be a combination of your drive size upgrade and the fact that it is RAID 5 (as opposed to a smaller delta upgrade and RAID 1 in my video). The overall procedure that you took is exactly correct, again according to QNAP's website.

  • @reanult457
    @reanult457 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Merry x'mas, is it possible just replace one drive and still recognize it to use the remaining space ?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it's part of a RAID 1 like I show in the video, I'm afraid not - all drives in the mirror would need to be at least larger than the original disks in the RAID in order to expand. I believe it's the same for RAID 5, since the smallest physical disk defines the size of the array.

  • @fevren
    @fevren 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    those seagate drives had source of many problem in my qnaps. i had to replace with nas version.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've had to RMA a couple 5TB Seagates, but the 8TB ones have held up fine for four years (so far).

  • @jasocaz
    @jasocaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Any idea how you can format the drive before physically removing? I don't have another computer I can plug it into to format it, so would love to do that in my 2-bay QNAP in RAID 1.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not aware of a way to actually wipe or format the disk before removing it from the QNAP (as it's already part of a RAID). Others viewers may have experience with this - anyone?

    • @jasocaz
      @jasocaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@accessrandom Sounds like it's not possible based on some feedback from support. Oh well, I can buy an external dock.
      Thanks for the reply!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jasocaz Thank you for the update.

  • @idontwantosay5496
    @idontwantosay5496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video - thanks. One question though - does this same process work to be able to replace 4 4Tb drives that are in a RAID5 configuration with 4 10Tb drives, or does it only work for RAID1 configs as shown in the video? (also, is there any reason to expect that it wouldn't work if the NAS is a QNAP TVS-473 instead of the TS-451 shown in the video?)

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. The same procedure should work with RAID 5 and for the TVS series, but each disk will need to be replaced one at a time (and rebuild after each replacement). You'll see a "Replace Disks One-by-One" option when you enter the Management section.

    • @reanult457
      @reanult457 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom is this something similar to Synology SHR system ?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      After doing some research on SHR (I wasn't familiar with it), it sounds like SHR allows multiple disks of different sizes and utilizes all the space on all disks regardless of their sizes. In traditional RAID, you would need disks of the same size - otherwise, there would be wasted space.

  • @kctam8519
    @kctam8519 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, if my DataVol1 (System) with Thick volume HD drive (without Raid) want to replace a bigger HD drive, how I can do? I can't find any solution from Qnap docs and web, thanks.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately, I don't think that would be possible since QNAP needs to rebuild the new disk using the data from the other drives in the RAID. What you could do is make a backup to an external drive, replace the internal, then restore the data. Wish I had a better answer...

  • @S60Rguy
    @S60Rguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you know by chance if this will work on a Qnap TS-431P with a 4 drive RAID 10 array? I've walked through the steps in my QTS interface and everything works as far as I can test (I haven't purchased the larger drives yet so I can't test the swap drive section yet). I've seen on the QNAP forums and Q&A pages where some options for expansion aren't available for RAID 10 configurations unless you've set it up using a pool (I'm configured for static volume) so I just wanted to be sure. If it's not supported I'll have to go the crappy route of purchasing a 4TB+ external USB 3.0 drive (my current capacity on the NAS is 4 x 2TB drives in RAID 10), copy all my data from NAS to usb drive, pull the drives in the NAS and replace them with the planned 4TB drives, create a new RAID array, and then copy all my data back onto the NAS. Not ideal at all.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm afraid I don't know since I haven't tried a RAID 10 on a static volume. However, my RAID 1 was a static volume and I was able to expand that. I'll need to defer to other viewers who might have more experience - anyone?

  • @kwong0127
    @kwong0127 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I upgrade the HDD like this if my QNAP NAS do not have the hot swap tray?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      What model QNAP do you have? If it's not hot-swappable, you can always just shut down and replace it.

  • @ricigri1242
    @ricigri1242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video! Does it matter what kind of volume type you use (static, thick or thin)? Or can you expand to a larger drive without data loss and at the same time get the extra space of the new drive (like you demonstrate here on your video) no matter the type of volume?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. That's a good question - I've only worked with static volumes so I'm not sure about the others. I'll need to defer to other viewers with more experience - anyone?

    • @ricigri1242
      @ricigri1242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom First of all thank you for your reply. I think it doesn't matter because when we talk about static, thick or thin we are talking at a logical level. I think the differences of those options are related to the kind of flexibility you wanna have at a logical level (and of course some features and perhaps things are different if what you want is to add another hdd to an existing raid ?? - which is something different that we see in this video). But again, i can be totally wrong, but the small research i made so far it's what i've been led to belive in.

  • @mathewbeattie3468
    @mathewbeattie3468 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When the disks are being swapped and the raid is being rebuilt are the shares/files still accessible on the network? Or do you have to wait until the process is complete before they are accessible again?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a very good question - if I remember correctly, the files were still available as the array was rebuilding. Hopefully someone else can confirm - anyone?

  • @tobyport5873
    @tobyport5873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good concise instructions. The note re second disk not taking as long to rebuild is misleading. All things being equal it should take exactly the same. Perhaps in your case it did not as disk 1 might have been much faster than old disk 1. I just went through the process with an 8 disk array and it always took the same agonizing 12.5h per 8 TB drive to rebuild from parity data.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for sharing that observation. Sorry, I didn't mean to mislead - perhaps it's because mine was a simple mirror RAID with two disks? The clock in the video reflects the realtime durations so the first rebuild took a very long time, and the second one took a minute...

    • @alanhartmann3355
      @alanhartmann3355 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom Great video! I went from 2x3TB drives in raid 1 to 2x6TB drives in raid one, and both "rebuilding" phases took about the same amount of time, something like 5-6 hours, this on an old 469L. The thing that's got me concerned is the final "expand" step that the video says "doesn't take long at all" -- the time estimate is at 90 hours now (it's been running about 10 minutes -- I learned in the 1st two steps not to believe the initial estimates). I hope I don't have to start over.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alanhartmann3355 I actually went through this process again and the expand operation went pretty quickly. I'm not sure why it would take such a long time - the only thing I can think of is that perhaps something is being written to the disk while the expand is underway?

    • @alanhartmann3355
      @alanhartmann3355 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@accessrandom Fortunately that early estimate of 90 hours was high by a factor of 10. Actual time was about 8 1/2 hours. Possibly the age of my NAS is a factor.

  • @Zeppy007
    @Zeppy007 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! If I want to just add another 14TB drive to my existing Raid 5 group on my QNAP TVS 872 XT, I assume I just install the new 14TB into one of the empty bays while my QNAP is running, and then just do the same procedure as your video! Is that right? Thanks, Jeff

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. Adding another disk to an existing RAID 5 is a different use case, but I believe part of the procedure is the same. After you physically add the disk to your QNAP, you'll want to "Select Manage -> Expand Pool," and then select "Add new disk(s) to an existing RAID group". After you add the disk, you'll want to click "Expand".

    • @Zeppy007
      @Zeppy007 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom Perfect! Thanks so much for the advice and quick response :-)

    • @Zeppy007
      @Zeppy007 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom One more thing, can I add 2 disks at the same time, or does the Raid 5 need to rebuild one disk at a time?
      I assume the ladder! Thanks again, Jeff

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Zeppy007 Sure thing - from QNAP's website, it implies that you can add more than one disk at a time to a RAID. "Select the *disks* that will be used to expand the storage pool." So it looks like you can do more than one at a time...

    • @Zeppy007
      @Zeppy007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      access random Thanks for the reply!

  • @chriswood1149
    @chriswood1149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, great video. Once I have installed my new drives and everything is up and running, how do I format my old drives?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In the video, I was upgrading existing drives to replace them (so that they would be copied one-by-one to the new drives). Was that your intent?

    • @chriswood1149
      @chriswood1149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom sorry I should have explained more clearly. The video is great for what I need to do. Replace both drives from my TS251+ 2 bay NAS.
      Once I have the new drives in and everything configured, how do I erase and format the drives that I have taken out? For example if I wanted to sell the drives. Can this be performed by the NAS if I insert an old drive back in, or would this need to be done on a PC? Thanks

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chriswood1149 Ah, I see. You can attach the drives to a PC (as an external drive in a USB enclosure), and if you're using Windows, you can use the built-in diskpart utility to delete all the partitions as I show in one of my other videos here: th-cam.com/video/sfS143DikPE/w-d-xo.html. You can also use the "clean" command in diskpart to wipe the disk all at once, which I've documented in the description of that video.

    • @chriswood1149
      @chriswood1149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom thank you very much. So is this only possible using a PC?
      I ask this as I have a laptop pc with no external enclosures so doing this in the NAS would be the best option. If not then I can source an external enclosure.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chriswood1149 The external enclosure method (or temporarily attaching the disk internally in another desktop PC) would be the easiest way. If the two drives in your TS-251 are mirrored, you should be able to wipe one disk in the mirror while leaving the other intact (theoretically). I'll need to defer to others who may have more experience with deleting a mirrored disk - anyone?

  • @janbergstrom645
    @janbergstrom645 ปีที่แล้ว

    By Expand it does RAID synchronization for hours and it issues a warning "Do not power off the NAS or remove any disks while synchronization is in progress.", that would have been good to know.

  • @seanhuynh3716
    @seanhuynh3716 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, do you know how to reformat the "old" drive that you removed? Because qnap had created many partitions (like 5 of them) on the old drives and somehow I can't just delete the partitions.. Invalid arguments is the error message..

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you tried using Windows' Disk Management tool? (Go to Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Storage -> Disk Management) I believe you should be able to delete those volumes there.

    • @seanhuynh3716
      @seanhuynh3716 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      access random
      Omg, I tried for hours, and yet nothing worked.. couldn’t get it working properly.. tried on Windows, macOS, Linux.. lol.. gave up for a day then I switched to a different enclosure.. bam! That was the issue! Thanks for the tip!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow, I would never have guessed!

  • @rdhrkns
    @rdhrkns 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long can I define will take some time... currently my 80% filled 2T hard disc is still rattling after 21 hours, replacing bay 1 with a 4T.
    The Volume Management says with status ‘degraded mode (Treshold reached)’. Each disc volume shows a status ‘Good’. All options for the Manage drop down are still grayed out. Power LED is blinking in red HDD 1 and HDD 2 sporadically flicker as the disc ratteling continues.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I recorded it in real time (meaning the time stamps are accurate), so around the 3:30 mark you'll see that I started on a Wednesday at noon and ended on Thursday at about 9 am. So it will definitely be an overnight process (and even longer for a larger hard drive). I didn't mean to mislead but it does take quite a long time for the first rebuild...

    • @rdhrkns
      @rdhrkns 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your reply.
      Currently it is still running. Did your qts manager log you out in between as well.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure thing. Looking back at my raw footage, it looks like I just paused Camtasia and then resumed it when it was done rebuilding, so I don't believe QTS logged me out.

  • @radecoco
    @radecoco 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happens to the data on the old drives? I now have two 3TB drives that I have no use for and I need to get rid.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The data and partitions on the old drives stay on the drive, so if you want to clear them, you'll want to attach them to another computer and wipe them (from Windows, you can use the "clean" command from diskpart from one of my other videos: th-cam.com/video/sfS143DikPE/w-d-xo.html).

  • @iannoble8626
    @iannoble8626 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Silly question, possibly, but then I don't understand the nitty-gritty of RAID. If i have a 2-disk RAID1, and I expand it this way, are the disks I've swapped out still a RAID pair afterwards? Or does the first rebuild operation affect the content of the remaining older disk in some way? (In other words, are they effectively a useable backup of the RAID at the time I expanded it? Could I, in a worst case, just put the two old drives back in my NAS and expect to see them work OK? I can't see myself having a need for that, but it's always good to understand your options.)

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      RAID 1 is a simpler types of RAID, where one disk is just a mirror of the other. Expanding the RAID after swapping out one or both disks is still considered RAID 1 - after one is swapped out, the system will rebuild - or mirror - all of the contents of the non-swapped disk to the other. In the worst case, you could take one of the disks and connect it to Windows to read/recover any data (the data would be on an ext3 partition, but there are utilities in Windows that will allow you to read it - or you could just mount it in a linux system). Still, RAID is not considered a backup. For example, you could lose the QNAP unit and both disks in a fire, so you'll still want a backup system.

    • @iannoble8626
      @iannoble8626 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@accessrandom Thanks

  • @Dannyskillz
    @Dannyskillz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So now you have two empty 5TB drives?

  • @LarryGanz
    @LarryGanz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi - please read to the end? What if [1] I had 4 x 6TB drives in a RAID 5 group, with StoragePool1 (16.35TB formatted) and having one DataVol1 (approx 12TB Thick volume) which was originally set to not use all the available disk space, so that I'd have a lot of free unallocated space for snapshots; but then [2] when I was storing 10.8TB on the 12TB volume I kept getting warnings that the drive was at 90%, and I accidentally expanded DataVol1 to use 100% of available space in the DataVol1 volume (15.89TB); and [3] now I can't do snapshots since I have no un-allocated space remaining? CAN I UPGRADE out 2 of the 6TB drives with 8TB drives, and AVOID clicking on the "expand" button at the end, so that there will be now be some new free space (guessing 1.8TB) for snapshots, while my DataVol1 remains the same size (15.89TB)? I don't want to expand to 100% again!

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think I'm qualified to answer your question, as I haven't had experience with your specific use case. Perhaps someone else can chime in?
      I do know that for the RAID expansion in my video, it did not allocate the maximum amount of space until I clicked the Expand button...

    • @LarryGanz
      @LarryGanz 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, I guess the question is, after you added both larger drives and u got to the last step, what would happen if you didn't hit the Expand button? Would the extra space be "unallocated" for snapshots or another volume?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed that is the million dollar question. I know I don't have that many subscribers, but I hope there is someone who will be able to answer it.

  • @DutchRedGaming
    @DutchRedGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about non hot swappeble drives?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not familiar with QNAP's models with non-hot-swappable drives, but I assume the procedure would be similar (except you'd shut down before swapping drives)?

  • @JustSomeInternetDude
    @JustSomeInternetDude 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    do all drives have to be replaced in one session, or can one drive be replace for a bigger one at any time?
    for example could the process stop at replacing only one drive in the raid group and expand capacity?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it's a RAID 1 (mirror) as I have in the video, you'll need to replace both disks before you can expand it.

    • @JustSomeInternetDude
      @JustSomeInternetDude 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom
      im running 6 bays, as raid 6

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      According to QNAP, "if disks with different capacities are combined in one RAID group, all disks function according to the capacity of the smallest disk" for all RAID types, so it sounds like replacing only one disk would not allow expansion.

    • @JustSomeInternetDude
      @JustSomeInternetDude 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom
      thanks for that, good to know

  • @yonkeuulen8380
    @yonkeuulen8380 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Clearly!

  • @Dannyskillz
    @Dannyskillz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about all the data from the old drives?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The data from the old drives will remain intact. This procedure clones the data and expands the partition to take advantage of the additional free space.

  • @BananaPrince841
    @BananaPrince841 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So my problem is, that once I get into Data Managment, the "manage" button is greyed-out. It's disabled... I can't get to the "replace disks one by one" option. Anyone?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does you RAID have redundancy (i.e., is it anything other than RAID0)?

  • @primozz1111
    @primozz1111 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    so all the data on old drives is copied on new drives ?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, your data will remain intact.

  • @NAV866
    @NAV866 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What to do if Manage button not active?

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you have a RAID group in your system by any chance?

    • @NAV866
      @NAV866 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@accessrandom i think i may have raid0 set

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NAV866 If it's RAID 0 (which means disk striping), there's no redundancy so I believe that's why you don't see it enabled. I don't think striped disks can be replaced/enlarged in the same way RAID 1, 5, 6, etc. can.

  • @CallMeChato
    @CallMeChato 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you. The QNAP documentation is horrible. Search brings up nothing relevant.

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome and thanks! Glad you found the video useful.

  • @detore
    @detore 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is eactly what I am doing with the exact same nas... fucking youtube man.

  • @iannoble8626
    @iannoble8626 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    _(Edit: Solved. Thanks very much for the extremely helpful video.)_
    HELP... Advice, please? This is simple, and logical - and doesn't match the QTS interface on my QNAP NAS.
    I have a TS-215B (2 bays, RAID1), currently running QTS 4.4.2.1310. I anticipate putting in new, larger disks at some point so I decided to follow this video in my QTS UI to see what I'd need to do. I got as far as "Replace DIsks One By One" - at which point things failed, because there was no comparable "Manage" button to click on. Instead, I got lists of the folders and Apps on the RAID. I'm guessing it's somewhere else in the interface now - but if it is, I've yet to find it.
    _Edit: OK, found it. Updating this in case anyone else stumbles at the same point._
    *Solution:* To get to the correct display, after selecting "Storage/Snapshots", I needed to make sure I had the right thing selected. What came up at that point was a pull-down labelled "Storage Pool 1", and under that pulldown was my RAID volume. The pulldown opened expanded, and I was selecting the RAID name - which took me to the wrong menu display. Selecting the "Storage Pool" line and clicking "Manage" - or, indeed, just double-clicking the pool name - takes me to the correct display. (I appreciate that "Storage Pool 1" may be a default name, or something I chose myself - but hopefully the above is enough to help someone in the same position.)

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the update and the details on solving the problem. I'll need to revisit this video and remake it using the latest version of QTS, especially with all the small UI changes.

    • @iannoble8626
      @iannoble8626 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@accessrandom You're welcome. It had to be in there somewhere - I was just struggling to find it. What caught me out at first was that it wasn't obvious to me that the line I needed was selectable (or that I'd actually selected it once I had). And - still a great video!
      _Edit: ...and someone had already hit the same problem and answered it. I should have read down further!_

  • @JESUSistheGoodNews
    @JESUSistheGoodNews 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why the hell did they change the software? It sucks now. This method was MUCH better. How the hell do we do it with the new software????

    • @accessrandom
      @accessrandom  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, QNAP keeps re-arranging the UI. I'll need to look at updating the video when I can...