The Creation Myth of the Proto Indo-Europeans

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  • Balance, order and chaos, the key themes in this creation myth, probably first told 6 to 8,000 years ago. This version, influenced from work by Bruce Lincoln and David Anthony, along with my own research, this is a contemporary telling of a reconstructed creation myth of the Indo-Europeans.
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  • @ezrafriesner8370
    @ezrafriesner8370 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    As an archaeologist I love these videos! Obviously our professions have very different methods, but we share our ultimate goal in expanding upon the collective knowledge of humanity 🙌

    • @Diogenes_43
      @Diogenes_43 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Understanding reconstructed myths could help with the interpretation of finds.

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Diogenes_43 precisely, understanding mythological themes and ideas often informs how we might suggest our findings be interpreted

  • @The.BansheeRose
    @The.BansheeRose หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    What a treat. Sitting here witnessing totality of the solar eclipse listening to the creation myth of the Indo-Europeans. Perfect timing, kudos

  • @charles.e.g.
    @charles.e.g. หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I think your telling of this primordial tale may be some of your very best work. Not only is it enormously informative and educational, it is also so beautifully written and narrated that there are times when it sounds truly poetic. Thank you for this rare gem. ❤

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you so much for your very kind words.

  • @NIDELLANEUM
    @NIDELLANEUM หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I am writing a thesis on mythology, and your videos have been a huge source of inspiration. This will be one as well, I know. Thank you for being this huge source of knowledge

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you, and I hope my future videos help as well.

    • @colorpg152
      @colorpg152 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Crecganford for the love of christ will you please stop with the asmr it almost impossible to watch the video

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@colorpg152 This is just my voice, no effects, just me reading out loud.

    • @davidramos5559
      @davidramos5559 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Crecganford i LOVE your voice

  • @argentandroid5732
    @argentandroid5732 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    It's nice sometimes, just hearing the story without all the breakdown and references. I appreciate the research and effort, but sometimes I just want to hear a good story.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I do have the Crecganford Reads channel, which I will slowly add that sort of content too.

  • @IndoAryan
    @IndoAryan 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    The Nāsadīya Sūkta, also known as the Hymn of Creation, is the 129th hymn of the 10th mandala of the Rigveda. It is concerned with cosmology and the origin of the universe.

  • @theotheagendashill818
    @theotheagendashill818 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Its interesting how the Indo-European creation myth was largely replaced with the Uralic "earth-diver" creation myth among the Slavs, although other versions existed

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Yes, and a Christianized version of the Earth Diver myth at that, which gives us a clue of why it was replaced.

    • @theotheagendashill818
      @theotheagendashill818 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Crecganford wait so you mean that the earth-diver myth appeared amongst the Slavs only after christianisation?

    • @jurgenjung4302
      @jurgenjung4302 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      TH-cam:ROBERT SEPHER mit "Origins of the First EUROPEANS" 👋

    • @shanegooding4839
      @shanegooding4839 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sounds like the Christianised version offers clues to its replacement not its appearance.

  • @annawoudstra6574
    @annawoudstra6574 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I can easily imagine you telling this story on a pleasantly warm summer eve to a group of companions gathered around a campfire, as I imagine those who first told it did thousands of years ago :)

    • @jurgenjung4302
      @jurgenjung4302 หลายเดือนก่อน

      TH-cam:ROBERT SEPHER mit "Origins of the First EUROPEANS" 👋

  • @starhash
    @starhash หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I do not yet know for sure how these stories trickle into the Hinduism practices today in India, but from a linguistic perspective the words Manus and Yemo bear direct derivatives from their Proto-Indo-European forms into Sanskrit as मनु / Manu and यम / Yam. Manu was an ancient sage and Yama is considered to be the cheerful king who whence dying first became the guard of hell in our stories. And not to ignore the importance of cows and their protection. We still have a saying that goes "A family doesn't starve in drought if they have a cow at home". Fascinating!

    • @starhash
      @starhash หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      P.S. You mentioned eternal cycles in the universe, which is also mentioned within the Vedas in a similar fashion. In fact, we call the faith/practice as Eternal Duty (or how you interpret it, also as Eternal Religion).

    • @starhash
      @starhash หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for making this btw!

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      We use the Rig Veda to help reconstruct this myth, and so that is why you see connections, and these connections link to Romans, Greeks, Old Norse, Iranians, Persians, and even some biblical texts.

    • @milanmadhani323
      @milanmadhani323 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Crecganford Outstanding. If there is a video where you can show the similar constructs of time & Creation between both the Bible and Rig Veda, that would be truly amazing. In the Vedas, time is cyclical. Each major time period, according to the Vedas, consists of a Kalpa. A "kalpa" (or one day & night of Brahma, the first living being) is 4.32 billion years. It consists of 14 sub time periods, known as a "Manvantara," led by a "Manu." Preceding the 1st such Manvantara, there is a "Sandhya" (or "twilight" of Brahma) consisting of 1.728 Million years, and so on and so forth preceding the rest of the remaining Manvantaras. The earth ("Bhu-loka") is submerged in water in each of these "Sandhyas" or twilights of 1.728 million years.
      Each such "Manvantara" means a duration of time of each Manu ("Manu" = man; "Antara" = interval/term), thus indicating there are MULTIPLE "Manus" leading each cosmological subepoch (14 to be exact). That's not all.
      Each such "Manvantara" lasts for 306,720,000 Earth years (or, 852,000 divine years, with 1 divine year = 360 of our 4 season-completed 'solar' years) not including Brahma's twilight period of 1.728 million years preceding each such Manvantara.
      Each Manvantara is then further subdivided into 72 more cycles known as "Yuga Cycle".
      Each Yuga Cycle consists of 4 Yugas; namely a Satya Yuga (1.728 million years), Dwapara Yuga (1.296 million years), Dwapara Yuga (864,000 years), and Kali Yuga (432,000 years), with each such Yuga Cycle consisting of 4,320,000 years. Completion of 4 such Yugas is a "Maha" (great) Yuga (or Yuga Cycle).
      It takes 72 such Maha Yugas (cycles), to complete one Manvantara. There are 14 Manvantaras, as mentioned,
      The current universe, per Wikipedia, is currently being ruled by the 7th such Manu, meaning we are in the 7th Manvantara, 28th Yuga Cycle, in the 4th Yuga (Kali), of which we have only gone through about 5000 of the total 432,000 years of this Kali Yuga. After all the Manvantara's are completed, Creation will be destroyed ("Pralay'), with such destruction equaling 1,728,000 years. And that completes ONE day (and one night) of Brahma (the "kalpa"). One "Month" in Brahmic time (i.e, Brahma's time) means 30 such "days & nights," ie, 30 such Kalpas., or 259.2 billion years 30 x [2 x (306.72 M x 14 + 1.728 x 15) ]. Twelve "months" of Brhama is one "year" in HIS life, and he lives only 100 such cosmic years, constituting a "maha-kalpa" (311.04 trillion of our years). Fifty of Brahma's cosmic "years" have elapsed, and we are now in the "Shveta-Varaha Kalpa" or the 1st cosmic "day" of his 51st cosmic "year."
      Each Kalpa (cosmic day of Brahma) has a name, according to the Matsya Purana.
      Each Manu of each Manvantara has a different name. This Manu's name of our time, in Sanskrit, is known as "Vaivasvata," who was the king of ancient Tamil Nadu (southern kingdom of India), before a great flood. This same Manu, was warned of such a great flood, by a fish incarnation of God ("Vishnu"), and thus built a big BOAT which carried the Vedas, his family, and the seven sages "Sapta Rishis" to safety. Sound familiar?
      Thus we have the concept of CONSTANT dissolutin/destruction followed by creation. All matter is subject to CONSTANT decay and destruction, a similar theme throughout ancient Hindu metaphysics.
      The Genesis also says God created the Universe (or this Universe anyways), in 6 such "days." It is not clear on what such "day" references, a cosmic day or a human day. The first man, or Manu, is "Adam" and the first woman is "Eve." Beyond that I do not know much of the concepts of time, creation, destruction. Would love to see you publish something which speaks to the Vedas but in line with Christian and Hebrew metaphysics.

  • @Bjorn_Algiz
    @Bjorn_Algiz หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Already got some coffee ready and about to tune in and watch.😊 can't wait for this indeed brother.❤

    • @shanedussault740
      @shanedussault740 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Coffee! Heresy!

    • @Bjorn_Algiz
      @Bjorn_Algiz หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@shanedussault740 😅 hehehe

    • @HangrySaturn
      @HangrySaturn หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It shoulda been tea

  • @kevinmurphy65
    @kevinmurphy65 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is an awesome addition to your library! Really well done! Thank you!

  • @panninggazz5244
    @panninggazz5244 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thank you for taking the time to create this video

  • @majidbineshgar7156
    @majidbineshgar7156 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Thank you very interesting , incidentally regarding that matter , in the film Prometheus directed by Ridley Scot , humanity is imagined having been created and instructed by extraterrestrial entities "the engineers " now I mentioned that because in the film the android was able to communicate with those beings only via " proto-indo-european language " hinting that " indo-european languages for their elegance , beauty and sublime power must have been brought to humanity from a higher intellectual realm.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yes, that was quite a clever scene, and from that a book called Grammar of the Indo-Europeans - Prometheus Edition was made. And a solid piece of work it is.

  • @kirgan1000
    @kirgan1000 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    It is the creation myth of the Norse fate thousands of years later, details differ, but the major concepts are there, like the cow, order vs chaos, the brothers, the sacrifice/slaying of a giant, to build the world out of his body parts.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That is because the Old Norse myth had significant influence from Indo-European cultures.

    • @kirgan1000
      @kirgan1000 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Crecganford I know Norse fate have a Indo-European orgin, I was so surprise that it was still so close to the "original" fate thousands of years later.

  • @maxtrevor9910
    @maxtrevor9910 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fantastic video.
    I really appreciate the shorter than usual length. I know you have so much to say and it can be hard to trim things down, but sometimes its hard for me to make time for longer videos.

  • @dalestaley5637
    @dalestaley5637 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I loved this. Your voice is so soothing. Perfect for story telling.
    The program is beautiful.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you.

  • @miguellimzon9317
    @miguellimzon9317 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To get a visual storytelling of the earliest creation myth that predates other ancient cultures is the both entertaining and enlightening. Thank you for this video sir 🙏

  • @adventurecreations3214
    @adventurecreations3214 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You are such a great storyteller with such great stories to tell. Thank you.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow, thank you!

  • @nod55106
    @nod55106 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wonderful telling of this story. The best i've heard. thank you so much!

  • @bradrcool
    @bradrcool หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Crecganford is just the best! What a great way to start my day. Thanks for posting this

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you.

  • @Ryz414
    @Ryz414 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    These myths can tell us so much about our past and understand of the universe.

  • @oki9395
    @oki9395 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always love your video. This video reminds me to your very first video. Your style has been improved over time ❤

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for watching, and the kind feedback. I do try and improve where I can, but there is still a way to go.

  • @HalloweenHalloween-sc4jo
    @HalloweenHalloween-sc4jo 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I can see dark souls got some inspiration from this tale. Great Narration!

  • @christopherfelser
    @christopherfelser หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is a great format.

    • @WACkZerden
      @WACkZerden หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I agree..
      And I'll say: while I like the long presentations, I also appreciate these shorter videos!

  • @RhoArtMagic
    @RhoArtMagic หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Refreshing mythology. Thanks for your work. 😎👍

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A lovely tale, thanks for bringing it together

  • @debrajohnson3233
    @debrajohnson3233 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Such a beautiful story, full of love, respect, and perseverance. Thank you, Jon

  • @matthemming9105
    @matthemming9105 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you for this! Perfect timing, as I'm sitting here in Toronto, watching the Moon eat the Sun while listening to this lovely rendition.

  • @TioDeive
    @TioDeive หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you so much. Thanks to your videos I developed an interest in mythology and this has brought a lot of new knowledge and entertainment to my life. I'm now quite curious about PIE, prehistory and everything related to that. Thank you again, it's a always a great experience watch your videos.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much for sharing how much my videos have inspired you, there is a lot more to tell and so I hope you keep watching.

  • @Robert-gc9gc
    @Robert-gc9gc หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beautiful, after seeing the eclipse today I really feel this deeply. Good timing ❤

  • @Vlow52
    @Vlow52 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    It’s very sad that despite all the progress and enormous variations of information a human mind can only describe its consciousness and nothing else. Probably, it’s the universal thinking limit: “There was nothing until a mind has formed and started to blindly divide and name every thing that it could possibly comprehend”.

  • @erikhoff5010
    @erikhoff5010 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very nice, excellent! Thanks for sharing. Skal

  • @auggiemarsh8682
    @auggiemarsh8682 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Truly a wondrous reconstruction of one of the oldest recorded creation myths

  • @Thomas83KO
    @Thomas83KO หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I truly love your Videos... Sometimes hard to understand (cause I'm German and some technical Terms and your accent are hard tonl come by) but luckily you do have German subtitles and Transkript! Thanks for all your work and Insights.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you for watching and your feedback, I will always try and improve.

  • @AhJodie
    @AhJodie หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for a beautifully done video.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      And thank you for watching.

  • @ludwigvanbeethoven5176
    @ludwigvanbeethoven5176 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Tea time 🫖

  • @ernestschroeder9762
    @ernestschroeder9762 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great show.

  • @richardburns3543
    @richardburns3543 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That was great. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you.

  • @freedom2012inworld
    @freedom2012inworld 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for the story ❤

  • @penneyburgess5431
    @penneyburgess5431 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Beautiful. Thank you.

  • @prazoles4450
    @prazoles4450 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crazy how it sounds so much like Hindu story. The celestial cow, Manu, etc

  • @gregvondare
    @gregvondare 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As I hear this narrative, I am struck that there are many parallels in the Big Bang theory of a disrupted singularity and the cosmic inflation that followed it. Coincidence? There are many derivates of the creation story, but this one as the potentially oldest and most central amazes me with its plausible details (in the early parts).

  • @thebordoshow
    @thebordoshow หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    great video!
    I just made a video where I cover Caucasian version of Manu and Yemo, Manuka and Januka.
    It has a lot of similarities to this reconstructed myth but its more of a Flood myth than creation of the world and has the Bull fight the dragon.
    What I've researched (like Hindu Manu or Mazdian Yimo) its mostly about the destruction of the old world and recreation of the new, rather than outright a creation myth.
    maybe its like this in more eastern stories.
    keep up the good work

  • @donkfail1
    @donkfail1 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What a treat!
    What is the origin of the name "Ingri"? It's very close to the female "Ingrid", a quite common name here in Sweden (and I think in all Scandinavia + Iceland).
    Similar male names here being Inge and Ingvar. But I guess the origin of Ingri is other than old Norse.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It was meant to be Ng Whi, but I didn’t pick up the mistake in the captions.

    • @majidbineshgar7156
      @majidbineshgar7156 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It must probably be cognate with " Ignis = fire " in Latin-> proto -indo-european *h₁n̥gʷnís (“fire”).

  • @KetsaKunta
    @KetsaKunta หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The slaying of a multi headed serpent and the herding of cattle brings Hercules to my mind. Fascinating myth.

  • @Alex-zo1sl
    @Alex-zo1sl หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is great! I realize this is a synthesis, and you have pulled on several different myths to create this.
    Would you mind listing which traditions you used? I love to compare and contrast the stories.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have made a video about this, the sources and differences, just check out my channel and look for the Indo-European Creation Myth.

  • @katmai90210
    @katmai90210 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    had no idea chaos was cunning. surprising discovery.

  • @gabork5055
    @gabork5055 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The beginning of this story actually sounds a lot more scientifically accurate/plausible than what later religions came up with.

  • @theunknownfragment5473
    @theunknownfragment5473 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sweet I get my favorite subject in ASMR form

  • @finickygods3896
    @finickygods3896 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My name is Manas, pronounced esactly like you did (Manus) - it means man in Sanskrit.
    Thanks for connecting to my some distant roots. I am Amazed.

  • @user-pj5by8lx2m
    @user-pj5by8lx2m หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pretty awesome story thank you.

  • @guidoivanmendez2354
    @guidoivanmendez2354 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    All the myths condensed in one!! Incredible!! And by the way, the serpent was also a universal symbol of chaos, not only for indoeuropeans. Do you guys, believe that there was an original mythology from before our ancestors left Africa? I know, sounds crazy, but is just incredible to find similar stories around all the globe.
    Love your channel. Keep up the excellent work!!

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, I have made a video about this, our oldest creation myth.

    • @majidbineshgar7156
      @majidbineshgar7156 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are free to believe that your ancestors left Africa based on a mere hypothesis Not a fact , whereas most Eurasians do not believe their ancestors came from Africa .

    • @guidoivanmendez2354
      @guidoivanmendez2354 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Crecganford i'll check it out. Thank you!!!

    • @thedivinemrm5832
      @thedivinemrm5832 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@majidbineshgar7156 Cringe...

    • @Dice_roller
      @Dice_roller หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@majidbineshgar7156Don't make me laugh.

  • @Valdagast
    @Valdagast หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent!

  • @antidweller6373
    @antidweller6373 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Reminds me of the Bundahišn.

  • @archismanrudra9336
    @archismanrudra9336 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The first part of the video seems almost a word to word translation of the nasadiya sukta from the rigveda

  • @joannemccuaig6041
    @joannemccuaig6041 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very cool story!

  • @MarcusCactus
    @MarcusCactus หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The video is proposed with a French-translated title.
    Hum!
    It reads: " The myth of indo-european creation " instead of " the i-e myth of cr."
    That is why I never use the expression Artificial Intelligence. Say Artificial Stupidity.

  • @elizabethford7263
    @elizabethford7263 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow. So many of these these and elements are at the core of our current modern existence. Of all the questions I have, the predominant one is: how would the world be different if the primordial myths did not involve sacrifice and salvation?

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you don't sacrifice something how do you show you really believe in it?

  • @user-wk8nk6zk7c
    @user-wk8nk6zk7c หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Basque mythology for diversity

    • @chriselliott4621
      @chriselliott4621 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Would be best taught and told from the Basque themselves.

    • @chocoquark4831
      @chocoquark4831 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yay, stories older than indoeuropeans! This will be very interesting.

    • @BaltimoresBerzerker
      @BaltimoresBerzerker หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He does a good amount of non indo European myths. But that's his academic focus if I remember correctly. So he does mostly indo European stuff

  • @Cytoferus
    @Cytoferus หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like this creative assemblage of several known moteifs. It is fairly distinct from my own attept at a plausible prehistory creation myth cycle, which focuses more on the earthdiver, primordial sea, pleiades, solar cycle, and water serpent as an ambivilant force.

  • @Baptized_in_Fire.
    @Baptized_in_Fire. หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice. I still would like to hear older stories that don't have recent additions, like farming, in them. I'll guess that 15,000 years old and back is where they would be found. I would like to know about our carnivorous past and what people believed when they knew fatty meat was life.
    I've never seen a cave painting of a salad or potato.

  • @victor_bueno_br
    @victor_bueno_br หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beautiful!

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you!

  • @funkrabbit6599
    @funkrabbit6599 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, great video. I'm curiuous what some of the main primary sources are for this myth. It seems you have agregated several versions that appear over time - but what are some of the oldest versions (in terms of extant original texts we can read) that form the core of your version? Also, are you sort of translating certain ideas culturally, I'm wondering? I ask mainly because of you saying "nothing" existed. My understanding of at least the ANE is there was not a concept of "nothing" like we have today (and idea of no matter/material existing at all) but it was more functional or related to order and chaos. ANE creation myths often start with the ocean/abyss or dark chaotic waters. Like their version of nonecistent is just chaos with no order. Would you say its the same for these Indo-Eurpopean myths or do they have more like a modern understanding of "nothing". Thanks.

    • @tcp1623
      @tcp1623 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This story bears SOME similarities with the Nordic creation myth - written down in Icelandic some 800 years ago.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have made a video, I fact many videos about this. Have a look at my channel and you'll find videos on the IE Creation Myth. I hope you enjoy them.

  • @CharlesHuse
    @CharlesHuse หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In some respects, this is a lot closer to the creation myths of the Norse sagas than it is to the Torah/Bible. Being of Germanic/Slavic descent, I find this very favorable.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That is because the Bible is influence significantly from the Near East, where as the Old Norse myth is significantly influenced by the Indo-European cultures. Still, both also have influence from the other cultures too.

  • @abhiramn474
    @abhiramn474 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video! 👍
    In India, I believe the Austroasiatic cultures have given birth to the Vedic idea of the cosmic egg.

  • @tejasnair3399
    @tejasnair3399 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is the Mahabharata a work that exhibits somr influence of Hellenistic Greek culture? I was thinking that because it says online it was compiled between the 3rd centuries BCE and CE, which is the same time as there was this cultural cross-polinization in Gandhara and with the Kushans and so forth, from whom we see this golden age of Greco-Buddhist artwork, as well as perhaps the first manuscripts of the Buddha’s teachings. I’m starting to view that period, along with the reign of Shah Jahan as artistic Golden Ages in India’s history. I’ve seen discussions online that the Mahabharata could’ve been influenced by the Illiad. If this Hellenistic influence extends to Hindu epics is India as a much an heir to the Ancient Greeks as is Europe?

  • @ArnavSharma-bj4ct
    @ArnavSharma-bj4ct หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A fascinating video. You used rigveda 10.129 rigveda 10.190 rigveda 1.105 rigveda right. There are a lot others as well for ex purusha sukta(rigveda 10.90.1) right. As far as norse mythology goes you might be referring to voluspa verse 3 right

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I combined many creation myths from the Indo-European cultures, and picked the oldest versions along with the common stories, and then leveraged other’s work to ensure academic concensus.

    • @ximono
      @ximono หลายเดือนก่อน

      I find parts of Rigveda 10.129 to be curiously similar to 道德經 (Tao Te Ching), at least Yuhui Liang's English translation.

    • @ArnavSharma-bj4ct
      @ArnavSharma-bj4ct หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ximono True bro true. I always find taoism and hinduism very similar. And I also read Tao te Ching. When you look at the Brahman in upanishads and look at Tao you don't see any differences. People always say Chinese philosophy is either Confucius or buddhism but the reality is taoism is older than both of them. Not only that but when you look at greek philosophy they are very similar to brahmanism as well.

    • @ArnavSharma-bj4ct
      @ArnavSharma-bj4ct หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Crecganford That's great

    • @ximono
      @ximono หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ArnavSharma-bj4ct Absolutely. Heraclitus especially of the greeks.

  • @shanegooding4839
    @shanegooding4839 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interesting how the Germanic version moved Mannus into the position of Tuisto's son. Assuming that Tuisto is a form of Yemo of course. While the Norse Odin is Ymirs grandson.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, but we also have to be a little cautious on the reliability of this, but also the myth changed the three parts of Yemo’s body to three regions of land. And so there would be an evolution dependant on society and the environment. What is really interesting is how Manu disappears from the Old Norse myth, a myth that probably influenced the Germanic myths initially. Where did Manu go, the reasonably young god Odin.

    • @ReaderBoy-ql7qj
      @ReaderBoy-ql7qj หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Crecganford One more thing in the Indic myth... Manu was a king... where the god of cosmic order Vishnu... took the form of a fish and informed Manu about the upcoming flood that would destroy humanity... and asked him to get onto an Ark, and carry all the necessary things, 7 sages, food supplies and animals with him. Tell me why would Manu be added into a story which is completely similar to the Semetic-biblical stories? A character that was supposed to be the primordial God. Doesn't really make sense... and also Manuus is the word used to describe a person in India and or Old Persia... which is (Manushya) although Yemo/Yama was sacrificed... both of these guys would later become to be the Sons of the SUN God in the Indic Faith... I'm kinda missing out on something things here btw...

  • @wramper
    @wramper หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pretty good!!!

  • @luciferostelladirubino5208
    @luciferostelladirubino5208 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video is beautiful.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you.

  • @teyanuputorti7927
    @teyanuputorti7927 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great story many similarities with other creation stories

  • @gaufrid1956
    @gaufrid1956 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cows are important. My wife and I have two Brahman cows here in Mindanao Philippines. It's easy to understand why cows were such a great part of the Proto-Indo-European creation myth.

  • @stargatis
    @stargatis หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Tell me a story

  • @royarnejosefsen1863
    @royarnejosefsen1863 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Silmarillion next?

  • @Merikat07
    @Merikat07 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Is the Greek myth of Apollo slaying Python related at all to Trito and the serpent?

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, I have made some videos about dragon slaying, however the Apollo myth has less Indo-European influence than some of the others, as the hero isn’t Trito and no bovines are rescued.

    • @Merikat07
      @Merikat07 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Crecganford I see, thank you for the reply! I visited Delphi last May, it was one of the most magical places I’ve ever been and I couldn’t help think of the hero slaying a reptile serpent

  • @user-qs7gx7rp7m
    @user-qs7gx7rp7m หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yaweh - Storm God ?

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It is said that Yahweh was at one point in his evolution a Storm God.

    • @user-qs7gx7rp7m
      @user-qs7gx7rp7m หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Crecganford Indeed. Caught a show just recently. Yaweh was doing OK till he met Lilith. Don't recall if that's what turned him into a Storm God or not : )

  • @OmegaWolf747
    @OmegaWolf747 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And from this, we get stories like Marduk defeating Tiamat, Heracles defeating the Lernian Hydra, Thor defeating Jormungandr, and St. George defeating the dragon.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think the Marduk connection is less likely, but the others, absolutely.

    • @funkrabbit6599
      @funkrabbit6599 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Crecganford well, it seems so similar to the splitting of Yemo to create the cosmos as we know it. Marduk splits Tiamat in two pieces which become the waters above and the waters below. I thought the same thing.

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Logic and internal consistency are not very important to those inventing mythology!😂 Still, a well presented video!👏

  • @Noeaskr
    @Noeaskr 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What source gave you the idea that the gods were born from their thoughts?

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why does there need to be a single source?

    • @Noeaskr
      @Noeaskr 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Crecganford ok source(s) just curious where that came from, not familiar with it.

    • @Noeaskr
      @Noeaskr 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Crecganford so there isn’t one? I believe in Hinduism the gods come from Yemo’s parts. So not aware of the gods existing before explained anywhere or the gods coming from Manu and Yemo thoughts explained anywhere. If there is I’d like to know.

  • @rahulj.005
    @rahulj.005 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey, you never talked about the 'Battle of 10 kings' in vedas. You said you will 2 years ago but till now you didn't. It's a crucial part of Indo-European history, especially the Indo-aryan. You should have covered it.

  • @jamiegallier2106
    @jamiegallier2106 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ❤❤❤

  • @patrickbureau1402
    @patrickbureau1402 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    sorry - couzin
    Do you know this book ? - change me as a teenager ...
    IMAGES ENCYCLOPEDIA
    by Allan Wesler PHD FN'84. It surveys 367 images from the Terminal Ice Age decorated caves (the first art in the world) through primitive and ancient civilizations to today's societies and religions; and conjoins the images within the singularity of a graphic Snake Ring Story by advanced toolmakers in the Terminal Ice Age caves initiating

  • @glennsimonsen8421
    @glennsimonsen8421 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Genesis account is the only creation story which begins with a God outside of Time and Space. God speaks the material Universe into existence and remains outside of SpaceTime. Every other creation myth begins with something material. This one begins with some cosmic seeds which hatch out hot and cold mist which go on to make gods and cows and such. Where'd the seeds come from?

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you take Genesis 1:1-2 apart, you realize the god it refers to is Marduk, and so not a god out of time and space. But I can understand why believers in the Abrahamic faiths would think that based on translations of those lines.

  • @Noeaskr
    @Noeaskr หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Needs to be written in a meter!

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      That will be published in my book.

    • @Noeaskr
      @Noeaskr หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Crecganford what meter did you choose?

  • @VanaheimrUllr
    @VanaheimrUllr 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l

  • @Spoeism
    @Spoeism หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Tocharian bridge Eastern beliefs with Western.

  • @rosstaytie3712
    @rosstaytie3712 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ta

  • @nukhetyavuz
    @nukhetyavuz หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    skyfather gökturks tengriism ancient siberia animalism ... a time where ancient people were among animals,hundreds of thousands of animals,and where they would most probably be happy encountering each other,and exchanging cultures,rather than eradicating each other... 🧿

    • @user-dt5fp1xp5e
      @user-dt5fp1xp5e หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      warfare was more common then

    • @majidbineshgar7156
      @majidbineshgar7156 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Tian (天) is one of the oldest Chinese terms for heaven , since the proto-turkic peoples lived side by side Chinese civilisation then they must have borrowed that cosmology Ten-ri( cognate with chinese Tian (天) ) from the Chinese.

    • @nukhetyavuz
      @nukhetyavuz หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@majidbineshgar7156 thanks for that info...i always defend this...once most thing,especially what considers spirituality and humanity was more globla,universal and unbiased... people shared more,especially of similiar cultures,and when they encountered a different one,they taught each other...nothing like manipulaton,greed,ego and stuff...there was only one god...the sky god... greeks took it and named it skyfather...it was most probably scythian,prototurk origin,stemming from siberia...greetings to china🌎

    • @theotheagendashill818
      @theotheagendashill818 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@majidbineshgar7156iirc they're not cognates and the ancient Chinese word for Tian was quite different than its present-day form

    • @majidbineshgar7156
      @majidbineshgar7156 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@nukhetyavuz Thank you yes Indeed all humanity share some common elements of mythology and even underlying common linguistic structure , however Scythians were not Turkic , and I know that in Turkey as well as some Turkic speaking countries their official education claim as If Scythian had been Turkic, while one should note that Greeks and Latin historians related Scythians to Persian world and the direct descendants of Scythian Alans i.e. Ossetians have survived who speak an Iranic language .

  • @csolisr
    @csolisr หลายเดือนก่อน

    And now we wait for somebody to translate it to Dnghu a.k.a. Proto-Indo-European

  • @Samuel42069
    @Samuel42069 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So in this tale that warior was only source in the eyes of other humans that he "defeated" the serpent. What if serpent just gave it to him because he liked people and then that warior lied just as his favorite storm god lied?

    • @judewarner1536
      @judewarner1536 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is an ancient myth, and it is what it is. Surely, it does not require falsification in a 21st century reimagining?

  • @iamdigory
    @iamdigory หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is no way that this is disconnected from the mesoamarican hero twins

  • @aripiispanen9349
    @aripiispanen9349 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ♪♫♥- Very Interesting - Thank you for sharing this ;)

  • @sunnysuryani5674
    @sunnysuryani5674 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wasn't this already posted before?

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This has been rewritten as a standalone piece, and so no, this has not been posted before.

  • @benkah5055
    @benkah5055 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great job articulating the root of Gilgamesh, the signs form astrology and many other primordial stories. however, I would add that That there is a lot of evidence behind yemo being intersexed... Why were the Greeks and Romans so terrified of intersex children that they destroyed them from birth?..... They are not the only cultures where these people are. Centerstaged

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Only in specific cultures where Yemo is considered the first primordial being, and so often Manus has been replaced… for example in the Old Norse, where Yemo is Ymir, and Odin has taken the place of Manus. And the reason for this is far to complex to write here, but I could make a video about it one day.

    • @benkah5055
      @benkah5055 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Crecganford Fair enough. Good job on summing up almost countless human histories into 7 minutes

  • @Ponakalaranjit456
    @Ponakalaranjit456 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Instead of Ranjit P I am gonna change my TH-cam channel as a channel dedicated to myths and folklore of the World.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hope you are successful, you can never see too much content about myths!

  • @patrickbureau1402
    @patrickbureau1402 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So ... Aboot Middle Earth... Aint on me map..

  • @arkemiffo
    @arkemiffo หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wonder what the source is for the milk from the cow. You specifically said "they could even use its milk to feed themselves and their children". That's what I'm having problem believing it's actually part of the original myth. Lactose tolerance most likely began about 10.000 years ago, according to genetic studies. At the most densest tolerance population today, it's only roughly 75%, while in other parts of the world, only 25%, and that's after 10.000 years. This myth would've been started only about 2.000 years after lactose tolerance started to become a thing, and it would be rare at this stage.
    I'm not saying that it is false, or incorrect that it's part of the myth, but I'm saying I would love to see some more in-depth about this, as it ties into what we know about the pre-historic eras.

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is a very interesting part of the myth, and one I will expand upon either later this year or next once my research on it has been completed. We must understand that the nurturing nature of cattle is of a Neolithic Farming influence, and so the earliest myth had this within it, before the cattle became more sacred.

    • @DrD0000M
      @DrD0000M หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      There are lactose-intolerant cultures that still used milk via fermenting processes that convert the lactose to digestible sugars. Fermented milk, yogurts and certain hard cheeses can be eaten by those with intolerance. Cultures in Sudan and Tibet used fermented milk products. And don't forget, children up to age 5 everywhere can drink straight milk and even in majority lactose intolerant societies, there are still thousands that are tolerant of lactose into adulthood. Also, lactose intolerance is usually not 100%, that is intolerant people still produce the lactase enzyme, just a very tiny amount, so they can still sample dairy foods within small limits.

  • @gabecunha2411
    @gabecunha2411 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yemo! Yemo! Yemo!

  • @robertd9067
    @robertd9067 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I have never been this early, so
    Raise your Swords in honor of the Sky Father today and take all the cows you see, clearly those other people stole them from you and your kinsmen

  • @Pentagathusosaurus
    @Pentagathusosaurus หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    No initial instructions to make a cup of tea
    Video ruined

    • @Crecganford
      @Crecganford  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah! I knew I was missing something... many apologies, I'll sacrifice a cup of tea to the tea gods to try and make up for this terrible tragedy.