The Drink that Broke Religion
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- Soma, Hoama, The Mead of Poetry, it has many names, but there was a drink within Indo-European culture that allowed you to understand magic, to talk to the gods, to feel immortal. Welcome to the story of the drink that changed religion.
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Immortality Key
Allegro, John. The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross
► Chapters
0:00 Introduction
2:24 The Mead of Poetry
6:05 The Influences within the Story
9:46 The Mead of Poetry continued
14:48 Further influences in the Story
17:37 Libations within Indo-European texts
23:03 Why a Magical Mead
26:48 Psychedelics within the Mead
34:20 The Influence of Soma, Hoama, and Magical Mead
Fun fact. Osiris was the Egyptian God of magic mushrooms. They were said to sprout where his seed dribbled on the ground. Egyptian columns were representations of both his phallus and shrooms. Greeks copied the Egyptians, Romans copied the Greeks, and we copied The Romans. Because of Osiris' role as judge of the dead, columns were also put on courthouses. Whenever you see columns outside a courthouse, that's Osiris' phallus.
The Garden of Eden/paradise, is inside the Orion Nebula M42. Our solar system was born there.
@@RealUvane I thought it was in New Jersey.
@@Animalis_Mundana why?
@@RealUvane
Since childhood, I’ve felt a strange pull toward the constellation Orion. Since the internet has such a variety of information, i run across interesting information - thank you for sharing 🙏🏼🦋
Source?
"For I have dined on honeydew and drank the milk of paradise" Xanadu - Samuel Taylor Coleridge & later Rush.
Sweet Hostage with Linda Blair and Martin Sheen
@@trailertrish2587 never seen it sorry
Big W for the Rush reference
Coleridge’s drug was opium, though. That must be where his “slimy things with legs” came from. Though I also like Douglas Adams’s explanation in Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency.
@@kellydalstok8900 I've never seen any slimy legs on opiates....??
In modern times, it’s not uncommon for people to use honey to preserve mushrooms, or to put honey in mushroom tea to make it taste better. Also a properly made mushroom tea will not contain any pieces of mushroom, the active ingredients steep into the water and removing the flesh reduces stomach symptoms, which I’m sure a shaman would figure out. But since the mushrooms absorb a lot of the water, a smart person squeezes the filtered mushroom bits out to make sure all the potency is in the liquid. All of this could be easily done with stone age knowledge and technology. So then calling it a mead makes sense if that means a honey brew, a mushroom tea with honey is still a type of honey brew, and the reference to squeezing also makes sense. (The above is not intended for instructional purposes, no one should ever drink THAT kind of tea, of course…)
I assure you I will not be educated by your comment.
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@@man.inblack Someone who isn't me won't, either, I assure you.
Thank you 👍
Mushrooms are great for Parkinson's
Your singing with the choir.
I don't think preaching is correct
14:06 This reminds me of a story from hinduism
Garuda(the main eagle deity) was carrying a pot of amrutha(nectar, basically the drink which made gods live forever).. and while flying he spilt some onto the dried grass land below. There were a bunch of demons on the ground(in the form of snakes), and when they saw the nectar fall to the ground, the tried to lick it up from the land but instead the dried grass being sharp cut their tounges in half. This is also the reason why dried grass(again dried grass, not fresh grass, as the nectar fell on dried grass) is a very holy item used in rituals even to this day!
i really love ur vids! thanks a lot for making them!
The Greeks called that drink ambrosia. The two words 'ambrosia' and 'amrutha' are very close. I wonder if they are cognates.
They are both thought to be descended from the PIE root *mer-²
A couple English words from the same root would be words related to 'mortality', 'murder', &c.
& the '*a-' prefix in each of the two words is a negation therof, so 'amrit' & 'ambrosia' are like the English word 'immortal,' but they refer rather specifically to the drink of immortals.
Syrian rue is a grass high in DMT
any connection, I wonder?
Now I know why snakes' tongues are forked
@@sandradermark8463very niche knowledge but I hope you get to show it off someday ✌🏼
Mushrooms were kept in honey historically. There are even cave paintings of bee faced shamans with mushrooms growing everywhere out of their body.
Yikes.
Bee faced mushroom shaman circa 8000bc . Humans and mushrooms look what they can produce.
Would you be kind to provide a source to where I can read more about this bee faced shaman?
It's eerie! Search for "bee faced shaman" if you don't mind having weird dreams.
Edit: Except it's fake, drawn by Terrence McKenna's wife. The actual cave painting in Tassili n'Ajjer only has four shrooms, on his shoulders and thighs. She must have been on shrooms when she drew the bee faced shaman.
That's still the way they sell them in Yucatan. Lol. Jar of honey with shrooms.
I think it's important to realize, with regard to how the psychotropic stuff would give them subjective experiences, that the reason they held such personal and social power was precisely because they were thought to be objective experiences. These experiences were interpreted to give the same kind of information about reality as any day to day experience.
I mention this because it's easy, I think, for modern people to make the mistake about religion that people in the past believed it to be subjective. Whereas in fact, they believed it to be just as objectively real as anything else they encountered, and that was why it held such power for them.
I do talk about this at the end of this video.
@@Crecganford Oh yes, I did listen to that, I just wanted to clarify!
I don't think it's a reach to say they didn't believe in those stories and gods and the mystical features of the world... they knew it. It was fact for them. That is very powerful.
Modern traditional Catholics like me believe in the objective reality of transubstantiation at Mass.
@@henryvonblumenthal7307first of all, I have nothing against you. Yet I have to use this scarce opportunity to use my favourite "insult":
Theophage!
I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for choosing to create a friendly and inviting atmosphere in your videos while being an incredible storyteller. I'm currently on a healing journey due to religious abuse/trauma, and I've recently found your channel. You have helped me regain my love for mythology and ancient peoples, and your voice is incredibly soothing to listen to- similar to how Morgan Freeman could be speaking of watching paint dry, and most would buy an audiobook of it!
Again, thank you for doing what you do- it helps people in ways you can't imagine ❤!
Thank you so much for your kind words, they are appreciated and I hope I can continue to make videos you enjoy.
Also you might want to consider that chewing a mushroom up and spitting it would be a way to spread the spores, but of course they didn't know about the spores but they probably did notice that mushrooms would grow where they spit the chewed mushrooms.... Just a thought... Accidental early mycology attributed to an action maybe?
(To the extremely toxic reply person) Mushroom farming is documented at earliest to be 1800 (1200AD) years ago. They didn't have microscopes until 1600's. No one knew about spores until post 1600's. They had serious trouble with spawn until the 20th century when it became a full blown science. In the 1800's it was recorded as being 1 out of 6 spawn flushing and all the others didn't or was contaminated. Even the 1000 year old Chinese records on mushroom farming assumed it was the mycelium in the soil, also the Japanese Shitake farms in the 1200's made and no mention of spores at all in the spawn process. So no. Ancient hunter gatherers did not know about spores at all, and it wasn't even mentioned in any ancient texts in any languages until post 1600's.
The other clue is in the mythology, they spit into a vat and a "MAN" was created, and mushrooms are phallic in nature. They could have easily used a non-gendered word but they didn't in the mythology. So just another clue...
Very interesting
Thanks that was really interesting. I read an article that said that Ireland grows a lot of Liberty Cap mushrooms. Taking Liberty Caps was a folk ritual at wedding celebrations.
No wonder their weddings and wakes are so legendary lol 👍
@@gee4947 yeah, something like that..😋
Spit can be used to jumpstart fermentation of alcoholic drinks as well. There are a few beverages still made in this way. I wonder if the very earliest meads were made in this way.
I’ve seen this in a tv documentary about a tribe, where the women chewed plant roots and spat it in a vessel. It’s the enzymes in saliva that break down the starch.
Sounds a bit grim, but very interesting.
@@kellydalstok8900interesting. Another thing to add to my "who on earth was the first person to figure this out?!" List.
I was thinking the plant could have been whatever they put in the drink to help fermentation along. For example, in modern baking, people sometimes use the potato or sugar. But the word "press" was mentioned as a written clue to what they were doing. Pressing juice out of some plant.
@@kellydalstok8900 That would probably be the "chicha" in South America.
There is a story from Croatia about Woden being pursued across the sky on horseback by demons and froth falling from his horse's mouth from which the fly agaric mushroom grew.
Funny it is the horse's mouth and not Odin's mouth. Actually a cow flying and dropping cow patties that magic mushrooms sprang from should be in a myth somewhere.
So what is the Croatian name for Odin/Woden? In Czech we have Svarog, Veles, Radhost, but I'm not aware of anything that sounds like Odin.
@@SunRabbit They used to say Odin had no counterpart in the rest of Indo-European myth.
@@hermanhale9258 Sounds about right.
@@SunRabbit Germans live in Croatia too. They are a minority with their own elected representative. I think they're called Danubian Swabians. I probably should have said Wotan rather than the Anglo-Saxon Woden.😄
I have always wondered why all magical related stories or movies give so much power to just writting out things. I finally have a primordial context for the power in words and writting. Thank you.
Even today, our primary method of understanding the world is the scientific process, where documentation is absolutely critical and the main thing that elevates it above any other experimentation
words are a lens to focus our intent with. ime, it is focused intent that is the driving force behind "magik".
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Writing ('spelling') was magical to the illiterate.
It was perhaps more than just "writing and spelling", for, even the illiterate could understand that the literate were "reading", and taking the magic of meaning from the runes and communicating it to an audience of potentially dozens. It was the transference of meaning that the letters allowed, that even an illiterate person could have identified - that is to say, the way crecganford puts it, is that the magic is only in the letters if the person reading them has taken the magic of understanding into themselves @@thekaxmax
and don't forget the magic potions
My friend is a lecturer on philosophy of mind and metaphysics at Exeter University. This is right up his alley...
Henbane has been used in beer brewing. The gardens where henbane was grown were dedicated to Wotan/Odin. The german name for Henbane is Bilsenkraut, which is why we still have the beer Pilsner... Mead made with Henbane, or perhaps even with its much more potent sister Belladonna Atropa, is in my mind a much more likely candidate for the Mead of Poetry than mushrooms.
Thank you for a wonderful TH-cam channel!
And thank you for watching and taking the time to comment, it is appreciated.
henbane has scopalomine in it
Pilsner Beer comes from the Czech Town of Plzen, they were the first to make a "Blond" beer, everywhere else all the beers had been "dark" in colour.
Nightshades result in an unpleasant, confused and delirious state.
I think some psychedelic is much more likely.
Pilsner lovely beer
All of this creating people with spit makes me think of oral swabs and the fun and frightening things we are learning to do with DNA.
Great lecture.
The runes having no power without mead makes me think of chaos magic...
Indeed, I hope that makes sense.
34:10 Psilocybe cubensis (formerly Stropharia cubensis;) does love dung, sometimes grows directly on it. It can be found in warm countries around the world. Shown in the picture is Psilocybe semilanceata, often called "liberty caps". These generally don't grow directly on dung, but in the grass of pastures. I think they are the most likely candidate in european cultures north of the alps.
To all the dealers thinking this is a good place to advertise: I'll keep reporting every single one of you.
They grow on wood chip, called wavy caps in the u.k
@@strophariusmusic Why?
@@andrewcanady6644 Because a remark or even a discussion is not a place for advertising. I perceive "get drugs here" messages as spam - especially since yt relays them to me as notifications, because they're in reply to my comment. Also their authors are probably feds trying to get unsuspecting curious minds to commit actual felonies.
@@strophariusmusic Copy that.
One magic mushroom that Scandinavian shamans were known to use up to recent times is Fly Agaric (the red and white variety). It still appears sometimes on Christmas cards, which would be otherwise odd, because they don't appear that time of the year.
Yet almost nobody knows or talks about it in today's Scandinavian societies. Except the myth that vikings ate it and went berserk, which I highly doubt. It was obviously very important to our ancestors. StoneAgeMan has a good video on it.
Real fun rabbit hole you've just spotted.
The fly algeric mushroom produces a very similar "high" to the more common psylosibin mushrooms, but using completely different compounds (ibotenic acid and muscimol) that work on completely different receptors than psylosibin. It's almost like the mushrooms know what they want to show us and it doesn't matter what methods they have to use to show us.
Why due think Santa's red and white, prezzies round the tree, and he's Raindeer can FLY. Resurrects in 3 day's aswell, Cures the sick and is lovely for turning Grape into " WINE ".
Amanita Muscaria was eaten by the raindeers, the Shamans drink the urine, the tribesmen drank the Shamans, shite rolls downhill.
I‘m glad you named the elephant in the room. Since I found your channel with every single video I thought there where surely some psychedelic experiences included but you never hit this topic.
I thought this was a pity but on the other side I understood because it is a hard topic if you want to be a reliable scholar. All the more I’m happy you did it and I think you did a great job.
As I mentioned in one of my earlier comments I could imagine that there’s a connection between the use of psychedelics and the earliest snake and serpent myths. I have no personal experience with ayahuasca but it’s said that there are often visions including a snake-like being. Perhaps other psychedelics do this too.
In the Peruvian jungle there is a fermented drink called Masato that is made by the communal chewing and spitting of yucca (a root kind of like a potato) into a bowl that is then fermented with other stuff for a couple of days
In Bolivia, old women chew corn (maize) and spit into a bowl for it to ferment into "chicha". I know because I was tricked into drinking it.
Masato is what Timothy Albariño drank aT a welcoming ceremony into a Peru village recently
I have always wondered why milk & honey is referenced so often in the biblical texts. It is used for baby food, to reference a special land & I think as a drink given. It makes more sense if a tradition existed prior to the Abrahamic writing and possibly contemporary to.
Very nice work here. I truly enjoy discovering here ✌️💗🤘
Thank you so much for that comment.
Well done
Neither milk nor honey spoiled across the history of human civilization... modern milk does... that nugget of discontinuity between then and now is just one.
@@slthbob Where did you get the idea milk didn’t spoil?
from the raw milk I have in my fridge right now silly... it turns to buttermilk and cheese... you have only experienced the modern world of opulence and opportunity my friend... where if milk gets chunky it is bad @@kariannecrysler640
It's been decades for me, but I do recall a definite sense of expanded consciousness. Not hippy-trippy stuff, but certainly a different perspictive of things.
Hey Jon, I found your channel recently and have been binging your videos non-stop. I've learned so much and just cannot get enough! The topics you cover are wonderfully fascinating. I feel incredibly privileged to live in a time when information sharing is this easy and even more so to find people such as yourself and the content you make.
I'm an academic myself, though in an entirely unrelated field (molecular genetics of disease), and I hugely appreciate the openness and integrity with which you approach teaching. Please, please, please keep the content coming!
p.s. please also keep reminding us to like your videos. I always forget to do so until you mention it!
Thank you, and I do keep forgetting to say “Like”, and so will endeavour to correct this.
@@Crecganford
🌎: " 🙂 "
I enjoy my mushrooms made into a tea. A gram or 2 or 3 of dry fungi in a blender with a cup of teas worth of hot water and a squeeze of half a lemon. Blend and seep for a couple minutes. Filter through mesh strainer. Add honey and milk to taste. Thats my recipe for ambrosia
**Referring to gourmet fungi.**
I wonder if the "Honey" in the honey mead could be the actual ingredient, as I recall, bees that feed from the rhododendrons tend to produce what is called Mad Honey that has a strong psychedelic effect on those who drink it. Perhaps there was another plant like the rhododendron that also gave the honey in those days the same or maybe even more potent effect? Could be a different plant per region yet all having the same effect.
Oleander Honey
You can be bedridden or even die from it. Mithridates used that to his advantage against the Romans. Butting honeybees along roads with rhododendrons to ensure that their honey would be toxic at that time of the year when the Roman soldiers passed by and collected it. The ill soldiers where subsequently eliminated.
There are stories of Himalayan Mad honey - you might look into it. Please don’t try oleander honey tho - wouldn’t want you to die.
Rhododendrons aren’t native to Europe.
very unlikely, whereas we know mushroom honey has been a thing for a very long time
I have those same Folio Society editions in the background! (Egyptians, Hittites, Babylonians, Assyrians etc). Beautiful books.
Yes, they are, I love books, but Folio Society books, they are at a different level.
I got my name from a book my older brother gave me called “Brave New World” I was starting high school, at the time I didn’t know the full impact it would have on my life but I’m thankful I read that book. - SOMA
You should read "the Doors of perception" by the same author - Aldous Huxley, it is one of the first great book about psychedelics in western culture also band "the doors" took their name from the title
@@arturhashmi6281 thanks for the suggestion!
Every time I have a question you answer it. Sometimes before I know what I'm asking. You are an absolute legend. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@Crecganford so Wonderful to Listen to Your Voice! There are those who have a wealth of information to share yet lack a voice from which such stories flow. Thankful for This!!!💜🖤💫
I've heard many trip reports about psychedelics like the Psilocybin mushrooms and their health benefits, I also heard it helps one get through addiction and depression. I'm just wondering where or how I can get my hands on them cause I'll love to give it a try, I'm passing through a state of terrible depression lately
Once I took shrooms on accident they were in a chocolate bar and my fat ass thought it was regular chocolate
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Ships psychedelics
@@userconspiracynuthow can I reach out??
Is it Instagram?
Yeah, he has variety of stuffs like mushrooms, LSD, DMT, MDMA, even the chocolate bars
The picture you displayed of The P. Cubensis is a Liberty cap. Liberty caps don't grown out of dung unlike Cubes.
Very interesting discussion!
Good on ya for covering this
I knew a little about the importance of Mead, I heard the Honeymoon/ Mead relationship and the Norse Mead, the drink of Gods and Giants.
Listening to you, I always learn something new!!!!
There is a very strong case to be made that the psycoactive ingredience could have been a plant of several of the Solanaceae, aka Nighshade, family. A case just as strong if not even stonger then the case of Psilocybin.
This "nightshade case" can also be connected to Rig Veda and later hindu rituals where the practioner asks for forgivness for loosing the Soma recepie. It can also be traced in Avesta, Through greek drug use and ritual practices (however not Demeter but within the Dionysus cult). You can continue tracing this through archelogical findings all over europe, greek texts, herblore and folklore - even medival recepie of beer. It has even held a significant and well documented place within historical medicine in the ancient world (Greek, Roman and Arab medical authors all knew the plants well).
Based on descriptions of the user under the influence, archelogical findings and mentions in seversl different historic texts as well as research into the active compounds and various interesting "coincidenses", I would suggest that the actual drink was not made up of one single ingredience, as it so often is presented, but rather a mix of several in an effort to counter-out some quite nasty side effects. One such compound could possibly perhaps maybe have been a source of ephedrine for example.
So even though I agree with the "framework" presented I do not automatically draw the same conclusion of psilocybin mushrooms as this video does. And although it is a great video I wished alternative theories were presented as well, or at least a stronger case were made for psilocybin as the single psycoactive component.
Wow. Just this morning, I was looking up whether anyone makes and sells mead these days. Turns out my own state, Michigan, is a leader in the production of the ancient drink. I can't wait to try one as simple as the original.
Mead can be so many different things. From disgustingly sweet "cider" to extremely dry "wine" to just like a beer. Congratulations, you've just discovered a new category of alcoholic beverages with an ABV of 3.5 to well over 20 :)
Absolutely wonderful story teller!! Outstanding engagement, charming and warm
Thank you.
Totally unrelated to the subject, I really enjoy your voice, accent and delivery. They remind me of the voice of an author whose books I have been enjoying in audio format lately which are read by the author. His name is Robert Rankin. I hope this does not offend you. I really enjoy his voice, his stories and his delivery. I listen while my hands are otherwise occupied. He makes me laugh, and, by association, your voice makes me smile. I hope you are not blood enemies.
I love Robert Rankin's books, a good balance between Douglas Adams and Terry Pratchett, I'm looking forward to his new book which should be out any day now!
Thanks Jon. Cant wait to watch this later mate
Great video! Recently found you channel, and I have really enjoyed it so far. Such a breath of fresh air! Thank you!
Thank you so much!
Awesome topic! Looking forward to watch it later.
Great video. Thanks for the work you did to provide this.
And thank you for watching it.
Maybe it's just me, but i feel there is some synchronicity in this video being presented to us at this time of year.
Wonderful story; tough time to be alive :)
Thanks for all the wonderful information!
Good to see you again! 😊
When I discovered the pyramid mound and learned about the painted faces on rocks, I began to see the mushrooms and the mammoth, and was compelled to try magic mushrooms to see if it has anything to do with ancient art. The Mammoth Effigy’s are also mushrooms, because the Pooh of those giant mammals created those mushrooms. It 100% has to deal with our consciousness and Stone Art.
Amazing video as always. I'm a Biology grad student in India and I am almost certain that the drink did not contain Ergot as a significant active ingredient.
While Ergot produces compounds that can be used to make El Es Dee (:(TH-cam censorship) it itself is not psychoactive in a similar fashion , much like potatoes don't get you drunk like V0dka.
Although some ergot would have definitely ended up in it if they used grains in the fermentation, it wasn't a major ingredient IMO
Amanatia Muscaria, Psil0cybin mushrooms and cannab!$ or some combination sounds more like likely.
Another good one. Thank you
The Mead of Poetry is in my unschooled opinion a sweet tea drawn from the wood chips of the Sassafras tree ... spiked with "Sally".
"Sally" is pressed from the Sassafras tree/ leaves as an oil. Native Americans draw a tea from Sassafras woodchips. They call this sweet tea "Kvfi". AKVA-Við. Brew of Vision.
Look into it Jon. I have a little kicker for you ... Sassafras comes in red and white variations ;)
Thank You . That was Awesome!❤
Incredible the etymology of madhu, thanks for another great video.
Good video, thanks man
nice work,thx mate.
Very interesting subject to talk about. 😊 always a pleasure to watch your videos brother.
Thank you
"Spit" is one of the Ultraconserved Words in Euroasiatic (which you've covered before and pointed out "worm/wyrm").
If you're going with Dionysus = Jesus, then it's interesting his death/rebirth sequence starts in Gethsemane, which means "olive press."
Fascinating - thank you.
Happy to find you!
Thanks 😊 enjoyed your video Sir ❤️😌.
Looooove a great story. So glad I found you. Subscribed already 😁. Going directly to next story title catching my fancy love to you, and the comment section family, from Texas ❣️🤠😎
Thank you for your kind words.
Always one of my favorite topics 🙏
Simply fascinating!!
I'll just say a few things about Sarcostemmas. There are a number of species spread over a rather larger area than the one mentioned here. They have leafless, snake-like stems, 5 petaled flowers that look like stars, well the way stars are commonly depicted, including on the ceilings of Egyptian tombs. Their seed pods look like pairs of horns. To confuse matters they've now been included in the genus Cynanchum, based on DNA evidence. They belong to the Apocynaceae (dogbane) family (a lot of older books put them in the Asclepiadaceae which is now included in the Apocynaceae). Many of this family also have snake-like stems, star-like flowers and horn-like seed pods. This family includes the genus Pseudolithos, which is endemic to north-east Africa and bare a suspicious resemblence to Cushite pyramids.
Always nice to hear real facts that arent misguided. One of my favorite channels 😊
Thank you for your kind words, I do my best to keep it all unbiased and academic.
Just a note that I really enjoy your well researched video. Thank you. 2:15
Thank you for taking the time to let me know, it is appreciated.
Well done. A scholarly presentation on a somewhat sensitive subject handled with rational expertise.
Thank you much
Kvass now is made from a fermented grainsoup. You find this in most (nord?) Slavic countries ; Very refreshing
Well timed ma dude .
The difficulty of attempting to transfer the wisdom of these hallucinogens in modern times is the lack of societal cohesion and context around it. Sure it can be pursued individually but interpretation of the experience, the actual wisdom supposedly being sought, is pretty random and not necessarily useful in a broader social sense. It runs the risk of adding to a user's sense of separation, the very thing that helps drive a search for that wisdom in the first place. Even for those who experience an immediate feeling of kinship with others from the hallucinogenic trip, it's still deeply individualistic.
This.
Really interesting, thank you.
Thank you for watching.
From the 'glacier blood' reference you made, I was reminded of red bacteria in glaciers. I have just looked into it. 'Sphingobacteria' is one of the aerobic bacteria found in these glaciers and, I just found, it is also one of the key flavour profilers in a Chinese wine called 'Huanjiu'!
Well I have learnt something new today, thank you!
Mead! I just had some mead recently, but not with shrooms. 😅 And i enjoyed my cuppa coffee while listening.
Always enjoy your intellectual, aural libations and insights into the shared human history, anthropology, and religious beliefs.
Thank you!
The intoxication of poetry, magic spell invocation, the Channeling of Spirits. Mead is sweet like the poets song.
My favorite video so far. 🤔👍
Fascinating stuff!
Thank you.
So all my friends really are justified in saying I drop a lot of wisdom and deepities when drunk. 😂
Very well done video. I think I'll sub and look at your other videos. I think I'll be happily entertained if they are of this well done writing and research.
On the thought concerning magic, poetry, and mead, I spent a few decades consuming awareness altering, concoctions while associating an almost religious, maybe I could even say it was religious, at least in the sense that this music, and these lyrics that I filled my reality with while taking my '20th century mead', was done in a very regular and faithful manner. It was no doubt spiritual. During those decades, I would go to certain places, at specific times of the year, and I would meet with, celebrate, and share with the same large group of people, all surrounding, and delighting in the same rhythms, stories, songs, artists. We rejoiced in, and shared our spiritual experiences together. Most of us would only ever meet either at the gatherings, and celebrations, or find each other on our 'pilgrimage' to those important places. Many of us would hitchhike, or find other alternative methods of travel, on our way to gather and share. For many of us, it could have been considered pilgrimages to the fire & drums that would burn and beat for days on end.
What I am finding interesting at this moment, is that the magic did not stay at the place of gathering. It came with us. It's still with me today. A decade now, since I have found myself consuming our 'mead', but when I hear those rhythms, songs, or I think about those other-worldly experiences, if I sing or strum those melodies, the magic still fills me. Many of us found something primal and so human, this spiritual place that we shared. I believe these are places that we have been finding and celebrating, since possibly before we were Homo Sapiens.
Yesterday I was thinking about Soma, and now I see this video! Thank you ..
But..
I really like Terence McKenna, but I think it was a challenging and stimulating line-up
I came here to mention McKenna's "Food of the Gods". Glad to see his name already here.
@@AGoldschmidt McKenna is great, but I believe that Soma contained ephedra and opiates. Also, most likely cannabis with milk. They achieved the ayahuasca effect, when different components complement each other
🤔 This is pretty interesting. Although how it could be lost is pretty understandable. I’ve worked tech support. Even with written instructions, people can still bungle things very badly. The staff sounds like it could be quite hard to make. In preliterate societies it must’ve been quite difficult.
This is the second of your videos that I have watched and mostly completely enjoyed, I'm even considering subscribing I rarely do, please provide more citation on the origins of the myth concerning the Eucharist of Christ being psychedelic... As always citations are appreciated in scholarly presentations. Many thanks to you and your team,
almost persuaded 38:23
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Wonderful. Thank you. ✌️❤️💪
Kvas is a Rusian drink, called - brew. Also, Mead: there is a brewed drink, other, than kvas, called - Meadovuha. It's a brewed honey, i.e. in Rusian, you can call it: Kvashenaya Meadovuha (Kvased Mead => Brewed Honey).
The Runes (the Futhark) were common to all the Germanic peoples, going back to Gothic, Old English, and very Old Norse (the Elder Futhark of 24 runes was abandoned for the 16 runes of the Younger Futhark about AD 850, for some damn reason).
Also “Odin” is a simple Norse version of proto-Germanic *Wodenaz, with the initial W in front of the “right” sort of vowel being swallowed in the North Germanic tongues, and the “az” shifting to “ar”, then being dropped.
I am very much aware of all this, and have a great video on where Odin's name probably came from, going back before Wōđanaz.
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What I find interesting is the similarity between descriptions of near death experience and mushroom trips and other similar hallucinogens.
same part of the brain activated. There's good evidence that near death experiences are entirely hallucinations, which backs this up.
i don’t know why, but i felt like clapping when you finished. :) 🌷🌱
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The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross is a very interesting dive down this type of rabbit hole.
Yes I referenced that book today also.
I read it when I was too young to properly understand it. I wish I still had the book.
@@kellydalstok8900 I think it is online.
Hmmm...as I'm watching this I'm listening to the bubbling of the Pinot Noir grape mead - so called pyment, fermenting in the background.
Might just call it Kvasir's Blood.
I've made Dansk Mjød's Viking Blod clone numerous times as well as their Odin's Skull.
Cheers from Denmark! 🍷🍷
Fascinating!
Thank you.
I came to realize that Odin means "one" in most Slavic languages. When the Christianity came to Bohemia, of course the priests had to use the words for gods existing before; so surely they first took the name for god for them and then they discredited the previous ones. So, strangely, in our translation of Bible God is also called "Hospodin". The first part of the word is close to "hospitality", but rather meaning a manager in the sense of (I think in Greek it is "economou", referring to the caretaking rather than power). Soundwise also close to English "husband" in the sense of the guy who cares about the house, fields and property. The second part of the word strangely says "Odin" - but we have to remember that it might also mean rather "God Odin", meaning One God.
So that's an interesting point about rhythm and memory. Music can be so easy to remember that we can't get rid of it. Did know about Victor Grauer's work tracing musical genealogies from ancient Africa, Bush men and such, onwards through time?
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Just starting the video but i hope you talk about or know about Ayahuasca rituals in south america, the fact that they even developed the substance is a testament to psychedelics importance to spirituality
This is more about the Indo European culture, which is my specialism. Although a friend of mine wants to take me to S.America to try it.
Well, I enjoyed the video, and i hope you enjoy your trip to S.America if you take it!
@@Crecganford, a guy I used to work with said his son had some pretty serious emotional troubles and went to S. America for the whole treatment. He told me that it definitely helped his son.
That's certainly not an endorsement from me or 'proof' that it works for everyone but sometimes anecdotal evidence is still a form of evidence, right? Even if it is some pretty weak evidence it's still something.
Personally I've never tried any kind of hallucinogen and I'm closing in on 60. I can't say that I've ever felt a need to try one. I've already had some pretty bizarre experiences without any mind-altering substances in my life! I'm pretty convinced that there is still far more that we, as a species, don't even know we don't know than we know. Who knows what the Truth really is? I sure as hell don't.
Honestly, at this point, if someone offered me a chance to try ayahuasca, I'd be all over it. But I'm already old, have diabetes and a few other problems, and don't have much to lose. When you're younger you have a lot more possibility of loss. That seems a bit unfair to me since you're also less experienced and less able to make judgements about potentially dangerous choices.
When I was still pretty young, an old guy said to me, "Youth is wasted on the young!" I replied, "And wealth is wasted on the old." He stopped, looked thoughtful, and replied, "I suppose that's true." Wealth provides security from a lot of troubles. Wealth allows you to make mistakes and recover from them. That's a pretty big problem in the world these days.
@@Crecganfordthe sweet honey wine of the gods it is not! It opened my eyes to a lot of things but it's definitely not a tasty drink. I really do recommend a long stay to get multiple sessions in with time to reflect and recoup.
Although I was a lot younger when I went. I had to build myself to the third time. It's almost been 10 years and I'm thinking about it again.
I believe a form of ayahuasca was know to Indo-Germanic culture. It can be made from Acacia and Syrian Rue (which is a mao-inhibitor). In the iconography of the mysteries like those of Eulusis, Acacia is very prominent. As well as the lilly. The flower of Syrian Rue looks like a lilly.
They form a very bitter drink, which is mentioned in various ancient texts related to the mysteries.
Even today people add honey to it to mask its horrible taste.
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Oh how delightful!!
...my aunt drinks Courvoisier cognac "to calm my nerves"...So this all makes lots of sense to me now!
You are very interesting !!
Thank you.
A few years ago I I came to the conclusion that writing made our ability to memorize information redundant and the world has been screwed ever since.
Without strong memories we're forced to use faith and more than necessary, we end up relying on others for accurate information instead of ourselves with our weak pathetic memories.
this sounds like the debate that was had when Thoth considered teaching mankind the secrets of the emerald tablet, such as new forms of reading and writing
one of the gods said exactly this
that writing will make us forget, outsourcing our memory to those who can control and change it for their own purposes
Watching this while smoking weed was like having a magic reunion with a wizard or something. Trully amazing!
The fact that it is so consistently associated with a honey beverage suggests to me that it is not the psilocybin we know today, but a different species, though probably related. Something that would not have its full effect if not prepared in this way, or perhaps even something small in size that grows within the honey itself.
I'd say the mead is for flavour; a lot of psychoactives are rather bitter.
Years ago, in my pagan days, I worked with Mother Amanita in ritual several times. Very different than the traditional hallucinogenic fungi. Set and setting, as well as intent meant everything. Was it fun? Nope, not a bit. But I sure did learn things.
There is also the importance attched to mead by monastic orders, both in the UK, and widespread across Europe.